RE-VAMPED with Juliet Landau
RE-VAMPED with Juliet Landau is the First BUFFY Podcast with a cast member as your guide!
Buffy’s posse was called the Scooby Gang. Juliet’s character Drusilla was also known as Dru. RE-VAMPED co-hosts include “Scooby Dru” with her extremely, singular POV and hijinks, “Sire Rebecca” and “Watcher Dev.”
RE-VAMPED is rife with never-heard-before behind-the-scenes tales, the definitive in-depth interviews with cast & crew, sequential rewatches, what’s new in the BUFFY-verse, the ultimate fan interactions and showcasing NEW content with the beloved characters.
Filled with belly laughs and poignant emotion, listeners rollick, probe and reflect. RE-VAMPED With Juliet Landau takes the idea of the traditional podcast and evolves it! It’s not only like hanging out with your best friends, but Juliet’s producing what people think of for a weekly TV show or radio show. The team are doing this within the podcast genre.
RE-VAMPED with Juliet Landau
Rewatch: Never Kill a Boy on the First Date
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Juliet, Scooby Chris, and Scooby Frank explore Buffy and Owen’s first rendezvous. They delve into the themes of jealousy and dating explored in Never Kill a Boy on The First Date. There’s an appearance from Drusilla as well as the fun “missing scene” that could have been in Never Kill a Boy on the First Date. Meet our next two competitors for the ultimate Buffy Trivia match, “The Battle of The Uber-Buffy-Fans.” If you want to be considered as a contender for “Battle,” please email slayinitpodcast@gmail.com with the info described in the episode.
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Guest Starring and Balancing Acts
Speaker 1I was so nice being with Spikey for 123 years . No dating , none of that , getting to know you , no jealousy . That is until that cheerleader came along , but I'm getting ahead of myself . Until that cheerleader came along , but I'm getting ahead of myself .
Speaker 2Let's see what Buffy and Owen get up to at the morgue . Owen seems like a nice boy , lovely and morbid .
Speaker 1Ooh , morbid , Ooh morgues who sermons Reminds me of my days in the convent .
Speaker 2Hmm .
Speaker 1Hello , hello , I'm Juliet . Psst , we're going to sleep , want to come ?
Speaker 4And we're back .
Speaker 1We are back . Woo . So have you guys ever guest starred on a series ?
Speaker 5A real one .
Speaker 4Not in my imagination . Wait , have I shown up in a TV series ? I've been in music videos , but go ahead . I'm sure you have guest starred videos . But go ahead , I'm sure you have guest starred .
Speaker 1When you're guest starring on a show , you come in for one episode with a role that usually drives the plot and you often get the script one week in advance , and that is the most .
Speaker 1It's often less , and we were talking with Musetta about this , who was last week's guest star . This week's episode the guest star is Christopher Wheel , who plays Owen , and the thing about that is you have to develop the whole character , learn the dialogue , do all your prep within that small window of time , and when it's a large guest star it can seem really really quick . I personally like to know the whole arc backwards and forwards before we even shoot my first scene . It depends if you can know it like the back of your hand , so to speak , with how much time that you're given , and now the turnaround is even faster . Audition times are getting really , really quick . You'll have 12 pages of exposition and they want you to know it by the next day , and even getting offers . You'll get offers with much less time .
Speaker 1When we were shooting Buffy at the beginning of season two , the cast got the scripts a week in advance , and so we would have table reads with the whole cast . But then , as the workload got backed up , it got tighter and tighter , and there were scenes like the confessional scene that Drusilla has with Angelus , which was essentially a very long monologue for Drusilla . I got that the night before and it was tricky because not only was it a lot of dialogue , but it was Drusilla before she was a vampire . It was the first time you were seeing that . It's the first time establishing that in the show and so wanting to figure out exactly what she's like before the transition and all of that really had such a short , short time to do that . But obviously we'll talk about that more later when we get to becoming part one .
Speaker 4Is that a thing that the audition times and the times between guest starring are getting shorter ? Because I could say that I have a lot of friends . I have a friend who books a lot of TV and like , yeah , he'll get stuff like on average , like two days before now or like three days .
Speaker 1And it's like it's accelerated you know , uh , james gandolfini , there came a point where he just said he couldn't cope with the amount of copious changes that there were to scenes because they were handing him pages right in front of shooting and with changes . And there was a certain point where he said I , I'm not going to do that anymore . I'm sort of killing myself trying and I'm not giving my best performance because I'm just focusing on what is going to be coming out of my mouth instead of really figuring out what Tony Soprano would be doing here . And so he changed that dynamic that was happening , because it was getting literally right in front of a scene . He was a whole new dialogue .
Speaker 4It's like balancing plates in your head .
Speaker 1And when it's like somebody just throws something else at you , it's like now it's all going to fall down . Now I got to start from scratch .
Speaker 5That's rough . Chris , do you want to give us a synopsis of this episode ? Oh , I sure do With vigor .
Speaker 5he said that Season one , episode five never kill a boy . On the first date , Buffy attempts to balance her slayer duties with her desire for a normal teenage life by going on a date with Owen , a charming and equally as brooding as Angel student . Meanwhile , Giles uncovers a prophecy about the Anointed One , a powerful vampire who will aid the Master . Buffy's date takes a dangerous turn when they encounter vampires at the Sunnydale funeral home , and Buffy ultimately saves Owen but realizes that her responsibilities as the Slayer will always complicate her personal life .
Speaker 1This episode is directed by David Semel , who I worked with on what's my Line , part 2 . And David directed a lot of Buffy and Angel episodes . He also directed 11 episodes of Beverly Hills 90210 . So he may have been at Torrance High , the same location as Sunnydale High , for that , because that was used in Beverly Hills 90210 . And I actually read for a pilot that was with David Tennant . What it never aired , which David Semel directed , and it was produced by Gail Berman , who produced Buffy , and it was a show called Rex is Not my Lawyer , I remember that I remember reading about that in the trades because this was around the time when I was watching Doctor who a lot .
Speaker 1Yes , yeah , because they actually did a lot of press on it and the pilot didn't air , but David did direct the pilot of it .
Speaker 5Now , I've never heard of this , but in my headcanon , just from the name alone , it's about a dinosaur lawyer .
Speaker 2Oh yes , and that's a show I need to see , the kid's show , yeah .
Speaker 4A skateboarding dinosaur lawyer show . Well , there's a movie about a dinosaur cop . I can't remember the name of it . Julia , would you remember the name of this movie ? Theodore Rex , a movie I did with Whoopi Goldberg .
Speaker 1At the time it was like the first $35 million movie , which was a big budget at that time . Now it isn't . That went straight to video .
Speaker 2The future's toughest cop is Katie Coltrane . I'm back and now she's getting a new partner . His name is .
Speaker 5Teddy . It's a dinosaur . Theodore Rex .
Speaker 1The first day that I was on set , I was working with Armin Muellestahl and we were the baddies who had developed this super race of these dinosaurs that are here now In our scene . We're supposed to look really proud and the two of us , we saw them for the first time and our mouths dropped and the director , jonathan , was like God , no , you're supposed to look in awe . And we said , oh , we know that . But they just , yeah , it was not , you know , can I ?
Speaker 4ask when you're acting against an animatronic , how creepy is it is when the servos are released , when they call cut and it does this face . I know people can't see this . It's like it's doing this and then it is creepy . It does that right Cause it's just like they release and cut it just makes you surprised out of it .
Speaker 1I sometimes do that too , but in this episode Buffy is trying to have a normal life and she's trying to find balance
Behind the Scenes of Buffy Lighting
Speaker 1. When we open up in the part of the master's lair , the master's lair has such beautiful production design . It's amazingly lit for a TV budget . I think it's truly stunning . Lighting by Michael Gershman Shunning . Lighting by Michael Gershman . Greeny said that whenever they were trying to rush Michael on shoot days , michael would say we're making a movie here . And it's true . You know , indies and TV are shot in less days than big films and some of that is the lighting setup time . For Ed Wood , for instance , we shot half a day to three quarters of a day was just for one scene . Commercials , especially back in the day , were really like that and can take hours and hours to light music videos at that same time period . We are friends with Pascal Lebec , who did Madonna's Vogue video , among a lot of others . He shot that video and he did all those old school Pantene commercials .
Speaker 1And some of those lighting setups would literally be six hours of light , and some of those lighting setups would literally be six hours of light .
Speaker 4Wow , commercial lighting setups . They take forever , because I've worked on a lot of commercials . Yeah , they'll spend all day crafting the lighting for that . You said earlier in another episode probably the first episode that you're going for eight pages a day , which I know a lot of people don't know . That's ambitious , that's a lot . That's a lot of pages , I'm sure . Like on Ed Wood , what is it like ? Two to three pages a day , maybe ?
Speaker 1Yeah , maybe , yeah for sure , it was very luxurious in terms of the amount of takes and stuff that Tim likes to do . It's almost like a rehearsal process on film , which is obviously very different than when you're shooting a television series like Buffy , which also has a lot of action sequences which take time to shoot because you have to shoot multiple angles . Dev had a funny story about he was on a commercial shoot that he was assisting the photographer , matthew Ralston at the time , and it was Nastassja Kinski . They took six hours of lighting , the whole six hours hours . She was in the makeup and hair trailer and they were just getting everything exactly the way , what they wanted it and just makeup and hair and this and that you know and they brought Nastassia on set is six hours from the call time when she sat in the makeup chair and then they were still tweaking lighting and all of a sudden looking like a , like a goddess perfect , they almost have everything they want , except they're still going .
Speaker 1Oh , maybe , if we do this with the light and that with the light , she got so impatient that she literally all of a sudden went and put her hands through her hair and all over her face and just messed it up completely and the entire crew was standing there with their mouths agape , like the expression you were showing with the T-Rex the animatronic gape . Nobody could believe it and they had to start over and get her back to being camera ready . But Michael Gershman would use all kinds of lighting techniques , including sometimes these very large china balls . Sometimes they would even be almost the size of kind of like a big hot air balloon . They're just ginormous and they would bounce light in such a gorgeous way .
Speaker 4China balls are . If you don't have a lot of money , china balls are a lot of time . China balls are your best friends . A nice soft , even cast it gives you .
Speaker 1So in the episode we meet Owen Thurman and Buffy is just smitten . So Emily Dickens , huh , she's great . Dickinson . She's good also . We've never really seen Buffy before trying to please anyone , don't you guys think ?
Speaker 4that's true . We haven't seen the side of her up to this point .
Speaker 5You see it a little bit in her interactions with Angel . You can tell she has a thing for Angel . So far the crush . But it's a little bit .
Speaker 1Almost it's a more simmering chemistry that's more adult in a way than like she's really got a teenage crush .
Speaker 5This is , yeah , a teenage and it's also , you know , it's interesting too , because you know thinking back to high school and , yeah , like she has a crush on Angel . But now this new brooding , handsome man just walks in . It's like , oh , this , is it really ? Encapsulates , like finding romance and just trying to find yourself yeah , yeah , and also your .
Speaker 1You know that sort of your heart being a flutter and how dramatic that all is and how titillating .
Speaker 5It all is and how quickly it'll change .
Speaker 1And it's like oh , hey , oh , I like this . And owen was actually named chambers in the original script . Christopher wheel , who plays Owen . His father was an FBI agent . And he's isn't that wild , and he is actually the younger brother of Fox News Channel legal analyst , lise Wheel . She's a lawyer and an author , so I didn't know if you guys knew any of that .
Speaker 4That's wild , so I didn't know if you guys knew any of that ?
Speaker 1That's wild . Yeah , do you guys know why he says Soylent Green about the food ? Do ?
Speaker 2you guys know that reference . Listen that's , a big Soylent Green is made out of people . Listen to me , hatcher , you gotta tell them .
Speaker 5Soylent . Green is people , so for those listening ?
Speaker 1that don't . It's the 1973 dystopian Charlton Heston film by that name . Do you guys know the name of the book that the film is loosely based on ?
Speaker 4I've never read the book . I've seen the movie a bunch because I was on a weird Charlton Heston . Charlton Heston was kicking dystopian futures ass at one point . It was him at Planet of the Apes , Soylent Green and , of course , the Omega man . He cornered that little niche for a little while .
Speaker 1It's a 1966 science fiction novel called Make Room , Make Room , with an exclamation point after each Make Room . I think the title that they chose was better for the film .
Speaker 4Yeah , it rolls off the tongue a lot better .
Speaker 1Although it reminds me a little bit of Move , make Room , make Room .
Speaker 4I think that was Edward G Robbins' final role in that movie .
Speaker 1Oh , really so . Do you guys know ? Who is the band at the bronze this time ? Do you guys know ?
Speaker 4I looked it up but I forgot . Is it Southern Green ?
Speaker 5That was a band .
Speaker 1It is Velvet Chain and they play Treason and Strong . Strong was also included on Buffy the Vampire Slayer , the album Velvet Chain were such big fans of the show that in 1999 , they released the Buffy EP , which included their take on a theme song called Buffy . She's the Slayer . Seth Green , who played Oz , played the guitar on that track . Wow , isn't that awesome . And the uncredited band member , erica Amato , sings strong at the bronze and she's featured a lot , but she is not credited in the episode . Didn't you guys think it's funny when Owen has that really cool antique watch and Xander has the silly Tweety Bird watch ?
Speaker 5Great , I love that that just gives Xander the reassurance that he needs . It's like , oh yeah , this man's in a different league than I am .
Speaker 1It's such a perfect way to just in one second sort of illustrate .
Speaker 5Yeah , illustrate the differences between both of those characters .
Speaker 1And then his feelings about it .
Speaker 5Right .
Speaker 1After throwing a minion across the room , the master says here endeth the lesson . Which is later spoken by Spike in Fool for Love and also by Buffy in Showtime , so that dialogue is used .
Speaker 4There's another callback line later on that comes up later .
Speaker 1In the episode .
Speaker 4In this episode .
Speaker 1yeah , Cool , I can't wait for you to tell me which one . Frank , was it fun for you to see Buffy's door , the entryway , the living room , when watching ?
Speaker 4you know the rewatch this time , as we were just there it really changed my whole perspective of it watching the show because I've been in those spaces . Now it's really wild to have been in there . It's like , oh my God , we're in the foyer , Like me , and you shot something there and it was just like wow , and I'll never not be surprised by how much smaller something is , Even though I've been there . It's like wow , it's not as big as you think . It's like wow , it's not a lot of space to like work in .
Speaker 1No , it's actually pretty tight . I wonder if this particular scene that when we're in that area , if it was one of those day for night shots that Gene , the owner of the house , discussed and we shared in Countdown Bonus , Episode 1 , you know where ? Basically they black out the windows and they light it inside so that it looks like it's night , so that they can shoot exterior shots which they have to shoot at night , and I wondered if this sequence was actually one of those .
Speaker 4Those were fun days . Just get as much muscling as you can and just start getting those windows .
Speaker 1I also think you know Xander is so jealous in this episode and that's really a theme that runs through the episode .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1I also Buffy references Clark Kent and she is having this struggle about how to balance a personal life and they , you know , introduce that in which the cheerleader episode , which we discussed already , that in which the cheerleader episode which we discussed already Buffy also says that she hasn't had a day off in a while and how cranky she is and how it makes you careless . And I think we all can relate to feeling like that when you're overworked and with your job , like , don't you think you get that sort of cranky , careless feeling that she's talking about ?
Speaker 4Oh yes .
Speaker 5Oh yes . Yeah , Literally as soon as I walk in the building .
Speaker 1It starts from then until you leave .
Speaker 5Yeah , it starts from then . Then , after I leave , you go ha you know what . This day wasn't so bad .
Speaker 4I was surly grip Like . Yeah , that was a surly grip on set . I played that role a few times in my life . The cranky I'm , the surly grip Like what is this shit Like when I just walk in ? Oh my God , who coiled this ?
Speaker 1But you didn't get careless , you just got cranky , a cranky , cranky . When we see Cordy on Buffy's date , cordy has that crimped hair which was so big in the 80s and 90s . I remember I had a crimper .
Speaker 4That brought me back when I see crimped hair in the wild and it's rare , it's very rare . It brings a warm feeling to my heart when I see crimped hair and like even in this , I was just like , oh , I miss crimped hair .
Speaker 1It's cool but it takes really long because you actually have to go piece by section by piece by section . But you know it takes really long to get your whole head crimped .
Speaker 4And it damages the shit out of your hair after a while .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's probably not the best thing for your hair , but also when the crimper was really big in the 80s , everybody's hair looked really dried out For some reason . It was like big and dry hair in the 80s .
Speaker 5Yeah , it was just straw .
Speaker 1It was . You look at some of the bands and everything . Why did we think that looked attractive ?
Speaker 5The hay head it was like hay , everyone just looked like a scarecrow just walking around .
Speaker 1We're at the bronze with Cordy and it could have been Harmony there but it's another actress . They don't have Harmony in this episode , and then Cordelia sees Angel and her line hello , salty goodness is repeated when she reverts back to her teenage persona and first sees Angel in Spin the Bottle .
Speaker 4That was the line I was going to mention .
Speaker 1Oh , I thought you maybe had another one .
Speaker 4No , that's the one .
Speaker 1I love those Easter eggs . How things track yeah , that's fun .
Speaker 4It's amazing . Stuff like that really puts a point on not just with Cordy but with all the characters how different they are from where we end with them , from where they are now . And that's what's always fun about re-watching the show is because they don't know how much they're going to change .
Speaker 1But it's all within the realm of their character arc . It's not jumping the sharks , just that they have great story arcs and changes and evolution and they're growing up , they're teenagers and they're evolving and exploring and discovering who they are .
Speaker 4Yeah , it's everything that happens informs how they change , but it all makes sense , like , contextually . It's just so wild , like with moments like that , where Cordy says that's like and where Cordy is , when she finally says that , it's like she is almost unrecognizable to the person she is in , unrecognizable to the person she is in these early episodes because she's so bitchy and a mean girl uh in in the early episodes yeah , she's just a full-on antagonist , like she's at this point .
Speaker 1Yeah the , the popular nightmare girl yeah jealousy is a big theme in this episode . Buffy's jealous of cordy misinterprets when Cordy and Owen are dancing . Xander is jealous of Owen . Cordy is jealous of Buffy when Buffy and Owen are dancing . Angel is jealous when he meets Owen and that is illustrated visually . When Buffy wants to bail to go and save Giles , angel is right in the background in between Buffy and Owen . It's such thematic staging . It visually tells the audience that there's jealousy and it also foreshadows that Angel will be coming more into play in that role in her life .
Speaker 4We still haven't gotten like where , like that hasn't happened yet , but they really are heavily letting you know like that's , that's where it's going
Dark Poetry and Polka Kings
Speaker 4.
Speaker 1With this . You know Buffy is already attracted . It is a male who lives with darkness . Owen says he loves Emily Dickinson because she's so morbid and he reads a lot about death and he's so jazzed about coming to the morgue with them . You know , and I remember like Emily Dickinson's poems I remember some of the titles are really like there's all but death can be adjusted Absence , disembodies . So does death Wait till the majesty of death ? I think there's one called Knock knock .
Speaker 4Who's there ? Death Right .
Speaker 1Exactly . It was clearly an obsession . And on her mind , I think , there's one called Said Death to Passion . There's another one called the Test of Love is Death , and then there's I Heard a Fly Buzz when I Died . And there's more . Those are just the ones I remember , because I kind of I remember part of . I Heard a Fly Buzz when I Died .
Speaker 5She's like the Polka King from Polka , polka , polka death , death , death .
Speaker 4She's the Polka King of morbid poetry .
Speaker 1What's the Polka King ?
Speaker 5From Home Alone . John Candy from Home Alone .
Speaker 1Oh , he was .
Speaker 5Every song was just Polka , polka , polka . I had a few hits a few years ago , that's why you know Polka Polka .
Speaker 2Polka , polka , polka , polka , polka , polka Polka no Twin Lakes . Polka Damavuji Polka , aka Kiss Me . Polka , polka Twist .
Speaker 1These are songs , yeah . So this is death , death , death , death , blues , yeah you know , death , death , death .
Speaker 5Well , I heard a fly buzz , I think it's . Let me see if I can remember this right ?
Speaker 1I think it's . I heard a fly buzz . I think it's . Let me see if I can remember this right . I think it's . I heard a fly buzz when I died . The stillness in the room was like the stillness in the air between the heaves of a storm . So that was a laugh a minute .
Speaker 5Yeah , that just doesn't fill you with dread , abject fear I'll sleep nice tonight .
Speaker 4After that . Like she showed that to her editor and her editor's like , Are you okay ?
Speaker 1Is everything okay . Do you want to go to talk to somebody ?
Speaker 4We don't have SSRIs yet , but I'll put you on the list for when they actually do start existing .
Speaker 1Should we unclench your hands that are clawing into whatever you're holding ? To me , owen physically looks like a hybrid of Spike , angel and Riley . Like physically I think he looks like kind of a hybrid , an amalgamation of them . He does .
Speaker 4She's got a type . She's got a type . He does kind of look Riley-ish .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know he's got sort of a mix of that .
Speaker 4Can we go back to like the bus ?
Speaker 1Yes , yes , let's go to the van please . Can we go back to like the bus ? Yes , yes , let's go to the van please . The bus , yeah , that was a very .
Speaker 4It was funny that was like an airport shuttle . That's what that bus was , cause it wasn't like a typical , like commuter bus .
Speaker 1No , it's more , and it's more like a van , isn't it ?
Speaker 4It's yeah , well , it's a . It's a shuttle Like you can actually see it flight . But that was you know . It's funny
Uncomfortable Dating and Jealousy Themes
Speaker 4. Everybody's all freaked out by the guy screaming , like you know biblical verse and at them it's like , yeah , that's a normal nyc commute yeah , it's a normal nyc commute .
Speaker 4It's just like , okay , we got one of those there's that guy , it's like yeah , I don't have cash on me , like at least he wasn't no wonder , this car , this train car was empty he wasn't talking about the black cat , though no , that's , that's reserved and that's a blessing .
Speaker 1Or Soylent Green .
Speaker 5You know Soylent Green's like Agent R . I can't tell you the amount of times I've heard that sentence .
Speaker 1Yeah , the mantra I don't know what any of that means , Me and the black cat we know . So the vamp in the morgue from the van is played by Jeff Mead . Jeff began as a stuntman working in the Universal Studios Hollywood tour in the Wild West stunt show .
Speaker 4Wow .
Speaker 5Wow .
Speaker 1So he worked in the Wild West stunt show , the Adventures of Conan and the Miami Vice action spectacular , which tells you when that was , and he used that as a springboard and performed almost all of his own stunts as an actor with stars such as Steven Seagal and Chuck Norris . He did personal protection security detail . He was recruited to the private sector to be a recurring hand-to-hand combat instructor with the United States Marine Corps Martial Arts Program , whoa .
Speaker 4Oh wow , he's a problem , that guy , this guy is legit .
Speaker 1He's also a playwright In that scene . His arm is placed like the Frankenstein monster . Didn't you guys think that it was a nod ? To that , and then his teeth are also more like the master's shape teeth than the rest of us vamps . I realized on this watch through that when he sits up that that is in . That's that piece in the title sequence .
Speaker 1Yes , there's that , and when she pushes , it again subverts expectations , because you think he's the anointed one , you think that he's going to be the one , but it just turns out he's a religious zealot .
Speaker 4Yeah , he's just a street kook and they're guiding you that way and they show you the kid , like very quickly , and it's just this like it feels like this incidental detail yes , no , they're letting you know .
Speaker 1And then they reveal it later . Yeah , it's great the way that's sort of shot and that you would be unsuspecting until you later track it . Well , that whole end fight sequence he goes into the incinerator , which is obviously not good for anyone but vampires and fire . And then Owen is actually quite heroic here .
Speaker 2He is .
Speaker 1You know he jumps in , he helps out . He gets so enthusiastic as it goes . Even just his level of enthusiasm for the morgue it isn't always the first place you think of for a first date .
Speaker 5Yeah .
Speaker 1Maybe you don't .
Speaker 5Yeah , no .
Speaker 4Didn't that funeral home give you phantasm vibes ?
Speaker 1Well , I thought that the tray in the morgue must have been built , because you know you wouldn't be able to fit a camera in there , and especially the size of the cameras then because they're now more economical , but sort of all of that stuff felt like it was built , especially when we have the sequences where Buffy you know where they're opening the doors and all of that .
Speaker 4I always want to bring up . This is the most we've spent around Giles' car so far . Oh , I know , and it's so cool . It's a 1963 Citroen DS . Oh , french car that was used a lot in racing .
Speaker 1It seems like a perfect car for him . Yeah , yeah , it seems like a perfect car for him .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah , that's like . Oh yeah , he would drive that .
Speaker 1It actually looked like it was difficult to drive by the way he pulls up . Did you notice that ? Yeah , it looked like a little tricky in terms of whatever the gears or whatever was going on there potentially .
Speaker 5Well , he's tall and that doesn't look like the biggest car .
Speaker 4Well , that's actually why they discontinued it ? Because it was .
Speaker 1It's like a mini , like it's too tiny .
Speaker 4The form factor is . It was discontinued in the 70s , I found out , because of its really tiny form factor and it's like it really wasn't easy to get in and out of . Yeah , that adds , up , yeah and he's over six feet , Tony , so he's got to have trouble with getting it in and out of that thing .
Speaker 5Yeah , that was like . I had , uh , for a very brief time , a honda crx which is like just about the big as big as a roller skate where to get out of it sometimes I would have to . Just I literally would just throw my body on the floor and stand up because I couldn't get out of the car .
Speaker 1Was it low to the ground too ?
Speaker 5It was , yeah , very low to the ground and so so small .
Speaker 4You know , I used it for like three days you know , my getting in and out of car sounds has gotten louder as I've gotten older you're doing that , oh yeah , oh .
Speaker 4and I got laughed at by a group of young people because I I don't even realize I'm doing it when I get out and I exaggerate a little bit , but it really is a genuine cry of distress . I got out of the car going oh , and this group of kids just laughed and I never felt so old and obsolete than I ever have in that moment .
Speaker 1Well , it'll only get worse .
Speaker 5In hindsight . It only gets worse , Don't worry .
Speaker 1It's just the beginning , as Emily Dickinson would say .
Speaker 5In her poem death only gets worse .
Speaker 1It only gets worse . It starts with getting out of your car by Emily Dickinson . So , as far as the relatable theme , there are quite a few themes here . There's , you know , balancing your life . There's a date that goes all wrong , although this one isn't because of the date himself . There's the jealousy theme , and to me the jealousy one runs very strongly through it . Do you guys have a story or a situation that you can recall that is about jealousy , or a date that's gone all wrong ?
Speaker 4I don't pick up signals that well . And so I don't realize . I don't like flirting because I don't understand it . I don't . What do you mean ? What are we talking about ? I ?
Speaker 1don't get teasing . I always think teasing I'm like you're being mean and it's like no , it's supposed to be a joke .
Speaker 4But I don't get teasing . I always think teasing I'm like you're being mean and it's like no , it's supposed to be a joke , but I don't get teasing . Oh , I was talking to somebody online that I knew , like I knew from like high school , and we just started talking online . Now I was just having a nice conversation . I didn't realize that she took that , as I'm interested in her , like you have to just outright tell me , cause it's just like .
Speaker 1I'm actually have been the same way my whole life , like I'm not going to guess that .
Speaker 4Yeah , I'm not guessing it . There's like I can't . You gotta be more forward and direct , cause I'm not going to get it Like Deborah had to just pull out . Like ask me out , she's like you . Oh , okay , that makes sense . So , but there was a time where I this girl said something online like oh , me and a bunch of friends are meeting in the city to go to a movie . Anybody want to come ? She said , yeah , I'll go out with a bunch of strangers , that sounds like fun . Then she like writes me privately . It's like , oh , we're really going to go out . I'm like , yeah , with everybody .
Speaker 1With everybody . A group with everybody , yeah , group . You said you had a group you want .
Speaker 4You were asking people who were group , okay , and then I realized like halfway through , this is a date now and I didn't want that . I don't know what to do . How do I ?
Speaker 2get .
Speaker 4So you did , you go , I went , I went I went and I was , you know , I just didn't .
Speaker 5I didn't know how to do this and I , and I was as uncomfortable as you can .
Speaker 4Yeah it's so uncomfortable because it was just like I didn't't really mean to do . It's like oh , you interpreted it that way . I'm sorry , I didn't mean to do that . I really wasn't trying to do that . It was just two hours of just like how you doing . How did it end ? Oh , it just ended . I just I said I'm going to go , and she's like great , thank God , thank God , well , thank God , thank God , well . There was just no chemistry there .
Speaker 1So you just went for the obligatory , but then it was just awkward .
Speaker 4It was just so awkward . It was the most . Thank God it was brunch so we just could just load up on Bloody Marys , so it was just like we could just Hell yeah .
Speaker 1It sounds like it was felt those two hours were an interminable
Awkward Dating Stories and Misunderstandings
Speaker 1length of time .
Speaker 4Yeah , have you ever gone on a politeness date ?
Speaker 1Not fun I have not gone on a poll . I didn't even know there was a thing called a politeness date . That's what I was on Me neither Well .
Speaker 4I don't want to be rude and say Usually you just say no to them .
Speaker 1Yeah , those are the , those are the . No , I don't yeah .
Speaker 4I didn't know what to do . I was just like , oh , she thought I don't know what to do here , Like it really was . No no .
Speaker 1You could have said we can go out as friends . I mean , you know , preempt it maybe .
Speaker 4Well , that makes sense now . I was just so like hoodwinked by the whole thing and it was like , oh , can I tell you a really embarrassing story Like this is how bad I am at reading signals . So I'm on a shoot , right , and it's an away job . So me and I think this girl was in art department A bunch of us went to a bar . Afterwards People started filtering out , so it's just me and her in the bar and she goes . Maybe you should sleep in my room , and that you got no . I said no , you wouldn't want to sleep with me . I snore . And it's only the next day that I realized what she was actually asking me . And I felt so terrible because you saw the look on her face when I said that it knocked the wind out of her . It was just a complete dismissal and I did not again . I don't know what you mean . I did not realize that's what you meant . I genuinely thought you just wanted a buddy to sleep over with you .
Speaker 1Because that happens all the time .
Speaker 4I don't know , I'm new to that . I was new to the adult thing . It's like oh , I guess that happens . People want to support Bubby , to sleep over , like sleep with them .
Speaker 1Dev has a really crazy bad date . Do you guys want to hear it ?
Speaker 4Oh , of course I mean yeah , Hot goss , I love it .
Speaker 1So Dev had been dating a girl for a little over a week and she told him that her roommate was in jail and so he got to her place one night for a date . And when he got there she told him that her roommate had escaped from prison and that she was helping hide him there in the flat . Dev said , okay , he was getting really kind of freaked out , like is this for real ? And he said , well , what did he go in for ? Like what is it ? And she said , oh , it wasn't anything too bad , it was just bank robbery with a weapon , right , like . So Dev is like , I'm not too happy about this . I think maybe this is the time for me to leave .
Speaker 1And the prison break guy came out , saw that they were kind of having an issue over him being there and he said OK , you know what , I'm just going to leave to give you guys some space to sort this out . And Dev is thinking I actually kind of want to get out of here , but this is just a lot . And he goes I know what I'll do . I'll just go and get some takeout for all of us and I'll come back . And he went to get takeout there it's called takeaway and he got rearrested at the restaurant so he never showed back up . Old Bill was waiting for him , yep , but then Dev was sort of like yeah , I don't think this is the right situation .
Speaker 5I came on a date and now I'm aiding and abetting .
Speaker 1Right An armed robber .
Speaker 5Right .
Speaker 1Chris , what about you ? Have you had a date that's gone all wrong ?
Speaker 5I mean , I've had relationships that have completely gone all wrong .
Speaker 5I had an interaction one time . I was in Best Buy . I was browsing the movies and I didn't see her standing next to me . And in the Best Buy I shopped at , there was one aisle where one of the pillars of the store was like dead center in the middle of this aisle . So now me thinking that the pillars next to me , I put my hand out to just lean on it . I grabbed her by her face . Oh my gosh , but it was funny because she laughed at it . I was like , oh my God , I was so sorry . I thought it was the pillar and she was laughing and we got to talking about something and she gave me her number and it fell out of my pocket . When I got in my car I had these weird pants on these sweatpants I was wearing . Where the pockets didn't go down , they went to the side .
Speaker 4Oh yeah , I know those .
Speaker 5And I used to lose everything and that number fell out of my pocket oh . Never .
Speaker 1And she had a sense of humor .
Speaker 5Yeah , she laughed about the whole thing and it was just like I don't know it was a funny little thing that happened . She's like that was a weird way to pick someone up .
Speaker 1And then she's later thinking gosh , he never called , Right he never called me .
Speaker 5He just wanted to cradle my face .
Speaker 1She's a face groper .
Speaker 5Yeah , I was the face groper of Staten Island . Random the early 2000s , you got your face . If you got , if a strange man grabbed you by your face at around 2002 , 2003 , baby , I lost your number , wouldn't it be . I'm happily married now when I have a child Right .
Speaker 1But wouldn't it still ?
Speaker 5I'm happily married now when I have a child , right , but wouldn't it still be ?
Speaker 1a boat is sailed , if that gal was listening and actually wrote it oh , that'd be so funny .
Speaker 5Imagine a wild like ?
Speaker 1oh , I always wondered about that I wonder what happened to you .
Speaker 5Face grabbing freak told so many stories about that she obviously knew that it was a mistake . Well , at first , then maybe afterwards . Once I didn't call then maybe the intrusive thoughts came in and it's like wait a minute .
Speaker 1That guy did it , he just wanted to .
Speaker 5He just did it . Maybe he's a serial face grabber .
Speaker 1Oh my god , I don't know if I should share my jealousy story now . I think I feel , since I'm alone in my bad- .
Speaker 4Don't let our moral superiority dissuade you . You should go- .
Speaker 1Well , I was in grade school in London and I was with my friend , karen Huba , and we were in the cafeteria and she said who do you think is the cutest boy in the whole school ? I was looking around and I said he is and it was Hamilton Shippey III . So a few nights later I ended up at a party and it was a small party and we were playing spin the bottle I think I was in fourth grade , fifth grade , something like that and we were playing spin the bottle and it got to ham and he asked for truth . And they said who do you think is the cutest girl at the party ? And he said Juliet . And then we were . You know , it went rounds , went on and it came to me and I said truth . And they said who do you think is the cutest boy in the whole school ? And I said oh well , I know that one Cause , I just was talking with Karen about it and I said ham . And of course the whole party went ooh , oh , that's spicy .
Speaker 1So then there was this dance that was like a 1950s kind of sock hop style dance that we all dressed up to go to at school and I have pictures of it . It's kind of ridiculous because I'm like tiny in this poodle skirt and kind of 50s hair and Bobby socks and whatever . And we go there and I start dancing with this boy , peter I think his last name was Strauss . I didn't like Peter . He was a very cute kid but I didn't have a crush on Peter . So I was really relaxed and I was talking and whatever
Electricity, Jealousy, and Teen Drama
Speaker 1. And Ham saw me and got really jealous and was like , oh my God , she likes Peter and whatever else . And so then he was dancing with Ashby Semple and Ashby . I got very jealous . I was like , oh my gosh , ham is with Ashby Semple . And then I went into the bathroom and I was crying and really upset because I thought he liked me best and all of that stuff . And so you have to realize I was young and so I'm crying and I'm smearing my fifties makeup and he , I think , had a bit of a violent streak or something , because he went outside and he took this big branch and he was hitting a trunk of a tree really over and over and really angry , and so that dance didn't go too well .
Speaker 1But then we found our way back and we were kind of you know , not dating , we're too young to be dating , but we were kind of hanging out and flirting and whatever else . And so then , like a month later , I was not invited to this party that everybody else seemed to be invited to , and I got word that Ham and Ashby Semple were hanging out at the party and that they were , you know , on the couch all night and they were getting kind of cozy and I was so distraught , I was really upset and I decided to go upstairs into our den in the house in London and my parents had failed to mention I went to turn on there was a lamp that a standing lamp that had one of those you know lamp , a standing lamp that had one of those dials that you step on and it turns it on . So they failed to tell me that there had been a problem with it and they needed to call the electrician and all of the wires were exposed . So it's pitch black and I'm really upset about this whole thing with Ham and Ashby and I'm trying to pull the cord to me . I'm like where is this ? Where is the thing ? I can't step on it , it's not happening All of a sudden .
Speaker 1I must have blacked out . So I got thrown across the room and I must have blacked out , because I woke up and I was vibrating , still with this lamp on top of me and I couldn't disengage from it , and I heard this guttural , weird help . And then all of a sudden I thought , oh , I think that's coming from me . That's my scream . And then I was thinking what's going on and then I had this really surreal thought where I said , oh wait , it's like that Fred Flintstone episode . I think I'm getting electrocuted . Like I put together , I learned from Fred Flintstone .
Speaker 5Oh , my God .
Speaker 1So I was trying to disengage , but I couldn't , so I had to kick the lamp off of me , and so then I'm in the pitch black and I'm completely shaking and I'm all , and I smell this sort of burning smell and I finally yes , it was me .
Speaker 1I finally get the door open , like out of into the hall and get it where there's some light . And I look and I had , I still have a scar actually on my second finger on my right hand where it was like a cigarette burn that had burned almost down to the bone .
Speaker 5Wow , oh , my God .
Speaker 1My parents had not heard me screaming , I hadn't heard anything . So it was just one of those situations where it just kept escalating and getting from bad to worse , to worse to worse , where I ended up getting electrocuted over my jealousy of Ham and Ashby Semple , but forever it was like and Ashby Semple , but I forever was like Ashby Semple .
Speaker 4I did not see that story going there . No me neither . It's just like a struggle for life and death . It's just like oh you know , it's so sad when you get disappointed , like in those things when you're younger . It's like and then I almost died .
Speaker 1I know I was in that I want to be alone , so I went into that room by myself and then it just , you know , that was obviously not the thing to do , or they should have told me that there were exposed wires would have probably been a better . Yeah , that's kind of a hazard , you know .
Speaker 5I have a lot of electrocution stories . I worked for the electric company for a long time but nothing where .
Speaker 4My story is like at the beginning of the story , the end you go . Oh , I know he's getting electrocuted . Well , I had a . It was an outlet and I had a fork .
Speaker 1It's like well , yeah , it's a straight it's a straight line really well , the show uses drama to explore the drama of being a teenager .
Speaker 1The teenage crush is definitely filled with drama , so that my story sort of illustrates that . Because I was in the very kind of dramatic you know , almost overly dramatic , you know mood about the whole thing . It's so dire . And actually when we kind of Ham and I made up and he wasn't really with Ashby apparently and when I moved back to the States I still had on all of my tennis shoes and notebooks and everything I had written Juliet plus Ham , ham plus Juliet , ham loves Juliet , juliet loves Ham , like hearts and all this stuff . And it was just funny because for years I was like , can I just grow out of these shoes ?
Speaker 1In the mausoleum where they're all gathered there's kind of traditional horror lighting , but it's not unattractive because , you know , uplighting can sometimes be really so it's sort of like beauty horror lighting . That's in that . And I you know Buffy when she's saying you killed my date and you killed my date and you know all of that at the end , which proves not to be true , but the emotion with which she's fighting , you know , really caps the whole experience .
Speaker 4Well , xander's just like no , no , no . It's like well , no , she , no , listen , let her work . If this is helping her get through this , Let her do it . Let her do it .
Speaker 1Let her vent when Owen says that nearly being killed made him feel so alive , and you realize that he's now a thrill seeker , like his whole trajectory in this episode .
Navigating Dating and Danger Boundaries
Speaker 5He also has a danger fetish .
Speaker 4Well , getting into that , it's just like he goes from hey , can I come with you guys to let's go mug somebody , hold up a ransom . Well , you already think , I think .
Speaker 1Mid-tax fraud Like calm down bro . But I think it's also kind of like becomes clear that he's the wrong fit for buffy , and I think first dates and early dates are all about seeing if someone's a good fit yeah , if you're uncomfortable on a date that's over yeah , exactly , it's like for sure because it's not going to get that .
Speaker 1I mean not just beginning nerves , you know , but if you really aren't connecting in any way . You know , buffy , she acts like a teenage girl around Owen , but ultimately she chooses her adult self to protect him and she says that Giles , willow , xander , they're all really careful , and that Owen would get himself killed in two days in her world , or that she would get him killed , or that someone else would get him killed , and that it would just be way , way too dangerous .
Speaker 4Yeah , he took that , that whole thing . He did not take that with any kind of temperance . He was just like let's go let's rage , let's fight . Rob a bank .
Speaker 1Oh whoa . Also , you wonder what did he think was really happening there with those vampires , cause he doesn't really mention like that . He says , oh , that was really cool , let's do it again . But he's not going like , well , what the hell was that right ?
Speaker 5right did she ? He just assumed that she's just killing guys . She just set a guy on fire in the morgue and was just like alright , this is good , finally , yeah like that would have been a question .
Speaker 4it's like uh , the guy who's like built like the specimen , the guy you just beat the shit out of and then threw it to a fire , how'd that happen . Was that the plan ? No , he was just like ready , let's go . Okay , that was awesome , that was a cool first date , but let's top it the next one .
Speaker 1The title really kind of also is for me the balancing of life , and the title kind of is the epitome of that . The never kill a boy on the first date , because it's what Buffy has to deal with . So you know where is the balance in her life ?
Speaker 4Well , that's why her and Angel are such a good fit . For a time . He's not in any danger , they're on equal footing in terms of their lifestyles , in terms of their approach to date , Like they can handle themselves . Like he can't handle himself , Like he's just , like he's overreaching , he's like let's go , let's go , but he can't , he was he'll get with that kind of attitude , he'll get killed .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know that scene with Buffy and Giles and Buffy is feeling guilty and Giles is such a great mentor and says we feel our way as we go along and that's such great advice for everything to do that and that's such great advice for everything to do that and he really tells her that she's doing a good job and it's a really sweet moment between them .
Speaker 4Yeah , it's the first time you start seeing how that relationship's taking shape .
Speaker 1Well , it's such an encouraging thing and it is sort of like you do have to feel you can't try to be perfect or try to do everything right , and life is about feeling your way as you go along and learning from that , as you were both talking about earlier and then going . Oh well , now I would know not to do this .
Speaker 4Well , now I yeah , it's a come stay in my room . I know what that means now .
Stories of Love and Connection
Speaker 1Oh right the other thing at the end is that they think they've averted the crisis , but it ends on the master telling us otherwise and we meet the anointed one and we see that he's in the child's body .
Speaker 5Yeah , yeah , which .
Speaker 1I loved .
Speaker 5That's such a nice twist .
Speaker 4It's like I did not see that coming , like when I first watched it . It's like , oh okay , they , really they are gods of the misdirection .
Speaker 5They are so good at that ? Yeah , they're so good at that , yeah . And each episode they keep . It's like they're upping it each episode .
Speaker 1so far , the bait and switch .
Speaker 5And we're so early in the series and they're doing this already at this kind of level and they still get you .
Speaker 4You know , like that's the game they're playing , but they somehow still top that where they surprise you still like late , like all the way into season seven . You're like you got me again .
Speaker 1How the hell did you get me again ? Because it's so well done and everything's set up so well to lead you in one direction and then subvert it . The Anointed One was played by Andrew Furchland . Do you guys know the character's actual first name ? I don't remember , Do you Chris ?
Speaker 5Don't Google . No , Julie Benzing it . I'm going to say no because I didn't .
Speaker 1Because you did it . You were about to call a Julie Ben .
Speaker 5Yeah , I have like four screens and all the information is on each one of them .
Speaker 1All right , Well then I'll let you share it , because you're cheating . It's Colin , right , Colin , Yep , Yep . And I think Andrew was nine here and 10 when I worked with him . That fabulous shot of the master . At the end it opens with that blue gel . You know that time period . Everything was about the blue gels and the blue color correction .
Speaker 4It was that , and then matrix happened and everything went green for a little while .
Speaker 1Yep . So wait , we heard like the worst day . What's your best date ?
Speaker 5My best , oh my best date was the first day date I had with my wife . 100% , we clicked .
Speaker 1And what was it Like ? How did you guys connect ?
Speaker 5Well , we met on the internet and we set up . Our first date was in Atlantic City . We went to a casino . We met at the Tropicana Casino , but she lived down . She actually lived down where , pretty much in the town that we live in now , and I was still up in New York . So I was like you know what , let it be . You know , it's closer to you , I'll come down this way . You know , we meet in a public area and we just we hit it off . We had a great time , we , you know , with dinner we gambled a little bit I make a joke out of it Carmine's in the Tropicana . Now Carmine's is an Italian restaurant , but it's family style . Oh , so two people usually don't go to that . So it's like , I mean , it's like , oh , you want to come and watch me eat 11 pounds of pasta you want to see me do a food challenge ?
Speaker 5you want to see something very romantic you want to see me eat a tray of chicken parmesan ? But yeah , no , that didn't scare her away and yeah , it was just a fun date .
Speaker 1Yeah , mine would be Dev , Definitely best date .
Speaker 4Yeah , same with Deb . Our first conversation . We met while waiting online . They had a premiere . They used to do a premiere for Doctor who at the Ziegfeld Theater what . That's now closed down , which is a shame . They would do the premiere of the season , so we just were online waiting watch the premiere . Like it was like a first come , first serve , so like we were waiting online for like 10 , 12 hours oh , wow yeah , so we hit it off .
Speaker 4We really actually it's not true we didn't really talk that much on the line afterwards . We just started talking , like talking online , and then we just went on skype and just like just like , oh , let's talk on skype a minute , and then we wound up talking for like 12 hours . Oh wow , we even took our meals sitting down and it was just like very normal to do that , like , oh , just take what do you eat , okay , and we just were just watching stuff , not even talking . Half the time it was just like , yeah , I guess we're together now . That's beautiful .
Speaker 5That was yours , Juliet .
Speaker 1It's funny because I kind of think that our first date was actually it wasn't like an official date Dev had been shooting a music video with Gary Oldman . We had been friends and he recommended me to Gary to direct the behind the scenes making of when I was filming all the stuff on the shoot . It turned into , instead of being solely a behind the scenes sort of supplemental thing , into being a short film about Gary's creative process , and so we'd been shooting long days and shooting the project and Dev was shooting you know Gary's project which I was chronicling , and it was after it and we went to dinner and then we were sitting and talking for a long time again , like you were saying , and we didn't sit for 12 hours in the car , but it was one of those things where it feels like five minutes and you go oh my God , we've been sitting here talking for four and a half hours or something . And Dev actually went to hold my hand and I got so shy . I felt like a first grader . I'd never felt like that in eons . I didn't know what to do . I was like he's holding my I'm not , I've got , and it was so wild .
Speaker 1And then I remember we actually both were seeing the same shrink because we had been friends and I had been seeing that Dev was making these incredible strides and changes in his life . And I said you know what are you doing ? And he mentioned his name was Robert Lorenz . And I said you know what are you doing ? And he mentioned his name was Robert Lorenz . And I went and I met Robert and I was like , and Robert did ultimately really change my life for the better in terms of not having contact with my family and all the things that ensued ultimately .
Speaker 1And Dev , because I said to Robert I didn't , I don't know , I got so shy and I never I kind of thought of us as friends , so I never really thought of us that way . I'm not sure . And Robert just said in his cryptic way that he would often sort of plant a healthy idea , since I wasn't raised in a healthy environment . He said I might give that a try . I think you should think about it , and it , of course , was the best decision of my life . And then , the next time that Dev took my hand , I did not feel like a second grader , I felt like a woman .
Speaker 4But it was funny .
Speaker 1It was just very much like I had some weird regressive , like amazing , almost paralytic shyness when he first took my hand . It was like overload of wait . I hadn't kind of thought of him that way , or I wasn't thinking that way , but then I was like , but this is nice and I really like him and like it's so much going through my head , and then the rest , of course , is history . And then he did . He was really sweet because I was shooting something else and I was really busy and we were talking and I said , oh gosh , I have to run out and get laundry detergent , but I have a really early call and the next thing I know he had dropped off Tide . I mean not that they're sponsoring us , but the unscented Tide .
Speaker 4No , ronco , rotisserie Oven is sponsoring us . It's our official sponsor .
Speaker 1Daddy-O , he dropped off some Daddy-O . Daddy-o's laundry detergent . Daddy-o .
Speaker 4Come to Daddy Guys . The price just keeps going up . I mean , I know it's a few episodes , but guys tick-tock .
Speaker 1And he didn't want to bug me because I was learning dialogue and had to be up really early . But he called me and said , like look outside your door and there was Tide there . And I was like oh my God . And my friend said , oh , he really likes you . If he's going to like , go to the market , get Tide . You haven't even really been on an official date and he's like dropping that by your house to help you out in the middle of a shoot , like , I think he likes you a lot and he's a keeper .
Speaker 4It's very sweet . My relationships before Deborah I would charitably describe as unhealthy .
Speaker 1Yeah , mine too , before Deb . I mean , yeah , toxic would be mine , yeah again charitably . But we probably will share Take Flight , which is the short film that I made about Gary Oldman's creative process on Patreon . It's a special movie that I'd love people to see . So what is the line from this episode that you would get as a tattoo ?
Speaker 4So Giles is just being very sarcastic with Buffy . He says , I'll just jump in my time machine .
Speaker 5Go back to the 12th century and ask the vampires to postpone their ancient prophecy for a few days , while you take in dinner and a show .
Speaker 1Okay , at this point you're abusing sarcasm .
Speaker 4I love that line Okay at this point you're abusing sarcasm .
Speaker 5I love that line . Yeah , it's great .
Speaker 1That's a really good one . I love it . If the apocalypse comes beat me , that's mine too .
Speaker 5Oh my God , that's two in a row .
Speaker 1We've been working the same ones , I know . I know We've got matching tattoos now Chris , two of them .
Speaker 5Yeah , we almost look A duo biker gang .
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Anecdotes of Odd Jobs
Speaker 4In this corner from the Empire State , weighing in at over a dozen Buffy rewatches Lethal Lauren McIntyre .
Speaker 3Hi , my name is Lauren McIntyre . I'm from New York , New York . One of the lines that I would get tattooed on me is from Never Kill a Boy . On the first date and it's Buffy . I said you can slay as well as have a social life , but not at the same time .
Speaker 4And in this corner from Haverton , Pennsylvania , weighing in at over 100 , Buffy rewatches , Pat the Killer Kelly .
Speaker 2I'm from Haverton , Pennsylvania . I've probably watched Buffy around 100 times all the way through , so if I had to pick a quote to get tattooed from that episode , it would probably be . Sorry I was late . I was sitting in a cemetery with a librarian waiting for a vampire to rise so I could prevent an evil prophecy from coming to pass .
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Speaker 2And now for something completed .
Speaker 5I worked there for one day and it was a bread delivery route . That alone doesn't sound like it's a bizarre job . That's you know , it's for a bakery .
Speaker 1It kind of sounds okay , you might get bread . So it was for a bakery . It was an a bakery . Yeah , kind of sounds okay . So someone got . Yeah , he might get bread and yeah .
Speaker 5So it was for a bakery . It was an overnight bread delivery job . The guy was going to show me the route and I was going to take over the route from this gentleman . Well , it turns out , the gentleman I don't think realized that he was getting the boot , I guess , and I was taking over . So he was rather let me sit in the front seat . I had to sit in the back on the floor , surrounded by bread . Now , how exactly do you learn a bread ?
Speaker 5route from the back of the truck . It was like I was being kidnapped and driven around the city with loaves of bread and I rode with him . There was only two more stops . We went back to Brooklyn and I went in and I told the baker I was like listen , I'm not coming back . And also I really pissed the guy off because he asked me he's like oh , what's he going to pay you ? And I told him and I was going to get paid more than he makes and the guy let out a motherfucking fucking guy scream just in the street and it was the hardest I ever laughed and I think that really pissed him off too . But yeah , that was , that was that was like David Mamet .
Speaker 1Yeah , dialogue there .
Speaker 5So actually I walked from the bakery to your house that morning , Frank , really .
Speaker 1That must be you , Frank , because I know you didn't walk all the way here to Hollywood .
Speaker 4Who are you ? 20 years ago . After being in a bread truck , abducted in a bread truck all night . Some weird boy who stinks of bread just walked up to my house .
Speaker 1All 35 steps . That motherfucking fucking bread guy . Motherfucking stinky bread guy .
Speaker 5Yeah .
Speaker 1Well , that sounds very unpleasant .
Speaker 5Yeah , that was terrible .
Speaker 4It's like we took a left . It's like we're trying to explain to the police afterwards .
Speaker 5Exactly , I know we took a left . I heard a train . It's like we're trying to explain to the police afterwards .
Speaker 4Exactly , I know we took a left . I heard a train .
Speaker 2I heard a train .
Speaker 4Oh , so I was a PA on .
Speaker 1And for people that don't know what that is A production assistant A production assistant on a movie and it's yeah , it means you're kind of running and doing everything .
Speaker 4Yeah , so this one job . It was a friend's short film that he had cast this actress . She wasn't really an actress , she was a model , but she was wanting to get into acting and I'm just going to say she may have not been the most experienced , so my job was this scene is she busts into a restaurant and catches her boyfriend on a date with another girl And's the scene so I had to stand outside . What's ?
Speaker 1up and there's some jealousy in that scene , jealousy in this scene .
Speaker 4Yes , this film was uh depicting jealousy apparently , which is a thing that people experience apparently not me , but juliet almost , it almost killed her actually and so my job was to cue her to go in . So when they call action , so my friend does , uh , who does a lot of takes , he does a lot of rehearsals , he likes to just do take , he's big on take . So I have to cue her . So she's standing on one side of the doorway , I'm standing on the other , and first it was okay , action , and she goes in . And then she asked me can you do me a favor ? Could you , um , say it louder ? It's like next time I'm like , oh , yeah , sure , sure action . And then goes in . And then she asked me can you do me a favor ? Could you , um , say it louder ? It's like next time I'm like , oh yeah , sure , sure , sure action .
Speaker 4And then can you actually yell my name , the third tape , yeah , okay , yeah , you know my name , because I can't . You know , I'm not registering it . I'm like , okay . So , whatever her name was Jacqueline , is this like okay . It's like then she comes back , can you ? Oh , I see I'm looking down when I come in , can you get low ? And because I can't see your hand to cue me . Can you like wave your hand under me ? I said , okay , she comes in , she comes back . Now you have to get lower . And you really got to yell , because I'm really in this space , can you really got to yell it . So I'm in the middle of the street on my hands and knees waiting to hear like action and I'm waving my arms back and forth , screaming jack . It literally got to that point stella on my hands and knees .
Speaker 4people are walking past like what's going on here ? And then and this is like 10 , 12 , screaming at the top of my lungs at this , and then eventually she's like can you get somebody else to do it ?
Speaker 5Oh my gosh , get somebody better and cooler .
Speaker 4I was happy . It was like , and like You're like yes , please the AD felt so embarrassed . He's like listen , she wants somebody else to do it . This is going on for like 45 minutes and she's getting frustrated too , cause it's like I can't see your hands . You got to get low . You got to get low Like , how low , like what , what it's no , I just say You're on the ground .
Speaker 5How much lower ?
Speaker 4could you get ?
Speaker 5Oh , that's great .
Speaker 4And screaming her like at the top of my lungs .
Speaker 1Listen , I respect the an actor's process , whatever you need , but it was just like no , that's I mean also ridiculous if you can't see someone waving their arms and screaming , then you have to figure out a cue that's actually workable and not make someone do that .
Speaker 4That's insane , yeah because it wasn't even necessary , because it's just like to see you do that right .
Speaker 1She's like how much can I get this guy ? Let's see what I can get him to do .
Speaker 5Let's see if I can make him take his shoes off . I'm like , that's what I'm like .
Speaker 1And juggle while you're doing it and whistle and yell , then whistle . I'm like , can you signal ? And I'm young , so I'm like am I doing something wrong ?
Speaker 1Okay , the director's like why are you screaming her name so loud ? I'm like she asked me to . Oh my God , I was dancing professionally . And then I quit dancing for a spate and I wasn't yet an actress . And after that I went back to dancing , but a dancer friend of mine , melinda . She was working selling office supplies , and so she got me a job . She went by an alias because she was a performer . So she said okay , I'm using Lee Miller , who was actually man Ray . The visual artist muse was named Lee Miller , so that's why she chose that name . So then I started working there and I came up with an alias because I thought okay , well , my dream job is not selling office supplies , I am a performer . So I came up with this name , kim Simon .
Speaker 1And so I was working for this couple that were really lovely . They own the business and they knew I was Juliet . They knew everything . We had this printed pitch and I wasn't comfortable using a pitch that wasn't 100% true . So Bob rewrote the pitch and made a new pitch for me , and then he said you know what ? Why don't you come to the house ? Because they just had a baby ? And so , rather than working in the office , I want to teach you how to sell , and he was an amazing salesman . So he was like just watch me do it and you'll pick it up and you'll figure out . You know how to how to sort of do this . So I went to their house and it was a very unusual scene because his desk was in their bedroom and Gail was pretty much in bed nursing the baby . He had a desk and I had this little desk like awkwardly between Bob and Gail in their bedroom while he was making pitch calls in their bedroom , while he was making pitch calls . So I was learning from him and watching .
Speaker 1But the thing that I actually ended up really learning about was they were a happy , loving couple and they had two other children and then the baby , and so for me it was actually like what I learned there , more than pitching , because his sales style was very different than I could ever be , but it was this life lesson because of my family . It was like , oh wait , there's another way to behave If you're actually in a loving environment and the way that they were with their kids and they were genuinely there and interested in it , and the way that they were with each other , which was really endearing and lovely . But it was funny because I would go to work and we'd like have lunch breaks . They actually had a chef , so we'd have these incredible meals , but I basically was like their long lost daughter or something and the baby and the whole thing , and so our job was cold calls . So you just had to like go through the phone book and then start pitching and try to make calls .
Speaker 1So I made a huge sale , kind of inadvertently , I don't even know why . So Kim calls up and I sold these office partitions and they wanted me to go and measure . And I was like Bob , I don't know anything really about office partitions and he's like just go there , swagger , wave the tape , measure around , seem like you know what you're doing . So I went to this office building on Wilshire Boulevard , I did what he said . I sort of acted the part and did all that and it obviously worked because they got the office partitions , they were great , they were happy with them , and so I was like , okay , phew . So then I got this huge account for the company . But I got it because I actually misdialed the phone book . I combined two different numbers , like a top number and a bottom number , and I ended up getting this architecture firm .
Speaker 1There was this guy , brad , and I pitched him and he became this enormous client for the company where he would order for the firm masses of office supplies , you know , week in , week out . So we talked to each other probably three times a week . We started to get to know each other . I really liked him on the phone . He was like , oh , is that you on the cover of their book ? And I was like , no , it's not , cause it was actually someone who looked like their name would be Kim Simon . But did it was not me . And so he then at a certain point goes you know what ? I really want to take you to lunch so we can sit down face to face and we can . You know , we've been talking now for months and months , so many times . And so I said okay . So we went to lunch and I'm gearing up . Tell him my real name , cause I'm starting to feel weird about the fact . I mean even though it's this relationship .
Speaker 1Yeah , I'm feeling really weird . So I'm sort of practicing , I'm nervous about it and I'm like , okay , I have to just tell him , like my name's Juliet , I adopted this name , I'm a performer , I was a dancer . I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing next and thinking of going back to dancing . So my name is Juliet , and so we sit down to lunch and we're talking a little bit . I said , well , I really have to tell you something . And Brad says to me he goes you know what , kim , let me just go first . Let me just tell you your company , the honesty , the integrity .
Speaker 1He goes on this monologue about everything and I'm sitting there I'm thinking , oh my God , I cannot tell him my name is not Kim now , like he's literally gone on about how and everything else has been honest and had integrity , but my name . So I'm sitting there and I'm going what ? And I'm starting to schwitz and thinking , what do I do , what I do ? So I just I couldn't and I just stayed Kim because there was just no the minute those words came out of his mouth . The honesty , the integrity , oh , my God , how do I follow that up with ? Well , you know , my name isn't actually Kim .
Speaker 4You think I am Speaking of honesty kim what you think . I am speaking of honesty . It's funny you bring up honesty . I do have integrity , except for the name thing we now welcome our audience to enjoy this recently unearthed missing scene from the episode . Here endeth the lesson . But wait , there's another way .
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