Harriet Tubman, and Finding Freedom

Welcome to Hello Moxie, where we dive deep into the stories that inspire and empower! In this episode, host Nicole Donnelly sits down with her friend Julie to share the spark behind the podcast. From a childhood experience that ignited her passion for storytelling to the essence of Moxie—persistence and determination—Nicole opens up about her journey.

Listen in as she recounts a personal tale of seizing a last-minute keynote speaking opportunity and discusses the incredible impact of historical figures like Harriet Tubman. Together, they tackle the challenges women face in the marketing industry, explore how AI influences creativity, and highlight the irreplaceable emotional connections that define human storytelling.

Join us for an uplifting conversation filled with insights on self-care, learning from the past, and embracing your own Moxie! Tune in and get inspired!

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You're listening to Hello Moxie with Nicole Donnelly. In each episode, we honor the unbreakable thread that connects the fierce women who came before us to modern day pioneers carving their own paths. We'll share stories of unforgettable heroines, celebrate their courage, and bring to light the lasting impact they've had across generations. Get inspired by the stories of those who embodied true Moxie and pave the way for others to follow. Hello Moxie is sponsored by DMG Digital.

a woman-owned marketing consultancy dedicated to helping B2B companies and e-commerce brands create exceptional customer experiences. am so excited to be here today and joined by my dear friend, Julie Bacello. Julie and I met through LinkedIn a couple of years ago and immediately connected. She's the founder of Bacello Media and she's the host and producer of her own podcast, Reinvention Adventures.

And as I was planning for this new podcast, this passion project, this just creative place for me to just explore and get to know so many wonderful women, I knew immediately that when I started the podcast, I wanted the first episode to be an episode with me and Julie. Julie has been such a great friend over the years and she is just a phenomenal coach and can't tell you how excited I am to have her be on the show.

And we're gonna do things a little different today. since it's the start of the new podcast, I thought, wouldn't it be so cool if Julie could interview me and we could talk a little bit about what inspired the show. And I could share a little bit about some of the things that had led me in this direction. So Julie, welcome to our very first episode of Hello Moxie. Thanks for being here. How are you? I am excited to be here. I'm also honored that you chose me for this

very illustrious task for your first episode. there's not anyone else I would have wanted to do this with. mean, you're perfect. You're the perfect compadre for launching this new, exciting show. So thank you for being up for the challenge and doing this with me. We'll see how it goes. Yeah, right. Absolutely. Before we start, I want to mention the LinkedIn connection, which I don't think people really fully understand the power behind

things like LinkedIn and social media connections when they're used properly. I mean, when you think about it, had it not been for LinkedIn, for a few comments, for interactions on, you know, through a keyboard, you and I never would have met in person and wouldn't be friends today. That's incredible when you think about it. That's absolutely true. Yeah, and it is really incredible. And we've had so many, we've met a couple times in person now. Yeah. Both times were just magical.

And you're absolutely right. mean, and it's all just the power of networking connections, right? So you and I met on LinkedIn through a dear friend of ours, Dan Bigger. And I think it's just a great shout out to Dan Bigger. It's a great just example of how important the relationships are in our lives and connection. You never know. Yeah, that connection. You never know how those relationships will lead to other really great relationships. So true.

All right. Well, let's kick things off with my interview with you. So before we begin, I would like to know what inspired this podcast for you. Great question. So when I was a little girl, I remember in sixth grade, I had a teacher, Mr. Larson, and I loved Mr. Larson, not going to lie. I had a little bit of a crush on Mr. Larson. He was an amazing teacher.

And if you've been lucky enough to have like a really great teacher in your life who sees you and gets you and champions you, it is such a gift. And he was that teacher for me. I felt like he saw me. And so he had this special group in the class that was called the skunk group. And there was just a few of us in that group, maybe four or five.

Now wait a minute, I have to know what the skunk group is. I know, right? Yeah. it's basically was, he would give us special projects, like extra assignments from the rest of the class. Okay. And he gave us an assignment to, I remember he gave an assignment to me where he wanted me to write a play about someone in history that I admired. And I love history. I've always loved history. It's, I don't know what it is. I think it's just the story of

people and how things, I don't know what, but I've always just been fascinated with history. So I loved this assignment. And immediately at this time, I had just finished reading a book called Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe. I don't know if you know that book, but I was just in love with that book. And so I knew that I wanted to write a play about someone during the Civil War era. And I specifically knew I wanted to write about Harriet Tubman.

She struck me as someone who just had such moxie. She rescued so many people through the Underground Road and helped so many people escape slavery. And she did it over and over and over again. So not only did she herself escape, but then she had the moxie and the service to be able to go back and say, I'm going to help other people too. I'm not just going to. And I think I just admire that so much. So anyways, I had to write this.

this play about Harriet Tubman and then perform it in front of the school board meeting. my God, perform it too? You had to write it and perform it? And I had to write it and perform it. And it was a special school board meeting where all of the like people from the school district teachers and everybody came in the evening and I had to go in the evening and share this play. And it was such a wonderful, like I just, you know, when you're doing something, Julie, and you can just tell in your heart, like, this is what you love. This is what you.

are meant to do. That's how I felt. like, I love telling this story, her story, and I love being able to perform it and share this message. And so that's kind of what inspired the show. wanted to create a space where women could come and share about the women who have inspired them in their lives. Because I think as women, we don't hear enough of those stories. No, we don't. We don't focus on them enough. We focus on all the

things that we're deficient in instead of focusing on the strengths. Yes, exactly. And I think it gives honor to the women who came before us to take time to remember, to stop and remember, you know, the sacrifices that they made, the difficult decisions they made, the challenges that they had to endure in order for us to be where we are now as women. know, mean, heck, own, we both own our own businesses.

You did you know before 1988, it wasn't possible for a woman to get a business loan without a man signing on it. Wow. 1988? 1988. In our lifetime, that wasn't a possibility. That's crazy. Right? And now here you and I are, we own our own successful businesses. And I think like, I just feel like we have to honor those women who came before us, who made it possible for us to be where we are today. And their stories give so much hope. And I think...

inspiration for the women that come after us as well. So that was my, my goal is I wanted this to be a celebratory place where we could bring those stories forward more and share them because they're not shared enough. And I think that's great. I think it's really cool. Yeah. So for you, how do you define Moxie? Ooh, yeah. So for me, Moxie is just pure.

determination in the face of massive resistance and deciding you're going to climb that wall no matter what, because that is what's true and congruent with who you are. And you're not going to let anything stop you. You're just going to go for it. And as you're climbing that wall, you're going to fall down. You're going to have to climb back up it again and try to get over. It's not going to be easy. But it's just this idea of

You just going to keep going for it and you're not going to let those setbacks stop you from pressing forward and getting over that wall of resistance. that's to me, Moxie is just like persistence and determination in the face of massive resistance and choosing to say yes to yourself when everyone else is saying no. So Moxie to you is juxtaposed with resistance. Yeah.

Because sometimes moxie is just drive or something impactful. Interesting. know, it's not necessarily, in my mind I'm saying, I think everyone views moxie differently, which is interesting too, because I'm sure there's a standard definition in the dictionary for what moxie is. And yet each woman that you probably speak to will come up with something different about what moxie means to them. Exactly.

Yep. So tell me a story about a time when you embodied Moxie and what it was like for you. okay. So I'll tell you story about, this is a story that happened last year actually. So fairly recently, I got a phone call one day from a partner of mine who owns an e-commerce agency.

and he and I have worked together on several projects. His name is Noah Okenberg and lovely, lovely gentleman. And he called me up one day in the fall and he's like, Nicole, I'm producing this conference. I'm putting on this conference in New York City. It's in three weeks. And I would love for you to be the keynote speaker. Three weeks.

Three weeks? Three weeks. my god. Now wait a minute, let me backtrack here a second. You are obviously not an introvert. I'm not an introvert? I am what I would classify as an extroverted introvert. So I can appear extroverted and appear like I am the center of the universe at times. And then I have to go home and skulk in the corner and re-energize for a few days. So three weeks, I just had a panic attack and I wasn't even there or asked to speak.

Yeah. Go ahead. And he, was the most beautiful conversation. And he was just like, I would love for you to share your experience, your journey. And I, and, and you know, you'd be fantastic. And I remember sitting there thinking my initial reaction, we said that was what's special about my story. Truly. I was like, I don't see how anything, you know, that was my initial reaction. Really? Yeah. Shame on you. Isn't interesting about women? How we think that.

It is interesting and very common. Yeah. And I remember thinking that and he was telling me, he's like, you'd be fantastic. I'd love for you to come in. And I sat and I processed it and I was like, you know what? Let me think about it. I need to think about it for a day. That's how I am. like, I got to sleep on it. I'm all. Yeah. So I spent some time really thinking about it. And you know, the funny thing is, is I journal pretty regularly. And one of the things I like to journal about is

you know, obviously, you know, what are some of my dreams? What are some of the things I wanna accomplish in the next five to 10 years? And I also journal about like accomplishments, things that wins that I had over the past six months. I'll take time to say what were my biggest wins the last six months? And what are some of the things that I wanna, you know, accomplish next? And what was really interesting is I had written in my journal, probably a year or two, I can't remember exactly, a year or two before he asked me to do this.

that I wanted to do public speaking, that I wanted to get on stage and actually do this. So you manifested it in your journal. I manifested it in my journal. I wrote it in my journal. And then I didn't ask for it in my journal, but I didn't ask for it in real life. And then here is this person who I really respect, who came to me and said, you know what, Nicole, I would really love for you to do this.

And to me, was manifesting to me. was like, this is something that has been a goal of mine to do at some point in my career. how can I, I have to, I got to do this, you know? So I told them I'd do it and I had three weeks to prepare my keynote. How long does a keynote speech have to be or to be a keynote speaker?

It depends. thankfully, thankfully this one was only 25 minutes, but the normal average for keynote is 50 minutes. Right. So it's almost an hour of you on stage speaking alone. Exactly. Yeah. And so- something to say if you're on stage for an hour. Right? my gosh, you're not kidding. And so anyway, so I was like, you know what, I'm going to do this. And three weeks I wrote my keynote speech. I would pace my house saying it over and over again. I recorded myself in front of my kids.

And I'd watch myself back to just see like, my gosh, what do need to change? I'm clenching my hands. I need to like, you know, all of that kind of stuff. Like I leaned into it. I was like, if I'm going to do this keynote, I'm going to just dedicate everything possible to making this like truly authentic to me and my story. And that's what my keynote was. was just, it was my story, my experience helping this client go through the process of digital transformation and all the lessons learned. And I was,

That was a moment of moxie for me. And I'll never forget when I got on that stage in New York, I went to the venue the day before and I got on the stage and I'm telling you, I got the goose pimples. I was like, my gosh, I cannot wait to do this. And I just knew, I was like, this is, I'm so excited. And the next day I just, of course it's scary to get on stage in front of people.

hundreds of people that you don't know. And it's a male dominated audience, let's be real. So there was definitely some fear and imposter syndrome there that I had to acknowledge. But I was like, whatever, I'm going to just go get up there and tell my story and lean into it. And I did, and I loved it. And was fantastic. the most beautiful part of that experience, the part of it that I think just

I loved the most is the relationships and the people that I met from doing that, that I would have never met had I not said yes and done it. And relationships that I cherish to this day that have dear friendships. so I think sometimes my biggest learning and takeaway from that is to lean in and do the hard things because of the connection and the wonderful relationships that are going to be waiting for you on the other side. And the potential to be able to say to yourself, look what I did.

Yes. Yes. So You don't have to say that out loud, but in your internal dialogue can tell you, you know, can have a conversation. Just don't do it out loud. People will think you're crazy. Yes. Okay. So who's a woman in history you admire and why do you admire her? yeah. Well, I mentioned at the top of the show, I really admire Harriet Tubman. And what's really cool is my daughter and I, my nine year old, we just, you know, we love to watch movies together.

She's a little movie buff with me. And as she's been getting older, I've been introducing her to a lot of the movies I loved when I was growing up. And so it's really fun. you know, we watch a lot of the old nineties, rom-coms and all that kind of stuff. But anyway, I digress. So the other day we were on Netflix just browsing around and happened upon this movie called Harriet and it was about Harriet Tubman. I was like, how did I not know this movie existed? It just came out like within the last four years.

And I told you about how I wrote the play when I was in sixth grade. Well, I was like, Charlotte, we should watch this movie. And she's like, mom, I love Harriet Tubman. You didn't even know she did? didn't even know she did. She said, I learned about her in school today and I had to do an assignment on her. I was like, my gosh, we got to watch this movie. And I was like, I love her too. So anyway, we watched the movie together and we were both just riveted the whole time. And as I sat there watching the movie with her, I was just so

happy to be able to see this beautiful, like across the generation, she was able to watch this woman from 150 years ago face, you know, with incredible moxie face, incredible resistance. And, you know, just keep on again and again and again, going back and trying to help people escape slavery. And just to see her that example, shoot for her about her to be able to watch that example and know like what's possible for her like if Harriet Tubman

who was abused, who was a woman in slavery, who suffered and struggled all of her, most of her life, could step up and stand up and be able to do what she did and to help the people that she did. Like, why not me? Why not my daughter Charlotte? If she could do it and she could face such incredible persecution and injustice and unfairness and suffer the abuse that she did and be able to overcome it, like, geez.

Why not? And it was just at the end of the movie, my daughter was just, she just loved, loved the movie we both did. And so that is a woman that I just really truly love and admire. And I loved how connected she was spiritually. She was a very spiritual woman. She had a very close connection to God. And I really admire that about her. she, it's like she had this spiritual,

ability, I don't know, to be able to just this intuition within her. She had this discernment within her to know where she needed to go, how she needed to get there, and who she needed to ask to help. anyway, I think that that's a really powerful gift that she had that we as women can tap into is that internal intuition and discernment and whether or not you're religious or not, that ability to connect with the...

higher power, the universe or whatever it is, to find your way forward. And to know your purpose. I think she knew her purpose. I think it really boils down to knowing what it is you should be doing and then doing it. And not letting the odds stack against you. She had all of these odds stacked against her. And as you said, she did it anyway. So what excuse do we have in modern times really when you think about it other than getting in our own way often?

You said it so true. mean, I really truly believe that we are the ones that hold ourselves back more than anybody else. You know, I'm going to give a little sneak preview to one of the episodes, but one of the guests on the episodes that I just interviewed shared something so beautifully about that, the world, there's going to be plenty of people in the world who are going to tell you no. So don't be the one to tell yourself no. That's very true. I love that.

The other thing that comes up a lot with women is we all think that it's been done before, so why should we do it? No one wants us to do it. And I'm a big believer that sometimes things need to be heard in your voice. that's really true and beautiful. Because, you know, I mean, we're all different. And I can say one thing, it can be presented a completely different way, but saying the same thing could, you could say the same thing. And then, you know, somebody else hears it from you.

and absorbs it better from your voice or better from mine. That's how the world connects.

Absolutely. Yep. Very true. Yeah. I was just talking with a friend of mine this morning about my, here I go. The tangent. It's all good. my gosh. I was just talking to for the friend of mine this morning about that. And she shared something about how when you apply knowledge from your own experience, that equals wisdom. And to your point, like every person has their own individual experience.

that they can apply knowledge to so that wisdom is going to look and feel different depending on who it is. So an original idea, if you and I both produced a podcast called, not that it would be called the same thing, but say we both produced a podcast about Moxie or we both produced a podcast about reinvention, either way we would both bring things that were unique to the table even though we're talking about similar things. That's just the nature of

you know, human beings and how different we are, but also how connected we are. So true. Absolutely. So what future challenges do you anticipate happening in marketing and what do think women can do now to prepare for said challenges? Yeah, so I think what is becoming very clear is that the pace of change is happening so rapidly now.

my God, isn't it though? It is so impossible to even predict or know what the change is going to look like. It's not even just the change, it's the pace of the change. And especially as knowledge workers and marketing, we're knowledge workers. With what's happening with AI, it's very...

unsettling because we don't really know what the role of the knowledge worker truthfully and the creative is going to be in 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Or even if it's going to exist in 5, 10, 15 years. That's a lot of people's concern. Do you find it interesting that, and just as a quick aside, do you find it interesting that AI basically has come for creatives first? mean, engineering is structured, there's starts and finishes, and yet

The AI algorithms, whatever you want to call them, have been structured around creative endeavors and not things that have more structure to them. find that very interesting. Like doing my dishes or my laundry. Right, exactly. I'd much rather have AI do those menial tasks for me than try to create something that is I just think it's so weird. I mean, I get it, I guess, but...

I'm also little annoyed at it because of course I have skin in the game as you do. absolutely. So it's caused me to reflect a lot on, what is it that makes us human? What is it that we can lean into that AI just simply cannot? And I thought about this a lot and the thing that I think makes us, that's always going to separate us from AI. There's, Elon Musk said that there's this big...

artificial general intelligence, which is basically this idea or this reality, frankly, that we have to come to terms with that AI is going to be smarter than the smartest human. Okay. And that's a little scary to think about that possibility that these artificial, you know, computers essentially, are going to be able to handle creative tasks, any kinds of tasks faster and better than we can. And that introduces a lot of like, if you think about as women, we already struggle with imposter syndrome.

already. Very much so. And this idea that now computer is going to be able to do something faster and smarter and better than us just means that the pressures that we as women are going to face and the imposter syndrome that we're going to face the next five, 10, 15, 20 years is only going to escalate. So in my perspective on this is the one thing that separates us from AI is that we have a body. AI will never have a body.

And so to me, I think about what can I experience as a woman in my body that I can learn, gain wisdom, do that AI can never take from me? How can I experience the world with my five senses as much as possible and connect and ground myself in the things that my body can do outside in nature, all of those things? How can I create space and stillness that way and connect?

to the universe in a way that AI never can? And maybe, like, I don't know, maybe the answer is rather than us trying to just keep up and try to run and try to do as much as possible to keep up with the pace of change, what if instead we met that with slowing down? What would it like as women if we stopped and we embraced and gave ourselves more space and time to be still?

and to play. I don't know what the output of that will be, but instead of competing with AI for output, how can we just create this new pathway somehow? I don't know. Interesting. I've been thinking about it. It's something I'm pondering in my mind, what that would look like. As someone who's been creative my entire life, I think that what I find right now missing from AI

is the emotional connection to whatever it's producing. as a person who creates, you create something and you, unfortunately or fortunately, depending on the circumstances, can be emotionally connected to it. And when you create for business, that develops into something that's a little bit of a challenge because you can't be emotionally connected to something that someone else is going to critique and want to change. And that's natural in a business environment. But let's just say I'm painting or I'm...

creating something for myself or I'm shooting photographs of a person or whatever. The one differentiator that I don't think AI that I've seen so far can duplicate is my emotions in relation to that creation. Now, is it coming? I believe it's coming. I think that they do something, to me it feels like fake emotion, almost like, okay, so feel sadness and create this...

I don't know, a visual image based on sadness and darkness or I don't know, something. You can put prompts in to get emotional responses from AI, but it's not authentic. You're so true about that. the way AI is now, you raise such a great point, way AI is now, you can tell that it's artificial when you see an image.

I can tell the writing style. and sense it. I remember reading something recently about when an artist creates a piece of art, there's actually like a cellular experience that happens so that whenever someone views that piece of art, it's like they're experiencing it from the artist's own viewed, experienced, I don't even know how to, it's like this neurological phenomenon that they've actually studied to show.

And like, think as you were saying that, just made me think of that, that there's just no way, it's like the connection, the connection between the artist and the viewer. you're not creating as an artist for the viewer. You're creating for yourself. But what you're doing is you're exposing a piece of yourself to the viewer. And I think the strongest artists and the most connected artists are the ones that are willing to be the most vulnerable. And people struggle with vulnerability.

AI doesn't know what vulnerable is. Some people view vulnerability as a weakness. In fact, if you are able to be vulnerable, to me that's a superpower. And art is essentially being vulnerable at its core. It's showing people how you see the world, and by doing so you're exposing parts of yourself.

I owned an art gallery for 10 years. I don't know if you remember that in our discussions, Nicole. what you said about that connection, that cellular connection between the artist and the viewer is very true. When you stand in front of artwork, I used to tell clients that would come in, know, art should make you feel something. And then they would look at something and say, I don't like that. And I would say to them, did you feel something?

Meaning, you know, it's not that you're going to feel something good all the time. You're going to feel something. So you might walk up to a piece and it makes you feel disturbed or uncomfortable. And then some pieces might make you feel connected or happy or I don't know, they might just feel a certain way to you that isn't negative. So it could go either way, but either way, you're still feeling something. And that's the beauty of art. And I don't see AI.

being able to quite reproduce that to the level that a human can. Now I could be wrong, but that's just me and how I view it. Yeah, I think that's really beautiful and I think very true. I know that you frequently ask this question to guests that you've interviewed. So tell me at least one or two things that are lighting you up right now, exciting you about life. What is lighting me up? I am going to London on Saturday for the very first time.

never been to London and I am completely lit up that I get to go and experience that city. I've never lived in the city, but I love visiting beautiful cities. New York City is like my favorite city. Love big cities. So I'm lit up that I get to be in London. I'm going to be speaking at a conference and I'm doing what I love there, meeting with some amazing people and just getting to experience the city and

I'm going to spend some time after the conference just on my own for several days to just explore. I'm lit up that I get to be in that wonderful place alone, just to connect with myself and to just experience some beautiful art and history and shopping and food, like all the things I love. So that's lighting me up. And then the other thing that's lighting me up that immediately comes to my mind is just my two daughters. They are just...

they just light up my life. So like my youngest last night, I was putting her to bed. She's like, Mom, come here. Come into my bed. I'm like, okay. I come into the bed and she just wraps her arms around me and says, Mom, I love you. that's so sweet. So sweet. I literally, I was like, why does she want me to, I was like, what does she want to do? Why did, why am I coming to this bed? I thought she was going to do something to me when I got in there. didn't know. And she literally just put her arms around me and said, I love you. And

I just love my girls. They light me up. They bring me so much joy and so much of what I do. This project, a lot of it is for them. I want to show them what's possible for them. I want them to be confident in who they are and what their voices are and what their opinions are and their thoughts are. I want them to live their lives with such just congruence and authenticity and vulnerability.

And so they light me up and because they light me up, it's kind of like inspires me to want to do projects like this that can hopefully be an inspiration for them. So, and my oldest daughter lights me up. She's a little performer. She's a little thespian. just saw her perform in Mary Poppins. She played the part of Bert. And I got to tell you, when she got on that stage, she just lit up the stage and I was captivated and seeing her up there just 13 years old.

just with such confidence and she knows who she is, she believes in herself. And to see that is a massive inspiration for me because when I was 13, did not, I could never have imagined myself stepping onto a stage like that. I don't know, they're lighting me up and there's a lot more that's lighting me up, but those are the two things that come to my mind immediately. Those are pretty important things. And I think when your children want to be around you, you've done something right.

You're so wise, I'm not. I'm really not. I'm a collection of all the things I've encountered. That's all I am. that's true. Very true. I want to know what's lighting you up, Julie. What's lighting me up? That's an interesting question. I have to say that all of the podcasts that I produce for clients, for myself, I love doing it. I love speaking to people. I love recording.

I love being able to make other people who are recording sound amazing. I really enjoy that. I would say that's one of the things that's lighting me up. And I mean, I'd have to give that one some thought. I'll have to get back to you on that. I got to say, it's so clear that lights you up because you have such passion for it and just such commitment to doing exceptional work. And I'm glad to have you on the team. You're awesome. I'm glad to be on the team. Yay.

All right, so we're going to wrap this episode up with one last question. Okay. It's what advice would you pass on to future women?

You know, I'm stumped at the moment, Julie. So give me a second to think. What advice would I pass on to future women? I'm going to start you off with something my mother said to me and my sister when we were growing up. And it was, and now my mother was born in the 1939. So she was, you know, in the fifties and that's fifties and sixties era of, you know, she was a stay at home mom and

Then she went to work once we got into high school and college. But she used to say to us, always be able to take care of yourself. If you meet people in your life that can take care of you, that's great. But if you're always able to take care of yourself, you will never be left in a situation where you're struggling or can't do what you need to do to keep yourself whole and going and keep yourself going.

Always be able to take care of yourself is a very, it's a very simple statement. But coming from a woman of that era and also coming from a woman in general, like that's, that wasn't really something that you heard back then very often. And it's interesting because both me and my sister have been very career driven and both of us have done an okay job at always being able to take care of ourselves.

and things have been thrown our way, life circumstances and all the good things that happen in life and we've navigated them. Sometimes more successfully than others, but for the most part we've navigated them. And I know that that quote stuck with my sister as well. You definitely embody that, that's for sure. That's really cool. think if I can think about the advice I'd give to women, your example really sums it up is to remember and take the time.

learn about the women who came before you. The women, your mom, your grandparent, your grandmas, your aunts, learn about the women in your family line who came before you and the women in history who came before you and really take the time to know what they did, what they thought, what their thoughts were, what they believed about the world, what they valued. Take the time to learn those things and let that inspire you.

and figure out how you can honor them and honor their legacy and the choices that you make every day. And yeah, that's I think the advice I'd give. I found a lot of joy and purpose myself when I've taken time to do that with my own family. And I know that it's something that can help other women too. That's amazing advice and it can certainly teach you a lot about yourself and where you came from. Yes. Because we are all, you know, a product of someone else.

or many someone else's when you think about it. know it's really interesting to think about like our cells and our body are literally the combined intelligence of millennia of people. I know. It's so cool. So wow, this is so fun, Julie. Thank you so much for having me on my own podcast. I was going to say thank you for having me, but I guess yeah, we're a little flipped around right now in terms of our roles.

This is actually so much fun to be able to interview you since I've, you know, producing your podcast, I've been able to listen to you interview others. So this was actually very much an honor and I appreciate you choosing me. You're welcome. The pleasure was all mine, Julie. In today's episode, we learn about Harriet Tubman, a fearless freedom fighter who escaped slavery and dedicated her life to liberating others through the Underground Railroad.

I fell in love with Harriet Tubman when I was 11 years old. She had the gift of discernment and was deeply intuitive. Born into bondage around 1820 in Maryland, she endured brutal abuse, including a traumatic head injury that caused lifelong seizures. Yet her indomitable spirit prevailed. Tubman made around 20 perilous trips to the South, rescuing over three

hundred enslaved people and guiding them to freedom in the north and Canada. A spy and nurse during the Civil War, she was a trailblazer who embodied courage, resilience and an unwavering commitment to justice. I treasure the way she describes her profound experience upon finally reaching freedom after escaping slavery in 1849.

I looked at my hands to see if I was the same person. There was such a glory over everything. The sun came up like gold through the trees and I felt like I was in heaven. Harriet's life was one of purpose of service, risk-taking and fierce determination to overcome obstacles to reach freedom. If ever someone could embody Moxie, it was her.

So my question for you is, as you join us on this journey of celebration, self-discovery, and empowerment, what are some of the freedoms you've experienced in your life? And how can you celebrate those freedoms? And what is one risk you can take to get to a higher level of freedom in your life? That's a wrap for today's episode of Hello Moxie.

I hope you felt that unbreakable thread connecting you to the women of the past, to the trailblazing pioneers of today. Their stories of audacity, resilience, and courage are a powerful reminder of what's possible for you when you choose to live with Moxie.