#232 - Chima Ferguson: Video Parts, NBDs, Sponsorships, and Life Lessons.

Join us this week as we catch up with the iconic Chima Ferguson, who shares about his relentless drive, unique style and approach to life in general.  From the mental and physical challenges of landing "that" switch tre and the ollie over "that" double set at Martin Place, to the camaraderie and technical skill that define his career, Chima offers a raw, unfiltered look into his world. With insights from past guest Ti Coleing, we celebrate Chima's incredible journey and the unwavering bravery it takes to continue pushing boundaries.

We reflect on the experience of raising children during lockdowns, whilst Chima compares life in the United States to that of Australia, highlighting societal issues and the financial challenges that emerged. We explore the resilience required in both skateboarding and life, providing a profound look at how global events reshape our personal and professional lives.

Finally, we journey back to Western Sydney, reminiscing about the freedom of childhood and the evolution of skateboarding crews and sponsorships. From the early days of Globe sponsorships to the lasting partnership with Vans, we trace the highs and lows of Chima's skateboarding career. We touch on the impact of cancel culture, the importance of authentic personal expression, and the satisfaction of achieving long-term goals. Packed with stories of perseverance and growth, this episode captures the essence of what it means to be a skateboarder in today's ever-changing world.
Enjoy,
Shan

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Transcript

Shannon: 0:17

Hey, it's Shan here. This week I catch up with one of the most iconic Australian skateboarders in modern times. It's Chima Ferguson. For me personally, I was just fanning out. I don't fan out often, but I do fan out on Chima. I mean, he's been throwing himself down stuff for like 25 years and still his passion, his love, but also his level of professionalism has just sustained for many years and we really do get to get inside his mind what he thinks about when he is approaching video parts, sponsorship obligations and just the courage to throw himself down big shit.

Shannon: 0:56

To me, chima's this beautiful combination of tech with amazing style and also just finesse in throwing himself down big gaps, and I think he combines it better than anyone. He's just got chemisties. Like you watch him skate, you know you're watching something special every time, and it even comes down to what he chooses to wear and the amount of thought that goes into every single thing he does. He's a seriously inspiring human.

Shannon: 1:26

We had the privilege of doing a full video production this week so we were able to have some of Chima's clips up. And Chima talks us through some of his tricks from his amazing video part that he put out during the COVID lockdowns it was the nice to see you part and he talks us through that double set. He talks us through the switch tray and a few other tricks so you might be surprised at actually what was going on during the process of those things. So I hope you enjoy it. I'm really lucky. This week I was joined by past guest friend and all-around Mr Nice Guy Ty Colling, so it's a great episode and enjoy getting to know Mr Chima Ferguson everybody.

Chima: 2:30

Cheers.

Shannon: 2:31

That double set that you all did? Martin Place, do you feel like that was the pinnacle of you throwing yourself down shit?

Ti : 2:39

I wouldn't say the pinnacle, but it was definitely like the biggest and fastest I've ever gone in my life so you're not done throwing yourself down stuff no yes, keep it going until.

Shannon: 2:51

Yeah, keep it going till when?

Ti : 2:55

I guess till I can't do it anymore. I guess till I don't want to do it anymore when I wake up one day and I'm just like I'm over it, you know yeah gotcha.

Shannon: 3:05

Yeah, because, let's face it, that last part nice to see you. For me personally and I think Ty and I were discussing it the other day it's actually one of my favourite skate parts of all time definitely my favourite Australian skate part of all time and maybe we can get that clip up of the double set first that you all did in Martin Place All right, and you can talk us through the process because I mean, as far as NBDs go, wow let's go.

Chima: 3:33

Yeah, one that a lot of people would have looked at over time, for sure.

Shannon: 3:37

So what have we got up here? Okay, we'll start with the kickflip. Or, yeah, let's start with the kickflip. Leave that one going.

Ti : 3:52

Can we start there? We won't do the double set first. So where was that? What city? So that's? That's probably about 500 meters away from where we are right now. So that's mount carmel school in waterloo, and I think I only did it in 2017, something like that. And for this part, I was like, you know, I'll just go one up myself, I guess, and thought a kickflip would be great, so just went there. It was raining that day, so we had to wait a little while it was freezing cold. It cleared up and I think the first one was fourth try, but if you can see in the footage, my board kind of over flips, so for the photo it didn't really turn out. So for about two hours after that I kept trying to do it and just to get the photo, and then I think I landed two more, but that would just you weren't happy, rocket and weird, yeah, but so the first one worked for the footage, but the other ones were for the photo.

Shannon: 4:46

Gotcha yeah. So how long were you there in total that day?

Ti : 4:49

Probably about like two, two and a half hours. Yeah, so it was a lot. I would count probably like 40, 50 something attempts maybe.

Shannon: 5:00

Wow.

Ti : 5:01

And because the run-up's downhill it's like super hard to kickflip.

Shannon: 5:04

Yeah.

Ti : 5:05

And like get it level, I don't know yeah, that problem.

Shannon: 5:08

I just watching it I felt like I could just see by like your emotions and expressions that it wasn't an easy day at the office, compared to some of the other stuff you've done yeah, well, for to make the first one, like when I landed, rolled away and I was just like, all right, like fourth, try, like we're.

Ti : 5:29

I don't know, it can't be that easy. And then we looked at the photo and I was like, all right, the photo's not going to turn out. So then, that's when all of the rest of it happened. Wow, dude, it's a bit of a. Yeah, you can see it's like a mental breakdown. Yeah, Pretty painful.

Shannon: 5:45

Yeah, like when you're in that space of you know, when you're trying a trick and it's like it's hurting you and you're getting close but you don't know if you're going to land it. You know what mental process do you go through when you're in that yucky space of like oh, I just don't want to throw myself off this one more time.

Ti : 6:07

I don't want to throw myself off this one more time. Um, I don't know, I think when it gets to the point where you've got sketchy attempts, and the breakdown.

Ti : 6:12

Yeah, see, that's like, yeah, completely over it there. But normally you go through like waves where normally when I start trying a trick, I'll get close to it and I'm like, all right, I get in this mindset where I'm like, you know, maybe a couple more tries I'm gonna make it, and then you start to lose it and they start to look really bad. You're not catching it, you're not doing whatever, and then you start to doubt yourself and then maybe you get a second wind, yeah, and you're like, oh, you know, it's just like anything in life.

Shannon: 6:41

You go up and down can we just go back to the make that last one? Can you just scroll back? So was that the one you were happy with this one here? No, I think, is this it. See, so that one's like Was that the one where kind of the board was kind of no so that one's a bit that's the weird one, so that would have been See I landed.

Ti : 7:06

I board was kind of no, so that one's a bit that's the weird one. So that would have been see I landed I didn't go straight the whole, like the first one was just you weren't taking it yeah, the first one was perfect, besides what the photo looked like, because my board was over flipped. It was yeah, I wish if the photo turned out. I would have walked away from there that day with four attempts and that would have been great. But yeah, need the photo. You need the photo.

Shannon: 7:32

How much pressure do you feel from your sponsors to produce footage and content?

Ti : 7:39

Not too much, to be honest. Like I think I do it at a good rate. Like every three years I do a video part. I do stuff on Instagram all the time, but instead of putting out more video parts and more content, I'd rather do something like this where I plan it all out trick selection, do it the way it should be done.

Shannon: 8:03

So it's just quality over quantity, basically, yeah yeah, we were talking about that this morning, steve and I. So what was the gap between that video part and your last one? So your last part was propeller was it before?

Ti : 8:15

this one was it a real part I did spinning away for vans and that was 2018, so that would have been three years yeah and then before that there was like a real part, and then before that was propeller, which was 2015 gotcha. So I'm probably about due to start doing something or to put something out how long did it take your body to recover from filming that part?

Shannon: 8:43

Because, let's face it, it wasn't too bad.

Ti : 8:48

So for Nice To See you, that's probably like the fittest I've ever been in my life. Like before going and doing majority of those tricks, I'd like practice the trick throughout the week and then also do strength training and all that type of stuff.

Shannon: 9:02

Yeah, you do do that. I wasn't sure if you're one of those guys.

Ti : 9:05

Yeah, you do do that. I wasn't sure if you're one of those guys. Yeah, so I don't go to a gym or anything, I just work out at home. So I haven't been skating as much lately, so I'm not working out Gotcha. But when the job needs doing then I get back in the rhythm of it.

Shannon: 9:18

Dude professional.

Ti : 9:20

Yeah, that's what professionals do.

Shannon: 9:21

Yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what professionals do.

Ti : 9:26

yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good for kids to hear this man, yeah, it just doesn't happen, right? Yeah, I mean I don't post my workouts on instagram because I'm not personally like that into that, but I mean if anyone was to hit me up and ask me, I'd be open to talk about it.

Chima: 9:37

They're sick man, I love that dude do you do cold plunge, recovery sort of stuff as well?

Ti : 9:45

Not religiously Like, for example, on a day like that, like after trying that kickflip, I would definitely jump in an ice bath, but not like a daily routine.

Chima: 9:57

Yeah, I'm all meant for direct recovery.

Ti : 10:00

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

Shannon: 10:01

Specific things for sure for sure. Copy that yeah.

Chima: 10:05

Speaking of video parts, I most definitely Specific things for sure, for sure, clapping that. Yeah, speaking of video parts, I heard a rumour I'm not sure if it was for Nice to See you or Propeller that you'd actually finished your part like a couple of years before deadline. Is there any truth to that?

Shannon: 10:21

Tie with the scoop.

Ti : 10:24

The Nice to see it was definitely finished Before the deadline Because it was originally Supposed to be September 2021, and then it ended up Going out in like October, november, maybe November or something like that, but no, I would say Most video parts have always just gone right up to yeah right, vicious, deadly rumor, then yeah, yeah.

Chima: 10:50

You'd finish and then, like everyone else, had to catch up. You were just chilling.

Ti : 10:54

Oh no, no, I don't think anything like that. I think it was more yeah.

Shannon: 10:57

Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm one of you when we're communicating through DMs on Instagram. In one of your comments you're like oh, I don't linger on Instagram too much, yeah. You know, in the advent of modern-day skateboarding and people, especially skaters, promoting themselves that way, yeah, how do you feel about it and where are you at with it?

Ti : 11:19

It's like a love-hate relationship where it's convenient Like, for example, I liveralia now and if you want to keep yourself relevant, I guess you can always just go on your phone, post something and then everyone in the world knows about it. But at the same time it also takes away from the quality of what you put out and the perception people have of you. It can be like the best of both worlds. If you're into it and you're good at it, great. But then for other skaters it's I don't know, but it's like that for all walks of life. You know it's really taken for music, for absolutely anything. It's just like to stay relevant. You're just putting whatever you can out, just so people can see it.

Shannon: 12:10

Yeah.

Chima: 12:10

It's a tricky one. Do you have self-imposed parameters of what you will put up? What's acceptable? Oh yeah, definitely.

Ti : 12:20

Yeah, yeah, like I'm not going like name any names or name and shame anyone that does these things, but for me personally, some things that people put online are just it's a bit cheesy, I don't know.

Chima: 12:33

But that's just my yeah, how I feel about it. Yeah, so can you name any specific parameters that you kind of do have?

Shannon: 12:40

He doesn't do workout vids.

Chima: 12:42

Yeah, I mean.

Ti : 12:44

I think it's interesting, like for some people like I see some skaters online that will post their workouts and I'm like, well, I'm going to try that myself and so I'm not hating on them for doing that. But I think not necessarily like posting a video talking to the camera. Not all of it is cheesy, but some people that it's just living the entire Instagram lifestyle on a daily basis, showing everything they're doing, is just for me personally, not into that.

Shannon: 13:17

Yeah, but in terms of sustaining a career, you know, I often think if it's your bread and butter and you're supporting families, you know I often think, if it's your bread and butter and your supporting families, you know, is there that pressure to do it? And then I see someone like Wes Kramer, who has no social media, seems to do it. I think maybe people like you and him, such rare talents, might be able to get away with it. What do you think?

Ti : 13:42

Well, I mean, he just got kicked off DC because he didn't have Instagram.

Shannon: 13:47

I didn't know that. Yeah, okay.

Ti : 13:50

I would say the one person that does it is Jake Johnson.

Shannon: 13:53

Yeah.

Ti : 13:53

He has his own like it's not his, but someone started a hashtag for him and everyone just tags that every time there's footage. I think he's such a unique skater that he doesn't need to have an instagram. To be honest, yeah, but um, I mean, yeah, look, I don't hate it, it's convenient, but yeah, I don't like sitting on there too much. It's an overload of information, it's I don't know.

Shannon: 14:20

I don't think it's good for your brain do you think it impacts on your time with your child? Yeah, definitely.

Ti : 14:30

I mean like I'll wake up and check Instagram and do all that type of stuff every so often, but if I'm with the family I try to just put my phone down.

Shannon: 14:34

Yeah, sick.

Ti : 14:35

And like live a real moment.

Shannon: 14:37

Yeah, where are you at with parenting? How are you finding?

Ti : 14:39

it. It's amazing, it's different every single day, it's different every single year. Very early on, my wife and I like our daughter was such an easy baby she slept, she didn't cry much, she ate, whatever and we're like, oh wow, we've like got it, we've got it down. This is going to be amazing, it's so easy. And then three, four years old, five years old there's going to be amazing, it's so easy. And then three, four years old, five years old, there's all different types of battles that you go through every day.

Shannon: 15:10

So, yeah, yeah, don't ever think that you have it on lock, because you don't yeah, if you don't mind me prying a little bit, has it um redefined your relationship with your partner?

Ti : 15:23

uh, yeah, definitely there's. Is that evolving as well? Yeah, always, because you have the times where you're up and they're down, or vice versa, and then your roles that you take on and all those types of things. So it's all about finding a way to make it all work and to like coexist with the madness that is parenting yeah, yeah, especially when you don't have, like a regular job yeah, exactly so.

Ti : 15:53

I think for our daughter, especially because she was. She was about a year old when covid kicked in, and before that there was the bushfires, so we were just at home for a very long time. So she's grown up with both of her parents around all the time, so she has an idea of how she thinks life should be, which is always having the attention of both your parents. But you know, majority of kids don't get that yeah, how old is she? She's almost five and a half now.

Shannon: 16:24

Yeah, yeah because that there's some pretty integral learning happening in those early years and it was covered.

Ti : 16:30

Lockdowns like yeah yeah, what if that was like a benefit, like a blessing in disguise, in terms of I think from what I got from most parents, some kids did better being at home and having their parents teach them, and then other ones it was completely a failure. You know, stressful, yeah, yeah, but yeah, just her immunity during that time because she was just at home with us. When she finally went to daycare it was just like every week there was something for like a year and a half and now she's good.

Ti : 17:01

but yeah, and all the other parents I know went through the same thing, so it was a crazy time oh well, yeah, further and further away from that yeah, well, the remnants of it, like everyone kind of forgot what it was like during that time.

Ti : 17:17

but I think financially, what we're seeing, and what you will see for a very long time, is a lot of businesses lost a lot of money during that time, and then the government also gave out a lot of money. So we don't even know what the true cost of COVID was yet. I don't think you want to know. No, I said this years ago.

Shannon: 17:37

I was like they can't be, like we're going to pay at some stage, Like they can't be giving out all this money Like, and I think it is starting to slowly happen cost of living so high, taxes are so high yeah and I just feel I don't know if you feel it as well, but a lot of people I know are just so stressed right now yeah, I mean it's very like uncertain time, um like wars and things going on, um I don't know what can you do it's all out of our control.

Ti : 18:05

You never really get to choose anything, is that how?

Shannon: 18:07

you? Is that a philosophy you hold close to your heart?

Ti : 18:11

yeah, pretty much I mean, I think, regardless of like what, who you vote for or what you try to do, you're always going to end up getting shit on basically.

Shannon: 18:25

In this country.

Ti : 18:26

I think anywhere you live in the world, comparatively, to living in the States. Oh, definitely I'm not complaining about my life here. It's amazing.

Shannon: 18:34

Yeah, but if you had, to draw comparisons between living there and living here. What are the biggest things you notice in terms of quality of life?

Ti : 18:43

Well, especially since COVID, like, the poverty over there is insane. The drug epidemic is crazy. Yeah, the I don't know. It's different though, because it's like what you see on Instagram or social media about the border being open and all that kind of stuff makes it look really intense. But then I was there probably a month and a half ago and it seemed all right. But I went there in 2022 and LA was by far like the worst I'd ever seen it. It was scary.

Ti : 19:19

After all the years of going back and forth, yeah, just because that was the first time I went back after COVID. Yeah, and it was like third world countries. All the tense cities happening the tense and just like open drug use was next level and the stories I had about people getting guns poured on them and robbed and normally those things would happen in certain areas but it was just like it could happen anywhere. Yeah, Like no matter where you were in LA.

Shannon: 19:50

Good area, bad area, yeah, yeah, so how did you feel when you were street skating?

Ti : 19:54

Street skating was fine. It was more or less. Being out at nighttime Okay, when you know you're going to walk a block to your hotel or something like that and someone will run up on you, you know, wow, yeah.

Shannon: 20:07

Did you have those same feelings growing up in Villawood?

Ti : 20:11

Not necessarily because I grew up there so I knew all the people. Yeah, it was more. So you would get trouble if you went to an area that you weren't familiar with. Yeah, right, or the people weren't familiar with you.

Shannon: 20:23

Yeah, yeah, because you were just ingrained and entrenched in it yeah, and then also it happens everywhere in the world.

Ti : 20:30

Like a lot of the time when you're skating, people don't really mess like fuck around with you why do you think that is?

Shannon: 20:35

it's because, like, it's hard to hit a moving target, because skaters are always moving around.

Ti : 20:39

It's like, it's like no, I think it's just like people have a good idea that you're. I think when cops see you they're like a lot of the time they'll be like as long as you're not graffitiing whatever, because they still draw those parallels. But I've been in sketchy places in the States and people are just like amazed by skating.

Shannon: 20:59

Yeah.

Ti : 21:00

And they're just like you're just doing your thing.

Chima: 21:02

Yeah, yeah, I think usually in a bit of a group too when you're skating.

Ti : 21:06

It's not like you're just full soloing as such no definitely.

Shannon: 21:11

I just also think it's because they're like you're literally part of the urban environment, like no one else is using the urban environment like you. Yeah, and people are like, oh, they're really part of that. I'm just going to leave them. I don't know.

Ti : 21:22

Yeah, people are normally like you could go to a sketchy zone, especially in the States, and you'd be far worse off if you didn't have a skateboard with you, because people would be wondering what you're doing, especially if you're black over there. But if you've got a skateboard with you, people ask less questions. They're just like oh, you're just doing your skate thing.

Shannon: 21:46

Yeah, yeah. Do you reflect on your time growing up in Western Sydney with? If you had to like, stand back and reflect on that time from like 0 to 15, like what's your overriding feeling about your childhood in that?

Ti : 22:05

area. Look, I saw a lot of like sketchy things happen and it's weird what you're desensitized to when you speak to people that didn't see similar things. But, to be honest, it was like a great place to grow up and, at my age, like a good place to get out of at my age like a good place to get out of Okay.

Ti : 22:30

So you grow up with a certain idea of how life should be and the people that you grow up around, and it teaches you a lot and then if you get the chance, you move on and you take that with you. It kind of humbles you in a sense.

Shannon: 22:40

Yeah, dude.

Chima: 22:41

Yeah, what were, like, the positive things that you could attribute to growing up?

Ti : 22:47

there, uh, just being able to like do whatever you want really, because, like my daughter and her friends, we all live in redfern and you can't just let your kids go out onto the street and do whatever they want. Yeah, but back mean, just because of the space that Villawood had, you could kind of like ride your bikes around the neighbourhood know cars were around, ride your motorbikes like I don't know.

Chima: 23:16

Do you think that may be an era in time sort of thing? Like, have you been back there recently to see if it's changed or not? Because I feel I had a lot of freedom when I was young. I mean, I lived in the, you know, eastern suburbs and stuff yeah yeah, instantly that, but that I think that was still pretty much an era in time, yeah, like go, get public transport whatever, go and do whatever when I was super young.

Ti : 23:38

You know, I think, yeah, I think that's definitely part of it as well. I don't know what has changed in society, but it seems like, yeah, you don't want your kids catching the bus or even putting them on social media.

Chima: 23:54

All of it's like so sketchy, it's weird. Well, that's such a new phenomenon, relatively speaking, for sure.

Shannon: 24:00

So hard to manage, because even if you don't, because my daughter's nine, even if you don't let them have social media, their friends have it now.

Ti : 24:09

And so, when you're not, with them.

Shannon: 24:10

Their friends are showing them stuff. Yeah, some of the stuff that pops up on TikTok is yeah, it's unbelievable. How do you protect them from that?

Ti : 24:18

Yeah. It's crazy, eh, yeah it's a brand new thing, so you don't, I don't know how to do that or how I'm going to do it.

Shannon: 24:26

You're half Nigerian, yeah, yeah, and I'm going to speak from my own experience. I grew up on the south coast of New South Wales, a place called Nauru, a low socioeconomic area. I grew up in a single parent household and I'm half Maltese so. I sort of had darker features.

Ti : 24:41

Yeah.

Shannon: 24:45

And in my earlier years there was no one with sort of the same features as me. Yeah, yeah, so I did get called like racial slurs a lot most of my life, yeah and with my surname as well, which is a maltese surname. Yeah, did you have experiences, or have you had experiences similar throughout the course of your early years, or not really?

Ti : 25:04

I mean not in a really negative way Like where I grew up. Villawood was basically a melting pot of any race that you could imagine. So growing up, especially in Australia, all of us I don't want to get cancelled for this, but kind of made fun of each other for all of our stereotypes. So it was never calling someone out or calling them a slur to try to offend them. It was more, just like we're all different, so let's just make fun of it.

Chima: 25:38

It was funny, easily identifiable in a sense sorts of things. And I think that's always been a part of the social dynamics somewhat.

Ti : 25:49

Yeah, absolutely, it's just, I think, everyone. If everyone was a little less sensitive and you just kind of made fun of each other for the differences that we all have, then yeah.

Shannon: 26:01

It's funny that you just started with like I don't want to get cancelled for this, and Steve Tooney and I were talking about it yesterday. There's just such a fear of cancelled culture and I'm changing trajectory a little bit here, yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 26:11

And you know, in skateboarding in recent years we've lost some really big characters, like big outspoken personalities and characters, and we're sort of saying how we feel like skateboarding is becoming a bit more sanitized and diluted because there's less outspoken people. Yeah, and when there's money involved, people are scared of being cancelled because it's going to affect them financially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and what do you think of that?

Ti : 26:38

I mean I guess you see it everywhere. It's like in the music. It's like in the music. It's on everything and with cancel culture I don't think it's about. You're basically just trying to erase something, so something someone said, instead of talking to them on why that might be wrong, or giving someone your different opinion on something. It's like you said something that I don't like or we all don't like, so we're just going to shun you and send you away when it's like you should keep the conversation open and talk about why this person feels that way and why your opinion's this way, Because if you just erase every bad thing from history, then you can never look back and realize why you want it to be better and why things should be the way that they are.

Shannon: 27:30

I reckon that breeds empathy and understanding. Trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes, and I really do believe, like your enemies are your greatest teachers as well. Yeah, absolutely.

Ti : 27:41

Everyone's got like a lot to learn from one another.

Shannon: 27:44

Yeah, otherwise it just keeps creating echo chambers and that's actually to get to a little bit deeper. I think that's the breakdown of like democracy and social discourse.

Chima: 27:56

Yeah yeah, which is what democracy is kind of meant to be about yeah, being able to have differing points of view and everyone sort of coming together. But yeah, that's why you have voting right, because you differ in opinions and things exactly even though that's obviously very, in a sense, black and white. As such, yeah, like because it's either you vote for them or you vote for them. It's not like you've got a massive pool to go from.

Ti : 28:20

Yeah, I think now you see it in the States as well, where it's Democrats and Republicans and no one, even people that I know like the two of them can't be friends. You can't be like, all right. Well, I voted for Donald Trump and you voted for Joe Biden, but even though I don't agree with his politics, I can still be a friend.

Chima: 28:44

But it's like you voted for him, so that's it, and that's a counselling as such, which is crazy stuff for sure. Yeah, it's so true.

Shannon: 28:54

But I find it's funny, like the, the language and the terminology that has grown out of it. So if someone is saying something that's making you uneasy or you disagree with, then it's like you're spreading hate speech you know yeah it's all this way of just oppressing others constantly, or oppressing those that you know are dangerous to our own ideology. Yeah, and I guess the States really is like a full-on manifestation of that, you know it feels like.

Ti : 29:23

anyway, it's extremes all over that country.

Shannon: 29:25

Yeah, do you miss living there?

Ti : 29:28

No, okay, no, I still like I enjoy going there and seeing my friends and everything like that, but for everyday life it just wasn't for me.

Shannon: 29:40

Yeah lifestyle and.

Ti : 29:42

Australia is just like fantastic yeah.

Shannon: 29:45

How do you feel about the advent of all these amazing skate parks in Sydney?

Ti : 29:51

Oh, it's great.

Shannon: 29:52

Dude like. Did you ever think you'd see it in your lifetime?

Ti : 29:56

I think, yeah, in sydney. Oh, it's great, dude, like, did you ever think you'd see it in your lifetime? Uh, I think, yeah, I mean at some point like melbourne, it seems like melbourne has always gotten more parks than we get, but I think that also has to do with, like there's more space, real estate is cheaper, um, but yeah, it's great that sydney's getting all, and I think it's got a lot to do with the Olympics, trying to get kids into skating and things like that. So 100%.

Chima: 30:20

We're laughing because we talk about it all the time, love it or hate it, right?

Ti : 30:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good for everyone though.

Shannon: 30:26

It's so good. The options are just insane. Yeah, and also just the first time I seen like granite ledges at a skate park.

Ti : 30:35

I just was like that was something I never thought I'd see at a skate park, like maybe a concrete park, really starting to like switch it up and put a good amount of effort into it. So good eh yeah.

Shannon: 30:44

Yeah, so sick. Hey, listen, let's get another clip up. I don't know. I'll just let you cue whatever's up and we'll have a chat and uh, chairman can break it down for us. Here we go, what have we got? What's the next clip? Oh, this one. So let's have a look. Where was this?

Ti : 31:02

for those that are unaware, so this is in campbell town, which is like uh, way out in the suburb southwest sydney basically, and my friend was doing a bit of like tradie work out there and sent me a photo of it. That was him that just chucked lee the beer up there. Um logo found this spot. So yeah, he was doing work out there and sent me this and I was like, wow, it's like an amazing spot. So we just went out there and it just happened to be like a 40-degree day.

Ti : 31:33

Oh right and yeah, this probably took like two hours or something. It's the only board slide or the only kink rail that I've ever board slid first and last and you can't see it in the footage, but you actually have to Actually last yeah.

Shannon: 31:50

You just did not enjoy. It.

Ti : 31:53

Last so far, I mean, I haven't found another one that I want to board slide.

Shannon: 31:56

Okay, is that the same shirt? No, that's a Slayer shirt. That's a Slayer shirt.

Ti : 32:03

Yeah, yeah. But you know, with this one it was super safe because there's just grass on one side. So if there was stairs on the other side, I don't know if I would have done it. But yeah, First board, slide on a kink rail.

Shannon: 32:17

Yeah, so have you ever? I mean, how often do you turn up to like a rail like this, or a gap or a set of stairs, and you get there and you've organized photographers and filmers and you get there and, just without saying it, in the back of your mind you're like, yeah, I don't know if I can do this. Does that happen often?

Ti : 32:36

I mean it happens, but normally, like I mean, if I've never seen the spot before, you never know what it might look like when you get there.

Shannon: 32:45

Yeah.

Ti : 32:46

But I would say, a good amount of the times you just, yeah, you have to do it, and especially throughout the whole filming of this video part have to do it, and especially throughout the whole filming of this video part. It was just me lee bolton, colin evans uh, sam cody or dave carmy would come out and dave has kids. Colin works nine to five, lee works nine to five and lee has two kids as well, so you'd normally get one day on the weekend. So if you're going to bring everybody out, you got to do your thing, not waste their time and like, yeah, get it done, you know?

Ti : 33:21

so there was professional, very professional skateboarder yeah, it wasn't like it used to be, where you're just with your mates and you can wear whatever everyone's time yeah, in every session there would be no one else, there'd be no other skaters there, it was just the photographers, filmers and then me. So you just go do your thing and then go back home again. Then you wait till next weekend, when you have one day, and then you do it all over again.

Shannon: 33:47

So for this particular rail, how did you start tinkering with it? How many times do you think you rolled up to it before you even?

Chima: 33:54

and was there a warm-up, something else before you came there?

Ti : 33:59

no, I just went straight. I normally like to just go straight to it and just like get right into it. But, um, I mean you can kind of see in the footage there's like the grass on one side. So it's just starting on the down bit, jumping over onto the grass and then slowly getting more and more comfortable and then eventually standing right over it.

Shannon: 34:20

Yeah, so was that in the back of your mind like, okay, I'm gonna bail into the grass? Were you worried about that pole at the bottom.

Ti : 34:26

Yeah, so when you got right to the end you can see there's like a little bike rack on the left. Yeah, so there was always that in the back of my mind, or just like kind of sacking it as well, but that never happened.

Shannon: 34:39

Were you sort of bummed you had to like when you landed it you did go onto the grass. Were you hoping that you could swerve and stay on the concrete like on the path?

Ti : 34:47

No, because it was like a good amount of concrete before the grass. So you know, like when you land and you roll, that it's a make.

Shannon: 34:55

It Before the grass. So you know, like when you land and you roll that it's a make. It felt like a make. Yeah, yeah, it was a make.

Ti : 34:58

Yeah, yeah, because I hate those spots where you roll away and you're like oh, maybe you might have fallen off, or this or that I like it to look solid. Yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 35:09

I guess because you did go on the grass and keep rolling. That's the make. Yeah, as I was watching, I was just thinking about Chris Jocelyn's tray flip at El Toro.

Ti : 35:18

Yeah, I was watching that the other day. I personally I count that as a make, because his truck or something broke right. Well it bent.

Shannon: 35:28

So the try before he stomped it and slightly bent his truck.

Ti : 35:34

Yeah, because you can see he's rolling away and then something, the board just decides to go the other way. So it's like he did make it, but his truck was bent. Now I guess, yeah, and that sucks because it is legit, but then you can't really use the footage. I don't know, it's a gray area I would count it as a make, though, because he absolutely was going to roll away, but his truck was messed up.

Shannon: 35:58

I agree. What do you think Ty Did he make it?

Chima: 36:01

I could go for that for sure. It was such a like looking at it going, you fully got robbed.

Shannon: 36:07

It was a robbery.

Ti : 36:09

Yeah, basically like a proper yeah, but he's also, he starts rolling, and then you can see it suddenly just Just swerves in his fears.

Chima: 36:19

Yeah.

Shannon: 36:20

I felt so bad for him. Because hasn't El Toro changed? Now They've put a gate up the top or they've put skate stoppers.

Ti : 36:27

I'm not sure it's not skatable anymore apparently.

Shannon: 36:29

So, he's like that opportunity is just gone now.

Chima: 36:33

One that got away.

Shannon: 36:34

Skateboarding is so tenuous like that. Yeah, wow, man, yeah. So I want to just go through a bit of a chronology of your life. Like I said, your life has been well documented over the years and you know you did do an Epically Lated, which is probably one of the most thorough documentations and most sort of premium level documentations in my opinion. But, um, you know. So your life in villa wood, like, how old were you when you started venturing into the city?

Ti : 37:02

uh, I would have been about I think like 10 10 years old, 10, maybe 9 or 10 when my brother was allowed to take me, and then 12 or 13 when I could go by myself.

Shannon: 37:15

All right, so your brother would take you in. Yeah, yeah, sick yeah. And is that when you just started meeting friends or did that sort of come in your teen years more.

Ti : 37:24

Back then it was just like the older, like skate crew. Give me some names. It would be like Steve, teenyael, davidson, dean armor, mick, ewan, tizo, uh, gibbo, just that whole city crew, and they were all a bit older than me. So, um, kind of got introduced to them first and then, when I was old enough to catch the train by myself, you would kind of meet all the other like skate kids, yeah. So like Dane and Get Rad and like everyone from back then, sick.

Shannon: 38:00

Yeah, so legendary.

Ti : 38:02

Yeah.

Shannon: 38:02

I actually went skating with Dean Armour at Glebe a few months back and I mean he just loves, I mean everyone still loves skating. Oh God, he loves skating.

Ti : 38:12

Yeah, yeah, like a door to it, that's awesome, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a dozen, that's awesome, yeah, yeah and it's really inspiring to be around.

Shannon: 38:18

Yeah, but oh yeah. So, like you know, I think of you, know the way I've envisioned you because I am a bit older. You know I remember the original pit crew, the original amphitheater, you know with the first pit.

Shannon: 38:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah and you know I have and I was never really part of that crew or anything. But I'd venture into the city from now on and see like the same heads, like Davo and Sid Tapia and Steve and Phil Mackie and sorry if there's anyone else I forgot, but it was such a profound little time. Then they demolished it and they had like the new pit with the four block.

Ti : 38:51

Yeah, yeah, and I kind of see you as like one of that, like in that crew?

Shannon: 38:59

yeah, definitely, like you guys were that new pit crew.

Ti : 39:01

Yeah, yeah. So like the, the old one, I skated probably a couple times yeah but it seems like there was a huge like, what would you call it like a generational change, when, like, modern place was redone, even though the same people were still around, it was like a whole new group of kids came about. Yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 39:22

I wonder if it's like because you know how you like to throw yourself down stuff. Do you think that pit was responsible for inspiring you on that journey?

Ti : 39:32

I think it was just because when I started skating I was like eight or nine and for a kid that size I couldn't do anything on flat right. So everything I would learn I would learn downstairs, because you have the time to wait for the board to flip and everything so you have the strength, yeah exactly, and the boards were too big and everything. So you just figure it out, down stuff yeah so yeah, that's, I would say, that's how that all started sick yeah, and let's talk, let's go into your first sponsor yeah, so that was globe.

Ti : 40:08

I got sponsored at a skate contest in marylands and that would have been like 1999 or 2000, maybe I can't remember. Um, I signed a contract for one pair of shoes every three months, whoa. And yeah, that went on for a long time. And I remember one time asking them, I was like I had ripped shoes and I was like, do you think you have like any money like you could hook me up like an extra pair of shoes? And I'm like no, we don't whatever. And I was like do you think you have any money Like you could hook me up like an extra pair of shoes? And they were like no, we don't whatever. And as a kid I believed it before, knowing you know how much money especially how much money they had then. And then 99 Degrees Skate Shop, and then Juice Clothing yeah, with Aaron Jenkins. And then juice clothing yeah, with aaron jenkins. And then juice. And then aaron got me on s and then world industries yep through like hardcore or whatever. And I was with them for like a year before I got on Real.

Shannon: 41:14

Wow Got the full.

Ti : 41:16

Yeah, that's great, thank you. And then after that I got kicked off S and then started writing for Vans. Can I ask why? So back in the day, I used to like go on the skate parks forums. I remember being in the I think it was in the chat room and someone had asked me about like Soul Technology's G2 system, which is like the technology and the soul or whatever, and someone asked me if it was good and I was like, oh, it's like not that great or whatever, and I didn't think anything of it because I was like a 13-year-old kid.

Ti : 41:56

And then I think I went to call Andrew Curry to get some shoes and he was like they're not happy with what you said. They've put all this money into it. And I was just like, oh sorry, like I didn't think anything of it. And he was like you're off the team mate, like it's done. And I was just like, fuck, all right. And then a couple of months Not particularly no, because a couple of months before that, scott Gibson was doing Vans at the time and he had hit me up and been like why don't you ride for Vans? And this is back when, like Vans wasn't what it was now, like that was still kind of coming back up from. It was when Jeff was just starting to wear Authentics and, you know, making like the thin shoes cool again. So yeah, the same day they got kicked off. S I called Scott Gibson and was like is the office still standing with Vans? And then got on Vans the same day.

Shannon: 42:57

Oh yeah, been on them ever since.

Ti : 42:59

And been on them ever since, and that was like almost 20 years ago.

Shannon: 43:03

So do they only give you one pair of shoes every three months as well?

Ti : 43:06

No, definitely not yeah.

Shannon: 43:11

How many pairs of shoes? Come on, we need to know how many pairs of shoes do you get a month. Oh, how many pairs of shoes did you get?

Ti : 43:15

Come on, we need to know how many pairs of shoes did you get? A?

Shannon: 43:16

month. Oh, I mean, I guess I could get as it was, just on demand.

Ti : 43:18

I guess I could get as many as I want, but I think my daughter's probably getting the most shoes because she's like growing through so many of them.

Shannon: 43:27

Yeah, yeah, and I've just seen like a lot of your parts.

Ti : 43:40

Like you, like the half cabs? Yeah, I mean during, it was probably like 2005 to 2011. That was like the half cab time for me, half cab time, and then it was Authentics Skate highs and then my shoes and then skate highs in old schools. Okay, yeah, all right.

Chima: 43:54

When I had more ankle problems.

Ti : 43:55

I started going with skate highs, high tops.

Shannon: 43:59

And definitely like do you need that cushion in the sole?

Ti : 44:03

No, so I skate the original ones. I don't skate the pros.

Shannon: 44:06

See, that's mind-blowing to me, because I thought like you must want some sort of cushion in your sole when you're throwing yourself.

Ti : 44:12

No, I like it to be like as thin as it can be. I think throughout the years I've like really conditioned my feet to to take it, because for a good five years I skated in authentics, yeah, which are like the thinnest vans, and they were just the classic ones as well yeah, right, yeah and I even I put those on now and walk around in them and I'm like I don't know how I ever skated around in those shoes.

Shannon: 44:38

It's crazy funny. Yeah, yeah, do you think that kickflip at cook philip park 17 yeah is your breakthrough moment, and that's what has propelled you to where you are now uh I wouldn't happen before that I wouldn't say that trick in particular, but definitely that whole kill self video part.

Ti : 44:58

Yeah, because before I can't remember if I'd already done the kickflip yet, but I sent like a rough copy of my part to deluxe in the end of 2004. So that's how I got on Deluxe. And then, yeah, I guess at the same time I'd switched all my sponsors and everything, and then that Kill Self part came out and then from there it really propelled me. So I wouldn't say that trick in particular, but definitely the video part.

Shannon: 45:30

Yeah, because in the Kill Self part you do a line where I think you do like a kickflip nose slide before.

Ti : 45:35

Yeah, it was like a couple of tricks and then you ollie it in the line yeah, yeah, did you kickflip it in that part as well, or was that? In a different video.

Shannon: 45:43

That was the ender.

Ti : 45:44

Last trick yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 45:46

I couldn't believe. You ollied it in your line and you look so like you were talking legs, you know. Do you think that's when?

Ti : 45:56

around that age is when the strength was obviously coming. Yeah, so I think I'd finally got like a bit of a growth spurt gotcha, and so I would have been 15, 16 filming that video part. Yeah, so that is when, yeah, you just do grow a little bit, get stronger you know what I love the most like.

Ti : 46:11

I loved how, when you kickflip, your brother was there yeah, yeah you know, and how stoked he was like I mean, yeah, everyone got excited because I tried it yeah before that and like, bruised my heels and everything, and then on that day it was first try, wow, and then did it again that day, because you can tell in the footage the second one that I did was like a bit rocket and then um, but that's why the reaction because actually I remember when that video part came out.

Ti : 46:41

It was also a time when, like the Slap Magazine forums were very, very toxic and a lot of people were like, who does this kid think he is? He's like because I throw my hands up in the air. Yeah, but that was purely just because I was so like surprised because it was first try.

Shannon: 46:58

First try.

Ti : 46:58

So it was just like a natural reaction. No one had ever done it yeah.

Chima: 47:02

But seriously. I mean to get heckled for that like that was one of the biggest kickflips ever done at that stage, yeah.

Ti : 47:10

I mean people on Slap. It's still the same now. People online will hate you for whatever, but the algorithm takes the negative comments down now man.

Chima: 47:18

Yeah.

Shannon: 47:20

Instagram is so sensitive. I actually wrote on Alexander Volkanovsky you know the UFC fighter Because I like UFC Alexander Volkanovsky is the best featherweight in the world and he put a clip up and I wrote something like he wriggled out of a submission and I put up.

Ti : 47:38

I wrote you're an animal like you're an animal for doing that.

Shannon: 47:39

Yeah it gets confused, boom, and it got confused and I got my account blocked for a week. Yeah, it's so sensitive and again ties into cancel culture. Like you have to be so measured in what you say. I don't know and you know like like I said, with the loss of some big characters in in skateboarding, I'm just, yeah, who we really really needed. Yeah, love them or hate them, and you know who I'm probably alluding to. Like you know, grosso and phelps and things like that. It's like are we gonna get too sanitized here?

Shannon: 48:08

yeah, and is that affecting the culture?

Ti : 48:11

I think at some point it'll turn around just as it will with everything, because the majority of people don't want to be that censored gotcha. It's a handful of people like that you're censoring everything for and I speak the loudest yeah, yeah, yeah and everyone just wants to be able to enjoy themselves like there's. Obviously there's a lot of things that you shouldn't say to people and things that are horrible, but at the same time it's like some conversations should be open and some things should be joked about.

Shannon: 48:45

True, those slap forms were a free-for-all. I think it's because you could be an anonymous account, couldn't you? Is?

Ti : 48:51

that right. Yeah, you could be anonymous. It's the same. Now, though, I'm guessing like it's I don't know, maybe, yeah, I don't know, but back then it was definitely way more wild.

Shannon: 49:04

I remember reading that stuff and being like wow you cop shit for putting your hands up yeah, but you just looked like someone who's just landed something gnarly and was yeah you looked surprised and then your brother is like so stoked and hugging you.

Ti : 49:18

I would say back then it was way more hateful and people were just like giving you shit just because you know.

Shannon: 49:25

Yeah, for sure that's just the internet. Yeah, it is the internet. Yeah, guy Miller shot that photo, correct?

Ti : 49:33

Yes.

Shannon: 49:34

Yeah, guy Miller shot that photo correct. Yes, yeah, how? Because Guy picked you up onto Juice pretty early on, right?

Ti : 49:40

Yeah, I would have been 11, 10 or 11, something like that yeah.

Shannon: 49:46

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Ti : 49:47

Yeah, was that flick of the switch, your first video, part yeah yeah, it would have been.

Shannon: 49:56

Yeah, yeah, sick, so I love guy.

Ti : 49:57

It was like an amazing time and definitely did a lot for me. Yeah, and especially it's something that I thought about like years later and it was definitely like an awkward thing was to to quit on someone that had given you so much and everything. But, with that being said, it's like in your skate career you only have a very limited window and everything like that. And when it came to Volcom, it was like at the time it was like Shane, jake Lewis, dustin, joe Pease, like all the people I looked up to in australian skating, and a spot for me to be with them, and I was like, well, you know, I gotta take it yeah and I think that was like my next level up kind of, because it was like the let's live video came and that was a huge deal at the time and everything.

Ti : 50:51

So, um, yeah, it's like you know, you've got to make tough decisions in life.

Shannon: 50:57

Totally yeah. Describe Guy's reaction when you had to quit.

Ti : 51:03

I think he was pretty pissed off, and especially because Vulcan didn't come to me. I had kind of spoke to like Shane and then Peanut about it. So it was like I kind of orchestrated the deal, which is, you know, very dark, like going behind someone's back, but at the same time it definitely like got me to where I am now.

Shannon: 51:31

Yeah, and your homies were there? Yeah, you wanted to. Was it partly because of you wanted to be with your homies as well?

Ti : 51:38

Yeah, exactly Like that was when like I was the tightest with, like Jake Duncombe and like obviously Azar was over there. I'd known him my whole life. It was like basically like a family, like waiting for you, yeah, which it was for, like the time I was with the vulcan.

Shannon: 51:54

Yeah, so yeah yeah, now do you mind if I ask like can you share one of your, one of your favorite memories of, of shane?

Ti : 52:06

um, I would say probably, just he came. He wasn't supposed to, but he came on the uh kill self trip with us when we drove from Melbourne to Sydney premiering the video and I mean, I couldn't think of like one moment in particular, but just his overall presence was always an amazing thing.

Shannon: 52:27

Yeah, yeah, that's insane.

Ti : 52:29

Yeah.

Shannon: 52:30

I hear that a lot man.

Ti : 52:32

Yeah, larger than life, yeah.

Shannon: 52:33

Yeah, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, well, can we get another clip up? What have we got next? Let's have a look. Talk us through something. Here we go. I can't wait to see. Oh, here we go. Yes, all right so. Before you start just even looking at this now, years later you've probably watched the footage a bunch of times. What immediate feelings are evoked within you years later?

Ti : 53:08

Just yeah, pretty stoked that it's like something that I don't ever have to do again. So for this video part right, this was like one of. This is probably like the fifth trick that I filmed for it, oh right. So for like all majority of my last tricks, I filmed first.

Chima: 53:24

Yeah.

Ti : 53:24

Because it's always easier when you know how the end of the video part's going to be, and it's always easier knowing that you have all your last tricks instead of leaving those two last. Yeah, so those first two attempts. I tried to push at it and couldn't get near enough speed and those bails absolutely killed me. I think I I can't remember if it was the first one or the second one I broke my foot, so now my right pinky just Kind of sits up like that. It doesn't touch the ground anymore.

Shannon: 53:57

So the first or second attempt, you broke your foot.

Ti : 53:59

Yeah, I broke my foot, but I was like so and you kept going yeah, because this was the one day when I could get what. This was the one day when I could get Kami Lee, yeah, colin Onion.

Shannon: 54:21

Look at that, look on your face.

Ti : 54:22

There I can see the scene, basically to get everyone together to film it.

Shannon: 54:28

And shoot it and shoot it, and then so you honestly thought you could push into it.

Ti : 54:35

Yeah, because it looked like it. But yeah, I didn't have enough. I mean, I think someone like Chris Fanner could probably push into it, but I didn't have the legs for that. And then someone had a bike there and Sammy's like amazing at towing people. He's like the strongest rider or something. He's towed bow into stuff before as well, so the first couple that he towed me on, I like, was going too fast and clearing it too much, and also because the top of it is marble yeah I mean the way you pop from on a few of these, like if you listen to the footage, my tail doesn't even hit, it's just like you just air off the stairs, wow.

Ti : 55:15

and then I think, just because I was going so quickly, it was like literally not the impact, but it was hard to land at that speed after like flying through the air for that long. Yeah, so yeah, that bear was Dude. Do you watch that footage?

Shannon: 55:32

and just go like man. Like I wish I was wearing sunglasses when I did that.

Ti : 55:38

Not sunglasses, but I wish I wore better like gloves, because my hands got ruined by that as well yeah, right, so why you? You wore through the gloves yeah, and they were like 3m.

Shannon: 55:50

Whatever that brand is, like layered gloves like from like work, like yeah, yeah, and I went through those as well um no, so you're limping. There is that when?

Ti : 56:01

you're like I've probably broken something I can feel it in my foot, like it was pretty painful, but yeah, because I think I only bailed one, oh, sorry, three of them onto my feet and all those three are the ones that, like, did the damage. You know, yeah the ones I was kind of landing on and slipping out, but not so bad. Um, and yeah, I don't know, I'd always looked at this spot since I was a kid and I thought it would just fit perfectly in the video part and I was like what?

Shannon: 56:30

Yeah, for context like as a kid, so you probably looked at that spot. For what? 15 years?

Ti : 56:36

Probably like over 20 years.

Shannon: 56:39

Over 20 years.

Ti : 56:40

you've looked at it Because I know I've looked at it as, like you, only the first set and then only the second set.

Shannon: 56:45

Yeah, and skate it like that. You know it's not a double fight, it's.

Ti : 56:48

Yeah.

Shannon: 56:48

Two sets of steps.

Ti : 56:50

Yeah, yeah. But then, yeah, looking at it, I was like I don't know if it's Physically Possible, but I'm like, as long as you go fast enough, yeah, oh, there it is.

Shannon: 57:00

Yeah, you can do it Dude, how'd that feel?

Ti : 57:03

Fantastic.

Shannon: 57:04

Look at this footage so good Bang. Yeah, like with the heaps of people from, like the general public, standing around and watching as well.

Ti : 57:12

Yeah, someone came. A whole group of people came out of I can't remember. I think it's Channel 7. That's across the road. Yeah, I can't remember, I think it's Channel 7. That's across the road. Yeah, and I'm like what's going on here and we're just like it's this. They're like what's this for? And I'm like I don't know.

Shannon: 57:30

I can't explain this to you right now. How much does?

Ti : 57:34

that mess with your head, though. When you get random sort of spectating, it does mess with me a little bit, because people like tend to stand in the wrong area, which is fair enough, but they like they don't understand what it is that you're doing right and it's just an interesting thing, since people have watched skateboarding on the olympics, I've had a lot more people come up that seem to have an understanding of it.

Ti : 57:53

Like someone came up to me at modern place and they were like we always thought that you were just trying to kill yourself. Basically, they didn't realize that there was like something that you were just trying to kill yourself. Basically they didn't realize that there was like something that you're trying to do by, like, going off a set of stairs.

Shannon: 58:05

Yeah.

Ti : 58:06

Like you're trying to land back on the board.

Shannon: 58:07

But they couldn't understand.

Ti : 58:09

But a lot of people think you're just like. I don't know.

Shannon: 58:14

It's like, yeah, they couldn't understand the rationale, like I wonder if they see it as a form of stunt work.

Ti : 58:23

Yeah, they think that you're trying to do this random thing and then possibly land back on your board, or you're just like trying to jump, I don't know, trying to kill yourself.

Shannon: 58:29

Like self-harm.

Chima: 58:32

Yeah, it's bizarre when you said the impact was a lot to land it and roll away. Do you mean by going too fast or too slow?

Ti : 58:42

Going like too fast, so like ollieing, and then trying to keep your weight centered, like throughout the air or whatever. And then when you land you're like, wow, I'm still going, because I was probably. I don't know. I've got to be going like 35 k's an hour or something, yeah, something like that. I don't know. But yeah, it's Hard to land at that speed yeah. For sure, and I think their landing Might be a little bit downhill or something.

Chima: 59:11

Looks a little. I think it's a little downhill. Yeah, I've looked at that for a lot of years too.

Ti : 59:15

Yeah.

Chima: 59:16

Never thought of the whole thing. Yeah, proper For sure, yeah whole thing, though.

Shannon: 59:19

Yes, for sure. Yeah, man, it's amazing, congratulations thank you, I'm glad I can actually say that to you in person yeah, thank you yeah, because it inspired me. And here's a really random observation, because this part came out during covid like it was actually for me personally. I had some personal stuff going on it was a dark time, yeah, I had to move back from indonesia.

Shannon: 59:39

I was living in indonesia and yeah and um, I was able to go skating at this diy spot in wulungong. That was like my only respite, and when your part came out just to see someone pushing himself to that level, it actually gave me this really sense of inspiration and hope and I don't know like it was just I think a lot of people needed something like it. I know a lot of my friends like needed to be uplifted.

Shannon: 1:00:03

Do you ever consider that you are uplifting people or are you just trying to impress the homies and other skaters?

Ti : 1:00:12

No, I mean, it's not about like impressing anyone With this video part. Right, it was like kind of due to do a new part. And then COVID happened. And for the first month of COVID, I just sat at home with my family and was genuinely scared. I was like I don't know how serious this is, or whatever. And then, after finding out a few friends that had had it and hearing from them, they're like, oh, it's not so bad, whatever. I was like all right, I was like there's I'm not going to go back to the states for a long time and there's going to be a lot of downtime.

Ti : 1:00:44

You could tell, like it wasn't just going to be over or whatever. So I was like why don't we go out and film this part while sydney's completely shut down? So me, lee and uh colin started just like going out and getting random things and being able to skate things that normally you wouldn't because there's no security around or anything, and also being able to like get around Sydney with no traffic and everything. And because we couldn't leave Sydney, it was like I ended up skating a lot of spots that you take for granted but you never really skate the stuff that you always walk by and you're like, oh, do it another time or whatever. So with this part kind of ran out of spots to skate, we skated everything there was kind of to hit in sydney. Yeah. So it was a stretch, and then also by the end of it in 2021, um was when you couldn't leave your LGA.

Shannon: 1:01:43

Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

Ti : 1:01:44

So I'm in Redfern Lee's in Bondi Collins in Zetland and remember those maps that they had where you could see where your circles would meet up. So we had like a good amount of the part finished but we still needed like a couple more things. So during that time we were like trying to figure out where we can go. Like a good amount of the part finished but we still needed like a couple more things. Yeah, so during that time we're like trying to figure out where we can go where we're not going to get fined for leaving, like your local government area. So it was like a way different process to filming that part, but also my favorite, because when you go on trips, it's like you're on a trip with like eight other people, different personalities, different things that they want to escape. But for this whole part it was just me, photographers, filmers and the spot that we chose.

Ti : 1:02:33

You just go there, do your business, everyone goes home.

Shannon: 1:02:36

There you go.

Ti : 1:02:37

And yeah, no bullshit in between, that's so good.

Shannon: 1:02:41

So, good to hear it firsthand. I love it. Yeah, I made the joke about you wearing sunglasses, but I love some of that footage old footage of you like doing stuff.

Ti : 1:02:50

Yeah, it was like the early, like Volcom days.

Chima: 1:02:53

Yeah, it's so classic I remember like Trapasso used to do it a lot as well.

Ti : 1:03:04

It was. It's uh not cringy but like it's pretty funny to look. It was definitely made sense in those times, but yeah, it's.

Shannon: 1:03:08

I feel like you're one of the few people that like made it work. I used to like watching brian herman like you know, yeah, yes, and he'd have like a wine shirt and glasses.

Chima: 1:03:15

Yeah, in some of his footage like that looks sick too yeah, but you did some pretty hectic things with the sunnies on too.

Ti : 1:03:22

It wasn't like you were just sort of messing, yeah, so I started um so, yeah, the rocks rail was for my first vans shoe commercial and when we started filming that I had to keep the same clothes on and the whole look had to be exactly the same. And I wasn't thinking about it at the time where I was like you're wearing sunglasses in all the catch-up, all the B-roll footage. So when we got there to do the backside flip, they were like, oh, you might, for consistency, like keep the sunglasses on.

Chima: 1:03:56

So, yeah, that was Did you have to like second guess it, or did it put you off at all, or were you just like what else?

Ti : 1:04:04

No, what put me off was like vans flew out, a crew of probably seven people from the States, so there was like Greg Hunt, anthony Acosta was going to shoot the photo, and then all these other people using the red cameras. So they paid all this money, flew these people out from the States, they got a permit for the spot and they're like, you know, 3 o'clock to 6 o'clock on like a Thursday or something, and they're like right, go there and do your backside flip. And the very first try I tried a backside flip, I landed and like both my shoes came off and I hit the insides of my kneecaps on the road. So I completely buckled myself on the first go, but there was like no second chance to do it. So that was like an hour, an hour and a half of the same thing, just like beating yourself up until I finally made it.

Chima: 1:05:02

Do you think the sun has put you off and that's why you took that?

Ti : 1:05:05

yeah, I probably shouldn't have been wearing them because it's like for certain tricks, it's like hard to read your depth and it depends where your board's going to be, because you might get the frame of the sunglasses depending on where you're looking like yeah, definitely definitely no way.

Shannon: 1:05:20

What's your relationship With Jim Thiebaud? Like Fantastic.

Ti : 1:05:24

He's just, he's the best dude ever. Yeah, he's just up for like Any Any idea that you have Any concern, that you have Anything. You could go to him About anything and he'll help you out.

Ti : 1:05:36

It's like no matter who you are Like. When Dill and Ave Were starting FA, he Like, no matter who you are like. When Dill and Ave were starting FA, he like helped him out. He told him, like, this is how you get your boards and your graphics and all this. You know what I mean. Yeah, like, regardless of who you are. If you're like his competition or whatever, he's down to help you out. Yeah, he's a good guy.

Shannon: 1:05:56

Yeah, it seems like it you never hear anything bad about that guy. Yeah. He's just such a legend.

Ti : 1:06:00

He's a legend and he absolutely loves skateboarding.

Shannon: 1:06:05

Still, he's all about it, yeah, you feel it, yeah, yeah, do you still absolutely love it?

Ti : 1:06:09

Yeah, I mean, I have my times. It all depends on what I'm doing. So it's like if I go skate, I obviously enjoy it. Go skate with your friends and that's like the greatest feeling. It reminds you of being a kid. But there are certain times when you got to go do certain things. Or I don't know instagram. Sometimes you're sitting there and you like you want to put something quality on instagram, but you're also trying to film it for half an hour on an iphone and you're just wondering, like what you're doing. But at the same time I don't want to sound jaded and complain because I still get paid to skate. All I have to do is post on instagram and do what I love.

Shannon: 1:06:49

So, yeah, yeah are you working on a part. Are you gonna start?

Ti : 1:06:53

uh, yeah, I want to start doing something new. Um, I just gotta think about. It's always easier if I pick the spots first, gotcha, and figure out what I want to do and who.

Shannon: 1:07:02

it's always easier if I pick the spots first, gotcha.

Ti : 1:07:03

And figure out what I want to do and who it's going to be for and what the timeframe is, and then, yeah, start doing it. But yeah, I'm probably about due to do something again.

Shannon: 1:07:13

Because, like your career has been long, man, you know that's like I think a lot of people in my circle anyway when you did release that Nice to See you part, we were kind of shocked. We're kind of like and you probably have heard that before because it's like if you go back to your first major part, which was the Kill Self part, yeah, so it's like a 20-year gap, something like that, yeah. That's longer than most man. Yeah, I was going to say on that too, like the, I mean.

Chima: 1:07:40

Now it's been close to 25 years of filming videos, since the first Juice video you know, and then obviously Kill Self was a major part. But then I find it pretty astonishing in a sense that you know, obviously the kickflip at Cook Phillip was a big thing at the time, one of the biggest things ever done. And then you've kind of currently bookended that nearly 20 years later, with the Martin Place set Like that's pretty amazing to do two of the biggest things kind of ever in your sort of first and most currently recent part.

Ti : 1:08:16

So that's pretty wild for anyone to achieve that I think it's like a great way for like anything you do in life, like especially the approach on that video part was like at that age because I was like 31, 32, filming that to be like not necessarily just for everyone else, but to prove to yourself can you do better than you did last time?

Chima: 1:08:43

so see, and can you consistently like?

Ti : 1:08:46

yes, never being in, never seeing what anyone else does, and being in competition and being like got to be better than this person or that or whatever, but being competitive with yourself and trying to like prove to yourself more than anyone that you can still do it and that you still have the love and motivation to do that.

Chima: 1:09:05

I think that's a great lesson of just trying to better yourself, you know what I mean within your chosen activity or as a person too.

Ti : 1:09:14

Yeah, and like any aspect of your life, you can kind of take that too. You don't have to be the best tomorrow, but you should aim to be better tomorrow or next week than you were today.

Chima: 1:09:26

Definitely, definitely, spot on. Yes, sir, love that you said that.

Shannon: 1:09:31

Yeah, it's like that saying like hey do anything is hey do everything.

Ti : 1:09:34

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Or the other way around yeah, hey do anything is. Hey, do everything anything's happening and it's just so. I mean, yeah, you can take your mindset from skating and apply it to almost anything, because a lot of people in life or anything you go through in life like failure is the one thing that people are afraid of, so they tend not to do a lot of things. But with skateboarding, failure is something that is a hundred percent part of it.

Ti : 1:09:58

So you learn like right, you're going to try it this time, that time. You try it a hundred times, but you only have to get it right once. So you, as long as you get it right once, then that's what it's all about have you started trying to convey these values to your daughter? Yeah, it's, it's yeah in some way. I mean it's hard with like a five-year-old kid in this day and age yeah but, yeah, trying to tell her.

Ti : 1:10:28

You know, like if you know she rides a scooter or a bike or whatever and you fall over and you're like it's totally fine, you're okay, get up and do it again. Yes, yeah, cool, yeah, that's it. Get up, keep going.

Chima: 1:10:40

Yeah, exactly, love that yeah, speaking of you, like video parts and stuff, I was doing a little recap this morning, yeah, before coming, and I think you got a massive um selection and diversity of your tricks and everything you do um, which I think is quite fascinating really, because it's super well-rounded switch, regular, you know fakie, you know forwards, like flips, lots of different things.

Chima: 1:11:11

I did notice a couple of somewhat omissions, though given that he had a couple of manuals, but they were more like pretty dangerous manuals like drops off and front 360s. He had a couple of switch ones in one part.

Ti : 1:11:28

Front 360s. I can't. I can do them but my right is my right, my right ankle, like when you front three and you under-rotate and you land. I always get like a hot pocket from doing that, so I just tend not to do that. And for some reason just going switch that way, just over that shoulder I can like spin better.

Chima: 1:11:50

Man, it turns into that Back threes.

Shannon: 1:11:54

Back threes are your staple.

Ti : 1:11:55

Yeah, back threes definitely the money maker.

Shannon: 1:11:58

Dude, what about that one you did at the dime challenge? Oh yeah, yeah, that was so sick.

Ti : 1:12:03

Yeah, that was really fun, that contest yeah it looked like it, because it wasn't like a contest Did you say it.

Shannon: 1:12:09

Ty.

Chima: 1:12:10

Yeah, I watched it on YouTube. Yeah, it was like a massive kick around.

Shannon: 1:12:14

Like a flat bank.

Ti : 1:12:14

Yeah, a big bump to bar Bump to bar yeah, the drop was huge. Yeah, because they kept on putting like layers on it to make it slowly bigger, bigger, bigger.

Shannon: 1:12:24

Yeah, and just like a huge crowd. Yeah, it was awesome.

Ti : 1:12:28

That's the first time I've skated in front of a crowd and been hyped and motivated by the crowd, because it's not like a street league or something, it's like all these, because the dime thing is kind of just like a piss take of contests. Um, it's your place. The whole crowd is just like drunk and stoked and it's way more of a fun vibe than so serious, you know.

Shannon: 1:12:54

Yeah where are you at with skate comps? You like watching um?

Ti : 1:13:01

yeah, I mean I'm gonna watch the olympics and stuff like that skating in them like I can't do. I was in the street league last year and I just like which one one in sydney I was there. Yeah, I was like last last place I was very distracted that day because I was catching up with a bunch of people.

Ti : 1:13:19

I'm sorry, yeah, but no, but no it's like. If it's like a best, I always liked the format when it was like the Maloof contest yeah, and you get 10 minutes to basically get 10 minutes to like land, whatever you want to. But the street league approach is like so much harder where you've got to be. So on point.

Shannon: 1:13:39

Yeah.

Ti : 1:13:42

And I think that's less entertaining to watch because I remember watching Nija and everyone in the Maloof contest and watching them go for 10 minutes and seeing what they pull up in 10 minutes is far more incredible than seeing what they can do in two 60-second lines and five attempts at whatever tricks, you know?

Shannon: 1:13:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true Jam format, it's all about jam format yeah, exactly yeah, wow, let's get up that. We've got one more clip, don't we? Let's get it up, I think, uh, this is the last one I I picked out yeah because for me personally, and like a lot of other people, it's just so epic the switch tray over the railing run place uh.

Ti : 1:14:21

So for this one, for the, I wanted to try. I wanted to tray flip the, the other one on the other side, and then switch tray this one. So it would be like having a mirrored switch regular trick in your part. But someone had already tray flipped the other one, so then I think I got the back three over the other one and then this one I'd always wanted to like switch tray, alley-oop, a rail, wow. But for this one, like you know the angle of the rail that goes against where you're going so, um, yeah, it turned out beautifully I think it's probably yeah, so I think it.

Ti : 1:15:01

I think that was, yeah, probably the best switch tray I've ever done, would you?

Shannon: 1:15:05

say it's the in that whole video part.

Ti : 1:15:08

It was your favorite trick personally uh, yeah, that one and the the alley back three as well, because you don't really like see people do those. I'd never done them before, so yeah, but yeah, the switch tray was could you go back to the switch tray? Probably, I reckon that was probably like the hardest trick in the part yeah, how many shots?

Shannon: 1:15:32

three shots no, no, that was probably like an hour and a half so because you held up three at the end I was like I don't know what that is about no, no, so that is like a. Is that it?

Ti : 1:15:45

I messed it up because I was so stoked, but it's this celebration that Leo Messi does. It was like in a Champions League.

Shannon: 1:15:54

Oh, right, okay.

Ti : 1:15:55

There's the reference.

Shannon: 1:15:56

So he's like one, two, three.

Ti : 1:15:58

At the camera.

Shannon: 1:16:00

Is that what you were trying? Okay, yeah.

Ti : 1:16:01

Then I ended up messing it up and then just like flipping the camera off or something.

Shannon: 1:16:07

Yeah, that was super impressive. You look super relieved there. So an hour and a half of trying it, it was hard because, yeah, when I do switch trays.

Ti : 1:16:16

I like really stand on my toes so it's super hard to go that fast, hit the right angle and stand on your toes and, like you know, yeah, but yeah, that was by far, out of everything in the part, the best feeling.

Shannon: 1:16:30

It looked so solid the way you landed, yeah, wow so you probably threw yourself down that. What in an hour and a half? What 30 times?

Ti : 1:16:40

Probably more than it was, probably like 40 tries, I don't know. It'd be interesting to ask lee, because he still has all the raw footage, to find out how many attempts are on on what cold day was a cold day. Well, you know, martin place during winter, during like, in between all those buildings, is always extremely cold. So, um yeah, dude, when the gloves are full dude.

Shannon: 1:17:05

Yeah, I mean how much is it?

Ti : 1:17:07

because I noticed there's gloves in a lot of it yeah it must have saved your hands a lot right yeah yes and no, or they get and it's also from like an era that I grew up in when, you know, people were like, I think, greco and stuff. Someone would call them like hammer gloves yeah right. So you know, when you're doing the serious business, you pop the gloves on they so are hammer gloves man.

Chima: 1:17:31

Did you get a my war from that?

Ti : 1:17:34

No.

Chima: 1:17:35

That'd be a good one.

Ti : 1:17:36

I don't think I got a. Yeah, I should hit them up and get like a my war going on one of those, Because that's a pretty sick trick.

Chima: 1:17:41

And then if he's got all that footage, like yeah, there's a lot I mean yeah he filmed a lot during that video part.

Shannon: 1:17:52

God, now that I know that you probably had a broken foot on that double set.

Chima: 1:17:54

That's insane dude. That's a my war.

Ti : 1:17:55

Yeah, it's like where my pinky toe joins to my foot and it's just like permanently like up. No way, because it was messed up for like a long time after that, so I'm sure something broke there.

Chima: 1:18:10

Did you go and get it checked out? No, I didn't because what? Was it? Because it was.

Ti : 1:18:16

COVID, the next day was Father's Day, I think. Yeah, it was Father's Day and then, like me and the family and my brother and his wife went like up the coast somewhere Sick, and then a few days go by and then you're like, oh, I can kind of walk, and then you're like, alright, I just, yeah, I'm too used to that, just not getting things checked out.

Shannon: 1:18:41

Yeah, so sick. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, I'm starting to think that.

Ti : 1:18:46

Kind of yeah, Not for everything, but yeah, not for everything.

Shannon: 1:18:54

Maybe with skaters it's so common in skaters, but in life in general. I'm starting to think why do I concern myself with the ways, the problems in the world, and maybe I should just be ignorant and be happier?

Ti : 1:19:04

Well, that's why, yeah, if there's problems that you either have a solution to or you don't, you go about it the same way. It's great, if you've got a solution, then you do the solution. If you can't do anything about it, then you can't do anything about it. That's why, yeah, that's why I try to stay off social media and everything, because you open your phone and you go down these rabbit holes and you find out all this information about what's going on, or pddy, something like that and you're like you know what, like I don't need to know about this shit and like there's.

Shannon: 1:19:43

It is useless information some of it. Yeah yeah, I've found too. When you do remove yourself from news and media, you end up finding out what you need to know anyway, if something is actually serious enough to impact your way of life. You'll find out anyway. And so, yeah, maybe the ignorance too. Yeah, like when you hear about people like pdd getting wrapped up in some sort of scandal or whatnot. Do you need to know? Yeah, so definitely not man so epic chemo.

Shannon: 1:20:16

So, um, I always ask everyone this like you know where to, where to from here, like the next five years, where do you see yourself? Are you going to stay in Sydney?

Ti : 1:20:27

Yeah, I'll stay in Sydney, Like my daughter. She started school, so stay in the same spot, keep doing the same things, but slightly better, nice Slightly better than yesterday. Yeah, nice.

Shannon: 1:20:42

Slightly better than yesterday.

Ti : 1:20:43

Yeah, exactly that's all you can hope for.

Shannon: 1:20:45

I love how you said that man it's so like motivational man, I love that, and any shout outs man, anyone you want to shout out who's really been in school, in your life.

Ti : 1:20:55

No, no one in particular.

Shannon: 1:20:57

Okay.

Ti : 1:20:57

I just thank you two guys, for this is my first ever Podcast experience Is it?

Shannon: 1:21:02

Yeah, because I was wondering If you'd been on the nine club.

Ti : 1:21:05

I've done the. I'm sorry I've never done Like this.

Shannon: 1:21:08

Yeah.

Ti : 1:21:09

Official, like In a studio thing.

Shannon: 1:21:11

So Alright, man. Yeah, thanks for coming. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I hope you had a good experience. I thought you'd been on the Nine Club, though you need to be on the Nine Club. Come on, man. No, no, no, have I asked you?

Ti : 1:21:21

It was funny. It was last year. I was in LA last year and, you know, going back to cancel culture, someone had just gone on there. I think it might have been, you know, mike Arblo, yeah, yeah, you know mike arblo, yeah, yeah. So he had just gone on the nine club and I was on my way in an uber to do the podcast and someone from vans hit me up because arblo's episode came out and then I think matters one came out after that and everyone was hating on matters for participating with a show that everyone should be cancelling. So he caught the grunt of it, even though, like he didn't know about all this stuff. So they called me up and they were like don't do the episode, like, yeah, you've got to wait for this to cool down or whatever. And I was like fuck, all right.

Shannon: 1:22:14

Would you do it, though, if you ever had the opportunity?

Ti : 1:22:16

Yeah, I mean yeah, I would absolutely go now. I still talk to like Kelly every so often and I'm like I'm going to be in LA.

Shannon: 1:22:23

Let's organise a time to do it, dude yeah. I'm glad we got you before the 9 o'clock.

Ti : 1:22:28

Yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 1:22:29

Not that we're anywhere near their level of podcast, but still.

Chima: 1:22:32

Yeah, they're so good. As far as the evolution of Gemma and stuff and talking about your roundedness with video parts and not to give anything away, but have you got any sort of things that you want to do differently or could we see like another thing noticing and lacking was a bit of transition stuff, except for those big back threes Any transition Chima coming out.

Ti : 1:22:59

I wish I think I'm like Such a vert thing to say See, I can't skate, I can do fly outs, right, yeah, right, but I can't do tranny. Where you go back into it and like I've tried anything over six foot terrifies me and I hesitate like it's just. I think it's too too far gone for me I know fair enough, like I think you gotta learn it at such a young age and it changes your mindset.

Chima: 1:23:25

Yeah, I could agree with that. A lot of people use it as a fallback as they get older too.

Ti : 1:23:28

Yeah, yeah Can be a bit mellow Like I shot the only one that I've ever seen in his 20s be like I want to start skating training and then become one of the best. Yeah, yeah, wow, because he was a full street skater and he was just like I'm going to figure it out and he did. But he has a brain like no one else.

Chima: 1:23:53

He's amazing.

Ti : 1:23:53

He's like very I don't know what you'd call it. If he's going to focus on something and do something, he's going to like. On something and do something he's going to like 100%.

Shannon: 1:24:03

Like he sees the pattern Like a mathematical brain. Yeah.

Ti : 1:24:09

Not for a shot, I wouldn't say mathematical.

Shannon: 1:24:10

I would just say, he just calculates it, yeah.

Ti : 1:24:13

If he's like I want to get drunk, he's like, oh, and he would just go get completely fucked up. And he's like, if I really want to learn how to skate training, he's like, now he's like one of the best at skating training somehow.

Shannon: 1:24:26

Yeah, okay, so he just becomes very fixated on.

Chima: 1:24:33

Very fixated and like, yeah, so what about? So then, if no transition, what's the evolution? Have you got any? You know thoughts of different-ish sort of things.

Ti : 1:24:41

Yeah, I mean there's maybe like more tech stuff, more ledge skating. You know how many times can you like back three something or whatever you always got to like switch it up. I think I did it with the last part. It's like you couldn't top that back three or that switch tray. So it's like right those tricks might be off the shelf, um, I don't know yeah how are you gonna top that?

Shannon: 1:25:07

maybe you should just bring out a full like manuals, only part yeah, something different.

Ti : 1:25:12

Yeah, it would be hard to top.

Chima: 1:25:13

Do you give it? Do you actually get into tech manuals at all?

Ti : 1:25:17

yeah at waterloo, I do, it's just it's hard to find Street spots that are like Good for them. Yeah, I need long manual pads To do my manuals.

Chima: 1:25:26

Yeah, yeah, fair call, sick yeah.

Shannon: 1:25:30

I just had one more question. Dustin Dolan man, yeah, like how can you not love Dustin? Yeah, you know you stay in regular contact with him.

Ti : 1:25:37

Ah, yeah, we speak every so often.

Shannon: 1:25:38

Yeah, just like.

Ti : 1:25:39

Instagram or whatever he's like in Paris. Yeah, Just you know doing his piss-drunk thing. He's very proud of that, yeah.

Shannon: 1:25:48

Do you ever feel like and you've probably already talked about this with someone else, but like because he's from like the greater, greater western part of Sydney, which is like Blue Mountains, but it's not Sydney, but it's still out west?

Ti : 1:25:58

Yeah, yeah.

Shannon: 1:25:59

And you're from the west as well, you know. Then, coming into the city, do you think that helped bond you and your relationship with him?

Ti : 1:26:10

Just because you could relate to. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I would say it was definitely like the Volcom days.

Shannon: 1:26:18

Yeah.

Ti : 1:26:18

Of like all of us making that video. It was like such a rare thing that one branch of like an American company would let you put so much budget and everything into making something. So, yeah, during that time was like very interesting. And then also like I lived with him in LA for like four years. So, um, you know, australians always like to have home away from home and they like stick together.

Shannon: 1:26:44

So yeah, yeah, here's the guy for you yeah, yeah, exactly, of course, yeah I love dustin and, speaking of podcasts, to this day his episode on the nine club was it's one of my favorite skateboarding podcasts ever. Have you, have you heard?

Ti : 1:26:58

it or what? No, I don't know that he's been on there. Oh man, go and watch it.

Shannon: 1:27:01

I mean I think he, I think he even talks about you in it all right but I think for a lot of american skaters listening to that episode that probably went over their head.

Shannon: 1:27:10

But yeah, he's talking about sydney and characters around australia yeah, yeah but for me it was just amazing and you know how like he's, just so authentic and raw yeah and, yeah, he got wasted the whole episode. I don't know how many beers he drank, but man, it's so classic and unique. That guy is just such a rare character and we need more of that with the next generation coming through. I'm not necessarily advocating for drinking whatever there's no judgment but I'm just saying like Just a little more charisma. Yeah, that raw authenticity.

Chima: 1:27:43

That's the personas we were talking about, right.

Shannon: 1:27:45

Yeah, having that side of things. Especially with the advent of Harlan Carr.

Ti : 1:27:49

Yeah, he kind of got like I can't even remember what for, but like cancelled a little bit it's, I don't know. I think all of it will come full circle because the people like doing the count. You see, that's the thing is. You never know what someone's going to be offended by tomorrow. So you could counsel someone for something today and then tomorrow you're going to be the one getting it. So it's going to go full circle and everyone I don't know get over it.

Shannon: 1:28:17

Have a laugh.

Chima: 1:28:18

Get over it. Yeah, it is what it is, definitely.

Shannon: 1:28:22

That's a good way to end, unless there's something else. You got in there, chima you good oh good alright, mr Chima Ferguson, everybody, thank you very much. Thanks Ty you, yeah, watch out to hold up back.

Ti : 1:28:38

Watch the veins. We will be here forever.

Shannon: 1:28:43

Do you understand that?