What happens when a relentless drive to create meets the harsh realities of fame and ADHD? Join me as I recount a long journey of friendship, personal growth, and the highs and lows of a career in TV production with Ty Pennington. From the chaotic end of "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" to building a home in Florida, you'll hear how these experiences reshaped his identity and grounded Ty.
Our conversation doesn't shy away from the emotional aspects of life—discussing the paradox of public success and personal loneliness, the bonds with our pets, and the importance of laughter and camaraderie. A severe health scare and the critical support from loved ones highlight the unpredictable twists of life. As we wrap up, we'll hint at exciting future collaborations and adventures, leaving you with warm wishes and a sense of anticipation for what's to come.
What happens when a relentless drive to create meets the harsh realities of fame and ADHD? Join me as I recount a long journey of friendship, personal growth, and the highs and lows of a career in TV production with Ty Pennington. From the chaotic end of "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" to building a home in Florida, you'll hear how these experiences reshaped his identity and grounded Ty.
Our conversation doesn't shy away from the emotional aspects of life—discussing the paradox of public success and personal loneliness, the bonds with our pets, and the importance of laughter and camaraderie. A severe health scare and the critical support from loved ones highlight the unpredictable twists of life. As we wrap up, we'll hint at exciting future collaborations and adventures, leaving you with warm wishes and a sense of anticipation for what's to come.
we did it, we stuck it.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's do it okay. So how? Okay? How long have we known each other? I was trying to figure it out wow, you mean in this life? I don't know I mean like over over a decade. Well, more than that, no, like 15 years. It's been a while, definitely over a decade. Well, more than that. No, like 15 years.
Speaker 2:It's been a while, definitely over a decade, but maybe let's call it 12. Since it's the year of the dragon and it's 12 year cycle, let's call it 12.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. I was with you the last year of the dragon, really In 2012? I'm positive because we were on set. Extreme, oh you're right?
Speaker 2:I think you were, or it was right after that in New York, it doesn't matter, who knows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but what I have seen is, I feel like you're a completely different person now. Would you agree? Yeah, no, I think that you're softer.
Speaker 2:No, I definitely am. Yeah, I mean even the woman who married me. She was like I would not have wanted the man you were and I was like huh, that's good to hear, but I think she's right, I know I actually. Well, here's the thing when you get caught up in the wheel of TV production and and look, there's one thing about people blowing smoke at you, but there's another because I've never been that kind of person who believes any of that I'm like, okay, I'm on a lucky run, let's take advantage of it, but I know it's all smoke and mirrors. But, however, when your life becomes just this tumbling ball of, you just really never have a day off like you love it. But at the same time you're like what is this thing? I'm on, you don't.
Speaker 2:What happens is you roll away from your original personality.
Speaker 2:Because when you're not like in front of a camera, sort of saying lines to be whatever you're supposed to be, which is supposed to be yourself, those years that you used to just hang around and have fun and laugh with your friends and play guitar, that's who you are and the longer you're away from that, do start to to sort of like sort of glide away from the person you actually were or or are and you get caught up in this, this, this title and this name of oh, that's that guy, right?
Speaker 2:So I think it does. It does affect you. I'm sure everybody who's ever had a a moment of fame goes through that. But what is lovely about my little trajectory is that I've had a chance to be away from that for a while and just sort of become me again, because like, we have to do that. Like people don't know that I write songs and I, you know, I I write poetry or what I mean. I just that's not what I. No one cares to know that and I don't care to share it with anyone because they don't need to know.
Speaker 2:But like I think you have to do that and you have to laugh with your mom, who's you know, becoming a senile and wearing diapers, and you're right behind her and you're like, yes, let's get this campaign together, which, yes, I'm going for it, but anyway.
Speaker 1:But wait. So but you were saying like you, after extreme.
Speaker 2:I feel like you took some time off. Well, no, here, what here so extreme ended and immediately I was thrown into uh oh, the talk show the talk show, which was really a cluster, because they didn't really know what they wanted it to be.
Speaker 2:and whenever you're in a situation where somebody doesn't know what they want it to be, it never goes well, because they're like, oh, is it a self-help or is you know topics of the day? And it was this kind of thing that we had to film, as if it wasn't the day we were filming, so we couldn't talk about anything that was current, which I'm like that really narrows it anyway. But I had a lot of fun and we had some laugh and I I got to work with um Tim Gunn, who was like so much fun to make laugh, because when he laughs he just lets go of all his, you know, reserved tenseness and he just bursts out in laughter. It's the most wonderful thing to see him, just just, you know, enjoy, like laughter, but he's such a great guy.
Speaker 1:Okay. So then after that I feel like before HGTV you were sort of taking a break from all of this for a while, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I was still living in California, but I started.
Speaker 2:I decided you know what maybe I do need to sort of get back to I'd been away from, like everybody I knew from Atlanta my family, all of that and so I was like, well, maybe I do take on a project and I was able to work out a deal where I was going to build a house because I found some property in Florida and then I started just building this house and designing this house while I was in California that I was going to have built while I was in Florida, which made it very challenging.
Speaker 2:So I went back and forth quite a bit, but then I built this beautiful house which I'm in now.
Speaker 2:But the point is is like I finally had a chance to build my own home instead of like building this crazy thing in seven days, you know with with other other teams and volunteers and builders that can knock it out in a week or two weeks.
Speaker 2:Well, they actually did it in a week. Of course, this thing took me two years, but I think it was important for me to go through the process of really going through what somebody else actually goes through, instead of doing it on a TV show. So I mean, it turned out to be pretty incredible because I was so meticulous about, like, which direction the wood was going to run, like where the sun was going to be during this part of the day and where all the above, like I really sort of pulled off a Taliesin, if you will, if you study for any good right my own sort of creating. But and it was great and I love it and I thank God I got it right, because you have to look at it every single day and that's when you realize how important it is to get every single detail.
Speaker 1:So during that time you're building your own sanctuary and I know that you and I both agree about your home says a lot about your mental health and just how happy you can be. You even wrote a book about it. So do you feel like you needed to take that time off to sort of ground back into who you are, what you said, that you've lost throughout those years of being on all the shows?
Speaker 2:I don't know if I ever think too deeply about what I needed. Let's face it, I've never thought about what I needed, which is painfully obviously in my, in my personality. But I think, you know, I think the universe works in your favor a lot of the time, and it's and it's because, look, I, I am only happy which I think a lot of people are that way is when you're in a project, and it's because it's, and sometimes it's just the, the beginning stages of that project, which is, you know, the Eureka moment, the ideas, that's the euphoria. That's when you're like, oh, my God, I just had, I just flipped the, the, the direction of how she go, and it's going to be completely different, and like, then you're like, you're ecstatic by the thought of it. Then there's the. You know, the more the the process gets, you know, a little bit more dragged down into how it's done, but it's, it's the, it's going through it. That that's the thrill, you know.
Speaker 2:That's why I think I can't be stagnant, I can't, like, do nothing. It's even though I did see a shrink in New York one time and explained my life and like, oh, I just moved from here and I'm going to be here for like three or whatever I think it depends on how the show works out, or whatever. And the guy goes have you ever thought about doing nothing? And I go, wow, no, I haven't. Of course he's you know, he's got all these Zen Buddhists in his office and he's like you should look into doing nothing.
Speaker 1:At some point I was like, huh, Okay, I'll put that on the list, but yeah, I think I think that's impossible for you, because you've also been very vocal about struggling with ADHD, and so I don't even know if you would have to force yourself to stop.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think, I don't know if that's healthy. Okay, like I'm. I'm. You know my mom is retired and this is a woman who used to write novels. She used to like do dissertations on Aphrodite. You know she used to do these dance troupes with females. They go you know these jerks and just to watch you know her sort of just like, sometimes stare at the television, watch reruns, like it.
Speaker 2:Just it makes me sad inside, like I don't want to go down, I don't want to do nothing and so so. But I do want to change gears and like, maybe take a month and write some songs and see if I I could actually have the talent to write a decent song. It hasn't happened yet, but my point is like, maybe there is like it's just weird, both my dads were musicians, so you think I could at least like like, okay, that, okay, that is a keeper. But anyway, other people have different opinions. I'm, it's like, it's like an artist, right, the only time we like our work is if it looks like somebody else's work and then you're like ah, that's what I'm talking about. But if you think it's garbage, that's the stuff other people like, they're like no, I love that, it's so ugly, it's perfect, getting back to the work, and what made you during this time of you're creating this space?
Speaker 1:you were getting back to creating music, but what made you get really back into TV? Because you came back in like fully. You have like a million shows on HGTV now. But what made you? What happened during that comeback? That comeback or I mean, I don't want to call it a comeback right In LL Cool J, but like okay, this is so funny because it's so funny Cause I had to do Tamra Hall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the producers called and they're like, hey, we want to do, we want you to be on our show, it's about. It's about like getting your life back on track. And I was like, okay, I was like I mean You're like who's the guest? But yeah, yeah, I'm like who's the guest. And they're like, well, you know, you've just been through so much and like you know, but you have, I have. But here's the thing what people don't realize is I actually never stopped working, so like okay, working, so like okay.
Speaker 2:So after the talk show in new york, yeah, tell me, so well, I was living in new york, so I was loving life in new york, you know. And then from there I was doing sort of this man on the street show with I don't know if he was cnn, but it was, uh, something else where I was literally sort of just a man about town doing sort of different talented colleges, talking about america, talking about the different things happening there. I also did a show with Emeril called what's on the Menu, and it was with TNT. It was a great show. I mean, we had like San Diego we had all these big restaurant chains and like it was great. It's basically the beginning of all those food challenge shows.
Speaker 1:But because it was on TNT. It didn't resonate because nobody goes to.
Speaker 2:TNT to watch a food show. They go to food network but I just got to be really good friends with Emeril and it was a great show. But then what else happened? I'm like God I did. Then I did this diner show where we're redoing diners all across. So when people are thinking like I was just sitting like like Luke Skywalker on some Island in the middle of thinking about like what has happened in my life, I would still like I thinking about like what has happened in my life.
Speaker 1:I would still like, I know, I know that you were still working. I know you were still working, but you were pretty vocal about it. A few years ago. I was on social media, like when, yeah, but you were vulnerable about about the company. You were vulnerable about having a low, a little bit. Well, here's why. Here's why Tell me, because here's why I'm asking. I think there's a lot of people who are listening, who are in their own lulls and they feel like they're too old, they've too seen, not seen, don't know anyone. No, you know all the things. So what? What went through your mind to allow you yourself to to feel like like you still, you know, wanted to get out there and show more of Ty.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here's the truth, all right. So when you are on a show like first of all and Trade Spaces was an amazing show because we got to just have fun in people's houses, like they were like, oh my God, there's a carnival party that's coming to our neighborhood. We're going to switch with our families, we're going to laugh hysterically for three and a half days and someone's going to end up in the living room, that sucks, but I don't care because it's going to be so much fun. Right, and that that was amazing.
Speaker 2:But Extreme was a different show. It it was like it just grew into this, like really incredible, real emotional journey, and like it didn't start out that way. But because of the personalities that were on the show, including myself, you started having these really deep conversations with people who'd been through a lot of stuff, and so you realize that, like, what we do as artists and designers like really can change someone's life, it can turn the page and just really give people what they can't do for themselves. And that's when you realize that design really is something that's important to us as a soul, because clutter, not only in real life but also inside you, it just blocks all ability to be happy and so having people in throw everything out and build you like a brand new something and yes, we don't throw it away, we actually put it in storage because I would lose my, my shit too. They'd like what. Yeah, anyway, coming off of a show, that was the stop hitting the table I'm gonna come and put your.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tie your hands behind your back I'll put something that makes so much noise right here. So like extreme, which was like the Mount Everest of home design shows, because not only did we do something that cannot even be done again, which is building a house in seven days, but more importantly, we really changed people's lives and you felt like you really did something, like you had real worth, because because you saw the reaction in their faces. So after doing that, just doing a show where you're flipping a house and making a profit, you're saying, well, I got more money for mine than yours. It just didn't seem to be the same caliber of of satisfaction and so I was like, well, I mean, I enjoy being on television, but like, if there's a great show, that's like a lot of fun to do, that I'll do, but I also love just creating TV. So, yes, I said yes to a couple of shows that were were smaller, but it was just one of those things where I honestly knew that I had to go dormant. Because how can you go from like this, yeah, to then do a show that's like this, just be like just some time, just like it's like creating the best album ever and then coming out with like you know, oh. But then we also made this album. You know, it's like just let it lie, like be as good as your last work was like, and just let it realize you don't, you don't have to continue at that pace, like it's okay to just like know that you, you, you really hit a high level, a watermark that you should be so proud of, but everything else is down here and you got to get back to just being okay with. Okay. Now you can just be talent, you can just be a host and you can just do shows that are competitive, but you can use your personality and your just be a host and you can just do shows that are competitive, but you can use your personality and your voice and still have so much fun that the people you're working with are now getting that same joy that we used to get from doing the show on extreme. Because you become a family when you work with these tv shows, as you know.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, I had to sort of get away from it so that I I became happy again. Here's what happens when you work every single day, every single day Like I think I had 10 days off from the holidays at Christmas you get disconnected from everything that's living in your life, your plants, your pets and whoever's waiting for you at home. And when you lose all of that, you become the loneliest human on the planet and you look for like love and all the wrong places and you get just really lost in life. And I think, Is that what happened to you? I think a little bit. I think I, you know I I could be the most popular person you know on the street, but also the loneliest version. It's like like Tom Petty wrote songs about that, where it's like, yeah, so excited, you guys got to see me, but I have to go and get on a bus and, you know, go to the next town.
Speaker 2:And that's literally what my life was like too.
Speaker 2:Like you, just, you made connections but then they had to be like short lived and so you would start just sort of like vying for attention because you just you didn't really have it in the way that you wanted it, you just had it in a mass, you know, in a mass viewing, right.
Speaker 2:You became actually really lonely and so that's why it was so important to like laugh and take trips with friends whenever you did get a break, because, like I'm, I just love the sound of laughter. It's the best healing medication there is. Laughter is the best, and so, yeah, I think sometimes, when you do have great success in one thing, you have to like sometimes wait for that next wave to come in. You can't just jump to another wave and besides, let's face it, I got really lucky. You don't get, first of all, lightning strikes, usually only one time. For me, it's like struck like two and a half to three times, and that's very rare in television that 15 minutes turns into 15 to 20 years. I mean that's yeah, and so I mean I think what it is, though, is it happened to me later in life that I actually did have the skills and sort of the confidence in myself to be in front of the camera Also, like when I really did need to make something with my hands.
Speaker 2:I knew how to do it because I've been doing it my whole life. So I wasn't a con, because that's the thing that most people are afraid of. They're like, oh God, people are going to see that I'm actually. You know not who I said I was. Especially in this day and age of social media, when you're who you are, then the best part is is you should come further in. Like I wish people saw what I did behind the secret door. You know what kind of rooms I actually made, but nobody else knew because we didn't know it. Like it wasn't part of the show because it was a secret. And so it's crazy because, like I was doing so much stuff behind the scenes but you never saw any of that and I'm like we're missing great content.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so I did see. I mean I was. I I still am so impressed with the level of like. You're an actual artist and I don't think that anybody know sees that your life. But but going back to your life changing like obviously getting getting married, huge, huge shift in your life and you getting sick last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I think is connected. No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2:No, it is Kelly that is not true, thank God. Thank God someone loves me. Because I was like so I can't breathe. So, yeah, the craziest thing was happening. I went to the Barbie premiere out in LA and you know, I'm walking the red carpet trying to look as cool as I can. And then I went to dinner with Kelly that night at the proper downtown and like every time I swallowed I was like what is going on? It was like like swallowing razor blades. My throat had been hurting like for a while, like almost a month, and been really dry. And so the funny thing is she's like well, you know, if you cover your mouth when you sleep, maybe it wouldn't be such a problem. You're like what?
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, let me just tape my mouth shut. Some people do that, yeah, but that wasn't the issue and it's never been the issue. Right, I was like that's why I was like, oh yeah, it was just me breathing. But no, a friend of mine had a daughter who had gone to camp and came back and had this weird like bandage on her neck or whatever, and I didn't think anything about it. And she's putting her hands on you know this lemonade and sugar and then hands me a drink and I have no idea that it's just camp covered in germs and I'm, you know, I'm drinking it down.
Speaker 2:But something happened. It got behind my, my tonsils and all the above and there's, there's this abscess that's happening I had no idea was getting worse every day. So I go to sleep, I'm about to get up and shoot this show, uh, battle on the mountain and all of a sudden, like I could hear wind, like when I'm trying to breathe, I I heard it like closing up like this, and I was like, oh my God, I have to go. So like three in the morning I got up and I drove to this hospital and said, hey, man, y'all need to give me a shot of something that's going to. You know, I'm having an allergic reaction or something. And they're like, okay, well, can we take a look at it? Maybe it's not that. I'm like I don't know what else it would be. I think you should, you know, give me the shot if you can. And so, anyway, they took some pictures and put me in this thing to get an idea of what was happening.
Speaker 2:And then this doctor was like, hey, so look, we got to send you down to Denver and I go, we're in Breckenridge, you don't have what we need right now. And he goes. No, here's the thing. I'm going to shove a tube down your throat and he goes. But to do that, the only thing I can do is like, what if I make an incision? But it goes very wrong? Your artery is right there and if that happens, you're going to bleed out in less than five minutes.
Speaker 2:And I was like god and I was like, hey, can I pee before I go? And he goes. I think I think you're good, I think let's just get to the difference. So, anyway, next thing, I know I wake up and, like you know, they've cut into my throat and all nine yards. But it was much worse than I thought like people are like messaging me, saying, oh my god, my brother died of that. Like you know, like you just don't realize it can just happen that it closes up. I'm like you know you die or it's an infection that just goes so bad that you die from it and so they cut it out. But I'm like what in the hell was all of that?
Speaker 1:Well, that's what my, that's my question to you. What in the hell was all that? Like? What do you think the reason was for that? And have you and be honest, like, have you really did? Did that change you in a way? Or did you? Have you changed the way that you look at your body or respect your body, or no? It's just.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, no, absolutely no. Well, first of all, the other thing about me is people still think what's so funny? Like you know, I had some bad press at one point and let me tell you one bit of bad press lasts a long time, not about like, oh, this guy has helped so many families in the world. It's like you know. Oh, this guy partied one night. Guess what he's like you know. It's like you know png had my news. But what people don't realize is I don't even, I don't even drink anymore, I just it's. It's not that like, I won't, like on the holidays or whatever, cause I love wine, but I just don't. I don't party anymore. Like I don't get out of control to the point that I'm like you know just belligerent, it just hits different.
Speaker 1:Now it hits yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not the sad, it's just not fun, because like I'm fun for 35 minutes but then I'm like out of commission for two days and I'm like that's just not who I want to be.
Speaker 2:No, but no I mean, dude, I like, I, I'm very. I play all kinds of sports and I work out and like look, I'm, I'm not like a spry chicken anymore either. So just the fact that I'm doing that, it's crazy. What is crazy is, like how my friends are looking that are my age. I'm like what the hell is going on? You've got to like people, got to just put down the vices. Man, you can't smoke and drink it. Just you turn into, like it's called, oxidation. People look at an apple, just shave it and leave it on the counter and then realize what aging actually does.
Speaker 1:Ty, you do. You do look amazing for your age. I was having a conversation with somebody yesterday about us in the podcast and I mentioned that you're going to be 60 next year, right? Oh, you had to say it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, no, like I'm going to be like 60 in like a couple of like in the fall.
Speaker 1:So that's okay, well, if it like, sometimes I tell people.
Speaker 2:I'm way older than I am, just so I can hear them say I look great, I'm like I'm 57.
Speaker 1:I'm 80. Yeah, I just think you look, we're fun Every time we work together. It is I'm, I'm, you're like my punching bag. We make fun of each other constantly and we have a good time. But I've also seen you evolve in such a an amazing way that I do feel like you are just I don't know, like you just seem softer, you seem more authentic, you seem more vulnerable, you seem more comfortable in your skin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, here's what it is. I stopped trying to prove that I'm amazing, like I just realized, like, okay, nobody saw the cool things I was doing in my secret room, but you know what I did? Them People that work with me know, like I, I, you just get to a point. It's it's sort of like what cool is is when you stop trying to prove that you are cool, or when you stop trying to prove that you are cool, or when you stop trying to prove that you have a gift or a talent. Then you realize, oh, that's why you're gifted is, you don't have to prove it. And I yeah, I think it's a long time for us like look, when we're young, we're like, look at me, look at me look at me, you know.
Speaker 2:And then eventually you know, luckily for me, I got so much attention and I was like, wow, that's a lot. Everyone sees what you know. So then you're like, but then nobody really sees you like who you, your authentic self. They just see like their version of you. Like this guy is, you know, just a dude who you know is a hunky handyman or whatever. But nobody knew like the layers of like what I can do, whether it's right, but it doesn't matter like I don't have to prove that to anyone because I've lived it like and I think that's what it is.
Speaker 2:It's it's funny. It's like if you read the books, like sit hard to all the above they talk about, like it's the path, it's the journey, that is like the lesson. It's like you have to go through it all to finally get to the point you're like oh right, you and you can't go back and like have a conversation with yourself because you know yourself doesn't want to hear it. They're like hey look old man, that's cool, that's great. But look I, I gotta shred, I gotta go.
Speaker 1:So you keep talking and I'm gonna keep walking, but and I mean, I could say the same thing in my it. For me it was different than the hunky carpenter. I was not that, but in HGTV I felt like I had to be this perfect Martha Stewart-like figure that was, you know, always standing up straight, and you know, my hair was always quaffed and and that's, that's not really who I am. You know me like I curse, like a sailor. I'm really sarcastic, and so does your mom, and so does your mom and so does my mom, but I, you know, once I started not caring as much as pretending to be this perfect person which I'm not. I feel like people have gravitated more towards me, more professionally and personally, because I stopped pretending.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's it. You just can't. You just can't pretend to be somebody else ever, and I've always tried to be like I mean, look, let's face it, even on TV most people are like God, you're just like you are on television. I'm like, well, yeah, I mean because there's a camera in my face and, like you know, I don't I usually don't do studio shows. I'm usually out sweating and dirty like I am in real life and so, like most of the time, it is who I really am.
Speaker 2:But the persona of television like yeah, everyone sort of sees you as a bigger human being than you are. When, truly, like I think that's the beauty of just getting to know someone you can finally let the guard down and and like even today, like when I'm talking to somebody on the phone, I'll raise my voice. I'm like shouting into the phone, like why, like they can hear you, like try that. And the thing with me too is like you just finally get to the point that you're like you get wise enough that you finally start to listen to other people, and that's the lesson. Is that all that time you've been trying to talk and to tell somebody about what you did and what you're doing and blah, blah, blah, blah blah, aka narcissism.
Speaker 2:If you took a moment of silence and just sort of observe what's happening in the room and listen to other people's stories, you'd realize that, well, they've got really cool things going on in their life too, and that your life isn't any more important than theirs, and that you should just listen for a change, because they may be saying something that you never even realized, but when you're younger, you're just like me, me, me, me.
Speaker 2:Like let me tell you about, let me tell you about me, let me tell you, and like it's funny, but it's just it's. It takes the process of living through life and and and honestly, like going through tough, like emotional pain and all the above and finally realizing a lot of things that your parents weren't great either. They had problems like they're, like you can't blame like everything on other people either. Like that's right, it's perfect, like nobody's perfect, have to accept like this is what you were dealt. But look at how far you've come with, like the worst hand ever given. You turned, like you know, really old, moldy lemons into some pretty delicious lemonade.
Speaker 1:I sure did. I went to this retreat last year. I've talked about on the podcast a few times, but it dealt with a lot of like childhood issues and it was the first time, ty I'm 47 years old. It was the first time I realized how young my parents were when they had me in their early twenties and I'm like judging them. Do you know what I was doing in my early twenties? You don't want to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean honestly like what did I do? What did I do? Who's got? It's not on video. It's not on video, Right, Thank God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like listen, ty, I am so thankful for your friendship. I'm so grateful that I got to work with you on many well it's extreme trading spaces and tiebreaker and your show, your talk show I was on. So we've been around the block together and I'm so grateful for your friendship. I'm so happy. You seem so happy. I love Kelly, I love what you've, what you're doing, I love all the shows you're on. I couldn't be more happy for you and thank you for for your time today too.
Speaker 2:And I love my dogs more than anything in the world. Like how did I never like that's the thing that's going to rip my? Oh, my God. It's just like why? Like I've dodged so much emotional attachment my entire life, and then these little dogs come in and like, if they ever pass away, like I'm going to be wrecked.
Speaker 1:We're not going to talk about that. No, no, yeah, no, because my dog, my dog's 15 and she's been with me since she was eight weeks old. Oh my God, yeah, so we're just going to not talk about that, got it.
Speaker 2:Give Kelly my best too. I will, and hopefully we'll. We'll either do a project together or we'll just do a trip, like I have some ideas. I mean, your friends are my friends, we should come to Mexico.
Speaker 1:Tanya's going to be there in July. Come meet us all. Right, maybe I will. That's not a bad idea okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for having me. I'll see you in Mexico.