4.4.2025 -- NLS -- Ivermectin, Integrity, and Idaho’s Identity

On this episode with Neal and Julie…

They dive into a wide-ranging discussion starting with reflections on the pandemic and Governor Little’s 2020 stay-at-home order. Neal shares concerns about Idaho potentially shifting ivermectin to over-the-counter status, emphasizing the state’s right to determine its own path—but also warning of overreach and unintended consequences. Julie and Neal explore the tension between federal influence and local conservatism, particularly when it comes to accepting federal funds and the strings attached, referencing Senate Bill 1204 and broader debates about energy efficiency programs and government dependency.

The conversation turns personal and philosophical, with commentary on integrity, “fake rules” like speed limits, and the psychological impacts of public compliance. They inject humor and social observation, wondering what would happen if they printed fake media credentials to get into events, and discussing law enforcement's methods for measuring speed.

They also reflect on Idaho’s political landscape—highlighting how conservatism varies across regions, the influence of personal relationships on elections, and the historical tendency to elect leaders based on religious or social standing rather than qualifications.

Finally, there’s a lighthearted transition to community events, including an upcoming Easter ham special and a mention of a benefit concert shared on the “Love for Lily” Facebook page. The episode mixes politics, personal integrity, religion, and small-town dynamics with a conversational, thoughtful tone—as always, with plenty of back-and-forth between Neal and Julie.

Let’s talk advertising. When you want to advertise on the radio, you call the station, right? But what about Facebook, Instagram, Hulu, Disney+, Peacock, and other streaming platforms?

You could try clicking around, reading books, or taking online courses to figure it out—or you can let us handle it. At Sandhill Media Group, we’re your local experts in both radio and digital marketing.

Visit SandhillMediaGroup.com today.

Sandhill Media Group
Sandhill Media is East Idaho’s #1 Media Solutions Company with 8 Radio Stations & Digital Solutions.

Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.

Transcript

And it's not going to change your vote. But I'm just really concerned about this idea. Regardless of how great the drug is and what it can and can't do, that we as a state are going to decide what can and cannot be over the counter medication. Fundraiser at, Governor Phil Murphy's house. So a small place, and it's like fluorescent tape on the floor pointing him where to go in a house.

We do not ask permission from far left Democrats before we deport illegal immigrants.

Good morning. It's 807 on Newstalk 1079. I'm Neal Larson and welcome on this Friday. We have a lot. They have not signee died yet. Or I should say since he passed away. But they they're still it could it be today? I'm I'm kind of doubting it, but I don't know. We're not there. But it felt like there was enough momentum and enough steam yesterday.

Didn't feel like a wind down. And the day or two before the signing day, usually there's a wind down. So one of the big, issues, which, by the way, this had big, big, big support from leadership, it had support from both members was a bill that would make ivermectin available over the counter in Idaho. This is such a fascinating discussion, by the way.

I came across a social media. I forget the guy's name, but he's he's on a ton of videos, and I always kind of get sucked in because he's usually talking about something interesting. But he said most of the rules that we have are fake. And I'm thinking, you know, he's right about that. So, no, I don't propose lawlessness.

I want to make that disclaimer up front. I'm not suggesting that when you see that speed limit sign, it's fake. It's actually not fake. Because if a state trooper sees you go in 98 in, in an 80 mile per hour zone, yeah, you're going to have some lights behind you and you're going to get a ticket as you should.

So that's not a fake rule, but there are, others that are fake rules. And, so the point in all of this, I don't want to get off on the weeds in this. The point in all of this is if you know what the fake rules are, you move ahead anyway. You go, and I'll give you a perfect example.

The governor, Governor Little in 2020, it was actually right around this time, a couple of weeks ago, this time five years ago, the governor said, I'm issuing a stay at home order. And I'm like, what? What is this? And you could go get groceries and you could, you know, if if you had to see the doctor, then you could go see the doctor, go to the hospital, whatever.

There were essential things that you could do. And then as we started to examine this, we realized they're not enforcing anything. They're not sending out the police. They're not sending out Department of Health and Welfare officials to show me your papers so you can prove that you're, out and about for an authorized reason. But they issued the rule hoping to curb human behavior.

So I introduce this ivermectin topic in that context. Because remember when Trump was in the Senate, I was at the inauguration when he announced that the Gulf of Mexico is now going to be the Gulf of America. And Julie and I were listening to that. I was sitting right here in this chair at this studio, and I said, I literally said, can you do that?

Can he just do that? Well, you don't know unless you actually try. And guess what? Most maps now online at least say Gulf of America. It's it's a beautiful thing. So I would say when you pass a law in Idaho that shifts ivermectin to over-the-counter, meaning you can walk up and it's going to be right there next to Pepcid AC and Tylenol and whatever else you can buy over-the-counter.

The the reaction to that is, why not, someone said that, in two, if if you take too much, then it can cause problems for you. Well, that's probably true of just about every over-the-counter drug. If you take too much Tylenol, it's not going to be good or ibuprofen. And certainly if you take too much caffeine, that's not going to turn out well for you.

So that should not stop you because it hasn't stopped us in other other drugs. And, so why not? Why not? But I am convinced there are some that are sitting, waiting for permission from the federal government to do certain things, exhibit a, and, I only have one exhibit, by the way, and it is exhibit A today, and this is Representative Ben Furman something.

And I know it's not going to change. I'd like to debate the bill, like to debate the whole thing. It has the floor. I know it's not going to change a vote, but I'm just really concerned about this idea. Regardless of how great the drug is and what it can and can't do, that we as a state are going to decide what can and cannot be over-the-counter medication.

So are we going to start bringing more bills and say penicillin can be over-the-counter and maybe we should? Or are we going to bring bills that say, other medications that we have to take, that we need prescriptions for can just be over-the-counter? Now, I don't I don't know, this just I just have a concern. I want to be on the record with it.

Thank you, gentlemen, for them. I'm fine. And I know it's like, so I don't really know what the concern is. He he ended up voting for the bill. And I think he voted for the bill because leadership was in favor of the bill. But I think he felt torn because, well, the federal government says this. They haven't approved this yet for over-the-counter.

Can we even do this? But, the speaker Moyle says he wants it. And, Senate Pro Tem Anthon wants it. And so, yeah, he was probably kind of torn here. But this question right here, that, that this is one that I thought was we as a state are going to decide what can and cannot be over-the-counter medication.

So are we going to start bringing more bills and say penicillin can be over-the-counter? Maybe. Why not? Why not try if we feel like it makes sense for Idaho, that's absolutely what you ought to do. In fact, anybody who's been to Mexico knows if you go down there, there's all sorts of villains, that you can get amoxicillin, penicillin.

You can buy antibiotics over-the-counter in Mexico. No, I wouldn't say Mexico is the pillar of health safety, but I will say this is not an uncommon reality in Europe. It's I, I haven't been to Europe. I mildly like to go to Europe to see a few things at some point in time, but it's it's not really a high priority on my bucket list, however.

But I understand if you go to Europe, that it's kind of the same thing, that there's lots of things that you can get over-the-counter in Europe that you just can't buy here. And we don't have people dying in the streets because ivermectin is over-the-counter or penicillins over-the-counter. So charge forward. Try it. You might have a judge that may put an injunction, a nationwide injunction on it, because some pharmaceutical company issued a stay or requested to stay on or whatever something may happen to get in the way of it happening in Idaho.

But why not try? That's what I don't understand. And and I'll be honest with you, I'm a little frustrated. And I really don't want to be hotly critical of Ben Furman. He's a freshman lawmaker. He's getting his legs underneath him. But when we interviewed him as a candidate, I struggled with some of his answers. He's the one that famously said, do you have to be a conservative if you want to be a Republican?

And when I Monday morning quarterbacked my own interview, the question, do you have to believe in Jesus to be a Christian came to mind? Well, yes you do. That is the core of being a Republican is you believe in conservative ideals. So yes, you kind of do. If you want to be a good faith Republican, you need to be a conservative so that that's always what I asked him if he was going to vote for Trump, and he projected how reluctantly he will hold his nose and vote for Trump.

So, he and I have a have a complicated relationship. And, I asked him about prop one. He never told me how he came down on prop one, so I don't know where he's at with with all of it. Here's another clip we have cut or decided to give back to our constituents. Close to $450 million this session.

And all of that is state taxes that we've collected. And we're giving back to various bills, various programs. And that's fantastic. And I voted for those, and I think it's great. Here's an opportunity for federal taxes that were collected. To come back to our constituents in this bill was an opportunity for us to go back to our districts and say, we returned to our constituents $475 million of taxes because through the Inflation Reduction Act, which was a stupid bill, but it passed and it was appropriated.

The federal government has a program that allows for appliances and insulation and home modifications to make homes more energy efficient, to save people money on their heating bills, to help with our housing crisis, because appliances could have been less expensive, lowering the cost of getting into a home or remodeling a home. And those were tax dollars that were collected and already decided to go back to people who participate in the program.

No different than some of the programs we passed on this floor for state dollars going to constituents. If they did certain things, they'd get the money. Same thing. But at the federal level. And why? Because it was federal dollars. Because the federal debt is out of control. I agree, but I got a hold of the program and it says that if we don't accept these funds, it just goes to another state.

It's not going to go to the national debt. It goes to another state. So now I get to go back to my district and tell my constituents that this body decided to send their federal dollars to California. Their tax dollars that went to the federal government will go to another state because we chose not to participate in a $24 million.

Okay. So he kind of goes on and on. And then this dramatic ending, these are our constituents, tax dollars taken by the federal government able to come back. And we said no thanks. Send it to California. I'll be a red light.

Okay. So he is saying no to an appropriations bill. There's nothing in the bill that he disagrees with, apparently, or at least not enough. It's what's not in the bill that he's voting no on. And this is where my logic doesn't even begin to understand. The bill probably does not include cancer funding for two year olds, which I might support.

I mean, to fight cancer, but I wouldn't vote against the bill because it's not in it. I wouldn't vote against the bill because it doesn't have pro-life protections in it. It's an appropriations bill, and I would look at the bill and see what it does and then decide if I want to vote for it based on what it does.

He's voting against the bill because of what it doesn't do. It doesn't accept federal money for that. And I can't think that way, I, I do I have this fundamental, different approach to it where I look at what is the outcome of this bill. I don't look at what will the outcome of this bill not be compared to my expectations of what it could be?

Does that make sense? Like it's sort of a recipe for misery in your life. And I'm not applying this to Ben Furman. I'm just saying that if I go into this and I'm always measuring everything against what I wish it were, then I'm just going to lead a disappointed life and instead I think I would look at it and go, can I just be good with what's in it?

Period. No commas, no hyphens, just am I good with what's in it? And if the answer is yes, I'm going to vote for it. And then I might say, I do think we next year should try to include this money from the federal government. But that's another entirely separate discussion because at some point it's sort of like, imagine if you're in a hurricane or, you know, some other situation and a store is getting looted and you know, all the bread is going to be gone in five minutes because everybody loves the bread and you're looking at that going, okay, that if that that bread's getting stolen anyway, I might as well take my share because

it's within reach. I can grab it, I can take it. I might as well take it because it's going to go to somebody anyway. You don't do that, right. Some people would actually I know a number of people that probably do think that way, but I wouldn't because I would feel like my integrity is on the line here.

And maybe there's a difference because you could argue, well, that's your bread because you paid for it with taxpayer dollars. In his argument, he made that claim. I don't know if that can be substantiated because so much of the federal government is funded on debt spending. It's something that our children and grandchildren and even great grandchildren will have to pay back.

So you're not taking something you've already paid for. You might be taking something your kids and grandkids might pay for in the future, or may have to pay for. Somebody's got to pay for it. So it isn't. It isn't taking what should be yours anyway. And furthermore, last point in all of this, I, I don't believe that, we should deepen our relationship with the federal government.

I think that's we need to untangle ourselves from it. Idaho gets more money back already from the federal government than we put in. But there's a reason why the federal government wants you to keep. And I use this imagery. I'm sorry if it's a little too graphic for some of you, but the federal government wants to keep you slurping at its teat, and at some point, you got to wean yourself off.

We'll be back. It's 824 on Newstalk 107 nine.

Okay. It's Friday, it's 827 on Newstalk 1079. Neil Larson and Julie Mason and all of you all. If you'd like to reach us on the Stones Automotive Group call and Text line, that number is (208) 542-1079. Our singers are warming up up front. Julie I saw them. They are cute girls. Kylie and Tayden I believe are the names and so cute with songs.

They're going to be singing Stay by Rihanna. Rihanna. I used to call that Rihanna. No I didn't, I knew it was Rihanna. No, it's from everything else. It's a dad joke. And then you're like, oh, I can not shake my head hard enough or roll my eyes far enough into my head. I know, I know, I know, I know, somebody corrected me because I talked about the pandemic and this concept of fake rules like they're put there, but they're mostly an illusion to try and control mass behavior.

And I cited the stay at home order was largely a fake, a fake rule, because there were no consequences. Right. And someone said they sent out the police to Sarah Brady when she went to the park. That's true. That's true. They did. Or she got in big trouble because her kids went down a slide outdoors outside in the sun.

Heaven forbid. Heaven forbid. Yeah, I do. I would say there were rules that were covered like that. You couldn't walk on the beach in California. You were arrested there. If you did that. Yeah. I think we were fairly insulated from those overreach. Yes. Enforcements in East Idaho. I just don't think it was happening here. I think largely our law enforcement agencies in East Idaho, they didn't they weren't looking for opportunities to use the pandemic restrictions to tighten the base.

And and I'm grateful for that because many of them, probably Julia, like you and me and, they value individual freedom. And so. Yeah. Yeah. What a frustrating time. I'm just so glad I, I mean, there's parts of you that gets the little twitch, the PTSD from how horrible that was. But then there's also parts of you that are like, I'm so glad we're not back there.

Yes, I am, but do you find it interesting? I mean, today and this week we've been talking about this bill that would make ivermectin over-the-counter. The pandemic was a catalyst to make that kind of thing happen. We wouldn't even be. I don't even know if I heard the word ivermectin before Covid 19. Yeah, we're still going to have side effects from this.

It's the fallout will continue I think for decades. Yeah. 82 and you know, the bill about the mask mandates and all of that. Like I think we're I'm glad to see that there are lawmakers, that it's still a present issue in their mind of what Fauci did. What the the, well, the people in charge at the time, I know Trump was president when it all started, but, they really exploited that crisis to gain a lot of government power.

And I'm glad to see that we have lawmakers that are clawing some of that back. Yeah, I appreciate that, too. I also hope that there is a remembrance on everyone's part to maybe not overreact to the chaos, a overreaction to chaos. When is that been a good thing? Like if your child gets hurt, Slam. Let's say your child slams their finger in a car door.

Yeah. I'm overreacting. Instead of staying calm and helping your child, not good. Yeah, we need to remember to not overreact in a crisis. Yes. Yeah, I would agree with that. And at some point, Julie, we should have a conversation about fake rules, maybe even a flagpole. What's a fake rule? That you don't pay attention? Yeah, that'd be a good one.

All right, we'll be back. But we're not going to do that now. We're going to take a little break. When we come back, we will have Kylie and Tayden performing. Rihanna on today's studio for cover. This may be one where they're they're shorties. Yeah. Think about my size. I'm. In fact, they might be just like, where's the middle finger?

I'm just going to tell you. And we're back. It's 837 on Newstalk 107. I, Neil Larsen along with Julie Mason and Julie Pop in here. We have a couple of great guests for our studio for cover this morning. We've always love having singers in here from S.O.S. that's a performing group here in East Idaho. And today we have Tate and Kylie there with S.O.S..

Hello, ladies. How are you this morning? Good, good. So tell us a little bit about yourselves. How long you've been singing and how you like S.O.S. being in that group. Go first. I've been singing since I was like, oh my goodness. Ever since I could speak like I would always just do little performances for my family. So it's always been a part of your life then?

Yeah, and that's good. And, how about you? That's the same for me. I remember when I was like, four, I did this. This is like my first time remembering, like, singing in front of people. Me and my mom did, like, a little performance for my, like, church when I was, like, four. And ever since that, I've just loved performing and singing for people.

So you kind of just fell in love with it, and it's just been part of who you are. Well, so there is an upcoming fundraiser that you're going to be a part of. Let's talk about that for a minute. Go ahead. Tell us what this is for and what it is. So it's for the it's our it's for our benefit concert and it's for this little girl.

She's three. Her name is Lilly and she has cancer. And it's May 21st at 7 p.m. and we're so excited. And it's where we get a bunch of, money put together and it all got it goes towards the family. Yeah. So it's just a bunch of in our group, it's just like local soloists from Idaho Falls and.

Okay. Yep. Okay. Just for a good charitable cause then. Yes. We're really excited. Okay. So you're going to sing together today. You've chosen Stay by Rihanna. Why did you choose that song? It's always just been a good song and maintained and have been working like we've done the song and performed it quite a lot. So we just, you know, it's a good one to.

Okay. A do you feel ready? Yeah. Okay. All right. We're going to get started here in just a moment. Okay. Here we go.

All along, it was a fever.

A cold sweat had you believe for.

I threw my hands in the air and said, show me something.

He said, if you dare come a little closer.

Round and around and around and around we go. Oh, now tell me now. Tell me now. Tell me now. You know.

Not really sure how to feel about something. And the way you move makes me feel like I can't live without you. And it takes me all the way I want you to stay away.

It's not much of a life you're living.

It's not just something you take. It's giving.

Round and round and round and round we go. Oh, now tell me now. Tell me now. Tell me now. You know.

Not really sure how to feel about it. Something in the way you move. Makes me feel like I can't live without you. And it takes me all the way I want you to stay away.

You. The reason I hold your. Woo! Cause I need this. Oh, God, the funny. The broken one. But I'm the only one who need it. Say that I'm. Cause when you never see the light. It's hard to know which one of us is caving. Not really sure how to feel about it. Something. And the way you move makes me feel like I can't live without you.

And it takes me all the way. I want you to stay up, up, stay. I want you to stay.

Kylie and Tayden. Rihanna. Thank you so much. Of course. Thank you for having a nice job and good luck with the fundraiser coming up. Thank you, thank you. All right, we'll be back. It's 844. All right. It's 848 on Newstalk 107. I Neil I sing along with Julie Mason again, thanks to Kylie and Tayden for their cover of Rihanna this morning.

Got some good compliments for them on our text line. Yeah, if you'd like to know more about that benefit concert as well, there is a Facebook page called Love for Lily. Lily. Cute little girl in a yellow shirt. You can hear about her cancer struggle there. And there is information about the S.O.S. concert on that page as well.

Okay. All right. Julie, I, well, we talked a little bit earlier about the rules that are fake. And this is an interesting concept because someone texted in and said the fake rule I don't follow is the speed limit. How do they know how fast my car can go. Well they actually have radar guns. They can find out how fast you're going.

So I would say even when they don't catch you, it's still not a fake rule because there is intent and they will enforce if they catch you. So a fake rule is when someone puts a sign up telling you to do something or not do something, but there's actually no potential that anybody's ever going to enforce that.

Right. Like like the men's sign and women's sign in a bathroom. It's true. And at least in Idaho Falls they're not enforcing that. So yeah that that would be a fake rule. I'm trying to think of some other fake rules that I mean I think you have fake rules all the time within your household, right? Teenagers knew what was a real rule and a fake rule.

That's true. Yeah. That that's true. Yeah. They they would catch on. They knew they get to know their parents pretty well. They know exactly how parents are going to respond. And they knew where, where they could some kids better than others. Yes. Yeah. Some are sassier than others. Yes, indeed they are. Yes. And, I won't mention any names, but Jessica was our kid.

That was like.

I feel like all three had their moments in my home. Yes. Well, yeah, all my kids did too. The the labels on a mattress. Yeah. Or the pillow? Yeah, yeah. Fake rule or not a fake rule. Yeah. No, but these are kind of everywhere. Like just pay attention, pay attention to to signs like one that this video I watched.

One example, this is a perfect example. And this isn't so much like a bureaucratic rule that you're supposed to follow. But if you apply for a job and it says five years of experience required, it's garbage. In most cases, it's garbage. If you submit a resume and it's stellar and there's offsetting work, it's not actually required. Now, they may prefer it.

And sometimes, a job posting will have requirements and then preferences, but almost all of the requirements are actually just really strong preferences. I can see that. I absolutely can see that another traffic one that I was thinking about is it's a very decent and human thing to do to pull over when an emergency vehicle is coming.

But who's enforcing that? Yeah, they're they're busy responding to a, emergency. They're not in the market of pulling you over for, I mean, it is the decent human thing to do. Yes. And I want to be very, very careful here. Please do that, because that's what you're supposed to do, even though they're tied up going to the scene of an accident.

Absolutely. That's why I said decent. Yeah. They're not going to come at you. So. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I think in for my mind, in the spirit of fake rules. Fake rules are rules you should have no problem breaking, right. Like apply for that job anyway, even if it says you need five years of experience and you only have four and a half, you know, like just, just just shoot your shot.

Do it. Yeah. Go for it. You know what else I've noticed? I should not give this little secret away, but I'm. Get it. If you get someone who is a good designer in your life, and it now could just be, I say make a believable looking media credential, then you go down to wherever they laminate things because Kinko's doesn't exist anymore.

Go to lamination zahra's. And get your your fake media credential laminated, or get one of those little slip things that you can buy at OfficeMax and get a lanyard. You would be amazed if you'll just act like you know where you're going. Nobody will stop you, right? I think that's in general, if you enter a room or a place that maybe someone's going to question why you're there.

Yeah, you just act like you know what you're doing and you're you're probably not going to get questioned. That would be a fun experiment, Julie, to print up fake media credentials and then go to ticketed events and see how many we could get in just by looking like we belong there. And we flash them our badge. I'm sure we could get an email list and you know, another way to do it is carry a ladder with you and put on a tool belt.

And if you're a man, you're get you. They'll let you in anywhere. That's true. Oh, please come fix our problems. Yes. Go right ahead. And then you walk in and you just go do what you want to do. That's that's that's a great idea. Like, I'll carry the ladder over my shoulder. Like we'll get there. If you have a tool belt out no matter your.

That's fine. Yeah. That's it. You are fine. Never even thought about that. Yeah. All right I'm going to try to get into a, I don't know, like a Taylor Swift concert. Something that is like a $400 ticket. See if I can get see if we can get in there. I'm in. I do know that fake FBI badge that I flashing makes me into a lot of stuff.

Not really, I don't. I think my concealed carry got me out of a speeding ticket once. Oh that's right. Yeah, that's true, that's that's true. Yeah. You told me that story. You know, he's like, she's one of us. She's my boss. All right, go get to work. Get out of here. Another one said expectant mother parking.

I did half the job. Sign parking there, too, as an expectant father. Half the job, I, I don't know, five seconds does not qualify as half the job. I have no idea who this guy is, but he's my brother from another mother. I think that's great.

Okay, I, I stepped in it about six months ago. Because the car I drive has a handicapped placard in the window because my mom, when I take my mom places all the time, it's too much of a hassle to take it out and put it back in. So I will admit to nothing, but it may or may not have happened that late at night when there's multiple handicapped parking spots available.

Theoretically, it could have happened that a car parked in one of those, a car driven by Neil Larson with a handicap placard. There's like six handicapped slots open. And it's 11:00 at night, and I don't even take the closest one. Have I done something wrong? In theory, yeah. What have I done wrong? Well, you're just not supposed to park there to take the advantage of,

Okay, but they get the. It's a race that you've been given. It's 11:00 at night. I'm just telling you in theory, yes. I'm not sure I did. I didn't ask what the law is. I asked, what harm did I cause to the universe by doing that? You didn't cause? Well, the same harm that I'm not causing to the universe.

When I drive 84 on a speed limit of 80 down I-15, it's a for me, it's the same thing. I break that law all the time. I drive 84 on I-15 all the time. I think this confession could get you a ticket. You have to phrase things very carefully. You have to proceed just hypothetically with me. Yeah. Hypothetically is what Julie would say.

No, I would I go about five over. On high speed highways. I'll admit it. I you know what? I'll admit this too, because I drive it fairly often because of my children. The corridor through Salt Lake Valley. Yeah. You don't go the speed limit. No you go the speed that everyone's going. Thank you, thank you. I have tried to make that, that case before if you're going the speed limit, but everybody else is going 15 over.

You're the hazard, you're the hindrance, and you're the problem. You're the one that might not be violating the technical law, but you're violating the human law. Yes, you're violating God's law because it's not like Valley Dam, I know, not because of that. That's funny, but not because of that. That's not what that's not at all what I meant.

All right, it's, Hey, someone said, why 84 Julie? Why not 86? I let me ask. That's another great question. If the speed limit is 80, all of us usually do a little bit over. But at what speed do you go? Walking right up to the line. I think I have a five, a five mile per hour leeway.

I think if I go 86, the court might. Yes, it might get a little itchy. That's exactly how I think too. I used to think, well, I got 10% over. So if it's 80 I can go eight over. I don't think cops are mathematicians. I think they're like, okay, if some are okay. I know I got to explain that a little later here.

Neil Larson, put a target on your back at work. Hour two coming up. Okay. Standby. Here we go.

All right. Welcome back. It's, 907 on Newstalk 179. Neil Larson, along with Julie Mason. And, Julie, I want to issue a bit of a clarification. I believe that many law enforcement officers can do math just fine, but they're not functioning as mathematicians, so they don't think the way I described where like, well, you were going 10% over and so I'm giving you a ticket.

So that's all I'm saying. But it sounded like I was insulting them. Like they can't do math. When I said they're not mathematicians, they're they're just not they can do math. They just don't. They just they're like, okay. Yeah, you're just going too fast for the conditions. I might have gotten a text from Brian level during the commercial break from the Bonneville County Sheriff's Office saying, what time does Neil leave work?

Really? No I didn't. Yeah, I'm I'm, I usually leave around 11 in a black jeep. That's me. So just saying with a personalized license plate with jewels on it. Yeah. Dang it. My plans been foiled.

All right, if you want to join us. 285421279. Let's go to the phones. Hi, caller. How are you? Hi, Neil. How are you? I'm doing all right. Getting myself in a little hot water today, but I'm doing okay. Yeah, I'm a I'm an old, retired copper, and, You're. I think you're right. Because I used to run time and distance.

I could set two point and set back with, a ways off the road so nobody could see me. And I could run three just fine with the stopwatch and a calculator. They can do math and we'll see. Okay. Yeah. All right. That's not what I was saying. I will tell you that I knew the boys that would team up, the the guy that was, we call him the spotter would set off with a pair of binoculars, and he had those two points measured, so he knew exactly how many feet between them.

Yeah. And he'd run the time and distance. And then he had a buddy that was what we called the bird dog who was set down on the road way ahead. So he was just pulling these go guys over this one right after another. Right. And tickets, because one, I got no idea where that was coming from. Oh okay.

So let me let me ask you this. My mathematician friend here, is that legally defensible in court if if that motorist decided they wanted to challenge it and they said, you don't have me on a radar gun saying I was going 15mph over the speed limit and you stepped forward and said, maybe not, but I had a stopwatch and a notepad, and he went from the tree to the barn in 14 seconds, and that's way too fast.

Would a judge listen to that? Absolutely, because that's the way you verify your your, radar. Your radar can be checked technically or through technology. Yeah, to verify that they're on. But another way is just to run the old time and distance. The math doesn't fail. Okay, but how how do you prove that you actually. I mean, at least with a radar gun, there's a digital trail there that's evidence.

But if you're doing it just with a stopwatch and a pad, how do you prove that that was applied to that driver? Okay. So you're you're sitting there and you can identify the vehicle. Yeah. If you can't you're lost. You're right. So you you've got clear identity of the vehicle and you set your patrol car in the same spot every time it's measured.

Yeah. Through the inch. Okay. And you're measuring, say, between two power poles out there. Yeah. And you've measured that distance to the inch. Okay. And then you just you when they, when the vehicle crosses the, the plane of the first point, clear through the plane, okay. Not just the front of the car, but the rear of car.

So he's already completely in the traveling. And then when the rear of the car passes that second point, you measured that with your stopwatch. Okay. You know, with math time and distance. Exactly how fast that vehicle's traveling. And if those points are measured, and you can show that in court that your vehicle sets at the same point every time.

And obviously, the, the two power poles are not going to move. Yeah, yeah, it's it's, Okay. It used to be done. It all of the time. Okay. That's the old, old, old school stuff. Yeah I gotcha all right. Well, I appreciate that. And, that's that's a great insight from, from a retired officer, so that's great.

And I would I would routinely pull people over for one and two miles per hour over the speed limit. I was just going to ask you that question. I'm like, I'm safe with the four miles over. Oh, I would I would do it all of the time. If I'm driving down the highway and I'm driving exactly the speed limit and somebody goes past me, it's an automatic stop.

What tomorrow we're going to we're going to have a conversation. Now, I may not write a ticket. In fact, I seldom wrote tickets by I, but I always cataloged those stops because someday I may see something that go that I go, oh, man, there's something not right about this. And they're only 2 or 3 miles an hour. The speed limit.

Okay. Can we create an ad hoc segment here called confessions of a Retired Cop? Because I have another couple of questions for you. Okay. Would you ever go on a highway and you would deliberately go two miles per hour under the speed limit just to see if someone would pass you, just to see if they had the guts to pass you.

Nope nope nope never. Yeah, I would, I would say that that falls in the category of stiff, you know, chicken stuff. Oh okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay. Now since we've turned this into a segment, we talked about the, Salt Lake Valley and how consistently on I-15 there the flow of traffic is 15 miles faster. And lots of times it's you're very crowded on that, interstate.

So do you think that we should be driving with the flow of traffic, or should we be obeying the speed limit? I don't know what, Utah Highway Patrol would do, but but, I wouldn't mess with people that are traveling with the flow of traffic. Having said that, it wouldn't bother me one bit to pull somebody over in that scenario either.

Okay, yeah, because maybe not for that one driver, but for the rest of the drivers going past, they see a police in a stop. Lights are on. That would probably bring the traffic speed down a little bit right. Generally does. Yeah. Oh that was what they call have black and white fever okay. Gotcha okay. All right. Okay I do I do have another question specifically for women drivers.

If they cry during the traffic stop, we'll win that win some sympathy from a police officer I, I can't speak for everybody, but but I never had one cry that didn't get the ticket. And I may have not written that ticket otherwise, but if I think they're crying for sympathy and or showing a little extra, you know, then it's like, oh yes, you bought this.

You worked so hard to get it. I'd be remiss not to deliver. Okay, okay. Well, like the day I wasn't there, but I had left on my church mission. My sister got pulled over that day, and she was sad because her little brother was leaving for a couple of years, just bawling. And then the day was being made worse because the police officer pulled her over and it was a genuine cry, like she wasn't playing it up.

And the cop said, it looks like you're having a rough day. Just slow down and you're okay. So there was some sympathy given there, and I was just wondering if that's something that could be, you know, leveraged by half of our audience out there. Yeah, I would say if the officer felt like it was fake, it's it's a good chance that there's going to be a ticket.

But, I had a situation where I was, my wife was taking care of family, and, I had all of the kids, and I had to meet her sister in an airport to deliver some things. And I had borrowed my dad's vehicle, and I got pulled over on Rigby by, ISP trooper, and, and I didn't have, insurance proof.

I didn't have a lot of stuff that I needed because I borrowed the vehicle and, and, and he says, what's going on? And I just I just told him, he says, yeah, you don't need me screwing with you today. Get home and take care of your kids. Oh, wow. Oh. That's good. Okay, okay, I have one more question here.

And, this is something I don't expect an answer to, but if you sort of include the detail that you're a retired police officer, if and when you get pulled over, does that work in your favor? Like, is there a brotherhood among. And I guess sisterhood, too, among police officers who, like, okay, he's retired cop. I'm not going to write this guy a ticket, if I would say that only works in a local jurisdiction where they knew that you were okay, you had served.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would say that there are times when that happens, but I've, I've also personally written, police officers out of, Utah because they played that card and it's like, yeah, buddy, they don't work here. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Well, we really appreciate you. Well, really stepping up and making a segment out of this, we we love asking these questions.

That's great. Well, you guys are great. And, of course, I listen to you as often as I can. And, appreciate what you do and what you bring to the community. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. You have a great weekend. (208) 542-1079. Let's go back to the phones. Hi, caller. How are you? Hi. Good morning, Neil and Julie.

Hi. Morning. I'd like to ask him, if they have mercy on bus drivers. Oh, in in their cars, not in the bus. I don't speed in the bus, but I, I oh, I gotcha. Does the serve extend if you're a bus driver? Yeah, yeah. There you go. Cause, yeah, I think I think we, I don't think we can drive again if we get a ticket.

I don't know about, but I luckily, I, I mean, I don't know what happens actually, but I just thought of that when he was talking. I thought, I wonder if they give us mercy too. Does does that make you drive a little more carefully, knowing that that could, jeopardize your best driving job? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I don't go crazy or anything, but, you know, sometimes I'm in a bit of a hurry.

Yeah. All right, so that's that's not actually what I called about, though. Okay. I just want to, you know, you were talking about, Representative Furman, and I didn't catch what bill that was that that he was talking about. If we don't get the money, the other states do. And when I was in there, that's what we heard a lot.

When, Senate Bill 1204 in, 2021, if anyone wants to look this up, that was the Arpa bill that opened up that Pandora's box for us to receive, like $2 billion or something from the federal government. And actually, in that bill, it actually states that, Arpa funds are borrowed from our grandchildren. To the extent allowable under law, the state should make long range investments with Arpa funds that will benefit our grandchildren.

I was horrified, but at least they were honest when they put that in there. And wow, I can't remember. It seems like there were string. You know, there's always strings attached in some way or the other, but they that was the argument that if we didn't take the money, that another state would take it. And, I committed that I was not going to vote.

I was going to oppose any bill that had Arpa funding in it. And I think that's one of the reasons, you know, they said that I didn't support law enforcement, that I wanted to fund the police, that I didn't like education, all those kinds of things because I felt it was really important to protect our grandchildren's future.

And as you said, our great grandchildren as well. So yeah. Wow, wow. Yeah, it I guess I didn't I, I can understand the argument that, you know, if we don't take it, some other state will get it. So we're not actually benefiting anything by not taking the money. I can I can understand that argument. Not sure I agree with it because you have to end the toxic relationship at some point or change it.

Yeah. What I when does the stop what I, what I don't understand is the approach that I'm going to vote against this appropriations bill because it doesn't have what I want in it, which is accepting federal dollars like you have to take the bill for what it is. You're voting on the bill for what it is. You're not voting on it for what it isn't.

And oh, absolutely. Now, if a no vote makes it more likely that in some other process you might get that appropriation and then it would make strategic sense for him to do that, but it wasn't ever going to change anything. So I guess I just my mind just doesn't process that way. Yeah. And we're and they're getting so close to the end that, you know, that's when they passed this 1204 was right at the end of the session.

And you know, the and especially now when they've gone a couple weeks over there want to get out. So they yeah, they it's it's harder to argue against something and try to get a better bill because. Yeah. You know everybody ready to go home. Not enough time to send it back and redo it. So. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Karen, you want to make one more?

Yeah. Hang on. I want to make one more. Point is, you know, you were talking about they didn't really enforce a lot of things in Idaho, but there was a minister and a couple other people arrested in, northern Idaho because they went out and sang outside. That's true. And they they actually were arrested. And I think, restaurant owners, bar owners, some were fined because they they said, we have to stay open or we're going to lose our business.

So I, I'm glad that we're trying to protect Idahoans because, you know, you always wonder if it's a trial run, if they're just seeing, you know, push the edges, push the boundaries. Yeah. What they can get done. And in preparation for the next time and, you know, we're not as conservative as people like to think in Idaho. The the people by and large are conservative.

But yeah, as we've seen with our legislator and especially in eastern Idaho, yeah, we have a lot of rhinos that are it's it's kind of shocking what they're voting against and what they're voting for. That is not good. Yeah. We we really this this legislative session, we really have turned into meaning East Idaho has turned in to the moderate portion of the state.

Yeah. Well, yeah. You just I mean, you can list all those legislators that are I mean, my three and district 31, furnace, Raman and Burton all are voting like with the Democrats, majority at the time. And I hope people are paying attention. Well, you know, it's interesting because if you look at the corridor for of of East Idaho, it's I wouldn't say it's the most conservative, but it's one of the more conservative areas of the state.

And I would say one of the most conservative areas of the state, but we're producing the most moderate core of Republicans in the state. And that that is something that I think needs to be addressed. We're not getting what a reflection of what the electorate is in this part of the part of the country. Absolutely. Well, and you look at, prop one, I think Jefferson was the highest no vote in the state.

If not, it was very close. And then we we produced the three that we have. Yeah. The legislature, it's just. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. But, you know, they're their neighbor. They've been their church leader. They've, their family. And so, yeah, somehow the end. They're a nice guy. That's what I hear the most. Well, he's such a nice guy.

These guys are, I bet everybody in the the legislators in East Idaho, they're nice people, but they test their votes or not. Reflective of the values of. Yeah. Idaho. Yeah. No, Carrie, you're right. It's frustrating. Thank you for the call. Oh, it's great to hear from you. That nice guy argument. I just had that conversation with a client on Thursday.

Yeah. She was asking me about the raid at the Mickelson farm. She she, was raised. Well, I shouldn't say race. She was born in Mexico. Yeah. And she wanted to talk to me about the Mickelson farm. We actually shared a lot of the same feelings about what happened there. We felt bad for the remaining people.

We also felt like, if Mickelson knew that that was happening on their farm, they shouldn't be doing it. Like, we shared a lot of the same things, but that led us into a conversation about who gets elected in this area. And we both said that, in this area, nice guy or nice woman, nice gal, good church member.

Sure takes you a long. And that's not what I'm asking for in a legislator. I'm asking for that in a neighbor. Yeah, I'm asking that in somebody who sits next to me on the church pew. I love it when I have nice, friendly people around me in those situations. That doesn't mean they match what I have at my core.

Yeah, with political issues. Nice guy. Shouldn't be the top of the attributes for your politician. Well, you you look at the relationship, it's very simple and straightforward. For me. You are allocating to them political power as a voter. And that is what they're representing. That's the name of their job is to represent okay. I'm, I'm not hiring someone to make me feel good.

I'm not hiring a friend. I'm not hiring companionship. I'm not hiring an internal feeling. I'm allocating political power to them to go and represent how I feel about politics and about political power. Absolutely. That's what the relationship is. And I think you're you're spot on, Julie. Too many people get swayed by it. Well, he's a pillar of the community or he's I think he's honest or he's very nice.

Those are tangential to the core reason why we send them there. That the rest of that conversation led us to Hyrum Erickson, which was we heard over and over about what a wonderful person Hyrum Erickson is, I have no doubt. Sure, I went in the times we interviewed him. He was a great guy in the interview. Yeah, he was polite.

He he, didn't throw stones. He wasn't combative. Like all of those things were existing. I fundamentally believe he chose wrong on that issue. Yeah. I want someone to represent what I fundamentally believe in. Not a nice guy. That's not what I'm looking for. You're you're right. But you know what, though? Like, I look at American politics. Somebody like Gavin Newsom could win because he seems really likable.

Yeah, and far left liberal. But he seems likable. And so it's a it's a tough challenge. It really is. If you're. And I'll say this too, though, because this is this is this can cut both ways. So we're going to have this discussion. Let's have the mirror image of this discussion. There are people that I probably agree with 95% of the time, but they're lousy personality wise, like they're caustic and they're toxic and they're and I'm like, that's not good either.

Like, like those traits of being likable are very valuable to getting things done. They just are. Yes honey. More than vinegar. Exactly. And so I need both of them to be honest with you I need to be represented politically. But I need you to be nice enough, likable enough, workable enough that you can actually deliver on the political power I gave you and deliver on legislation.

So I don't want to I don't want to lead this conversation with the idea that that stuff doesn't matter. It's or it's not important. It's just secondary. It is important because you need it to get things done. But it's secondary to the most important thing, which is you need to be philosophical at home with your constituents. What if we adapted this conversation to this point?

We like a nice guy or a nice gal. We don't like a nice guy or a nice gal that uses that to manipulate voters. Yes, to make them believe I am truly a conservative. And then to show up and not act like a conservative with your votes. Yeah, yeah. So we do like a nice guy or a nice gal, but we like them to be genuine.

Yeah. Not not used in a manipulative way. Yes. All right. It's 930 on Newstalk 107. We have got to take a quick break. We will come back and we'll continue and we'll take more phone calls when we return. On this Friday on Newstalk 179. Bam bam bam bam bam. So how about this Julie? I'm going to create a mathematical formula right now.

Compatibility with your constituents times your electability equals your value as a lawmaker. Yeah, I think a lot of people think that. So so you can mix and match here. Let's say you're only 50% in line with your constituency, but you're 100% electable because you're nice, you're the bishop, you're you're whatever your value is 50. But let's say you're, you are in near-perfect alignment with your constituents, but you're only electable half the time.

Your value is still only 50. So you've got to you have to mix that. And I will say this is another sort of I'm kind of kind of, free wheeling it here. I will take a reduction in your ideological purity by 1 or 2 percentage points. If it raises your electability by 4 or 5 percentage points. I will trade some ideological purity for a higher electability.

Not straight across, though. Not not one for one. It it's got a like I would say, okay, you can leave the farm 5%, but it needs to increase your electability chances by 25%. Like there's got to be an ROI for that sacrifice. I would I would rather have a politician that agrees with me 75% of the time, or 80% of the time electable 100% of the time.

Then rather have one. I love perfectly how they vote and everything else. If it's a crapshoot every election if they're going to get elected, right. Well, one of these South or one of these East Idaho lawmakers that we're talking about, I regularly have great text conversations with regularly, I would actually consider that legislator kind. Yeah. And that doesn't mean I appreciate that.

The votes that are done. Yeah. Or turned in by that legislator because it's too often with the Democrats. Yes. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. There was a bill about the day that they are removing the requirement for Dei. You can't require kids to take a data, something like that. And a bunch of the moderates voted against it.

I can understand Cheatham and Manwaring voting against it because I guess who's in their district now? Not that I agree with their vote, but that's a politically explainable vote. You've got a lot of professors and students and others that may not like this bill. They may be kind of woke ish. And yeah, they're Republicans. They probably shouldn't be voting for the bill.

But I understand their vote because they live in a university district. There's a lot of lawmakers that don't have a university in their district. I can think of one specifically. Okay, let's explain the Democrat. How much time do I have? 15 seconds. Okay. We'll come back to the demographics of Idaho Falls on the next break. Okay. All right.

Sounds good.

A 935 on Newstalk 1079 Grand Peaks Primates. It's the place you want to go. Because I don't know if you've noticed or not, but it is spring. It's grilling season. Everyone can agree. Now, we might fight about whether February in January, January's grilling season, but everybody can say April is, especially when we have the sunshine, the warmer temperatures in the spring like weather.

So go get your steaks and your ribs and your dogs and not just hamburger patties, but things like halla pino cheddar hamburger patties. Yeah, I mean, they've got so much cool stuff that's going to just make your mouth go, whoa. Also, in the next couple of weeks, we've got Easter coming up, and they have some specials going on right now on Ham, which a lot of people, like to cook for their Easter dinner.

So if that interests you, you really should go to G p Prime meats.com again. That's g p prime meats.com. They have all their specials on there. If you don't see something you're looking for or if you want a a really specific size on your ham, or maybe you're doing prime rib or a roast and you need to talk to somebody absolutely called them.

This is not a place where they're like, oh my gosh, can you just order online? They want to help you. They're so kind. At Grand Peaks, would it be over the top to shape the ground beef in the shape of an egg for over Easter weekend and grill that, no. Go right ahead. I don't know how it's going to cook all the way through, but you give it a shot.

Mr.. You know, you just can't cook it slow. You could even do it because some people will put a piece of cheese in between their ground beef and cook it that way. Yeah, that could be your yolk. You could put, that's of cheese in there, Julie. There you go. That is a great idea. I dare you. Let's do it.

It'll cook better if you do that, because you're not having to do the meat all the way through. Yeah, that's true, but it'll be warm enough to melt the cheese anyway. Yes, we've I encourage it. We think we've invented something. That's awesome. All right, let's go to the phones. (285) 421-0079 caller thank you for waiting this morning. What's on your mind?

Well, I wish I was in your studio this morning because it sure seems like I've got an opinion on everything you're talking about. That's what we do here. What's what's up? But that I will limit it to this. I was with my father several years ago, and there was a gentleman that we knew that was running some political office, and my dad said, we need to vote for him because he's a bishop.

And I thought, that's the last reason we should be voting for the guy. And the three of us share the same religious beliefs. And sometimes I get frustrated with the membership because we can be super gullible. How many times do you see the place where there's a, person of priesthood leadership that next thing you know, he's running a Ponzi scheme or something like half the war and everybody else is invested in his that because he was a priesthood leader and they took that as his qualification.

And so as a we're in a mormon ritual environment. So just because they're of our religion or a church leader, that just doesn't necessarily qualify him to we a good legislature or whatever office they be running on. So yeah, I'll leave it with that. Perfectly stated, understand that opinion he has. Yeah, I, I think this used to be an uncomfortable conversation.

I don't think it is anymore. If you're a bishop, I'm glad you're a bishop. And I hope you're serving your flock well and treating them. Any sort of entitlement does not go beyond your purview of being a bishop. And I say you and I are both devout members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. This same principle applies to any faith, though if you're if you're Catholic, it would apply to the priest if you're whatever.

So I don't want to just make it seem like this is a mormon thing, but I will say I, I look at at the individual and I say, okay, who's going to best represent these 40,000 people that are living in this legislative district? That's really the question that that answers that answers it for me sometimes. Maybe it ends up being the bishop.

Other times maybe not. But I do think that there is kind of an unhealthy relationship that we have where we will stretch an ecclesiastical calling into social mileage for another role in their life, and that should never happen. Quite honestly. It's a it's a level of Dei that we just don't talk about. Right? We are frustrated as Republicans that somebody of a certain race receives a better chance at a job.

Yeah, than somebody of another race. Or we're frustrated that somebody with a certain, gender preference receives better treatment in a workplace than somebody else. Yeah. Why are we extending that to who we're electing? Were deciding that. Well, they've got to be the good person because they're part of my my religious affiliation. That isn't that's a level of Dei you don't want to flirt with.

Can I quote Jesus right now? He probably like it. So go ahead. As long as it's accurate, it this is accurate. Okay, I, I have quoted false Christian scripture before, but this is actually a quote render unto Caesar. Yeah. That principle also applies with your vote there. Christ very very succinctly outlined the delineation between God's realm and this the worldly secular realm.

So don't stretch a religious title into a benefit, a secular benefit that that shouldn't that just shouldn't happen. Yeah. And we came. All right. 208542107I could run a Caesar. All right. We have to break. We we do we, we get other stuff to do. We went really long. We'll be back. It's 941 on Newstalk 179. Okay. Can we go back to that last caller for a minute?

And we're on with our Facebook. Oh, you were going to tell a story. Finish your story. Well, I was just going to say the demographics of Idaho Falls area have always been really interesting to me. And this happens in other areas. So it's not weird. It's just very specific here in East Idaho. So in the Idaho Falls area, typically a house on the west side of town.

Does not, does not have the ability to get as higher asking price as a house on the, east side of town. Okay, okay. Yeah. Same thing is true for the religion. There is more members of the Church of Jesus Christ on the east side of Idaho Falls and in Ammon. Yeah. Then there is on the west side of Idaho Falls.

Statue. For some people, that's great. For some people, it's great in the opposite direction. You know, you choose to live where you choose to live in and that's awesome. Okay. So what that means though, if you live on the east side of town or in Ammon and you can flex your church leadership position, it works out pretty darn well for you.

That's a really good point. That's a really good point. It depends on the demographics. Yep. Okay. Can I, I, I'm always doing the self-check though, because if let's say you live in an area that's heavy in, in New England Patriots fans. Okay. And you know, being a New England Patriots fan is going to benefit you. You're going to flex that in an election.

So what what's the difference then. And I, I find it offensive. It's there's a word for it. We call it priest craft. When you flex a religious position for some other benefits. Some gain. Yeah some personal gain. And so from the religious angle it's more offensive. But from the political angle, isn't that just smart politics that you try to make as many connection points of familiarity as you possibly can, whether it's your a New England Patriots fan or you're of the same faith.

And by the way, I'm a bishop of that faith. I actually have an answer for you. Go ahead. I'm not as angry at the politics or not. I angry wouldn't be the word, but disappointed or frustrated with the politician as I am with the voter who gets duped by it. Yeah. That's true. It's it's it's really the voters responsibility.

And we got to quit being duped. Yeah. That's true. That's true because I if I was the PR person for that candidate, I'd probably tell him to flex it. Yeah. Yeah, you'd be probably too. Yeah. So we just have to be better voters. Yeah. Okay. My question, that last caller, do you think that problem that he's talking about that years ago, years ago, it's like, well, we need to vote for him because he's the bishop and he's a good man.

Do you think that's still as prevalent as it was then? I don't I it's still there no doubt it's still there. But I think and sorry I know I'm going to use unauthorized language here, but I think Mormons are more independent now than they used to be. I would agree with that. I think we're we're shifting out of that.

How how do I say it and not have it? That dutiful obedience. Yeah. To things that actually aren't commandment. Yes. Right. Okay. That's true. That was probably the best way I could have said that. Does it? Does that fit into our fake rule. Yes. Discussion. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There is no commandment to elect someone who has the same religion as you.

Quite honestly, there is no commandment to choose a doctor based on the same religion as yours. There is no commandment to choose a a child care provider because they have the same religion as yours. I hope you're actually choosing the most qualified doctor, the most qualified child care provider, and the most qualified politician. Yeah, yeah. Okay, let me ask this question because I think this is the gray area here.

What if you're hiring people and, you know, culturally they're going to be a better fit if they happen to be of a certain faith for a business? Yeah. You're not supposed to do that. It's equal opportunity, employment. No, I know. No. 947 on Newstalk 1079 at some point. Julie, we didn't get this done yesterday, but at some point, going to get out to town and Country gardens, get the four step lawn program and get those roommates down.

Absolutely. For me, it's got to happen this week because you need to look at your schedule and you need to get it on. Get the humans mates onto your lawn as quickly as March. April? Yeah, March. April time. So, I'm leaving town next weekend, and so it's got to happen. If you're that person, get down there now, because it's not as busy at town and country gardens right now as it will be later on in April as people are prepping.

It's a great time to go. And you can get your seeds and you get your bushes and you can get your trees, you can get everything. So here's what you do. Calculate your your square footage of your lawn. And it's very easy to follow. They'll tell you how much product you need for the size of lawn that you have.

And I'll be upfront. I don't think I would even care that we're telling you this. For average sized lawns, it's probably going to be for the entire year. It's going to be between about 150 to $200 somewhere like that. That is so easy, though, and inexpensive compared to having a lawn service coming to take care of your weeds or whatever.

So, it's easy to apply. It's very easy to apply. Just your, your, your applicator just you just walk it. I have one that's a spreader and you walk and it takes me about maybe 15 to 20. I have a lot of lawn and it takes me about 15 to 20 minutes to just walk it over and get the get it done.

And then you're done for a couple of months and you get a little vitamin D at the same time. All good. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. It's great. So, Yeah. Get down there. While you're there, grab your seeds for your garden. If you know you're going to be planting stuff, because sometimes those go fast. And, also mark your calendar for April 24th because there's a really, really cool event coming up that you can find out more about at my Garden Geeked.

Com and I'm just going to say a few words. I didn't count them because it's ones I hyphenated words. I don't know if you count those glow in the dark petunias. There you go. They're so cool. This is an event where you can sign up to get VIP tickets. There's only a certain amount of petunias being sold at the event, so if you want to learn about these glow in the dark petunias again.

That's my garden. Wkyc.com a really cool event. There's food, there's drinks. It's like a party that's happening that night. And you can get yourself one of these these, flowers. It's called the firefly Petunia. And, if you go to my garden wkyc.com, you can find out more. Morgan. That. Saturday, April 26th. So talent country garden south of Idaho Falls, across from the beer plant on the Yellowstone Highway.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right, Julie, we're talking about. And now do are we done with the religion? We're probably done with the religion thing. Yeah, that doesn't mean we're quitting religion. We're just it's a topic we're not going to talk anymore cause other people would say, I'm done with the religion thing, and, And they just go fishing every Sunday, so,

Yeah. Do you. I, we I don't know if I can find it now. Okay, I want to I want to talk about this text that we got. It says going 15 miles over the speed limit because everyone else is doing it. It's similar to saying that it is okay to do something wrong because everyone else is doing it.

It doesn't make it right. If I, I contend it makes it safe. Yeah. It wasn't asking if it was right or wrong. I know I'm breaking the law. I'm contending. I'm making it safe. Okay? I yeah, yeah, that's what is right. Safety is better than the. Yeah. Yes. Okay. The law does not make something right or wrong.

Maximizing people's well-being is what makes it right or wrong. So I'm sorry if you feel icky that you're breaking the law, but you are literally making people less safe when you insist on going 75 when everyone around you is going 88 or 90mph, you're the one that is making it unsafe. I'm going to give you another version of this in East Idaho.

I know administrators at schools who conceal, carry. It's supposed to be a gun free zone. Yeah, but they are concealed carrying. Guess who I want to be the administrator for my child. Yeah, exactly like the I. It's the same kind of argument. One is safer than the other, especially if the administrator is very well trained and is prepared to step in between me or me or my child and a bad guy and take care of it.

Yes. Yeah, I'm incredibly grateful for that. Yeah. Yeah, I am too. I am too. And so I, I look at, you know, what it's like and I've always said this, you have lower laws and you have higher laws. Sometimes the higher law is in violation of the lower law. And for me the higher law is at the end of the day my kid comes home from school safely.

Yeah. That's the highest law. Yeah. The lower law says you can't have guns in school because the lower law spokesman talks like that. But that and so you look at it what's, what is truly the I don't like the term greater good because that gets twisted into socialism too much. But honestly, what is what is the greatest good?

It's that people are safe dealing with the realities of the life that we have. And the truth is, when you drive down through Utah, most drivers are going about 10 to 15 over. And so the greater good is, you know what, I can't control everybody else's behavior. But I want to be safe and I want those around me to be safe.

I don't want to force someone to have to suddenly change lanes and endanger someone else. So you go with the flow and that's that's the higher law. We've had another instance where I believe that it becomes very complicated of should I do the rules thing, or should I do the correct thing, the morally correct thing. Yeah. And this instance is we now have rules in the various school districts where it doesn't matter who was the instigator in the altercation, both parties will be punished.

So I understand why they have the rule. It's very complicated. But what that has, what that has fostered is an atmosphere like we saw at Rigby High School where people stood around and filmed somebody beating up somebody else, and nobody stepped in to protect the girl that had no idea she was going to get pelted from behind with a complete cheap shot.

Yeah, okay. The right thing to do would be to not stand there and film, but to stop. Yes, stop what's going on? But if you do, you might get in trouble with it. The administrator one is morally correct and safe. One is correct by the rules of the school district. Yeah. What's the higher law? What's lower level? I just invented the word accomplice.

Stupid.

When you have a stupid rule and they they don't acknowledge it as such, and they just say it's complicated. No. That's stupid. Yeah, yeah, you heard it here first. Me and George W Bush. What? What was the one he always used? Miss? Miss underestimate. Don't listen. Don't miss underestimate me. All right, we got a break for a final, final break here.

We'll come back. We'll wrap it up after this. Okay. So someone said, as a former bodily insurance adjuster and retired senior, I drive the speed limit and try to stay out of the crazy drivers as much as I can. I'm not comfortable driving over 80mph. That's from Nina. So here's what I would say. Get in the right lane and stay there, because that's where your slower traffic is going to be.

That's probably your best bet. I, I also don't want somebody driving faster than they're comfortable driving. And I would recommend in high pressure situations like the Salt Lake corridor. Yeah. Have somebody else drive you. Yeah. Somebody else who's more comfortable with that. And sometimes there are highways you can take that are not going to get you there as fast.

But they're at a, at a pace and a speed, a little bit slower. Speed. Yeah. 45 seconds. Delete. All right. Our texts were pretty robust today. Yeah. Lots of listeners today love that. Somebody said speed limits are arbitrary compromises. Cars going 80 plus and trucks going 70 is a recipe for disaster. You know where I see this problem a lot when I drive to Utah is as you're headed through Tremonton, and it's still two lane and it hasn't switched to three yet.

Yeah. You get two semis trying to pass each other. Yeah. Completely disrupts everything. That's true. It's 958. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend. And how's the weather supposed to be this weekend. I haven't even looked. I haven't either hopefully. Good. It looks beautiful out there right now. Yeah I think we're going to be all right.

Oh. I have to put weather to get weather. Anyway, have a wonderful weekend, everyone. Just Julie and I will be back here on Monday.