Generation X Paranormal
Generation X Paranormal Podcast: Exploring the Unexplained, One Mystery at a Time
Delve into the world of the mysterious with Generation X Paranormal, a gripping podcast hosted by the dynamic duo, Logan and Nicole. Each episode takes you on an immersive journey through spine-chilling paranormal encounters, unsolved mysteries, cryptid sightings, and supernatural phenomena. From haunted locations and ghostly legends to UFO encounters and Bigfoot investigations, Generation X Paranormal fearlessly explores the unexplained with a blend of curiosity, wit, and reverence.
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Paranormal Frequency: with Christopher Jordan
Discover the mesmerizing world of sound and its profound effects on the human mind with our intriguing guest, Christopher Jordan. Renowned for his avant-garde musical compositions, Christopher takes us through his journey of integrating resonant frequencies from the solar system and binaural beats into therapeutic soundscapes. With a background steeped in psychology and enriched through experiences at the Monroe Institute, he explores how these auditory creations serve not only as artistic expressions but also as tools for emotional and spiritual healing.
We also venture into the fascinating realm of brainwave entrainment and therapy, where sound frequencies harmonize brain activity for therapeutic benefits. Learn how specific tones, such as the 396 megahertz cycle bowl, can synchronize brain patterns and support personal healing journeys, much like the effects of EMDR therapy for trauma. The conversation highlights the intricate connection between brain hemispheres and their influence on the body, shedding light on the potential of sound-based therapies to complement traditional methods.
Our journey doesn't stop there. We explore how ancient cultures, from Greek amphitheaters to the echoing chambers of Chichen Itza, mastered natural acoustics and aligned their structures with celestial phenomena. Experience the blend of ancient wisdom with modern scientific curiosity as we discuss the societal impacts of negative news cycles, the evolution of craftsmanship in a tech-driven world, and the challenges of scientific inquiry into unidentified phenomena. Join us in this expansive discussion, where curiosity and open-mindedness are the keys to unlocking new understandings.
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Speaker 2:That's where a lot of this is rooted. You know, just making music, things like that, but specifically resonant frequencies, things like that have always fascinated me, and that's what, between that and my fascination with psychology and abnormal psychology, specifically subliminal psychology that it led me down a bunch of research paths that eventually ended up in the world of the Monroe Institute and binaural beats.
Speaker 1:Generation X Paranormal. Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 3:Hey everyone.
Speaker 1:I'm Logan, I'm Nicole and we're Generation X. Paranormal, you know, again we have one of those episodes.
Speaker 3:Don't say the words.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to, Even though it does apply. Yeah, I know I'm not going to do it, but even though it does apply yeah, I know I'm not going to do it, but this doesn't necessarily although I still think it does, but doesn't fall under the general paranormal norm, the typical, the typical right, and it's unfortunate because I think it does include that and I think it's important. But anyway, going a really long way to tell you we have a great show today and we have a very special guest, christopher Jordan. And what can you tell us about Christopher?
Speaker 3:So Christopher Jordan composes instrumental music incorporating everything from frequencies from within the solar system to binaural beats and even brainwave frequencies. His soothing and calming music is designed to help listeners relax, and each track is designed to be used as a tool for meditation and to help listeners reach deeper levels of relaxation and self-exploration. He is also the host of the Curious Realm, a program that explores interesting and unusual topics related to science, technology, history and culture.
Speaker 1:Awesome, let's get him on, let's talk to them. Well, hey, christopher, welcome to Generation X Paranormal. Hey, thank you guys so much for having me today. Oh, we're excited. You know, when it comes to the paranormal, I often hesitate to kind of what we're going to talk about necessarily being paranormal, but for me I see it more in the vein of, for like, meditation and and spiritual healing and things like that. So, however people want to classify that, if they want to call it paranormal, I don't really care. It's our show, we'll do what we want to do. But but but listen, we're absolutely excited to have you. Before we kind of get into the nuts and bolts of everything, can you kind of give our audience like a 30,000 foot view flyover, kind of a little bit about yourself and kind of how you got started and everything?
Speaker 2:living have been for, I guess, the better part of my life now, and that's where a lot of this is rooted just making music, things like that. But specifically resonant frequencies, things like that have always fascinated me, and that's what, between that and my fascination with psychology and abnormal psychology, specifically subliminal psychology that it led me down a bunch of research paths that eventually ended up in the world of the Monroe Institute and binaural beats, I ended up getting a tiny little machine. There it is the Voyager XL, there it is the Voyager X1. Voyager XL. This thing used to be available at Sharper Image.
Speaker 3:Oh yes.
Speaker 2:And it came with like a series of tapes. It has like a little input where you would input your Walkman and play their tapes, where it was like a guided meditation that would like you know, 15 minutes a day, quit smoking in a month, things like that, and it would have binaural beat patterns in the background of like the machine would play the binaural beats. You could put your own music over it whatever you wanted to with the Walkman input. So it was pretty cool. And when I started making music myself and doing a lot of avant-garde music very representative things, more sonics and sound than melody and harmony I started incorporating frequencies like that into my music, more to guide the listener to the emotion that I was wanting them to feel than them for any kind of therapeutic use. Um, very much in the same way that soundscape artists use things in reverse and stuff like that to feed off of your psyche.
Speaker 2:Um, so yeah um, that's, that's where a lot of this became rooted. So awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you, did you ever have? Like you know, and I noticed with with a lot of people, usually there's an event or something that happens in their life that kind of pulls them into that perspective. Was there anything that kind of? I guess, uh, locked it into place for you, for lack of better words um, when it comes to the paranormal, I would say absolutely.
Speaker 2:Um, there was a situation I guess I was probably about 16 years old at the time. Um, yeah, I would have to be because I entered the seminary and became I turned 18 after I was in the seminary mass. Uh, nobody else that I know in that church that day was there with me. Uh, experienced that, felt that. Um, so that that led me down a pretty deep spiritual path pretty fast in life.
Speaker 2:Um and and from there thing. Things just grew as as, uh, my interests grew and of course interests in things like this even led me down a lot of esoteric paths and a lot of paths of adjunct knowledge, things like that. So I consider myself now very much a recovering Catholic. I still hold a lot of my faith, but much more my faith in the universe and things like that than dogma and doctrine Sure.
Speaker 1:So yeah, no that makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing that. And the reason I ask that is you know we've been doing this long enough for you to realize that. You know none of us ever set forward in this path. So I think a lot of us were just kind of pulled into. Whether it's paranormal, whatever container you want to put it in, you know I always find that interesting. So I appreciate you sharing that. You know getting into this and it, I guess, for me, I find it first of all for any of our audience that doesn't understand some of this binaural and I know we'll get into kind of the more you know. I guess we could say granularity of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nuts and bolts right nuts and bolts.
Speaker 1:It is a. It is a very well studied um. You know, not just because I know a lot of people will probably automatically think well, you know it's real woohoo and all these other things, but it's not there. There's a lot of scientists, scientific basis for what we're about to talk about. So I kind of want to do that up front because you know, and I know you get a little laugh here or maybe you don't, but you know some of these people think about, like Ross from Friends sitting there with his sound and he's trying to, you know, come up with this sound or something that it's all this like crazy woohoo, but it's not, you know. And so, yeah, that's just something I wanted to offer kind of at the top, and if you wanted to speak a little bit more to that, chris, feel free. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's interesting because even even now, um things, things are changing when it comes to the woo. Um, so to speak.
Speaker 2:Like I I I'm a annual sponsor of the remote viewing association conference A lot of people would consider that woo, even though it started in a laboratory you know, and and even the idea of quantum entanglement, in the last year and a half winning the Nobel peace prize for physics, and the idea that, despite our distance right now, our electrons can influence each other Absolutely, despite our distance right now, by our ninth grade science, we're sharing an electron shell, we are vibration. That's just physics, exactly so. It's pretty interesting. It's kind of like whenever people are like, oh, you know crystals, you know. It's like, yeah, you know what's really interesting they're. They're actively looking at a crystal wafer right now, the size of a quarter that'll hold 300 terabytes of data.
Speaker 2:That's right and almost the temperature of the sun, without deprecating it. Yeah, so it's interesting to me how, yeah, most people do not understand the utter tie between these strange things in the actual physical world and scientific world around them. You know even the idea of, okay crystals, vibrations I guess that's woo. I guess so are lithium ion crystals that we use to power all of our devices. So are the liquid crystals that are used in liquid crystal displays to make everything that we see on our devices, the crystals that are used to make the microchips and diodes, and germanium crystals for the transistors. You know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Great way to put it.
Speaker 2:It's just funny because the two are hand in hand.
Speaker 1:They are, absolutely are, and I'm so glad I pitched that to you and you crushed it, because it's exactly you know what I really like to hammer home. It's just like you know it's. It's not woohoo. Yes, granted, there's some stuff that may may fall out of norm and tradition that you're used to, but you know, it's just anyway.
Speaker 3:I could probably talk nauseam over, but I mean, people don't learn this though.
Speaker 2:That's the thing is, you're not educated enough to know these things you have to learn it on your own or go searching for it, absolutely yeah, you do have to deep dive, and it's interesting because, um, there are numerous things out there I mean, right over me right now is a is a image of the chakras. Um, this is a concept that's been around for thousands of years now in in ancient culture. Um, but when you start looking at the idea of, yes, every note on the musical scale has a corresponding color, um, by vibration is vision and sound, you bet, um, it's, it's both. So it's. It's pretty interesting. Even the idea that more than 98% of the spectrum is not visible or audible to us. Absolutely Right, absolutely More than.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we see exactly like 4.7 terahertz worth of data in that, in that spectrum. Absolutely, so, there are. There are all kinds of things directly adjunct to us. Um, like maureen seberg is a fascinating person to talk to because she's she's actually a tetrachromic, she's one of the people, one of that and I forget what the odds are I think it's like one in every, like a hundred million or something like that, are tetrachromic where, including red, blue and green, they see yellow, so they see the world like a parrot where there's like another million colors available to their eye palette. Wow, it's. It's pretty phenomenal to think about that there are people out there that actively see a whole world of color that is not even available to our eyes.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Beautifully said. That's so perfect, yeah, so let's get into some nuts and bolts. Again, I really am excited. You know we're always excited to talk to our guests, but this one I find so much more. I really, I guess basically because I resonate with a lot of this and we'll get into some of that too, but kind of starting from the top, can you explain a little bit about brainwave entrainment, tell us a little bit about what? I guess what that entails.
Speaker 2:Entrainment, Tell us a little bit about what I guess what that entails. Sure, and I mean, we've been talking about a part of the basis of it, which is, you know, frequency therapy, the idea of being able to use a dedicated frequency to entrain your brain. The idea is that if you use, for instance, a 396 megahertz cycle bowl, it's good for the heart chakra, things like that. That's an isolated frequency that you're exposing your body and your brain to by playing that bowl. You know, if you hang around guitar players long enough, if you hang around a piano player, you may become familiar with the way that their fingers work and the way that the sounds happen.
Speaker 2:However, if you start taking piano lessons, your brain goes through a different function. Your fingers start getting involved, different parts of your brain start getting involved, different parts of your brain start getting involved. So, while you can give yourself a healing bath of sound with a meditative bowl crystal bowl, tibetan hammered bowl what have you? Using a binaural beat, you're basically using your brain to create that frequency. So, instead of giving your brain 396 hertz, you're going to give it two offset frequencies that total to 396 hertz. Okay, one in one ear, one in the other. So it's two different tones activating the two different sides of your brain and it sounds like a wobble, kind of like whenever you roll the windows down in the car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that bump and it's like boop boop, boop, boop, boop boop, because it's two different pressures going at the same time. Okay, so, yeah, yeah, it's fascinating because once you start doing that, your brain actively eventually picks up and goes hey, wait a minute. You know, this would be a whole lot more comfortable for us all if we just met in the middle.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How about we just do 396? Hmm, so your brain actively starts creating the frequencies when you use binaural beats as opposed to standard entrainment, which is the idea of. Entrainment, is in physics. If you've ever seen the pendulum experiment I know the Mythbusters did that a few years ago where you swing pendulums in two different directions and eventually they sync up. Our brains want to do the same thing. We do it regularly, even if my wife is about a foot shorter than me. Our strides are nowhere near the same. Somehow or another we match up on footsteps going down the hallway. We match up, then we fall out. We match up again, then we fall out. Our brains want to do that. They want to be in a pattern, they want to join in a pattern that's nearby, and it's pretty interesting how most of our life is lived autonomically in a pattern.
Speaker 2:We don't even think about it. Like if you drive to work every day, you're going through an autonomic response. It's pretty rare that you recognize the eight exits between you and work. Right, you know you go into a state of hypnosis. Yeah, your body goes through it every day. From the day that you've learned to walk. You've never thought about walk. You've thought about. Let me get something from the refrigerator and your brain automatically picks you up from the couch and carries you there. You don't think about the process of getting in, unless you're in a very, very altered state where messages in your brain are firing at different places. You weren't thinking about what the body has to do to get there and do it. Sure, that makes perfect sense. It's pretty interesting how most of our brain, most of our activity, is done autonomically. We don't really have to think about it necessarily.
Speaker 1:Yeah, binaural beats. I got to admit I'm I'm really blown away because I'm at a. I'm at a junction in my life where, you know, I'm a previous military person. I've been through a lot of trauma, I've done a lot of different things and one of the therapies in fact probably the the therapy that has helped me the most has been EMDR. And if, if people aren't familiar with that, um, trust me, there's a whole lot under that hood. But part of that process is a left, right, left right, left, right, left right. You're right, it's like a binary kind of therapy. Yeah, and I have found and again, I'm not a doctor or anything like that, but it benefited me tremendously over talk therapy because my brain, like you said, was learning that from a different, whether that be frequency, whatever that is, it did have a tremendous impact and I don't know if the two are related, I'm not sure Is that like the electromagnetic disruptors?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's a couple of different ways I think they do it.
Speaker 2:yeah I met a company at pes, yeah, that that was making those for ptsd victims from from battle, absolutely, and that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they put like kind of electrodes or not electrodes, you know buzzers for lack of better words in your hands, and it and it and it, exactly exactly and it, and then it's just, it's amazing because and again, my audience, our audience knows me, I, I I'm a pretty open book, but, um, you, you remember so many interesting sense uh, I shouldn't say senses but um, so many different things that you don't think you'd remember prior to that. Like I remembered textures, I remember different colors, different smells that I would have never remembered had I not gone through that. But again, I don't know that the two are related, but I find it interesting that there's some correlation between that. I don't know that binaural pathway that our brain operates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and it's because your right side is connected to the left side of your brain. Your left side is connected to the right side of your brain. It's pretty wild. It's. One of the indicators that doctors have for strokes is, if we can't find it, we can track it down by which parts are affected by the stroke. So yeah, it's. It's pretty interesting once you start getting into the actual neuroscience behind things and how it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and and again. Another thing that happened is I had a brain bleed and when I had the brain bleed it was on the left side, but my entire right side was was affected. So a lot of people don't realize that, whatever hemisphere that you're dealing with, it's actually the opposite side that's responding to it. So it's even more kind of you know, interwound, if you will. But, anyway, enough about my history.
Speaker 2:But the therapy that you're doing is very, very similar to binaural beats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, it resonated with me when you started saying that I'm like god. That sounds super familiar yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:It is very much this, the same operating principle awesome.
Speaker 1:okay, let's talk about the meditation, about it, and sure, we we spoke with, uh, dr kimberly mcgeorge and yeah, she, she told us a little bit about the frequency, healing and different portions, that that she studies and that she that she does as well, but coming from a perspective of using, using music, using that type of frequency, can you tell me a little bit about how you, what you do, aids people in that meditation and that therapy, how, what?
Speaker 2:you do aids people in that meditation and that therapy. Well, most of what I'm using are sulfeggio ranges, things like that. Also different known ranges of brainwave activity. You know, once you start looking into things, you can see what the megahertz rates for alpha waves are, things like that. Beta waves, um, knowing that gamma waves put you into a deeper state of sleep, things like that. So, um, marrying, marrying the actual brain waves, uh, their ranges, and what they do with known therapeutic ranges that have been used, um, for even even relief of addiction, things like that. Um, but a lot of my work in the last year or so has become, uh, very specified and targeted. I mean even even to the point of helping specific targeted individuals with their issues, uh, that they have, crafting specific music just for them and the issues that they have, wow. So, yeah, like you can, you can get very drilled down with it. It's, it's pretty interesting, yeah that is very interesting.
Speaker 1:I didn't know you could do. I didn't know you could get kind of like a specific. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I know we have. Is it four, 32? I think, it's four 32. We downloaded for our foster daughter while she was going through some difficult times and I had read an article.
Speaker 1:something about that was supposed to be calming, or help with anxiety or something, and it did seem to help actually to tell you the truth we on our drive home yeah, a long distance, and I think three of us were just like it's like I better turn this off.
Speaker 3:It was like late.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah no, many years ago, whenever I did, whenever I used to put the trap, the binaural beats and things behind my uh, avant-garde music, I was on the radio with, with my avant-garde music. I was on the radio with, with my avant-garde music once a month as a local composer in Houston and we would have to warn people like please do not listen to this while you're driving. And that's like I typically knew I did my job, because at some point, um and I mean, granted, the show was like midnight on a Sunday night, but I normally knew I did my point, because the DJ would start nodding off as he was listening to music in his headphones. He'd be like, wow, man, like that just took me somewhere.
Speaker 3:It really does. I still do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's just it. Like one of the albums that I made many years ago. That was really one of the first ones that I made in the meditation world. I'm working on rebooting it right now and remastering a lot of the tracks that are there, but it was called Ecliptic and it was actually made utilizing frequencies from the planets, their moons, recordings from from them, things like that for people who do planetary meditation, right so that? Yeah, same same way that the zodiac works, where when Pluto is closer to Earth, like it is right now, you know it it rings in your chart more. What a better time to use the frequencies of Pluto to actively meditate, sure you know than when they're closer to you, you know just to kind of touch on that.
Speaker 3:I didn't even know that was a thing.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't either, to be honest. I do know this. Anybody who's ever gone down the YouTube rabbit hole at two o'clock in the morning, guilty, eventually stumbles across a video where there you can get the frequency or sound of planets. I don't know if you when they he's talking about yeah, when they get to like jupiter or I can't remember if it's jupiter or saturn the noise that comes off of that thing is is so overpowering in fact it's I'll be honest, with a little off-putting it's kind of scary a little bit.
Speaker 2:It's wild yeah, it's wild, it's. It's really interesting and years ago I mean, god, I was probably, I was probably eight, something like that national geographic released the uh voyager recordings and and it was like a a tiny little cellophane 45 that you had to put on your record player I remember that way down with quarters but you could you could like listen to the sounds of Jupiter and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So it was just yeah thing that that was. That was really my first, I guess, concept meditation album out there. Now, now I've got them for like meditation and cosmic journeys, which is specifically for people who do astral projection things like that. Um, I wrote one for my son while he was in utero, so I wrote one specifically to help soothe children to sleep and help soothe adhd minds.
Speaker 3:Um, so, yeah, that's the one we were listening to yeah, we're very yes yeah, is that the one where it has like a kind of like a womb sound in the background?
Speaker 2:I was reading yeah it actively has the sound of my son's heartbeat in the womb.
Speaker 3:Okay, wow.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And the sound of a womb in general. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it instantly like I was calm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, absolutely we kind of go through. I mean anybody who does any kind of performance of any type or doesn't kind of has a routine before before you get into anything and, um, you know, we we listen to it and typically we have our own routine, but it honestly really kind of helped back it up and shore it up a little bit. I thought it was really good, yeah, yeah, thank you absolutely.
Speaker 1:And and just to clarify real quick I know some some of our audience may get a little confused we're not talking about the sound of the planets like holst or something like that, where you know we're talking about actual uh sound that resonates from the planet itself. So I just wanted to clear that up in case anybody um, you know, wanted to spot check us on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, much, much like the Schumann resonance. Um, ours, ours is pretty much 7.8 Hertz, that is, that is the heartbeat of earth. Um, and for those that aren't familiar, a hertz rate notated as HZ on most things, like you'll see it on headphone ratings 20 hertz to 20 kilohertz, that's the range of human hearing. That basically means that headphone will give you the entire range that a human ear can actively hear. It may give you a few above, a few below, but they'll never actively tell you that Right.
Speaker 3:They can't advertise that.
Speaker 2:They can't advertise that, because then they would be like you know, we make things for superhuman people.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I mean, we'll make headphones for beagles.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:You know like that's awesome. But it's interesting because once you start getting into those ranges of infrasound and even ultrasound, those ranges beyond what we can hear now you're talking the range of things that you feel Yep, the closest thing that you can find to 7.8 Hertz, find yourself a cat, make him real happy and let them lay on your chest that, that part of the cat purr that you feel that's a low vibration. Yeah, that's like um, yeah, yeah, the the Hertz rate is pulses per second, um, which, which, when you start getting into things, uh, especially visually, um, with video, that's. That's where you start getting into subliminal things and the reasons why we have laws against subliminal advertising.
Speaker 2:It's right it's because it worked it. Yeah, it worked.
Speaker 1:It worked really really well you know, I remember back as a kid. I'm sorry I'm going to cut you off. No, no, no, go ahead. What I was going to say is I remember back as a kid. I remember a movie, halloween three, I think it was where.
Speaker 2:Yes, season of the witch.
Speaker 1:Yes, season of the witch. So I don't know if you remember, nicole's not big on that first one, really well, yeah, well, the third one. Anyway, we can go over shamrock man. Yeah, but if I remember right, they sat in front of the tv and they would put these masks. Yeah, that's the song they would play yeah but you're right.
Speaker 1:Yep, but you're right. That's exactly what you're talking about. They had to create. You know, I think that thing was done more of like a tongue-in-cheek, but they were. They were. That's based in some reality, you know yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's.
Speaker 2:It's pretty fascinating, um, you know, it's where, quite honestly, where seizure warnings come from. Yeah, uh, movies, because there are people that are photo optically activated into that. Yep, um, through flashing images, that kind of stuff. There's, of course, the, the famous joke from fight club, um, where, where he's, you know, pasting, pasting single frames of pornography and children's movies, things like that. And, yes, your brain will pick up on those things, it will pick up on a single frame. And it's funny how our eyes see at about 30 frames per second, between 24 and 30, right up around there. That's the range of stop motion animation to actual old school television and film, to actual old school television and film. And when you start and you remember I mean, I'm about 50 years old the idiot box, the boob tube, the fact that you know that thing will hypnotize you. It will hypnotize you eventually because you're actively watching something at the exact same frame rate that your eyes see. So you will eventually fall into a hypnotic state.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's it, you know, and it's interesting how, when you get to high definition television, when you get to what we're looking at now, you're looking at 60 frames per second, 120 frames per second, things like we fall into that state two to four times faster at that point, and so another thing that I find interesting.
Speaker 1:By the way, I turned 50 on july 5th, so I'm right there with you, thanks. I don't know how excited I am about it, but it is what it is, um, but what I also and kind of to dovetail a little bit on that, if folks don't really kind of grasp that if you ever watch, like, let's say, you take your phone or something, you're recording something that has led behind it and then you play it back, you can see the flicker in the led because of that frame per second like car headlights right, like car head the first time I noticed it.
Speaker 3:I'm like why does it look like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, old school televisions, yes, whenever you used to see it, whenever they would pan by in a movie, you'd see the roll of the screen. You'd actually see the cathode ray shooting, the information on the screen Right. It was going by so fast.
Speaker 1:I remember that well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, information on the screen. Right, it was going by so fast. I remember that well, yeah, yeah, um, and it's. It's interesting how these things are artifacted in our brain. These things are. Our brain works on these cycles. So to to use that can be fantastic. It can be awesome. Once you know that, yes, your body, your brain, will respond to a singing bowl, but it will also make that frequency just as readily. And once it learns to make that frequency, it will make it so much faster every time. It's basically like sending your brain to the frequency gym.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one's like going to the spa, the other is like going to the gym.
Speaker 3:Right, that's neat.
Speaker 1:That is very neat.
Speaker 2:I like that explanation, that's great, so, and they're both fantastic and they're both absolutely healthy and great for your brain.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, agreed, a hundred percent. And they're both absolutely healthy and great for your brain. Absolutely yeah, agreed, 100%. I mean, it's just wow. Now I know this isn't a new. This is not something new. It's not like we all of a sudden stumbled upon this. Now can you kind of explain a little bit about kind of how ancient cultures have utilized this and kind of made this a very prominent part, because I know a lot of cultures use this as a very not only just spiritual, but also therapeutic as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's a. Well, I know there are numerous sacred sites around the world. Whenever you go to Malta, things like that, like the initiation caves in Malta, resonate at 19 Hertz, which is just below the range of human hearing. It is that frequency, once again, where you would start feeling things instead of hearing them. It's also just under the resonant frequency of the eyeball, oh so, it's also where, where, uh, visual hallucinations start.
Speaker 2:it's also one of the frequencies that is associated with the paranormal, uh it's it's one of them that whenever you look it up in in therapy, things like that, it literally says sensation of somebody else in the room, things like that.
Speaker 2:Numerous ancient cultures used sound, and ancient Greece is a prime example. Whenever you go to the old amphitheaters, things like that, epidaurus, that kind of stuff, where somebody can stand in the middle of the stage and strike a match and it sounds like they're standing next to you at the top of the amphitheater Yep, wow, there's zero actual amplification there other than using the shape of the hill and physics and sound physics. Even going to places like Chichen Itza, where the plaza itself and the shape of the pyramid actively create the echo clap of the thunderbird. That's there. Amazing, it's interesting. It's interesting.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, they had a great and vast knowledge, mainly because they had time to observe. It all starts with observation. Even science starts with observation. That is the first step in the scientific process, absolutely. You know, it's funny to me regularly. I mean, even one of the topics that I talk about on my show regularly is the fact that it does not have to be aliens, right In, people, ingenious people and and when you consider the fact of like, well, you know, how did they align these things with the stars so accurately? They had nothing but the stars to see. Yeah, at night, exactly every single night. Yeah, they lived by it.
Speaker 2:Yes, they did you didn't know when that star rose over the sky. You didn't know when to put seed in the ground. You didn't know when to harvest. You didn't know when the rainy season was coming or what animals might be there to hunt or to fish. You know like they, they lived by it.
Speaker 1:We do not no, we do not no, their, their method of data collection far superior than ours when it came to, uh, sky charts and things like that they.
Speaker 2:They had nothing better to do. Also right, yeah, right, especially once it, because you know we have all kinds of things to do at night. We can, we can look up the internet, we can doom scroll Facebook until 4 am If we want. All right, we don't. Our potatoes aren't in the ground anymore, they're in chip form, you know, like it's things are grown on a mass scale, not not the way they once were. So, yeah, things are different in that Right. Our society is different in that right. So the the focus of it is different. When, when the lights went down, even even my grandparents growing up in rural louisiana shortly after the depression, when the lights went down unless you had a fat lamp or an oil lamp on it's night, yeah, time for bed there.
Speaker 3:bed there weren't street lamps out.
Speaker 2:No, there wasn't light pollution blocking the stars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you right now. It's funny. You say that my hometown is Tucson, Arizona, and that's where originally I'm from, and you can go out in the middle of Arizona to this day, as long as it's not anywhere near Tucson or Phoenix. Yeah, and the sky is so different. A lot of people don't realize that when you look at the sky and that much darkness and that much open, open view, you almost get a sense of the dome like structure that you get from our actual atmosphere. You can see different things differently, and it's just.
Speaker 1:I find it interesting that and this is probably going to be more philosophical than anything else and people may not like it, Like I said, it's our show, I don't care but it's funny how we take a lot of cultures that we would, I guess, tongue in cheek, some people would call them savage or some people would call them, you know, because it's tribal or because of this, it's automatically it's some kind of savagery. However, comma, if you look at not just my, so I'm, I'm half native, and if you don't just look at that part of it, I don't know if you've ever, do you watch Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch at all Every week? So the the watch uh secrets of skinwalker ranch at all every week.
Speaker 3:So the the yeah, go ahead, the tribal drumming. Yeah, that they. What is it by the mesa? Yeah, they had the tribal mountain drum on the drums and the frequency that came off of that.
Speaker 2:That was an amazing episode blew my mind, yeah and absolutely, and, and once again, once you start start looking specifically at tribal drum patterns, things like that, you are looking at low theta range, you're looking at very low range, near eight pulses per second, things like that. You know earth tone range, absolutely, things like that. So, yeah, very infrasound.
Speaker 1:And then you take things like the didgeridoo, like I know that, that you know, in australia a lot of the um, a lot of the native folks there use that didgeridoo because that's part of the aboriginal kind of custom where they would get into almost like a and again, I'm not an expert on this but the way I've always understood is they can get into like a trance state and they're able to. And it's a very, very important piece of, not just an instrument that you know, I know a lot of people look at and go well, you know it's, you know they, they look at it as like tourist and everything and that's fine, I got no problem with that. It's just when they don't accept it for what it's actually used for. You know it's. It's just amazing that they utilize that but yet somehow still considered savage and undeveloped.
Speaker 3:Well, but that's what's funny. It's like all over the world, all the tribal you know, all did some sort of music or drumming or something.
Speaker 1:Celtics did yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 3:Celtic drumming, like you think. Then I started thinking about the Druids and you know, with the standing stones we actually talked to Mike Ricksecker about this because he said that when he was inside that one I don't remember the name of it, now that one standing stone circle, he felt like the sound. His voice bounced back at him from the stones. So I'm like they're right there, and if they were drumming inside that.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine how much frequency he was bouncing around.
Speaker 3:There are numerous circles.
Speaker 2:Specifically, stonehenge is one where it is made to reflect sound across the stones for specific ceremonies, things like that. So yeah, once again, the directing of sound, things like that were something very, very well known to our ancestors, and once again, it's because they have time for observation, right, absolutely, we do not take the time for observation.
Speaker 3:Too many different reactions.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's just it. And it's interesting because even when you look at the word frequency itself, the idea of frequency something happening on a regular basis, that in and of itself changes us. There's a great study that was done by the National Institute of Health showing how even the negative news cycle does actual damage to your hypothalamus.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you for saying that, because we could not agree more.
Speaker 3:We don't even watch that stuff. Yeah, it's so negative.
Speaker 1:And it's true. I mean, you're right, the NIH did that study. It's a very well-known study and you know that 24-hour news cycle that we've just yeah.
Speaker 2:Always there for our news cycle, that we've just ah, always there, and it's interesting because that's once again one of those things that much like going into a hypnotic state rapidly, things like that going into a patterned state rapidly these are things that hearken back to our animal brain, that harken back to our animal brain. They're things that harken back to millennia of unchanged life, darwinism, quite literally, evolution, and even the idea of our negative reinforcement of things, our want for negativity. It's pretty remarkable, because even that is rooted in our instinct to survive. The idea that fire will burn you is much more useful than fire will keep you warm, yep, and fire will cook your food and make it savory.
Speaker 2:Yes, it will you know we were hunter gatherers. We didn't, you know. So, yeah, it's one of those like the idea of survival and panic and anxiety, of what's in the dark, things like that that kept us alive for millennia. Yeah, now we don't need them to keep us alive at night. If we're afraid in the dark, just turn a light on. But the truth behind that is Don't have to worry about eight hours of darkness or the idea that maybe the light won't come back tomorrow. Right, you know, we're pretty well guaranteed that. We know that the light will come back in the morning. You know, we aren't being religiously told that. No, no, it dies every night. It may not come back to you. Sacrifice thing, yeah, and that's exactly what they did you.
Speaker 1:Sacrifice thing? Yeah, and that, and that's exactly what they did, man, they never do that, jeez.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, um, as archaic as that is, that is a that's a deep understander of something around you due to observation. Once again, um and and. Yeah, we, we are an ingenious species. Yeah, we are an ingenious species who has seen these things over and over and over again. You know it's only our actual lack of care that lets us lose them.
Speaker 2:The example I normally give is I'm Cajun by upbringing. We are one of the only languages native to the North American continent. It's actually an unchanged form of court French from the 15th century, which is why most French people, whenever they speak to a Cajun, do not know what we are saying, because their language has changed like eight, nine times over. Right, like there's something in there that I get you know. Even, even, even whenever you go to like Acadia, which is where the Cajuns were like exiled from, uh in in Canada, they don't understand most of what Cajuns say, uh, but that language is almost lost in all but 50 years. Yeah, all but lost. You're hard-pressed to find anybody my mother's age who speaks Cajun fluently. It took one generation of being told. You know, that's the language of the ignorant. When you come to school, you speak English. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there are famous paintings of, like the little Cajun kid in the corner with the dunce hat on.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Things like that, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm a big believer in the difference between acculturation and assimilation. They are two diametrically totally different things. Yes, they are, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, and it's. It's the fact of you know, we, we tend to forget things rapidly. You know, when you're told it's unimportant and it's useless data, that you can call it from the data set, your brain will do it rapidly. Probably about the same scope of time ago, you know you could have. You could have taken a six by six plank of wood somewhere and ask somebody to hand carve you a spiral column, yeah, and probably gotten three or four artisans to give you a quote, yeah, yeah, you know three or four craftsmen who like hand lathe things, like like the Amish. Do you know? Now, you, you would be taking it to a cnc shop, yep, or the 3d print it. Have it done, yeah you know, um, really print it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's remarkable and it's awesome, but at the same time, it's the fact of we we have lost something, yes, yeah, of our humanity in the way that we've passed that down. Could not agree more, you know, and it's, it's interesting how, uh, science and things like that are bringing these technologies of frequency and frequency therapy and things like that back into the light.
Speaker 2:Isn't that funny, you know, it's, it's interesting it's interesting how yeah yeah, just to bring the conversation right back around to the beginning, where, oh no, no, science is woo. And it's sexy is the other thing. Unfortunately, most of the negative news cycle will not let you know how sexy science is. You rarely see the headlines of like CERN creates matter from light.
Speaker 1:see the headlines of like cern, creates matter from light. Wait, that should be a pretty big headline, absolutely, I mean you're, you couldn't that?
Speaker 2:was a headline. Yeah, that's an actual headline. Yeah, not many people know about it. I mean I can't, it would be very exciting.
Speaker 1:It's what I also, and you're right, because you look at just the we, we, okay, okay, I won't get too far into it because I don't do political, but you look at the news cycle and there was all this horrible, horrible stuff on the news and all this stuff going on and yet somehow the fact that the Pentagon and all these different things were starting to put out UAP and UFO information and it did not make the top of the headline, because it blows my mind. I mean, it's like I almost want to stand on a, on a. You know, I almost feel like you know the people you would pass when you were a kid and, you know, had the, the, the cardboard thing with the sign on it saying you need to hear this. You know, it's almost like you, you, you understand where that comes from. It's like, yeah, my gosh, open your eyes.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah anyway, I can, I can do. It is a well, no, no, it's it, it it's, it's a truism, yeah, and you know it. It is the fact of, uh, a rushed society, in the fact that we have, dangerously right now, politically, scientifically, even within our parapolitical, paranormal communities, we have mixed together a want of confirmation with confirmation bias, oh yes.
Speaker 2:With confirmation bias, oh, yes, and I mean from red circles on trees to everything underneath, you know, from Bigfoot and a portal to just Bigfoot and portals, yep, it's pretty remarkable. And I mean there are a lot of people in the communities that are very upset, especially the UFO UAP community. And yes, I will use the term UAP because I believe it's important. Yeah, fully important Until then. Ufo, much like paranormal, much like cryptozoology, normal, much like cryptozoology, is almost a Kleenex. It's almost a Kleenex box where it's a catch-all. There's a thousand products out there that are facial tissues that are not Kleenex Right. There's a thousand products out there that are not a Coke that are a soda, all right, what a great way to put it.
Speaker 2:But we have to remember that and it's very important. And when it goes into a catch-all bin, the people who are in charge of other scientific bins don't want to go in that bin because there's not a lot of science in there. Now, when you relabel it to phenomena, oddly enough that is squarely inside of the scientific method. Yes, that is part of a data set the phenomenology. What's the oddball thing that's happening? And let's figure out what it is so we can remove it from the data set that we actively want to keep. Yep, that's good data, you know. Set that we actively want to keep Yep, that's good data, you know.
Speaker 2:So even even the head of the NASA panel in the in the first meeting said you know, the relabeling of this has put it into our backyard. It has put it into the purview of science because that is a. We are woefully irresponsible for not looking at it because of shame and ridicule and things like that. But now we have the onus thrust upon us to look at it because it's a phenomena and that's our job. That's our job as scientists is to figure out what the phenomena like.
Speaker 2:And and it's funny because even the second meeting after that shows exactly what you're talking about. The guy had to get up and be like so yeah, I don't know why y'all are like threatening scientists on talk boards uh, message boards and online, but if y'all could like not email scientists and threaten them, maybe they'd want to be involved in this topic more. Yeah, you know, it's like you. You blame them for not being involved. Yeah, then, once you've gotten them involved, you ridicule them for being a part of a scientific lie being pushed by NASA. It's like what, wait a minute, which side are you on here? Do you want them to be?
Speaker 1:involved, or are you mad at them?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It makes 0.0 cents. I know, I just never.
Speaker 2:That's quite literally where we're at and we have to think about that as people that are involved in the paranormal, people that talk with folks that research these things, because you know, we have to be able to reach across the aisle. I mean even the field observation and counter log that I made that's part of the reason I made that was because I've been a part of paranormal investigations. I've been a part of I mean, I do backyard astronomy and that's the prime example that I give people of. No, it will be one of us that finds this. It will be the same way that 90 90 of comets are found by people like me right in their backyard with a telescope looking at the same squawth of sky every night, taking pictures of the same objects on our radar.
Speaker 2:There's this one thing that keeps moving. And then they contact people with much better telescopes who don't have money to look at that part of the sky, aren't being contracted to look at that part of the sky, right, you know? And it's the same way like if you're out squatching with trail cams, yeah, go talk to your local university, go start giving them your footage from your trail cams. They cannot afford to go put trail cams out where you're going out squatching that wildlife stuff is invaluable to a university research program, invaluable to a zoological program or a wildlife conservation program in your area. Reaching out in that citizen science way is how the handshake is made. Yeah, good advice, that's how the handshake is made. That's how the conversation is opened is hey, I know I'm out here squatching doing my thing, but I'm also getting like eight hours of footage a week. If you would like that, I'll gladly throw it into a one drive to share with you.
Speaker 1:yep, yeah, yeah, you know to help out your research yeah, I could not expand on that any better. That's such a to frame it. That way is important because we do. We have all the time that we've taken. You know whether you're out there, you know if you want to call it paranormal investigation. If you're out there, you know, just just looking at, if you're looking for ghosts, if you're looking for Sasquatch, whatever it is, it starts with observation. It starts with observation, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You have created a data set that those folks can't get to because of either funding or time or all these other things. That's the really important part there, logan, is the data set. The idea that are you creating a data set Because you need to create as much of a data set as possible? An image is fantastic, but they need the thousand words. Yes, it's, it's. It's only a picture to a scientist. Yes, it's not worth a thousand words, right, you know? Um? And? And the prime example of that would be the Go Fast video that the NASA scientist picked apart in the panel because's observing it, where you can start doing the trigonometry of the two moving objects and the speed and the background and the known distance from the background, and he was like no, this is basically a zoomed in object going 40 miles an hour, and we don't have to go into what object it is Right, right, and we don't have to go into what object it is Right, right or what it isn't, because we've now scientifically shown you a quantifiable that it's going 40 miles an hour. Yep, it's not going 400,000 or anything like that. It's an optical illusion caused by these factors that are directly on the screen. Yeah, directly on the screen. Given to you. The points of datum that you need to decode this image are actively on the screen, on the heads up display. Nobody did the math or the research on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the thing is that a picture is great. Do you have the general direction that you were facing? Do you have the time of day? Do you have the date? Do you have the general direction that you were facing? Do you have the time of day? Do you have the date? Do you have a general location of where you were when you took the picture?
Speaker 2:You know same thing as it as an astronomic observation. You know what, what time of day were you looking at it and what was in it, its inclination from right inclination, left inclination, so you can find a spot in the sky. You know things like that. Those are the points of datum that a scientist need. Those are the things that you know, and that's part of the reason why I created the data log was that it's something you can literally keep in your back pocket while you're out doing that. Keep in your back pocket while you're out doing that. Yep, um, you may not be able to get your camera out fast enough to get an image of the experience you have, but you now have a means by which to scientifically write down and gather the data.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oftentimes you won't have that time we're in too much shock to even do it, or or, sadly enough, like any cop, will tell you the time elapsed way too far for you to get an accurate account by the time you get back to base camp, an hour or something like that, that things have changed. Yeah, absolutely, you know. So, being it being able to get it down right there, even being at a paranormal investigation when something happened, taking the most detailed notes you can when it happens, is what's going to let you be able to get rid of the known quantitives in the data set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and multiple perspectives too. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say you know, not everybody, so let's say everybody is in the same room. You get the same paranormal phenomenon happens at the same time and let's just, devil's advocate, everybody witnessed it. Okay, we'll just say if you're in a circle lack of better words you get a full formed apparition right in front of you. Now everybody sees it and they start jotting it down and doing like you said getting data sets. The other thing that's important to realize is perspective. Perspective plays such an integral part of that because, even though you all see the exact same thing, you're not seeing it or interpreting it the same way. It's impossible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, that is the point of experience. You know, everybody at a concert doesn't have the same experience. Nope, nope, you know, that's for sure. Even people that grow up in the same household don't have the same experience. That's for sure. Um, even even people that grow up in the same household don't have the same experience, because we are all individuals, our brains all pattern things in different ways. Our pareidolia is different. Yes, you know, um, and and that's just it. Like, even even even our phones have built in pareidolia. Yeah, you know, like if there's something funky in the background, it's going to make it match, something that makes sense. Yeah, like it's funky. But to be able to write that experience down, to be able to get it down as fresh as possible, is data. Yeah, that is the data set. It's not just the scientist in the lab mixing things together. Um, that's cool. The important part is the lab notes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and and the processes and and the ways in which things happen in the observational notes, absolutely things like that. That that's what's important and that's what we, as citizen scientists, will eventually have to have to shake hands with, science, you know, because it's not just hey, I found this clump of hair in the woods.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where did you find it? Where did you find it? All those encompassing things, yeah, where did you find it?
Speaker 2:How did you gather it? How did you collect it? What were your forensic means? How did you keep it before it got here? Exactly? You know, um, things like that. So we, we have to take care of those things. We have to make sure to meet science in the middle. Yeah, and and be willing to say that you, you know, evidence is hard. Yeah, it's hard. Begin to see what you're gathering as points of datum in a data set. Yeah, because evidence is what exonerates you in court. Yes, it is. Evidence is what keeps you out of prison, man. Yeah, so, unless that thing you've circled in red will keep you out of prison and you have 110% confidence in that, giving it to your lawyer, you may not want to call it evidence, you may just want to call it a point of data Right Exactly and to add to that before we jump because I want to ask you about the curious realm here in just a second.
Speaker 1:But to add to that a little bit too is don't be afraid to be wrong.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So many people will go to through these things and they'll be like well, no, I don't want to say that because you know, and then all of a sudden I'm wrong. Being wrong Doesn't destroy your credibility.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, Because in science it's observation, research on the topic. Then hypothesis we learned that, and hypothesis knows no bounds, yeah, no bounds. You can hypothesize anything you want, yes, you can. And then, through testing and experimentation, we will prove or disprove that hypothesis and then repeat the process.
Speaker 1:My hypothesis every morning is that I'm still 35. You know, 35 years old, have a full head of hair and I'm still only 175 pounds. But reality tells me a completely different thing.
Speaker 2:My hypothesis is why I'm concerned about any of it? Because I'm not actively here. By all means of physics, I'm not here, that's awesome. So why am I hung up on any?
Speaker 1:that's awesome. Great, great pivot. That's amazing. So, christopher, tell us about the curious realm curious realm started.
Speaker 2:Oh god man, I guess it was uh, almost almost 10 years ago now, as as a different program actually. Uh, dudes and beer was the original name of it nice um, then it began, you know, as an av technician.
Speaker 2:I spent probably about 35, 40 weeks a year at one point on the road, um, and it got to where I hung out with a lot of people that wore black yep, you know, um, and and I, I began missing conversations. I began missing conversations from different people from different walks of life. Uh, that that true aspect of where America started in a pub, you know where it's everything from the mayor to the pig farmer to everybody, just having a conversation and meeting on that equal ground of it. And I miss that. I miss the idea of being able to have a conversation without the want of trying to convince somebody to a paradigm, just having a conversation, understanding what somebody believed and why they believed it.
Speaker 2:We may vehemently disagree about what we believe and why we believe it, but next week we're going to come back with a six-pack and six topics and we're still going to be friends. You had me at six-pack. Still going to be friends. I had me a six pack, you know, and, and, and that's where it started was the idea of our world needs conversation. Again, we need not a bridge, not a bash conversation. We need Magellan's of conversation and science, people who are unafraid to be everybody's like good God, you're going to fall off the earth. Well, I guess we'll find out. That's true, you know. Let's find out together. Let's go down that road together in conversation, you know, and really just the idea of having open-hearted, open-minded conversations Even now, curious Realm ends every week with the idea of you know, it's your open heart and your open mind that makes the conversation, and without that humanity doesn't move. Without the conversation, we don't move anywhere. It's just dogma and doctrine. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Without conversation, there's no innovation.
Speaker 2:And that's just it. You know the things that we've been talking about tonight ancient civilizations, the idea that, once again, if I drop a pen on my desk, by all quantum physics it never actually hits the desk because the desk doesn't exist man. Yeah, that's just crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's actual hypothesis and theory, exactly by all ninth grade sciences sound. Yeah, you know, like you don't. You don't have to have a a degree in quantum relativity to to understand it and to get it right. So, yeah, it's. It's pretty remarkable and, and for me it eventually became the fact of demystifying these topics of hard conversation, because confronting the conversation is one thing, you know, and we have a few championed causes on the show human trafficking, things like that, things that are not easy to talk about, that, things that are are not not easy to talk about.
Speaker 2:Um, like I, I remember, uh, one of the biggest moments in dudes and beer history was we had, uh, anonymous reach out to really during during the whole Minnesota George Floyd situation. Um, and members of anonymous came on and talked about why they hacked the Minneapolis police department. Wow, um, it was. It was pretty phenomenal, but they reached out to us to come on the show. Um, because of some of the guests we'd had on and the topics that we talked about, and uh, to to have that happen was awesome because it it it wasn't even an interview. I asked a couple of questions. Um, awesome, because it wasn't even an interview. I asked a couple questions but then turned the platform over to them because it's not like they actively do interviews.
Speaker 1:Right, I would think that's probably, that's probably not in their repertoire. No, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was, it was, it was interesting, it was interesting and and to have hard topics like that and to be able to demystify it, for people to be able to dig into it and actively get to the meat and potatoes behind it, you know, and the nuts and bolts, um, in an unabashed way. Yeah, like I, I will. Like you were saying earlier, logan, admitting you're wrong is the biggest thing in the world I have. I have people nastily call me a skeptic in groups online. I I wear the capital s skeptic badge, like I'll wear it like a superman badge. Yep, because that's what science is supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're supposed to be skeptical and there's nothing wrong with any of this existing now within the realm of science. None of it, none of it. Half of what we know as science was once pure fiction. That's true, pure science fiction. Most of the time, um jump in the way back machine by 500. Kind of kind of my, uh, kind of my argument against flat earth is I actively just start it right here. So what you're saying is the Catholic Church was right. Nice, that normally just shuts it down immediately.
Speaker 2:So what you're saying is that all the excommunications?
Speaker 1:and burnings and everything else totally justified. Yeah, that'll put somebody dead in their tracks pretty quick. Totally cool. Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2:Well, christopher, Because all of 500 years ago the earth was not round. That's true, and to say so would get you excommunicated, get you thrown in prison by numerous governments around the world. So that's the conversation we have to be willing to have it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well, christopher. Honestly I think we could probably talk for the next eight hours. It's just so much cool stuff to talk about. But, more importantly, how can our audience find you Like, what can we, what can they do to kind of reach out to you and kind of get involved?
Speaker 2:Curiousrealmcom. We're live every Tuesday night, 8 pm Central, carried on Aftermath Media on Friday. Replays carried on KGRA on Sunday morning, I think, like 2 am Central, something like that. Aside from that, you can find us on just about every platform out there when it comes to audio and video. You can get the book, the Field Observation Guide, right there at curiousrealmcom in our store. You can go to curious, curious researchorg and get it there. You can also get all of my music there, as well as art of Christopher Jordancom Awesome.
Speaker 1:Great yeah, and we'll put those yes.
Speaker 3:We'll make sure those are there too.
Speaker 1:But, christopher, thank you so much. What a great great great conversation yeah.
Speaker 2:It was super fun, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and we'll uh, we'll reach out again. Can't wait, look forward to it. Awesome, what a great time. Christopher, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3:Fun chat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, again we have one of those where we we think, uh, I think it's going to go one way and just kind of button hooks a little bit and gives us more, and wow, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3:He gave us a lot more than we expected, which is great, um, and and I hope you guys had a lot of fun with it too- and I feel like several episodes have been leading up to this episode, because we kept hearing frequency and then frequency and frequency and frequent, and then we actually get someone that puts out an album of frequency that's right and talks about what it does. So it kind of worked out very nice it's almost like you planned it.
Speaker 1:But listen, guys, we kind of didn't didn't. It was a little serendipity in there, but that's okay. Um, but yeah, what else can you tell us?
Speaker 3:I know there's a few things that he had well, I just wanted to list the names of his albums, and you can find this by going on his website. But he's got music for targeted minds, music for meditation and cosmic journeys, volume one, and this next one I don't know. I've tried to look up how to pronounce it. I think it might be cajun, I don't know. So, christopher, I'm sorry if I mispronounce this. Queer ad somnumnum.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's what it sounds, looks like.
Speaker 3:That's the way it looks. It doesn't mean, that's the way it sounds.
Speaker 1:And we probably butchered it.
Speaker 3:But it is the album that he was talking about. That's for infants, so it's designed specifically for their sleep cycles, yep, so you can check that out, and that one is very soothing.
Speaker 1:I think I really like it yeah we listened to it just before and it was very soothing, but also like, okay, we got to turn it off because I'm about to fall asleep.
Speaker 3:And then again, in case you missed it, it's the field observation and encounter log that he's selling, which is important because he's right.
Speaker 1:You got to collect data and you got to do it accurately.
Speaker 3:Good idea.
Speaker 1:Listen, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. We had a blast making it and we hope, hope we'll see you guys next week. See you next week, Generation X Paranormal. Thank you.
