Episode 4: Porn - The Good 😊, The Bad 😖, The Ugly 🤢

Episode 4: Porn - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly 🍿🧠

Can consuming pornography really alter your brain chemistry and lead to addiction? Is it causing more harm than good in our society? Join us on this eye-opening episode of Supersex as Sherman and Jordan unpack these controversial topics, debunking common myths and offering a balanced perspective on the realities of porn consumption. We promise you'll gain a deeper understanding of whether excessive porn use can lead to addiction, its impact on erectile dysfunction, and how it shapes our motivation and dopamine levels.

What's Cooking? 🍳

Myth-Busting: Debunking common misconceptions about porn addiction and brain chemistry.
Erectile Dysfunction: Exploring the potential link between porn consumption and ED.
Dopamine and Motivation: How excessive porn use might impact your brain's reward system.
Youth and Explicit Content: The alarming ease with which children can access porn on social media.
Sex Education: The lack of appropriate sex ed and unrealistic portrayals on platforms like OnlyFans.
Parental Controls vs. Reality: The disconnect between controls and actual sources of explicit material.

One of the most pressing issues we explore is the alarming ease with which children can access explicit content on popular social media platforms like Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and TikTok. What does this mean for their understanding of real sexual behavior and body image? We'll dive into the lack of appropriate sex education and the unrealistic portrayals of male anatomy on user-generated content platforms like OnlyFans. This episode offers crucial insights into the disconnect between parental controls and the actual sources of explicit material, shedding light on a growing concern for today's youth.

Religion's influence on porn consumption and its intricate relationship with mental health is another critical topic we tackle. From deeply ingrained religious beliefs to feelings of guilt and internal conflict, we'll share personal stories and research findings that paint a vivid picture of the struggles many face. Additionally, we discuss the broader societal impact of hyper-sexualized media, the importance of teaching consent and realistic portrayals of sex, and how porn can serve as a tool for sexual exploration and self-discovery.

Tune in for:

• Practical tips
• Personal anecdotes
• A refreshing take on a subject that deserves more open conversation

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to foster open conversations and a better understanding of pornography's role in modern sexual dynamics. So, sit back, relax, and join us for a fun and enlightening chat. Let’s make sex ed sexy together!

Welcome to Supersex! 🔥

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:10

Hey to all the straights, gays and nays, welcome to Supersex, the podcast where we have conversations and share our perspectives on sexuality, sex and more.

Speaker 1: 0:18

I'm Sheldon and I'm Jordan, two friends, one straight, one, gay, taking on all things sex. One straight one, gay, taking on all things sex. Hello, hello everyone. So welcome to another episode, jordan. What are we talking about today? Porn, yes, love, porn. Look, can't say that I don't love it. Yeah, I might even have a problem with it. Oh, interesting, we'll get into that a bit later. But yeah, today we're talking about pornography you're talking all things porn.

Speaker 2: 0:57

So in fact, not all things, because it's like that would be like a 15 hour long episode, clearly. Um, but maybe let's just talk about the good and the bad.

Speaker 1: 1:06

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:06

I think there's a few myths out there that are circling around.

Speaker 1: 1:12

There's a lot, look, there's many opinions, I feel, on porn. Yeah, a lot, and I feel like there's definitely a place for it, but there's definitely also a place, a part of porn, that can be a little bit destructive. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 2: 1:31

Yeah, say that word. Yeah, cool, yeah, I'm happy with that. All right, let's get into it. Let's do it. I'm going to start this one off by putting out a myth. No, not a myth. Is it real, is it not? I want your opinion. And a myth or opinion piece is excessive porn use can lead to addiction, which impacts your daily life and your responsibilities. True or false?

Speaker 1: 2:01

Okay, that's hard because I'm going to. Okay, that's hard because I'm going to. I don't think you think you, I don't think that you think you know what I'm going to say. That still doesn't make any sense. I'm really confused. I certainly don't know what you're going to say. I'm not going to say what you think I'm going to say.

Speaker 2: 2:17

Uh-huh.

Speaker 1: 2:18

Right, I'm going to say that there is some truth to that. There is some truth to that. I'm not saying it's a definite, but I'm going to say there is a bit of truth to that. Yeah, so go on. What is the answer? What are your thoughts? What's happened?

Speaker 2: 2:31

Okay, so there is definitely some truth to it. Yes, however, it is not. Pornography use is not an addiction, as meth use is Okay, as it is not an addiction, as meth use is Okay, okay. Okay, as it were, the models that we scientifically have for substance abuse and substance addiction is not the same as porn addiction. Okay, and it's a different mechanism, but we'll get into that. I would agree with that. I would agree with that, actually.

Speaker 1: 3:00

All right.

Speaker 2: 3:01

Now what about this one?

Speaker 1: 3:09

Watching porn causes erectile dysfunction in men, I'm gonna say, no, that's false. Yeah, it's completely fucking false?

Speaker 2: 3:16

of course it would be false. Yeah, it's how? Yeah, I mean, you're watching porn, you get an erection, and what? You just suddenly can't get it up in front of a partner. Okay, that's a nuanced thing though. Okay, but again, I'll explain it later on in the episode. All right, do you want to go good or the bad first?

Speaker 1: 3:37

let's go. I'm gonna go bad first, because I feel like I'm gonna talk about good for a long time. Let's go back, because I don't think it's that bad. I only have maybe one or two things that I think would be, in my opinion, bad. So I'd rather talk about the bad first than the good.

Speaker 2: 3:56

Let's do it Okay. So I think I actually seen this out there today and it was some Instagram influencer. I don't even know what the fuck that is. I'm not Instagram.

Speaker 1: 4:09

Look, I'm not going to lie. I'm sitting here looking at you, just being impressed with the fact that you're like an Instagram influencer.

Speaker 2: 4:16

Somebody influenced me to use that term influencer, and then here it is. Here we go, here we go, but essentially this person was saying that people that consume porn their dopamine levels drop through the floor because they're getting their dopamine hits in far too regular occurrences and that reduces their drive and basically they will become a vegetable because they've got no drive to do anything else and therefore that's all porn's fault. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1: 4:49

I call bullshit yeah, I call absolute bullshit 100. I feel like, yes, there are negative things that porn can do to a person. Yeah, but turning them into a vegetable yeah certainly, not certainly fucking.

Speaker 2: 5:03

So there was this MRI-based study, right, and they did they basically looked at the brain, put on a video which was a completely, you know, non-sexual related video Cars just frolicking in the meadows.

Speaker 1: 5:22

Some people might find that turn on, damn it.

Speaker 2: 5:25

Flowers, grass, my grandma or my dad's side. Let's go that way, nobody's getting turned on by that shit.

Speaker 2: 5:36

So they're seeing this video of her just walking around the streets of Liverpool, and that was it, and their brain function was at one level. Okay, they then switched the video up to be a pornographic film. The brain flow, the blood, started pumping a whole heap more. Of course, right. So there is a definite difference to the brain when it's inhaling sexual content, yep. As to when it's inhaling sexual content, yep. As to when it's not, right, right, um. As to the dopamine thing, yes, probably, but is it causing issues of that magnitude with so many young kids now? And what are those issues?

Speaker 1: 6:21

I think there are a lot of issues that is causing for me. This is what what my negative was going to be was the fact that I think the biggest my look, this is all my opinion that the biggest issue that I think porn has an effect on young people is is that they watch porn thinking that that is sex yeah, and then thinking that that is how you are supposed to have sex and those are the things that you do, and those are the things that girls are gonna like, because they watch a video.

Speaker 1: 6:53

they see this girl and I'm talking about it in the straight side of things here. They see a video, see a girl screaming, screaming and all these things and being absolutely rammed Straight away. They think that's what you're supposed to do, especially for those kids that don't have any kind of sexual education. Yeah, that's normal in their minds, I think so they want to do that. Then, when the girl doesn't do that, oh, there's something wrong with her.

Speaker 2: 7:26

Yeah, it's not you, it's not the situation, it's her. There's something wrong with her.

Speaker 1: 7:30

And then that just causes a whole lot of other issues. Yes, number two, size. Yeah, let's all just talk about it for a second.

Speaker 2: 7:42

What you see on porn is not normal you said I'm not normal when you see you wish you see me in the shower all I'm saying is is that when you see 9, 10, 11 inches yeah, that's not right, it's, that's not normal.

Speaker 1: 8:01

the average, uh, the average male penis is just over five centimeters. Sorry, five centimeters, five inches.

Speaker 2: 8:11

Okay, fun fact. I can't really call it a fact, but they did a study male-sized penises. Completely getting off topic again, what country or what region do you think has the largest?

Speaker 1: 8:26

penis size. I know this. I watched a tiktok video that talked about this the other day. Um ecuador, ecuador, yeah. Um ghana, uh-huh. I'm pretty sure ghana was the top yep, and there was some.

Speaker 2: 8:43

There was one that I did not see coming el salvador, el salvador, yeah I think el salvador is like 5.6 or 5.7 inches, whereas, like the rest of the world, is 5.1 something. Yeah, so it's marginally bigger, but yeah, if you're a size queen, el salvador is the place. Actually, I've been to el salvador. It's not a very fucking nice place.

Speaker 1: 9:03

I once had a girlfriend from el salvador. Yes, I said a girlfriend. That's not a very fucking nice place. I once had a girlfriend from El Salvador. Yes, I said a girlfriend. That's another episode, we'll get into that. Was she hung? She had some tickle bitties, I can tell you that much.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Oh, I like that.

Speaker 1: 9:15

Cool, but yeah, so that's another thing is I think it's a huge issue and that's not just for kids, I think that's just anybody watching porn. Yeah, that guys do think that that's normal or I'm not big enough. Yeah, because they watch porn and they see the smallest. The smallest penis they see on porn would be, let's say, seven, eight inches. Yeah, absolutely seven inches is big. That's in the one to two percent of people. That's big, yeah. So you're, listen, little johnny, with your little four inch.

Speaker 2: 9:53

I shouldn't say little johnny little johnny is a completely average johnny, four inches completely average, johnny, at your five inches.

Speaker 1: 10:01

Six inches, you're normal, you're fine, you're good At the end of the day. Look, I don't know much about vaginas, but I do know that the female vagina is only a few inches deep.

Speaker 2: 10:12

I think it's like three inches deep and not aroused. When aroused, it only goes to six inches. Six inches.

Speaker 1: 10:17

So there's no point having a nine-inch cock, exactly Because like a third. But it's not a length, but exactly it's the girth. It's about the girth, it's about the girth. You have to be honest.

Speaker 2: 10:31

Because the clitoris and because the way nerves work. Like having a cock shoved up against a uterus.

Speaker 1: 10:38

apparently is not a nice experience, Not a nice feeling and I'll be honest with you as a gay male that has bottomed a few times in my life long is not as fun. As fat as fat. There we go, there you go, mic drop, let's just get out of here.

Speaker 2: 10:56

We're done, that's episode done, guys.

Speaker 1: 10:58

That's all you needed to know.

Speaker 2: 11:00

And we've just mic dropped on something that is completely unrelated to what we were talking about and we've just mic dropped on something that is completely unrelated to what we were talking about.

Speaker 1: 11:11

So, yes, those are my two things that I think are negatives when it comes to porn. One other thing I will say is that I have to bring it up, that I think also the ease of having porn available to you can be a problem, because this is something I wrote down that I wanted to bring up is the whole Twitter porn on Twitter. So that is it's everywhere. Now it's everywhere, so everyone has, whereas before I mean when we were kids, it was magazines in a special place that you got them from. There was no ordering from the internet. It was going to a shop that, as a kid, you couldn't go into. So I mean, I remember the first porn video I watched I might have been 10 years old and was a mate of mine found it from his dad or uncle's stash and I was like, oh my God. So for me it's just the readiness and availability of porn that means that anybody can get it. Yeah, little kids under the age of 10 can, if they wanted to find quite easily porn, and they are and they are.

Speaker 2: 12:18

There were some stats that came out a few years back that were saying that the average age for first consumption of porn is 10 or 11. That's ridiculous, and it really is because you're still in your formative years.

Speaker 1: 12:33

Your brain's still squishy.

Speaker 2: 12:34

Yeah, and like parents are putting all these blocks on certain sites, but you don't get your porn from certain sites anymore.

Speaker 1: 12:42

Exactly, you get your porn from.

Speaker 2: 12:44

Twitter, from Reddit, from Instagram, from TikTok Like we were just talking about before we got on air about TikTok and how you can't put the word sex education in a TikTok, whatever it is real or whatever, but you can basically show your hoochie on there and yeah, it's all good.

Speaker 1: 13:06

The amount of guys in their gray sweatpants with, you know, half chub swinging it over there. That's fine, that's okay, you can see that, no problem. But dare you write the word sex, yeah and upload?

Speaker 2: 13:17

sorry, can't do it, but parents aren't getting that, so their kids are getting exposed to it. Now, what is happening is that that age of first exposure, that's an issue. Yes, because the brain can't correlate these things as we do as adults. Adults, yeah, and what is happening is they are having issues later on in life with understanding what real sexual behavior is right. They're under. They're having troubles understanding that, hey, my body is a normal body.

Speaker 2: 13:52

Yes, what I see in porn is not normal exactly, and these things are all happening because there's no education there.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Yes, right also because they're too. You're not thinking that your 10 year old, yes, is consuming it, so there is no education at that point.

Speaker 2: 14:08

It's like I've got a few years before I can talk to my kids about that yeah, and like you're, realistically, most parents are just sitting there going oh you know, one day you'll find a boy or a girl that you really like. Yes, not. Hey. Did you see the latest youtube of that chick getting her ass pounded by a fucking fire hydrant? Exactly, you know. But that's the reality of what's happening here, and these kids are growing up with a whole heap of issues around that, especially related to sexual behaviors and especially related to their physical identity and their body identity. So, specifically with men Yep Right, this happens a lot with men. Basically, there's a whole heap of guys that are coming out there now with all these issues around their size yes because that's what they're saying, they're seeing, they're seeing all the time.

Speaker 2: 15:03

Girls don't really get that too much.

Speaker 1: 15:05

They do get it they obviously do get it but it's not.

Speaker 1: 15:07

But it's not as bad as guys, because a little bit off topic, but important to note that with that you, you saw porn. Like I say again, it was a very small window where you could get your porn from, yeah, so if I only saw in magazines and I saw this dude with a I don't know 10 inch cock or whatever, okay, cool. But I could also if I was, if I was a little bit smart enough to go well, that's not real because it's in a magazine, yes, or it's a porn actor, but now we don't have porn actors. The majority of porn we see and we consume is real people. Yeah, and fans are lots of them, only fans.

Speaker 1: 15:53

Yeah, this is someone sitting in their lounge, flopping it out, playing with it, putting it online. So then we go from. Well, before I thought it was just actors and people were these um, companies were specifically targeting and getting dudes that have 11, 10 inch dicks, whereas now I'm seeing someone sitting in their lounge and I see a hundred of them. Oh god, does that mean that everybody actually is bigger than me? Yeah, because these are normal quote-unquote people versus actors. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2: 16:32

yeah, and I think with that, though, you've got to have a look statistically at what's going on right. Let's say there's 100,000 OnlyFans accounts of men getting their bits out. What percentage of that is representative of the?

Speaker 1: 16:51

entire population. But that thing is that the 1% of the ones that are in the 1% that everyone watches are the ones that obviously have the biggest dicks, for example, and they feel more comfortable putting their dicks out there, because they are, and that's the whole point.

Speaker 1: 17:08

So if we have got you know, um four minutes, four billion men in the world, and one million of those men are on tiktok or only fans. They're the comfortable ones because they know they got 11, 12 inches exactly and they're going to make money from it. Yeah, so they go, let me go. Let me go on only fans. There might be two million men on only fans and the other million are just average size, but the ones that you're seeing are the big ones. Yeah, but at the end of the day, no one's thinking like this. You're not thinking rationally when you're scrolling through a feed of just you know because huge dicks.

Speaker 2: 17:50

We're generally trying to get turned on by something that pushes boundaries. That's the way the human sexuality works, right. We get turned on by things that are a little bit taboo, a little bit pushing boundaries, I think as well, with the male and female side of that. Men represented in porn. Big dicks, huge muscles yeah, that's it, yeah, right. Whereas women you've got big beautiful women, big beautiful black women, every possible. You've got big tits, small tits yeah, you know, there's ones with like labia sticking out.

Speaker 1: 18:25

No, labia sticking out hairy small squirt is not, squirt is everything redheads blondes, whereas what dudes? It's literally just. We just need a guy with a big dick and muscles.

Speaker 2: 18:35

Yeah, it doesn't matter what color they are, what they look like you just need that. That's it yep, so there's a massive gulf in the way that these things are represented and I think as well there's a massive gulf in the porn that people watch. So for guys it's normally a bit more hardcore. Yeah, gay straight, I imagine. Yes, you're into more hardcore porn. Yeah, I think that's just male psyche, right.

Speaker 1: 19:03

But I do also think that's another that was a point that I forgot about. That's the negative that watching a lot of porn kind of what's the word I'm looking for, it tells your brain to what's the word I'm looking for here, Desensitize it.

Speaker 1: 19:21

Desensitize, thank you, desensitize each certain thing. So then you keep on going for more, for more and more and more, yeah, and then realize that doesn't do it for me and I keep scrolling for something that does, and then I find one thing that's just like, and then, from that, then that after a while, if I'm watching it every single day, I'll be very honest with you I'm at that point where I do consume a lot of porn. Yep, to the point where I will sit and scroll and scroll, and scroll and scroll and scroll and I'm not lying, I can scroll for 10 minutes and not be turned on at all or aroused, yeah, because I've seen so much.

Speaker 2: 20:02

Have you heard of a thing called sexual conditioning? No, all right. So there's been various studies done on this where basically arousal has been linked to an object or a stimulus input. They did it with a penny jar, I think there was some sexual images. And then they even did it with rats right, they put these little jackets on these rats.

Speaker 1: 20:39

Okay.

Speaker 2: 20:40

And they gave them an orgasm.

Speaker 1: 20:43

Okay.

Speaker 2: 20:44

And then they kept putting the jackets on the rats and kept giving them orgasms, until the point where they stopped putting the jackets on the rats and the rats couldn't orgasm Without the jackets, without the jackets, right? So it's called sexual conditioning and that, basically, is what we're doing with porn. Mm-hmm, we are habituating pornography, yes, to the point where we're tricking our brains into going. I need that to orgasm, and because most of our orgasms are with ourselves and a bit of porno.

Speaker 1: 21:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:27

We're telling our brain hey, I need that stimulus in order to come.

Speaker 1: 21:31

Yes.

Speaker 2: 21:32

Right. So it is happening where people are just wanking off to porn all the time.

Speaker 1: 21:40

And that's the problem, isn't it? Because I'm not talking from experience here or anything that when you are doing it by yourself a lot, you know how to get yourself off, and you know how to get yourself off quickly. Yeah, because nobody gets you off. No one gets you off better than you right.

Speaker 2: 21:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:57

But then the crap side of that is that when you are in a situation, when you're with another person, it becomes maybe a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 2: 22:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:07

Because this person is, because I I don't know I wank every night before bed, maybe once or twice a day. I'm not saying I do, I'm just hypothetically.

Speaker 2: 22:18

Even if you did.

Speaker 1: 22:19

All good, it is what it is. Mum, please don't listen to this. If I'm doing that every single day the time when I'm going to have sex, it might just not be that good because of refractory period okay, guys have this.

Speaker 2: 22:37

Yep, girls not so much, so girls can come or female bodies can come multiple times. Yes, right, very, very small refractory period yep, for the most part, guys, when we unload 20 minutes, 20 minutes, yeah, most times.

Speaker 1: 22:54

I find it so funny how sometimes why am I saying it like I'm the straight one here that girls don't know that? Yeah, they don't. They don't realize that you need.

Speaker 2: 23:04

You need a period of time to be able to build the weapon.

Speaker 1: 23:07

I have a question to ask you?

Speaker 1: 23:09

yeah, because I was asked. I was we're talking about this and we literally was talking to two girls about this and saying you know, we need, we need time. We need like 20 minutes to half an hour to 45 minutes sometimes to reboot. And I said yeah, and also like, if we do it too much, it hurts, yes, and their eyes were like what do you mean? And I'm like no, no, like it physically hurts for me, like after three rounds it's painful. Oh, you mean your balls, no, your dick, oh, yeah, rounds it's painful. Oh, you mean your balls, no, your dick, oh, yeah. So this is yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:46

So this is the thing is I want to ask you because I, back in the day I used to I can't say a specific thing, because if someone hears this, they're gonna know it's them um, would go two, three rounds, uh-huh. After the third round it felt like my dick was throbbing, yeah, like it was about to explode, like it had too much blood in. It was going to explode on the fourth round and I just could not do it, friction it, but that's the thing is like I don't think that girls understand that big. I think. Maybe they think because it's getting inserted into them. Yeah, that it all for all bottoms. When it comes to the gay community, yeah, it's only painful for the bottom because you're the one that's getting it. No, it's pretty fucking sore as well, for the dude doing it Totally.

Speaker 2: 24:41

Totally it's. But I mean what I say is 10,000 nerve endings in the clitoris, yep, there's 4,000 to 5,000 in the head of the penis. So in the glands of the penis, yep, not much in the shaft and there is not many like. There are obviously nerve endings within the vagina. Not that many nerve endings actually inside the vagina as compared to the outside of the vagina. So when a penis is in the vagina, cool, right, the stimulation is coming from the guy's side of things.

Speaker 2: 25:13

Yes, because the glands is getting constant friction all the time exactly inside the vagina it's like, oh okay, I feel the pressure and that's nice, but the main thing is that slapping on the clip, yes, because that's where my nerve endings are, but for the guys it's, it's in there and um, the biggest problem with that is you can't just keep on going and going and going. Yes, other guys have got great stamina, some not so much, but when you've blown your load four times, that's usually saying that you've had a lot of sex. That time, yes, and those nerves are a little bit sensitive, exactly, way too sensitive.

Speaker 2: 25:54

Don't want to do that, don't come near me, don't touch me, yeah, but yeah, that refractory period though. Imagine this You've got a hot day, hott, hottest guy you've ever seen. All right, you haven't had a wank for a month. Oh, you are getting to that. You're getting to that day, everything goes good. See that person in the bedroom and then all of a sudden, it's like oh, yes, I am ready to go. Your whole body is just like oh, my fucking God, I'm ready for this. Okay, because it's been so long between orgasms for a guy that the refractory period is not a problem. Yes, if you have a wank an hour before having sex, likelihood is you're going to struggle to get an erection, let alone be able to perform to your best Perform yeah, exactly Right.

Speaker 2: 26:51

So that's why people are sitting there going. Porn is such an issue and porn is giving guys erectile dysfunction, right, because they're watching so much of it and wanking off to it so much that when it comes time for them to be able to perform in a bedroom-.

Speaker 1: 27:03

They can't.

Speaker 2: 27:04

They can't do it because they've wanked off five times that day. Yep, right, so it becomes like a compulsive habit. It's not the porn.

Speaker 1: 27:11

That's a problem.

Speaker 2: 27:11

It's the compulsion to watch it, or the compulsion to pull your own cock. Exactly Right, and that's where things get problematic. So it doesn't actually cause erectile dysfunction? Of course not. So whatever you see out there on fucking social media, watching porn does not cause erectile dysfunction. What is more likely to cause erectile dysfunction? Alcohol, drugs, drugs, yep, depression and anxiety and poor physical health. So if you're really that fucking worried about getting an erection or losing an erection, get your fucking fat ass into a gym, stay off the booze and stop smoking pot Like.

Speaker 1: 28:05

I mean Fine, jesus, call me up, why don't you?

Speaker 2: 28:13

I'll go to the gym and stop smoking pot. It's just like. It just gets my goat that one. It gets my goat that people sit there and go, oh it's porn, it's a problem.

Speaker 1: 28:23

Well, it's the easiest thing to point at, because if I point at porn and say porn's the issue, I don't have to be accountable for any other of my actions and my lifestyles and what I'm doing and not doing. That's right, because you can blame it on something else, because I blame something else and porn's already got the negative.

Speaker 2: 28:35

There's nothing to do with the fact that.

Speaker 1: 28:37

I have like what, 10 cones Ken binge drinking, nothing to do with that. Yeah, because I like that, I'm not going to stop that.

Speaker 2: 28:46

So I'm not going to blame that, but I can't blame it on what the rest of society is blaming shit on.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Yes, exactly. Oh, I saw on TikTok that someone said it's porn cause ED yeah, done yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:56

No, it's fucked. So that's myth number two done, I think as well. You mentioned religion.

Speaker 1: 29:07

Yep.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Religion is a fucking massive thing. Religion is a huge thing. So there was a study done and that study basically turned around and said okay, what is a main people who are reporting porn addiction and porn overuse. What's the problem there? Most of the people came from highly religious organizations or had highly religious families and backgrounds, so the religion was a precursor to them having a problem with porn Of course.

Speaker 2: 29:41

In that study as well. They also looked, and they had a look at whether porn was actually a problem or not. Mm-hmm, porn wasn't actually a problem in their life. That wasn't. It was the people's perception of porn. Yep, and then here's a kicker as well, and this is part that I found was like really fucking crazy. How long do you think that these people reported watching porn per day? Or was it per day or per week? Whatever it was, but per day or per week.

Speaker 1: 30:15

I'm going to say, like I don't know, 20 minutes a day.

Speaker 2: 30:18

I think it was like 15 minutes a week they watched in total. Really yeah, but it was because of the way that their minds have been conditioned by their religion and by their social and cultural backgrounds, yep, that they seen it as such a negative that even 15 minutes was sinful enough.

Speaker 1: 30:37

That was enough for them.

Speaker 2: 30:38

Yeah, those motherfuckers were going to sit down and watch Netflix for 25 hours in a week.

Speaker 1: 30:43

I'll be honest with you, though, in saying that, on my own personal experience, at some point I decided to be celibate. It was like for a year or two, right? Didn't even I tried not to watch porn. Didn't do that, right? I would if I was on Instagram and I just saw something a little bit racy, which back then they would have a little more racier Bruh. It might as well have been the dirtiest fucking porn you've ever seen in your life, because it was. My brain was just going woo, because sexual conditioning Because I hadn't watched it for so long Anything sexual was getting me going, which was for me.

Speaker 1: 31:29

I was like, okay, this is amazing, yeah, but at the same time, I felt terrible for watching it, because I had made the pact with myself that I'm not going to do it. So you'd already said that it was a negative. It was a negative. I didn't want to do it. I wanted to stop doing it for a while so I can come. I completely understand where those people are coming from, because I remember, even if I saw something on instagram that got me aroused, yeah, and maybe I was like, well, okay, cool, I'm just gonna go have some alone time by myself in the bedroom I felt bad because I was like oh, damn it, like I gave in kind of thing and yeah, and that wasn't even watching porn. So I can completely understand that only that 15 minutes a day would be enough for them. If you've conditioned yourself, if you've conditioned yourself to that point where you don't quote unquote need it? Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 32:27

That makes total sense it's sort of fucked up there a little bit. You can't watch something which is, I'm going to say, entirely normal now for people to be watching.

Speaker 1: 32:37

Well, the thing is it's a different story, like, for me, it was a choice that I made. It wasn't. It wasn't anybody making a choice for me, forcing me to do it, making me feel bad that I had to do it. It was just a choice that I made. But for people out there that are feeling like it is something that they forced, they shouldn't do and should feel bad and should feel shame from doing, yeah, that's messed up, yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:02

Yeah, that's not great at all. I found this little stat as well, which is great, and let me just read this one out to you. So this comes from a study done by a guy called David Lay, nicole Pross and Peter Finn. So they say that religious conflict was the main reason cited for problems viewing porn. In one study, those who want treatment for sex addiction are also more likely to be members of organized religion and hold strong religious values. However, the reverse was not true. Religiosity explained little variance in the decision to use porn. Far more people report feeling an inability to control their porn use than actual report life difficulties resulting from their porn use. And that religiosity explained little variance was only three percent. So basically, people are still using porn, yep, despite the fact that they are religious of course but they're reporting big problems because they are religious.

Speaker 2: 34:12

Go figure.

Speaker 1: 34:14

It's such a hard one. Hey, like two things. You never speak about religion and politics.

Speaker 2: 34:21

And sex? Definitely don't talk about sex. Look, this is true.

Speaker 1: 34:25

You will fall down a rabbit hole and you won't come back out. Don't Stop, stop. I'm only into, like we said before, I'm only into arguments. Oh, funny times, fun times, oh man. So are we done? My question is are we done with the bad?

Speaker 2: 34:42

No.

Speaker 1: 34:43

There's more bad Apparently, apparently.

Speaker 2: 34:49

I don't believe it. No um apparently porn causes mental health issues okay, causes, causes, mental health.

Speaker 1: 34:56

There's a very that's, that's a, that's that's a reach. Maybe that can it. Can it contribute to certain kinds of mental health issues? Maybe, maybe, cause that's a stretch.

Speaker 2: 35:13

No. So, again, few studies have come back from this, and porn use increases with your level of mental health problems. Okay, so it is not something that causes, but it is something that is a consequence of. So if you've got depression and anxiety, you're far more likely to consume far more porn, right At which point it becomes a massive issue.

Speaker 1: 35:40

But then now people are putting one on one together and coming up with 17 and going oh, porn is a problem, the porn was a problem.

Speaker 2: 35:45

This guy didn't have depression and before the porn caused that yep. So that's where it's at, yep. Um, they did a dutch study, I think. Um, so dutch, like adolescents, and they were basically came out, came out from that saying that mental health problems don't follow porn use, but also that lower life satisfaction. So the worse that you felt about your life, the higher your porn use went.

Speaker 1: 36:23

That kind of makes sense, though. That makes sense, makes lots of sense.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Because you're looking for fun.

Speaker 1: 36:28

For example, I'm depressed. Yeah, I'm sitting at home, refuse to go out anywhere, don't want to do anything. Jordan, let's be honest, there's two men sitting here. Let the ladies know out there, because I think the ladies don't understand this how many times out of, let's say, five times?

Speaker 2: 36:45

Am I watching Titanic and crying to Kate Winslet? How do you know?

Speaker 1: 36:50

When you're. If you were out of those times, how many times are you doing it out of just pure boredom? Oh listen, quite a few, exactly so. My point being If you're sitting at home and because you're depressed and you just don't want to go out, you don't want to do anything. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:04

What are you going to do? Comfort, wank? A comfort, wank a comfort wank like what do you do?

Speaker 1: 37:09

when? What do you do when you comfort wank?

Speaker 2: 37:11

I'm going to pick my phone up and go on to yeah twitter unless you've had like a really hot sexual experience like a week or two before. But again.

Speaker 1: 37:18

If you've watched a lot of porn, yeah, and you've conditioned you're going to need that porn to get off.

Speaker 2: 37:23

That's right, even though I'm just bored, and I just want to do this because I'm bored fuck it, I'm just going to open my phone up and watch porn, so it's like a quick hit. It's a quick hit, it's literally the same as you're saying as food addiction.

Speaker 1: 37:34

I'm going to get up and go to the fridge and just grab whatever I can. Yeah, I'm just going to go into my pants and grab whatever I can. Not much, oh God.

Speaker 2: 37:49

Yeah, I think that's totally right, like a lot of guys are wanking out of boredom.

Speaker 1: 37:53

Yes, of course they do, and I'm going to say a large percentage of the time.

Speaker 2: 37:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:59

You do it because you've got nothing else to do. I had a spare five minutes, so why not?

Speaker 2: 38:06

And as well like what are people doing with their time? These days? I'm walking around the streets and I'm not seeing very many people out. And when I do, I see those motherfuckers with their necks craned down at their phone.

Speaker 1: 38:20

People are sitting at home watching Netflix, stan, disney. That's what they do. I'll tell you right now I'm not even going to pretend like it's not me I'm one of those people.

Speaker 2: 38:30

And how much of that content that you're consuming is sexualized. A fucking lot A lot of it. Like did you know that Disney back in the 1950s were making like when a woman got injured or when a female got injured in one of their films? It was like oh, oh, oh, so that when guys could close their eyes they could imagine somebody having an orgasm. That was like a real thing. Oh my God, disney, disney's got a fucking lot to answer for.

Speaker 2: 38:59

Bro, yes, my choice in women is down to fucking. Disney Like, okay, you have a look at my wife's body and then you have a look at Princess Jasmine.

Speaker 1: 39:08

Touche, hmm, touche, motherfucker, touche, hmm, yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:12

Can't watch Disney, can't watch Aladdin with my son. Do you know what? Can't do it. I'm just thinking Fuck Disney.

Speaker 1: 39:17

I'm just thinking about all of the beautiful male bodies from Disney, hmm, I'm telling you Okay, all right, I might have to agree with you on that one.

Speaker 2: 39:29

So we are being conditioned for sex from get-go, before we realize it.

Speaker 1: 39:37

Before we even realize it. As parents and as people, yes, Right.

Speaker 2: 39:40

So when we pick up our phone now and you see I don't know Kim K Bruh, our phone now and you see I don't know kim k our, you see jasmine, same body type, same hair color, same everything you know it's sexual content. Bang, I see her. Okay, I mean everything, everything you look at adverts, um anything.

Speaker 1: 40:04

You pick your phone up and you go on social media. Everything is sexualized, everything, everything like, and then the people want to talk about porn's bad yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2: 40:15

I mean, fuck sakes, remember back in the 90s when, um, what was it? Pretty fly for a white guy came out by the offspring.

Speaker 1: 40:22

stop giving away our age. J Jesus, we're old as fuck. Three five for a white guy, right. And I remember there were several boxes of Kleenex that disappeared in our house because of those chicks in gold hot pants.

Speaker 2: 40:42

You're hilarious Teenage boy. And that was that as a teenage boy. Now, oh, cardi B and Nicki Minaj Bro, you don't? I mean, I'm fairly certain I've seen her asshole in a video clip that was on at 10 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1: 41:00

Look, but that is the point, is that you can watch a music video. That's right and go. This is softcore porn. Yeah, can watch a music video. That's right and go. This is soft core porn. Yeah, and in our day, if that was on anywhere, that would be r18.

Speaker 2: 41:15

This is hardcore pornography so we are being sexually conditioned every single second of the day, yeah, by what we're consuming. So of course we're going to seek out that more extreme form of porn. This is true, right. Of course we're going to seek out that more extreme form of porn. This is true, right. Of course we're going to seek that out, because seeing a girl's ass these days is not a thing, because Nicki Minaj and 55,000 other people are also putting their asses out there every day.

Speaker 1: 41:45

And that lends itself back to what we're talking in the beginning about the kids, that you're being conditioned with everything you see. They've been conditioned with everything they see being sexualized. Then they so they're thinking about the sex 24-7. Then they go look for the sex on Twitter or wherever, see porn. And then they want to go have sex with girls and treat the girls like how they'd be treated in the porn videos and think that that's normal, because no motherfuckers are having a conversation with them about this. And then, once again, it comes back to what we've spoken about. Almost every episode is that this is why we have this podcast, because we're talking about it, because we're talking about it educating, and we need to yeah, Because you're talking about educating and we need to, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:26

So one of the biggest moments for me, like there was like oh shit moment. I had a group of students older students, so 15 to 20, this bunch of students were, and one of them came up to me one day after a sex ed lesson and said hey, mister, where can I get one of those paddle things from? And I'm like, why would you want one of those? It's like, oh well, I'm hoping to have sex with my girlfriend and that's what I need, because I see it in the videos I'm watching. And I'm like, oh, have you talked to your girlfriend about this? No, no at all.

Speaker 2: 43:08

But I see it in the video so I'm going to get one and I'm going to smack her ass while I'm banging her from behind. Yeah, dude, you can't just fucking do that. Why not, bro, that's assault, that is assault and I literally said that's assault and this kid could not understand.

Speaker 1: 43:27

What the problem was.

Speaker 2: 43:28

What the problem was? Because he was seeing it and you've seen the headlines this week where there's a whole spate of new sexual stranglings. No, that's going on, yeah, oh shit. Right, so happening with young adolescent kids, right, because?

Speaker 1: 43:44

they're watching Because they're watching porn. And they're strangling, Non-consensual strangling and not understanding that. You need to talk about that. Have safe words, understand when to stop.

Speaker 2: 43:54

There's so much into it and like breath play is the fucking hardest thing in the world for people to understand, because, like it's such a fine, delicate balance. Yeah, but yeah, all of this shit is going on because people aren't educated about it, whereas if it was like somebody at least sat a kid down and said, hey, porn, not real. Porn is not real. It is like the marvel to real life. Yes, you don't see the incredible Hulk running around smashing fucking cars 55 feet in the air, exactly Because that's not real.

Speaker 1: 44:26

You don't see that's TV. But again, this is what I'm saying is that back in the day, we could reconcile the fact that it's actors, it's on TV, it's in a video, Whereas now it's? I saw that on Twitter. I saw that on twitter. I saw that on only fans and it was a normal person meeting another normal person and they had sex and that's what they did. So then it has to be normal and because it's amateur, and because it's amateur, it's real.

Speaker 1: 44:53

It's real, and that's what you do, and if I watch 20 videos of that amateur porn and think, well, that's normal, I can do that. But it's not amateur anymore, though, is it? It's not amateur At the end of the day. What people and especially the kids that don't understand is that these content creators are doing it to make money. Yeah, and the only difference is they don't have a company that's standing behind them filling the bill for those movies. That's the only difference. It's just them. They are the bosses.

Speaker 2: 45:27

They create the content, they meet up with people, they create the storylines for themselves, and they do it, and it's so fucking edited that the person who's watching it doesn't understand that there's a whole process to that sex right there is.

Speaker 1: 45:44

This is why flirting and exactly.

Speaker 2: 45:46

You know discussions around it. There is physical touch, there's consent, there's that's what I don't like lubrication I don't like.

Speaker 1: 45:56

I do not like porn, like proper, proper porn. I like watching people that record their own videos. Yeah, even if it's a one minute video, I would prefer that, because I know it's real. It's a real person that just decided you know what? I'm just gonna record myself and my partner, or just me, by myself. They record it and they put it up and that's real sex. Yeah, and it's for me. I want the fantasy of thinking I'm there, yeah, and that's how it's going to be, not seeing oh, my gosh, oh no, stepbrother, I have fallen and can't get out and my ass is showing. Like that's not real, that's not going to happen maybe not for you.

Speaker 2: 46:40

No, oh god, probably has happened somewhere in the world. Probably has. Look, I'm not saying it hasn't happened but like that's still not real.

Speaker 1: 46:50

So for me I like, when I say amateur, I literally mean the real, real amateur, someone putting up a video, yeah, of them doing something, yeah, yeah, because it's real.

Speaker 2: 47:02

I don't want fake, I don't want the fake, oh, yeah, and that's where I think porn is now starting to trend yes more towards that. Yeah, um yeah, it's fucking messed up. It is really really messed up how it is. There's there's no education around it at all. Really, I know, within a government school system, there's no education around porn and there's no education from parents. There's no education.

Speaker 1: 47:30

No parent is going to sit down. Well, no parent. I feel like a very small percentage of very large percentage of parents are not going to sit down with their kids and talk about porn. But talk about porn. But talk about about porn openly? Yeah, not from a, you know, just negative, negative, negative. You don't do this, you don't just watch porn, you don't? Rather than going, okay, cool, hey, let's sit down. Do you know what porn is? Yeah, have you seen it? What have you seen? Let's talk about what you've seen. I just want to let you know a, b, c, d, e this is E, this is not real, blah, blah, blah, just so you're aware. So, when you watch it, watch it and consume and enjoy, but know that that is a movie Like you're watching Marvel. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 48:08

And there's, I think there's so much shame that gets attached to it Exactly, and that's why people Don't have conversations, because it's all shame.

Speaker 2: 48:14

Yeah, and it's like literally, the dad is sitting down in the morning having a wank watching porn, collars the sun for doing it in the afternoon and loads a whole heap of shame on him.

Speaker 1: 48:24

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 48:27

I was talking to another sex educator a few months back and they were telling me about this particular case where a kid was watching porn. A 14, 15-year-old kid was watching porn and they were doing it quite a lot. Okay, which 14, 15-year-old boys? That's what they do. 15 year old kid was watching porn and they were doing it quite a lot. Okay, which 14 15 year old boys? That's what they do. If you've got access to it, you're doing, it, gonna do it right.

Speaker 2: 48:47

The parent or carer, whoever it was, um basically found out about it and put out so much shame on this kid. From that point on, the kid could not talk about sex at all without massive amounts of shame. Yeah, what is that going to do for that kid exactly?

Speaker 1: 49:08

you have mess. You're going to mess that kid up more than help them, because you think that, oh, if I make them feel shameful, yeah, they won't do it. Yeah, but you're messing up in so many more ways. Have a conversation, and they're still't do it. Yeah, but you're messing up in so many more ways. Have a conversation and they're still going to do it.

Speaker 2: 49:23

They're just going to hide it from you.

Speaker 1: 49:24

They're still going to do it. This is what I don't understand about adults. Adults forget that they were kids at one stage and forget the way we thought and the stupid shit we used to do Did we ever listen to our parents. Let's be honest.

Speaker 2: 49:39

No, did we ever listen to our?

Speaker 1: 49:40

parents, let's be honest, no, no, never, even when they said don't do this, do this, you're like, okay, cool Turn around and go do it.

Speaker 2: 49:45

No, yeah, and that's it. There's no point putting shame on there, because what are you doing? It's fucking them up later on.

Speaker 1: 49:52

Conversations Like that. Kid's never going to be able to have a conversation with a partner about sex and it's going to put us put them right, right where we're talking about. Yeah, shame sex can't do it yeah, it's fucked up.

Speaker 2: 50:14

All right, let's move on to the good. I'm tired, let's do the good. Let's do the good, all right. Porn I love and not from like a personal side of things because, like I'm not a heavy porn consumer okay um, but I love it because it allows people to start exploring their kinks, their fetishes, like like like?

Speaker 1: 50:32

what sexual like if they're?

Speaker 2: 50:33

like armpits, armpits, armpits, feet. No, whatever you're into, like, I think it's just such a really good safe tool. I'll put that with the caveat so long as you've been educated that it's not real yes, right so let's just from moving forward.

Speaker 1: 50:52

Everything we're talking about is from the perspective that you're educated, understanding.

Speaker 2: 50:57

This is not not real yes, yep, that people are getting paid for it and that's that, yes, so I think that it's a great tool for people to explore, like we talked about in the last episode, how my wife and I did the 30 days of porn thing. Yes, that was a complete exploration tool.

Speaker 1: 51:15

To be honest, that is such a cool idea. It's such a cool idea, it's such a cool idea.

Speaker 2: 51:20

You find things out about yourself.

Speaker 1: 51:22

Yes.

Speaker 2: 51:23

And it's weird, right, like how you can see a sexual act happening and nothing is firing in your head, oh yeah. And then there is something that you would sit there and like regular day-to-day things and be like I'm not into that, you see it, and like oh, oh damn, exactly, I'm not into that.

Speaker 1: 51:43

You see it and like, oh, oh damn, exactly like I. There's been many times where I've been flicking and come across something and go, oh, why am I feeling like that? Do I like that? And then I'll go into it and start watching the same kind of videos and go, holy heck, I didn't, I did not know that that's something that I would be into, and realized it's like it literally develops into a kink and and I don't think look to be fair, I don't think I'm a very kinky person. Yeah, I'm pretty, it's only vanilla thing about me, but I'm not that kind of person.

Speaker 1: 52:15

But I've noticed just through watching porn that there's a lot of things that I've realized oh cool, I'm into that, which is cool at the end of the day. Sex life is important and for me it's a bit different because I don't have a partner. But if I'm going to meet different people, I would rather be watching porn just to see what different things that are out there that I might be into, so that when I do meet someone that goes, oh hey, I'm into this, and go, oh cool, I've seen that again, with the caveat that it's not real. But seeing something gone. Okay, cool, I think I could. I could do that. I could be into that, I could try that, yeah, and let's be real as well.

Speaker 2: 52:56

Right, the majority of people are working nine to five. Yep, they travel once a year. Biggest thing that happens in their life well, their day-to-day sort of circumstances. They might have a good deal at work, they might get a promotion, might have a birthday party, so there's fuck, all happening, happening. Right, there is no exploration, there's no boundary pushing, there is no way to push yourself. Yes, there are like the old people out there that do crazy shit on a weekend or something, but for most of us, there is no way that we can do that. Yes, enter sex. Sex is a one area where you can push your boundaries to a point where you go okay, I've had enough. Yes, that's my limit.

Speaker 1: 53:46

And that's between you and that person, just you and that person, or people, or even you and yourself, or you and the people, you and other people, heaps of different people, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 53:54

Right Together in a room.

Speaker 1: 53:58

Everyone Outside, wherever it is.

Speaker 2: 54:02

But that's the one thing that you can do. That can push your boundaries, and porn is one of those mechanisms where you can discover what those boundaries are before it becomes a problem. Yes, so let's say, I don't know what's something, that's sort of like exhibitionism outside. Okay, let's say you figure out that you've got a little bit of a kink for that. Yeah, you start watching a bit of porno and you're like, oh shit, that's really hot. You start fantasizing about it. It's then that next step to going okay, well, I go outside and do it, yes, right, safely, safely, safely, in the correct ways, people. But you might go, okay, well, I can't really do that because there's consent issues, there's, you know, public display issues, there's legal issues, blah, blah, blah. So I can't do that, but I can fantasize it while watching porn, while I'm watching porn.

Speaker 1: 54:56

Right, I can't act on those instincts or impulses, but I can watch some porn and get morons off from it.

Speaker 2: 55:03

And it's my thing is what I'm really into. I'll follow it up in porn, but I won't follow it up in real life. I think they did a study on that as well. With child molestation yes. Pitophilia and like aggressive porn, aggressive sexual assaults yeah, porn doesn't actually increase that the likelihood of that happening.

Speaker 1: 55:29

It doesn't increase them wanting to do it. No, in fact it actually decreases the behavior Because they are kind of I know it's a gross thing to say, but they're getting off on seeing that, rather, and at the very least they're getting off and not wanting to act on those urges.

Speaker 2: 55:47

Yeah, so like, let's say, there is a person who looks under the age of 18, who is on a porno film and that person is getting off to that image. Yes, they are less likely to go out and do something. This has been done with studies. They're less likely to go out there and have a sexual abuse than they are to, you know, to not yes, so it's yeah, there's so many different aspects of porn.

Speaker 1: 56:17

right, and look at the end of the day, like, at the same time, no one's saying you have to watch porn and porn has to be your thing. But also, like we've said many times, don't yuck someone else's yum, because if it's something that you'd like to get into, you want to try, you want to do, go for gold, do it Watch. There's so many different genres that you can watch. Lord have mercy.

Speaker 2: 56:40

I've been through a lot of it, I ain't gonna lie. You've done your own 30 days, didn't you?

Speaker 1: 56:46

I sometimes even watch straight porn, to just be different and be like, okay, cool. Let me see how I feel about this.

Speaker 2: 56:53

Okay, heterosexual women yes, large percentage of them watch what type of porn.

Speaker 1: 56:59

I'm gonna say they watch gay porn. Yeah, they do, they do. Yeah, it's all about the gay porn. That is so funny, that's hilarious to me.

Speaker 2: 57:08

But when you think about it, what do you want to say? Dicks, dick, dick and dick Dick, passion, more dick, the more dick they can say.

Speaker 1: 57:25

But I have to say, though, for someone that has watched straight and gay porn, I'll tell you one thing that I find a huge difference between the two. I find that even studio produced porn, straight porn, looks so much less realistic than gay porn, but it is so much more Like. It is so much more, yeah, like it seems so old, like so fake, like just okay I'm sorry you're straight man.

Speaker 1: 57:47

You watch straight porn, but the screaming of the girls and oh, it's not real versus you watch a gay porn and the sounds that are coming out of those dudes sound like what I hear, or do. It sounds real. It doesn't sound like apart from the ones, the stupid ones you watch here and there. But for me the gay porn seems a lot more real than the straight porn.

Speaker 2: 58:13

That's totally true, and and it's way more realistic as well.

Speaker 1: 58:17

That's the other thing, like how you're saying with the kid with the paddle yeah, like you're not going to see a lot of that, unless you are specifically searching for that within gay porn. Yeah, like you. Frat boys hazing Okay, cool there's that, but majority of the time it's just called normal sex yeah, but with the hetero stuff we have so much more variety. Okay, I don't know if I 100% agree. You have a lot Okay.

Speaker 2: 58:51

There's fucking thousands of categories.

Speaker 1: 58:54

But okay, in saying that, how much gay porn have you watched? I'm going to say not a lot. So you're coming from a straight perspective of all these videos.

Speaker 2: 59:06

That's true.

Speaker 1: 59:07

I'm coming from the perspective of watching both.

Speaker 2: 59:10

Did I have like Latin and Indian and black male porn.

Speaker 1: 59:13

Literally anything and everything Big dicks, BBCs, black, white.

Speaker 2: 59:19

Okay, you think you're so good. Okay, go on. Do you have a squirting category for porn, gay porn?

Speaker 1: 59:24

Well, every male pretty much squirts. So yeah Fuck, there is literally a category for everything. We even got you know what you got MILFs. We got DILFs. You know what you got MILFs, we got DILFs. We got. You know, stepbrother, the trainee came in and was starting to fix the I don't know something. And the next minute, they the pool. They had a stroke.

Speaker 2: 59:55

They did have a stroke, had a stroke before the stroke, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:00:00

So, yeah, there's a lot of different things, just as much as straight ones. So, haha, sucked in.

Speaker 2: 1:00:05

Okay. Well, I'm not going to say I'm going to waste my time to go out there and watch it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:11

Oh, waste your time, huh.

Speaker 2: 1:00:13

Oh wow. It'd be a waste of time for me. I'd be sitting there going that's fantastic. Fellow's got a nice body, great cock.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

Look, you might learn a thing or two. You might learn a thing or two, who knows?

Speaker 2: 1:00:24

Listen, I totally would. I totally would Learn nothing I want to do. It's not applicable to my context, but sure I'd learn about it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:32

You know what? You would understand me more as a person, jordan, yes, yes, I would, no, I, yes, yes, no, I don't, I don't want you to understand any of that. That part of me, no, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:00:46

I think, like I was just having this thought of me watching gay porn would be the same as me being put in a room with Neil deGrasse Tyson who the hell is that? That's that sciencey dude that talks about space. He's like super fucking smart. Like you look at him and you're like your brain is huge. But like for me it's just like uh-huh, yeah, great. And how does that fit into my everyday life and how does that help me?

Speaker 1: 1:01:10

it doesn't.

Speaker 2: 1:01:11

It doesn't help you at all, mate just enjoy it and just keep going all right.

Speaker 2: 1:01:16

So a couple other things. Um, so we talked about how it can be education, a bit of exploration. It can normalize the things that you're into. Yep, you can find communities through it. I know, like if you go on reddit and probably twitter, there's a whole heap of people that are talking about all these things and you start up conversations with them and bloody, bloody, blah, yep, so you can normalize things. Um, one of the things I also like to sort of draw it back to is like there's this myth out there from, like the hyper masculine hetero community that's like, um, if you're watching porn, it can turn you gay. Oh god, nothing can turn you gay. Oh God, nothing can turn you gay. And there's been a study done and I think it came down to 0%, to 1% actually, of people who actually considered their sexuality.

Speaker 1: 1:02:15

Didn't change it, but considered their sexuality after watching porn. Can I just say this to all those people out there that want to say shit like this Whether you believe someone's born gay or not, I don't care. But let me put it this way I am a gay person that has been brought up in a straight world. I have had watched movies where every single couple is straight Yep. I've watched TV shows where every single couple is straight Yep. I've watched TV shows where every romantic thing is straight. Please explain to me how watching something gay is going to make you gay. Why am I not straight in that case? If everything around me is geared towards straight people and this is the thing is that whenever someone comes to me or comes at me with any kind of backlash against or pushback about being gay as a choice, it's this simple. Why would I choose it? Yeah, that literally ends the conversation. Why would anybody choose it?

Speaker 2: 1:03:17

If it's so much social stigma there is, so much.

Speaker 1: 1:03:20

I mean people get killed today for being gay. The person that's talking to me is literally coming at me with judgment. Why would I want to fucking go through any of this shit if it was a fucking choice? I can tell you now. If someone came to me and said, hey, do you want to be straight? Here's a pill. I'm not saying I would say yes, but I'm definitely considering it because life would be a whole lot easier if I was born straight. I would have a lot easier life for a lot of different reasons. Who's choosing it? So that bullshit of that? You're gonna watch porn and you're gonna fucking turn gay. Yeah, that just makes me so angry.

Speaker 2: 1:04:07

It's almost like you could. You could have the same sort of argument. You know walking down the street. See billboard brad pitt's on the billboard oh fuck, suddenly I'm gay exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:04:17

Oh, there's a good looking man. Oh god, I'm gay shit.

Speaker 1: 1:04:21

I watched a tiktok with this guy I said it made me laugh so hard to think that some straight men are this dumb. Where a guy goes he was a gay guy, I was talking to a straight guy and he goes oh yeah, nah, I don't. I don't wash my butt because that's gay. What he does not wash his arsehole because it is gay In his mind to touch his arsehole is gay. No, motherfucker, that is just bad hygiene. That's what that shit is. You stink, I suppose.

Speaker 2: 1:04:59

I suppose it would stop anybody from really wanting him. This is a good thing, male or female.

Speaker 1: 1:05:04

No one's going to want to go anywhere near you. Motherfucker. Holy fuck, people actually think like that. People actually think like that that you can. These little things are going to make you gay If you see two guys kissing. It's going to make you gay If you watch gay porn. Oh no, miraculously. Gay porn. Oh no, miraculously. Jordan the next podcast Jordan's going to come out and say he's gay because he watched gay porn. It ain't going to happen.

Speaker 2: 1:05:26

Well, actually I'm going to come out in the next podcast and say I'm a millionaire, because I'm going to go and watch millionaires tonight doing their thing.

Speaker 1: 1:05:33

Exactly, yeah, exactly. Fucking. So stupid people are just dumb. It hurts me. It fucking hurts me, sorry, back back on topic.

Speaker 2: 1:05:46

I keep on doing this all right, I think, um, I'm gonna end it up the same way I did on the last episode. I think we've narrowed it down. So I think we've narrowed it down. That porn isn't actually all that bad. Yes, considering that you know that it's not real.

Speaker 1: 1:06:06

My thing is, my takeaway from it is number one obviously, understand it's not real, like we both said, but the other thing is that understanding that you don't have to love porn, you don't have to watch porn. You may not watch a lot of it once in a while, that's also okay. Yeah, you can learn from other ways. But at the same time, if that's not for you, don't judge other people. If that's for them, yes, totally Explore it. If it's not for you, wicked, turn it off, don't watch it again.

Speaker 2: 1:06:38

Yep, but also also have open mind yeah, and I think what I'll leave it as is that we talked about it how watching porn together with as a couple, increases that communication. Right, it's been scientifically proven to increase sexual satisfaction between partners. All right, so porn you're talking about things Helps. You're exploring together. You're going to be more satisfied. There was also another study that came out had a look at men and women who watch porn over both the long-term and short-term periods. Yes, with guys, the more that you watch, the lower your sexual satisfaction and sexual ability goes. It's the exact opposite for women. Oh snap, exact opposite. For women, like I'll put this on Instagram there is a graph where it's like a perfect X, wow, and the more porn that women consume, the more they're into sex, the more satisfied they are, the more orgasms they have and the more they desire sex overall.

Speaker 1: 1:07:50

That's very interesting. You heard it here people.

Speaker 2: 1:07:53

You heard it here and I think the final thing that I'll sign off on is if your partner is watching porn and you think it's a problem because they're hypersexual, it's probably not the case. The problem is that you guys have got a mismatch of libido.

Speaker 1: 1:08:16

And also, what you need to do is Come onto our podcast, listen to the last episode On communication, communicate, and that's what you need to do Is communicate, that's it.

Speaker 2: 1:08:27

Communicate fuckers Exactly Over and out. Let's go. Peaces Bye. Thanks for tuning in to today's episode of Supersex. We hope you found our discussion both enlightening. No-transcript.

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