Revolutionizing Firefighting: Innovations in EV Fire Safety and Historical Curiosities

What if the future of firefighting could save more lives while preserving the environment? In this episode, we sit down with Jesse Coletto, a retired firefighter and car enthusiast, who introduces us to E-FireX and their groundbreaking product, Triple E. Jesse shares his expert insights on the challenges of battling electric vehicle fires, explaining how Triple E's natural ingredients bond with lithium battery cells and redirect oxygen to effectively extinguish fires. We also catch a glimpse of Jesse's passion for vintage Volkswagen cars and the highly anticipated Hot August Nights car show in Reno, Nevada.

Next, we unveil revolutionary microtechnology that's set to transform the firefighting industry. Discover how heat-activated squares suspended in a non-water-based agent can tackle large-scale chemical fires without the environmental risks associated with traditional firefighting foams. We discuss the potential of this innovative technology to address both efficiency and ecological concerns, particularly in the context of electric vehicles and autonomous 18-wheelers. Finally, we journey through the captivating history of propeller-driven automobiles, from the 1932 Helicron to the modern Stuttgart Ventimobile, celebrating the incredible ingenuity behind these unique vehicles.

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Speaker 1 0:01

Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast, a 30-minute mini version of the In Wheel Time Car Show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am, central. Yeah, this is the world's favorite place to go for fun and informative car talk. It's the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show. Fun and informative car talk. It's the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show, and coming up. You know, I did want to note that Windstream and Kinetic did not have a flatulence episode this morning and we are here to bring you the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show, coming to you from the Sugar Shack Studios just outside Houston. So thanks, yeah, thank you very much for joining us, I think, from the Sugar Shack Studios just outside Houston. Nice, yeah, thank you very much for joining us, I think. So I've missed a page.

Speaker 1 0:53

It's okay, I'm trying to backpedal and find it, but I can't find it. So I think I found it Very good. All right, we're going to talk to Jesse Coletto here in just a second about e-fire x and uh, it's, it's an important story because we all hear and have actually seen in fact I watched a video, uh, this week of a fire taking place on an ev. You can't put it out, it's like a magnesium fire. Yeah, you can't put it out. So anyway, we're going to fire. Yep, yeah, you can't put it out. So, anyway, we're going to talk to him. And then Jeff is going to have a special report about I put here movie prop cars, because Mars gave me the information that it was a prop. I'm thinking, oh, a prop like a car that was used in a movie. Well, you're just going to be enthralled because it's about propellers.

Speaker 3 1:44

You're going to be so excited.

Speaker 1 1:45

Propellers. Yeah, you didn't put that in there. No, you put prop. You know I'm going to come over there and slap you.

Speaker 3 1:51

Oh, oh oh, that's 938. It's now 1001. It is.

Speaker 1 2:02

And that wasn't a complaint, that was a threat, it was a promise, a promise, a promise. So there's that. Jesse Coletto is with a company called E-FireX. Jesse, good morning and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 2:13

Good morning, Good morning guys.

Speaker 1 2:14

Thank you for having me yeah, hey, where are you? Where are you speaking?

Speaker 2 2:17

to us from.

Speaker 1 2:18

Reno Nevada, Reno Nevada. No, wait a minute, they got a big car show coming up, they do, yeah, coming up here pretty soon in August. Yeah, are you going to go to that Hot August nights? Hot August nights, do you go?

Speaker 2 2:31

Yeah, I'll be there for sure. I'm a car collector, I have two old VWs and cruise them around.

Speaker 1 2:38

And look at the smile on his face. He's all happy about that. Yeah, exactly. So let's talk about eFireX. How did you get involved with this?

Speaker 2 2:50

Yeah, so you know I'm a retired firefighter. You know I was a firefighter for 25 years here in Clark County in Nevada, in Las Vegas and as well, and finished my career in Reno, nevada. And you know, four years ago I started seeing the advancement of EV cars in the market, right, and you know, I just noticed that they were not going anywhere and we were coming across you know a couple of you know fires, as you mentioned. You know they're hard, you know to put out, just with water and any other foam type agents that you know know currently are in the market. So, um, you know my background is, you know business marketing degree and, uh, but you know, became a firefighter and I just knew I saw a problem and, you know, decided to come up with the solution and so the what is the name of the product?

Speaker 2 3:39

so the product, the agent itself, is called triple e and the reason why it's called triple e? Because the agent's only composed of three ingredients that go into the formula, and they're all natural ingredients and the company is eFireX. And what this agent is? So, as you know, lithium batteries very, very difficult to put out, right, and the reason being is because they're self-oxidizing and our current agents in the market are smotherers-type agents, meaning they lay on top to suffocate the oxygen from coming above, right, sure, but it increases, right.

Speaker 2 4:18

Well, lithium is a whole different beast, because these smother agents just sit on top and, you know, theicking fires are just saying, okay, I'm just going to wait till you dissipate and break through again, right, that's your thermal runaway. That's what we're seeing happening. You know, after each firefighter comes in and knocks the fire down, the next thing, you know, it reignites, you know, 10, 20, 30 minutes later. So that's the issue with the current agents right now. So what I decided to do is I needed to develop something that is well advanced and actually travels inside that battery cell and or around the casing itself and bonds with it and just redirects that oxygen from, you know, igniting other battery cells to the actual formula so I was able to create that and find the solution to knocking down and extinguishing that oxygen process of those lithium batteries.

Speaker 1 5:17

Now is this product. Is it available only to firefighters, or can I get a hold of it?

Speaker 2 5:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:23

So right now, you know the concentration was to, with the launch, you know the plan and you know what we, you know, decided to roll out with is to, you know, arm our you know first responders right throughout the nation, you know every municipality and you know city, get them well equipped to, you know, fight these fires.

Speaker 2 5:43

You know, because they're the first responders. You know, fight these fires. You know, because they're the first responders, right, they're the ones that arrive on scene immediately. Then our second you know process, you know which. Actually, we just launched our new website and we're pretty excited about that which is our consumer you know component of it, and this is where, you know, the public will be able to, you know, get online and order our fire extinguishers, you know, through online, and we're working right now with major retailers to get the product in shelves in their retail store. So, you know, everyone that owns some sort of EV either be a bike scooter that they're storing in their garage or in their home or in their apartment they can, you know, buy the extinguisher and have it on site.

Speaker 1 6:27

Is it packaged like a regular fire extinguisher, like the kind that we can buy at? Whatever, the kind that you can hang right next to the stove if you've got some sort of grease fire or in the garage, if you have a gasoline fire. Is it packaged that way?

Speaker 2 6:41

Exactly so. It's packaged just exactly like the current, you know, extinguishers we see in the market right now. You know the extinguisher comes with a wall hook. You know that. You can, you know, brace your wall either in your garage, kitchen and wherever you have your EV plugged in, and stuff like that. So, yes, we fall under all the guidelines that you know, UL Solutions and NFPA put together for the current fire extinguishers. We fall under all those guidelines as well. So, yeah, all of them come, you know, very well equipped, you know, for any consumer to apply.

Speaker 1 7:16

How much does it cost, like you know? $5,000 for one bottle of this stuff.

Speaker 2 7:21

Yeah, that's what's pretty amazing. So you know the ingredient in, you know the formula. It's an all-natural you know formula. There's no chemicals involved and the reason being for that is because one thing you know being a firefighter, you know, we, you know, through the whole industry, you know and we're just seeing it now, right, because we're, you know, we're seeing a lot of you know firemen, you know, throughout the nation. You know, you know start, you know, popping up with some sort of cancer, you know, and which is pretty unfortunate because we've been using all these agents with chemical base right. So in designing this technology, I didn't need to add any chemical right, because I found the exact you know formula to to extinguish these. You know lithium battery fires, and it's a micro technology as well. So, um, you know, I was able to compose everything of natural ingredients are very inexpensive, which allows me to, you know, have the pricing very inexpensive for the consumer as well.

Speaker 1 8:22

Interesting. Where can you get this stuff?

Speaker 2 8:26

Right now we're online at eFirexcom, wwwefirexcom, and, as I mentioned, we're just rolling out our distribution agreements with major retailers, one of them being Napa Auto Parts. We've met with them. We're actually going to be flying to Atlanta here in August, you know, and signing a deal with them, so you know they're it could be on their shelves all over Napa, all over the nation. And you know current other retailers, as you know, home Depot's, grainger, and you know your fire extinguisher would I need if it caught on fire?

Speaker 2 9:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:16

So if you have a car, I would say either a 2 liter fire extinguisher because you've got to remember the whole point of the extinguisher and this goes for the current extinguishers in the market as well is you have that 30 to 60 second time frame from noticing the fire to grabbing the extinguisher and knocking that fire out and getting it controlled before the fire department gets there, right, we always recommend you know the first thing you should do is call 911.

Speaker 2 9:49

You know, as you notice a fire either be your EV or you know combustible type fire, grab the extinguisher and knock it down right away. You know. The whole point of you know the extinguisher is not to try to fight the fire like firefighters do. Right, we want the public to exit the house, but what this agent is going to do, compared to the current agent in the market, this agent is actually going to activate and put that fire out. You know as you knock it down, your initial knockdown.

Speaker 2 10:19

So a two liter fire extinguisher in your garage will definitely do that job for you. There's plenty of agent in there that if you notice a fire in your EV, you know car, it will knock it down and they'll you know you know a car, it will knock it down and they'll, you know, as you know, deploy all the agent out of that extinguisher and, you know, get out of the house and let the fire department do the rest well, one of the one of the questions that I have for you is that, from my knowledge, most of the batteries for these cars is, generally speaking, under the floorboard.

Speaker 1 10:54

How are you and I can only imagine you just have some sort of a runaway event and under the floorboard, how in the world are you going to get to it?

Speaker 2 11:04

Yeah. So you know, once you notice a fire that's in thermal runaway, it's going to have a breach point. You know it's going to expose itself. You know, because lithium doesn't have, we call it. You know it's going to expose itself. You know, because lithium doesn't have, we call it, you know. You know it doesn't have an incipient phase, right, it doesn't have stages of growth, it's 0 to 3,000 degrees, immediately. You know, your typical ordinary fire is at stages, right, it has your ordinary stage and it grows and needs more oxygen to keep growing. Lithium, man, soon as that thermal runaway and that little white smoke starts, you know, start seeping away within seconds. That flame is going to, you know, penetrate through that plastic or titanium, you know casing.

Speaker 2 11:48

What's beautiful about the agent and the technology? It's a micro technology, meaning if you think of little squares suspended in an agent that's non-water based, these little squares, when they contact heat at a certain amount, which is around 700 degrees, they activate as an accordion. One side of that square will bond with the source and the other component will just act as an accordion and start sucking oxygen out of it. So, as these little squares, if the batteries are not exposed but you notice a big heat source. Just spray it on that casing, because it's going to bond with that casing and it's going to suck and redirect that oxygen from those battery cells to the actual agent itself.

Speaker 2 12:35

And with our testing we've turned. We've tested the agent with titanium plastic you name it metal and it stops, it redirects that heat source to the agent itself and they'll start, you'll see, like a boiling effect on the agent. It's kind of like a cocoon effect. We call it the word that we use in municipalities and what the fire department says, encapsulation. It encapsulates the actual casing of those batteries and it redirects all the heat source to the actual agent itself. So it's pretty incredible. This microtechnology is the future of firefighting, it's the future of agents with no chemicals, no PFAS, no PFOS, and it's pretty exciting to introduce it to the market.

Speaker 1 13:31

Well, I know that when we have these great big, huge chemical plant explosions and ultimately fires here in the Houston area, these great big, huge chemical plant explosions, and ultimately fires here in the Houston area and goodness knows, we've got a whole city just east of us over here that we can see it.

Speaker 1 13:51

I know that once it gets out of control, that they will bring in these great big plastic containers of some sort of firefighting foam, but when they bring it in, it's just in a liquid, and I guess that when they add the water to it is when it it turns into this foam. Yours isn't that particular kind, though, is it?

Speaker 2 14:04

no, and michael, a great, great point there. Because you know one of the things that expand when that foam introduced, when water is introduced to that foam agent, that liquid, the chemical reaction, it's that's the expansion you see, yes, and that's the smothering that you need to correct. Lay out fuel source to cut off the oxygen, right, right, I remove that from the agent itself. So with my agent, with triple e, you're not going to see that expansion anymore. But that layer of you know liquid still going to you know, apply to that fuel source and knock that fire out. And the micro technologies, that's, that's in within that liquid, that's the activation, is already acting within and knocking down the fire and consuming all that heat source and toxins coming out of that. You know those fuel type fires. So it's pretty neat.

Speaker 1 14:56

Yeah, well, going back to the smothering effect of that agent for chemical fires and gasoline-petroleum-related chemicals, that that foam stays on the ground for a long time and you know, especially over there, where all of our chemical plants are mainly concentrated along the Houston Ship Channel. If they get enough of it on there, it's to get this runoff effect into Galveston Bay, down the ship channel and ultimately into the Gulf of Mexico, and I can imagine that's not very good for the environment.

Speaker 2 15:29

Not good at all and that's what we're, you know, experiencing right now throughout the nation actually, nation actually, and actually world. It's, it's, you know these forever chemicals, they call them. You know, they've been, you know, now it's they're finding traces on, you know, water sources, within municipalities, cities, counties. You know, because all this foam stuff that we've been applying, thinking, you know, yeah, it was going to dissipate and you know you, biodegrade within time, has never left right, it's in our water sources, it's everywhere you go.

Speaker 2 16:01

You hear about it now. So that's a big issue, you know, especially with the marine life, you know, because the runway, that's where it's going right, where it's going right, so, um, so, yeah, so I'm pretty excited about this invention here and releasing triple e and e fire x to the industry, because it's something that's very well needed and it's going to, you know, change to the, the way we look at, you know, agents and firefighting and you know, um, it's something that you know also is going to keep up with the times with, you know, technology, with evs, right, and lithium, um, and and, as and as it moves forward.

Speaker 1 16:35

So it's, I'm pretty, you know I would be pumped up about it too. Well, the other thing is is that, uh, I know that there are more and more and more and the public, I don't think, is really aware of it these great big 18 wheelers that are are autonomous, so there's no human being in there and, you know, outside of accidents, I can only imagine if there's some sort of component that goes bad and you start a lithium fire in one of these. Granted, they have things built into these 18 wheelers where they'll pull themselves off to the side of the road, but I can only imagine an 18 wheeler battery in a runaway mode and a firefighter getting out there going. What can I do?

Speaker 2 17:17

yeah, you know, and I'm glad you bring that up because you know, right now we're just seeing cars, right, right, like you're saying you know, and they're pumping out these semi-trucks, 18 wheelers, are pumping out the school buses.

Speaker 2 17:30

So these, you, they're mandated to have a suppression system within the battery casing of these big, you know vehicles. But that suppression system if you could take a wild guess of the performance that it's going to, how effective it's going to work with those lithium batteries, the manufacturer is stating that it's only going to be 30% effective in putting out the initial fire of these, especially in a school bus. Because the school buses you're carrying your kids, you're carrying, you know, commuting them to school, right, and the semi-trucks, 30% is what the manufacturer's saying. So we're really falsifying the public and telling them you know, there's a fire suppression system, you know, on these vehicles, when that suppression system, the manufacturer is telling you it's only effective for 30%, you know. So it's a big eye-opener and you know I'm a big advocate, you know I'm really, you know I call it steering the pot, really, because I want to bring education to not only the public but the city officials, congress and Senate and saying, hey look.

Speaker 1 18:45

You look like one of those radicals from the 1960s. I'm telling you that right now You're just an old hippie. I know I can see that look on your face.

Speaker 3 18:56

He's too young.

Speaker 1 18:58

Jesse, it's great to talk to you. Efirexcom Correct. We're good Listen man what a great interview, very informative. We sure appreciate you joining us today. Best of luck, keep us posted. You got anything new coming out? Let us know.

Speaker 2 19:14

Perfect, thank you guys. Appreciate it and see you guys at the Hot August Nights in Reno Nevada. Take care.

Propeller-Driven Automobiles in History

Speaker 1 19:21

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Speaker 1 21:54

yeah, yeah, yeah, so 938, and so I slipped and complained.

Speaker 3 21:58

Well, no, you were just explaining an experience of your Work environment.

Speaker 1 22:04

Yeah, work environment, propeller, propeller-motivated aircraft yeah, and I have to tell you they really bother me, do they? Yeah, yeah, because after they get out of maintenance, they take it out there in the taxiway and go Wind it up Forever and ever and they never blow up it's amazing.

Speaker 3 22:27

It's like those little rubber band airplanes. I was going to use one of them as a cover on here, but I decided. No's why I send you the.

Speaker 1 22:34

But you have to understand something that wasn't the prop car that you told me that we were going to do.

Speaker 2 22:40

That looks like a prop car?

Speaker 3 22:42

No, that's a propeller car.

Speaker 1 22:44

Here's Jeff, with this week's Inside Jeff's Mind. Close the door, there you go.

Speaker 3 22:49

They're cool except for the blades which could quickly dissect unsuspecting birds, critters or even people. This first one that we see here is a 1932 Helicron. The Helicron was found in a barn in the year 2000. It featured a propeller to help it move.

Speaker 1 23:04

That's exactly like that aircraft out there on the runway I was just telling you about.

Speaker 3 23:08

It's believed to have been abandoned in the late 1930s and underwent a restoration to bring it back to life, why the propellers would have proved to be a real man-eater. At a test in 2016, bystanders would throw sausages into the motion of the blade and let the sausages get all shredded up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:26

Yeah, great.

Speaker 3 23:27

It actually has a Citroen July 4th idea yeah, a Citroen GS flat-four engine in it, and it goes about 75 miles per hour.

Speaker 1 23:34

You're talking about a Citroen. Citroen, yes, one of them.

Speaker 3 23:37

French things. How about this beauty here? It's a 1921 Layett Helica. The 1921 Layett Helica is one of 30 built by Frenchman Marcel Layett. He originally built airplanes before creating the propeller-powered land vehicle. He originally built airplanes before creating the propeller-powered land vehicle. His early thoughts were cars were too heavy and he wanted to create something more lightweight and aerodynamic. This particular one uses a Harley-Davidson V-twin engine 18 horsepower, 1,000 cc and it helps propel the vehicle at a top speed of 106 miles per hour, so I assume that the propeller is in front of the driver.

Speaker 3 24:15

I would assume that, yeah, here's a good one. This one's a Stuttgart Ventimobile Stuttgart Ventimobile. This one is powered. It's a newer propeller operated vehicle. This is one of the newer ones. The propeller acts as a wind turbine and uses moving air to propel the car in the back wheels's. That's kind of a unique design. It's kind of new um this, uh, the vehicle was created by the stuttgart university aerospace get out and push it to get the wind to go through the blade.

Speaker 3 24:45

I don't know, but we need to take it out to uh uh the track next saturday um Stuttgart University aerospace engineer students in 2008 designed it and they went on to win first place in the Elias race of the Dutch town of Dan Helder. So figure that out I remember old Dan.

Speaker 3 25:04

I think he was a musician. This next one is a schlorwagen A. What A schlorwagen, schlorwagen, sklorwagen. A. What A Sklorwagen? Sklorwagen. An automobile is a vision brought to life by a German engineer, karl Sklor. Poor man. The oddly shaped car was designed to be a contender for setting new records in the Autobahn. Sadly, it never got close to living to that dream.

Speaker 1 25:28

Sklor had a lot of it's got a real sour taste to it.

Speaker 3 25:30

I know it's a bit picklish Knowledge of planes and wanted to bring some of that to the tech auto industry. The original concept was built in 1936 and showcased at the 1939 Berlin Auto Show. It was shelved due to the onset of World War II.

Speaker 1 25:47

So if the war hadn't started, you would be seeing these. They would have gone over there and mowed down all those Germans All over the Walmart parking lots around the world.

Speaker 3 25:52

It would have been parked there, all kinds of stuff. Now, the last one is an Argentina aero car. It's a prototype from Argentina that was created in 1953. There are claims that it was able to travel up to 100 miles per hour. There was a time when there was speculation that it would be considered for mass production in the United States, which never happened be considered for mass production in the united states, which never happened. Uh, also, there was rumors, fueled that uh, interest by the chrysler corporation showed in the car that would ultimately meet his demise in 1955. So it was actually a car up until 1955.

Speaker 1 26:26

There you go, propeller driven automobile I have so many thoughts in my mind right now about what to do with the prop cars, prop cars. You know it's interesting. Where did you come up with that idea to do a feature on propeller cars?

Speaker 3 26:43

I just do stuff on the interweb and kind of look for things to do, and that popped up. He does a search for stupid car stuff. Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 26:53

It's interesting.

Speaker 3 26:53

It's funny, there's nothing to complain about. I'm not complaining at all, not since 938.

Speaker 1 26:59

Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 27:02

If folks are just joining us, you need to tune back into the 938 part of the show.

Speaker 1 27:06

Don't do that, catch it on the podcast.

Speaker 3 27:08

Catch it on the podcast later on.

Speaker 2 27:10

Catch it on the podcast.

Speaker 1 27:11

When will the 938 podcast air Mars Thursday Is it Thursday.

Speaker 1 27:17

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