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NFL Week 1 Overreactions, Bears Dub w/ Caleb Williams, Brady's Booth Debut & More

September 10, 2024 • Sports Talk w/ Sean Little & Nick Harvey

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No Ketchup Sports Talk is BACK for the 2024-25 season! We dive into NFL Week 1 with explosive insights. Can the Pittsburgh Steelers make a deep playoff run under Mike Tomlin despite their reliance on field goals? And what's going on with the Cincinnati Bengals' inability to protect Joe Burrow? Why can't Tom Brady seem to find his groove as a TV commentator? We'll analyze his chemistry, or lack thereof, with Kevin Burkhardt and what needs to change.

We're dissecting all the events that took place this first week of football, including Anthony Richardson's incredible comeback performance against the Houston Texans. Not to mention, Caleb Williams getting his participation trophy with that Chicago Bears win this past Sunday.

From the latest buzz in NFL player lifestyles to our thoughts on certain franchises ongoing issues, this episode is packed with everything you need to stay ahead in the world of football. Tune in for a comprehensive and entertaining NFL Week 1 recap!

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Sean Little:

No ketchup, no ketchp. What's good, my people, welcome to no Ketchup Talk VIA Chicago. I'm your host, sean Little Big, nick the Quick with me. It is September 10th. We are back rolling on the no Ketchup. New software, new everything. Same fellas bringing the same takes NFL Week 1, in the books. What's the scorching hot overreaction? That may not be an overreaction, you know. Sometimes all you need to do is see things for a couple snaps, sometimes big dick to quick, and you know this shit's not gonna work and something's gonna need to be fixed. Ask Brock Purdy. He saw the weakness in the Jets last night. They exploited it the rest of the way. Caleb Williams first W didn't really participate but participated a little bit. You know what I'm saying. We're going to talk about that. That gets the deal at the buzzer. Tyreek Hill gets arrested. Tom Brady makes his debut. Wasn't that good? We got a lot of talk about no Ketchup talk v Chicago. We back at it. Baby big, nifty quick. What's happening?

Sean Little:

victory Tuesday baby victory Tuesday hey man 17-0 down at the half. They, they did what was necessary. Simone Biles' husband scored. I would get sick of that. By the way, I know who I married.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah.

Sean Little:

I know who I married, but like they don't even say folks' names.

Nick Harvey:

Nah, Even on the broadcast Adam Amin goes, Mr Biles.

Sean Little:

Mr Biles, they don't even say folks' names.

Nick Harvey:

A quick side note. I know we've done this before, but shout out, adam Amin. John, he's amazing. It was lovely to hear Adam Amin on the Sunday broadcast for the Bears man. Shout out, adam Amin, the hardest working man in sports, good guy, met him at the Bulls game one time man.

Sean Little:

You know we're big Adam Amin man. No doubt, shout out Adam Amin. He is the voice of the city right now.

Sean Little:

There's no doubt about that when it comes to athletics in Chicago, illinois. So yeah, shout out AA, let's jump right into it, because we tend to eat up an hour quickly. We're going to try to stick to that hour here. I'm going to a little summit. Shout out my girl, monica McNutt. She sent me a ticket. Stephen A's talking to a bunch of people, so I'm going to catch that. Earlier today and I got to go into MSG.

Nick Harvey:

So I would love, With the double ESPN name drop real quick in case anybody didn't pick it up. The double ESPN name drop real quick. It's just mcnutt, that's my, that's the homie and that's really msg.

Sean Little:

You know, shout out mcnutt. Uh, I'm gonna go hang out and listen to some people talk and you know, try to work the network and do the whole thing. Mingle, but mingle, as they say. Nfl week one is in the books. Big nick the quick. What is the hot? Take the overreaction. That may not be an overreaction, that may just be the truth, but we're just the first ones to say it here.

Nick Harvey:

On no ketchup I got the double dose for you from the afc north. Please think. Number one, mike tomlin. The pittsburgh steelers are going to make the playoffs again. Yeah, I've seen enough when you're winning games with six field goals, when you've and if you actually look at I know, if you look at the numbers, this is. This is a clear game where it's look at the numbers versus watch the film. I actually watched the game. Justin fields was fine. He didn't have to do more than they asked him to do on sunday and that's exactly what he did. It was like get us down the field, we're gonna kick a bunch of field goals. Don't make any mistakes. Still has some issues with the fumbles, which they need to fix, but I I think, if I'm Tomlin, I'm looking at that situation. I'm riding with Justin until I don't have to, and it's infinitely better than what he's had at quarterback for, say, the past three seasons when he's still been backing this team into the playoffs. Flip side of that, your Cincinnati Bengals are in trouble, guys. I don't think this is a playoff team. I think that they have major issues. I think that we're going on year four of their absolute refusal to protect Joe Burrow. Three sacks again.

Nick Harvey:

On Sunday, offense looked lifeless. For some reason this was like the. For those people in Survivor League, this was like the favorite pick of the weekend for Survivor, which I thought was asinine. I would have ranked this in the bottom five. I was not, did not feel comfortable about Cincinnati coming into this game. Jamar Chase look man, we talk about all the time. Hold out, get your money, do what you got to do, but if you're going to hold out, you need to commit to the holdout. Come into the holdout isn't 10 minutes before the game. Decide that you're going to suit up and play anyways. And now you just wasted. You know most of training camp. You're not in shape, whatever right. Either you're going to hold out and not show up or you're just going to play and try to figure out your deal as it comes to you like that, but a stupid holdout ends 10 minutes before the game. No, t Higgins, joe Mixon's gone. Jamar Chase has been in street clothes for the past couple months. Offense looked pathetic.

Sean Little:

You say you got a Hassan Reddick at the joint. If you're going to do it, yeah, yeah, you got Hassan.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, you see how much money Hassan's committed much money Hassan's committed.

Nick Harvey:

He's already given up eight million committed. I'm dug in, I'm dug in, yeah. Yeah, if you want to dig in, dig in, you gotta do the Le'Veon, you gotta do the Cabo Zeke Elliott situation. Um, whatever it might be, and I know what the rules now you kind of have to be at camp but you don't participate. But yeah, overall did not feel comfortable about the Bengals coming into this game at all. Was very shocked that there was that much confidence on them and they did exactly what I thought that they were going to do. Not that the Patriots are great or anything, but I don't know what. Every people think that Burrow coming back just all of a sudden, you know, lifts them back into that contender status which it should. But I don't think that's the case. Man, a couple things. It's been a long time since they beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead yeah, it's fair.

Sean Little:

A couple. Going back to Justin Fields we thought that was going to be a tough game in Atlanta. That shit seems to be fugazi. A couple things. If you go look at Justin Fields' pass chart, he just refuses to throw it over the middle of the field. That's the biggest issue. That's always been the issue. Literally every single pass completed or incomplete nick was on outside the numbers on the left, outside the numbers on the right, and then in the backfield go pull it up while while I'm chatting there is a big chunk in the middle of the field that no ball goes to. He refuses to go over the middle. He doesn't want anything to do with going over the middle. So that's number one. But hey, this is about winning games. So if we don't, if tj watt is playing like that, there was a, the. I saw a bunch of clips.

Nick Harvey:

I split up his pass. Start. That is really funny you see, that pass he only completed one pass in between the hashes.

Sean Little:

Yeah, he doesn't throw the ball over the middle, so I went back and watched all of his throws and I watched all of Kirk's throws. Oh, kirk was brutal. Yo, the difference between you're probably going to kill me for this the difference between him and Aaron Rodgers' Achilles. Kirk's Achilles is his right one on the plant foot, aaron rogers is the left one on the non-plant. It looked like kirk didn't want to step with his right, put it in the ground and then fire off and let the ball go. It looked like he was trying to throw with all arm off his front foot and it didn't look very good.

Sean Little:

And if number fucking 90. I don't know what this fucking guy Eats for breakfast. I don't know what he does pregame, but he looks to be In a league that is full of men. Tj Watt seems to be On another level than them, a different planet, and it's no matter who he's playing. What day it is is what the record is, if the offensive scoring points are not every single play. This guy was in kirk's face almost it seemed. If kirk was dropping back, number 90 was in his face. Shout out tj watt.

Nick Harvey:

He is just on a different level best defensive closer in the nfl, without a doubt. He is massive for them. At the end of games he shuts down so many drives because all their games are close, so you know those last drives are always crucial, tj one possession games. They're always they live in the one possession game they live in the close game.

Nick Harvey:

So you need a defensive player like him that closes games. I'm telling you, man, the formula is there and they asked you see, tom, after the game. They're like so are you gonna start? Are you gonna start justin, or, uh, or russell going forward?

Sean Little:

he goes ask me on tuesday I'm gonna be with you if they talk yo and then if you, and then if you ask him on tuesday, he'll be like we'll see saturday.

Nick Harvey:

You talk to me saturday that's a good so yeah, we gotta get him on the pod? Is it when we sat down with Tomlin for like two hours? I feel like it would be great.

Sean Little:

Just like you. Just sit there in the chair like yeah you might be ready to suit up.

Nick Harvey:

You might be ready. Standard is standard.

Sean Little:

Yeah, shout out Mike man, he's going to be a great TV guy.

Nick Harvey:

when the time comes, he's going to be excellent.

Sean Little:

Mike, when the time comes, it's gonna be excellent mike, that's. It's awesome too, like they've clearly over the years. They trust him. They, of course, have extended him a few times now and it just shows like when you really let someone set the tone and the culture and you don't try to put your fingers all on it, maybe as a gm or an owner, and you trust the guy you hired, he really can create this culture and tone that.

Nick Harvey:

You're never embarrassed over there. Yeah, he doesn't fuck around they had Le'Veon and AB on the same roster and Mike Tomlin navigated through that and they were winning ballgames Like Le'Veon and AB at their prime of primeness.

Sean Little:

Yeah, exactly so shout out to the Steelers Big win, steelers, big win. Let's see how they go. Let's get to the Bengals really quick. This is a classic case of like I don't think a positive thing came out of that camp all summer. And, by the way, this is now like the third or fourth year in a row where they've stumbled out of the gates and they don't seem to get rolling until like week three or four or five. Burrow has come out in week one or two and they lose a vast majority of the games and don't really compete in them. They were horrific and I was exposed. I had them in a teaser, I thought it was just. I think, nick, it was more people weren't as confident and Cincy just was so low on New England that they just didn't think they could go on the road in week one and get the W. But shout out, jacoby Brissett.

Nick Harvey:

Veteran quarterback, won a lot of games in this league. Doesn't turn the ball over. Whatever Understands the assignment. I'm not making no mistakes, bro. Period 17 checks. Okay, I'll do it.

Sean Little:

Yeah. So let's go back to Cincy. No positive things came out of that camp. All summer I didn't hear a positive thing, yo, if you go back. By the way, this is and I said this months ago they lose dj reader in the middle. Yep, one of the best dts you can argue in the league. If you remember, trey hedrickson asked for a trade.

Nick Harvey:

He wanted out yeah, he wanted out he wanted out.

Sean Little:

He didn't want to be there. He's their best edge mixing. Gone out. Uh, boyd gone bye. Jamar Mixon gone Out, Boyd gone.

Nick Harvey:

Bye.

Sean Little:

Jamar, not in camp, wants a new deal deserves a new deal. Holding in? Yeah, you know what that is. Yeah, we're true holdouts. Don't be holding in on me. Hold all the way out, trent.

Nick Harvey:

Williams is shit. Hey, listen, call me with the deal or don't call me at all. Yeah, trent Williams is a perfect example. Hey, listen, call me with the deal or don't call me at all. Yeah, trent Williams is a perfect example. I know y'all got some cat's face left. I'm out.

Sean Little:

I'm out until I'm in. You feel me.

Nick Harvey:

Until I'm in, yeah.

Sean Little:

So forget this holding in. But then you got Burrow nagging wrist. The wrist isn't all the way back and it's just like he's out here dying his hair. He's start believing a lot of this shit like. Another example is christian mccaffrey. The entire last 10 days they've been telling us is dealing with a lower body injury and he's a running back. He's not gonna play. So maybe he's either not gonna play or he's gonna be limited we get your boy.

Nick Harvey:

Last night I don't know if you saw that- by the way.

Sean Little:

Oh yeah, oh, I watched it live.

Nick Harvey:

The running back let it slip and they asked Shanahan about it. Shanahan's like I didn't tell him that on Friday he saw that.

Sean Little:

I didn't know.

Nick Harvey:

I didn't hear that. Shanahan said he told him that on Friday.

Sean Little:

Yeah, Shanahan't even know who that is.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, we got an injury report. Dog, Don't come out here and tell us what I told you on Friday.

Sean Little:

Yeah, you see the Shanahan clip. Shanahan's holding the meter change. Shanahan's holding the meter change man.

Nick Harvey:

The bill got curved, the hat went backwards giving you carries.

Sean Little:

Nah, I ain't nobody talking about that yeah, he was ready to go? I I'll tell you that he was ready to go, but they yo uh, lisa salters did put him on the spot, though he was caught off guard. It was right after the game and shit, and they were just gassing him up and he's like, she's like, so when'd you know you were gonna play? Lisa's, not lisa's not new at this he was like lisa's not new at this, she's a veteran. Uh, lisa's not new at this.

Nick Harvey:

She's a veteran. Lisa's a veteran at this. She knows how to get the question. Lisa, Pam, Oliver, they've been doing this a long time.

Sean Little:

I think Friday night I was like I was on the couch like what Friday? Yeah, but yeah, man, this is uh.

Nick Harvey:

So she didn't Carissa.

Sean Little:

Thompson, it is what you're saying. Yeah, shout out.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, she did. Chris Thompson, have we seen her since? I haven't seen her, since she's still on Amazon.

Sean Little:

I don't know. Good question, shout out Chris Thompson, though Wait, I'm thinking somebody else. Chris Thompson is who we were talking about in the group chat the other day.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, Chris Thompson is the one who said that she used to make shit the whole sideline reporter community just destroyed it.

Sean Little:

Yes, okay, my fault. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I know what Chris is talking about. I know Chris is talking about yeah, but yeah, I'm sure she's still on Amazon. I'm pretty sure she is. We got to see come Thursday night, yeah, no, she's on there.

Nick Harvey:

See what TNF.

Sean Little:

I know what's-his-name. Oh my God.

Nick Harvey:

Hey, listen man, hey, listen man, hey, listen. Stop the hoodies and blazers with this guy. It's unbelievable, whitworth, unbelievable.

Sean Little:

That whole crew is Whitworth Whitworth.

Nick Harvey:

Hey, let's keep it real. Amazon has a lot of money. That whole crew is fucking terrible.

Sean Little:

Fitzpatrick.

Nick Harvey:

Whitworth.

Sean Little:

Nah, you just need some new gel and richard sherman and it's just like that. The, the, that whole the chemistry is not there yet. For them, I would I'd say that overall, um, they need to they need to hire ryan clark over there yeah, okay, let me give you my scorching hot take.

Sean Little:

Yeah, my bad detroit lions are gonna win the super bowl. They're the best team in the nfc. I, I, I say that with a lump in my throat after watching San Francisco Gee, but they just were right back to business. The Niners who are these dudes? What is this bro? This guy, kyle Shanahan, is unbelievable dog. Do you remember, nick, when there was a sliver of noise that they were going to, that Niners fans wanted Shanahan out? Remember that.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, because they kept winning a bunch of games in the regular season. Yeah, he had no quarterback. Man, if you don't, I'd send that, I'd go pick that dude up from O'Hare International so quick, I'll pick him up from Candlestick, I'll pick him up from the. Golden Gate Bridge. I'll pick him up from wherever he wants to come from, from the Oracle, I'll give a fuck.

Sean Little:

I'll pick him up from wherever he wants to come from, from the Oracle, you feel me I'll give a fuck.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, 100%, Listen, man. That was another spot where I think you saw our little debate of the pick-em last night. So for our pick-em we can see that someone else picks a game, but we can't see who they pick. Yo, that's whack by the way.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, I saw that there were two other people on this Niners and Jets game and I just assumed that everybody was on the Niners. I couldn't see how you could take the Jets in that situation. To me it was Niners or nobody, which that's obviously how it played out. But yeah, that team's keep rolling, man, they're not missing anything. This was the best team in the NFL last year and they didn't lose anybody. So yeah, I agree with you on that. I know you're talking about Detroit, so here I'll stop.

Sean Little:

I'll save this for later, but yeah, yeah, we'll talk, because I mean it's tied together right. I think it's either going to be the Lions or the Niners, and it's been the Niners for quite some time now.

Nick Harvey:

I think we have the same four. It's Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit and San Francisco, until you tell me otherwise.

Sean Little:

Yeah, absolutely. And the thing coming in to Detroit this year was the Detroit Lions. All their superstars are young and we don't even like we don't. They haven't even hit the ceiling yet, like we don't even know how good Amon Rock can be.

Nick Harvey:

Where did Jamison Williams come from?

Sean Little:

Jamison Williams comes out and looks like he's back in the SEC. Yeah, like this is why you guys drafted me. He was talking shit too. Hey, we are very familiar with david montgomery. He is a handful professional, professional, professional bruiser. Gives shifty, different lightning and thunder. All that. Laporte is like 20 yeah, he didn't play yeah so it's like they. They have a lot of guys and golf is paid. They play 14 of 17 in a dome, nick, that's the biggest.

Nick Harvey:

that's the biggest stat for the Detroit Lions. They play 14 out of 17 games in a dome. One game outside against Chicago, one game outside against Green Bay, and then I forget who their other game outside is. But that's crazy.

Sean Little:

My bad, I wasn't. Laporta did play, but what?

Nick Harvey:

I'm getting.

Sean Little:

What I'm getting at is overall, they just have a lot of young guys that haven't even hit the ceiling yet. We don't even know if they can take it up to another level. They're going to be sensational and the D is starting to get there. Get better. They got DJ. Reader from Cincy.

Nick Harvey:

I love Hutch.

Sean Little:

Hutch's baby. Tj Watt Hutchison should watch TJ Watt Hutchinson should watch TJ Watt tape all day long. He should call him up and be like yo bro, can I come by in the summer and come get off the edge with you and figure out what you do, cause you're a different animal right now. So that's my Superbowl pick. I'm going to pick the lions to go the distance. That's my scorching hot take. That was my take before the season. And the next one is you have to cut. Uh, deshaun watson cut. I don't, I don't care, you guys gotta pay. I don't care if you have to rewrite the rule book and the cap rules. You have to figure something out with him. In that quarterback situation, there's new reports come out yesterday of a new, a new lawsuit.

Sean Little:

Oh really, I didn't see that yeah, and it, and it's actually one of the more wild ones in the whole case. Go look that up. I don't even want to talk about the details on that, but a new case comes out for Watson the other day I think it was yesterday actually he's embarrassed and, if I'm being honest, big Nick the Quick, you can't have him embarrass you off the field and on the field, you follow me. Yeah, he can't embarrass you off the field with what's been going on, with the lawsuits and the sexual assault stuff that's floating around and then shows up on Sundays in his ass too.

Nick Harvey:

Joe Flacco was infinitely better for them last year than Deshaun Watson has been since he's gotten in Cleveland. It just can't happen, Joe Flacco. The side office literally was retired.

Sean Little:

So call up the Denver Broncos and figure out the finesse that they did with Russell Wilson and how much they had to pay and whatever it may be, and just get it out the way, or put them on the bench and start. Who are they going to start? I don't know, it doesn't matter. Oh boy, jameis, what you mean, jameis? Oh yeah, jameis is there.

Nick Harvey:

Jameis is ready for this.

Sean Little:

Put Jameis on the field and let my man rock. Mr 30 for 30, dog, yeah. What are we saying? I don't understand, because now we're starting to, and also Nick.

Nick Harvey:

We're starting to go on years of this with Watson. He hasn't been good in a long, long time. He hasn't had a good game for the Cleveland Browns at all since he's gotten over there.

Sean Little:

I don't know if he's had a good drive.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, orlovsky had a great breakdown of his play yesterday on Get Up, where he showed specific plays where it's just like this is clearly a quarterback that has absolutely zero confidence in his ability. I mean, he's missing shit that he should be hitting. He's throwing balls early, he's overlooking guys. Um, and look man, I'll you. You know I've said it a hundred times, I was one of the biggest deshaun watson fans ever. Go back, watch that game. The two throws, two of the best throws I've ever seen in my entire life in new orleans, louisiana.

Sean Little:

Yeah, it was.

Nick Harvey:

Oh my goodness gracious two of the best throws I've ever seen to win a game on.

Nick Harvey:

They actually lost the game um they did right, they lost that game with the show down the field with two of them just money throws. With that being said, he has not been the same guy since. Whatever it might be injuries, mental just got a lot going on. Um, yeah, you can't keep this going. You have a good defense, you have a playoff team, you have a good coaching staff. He clearly can't do what you're asking him to do. And listen, you were better with a guy off the street last year. Flaco was unemployed. When they brought him in he was 40 years old, done counting his baltimore money. Didn't think he was gonna play anymore. Call them in he leaves them. They let. Called him in he leads them to the playoffs. Right, yeah, led them to the playoffs.

Sean Little:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One comeback player of the year, One comeback player of the year everything, yeah, he beat out. Demar.

Nick Harvey:

Hamlin for comeback. Player of the year.

Sean Little:

Yeah, man that died.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, yeah, man that died. That's how crazy the Flacco situation was. They didn't invite him back or did he retire.

Sean Little:

Em was started yesterday.

Nick Harvey:

No, no, I'm talking about Blocko, oh Blocko.

Sean Little:

I think he's in Indianapolis.

Nick Harvey:

Oh, he's playing. He's on the. Colts yeah he's backing up Richardson. Shout out, he's going to get some playing time. Shout out Richardson, though he was on fire on Sunday.

Sean Little:

Yeah, I rewatched that entire game.

Nick Harvey:

It's one entire game I've ever seen in my entire life.

Sean Little:

Yeah, if you don't know what we're talking about, anthony richardson threw a ball 67 yards in the air on a rope left for a touchdown someone in his face.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, let's. Yeah, after he slipped he had about three. I watched that game too. He had about three or four throws in that game that I was just like man, this is high level, I don't know. You know they got to work on him on doing some of the in-between stuff. You know which. You know rami, if you've heard that before. But yeah, if that guy, if you can get him coloring in between the lines, um, so that's a problem right there but yeah so I, if you're, if you're cleveland, you got to get somebody else in there.

Nick Harvey:

I fully agree. Uh, maybe give them week two, see what happens, but there's nothing you want to talk about. Cleveland or cincinnati didn't show you anything positive. Cleveland really didn't.

Sean Little:

on offense, and I think it starts with Deshaun Watson man, he was brutal, no doubt, and speaking of the things in between, let's talk about our guy, caleb Williams, and the Chicago Bears Get the W Because for a guy that says he doesn't get nervous, he looked a little nervous. To me it looked like nothing more than that. He was a little sped up. It looked a little nervous the the amount of times that we were fumbling the ball but would get it back and it would mess up.

Sean Little:

The rest of the play happened like two or three times where it was stuff, where that in between stuff, that coloring within the lines, there was a couple throws. I saw where it was just you know high level stuff where he's holding backers immediately off the snap to come back left to hit slants and moving people around and stuff like that. But overall he just looked a little tight. It looked like it was his first start in the nfl defense picked him up. I'm really happy they came back and picked him up and got the W because that's a little less spotlight on his play.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, what a week we would have been in. It would have been as Caleb Williams, a bust and all this stuff.

Sean Little:

Yeah, it would have been some question marks.

Nick Harvey:

I want to say it was like the third or fourth play of the game. Defensive lineman from the Titans gets in the backfield Forget his name, big guy, one of those big round 330-pound bowling ball guys that in college is running like a 6'8". But this is the NFL. You saw Caleb tried to hit him with the shoulder. Looked up, my man was still right there and I think right there is. When Caleb Williams oh, this is a little bit different. This is a level of athlete I haven't dealt with. This bit different, this is a level of athlete I haven't dealt with. This is a level of pursuit that I haven't dealt with. I can't just shoulder shimmy guys, the nfl, who have been doing this for 10 years and who are professionals, and I think that's kind of set the tone for the rest of the game of just how fast it was for them. Um, I think you don't, really you don't. You think about it, you know, but like something like d-line play between college and the NFL could not be more different. Right, like you were talking about four guys up front and all the Titans did was rush four. Very rarely were they bringing in any safeties or linebackers or any blitzes or anything like that. They were just lining up and beating the Bears and these guys were in the backfield all day long. You got a guy like Jeffrey Simmons Look, this is one of the best in the business, right? This is an all-pro guy. He does this. These guys are in the backfield and they get paid to get after the quarterback and that's what they were doing.

Nick Harvey:

I think Caleb looked a bit flustered, but great, he got out of his system. He didn't make any crucial mistakes. That cost us a ballgame, which you see, young quarterbacks do. You go on the other side, will Levis. It was 17-16. Will Levis did the inexplicable. I don't know why quarterbacks still do this. I'm getting sacked, so I'm just going to throw the ball up into space and hope for something good to happen. Usually what happens is it ends up in the hands of the defender and if you're really unlucky, they score a touchdown, which is what happened to Tyreek Stevenson on that play. So Caleb didn't do anything like that, didn't play well. Well, it's fine. Listen, I had a packer's friend. I had a packer's friend text me yesterday and say hey, are y'all having buyer's remorse on caleb williams? I said y'all are starting malik willis for the next six weeks get out, get out, get off my phone, get off my line it was his first game, I wasn't expecting anything crazy.

Nick Harvey:

I saw some people taking props for caleb williams, though for over 300 yards. This is the National Football League. It doesn't happen that way. Even when you're looking at some of those games that Stroud was having last year, he wasn't throwing for 350 yards, he was just making good plays and they were winning ball.

Sean Little:

Good decisions yeah.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, good decisions, man. It's fine, that's going to come. He will have to learn, like we just said, the color in between the lines. That's something that the coaching staff is going to have to work with. Speaking of coaching, I don't think Waldron did him any favors. What you can't do with a guy like Caleb who has that much every throw right, like I think some of those calls, especially on third down, put him in a spot where it'd be like third and six and you got him going for 25 um.

Nick Harvey:

So that needs to be worked on. That has to be cleaned up. Put him in a position just to make the right plays. You have a really good defense. You have great skill position players and if, uh, keaton allen catches that touchdown, it's a completely different conversation.

Sean Little:

Yeah true, no true, and that's a good point. There was a lot of spots where we're trying to pick up huge chunk plays when it's unnecessary and also on that on that deep ball that missed to keenan allen.

Sean Little:

That was off of a snap that caleb fumbled a little bit. He caught it, fumbled it a little bit, then he's rolling right trying to figure out what's going on and he's like I just got to go deep. That's my only option here, that it's the safe way now to go back to the shimmy. He 100 percent caleb williams saw that dude. It was like oh, I see this all the time.

Sean Little:

I'll just shake this dude and I'll be right back up in the pocket. I'll step up and I'll continue to look downfield. He gave him that pack 12 oregon steak, left, right, shimmy, and my man was still in his face, still there. And he said oh my God.

Nick Harvey:

This guy didn't bite on that. He's getting faster.

Sean Little:

And then he's yo exactly. And then he faded back and he's like, oh, I'll just outrun this guy and I'll go left and there's another one, this guy is not going away. Why is he still in my face? I don't understand this. Let me try to get rid of this joint. Uh-oh, it's third and 50. What have I done?

Nick Harvey:

Just like that. What have I done is the best way to put it. What have I done?

Sean Little:

How did I get all the? When I look down at my Nikes, I'm at midfield. How is this possible? What just happened?

Nick Harvey:

Sunday is different.

Sean Little:

That was a perfect example of like. This is not. You're not playing Washington State in Pullman Like that's real. This is different. It's very, very, very different's real.

Nick Harvey:

This is different. It's very, very, very, very different coaching.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, they've been scheming on you all summer long waiting for this game. So yeah, I again, I'm not worried at all. He didn't make the it's those crucial, those crucial negative plays right. He did have the 30 yard sack and a couple of that, but no turnovers. Played it safe. Um and man, great job by the defense and the special teams. We were waiting for that, I think you and I talked. In the first half I said if Ibraflus is a defensive guru, I don't see it. Clearly, in the second half they turned it around. Ibraflus is still a cheerleader to me, not like your boy over there in New York.

Nick Harvey:

Biggest cheerleader was on the sidelines last night. You guys saw last year I've been saying this for two years now when I saw Hard Knocks cheerleader.

Sean Little:

Honestly, what does he do? Nick was the first person I ever heard bring this up and he was dead on. This was bang on three years ago. He goes Sean, bro, robert, what does he do? And I was like, yeah, you know, he a defense, he's coming from I. I did the uh, he's coming from that niners pedigree, like I did that whole thing, if you're gonna be, because, like tomlin, doesn't see very many clipboards either, but he sets the tone and has everybody, he runs the shit correctly.

Sean Little:

I mean, robert salah is not on that level. Yeah, he's not like that, yeah. So to go back to floos, that's honestly the biggest question mark I have going forward here, just overall about the, the team, because, look, it's a new offense, it's a new offensive coordinator, it's a new quarterback and you know who's supposed to manage all that and make sure shit is smooth floos and I'm not sure he is doing that like he's supposed to be. If you remember, this is to be honest, nick, I've actually never I haven't seen too much like this. I still stand that he should have been fired. Going into this new regime, we should have started fresh. Go get hardball, go get a couple other guys, go get ben johnson, go do whatever. Well, that's, that's water under the bridge. Now the mccaskies weren't going to pay multiple folks, like we know the deal. Yeah, the fact that he went from being fired to doing to getting a haircut, a beard line up oh, did you see his?

Nick Harvey:

sunglasses crib was crazy. He had the crib with the lakefront property yeah to then becoming the favorite.

Sean Little:

He closed the favorite for coach of the year. Yeah, he was just about to be fired and should have been so. Those are the question marks I got from Flues. I haven't seen quite the turnaround like that, where he was out the door. Then we get the shout-out Lovey Smith, we get the first pick in the draft, we pick Caleb and now he's the odds-on favorite to win coach of the year. We got some work to do on that, so stay tuned. They did bounce back out of half Will Levitz and to go back to that, Will Levitz flick, if you go back and watch the game, earlier in the game he was getting sacked and he did that same thing and it was incomplete and he tried to go back to that shit and it was a pick six.

Nick Harvey:

Listen, man, guy's got a lot of heart. I respect the kid. Clearly he worked on his body in the offseason. Looks phenomenal in pads. You say it looks like a football player. It looks like a football player, lots of heart. I don't know what he was doing taking some of those hits. If you heard, mark Sanchez was losing it on the broadcast watching Will Levis get repeatedly drilled in the back because he refused to slide but probably not a high-level NFL starter.

Sean Little:

Yeah, I told you he's a homeless, baker Mayfield Lots of heart, Not a lot of brain, Yo, and this is the thing too. We talk about this all the time. Nick Baker Mayfield in college was a dog.

Nick Harvey:

He was a dog.

Sean Little:

Will Levitz, kentucky Essies. Okay, I'm still yet to see a dude remind me if I'm missing somebody. That was just okay in college. And then show up on Sundays and be very impactful from the quarterback position. It doesn't really happen, so that's always. And then show up on Sundays and be very impactful from the quarterback position. It doesn't really happen. It doesn't really happen, so that's always really interesting coming in because, as you can see, even the best guys coming out winning Heismans it takes a little bit of time to get right.

Nick Harvey:

And I didn't mean that as disrespect to Baker, by the way, because I think Baker's turned it around and Baker's great career. Baker's comfortable Baker's very career, that's all he needed by the way.

Sean Little:

Remember we talked about this too. I don't hear from Baker like I used to, that motherfucker goes to work now and goes to the crib kicking it in Tampa. I'm not seeing Baker Mayfield commercials. I'm not seeing him dancing. I'm not seeing him talking shit commercials. I'm not seeing him dancing. I'm not seeing him talking shit in post-game pressers. Go listen to his presser from yesterday. He threw four touchdowns. They asked him about it. He's like yeah, you know, we're just down here working. We're just going to try to stack these W's who is this?

Nick Harvey:

Who is this? Who's this? Listen, I've always said Baker is like at that weird spot where he's not good enough to be elite but he's not bad enough to be like a career backup, like he is a starter in the NFL. He will be, and if you put the right things around him and don't put too much on him, you can have some success. Baker was fine and let's not forget the dumpster fire that he was dealing with in Cleveland.

Sean Little:

He had Freddy us baker was fine, and let's not forget the dumpster fire that he was dealing with in cleveland.

Nick Harvey:

He had freddie kitchens as a head coach at one point in time. Shout out freddie kitchens. Shout out freddie kitchens. He had hugh jackson. He had hugh jackson as a head coach. I wasn't expecting to hear freddie kitchens name today do you remember that hire, and everybody was like a running backs coach. He took over after hugh, hugh Jackson got fired and gave him the job, and it was a fucking disaster.

Sean Little:

Freddie Kitchens.

Nick Harvey:

Shout out, Freddie I hope he didn't spend all that money. Man Shout out Freddie man. He was just a good old boy from the South.

Sean Little:

He got himself a deal.

Nick Harvey:

Got himself a deal. Nice.

Sean Little:

Thing you know he was on Monday Night Football.

Nick Harvey:

Monday Night Football.

Sean Little:

Monday Night Football. Is that, freddie? He got to figure this shit out, hey also before we get to Tom and the Tyreek situation. I have to get this off my chest, man, because what the Kansas City Chiefs and the boys are doing right now is very spectacular. Uh-oh, because the rest of the league has to be looking at these boys. These boys are smacking people on national tv and then they're jet setting to the us open and they're, and they're, and they're, they're. They're wearing prada shirts and gucci bucket hats and travis kelsey travis Travis.

Sean Little:

Kelsey got a mustache and he's dancing with Taylor Swift the most famous woman damn near on the planet on the box. And they just went and dismantled the Ravens, who are supposed to be the second best team in the AFC. Dismantled and then they're drinking in the box honey deuces, they're kicking it. And then they're going show up on sunday this week and crack and cracks the boys again, and then they're gonna go, and then they're gonna go kick it again. What's?

Nick Harvey:

this week's event. Where are they?

Sean Little:

gonna be like where might a?

Nick Harvey:

formula one race. It might be in monaco.

Sean Little:

Yeah, because like because, typically, yeah, like it's football time now, we're not supposed to be seeing the boys out kicking it like that.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, it's not like. Yeah, you really don't see that in the NFL. They are for sure.

Sean Little:

You know, bro, they went to the game Thursday, got the W and by Sunday they was in New York drinking Fashion Week, kicking it Like it's not game week, like they got a bye or some shit.

Nick Harvey:

They got Cincinnati this week.

Sean Little:

They Like it's not game week, Like they got to buy or some shit, they got Cincinnati this week they're not worried. So you get what I'm saying. Like I love it, Like you know me, Nick, when you can talk crazy and act crazy and then show up in crack boys, those are the folks I love. So I love that they're not shying from it.

Nick Harvey:

You said to me the other day look at Mahomes man, you know he works out not really. You know he shows up to the game. Whatever, man Stocky.

Sean Little:

No, I'll say exactly what I said, Coming from a chubby man in myself. Mahomes is doing this to people and he's not even in tip-top shape like that. He's not even in shape like that. He's drinking Coolers, lights and shit after games.

Nick Harvey:

He's not on that tb12 yet if you go if he's not.

Sean Little:

That's a perfect perfect sentence. He's not on that he's not on that tb12, that's for sure bro, he's living life relaxing. It's almost like he can't believe how this shit, how smooth this shit is going.

Nick Harvey:

This is great, I'm not even going.

Sean Little:

The nfl was tough, yeah like I'm not even locked in like that, no, and mentally is like a perfect example. We talked about this too. Lamar Jackson trimmest we've ever seen him.

Nick Harvey:

Oh my God, the 205, they said.

Sean Little:

What Lamar Jackson was in shape, a long, long ways away from that picture of him drinking a milkshake with a bag of popcorn in his pocket or in his hand. He was in a milkshake, he was nimble bro, we just talked about will levitt's great folks is shredded shredded this mahomes is a chubby dude out there killing everybody. He's funny. He's luca in the nfl with titles yeah that's what it is. So what they're doing right now is special, because you said it last week, bro.

Nick Harvey:

Last year was the year to clip them and they won the Super Bowl. It'll never be as bad as it was last year, like that team was bad. That's one of the worst offensive teams we've ever seen win a Super Bowl. Outside of Patrick Mahomes Skill position players were negatives.

Sean Little:

So yeah, man, it's scary. It's scary to see them out there really chilling. You got to understand, bro. Travis is dating Taylor Swift and they're running around Brooklyn going to dinner and shit and it's game week. They got practice on Tuesday or whatever it is, were they out and about.

Nick Harvey:

People saw them out and about. Gee man.

Sean Little:

They was at Luke Colley in Brooklyn getting pizza. They was at the US Open in the box, hey, and not sitting down either, Like y'all going to see us, we in this bitch they dancing. They was big, chilling man.

Nick Harvey:

Travis was Gucci down.

Sean Little:

Yeah, bro, they really living and then showing up on Sunday. You guys have no answers. Every week no answers at all.

Nick Harvey:

I had to get the boys For that boy man.

Sean Little:

Yeah, I had to get the.

Nick Harvey:

Chiefs, boys, their props. I thought you were going to say what I've finally been waiting for you to say, but it's okay, we got 17 more weeks. I was ready for Strapper to say hey, nick, hey Nick, man, I've seen the light and I apologize.

Sean Little:

but it'll happen. Alright, let's talk about, let's talk about Dak, and then we'll stick in the NFC and talk about Brock and Shanahan, what they did last night, but any thoughts on Dak getting the deal late before? Hey, you know what. I'll actually kick it off because I want to say this about Dak Prescott he doesn't get enough credit for how unflappable he is. He shows up in shit storms every single week in the media, always stays in line, plays well and at the end of the day, has gotten the money that he needs in both spots off the broken leg still got paid. Then, coming into the year, everybody and their mama getting 55 million per to play quarterback. That doesn't mention it, doesn't bring it up. He's in camp, he's going to camp. Jerry jones is talking to steven a saying yeah, dax, my guy, we're gonna get him paid. He just never, ever caves Like. I'm waiting for Dak to be at the presser and go crazy one time.

Sean Little:

Like next question you a clown? He never flaps, never, never. He's just up there, he's a company man, company man, bro, star on my chest, I'm the Dallas Cowboys quarterback and I'm going to keep it moving.

Nick Harvey:

Well, you know why. If this doesn't work out, that's fine. I'll go get the bag from multiple different places. So if you don't want to pay me, Jerry, or whatever the case may, I'm paying. He knew he was paying regardless. Next year, I'm paid.

Sean Little:

So, yeah, man, shout out Dak. They went out there. Then they went to Cleveland. Another defense that was supposed to be lights out, they absolutely shredded them. Dallas shredded them. Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan made that Jets D. That was tops in the league in a lot of different categories last year. They were really good against the run, best in DVOA against tight ends. This guy, brock Purdy, always knows where to go with the ball. He always knows where to go, nick. I've never seen the man like I don't know where to go with this rock. Yeah, him and Kyle Shanahan are lockstep.

Nick Harvey:

And he's still getting disrespected. If we're being completely honest, I had this thought about Brock Purdy last night, because people still look at Brock Purdy last night, because people still Brock Purdy. You see this, you know, like whatever, if you took Brock Purdy right and you just put the name Lance on the back of his jersey and he did everything that Brock Purdy's done over the past two years, we'd be like man, goddamn, the Niners hit on Trey Lance. Goddamn, they hit on Trey Lance, trey Lance. What a pick.

Nick Harvey:

But because it's Brock Purdy and he was the last pick of the draft, there's just a refusal to believe that he's good at quarterback, and you and I have been talking about this for two and a half years now, since he first came on the scene. This guy can play quarterback. I don't know what do you need him to see? Do you want to throw the ball between his legs? What do you need to be impressed by? No, I'm serious, because maybe he doesn't do that. Maybe, maybe he doesn't do that. Maybe he doesn't do necessarily the spectacular, which I kind of beg to differ, because I've seen him make plenty of really high level throws that a lot of guys who you love in the nfl cannot make, or we're asking them to make, or we're waiting on them to make or get better right? I love lamar brock purdy's making some throws that I want lamar to make, sometimes right like he puts the ball where it needs to go. He's not dinkinginking and dunking. He throws the ball downfield when he needs to. He makes plays with his legs when he needs to. He escapes pressure when he needs to. Oh, and guess what else he does? He wins a bunch of fucking ball games and he's going to get paid this offseason.

Nick Harvey:

But that was the thought I had. I'm like it has to be because he was the last pick in the draft, because it because it's not like he's coming out here and Trent Dilfering right, or Brad Johnsoning or any other quarterback who was just along for the ride. He is driving the boat, yeah, does he have great players around him? Absolutely. Are we punishing him for that? I don't understand. And guess what? They won't be there next year. So maybe we'll figure out what type of quarterback he is next year and if he sucks, everybody can do whatever. But I don't see it. I think he is a high-level quarterback in the NFL. I think he is in that top 10 list, if we're being completely honest this guy was the MVP through 16 weeks.

Nick Harvey:

He was the MVP through 16 weeks last year until they got smacked by Jacksonville Still the Jacksonville game right?

Sean Little:

No, it was Baltimore.

Nick Harvey:

Baltimore. Yeah, until they got smacked by Baltimore, he was the MVP. I don't know what else people need to see. Take him for someone who's been watching bad quarterbacking for a long time in this city. I know what bad looks like and I know what good looks like.

Sean Little:

That's a good quarterback. He wasn't allowed to have a bad game. He had one bad game and they were like, yeah, okay, but it killed him. I. I want to hear about him at any moment. Cam.

Nick Harvey:

Newton doing the whole podcast thing, Like birdie, Like the whole thing 100%.

Sean Little:

It's crazy.

Nick Harvey:

But you feel me on the Trey Lance thing. If he was Trey Lance and it was the same exact numbers, we'd be like, oh they hit.

Sean Little:

No, we actually have a perfect example in Jordan Love. Jordan Love played half a season really well, extremely well, and he got a max deal. This guy puts a guy hey, brock's been doing this for two full seasons.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah.

Sean Little:

This is not like Jordan Love did it for eight games in a row and got a brand new sparkling deal, no questions asked. People are anointing him as the next guy, Brock has done this two years in a row, Came off an elbow, a UCL injury, Came right back, Did it again and people still don't want to give him love. So yeah, Jordan Love in Green Bay is a perfect example of that. If his name was different and maybe if he looked a little different he would have given this props. Yeah.

Nick Harvey:

So yeah.

Sean Little:

So yeah, we can leave that there.

Sean Little:

It is ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, we got about 15 more minutes. I do want to talk about I don't want to leave us too much time on the Tyreek Hill because I don't talk politics on this show and that's a very politically loaded yes it is Politically loaded topic but I do want to talk about. I do want to talk about it. But I want to talk about Tom Brady first and Tom Brady in the booth, because I've talked to multiple people about this and I think it's a very interesting topic. Now for those who don't know, tom brady's number one guy now color guy on fox. He's with kevin burkhart. They did cowboys browns and if you didn't watch or listen, go back and listen to it. Those are the two games I watched and I've watched three games back in full. Yesterday I watched Colts-Texans, I watched Dallas and the Cleveland and I re-watched the Bears game. I want to go back and watch that Rams-Lions. I'll do that today.

Nick Harvey:

You should watch Buffalo. Buffalo and Arizona was a lot of fun. Buffalo and Arizona was a lot of fun. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

Sean Little:

I'll go back and peep that as well, but we I hit you on the tom thing for another guy and for me, being in the business a little bit, I've never done play by play on national television, but it seemed like tom almost was just tight and over prepared and then like just didn't know how to respond or what to say in certain situations and Burkhart didn't really help him out too, too much that's what I was telling you, yeah.

Sean Little:

There was a lot of, like you said, there was a lot of dead, air Dead air. Where Tom was just like hey, man, this is your time to say some shit and put some color on what's going on.

Sean Little:

It didn't help that the game was bad, but the they didn't have a lot of support for him. They kind of thought that he was just going to be out there and just be able to talk through every situation and he was having trouble in that spot. You thought do you think tom was just nervous or it's new? I think it was just. Yeah, he's a rookie too.

Nick Harvey:

He hasn't he hasn't done any tv like this. Guy has been insulated for the past 25 years. He has not done TV shows. He doesn't host things. He doesn't dance with the stars None of that shit. Like for as famous as Tom Brady was, he was very, very on task as far as winning seven Super Bowls Like that wasn't his goal.

Sean Little:

Yeah, if he wasn't, it was real quick. Drinking honey deuces in front of everybody In a Prada shirt? Yeah, exactly.

Nick Harvey:

He's a jarhead dude. I mean, he's a jarhead. He's been just locked in for X amount of years. So I think you bring him out of that environment. And to your point, I told you yesterday I like Burkhart Burkhart's very, but you pair Romo with Nance right. You put him with these legends who aren't going to allow that dead air go. Or Aikman with Buck, where I know Aikman's been doing this a long time. But still these guys who are extremely professional and know how to handle that. There were tons of times that Burkhart left him hanging. I'm thinking, if you're sitting next to Tom Brady, pick his brain about the situation that's going on in the field and let him elaborate on that.

Sean Little:

That will make him comfortable, tom, as a quarterback.

Nick Harvey:

In this situation, what are you thinking about? What are you looking at After that three and out? What are you going back and talking about on the sidelines with your offensive guy? Who is it that you're dealing with? What are you looking at on the pages? What happens on that surface, pro? Walk us through that. And then what you're going to do if you get him to start talking football, right, and his process, then you're going to open it up, right?

Nick Harvey:

I think they expected him to be Romo. Romo is much more like type A. We can see that Romo is a rah-rah type guy, right, and that's why people loved him in the beginning. That's not Tom, right. Tom is much more for lack of better terms subdued, but it's there. This is a fiery guy who's incredibly intelligent and has a perspective unlike anybody you have ever had in that booth. It is on them and the producers of that show and you know better than me, I'm not a tv guy, but I'm assuming this is their jobs to extract tom brady out of tom brady, that is their only job the whole offseason preparing for that, running them through dry runs.

Nick Harvey:

kevin, you need to be throwing it to Tom in any high leverage situation. You need to be throwing it to Tom in any confusion that's going on and let him cook. What you can't have Tom do is just pick up the game action he's not going to be good at that.

Sean Little:

You got to set him up a little bit.

Nick Harvey:

That's a very nuanced thing that you learn through years of TV, right? I'm sure there are professionally trained broadcasters who struggle with play-by-play and color on a live broadcast because it's not planned, it's not a TV show, it's not segmented. So you got to like really guide him along through that and make him comfortable, can't just be like, hey man, go at it Like it doesn't work that way. So I thought they didn't really do him any favors. But I also thought people I tweeted this the other day people, people ready to be like, oh, this isn't gonna work. This is tom brady we're talking about.

Nick Harvey:

Where have you been if you think that this dude is just gonna wake up, be like hey, I suck at this and decide to go do something else.

Sean Little:

You haven't been paying attention no doubt it's not gonna happen we, I'm not going out that way yeah, I was. That this is. I was actually fascinated by this because, like you know, we just assumed tom would come in and be grade number one a1 and it wasn't that way in week one. It's almost like someone told him to be someone he maybe wasn't and he kind of was like thinking don't be rumble, don't predict plays.

Sean Little:

Yeah exactly like. If you look at a guy like everyone loves, like Collinsworth and I like Collinsworth, some people don't like Collinsworth, but I think overall he brings this element of just like a guy excited about what's going on and he's just watching a football game at home Like, oh look at this, Can you believe how? And like. You know what I'm saying. He it's not brady was brady, was just coming off wild, rigid and he wasn't opening up and just kind of chatting, talking ball, and I think that's what makes collinsworth and some of those guys likable. When it comes to color commentary, you think burkhart this is obviously a conspiracy theorist theory, but you think burkhart was kind of like see, this is why you don't get rid of my guy olsen like olsen was his guy like you think he might?

Nick Harvey:

have also. Is number two now right, or is also yeah, no?

Sean Little:

also too. Also too. Yeah, they moved, they moved also back. But is it? You think it's one of those things where like hey, like if they put me and you in the booth we've been working together for years now and then they just took you off and gave me someone else and like, not, that burkhart's not a professional, but it's like, okay, he's supposed to be better than my guy. Like here's, here's some air time go ahead.

Nick Harvey:

I would hope that's not. I would hope that's not his reality, because you got to make it work. But yeah, I don't think that's the case. I just think they don't have any chemistry and it's clear, clear that they again, man, they didn't. You said it best. Burkhart was not doing him any favors on that broadcast and if I'm the producers and execs this week, I'm like, hey man, you have to put it's just like football. You got to put him in a situation where he can excel and leaving him out there to call the action as it's going or to pick up on dead air. He doesn't understand. Am I all the action as it's going or to pick up on dead air? He, he doesn't understand. Am I supposed to talk yet?

Sean Little:

like you know, like right, yeah, yeah burkhart yeah, you're the tv veteran.

Nick Harvey:

Like, fucking, take the lead and tom will give you the insight when he's ready to do that. Um, yeah, so it's just an awkward situation. It's also yeah, yeah, so I think it'll get better, um, and I think we'll get what we want from tom. It just might take a little bit of time.

Nick Harvey:

Man, he's also a perfectionist, so he's not the type of guy who's gonna go out there and just say some shit he wants to make sure. So to where? To your point about him being nervous? He's probably like, is this the right thing to say? This is a guy who is meticulous and perfect and needs to do everything 100% right, so he might not just not do it at all. Yeah.

Sean Little:

Is it partly that he's built this Tom Brady facade where, like he, no one really knows who he is, and that he feels like he has to be a certain way and can't be himself Because clearly Romo right off the jump was just himself like? This is how?

Sean Little:

I'm gonna do it is is, tom, like I am in the eyes of a lot of people. This is how I act or talk or look, and this is how I kind of I'm gonna go about this, because it just seemed like when you're you're, when you act like that, or you're that tight or you're not, it just it seemed like he was trying to play to something and that he just wasn't being himself and naturally talking about what was going on.

Nick Harvey:

I think we're maybe under plan how tough it is to do that gig like even yeah, yeah, and like you, you, you now have what like four years of tv. I still feel like if they threw you in a booth for a live game not not a, not a simulcast, like an actual fucking suited and booted on the side you'd probably have an awkward moment, right, or even go back to when you first got on tv, right you're one of the most personal people that I know.

Nick Harvey:

But I'm sure if you were to watch some of your early tv appearances you probably cringe like, oh my god, like what the fuck?

Sean Little:

am I doing type shit?

Nick Harvey:

yeah, no, no yeah, it takes, it takes and that, and those are much more comfortable settings than being in a booth in an arena. It's just you two feet away from Kevin Burkhardt doing this whole pregame stare down thing, which is awkward, right? So, like, I think it just takes time. This is the first game and it wasn't a good game. Let's also talk about that. It was a game where you had to fill airtime because the game was brutal.

Sean Little:

It was a blowout, so there wasn't a lot to talk about.

Nick Harvey:

I think if you felt like such a good time to talk like watson or something, though too.

Sean Little:

Yeah, yeah, like yes there was a lot of different things that I felt like what?

Nick Harvey:

is the sean going through? Tom? Like you, you've seen this guy. You've seen him perform at the high level. You know the talents there. Tell me what could possibly be going on after missing two years, tom, what was it like after you went down in week one against?

Sean Little:

whoever the fuck yeah with the ACL.

Nick Harvey:

And then had to come back the next year, were you?

Sean Little:

gun shy.

Nick Harvey:

Where's this happen? You know like, these are things that, as a producer, you should have queued up for him to talk about, and you should tell him ahead of time. Tom, if Sean Watson struggles, we might go here Okay cool, I will have insight on that. If you and struggles, we might go here okay cool, I will have insight on that. Right, if you mean to tell me tom brady can't talk about playing quarterback for three hours, then you're crazy, right, so they didn't do a good job.

Sean Little:

I thought that was a bad, bad. Bad job by fox.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, no doubt so it's not the guy to be with him either, but you don't really have burkhart's their number one, so I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see it is game one and I'll help too that he next week they have Dallas again he gets Dallas again. One quick question on that Do you think he would have done better? Because I guess they can't recreate this, but would he have done better in like the Peyton Manning type scenario? Peyton and Eli are very comfortable in that show, and how?

Sean Little:

they kind of do it Are they just chilling. Well, yeah, that's why I think it was nerves, because if you get Tom in like that podcast setting where he sits with it's going to be electric. I can't remember his name. Who's the guy that does boxing where Mayweather told him he never liked him anyway? Brian Kinney.

Nick Harvey:

Oh, no, no, no, no. Brian Kinney Lampley no no no, tim Lampley.

Sean Little:

No, not Lampley.

Nick Harvey:

He said Brian Kinney, he goes. Brian Kinney is the man who's good at a lot of things but not great at anything. That's one of the best Mayweather interviews ever. Shout out to Floyd Money Mayweather, oh Jim.

Sean Little:

Gray, jim Gray, jim Gray Jim.

Nick Harvey:

Gray.

Sean Little:

He does the pod with Jim Gray and if you listen to that, remember he tried to take the mic out of Jim Gray's hand, and if you listen to that remember he tried to take the mic out of Jim Gray's hand Was that you never give me a fair shake.

Nick Harvey:

No, that was Howard. You never give me a fair shake.

Sean Little:

That was the old dude If I was younger, I'd kick your ass. Yeah, Broder did it. Gray had a couple instances where he was going back and forth with folks.

Sean Little:

Jim Gray's a fiery guy. Yeah, I like Jim Gray. He's good at his job, job, so it's a legend him. Him and brady have a pod and it's awesome the insight he like they have other quarterbacks on and they chat and they've done a whole bunch of things where it's like, oh yeah, tom is going to be unbelievable on tv. I think that setting was just very high. It's just very high leverage and everybody was watching so let's hear what tom's gonna say. And he didn't have a lot to say in a lot of spots and and that was perplexing in some scenarios, especially yeah, do you make it more of a Brady-centric Go ahead.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah, I mean maybe Like a Brady-centric broadcast, like hey, we have Tom, like really play up to the fact that, as opposed to just being another guy in the booth kind of like they did, it was almost understated. Like, kind of like they did, it was almost understated. I know he had the commercials and the promo videos and all that, but once it happened, it's kind of like I'm in the booth with Tom Brady, whereas maybe it should be this grandiose thing of like hey, this is Tom fucking Brady here. Create a segment for him Brady's five points, or Brady's seven points, because he has seven Super Bowl rings. Tom, give us seven things, give us your seven rings of today, all right?

Sean Little:

cool, you know, like shit, like that it's corny, but it's good TV.

Nick Harvey:

You know Facts.

Sean Little:

Facts.

Nick Harvey:

Yeah facts.

Sean Little:

All right, we got a minute and a half. You have any comments on Tyreek Hill getting cuffed up speeding? That was crazy. The body cam footage comes out. Overzealous People are going to be like be like.

Nick Harvey:

Well, tyreek should have, you know, complied and all that and was was he being the friendliest? No, but he's also on his way to work. He's outside the stadium. The fuck are you pulling me over for? Give me the ticket so I can move on. Cop number two uh crazy.

Sean Little:

That guy has to go. He's a liability. What does he do?

Nick Harvey:

liability. He pulls him out the car, then gets behind him and chokes hold him.

Sean Little:

Choke holds him says all types of crazy shit and, honestly, tyreek hill was pretty calm after they started.

Nick Harvey:

Man I thought he was. If I'm being completely honest, I wouldn't have been.

Sean Little:

I don't think at any point tyreek was out of pocket outside of like hey, stop banging on my window why are you?

Sean Little:

banging on my window like that, and then he rolled the window down and then rolled it back up. It's just a communication thing, man, be like yo listen. Mr Hill, please keep your window down, because I can't see what you're doing through the tent and I don't want this to escalate. I'm not playing this game. Get out the car. Almost rips his door off on the McLaren Like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How did we get here Like? This is unnecessary.

Nick Harvey:

So grabs him from behind, pushes him to the ground, like the whole shit is crazy. Then you put Calais Campbell in handcuffs. I'll tell this to Nick. I'm like hey, calais Campbell is 38 years old, has been in the NFL for 16 years, has been in the NFL for 16 years, is the Walter Payton man of the Year and has won every single community service award you could possibly have in this league. There's ramifications for putting a dude like that in cuffs. Trust me, he went to Miami. He is a member of the community, well-respected.

Nick Harvey:

He probably is very plugged up in that community. He gave the University of Miami a $3 million charitable donation so I'm sure he can make a phone call or two, um, to make things very uncomfortable for those at city hall, and he's probably doing that. But yeah, whole situation was crazy. Man reminds me of the shepard situation. Yeah, it's crazy. Shout out darlington, who always seems to be around this stuff. Give that man an extension. He knows where to be, I know Jeff. Darlington. Knows where to be. Knows where to be.

Sean Little:

Knows where to be. Also shout out Drew Rosenhaus, because it is very clear.

Nick Harvey:

30 years of this.

Sean Little:

It is very clear that he has his boys back, regardless of the situation. He didn't say hey, nick, tyreek didn't say hey, man call Mike McDaniel, singular Call Drew, call Mike.

Nick Harvey:

Call Drew.

Sean Little:

Call Mike, call whoever Call Tua. He said call Drew man.

Nick Harvey:

Right now.

Sean Little:

Call Drew bro.

Nick Harvey:

Call.

Sean Little:

Rosenhaus ASAP, bro, like, forget about that's the first person that needs to know what's going on. Nobody else Not Mike McDaniel. Don't call Stephen A Smith Call.

Nick Harvey:

Drew Rosenhaus.

Sean Little:

ASAP. That was a big, big plus for Drew Rosenhaus. It's clear that, no matter the situation I need help, drew's always got my back.

Nick Harvey:

Let me call Drew, have him hold me down, go back to TL working out in his driveway. It was 2001, 2002. Drew Rosenhaus was fully involved in that. Shout out, drew Rosenhaus, epic. What a time TO. If you go back to that whole TO saga of trying to get traded from San Fran and working with San Fran. Was he trying to get?

Sean Little:

traded from San Fran or from Dallas? He was in Philly at this point. He was he trying to get started from Dallas?

Nick Harvey:

he was in Philly at this point he was in Philly working out in the driveway with his shirt pretty sure he was in Philly.

Sean Little:

But yeah, that was like pre big time Twitter too, like that would have been oh my god TO is one of a kind we're back, he's still not in the hall of fame no he's they put him second ballot. That's a whole nother podcast. They didn't even give TO the first ballot Hall of Fame. Now it's a whole nother podcast.

Nick Harvey:

Where were y'all during TO's time?

Sean Little:

No, they did that on purpose. They did it on purpose. They humiliated him. Yeah, he didn't go to canton, he did it from tennessee. Yeah, he's like I'm gonna go to canton second ballot. Are y'all out of your mind? Yeah, stop please. Where were you cut it out? Stupid, we're back. No Ketchup talk. V in chicago for big nick the quick. I am your host, sean, little subscribe. Lock in everywhere news and new uh new stuff. Man, we're back weekly. We're trying to try to drop as much, uh much content as we can here. Chop a bunch of clips, get it out, get back rolling. No catch up sports talk via chicago. Let's get to it you.