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Aimee Massie: Judging Olympic Skateboarding. Going Viral. Resilience. Kindness (Ep. 233).
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Join us as we get to know Amiee Massie, a skateboarder, content creator, and Olympic skateboarding judge. Aimee shares about her captivating journey from growing up in a housing commission area of the Gold Coast, to her current life of global travel, creativity, and developing her personal brand. Steve Tierney, sits in as co-host this week, and adds another layer to the conversation, making it a robust discussion about passion, resilience, and crafting a unique path in the skateboarding world and life in general.
Aimee's narrative recounts her early days; an unwavering commitment to her dreams and an obvious gender imbalance at the skate park, a place she also found solace from a seemingly confusing home environment as a teenager. Hear about her viral rise on social media, her challenges balancing multiple commitments, and the rigorous physical demands of aging in a craft that demands peak physical performance. From knee dislocations to the exhilaration of being included in skate demos along side her childhood heroes, Amiee's tales offer a raw and inspiring look at the grit required to excel in whatever you choose to do in this life.
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Hey, it's Shan here. This week I catch up with skateboarder content creator and Olympic skate judge. It's Amy Massey. Amy takes us on a journey through her life so far, from growing up in the Gold Coast to moving to Sydney, to traveling the world, skateboarding, judging and much, much more. Amy's so interesting. She literally lives a life by her own design and we talk a lot about what that looks like and how it was accomplished. She talks a lot about going viral on social media and how that can have its bonuses and also its negatives. It's a great conversation. This week's guest co-host is friend and artist, mr Steve Tierney, so tune in for a great conversation. Enjoy. Hey, listen. Have you seen the Chad Musker episode on Nine Club recently?
Speaker 2I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 1Yeah, I watched it. Oh, I watched half of it yesterday.
Speaker 3How did it make you feel?
Speaker 1Really good, Like he spat some really good words. I don't know he's. He's doing something for himself, which is awesome. Like he's, he knows that he is his own brand, so he's making something of it and people feel like they're like buying something from him. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1It's like he's he's created this thing and they're like buying something from him. You know what I mean. It's like he's he's created this thing and they're supporting him, so like he's doing it differently, which is sick, and like he can understand that yeah, yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3Yeah, I found it really powerful. He said that quote was the power no longer lies in the industry.
Speaker 1The power lies in the individual yeah, yeah, I put that on my story yesterday, did you? Yeah I put it on my story as well. I like, filmed it and was like these are wise words, because it's so true do you think it's a really good representation of just modern pop culture?
Speaker 1yeah, I just I think that everything's adapting and, uh, yeah, like things aren't how they used to be. Like, of course, there's still always going to be that core side of skating and people are going to go down that pathway, but now there's like new pathways you can go down and you can make a living from doing. You know, something for yourself rather than something for a company. Like you could create your own company in that sense, um, which is, it's awesome. Like individuals should be getting this you know what I mean.
Speaker 3Like it's entrepreneurship, it is a modern day entrepreneurship and I think, instead of being like worker drones going to places we don't like, why not be an entrepreneur and create a lifestyle by design? Do you feel like that's what you've accomplished?
Speaker 1Yeah, I feel like I've can accomplish more, um, like I haven't hit my full potential in that. Like I want to do kind of what Chad's doing and create my own brand, um, eventually down the down the lines. Um, but yeah, right now I'm just I'm working with so many different brand deals and, like, obviously, traveling for work as well. So, like my lifestyle is really busy at the moment, but once it starts settling down, like that's some, I want to create something for myself, like clothing brand, or something for, and mostly for, women skaters, because I guess, like you know, we don't, we're always buying guys jeans and stuff like that and I'd like to support women in that, in the clothing styles I don't know. Yeah, definitely, like I've got heaps of ideas Because, like I guess, women skaters, like we, have massive thighs, so, like a lot of the jeans that you'd like a normal girl would buy, they don't really fit Cause it's got big muscles.
Speaker 3Obviously waist of wider.
Speaker 1Yeah that, yeah that comes into play. So like you'll you'll have like a wider waist, bigger thighs, and then it tapers in at the top, so like there's certain pants that you can wear that look really good. But I want to create my own style of it yeah, so you think that's the next progression for you yeah, like definitely I want to do many things, many things you're not done, I mean not like I'm I'm not skating as good as what I used to be able to skate, like my body feels done um, but that's just with age.
Speaker 1And like I'm trying to look after myself now. Like I'm trying to get into stretching more and looking after my body because I'm realizing like, as as I'm getting older, everything's so much harder like warming up, like Steve speaking of older just warming up. It can take an hour for me now, and then I'm like feeling actually good, like I can throw down after an hour of warming up, yeah, and I was like fuck, I used to just do it in like 10 minutes and be like shredding, you know, so yeah I guess it's good.
Speaker 2Mini ramp heaps though too. Do you find, like I find, a good, an easy way, a good way to warm up, even for street, is to just do a couple of mini ramp tricks.
Speaker 1Yeah, I usually do that.
Speaker 2Warms you up instantly almost.
Speaker 1Yeah, it does, and like games of skate as well. That's like another way. Like that, I like to warm up. Yeah, hit up all the guys.
Speaker 3Do you find when you skate like mini ramp before a street session you kind of lose your pop, Like you get tranny legs.
Speaker 2Like lose your pop, like you get tranny legs, like I don't know transition legs.
Speaker 1You know you have days where yes, for sure, but then I try to avoid it.
Speaker 3Yeah, do you, do you skate transition like yeah, yeah I think I'd probably class myself more as a mini ramp champ. Yeah, back in the day, like I force myself to skate straight, yeah, yeah, but I feel like I really should have started earlier hitting the ledges. But I was always training, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1I mean, yeah, I like everything I couldn't like. You know how some people just like one or the other. I don't understand that, because for me, skateboarding is skateboarding, so like, I just love all of it.
Speaker 2But that's come in this like last, whatever 15, 10, 15 years, Because if our generation. It was like you with street or yeah, there's lots of more all around us now. The all around of things just amazing.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's much more inclusive. Yeah, do you feel that? Do you think skateboarding is?
Speaker 1Yeah, inclusive, definitely nowadays. Yeah, a hundred percent More than when you started. Yeah, when I started, it was a whole other world Can we talk about it Actually.
Speaker 3Can you share your experience like starting skateboarding?
Speaker 1in your area.
Speaker 1So basically, I got into skating BMX before I skated, so I was introduced to a skate park through a BMX and, uh, I grew up in housing commission, grew up pretty poor as a kid. Um, mom got me a bike one year, which I was stoked about. So I used to go to the skate park all the time on my bike. And then, I think one day, like someone's, someone wanted to have a time on my bike. And then, I think, one day, like someone's, someone wanted to have a turn on my bike. And then they, I was like can I ride your skateboard? And I rode the skateboard and I was like this is so much fun, like I liked it way better than, um, bmxing. So I was like, can I like borrow this board and you can borrow my bike? And they're like, oh, do you want to just swap? And I was like, yeah, wow. So we swapped right.
Journey Through Skating and Acceptance
Speaker 1And then I went home and I remember my mom just like going off because I'd given this expensive bike away for this like shitty skateboard, because it was all chipped up and everything. But I was just like mom, like this is so much more fun, like it's cheaper, you know, like um, and she could see, like I was super into it, so she was just like whatever, like as long as you're happy. And then, um, how old were you? I was 12. I was 12 years old, um, but yeah, like it was hard for me getting into skating because the guys just didn't think like I was supposed to do it, because I was a girl, like there was no other girl.
Speaker 2What suburbs is?
Speaker 1so I grew up on the gold coast and I grew up skating varsity lakes yeah which before it was the old the. I don't know if you know the old varsity lake skate park, but it was horrible I tried to find images of it to like send to you guys.
Speaker 1Um, um, I was trying to find them last night and I can't find them anywhere. It doesn't exist anymore, I don't know Like there used to be photos of it online but now there isn't. But there was like one, one ramp there that had coping and it was the most bodgy, like, like steep, the steepest ramp ever. So I learned all my transition tricks on this crazy little like DIY thing and, um, yeah, like I learned how to drop in by myself, I learned how to Ollie by myself just by watching the guy skaters, cause they wouldn't teach me. And then, uh, yeah, basically Jesus Christ, wow.
Speaker 1It is pouring right now, um yeah. So basically, um, they were like, how did how? Like how did you learn that? And I was like, well, you guys taught me. But they were like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, I just watched you guys do it and worked out how to do it myself, and then they could see that I was like super into skating. So, yeah, from that day on, they just were like, all right, we're going to help you learn, right, because I earned the respect.
Speaker 2So at first, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3Yeah, so you were embraced by them.
Speaker 1Yeah, like of course, like they were like really good at skating and I wanted to be on their level and I'm not one to give up on something Like I will try my hardest, you know. So I just kept trying and trying to win them over and I earned their respect, showing them that I want to skate. None of them skate now. Yeah right.
Speaker 2Like none of them, still skate.
Speaker 1I'm the only one that still does it and they always message me like dude, I can't believe how far you've gone with it.
Speaker 1And yeah, it was like it's pretty cool so you actually became friends, like through it all as well yeah, yeah, we, we, we became like really good homies so we'd like go around the area to different street spots, skate film. We have all this footage. I don't even know where it is now, like it's all lost somewhere, but yeah, it was a good distraction from growing up. Where I grew up, you know Like there was a lot of crazy stuff like just drugs, alcohol, domestic violence. There was so much stuff going on around me that I had to get out of there. Uh, my escape was the skate park and that's why I got really good at skateboarding, um, at a young age, cause, yeah, I just needed something to distract me from all that chaos.
Speaker 3Do you mind if I ask were you from a separated family?
Speaker 1Yeah, so my mom, um, and dad split up when I was 10, I believe I think I was 10. Um, so that was a whole transition, cause my mom actually met a woman and started dating a woman, and they're still together to this day. So I got two mums. Now it's awesome, um, but yeah, it was like a transition phase for me because I was like at that time, growing up, it wasn't like it wasn't like a thing to have a gay parent and, um, nowadays obviously it's really accepted, like, which is amazing, is amazing. Um, but yeah, for me at like a young age, it was really confusing. I was like what's going on, you know? Like I didn't really understand it, but it's. I was like whatever, like, if you're happy, then I'm happy, um, but yeah, as I got older, I started to understand it more.
Speaker 3I was like okay, I understand this, um, but yeah, so, aside from um, aside from skating, like, what other ways are you managing, yeah, your situation and the conversations around your parenting situation as well? Was, you know, we, we having feelings of like, maybe, I guess, confusion, embarrassment, like, and how are you managing it?
Speaker 1um, I guess, like I didn't really talk about it. Hey, like I, um, for me, uh, like in school I didn't really tell my friends that my mum had a girlfriend, right, like I just said, oh, it was my mum's friend, you know, yeah. And then for years I didn't invite my friends over because I was I hate to say it but I was embarrassed because I didn't know how it was like a whole new thing for me. I was like I don't know how to take this. And then, like as I was like I don't know how to take this, um, and then, like, as I got older so this would have been when I was like 10, 11, 12, I was like still trying to work it out. And then, when I was about 13, 14, I was like, okay, like I get it, my mom's gay, that's awesome. Um. And then one day I was just, I was like you know what? I can't hide this from my friends anymore. I need to tell them because, like my mom's so happy and I like I just felt bad not telling them.
Speaker 1So one day I finally told them. I was like yeah, so like my mom's gay. And they're like yeah, we know. And I was like, are you serious? They're like we've known the whole time. What do you mean? And I was like, are you serious? They're like we've known the whole time. What do you mean? And I was like I thought it was such a big deal, but like just to tell my friends and they were like all cool with it. I was like, oh, okay, sweet, like it's like why did I care so much? As a kid you get like that.
Speaker 3I guess yeah, and I think it was a different time. Like you know, in a lot of ways, our society obviously has its problems, but it also has some success as well, in terms of more inclusivity and understanding and acceptance, and I think it's progressing well, would you agree?
Speaker 1Yeah, 100%, and even in the skate community, like there's so many queer communities out there that are supporting each other, and like it's exactly what the skate community needs, and you you know, people are coming out like they're just, it's just like a normal thing. They're not even coming out, it's just like yeah, I like this person, you know, yeah which is really cool to see, yeah it's how it always should have been.
Speaker 3Yeah, just took a bit of time together yeah, how would you reflect on your time at school? I mean, were you a good student? Do you think you were academically no inclined?
Speaker 1just asking. I was like, I was like you know, I'd I'd be passing, like I'd be getting c's, but it was just because you didn't care yeah, I was. I mean, I was like more sporty, so basically like I was real academic in sport, um, so I was competitive like.
Speaker 1I used to go like try and win all the running races. I played soccer, I played cricket, basketball like I did all the sports growing up, um, but yeah, I wouldn't say I was in, like I was definitely in the dumb classes, like, right, you know how they had to have like an average joke class and I'm like they'd put me in there and I'm like, yeah, sweet, I just had my tech deck on the, on the setup on a board skating, yeah you were in a skating.
Speaker 3I don't know about you, but for me I was the same and then I left school thinking I was so dumb. Yeah, it took me a lot of years afterwards to realize I wasn't. Yeah yeah did you leave school feeling like you were dumb?
Overcoming Challenges to Pursue Dreams
Speaker 1definitely. I mean, I went to TAFE after school and I was like gonna study um graphic design. And well, I started studying graphic design and then I really liked it, but it got to a point where I was sitting inside all day long and I was like, shit, this is what it's gonna be like if I do this as a job and I'm like that's me he's a graphic designer. Yeah, true that's fine.
Speaker 2I was like I don't really want to sit inside.
Speaker 1I totally get what you're saying yeah, um and I just realized you're figuring out what you want to do, though, yeah and then my mom was like kind of bummed that I did that and she's like so what are you gonna do? I'm like, well, I want to become a pro skater yes, oh, wow so you like you put it out there.
Speaker 3You met you like yeah, I was.
Speaker 1I always wanted to become a pro skater and I was gonna do whatever it took to get there right um, and my mom she was like I mean you, if that's what you want to do, then go for it. So she was on board. Yeah, my parents were really supportive of, like, my skating career.
Speaker 3How old were you when you manifested that?
Speaker 1I was would have been 17, 18. Sick, yeah. But then I had a full-time job, like I worked for Coles. I've worked for coles for 10 years.
Speaker 3yeah, did the hard yards checkout, chick deli um can I just jump in there, comparatively, if you look at your, if we fast forward to your, the lifestyle you live now, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1I never would have thought I would be in this position. I am like ever right. I just even yeah, obviously we're going to be talking about the olympic stuff and, yeah, awesome, like I never thought I'd be doing that. You know, I never thought skating would be in the olympics, so I was like it's just like no one did, someone told me like 10 years ago hey, you're going to be an olympic judge. I was like crazy what you know, yes, um but yeah so. I guess I lost track of where we were.
Speaker 3So let's go back. Yeah, you were working at Coles as well, around 17, 18, keeping things alive with your Coles job.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3And just skating as much as possible.
Speaker 1Yeah. So, basically, like, I worked at Coles to support my skating career and I saved and saved and saved and saved and my, my thing was to save as much money as I can to get over to the states and, like you know, my parents they're not the most well off um, like we're not, we weren't. We didn't grow up with money right, so it was up to me to like to work my ass off to get the money to go over to the States and do it myself. And I did that. I, like I worked my ass off. I got the money. I booked a trip with Nixon Osborne he was 16 at the time and I was his guardian and we went over to the States together and I took him to Woodward and then, three days in to my trip, I dislocated my knee at woodward yeah, what were you doing?
Speaker 1um, so woodward west is like this massive rollover. It's like on the in the indoor part of it it's basically a bmx obstacle, um, but all the girls were going over it and we're doing like a train over it. And I just came over and as I came down, my back foot came off the board and I literally like sat on my knee at the bottom, like with full pressure, like splits.
Speaker 1And then I just felt my knee pop and I remember, cause I had shorts on on, like I had tiny little shorts on and I remember pulling my leg around and my kneecaps like on the side, and I just start screaming like and yeah, I just remember yelling out like someone, get me a green whistle. And they're like all the yanks are like what, what are you talking about? What's that? I'm like do you not know what that is like? It's more. And they're just like no, we can just give you like tylenol, and I'm like he's not gonna do anything, like anyways, they all just like stared at me. No one helped me. I was like someone pop it back in. No one was like. Everyone was like no, we're not touching you like we don't know what to do yeah, no one wanted to touch it and I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1I was like I can't have this out anymore, so I grabbed my leg oh and I just whacked it forward, yeah, and it kind of like grinded and popped back into place and then, yeah, I just it was, yeah, it was pretty brutal. That was probably my worst injury have you ever dislocated anything?
Speaker 3no, I've just got a shoulder, yeah but I've heard knees are like shoulder times 10.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's honestly like was it all the popping? Yeah, like popping it back in was worse than it popping out, yeah, and then like basically I hate to say it, but woodward was like, well, we're gonna charge you to get you a car to go to hospital and I'm like I don't have money. Like I need to go to hospital. I think I was. I was 23, 24, okay, maybe I don't know, I was older, but I just didn't have the money to pay for a car to go to hospital. And I was like, yeah, I can't afford that. And then they just wrapped my knee with all this ice and then I hit up one of the guys that, like he was a staff member and, um, we became good friends and he had a car there and I was like, bro, can you please like drive me to hospital? Was two hours away.
Speaker 1And then I had those things in place first day yeah, I mean it was weird, I don't know. It was like I don't know what happened there. But anyways, he drove me to hospital and I was like in so much pain that he gave me this pen and he's like, just keep sucking on this pen. And I was like what is it? And he's like it's THC, just keep sucking on it. He's like, trust me, the pain will go away. And I just kept sucking on it and, like I don't know, for half an hour and the next minute there was no pain and I was just flying the whole way to the hospital, I was like, thank you cannabis, great, got to hospital and they're like what's your pain?
Speaker 1out of 10. I'm like, oh, it's like a 10 earlier, but now it's a three. It's the real green whistle.
Speaker 3Yeah, exactly those green whistles are so good, though, like they just take the trauma. Yeah, bad situations, don't they?
Bonding Over Skateboarding Exploits
Speaker 1but yeah, I guess, like the start of that trip kind of kind of set off my career and but not because I didn't really get to prove myself over there because of that yeah, um, but nixon did, nixon got to. So he, he grew up in the same area as you, yeah, so basically I'm from the Goldie. He moved to the Goldie when he was like 15 or 16. And then I met him in a skate comp and I remember watching him going who is this kid Like? He's so good at skating. I thought he was a grown-ass man. I thought he was a 20-year-old man and he's like no, I'm 16.
Speaker 3I was like Because he was skating strong as well.
Speaker 1Yeah, he seemed strong, he just looked older, he was like a man child. Yeah, right, I was like what the hell? And yeah, we became really good friends like instantly, nixon becomes friends with everyone instantly. That's just his persona. But yeah, like his mom was like you're his guardian in the states, took him to the hollywood 16. He crushed it like what did he do down that? He did back 50 first try. Back 50 first try. Uh, that's insane. Front feeble. No, he did a feeble back lip like he just did. He back lip it. Yeah, he back lipped it like third shot it was yeah.
Speaker 3And then he destroys transitions as well.
Speaker 1Yeah, god man, that guy's atv right, yeah yeah, he's um, he's next level, that kid, and now he's over there now and he's smashing it yeah I've noticed actually he told me some, some things like some tricks. He's got Got to keep it a secret. Give us a scoop. Go, I can't, I can't, I've got to keep my lips sealed. But yeah, I'm sure, like you'll see his part, he's filming a part. He's working towards another one, yeah.
Speaker 3Hey.
Speaker 2Jock, can we get that YouTube clip up of Amy's trick at Sydney?
Speaker 3skate park.
Speaker 1Let's have a chat about that, sure, so that was one of the tours you went on with santa cruz. Yeah, yeah, so talk us through it. The back d on the wall at sydney yeah, so scary up there, it's fucking scary, yeah. So how did that come about? When, when we're in the van, I think everyone was talking about what they wanted to do, like what tricks they wanted to do in the demo, and I wanted to, like you know, impress everyone as well and impress santa cruz, and there was lots of little girls there too, and I was like I want to show them, like you know, what you can do. And I don't know, I psyched myself up so much in the van that I was like I'm doing this like I just got into this mental state of just being like I, I'm going to land this today.
Speaker 1And then I remember like going for it because I was just on this high, you know, like I, santa Cruz, invited me to go on a tour with them and like, so you weren't with them as a rider.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was. I was Okay, so you're on the flight team.
Speaker 1Yeah, they were my first, my first like proper big sponsor, okay, so I had america, and then santa cruz was the next one and yeah, so I was just like I had heaps of energy.
Speaker 3I was excited and so who else was on the tour? Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 1Yeah, you got jake wooten jake wooten, kieran woolley, kieran woolley, henry garland, uh, eric dresson, mario mccoy, red, I think that's it. I hope I'm not missing anyone else. A bit of a lineup. Yeah, it was sick, it was the coolest. Like there was like like in that video they talk about, there was a party van and then there was like a chill van and like eric dresson, mario mccoy and uh, someone else was in that van and it was like they were just looking over at our van, like they were so glad they weren't in that one, so you're in the party.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was in the party. I get what I was gonna ask her like, but what was it like being the only girl in the van?
Speaker 1it was fun. They like I'm just like a skater like them, so like it's not, like it's anything different. Um, I've always skated. I've grown up skating with guys, like I always skated with guys to to make me skate better. Um, I wish there was more girls around that I could have grown up skating with, because it it would have really been awesome to have that, but I didn't have that. So I always grew up skating with dudes. Um, but, yeah, yeah, that that back disaster, like I remember getting into it. And then I was like okay, I got into that real easy. And then I was like I tried it again, I think I slid out a bit and then I was like not next one, this is the one, I'm doing it right here. And third shot, I just, I just did it.
Speaker 1And I was rolling away and I was like holy shit.
Speaker 2Yeah, that would be so good.
Speaker 3And that rail too, that they just put up as well, like the rainbow rail there. It's not easy to step to that thing.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, is that an obstacle you like at that park? I?
Speaker 1do. If I really wanted to do it again, I could probably do it. I think I was trying one time I was trying to um front 180 out of it, like pole jam front 180, but it's just like it's because it's a double cannon. It's kind of weird to get into. You need like wide trucks, but yeah sick.
Speaker 3Yeah, have you ever skated those steve like it's like a? It's not. They're not a flat bank those walls yeah for me like being an older skater, they're like a new it's a new obstacle, like transition to flat. What do you actually call that wait is there an actual name it's a bank, yeah tranny to bank yeah, but it's a new obstacle that's come up in skate parks.
Speaker 2It's getting put up like sydney park has kind of a similar one, which and then well, where transition goes into, like a vert wall oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah never really had them before like that wall that one particularly is just whippy the one, I mean yeah you got to be ready when you come back in.
Speaker 3You got to hit that that's what I'm wearing, like they're not easy skate.
Speaker 1I think I dropped it in like when it first opened and I was like I just went for it and I knew it was going to be whippy and I like dropped it in, went for it. I was like okay, that was kind of easy. And then like I 50'd it and then that's why I was like I want to back, disaster it. You went up to 50 on it, yeah yeah, yeah, like backside 50-50. Yeah, so I did a backside 50 on it.
Speaker 2That'd be scarier than backdecker, I reckon.
Speaker 1Yeah, you reckon, I don't know.
Speaker 2Back deep for me, I was like holy shit.
Speaker 1Like I've got to lean all the way in, you know, and then like Henry Gartland back, noseblended it Amazing and like, if you miss that noseblend, like you're dropping.
Speaker 3There's nothing there. There's nothing. Yeah, I noticed in that edit like it's a 20-minute edit of the whole tour.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3And there's some, you know, images of you signing autographs with it seems like young female skaters. Yeah. Do you feel a sense of responsibility to be a role model for these?
Speaker 1yeah, up-and-coming skaters yeah, like do you take that?
Speaker 3seriously that responsibility I do.
Speaker 1I do like, um, yeah, for me, like I was working with some alcohol companies and, uh, it was getting to the point where I was like like it was sick, obviously, like when you're in your 20s, yeah, you're like, yeah, you're gonna take that opportunity to skate for alcohol company, um, but then I noticed that, like you know, it was probably not sending the best message for the younger generation. Um, so it was.
Speaker 1it was a cool thing while it lasted, but now I'm like all right, sweet, back off from that a bit, um, just to show, like you know, younger kids that there's like just to show, like you know, younger kids, that there's like you don't, like I was trying to like do the alcohol thing in a fun way, you know, like making it more comedy. Yeah, not like you're getting wasted, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Career Shift
Speaker 1So it was a hard it's. It's definitely hard to work with alcohol because, yeah, you've got to try and make it. Look, I don't know, it's just it's a hard one.
Speaker 3It is. It is a tricky one, yeah, but I also understand too like to maintain a certain lifestyle. You know, um, it does bring in and help make it more viable, right? So it's like this balance between how can I sustain this lifestyle, make it viable and then do good stuff, like I guess my question is like, do you have to mix in a little bit of that sort of stuff to keep you going, or are you past that now?
Speaker 1Yeah, like I mean for me, when Fireball came to me, like it was a no-brainer because I like got the fire hair, you know, like, and it kind of went hand in hand I was like this is so sick, like they were giving me really cool opportunities, same as Young Henry's. Young Henry's was going to like, pay for me to go to the Olympics, right. So yeah, basically the last Olympics I was trying to get into because I was at that level and I was like really training for it, trying to do that whole thing, and young henry's backed me and they were like, hey, we'll pay for you to go awesome. So I was, and they were the only company to reach out to do that. So I was like, all right, sweet.
Speaker 3And then covid happened, ruined everything, um okay, well, let's let's go back, because I think we're entering into a new phase of your life here, right, so like when you say, young henry's, we're going to pay for you to go to the olympics, like as a competitor.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah so they were going to like sponsor me, and I just put their stickers on my board and then so you, you were set to qualify. Yeah, yeah, I was trying to qualify the previous Olympics.
Speaker 2To Tokyo.
Speaker 1Yeah, to Tokyo, which it would have been kind of weird, I think, because of COVID, like all these skaters had to do quarantine. It just didn't look like a fun time, to be honest.
Speaker 3Skating to no crowd.
Speaker 1Yeah, like that's what they said. They said it was super weird.
Speaker 3So Kieran said what I had in mind. He's just like I'm used to people. I do a 540 or a kickflip, indie whatever, and then I've got the whole crowd.
Speaker 1And he goes.
Speaker 3I feed off that yeah.
Speaker 1But then he's like land, it's just silence, yeah, so, um yeah, basically I was like well, I'm not gonna go in the olympics, you know like, I'll just keep skating. And then that's when I created a tiktok yeah.
Speaker 3So it was kind of like you sort of went okay, I don't think it is for me after all, yeah, okay, and then just took a different direction yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1So basically I moved to sydney and then from the goldie, was trying out for the olympic staff. Um, when I moved to sydney I got in, I went in a while like I got a wild card to go to x games because I want to compete sydney skate park right sick did that came last, but it was like an because I won a comp at Sydenham Skate Park Right Sick Did that Came last, but it was like an experience, yeah. And then I think a year after that, I got invited like there was a due tour competition and it was for the Olympics, right.
Speaker 2And.
Speaker 1I actually entered in park and street. So I was actually like I was so cooked after I was like why did I do that? You know like it's a lot of skating to enter into both. Um, and then, yeah, once I like once covid happened and it kind of put a spanner in the works for not only me, for a lot of the olympians. They all didn't really want to go through that. Um, I was like you know what I want to just work and like I got a job in a skate shop here in sydney at basement you were in a basement, right?
Speaker 2yeah, I think that's the first time I kind of saw you yeah.
Speaker 1So I I wanted I was going to get a bar job. And then someone was like, oh, you should, you should hit up like a skate shop. You got a following, surely they'll hire you. And then I messaged them on instagram. They were like, oh, we're not hiring at the moment, but we'll, we'll definitely hire you. And I was like, okay, sick. So I started working in a skate shop, learned so much about skateboards. I was like there was so much I didn't know about and I was like, holy shit, like I feel like skate shops should like when you go in there, they should educate you on, on, like the tracks and like what, what, what this means for this and that you know. And that's what I would do when I learned it.
Speaker 1I would the new people that would come in, I would teach them exactly like how a truck size matches your board and, like I didn't even know that growing up no one told me that you know I was probably riding trucks too small for my board and stuff and I had no idea yeah, um, you ride 775 wide boards like us I think I started on a 775 I actually think I did and then we ride eight inch boards.
Speaker 2Yeah, I went up to eight eight and I went to eight one and then I went to eight, two. I've gone back down to eight.
Speaker 3And so what are you on now? Eight two, eight two, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1Do you like the wider board feel so for me it took years to get to an eight two. I was like, oh, I like transition and I also like street, so it's kind of like an in-between board. I can skate transition and straight comfortably on that width. But yeah, I was skating eight one-two-fives when I rode for Santa Cruz. And then once, yeah, I just like one day went up to eight. Oh no, because Santa Cruz had no more eight one-two-fives. They like ran out, and then I was like what the hell?
Speaker 1So I went up to eight-two and went up in truck size as well, right, and I was like, holy shit, like it just made, made a difference for me in transition.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was like I see I couldn't cope. I tried it. I couldn't cope. I said straight back to eight inch boards and yeah the trucks that match, and what are they? Indy one, three was that for?
Speaker 1did you like that? For I couldn't flip that for flat ground yeah.
Speaker 2I couldn't flip my board anymore. It was like I've gone back down to eight recently and now I can flip my board again. And then I see some of the kids some of the younger crew I skate with.
Speaker 3They all ride eight and a half inch boards, and then they hop on my eight inch board and do a flip trick and they're like, oh, this is so much easier.
Speaker 1I'm like, yeah, no shit, just because it's way too big, yeah, but yeah, I got big feet for a girl, like I got size eight men feet, so just having that little bit of extra room on the board as well feels yeah good.
Speaker 3I don't know so let's, let's go back. So I'm gonna get back. Actually, there's one question I want to ask you, like how old were you before you moved, when you moved to Sydney?
Speaker 1I was 26, 26, yeah, and what prompted the move?
Speaker 3Was it to continue?
Speaker 1you know, basically I met a guy and I like we kicked it off and, um, I moved here for him and then, and then, like I basically never left, I was like oh, I got a job in a skate shop and yeah cool.
Internet Fame and Real-Life Recognition
Speaker 1And then I started meeting lots of skaters and, um, yeah, I just kind of started vibing with sydney because I was working in a skate shop. I was like this is sick, yeah, meeting heaps of skaters through the skate shop and yeah, and then I started that's when I started the TikTok page, because there was like it was like a period of going into COVID and I was so bored in the skate shop so I was like, oh, what do I like? How can I make this more fun? And I just started making videos, reacting like being um customers that would come in. So, like you know, I was like I did one video where I was like the Bondi mom and like, and then I was like the, the skater dad, and like I was being these different personas and like making these funny videos, and I was like this is kind of funny, like I uploaded on tiktok and then they just started going viral.
Speaker 3So, yeah, you mean like okay, yeah, well, you answered my question. I was like, yeah, what it did, inspire it and you think it was just boredom?
Speaker 1yeah, it was. I was so bored.
Speaker 3It was during covid do you consider yourself a creative person?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3Cause they are quite creative.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm no actor or anything like it's do you think that's actually?
Speaker 3do you think that's evolved? Do you think you've become a better actor because of those clips?
Speaker 1Yeah, I guess, like I look back and on back on them now and I'm like, oh my God, like it's so bad, like I could have cut it a bit better, you know, and like edited it a bit better, um, but that's that comes with anything that you're starting off with. Like you start realizing like you can do it better and better and better and better, and it evolves, um. But yeah, it's definitely over the over the years, um, a lot of people thought it was cringe and like that's that's fine, let's talk about this.
Speaker 3It's like I mean, when it started to go viral, like how was that period of time, were you just tripping out?
Speaker 1it was, were you surprised? It was weird for me. I was like because I didn't really know what tiktok was. I just was like what even is this app, yeah, and then, and then I don't know, I got like 500,000 followers and I was like that's a lot of followers.
Speaker 2Can you engage on TikTok, who your followers are the same as Instagram as well.
Speaker 1It's like different TikTok's, like I feel like Instagram's more, like authentic and like you can like relate more and like have a relationship with people on there. Like I don't know you can message each other better and like there's stories you're watching stories on there, so it's like more engaging, whereas tiktok's like just an algorithm, so like that tiktok chooses if your video is going to go viral or not, you know and it's not really.
Speaker 3Do you know. Why, though? What have you have, you know?
Speaker 1because you've got experience.
Speaker 3So you actually, you don't actually no one knows why.
Speaker 1No, like, I bet I've asked, I've worked with tiktok and I asked them, like why? And they they don't know that you've actually worked with tiktok. Yeah, well, like they've invited me to um to go in and do workshops and like, yeah, like, yeah, tiktok parties and stuff.
Speaker 3But research, like they've invited you to help them with research and things like that.
Speaker 1Yeah, no shit, like not research, it's just like I went there to ask some questions, like I just wanted to know, like how do I get more viral videos? You know like, how do I do this?
Speaker 3They're like we don't know, like we, you know like how do I do this like we don't know, like we don't know how it works.
Speaker 1See, the machines are taking over, yeah it's like that, whereas instagram's gonna like push your videos forward to your followers more whereas tiktok will just push it out to like random people. I was gonna say hope that it does. Well it's. It's always the one that you're like this is going to be the dumbest video.
Speaker 3Like it's not going to do well, and it just goes boom Right. So you're aware of that, so do you think it's a bit of a lucky dip?
Speaker 1Well, back when I first started doing it, it wasn't like that. It was like I guess I was one of the only girls skaters on there at the time. Yeah, so you know Ricky Glasser, yeah, yeah, so he started one. And then he hit me up. He's like Amy, you should like create a TikTok page. No one, there's no girl skaters on there Like it'd be such a great thing for you to try out. He's like trust me. And I was like all right, I'll, I'll go for it.
Speaker 1And then I uploaded a video. I remember it was landscape. And he's like message me. He's like dude, take it off. Like it's gotta be portrait. And I was like rookie, oh yeah, okay, I think I left it on there. It's like still my first video on there, um, but yeah. Then I was like okay, so portrait. And then I uploaded like all my most viral videos from Instagram to Tik TOK. And then that's how it blew up and cause I was the only girl skater and I guess I was, yeah, just putting it out there to all the women, showing them like a different side of, because everyone was on there doing dances and like weird stuff.
Speaker 1And I was like let's put something like a bit of talent on there, you know like something else. And then, yeah, it was intriguing to a lot of women, because I think 70% or 75% of my followers are women on TikTok, which is totally different from Insta.
Speaker 3So you've been spoiled.
Speaker 1Insta's the other way, really yeah.
Speaker 3What do you mean the other way?
Speaker 1So it's male yeah like 70% male on Insta. I wonder why there's that difference.
Speaker 3I know why. Tell us why why.
Speaker 1I guess, like Instagram, you can post photos, so like you can do like thirst trap photos.
Speaker 3Right, right, you don't really do that though.
Speaker 1I checked out your profile. Yeah, like I guess, because I don't do it and then I'll upload like a bikini photo. Just goes nuts Like on a summer's day. Yeah like when it's summer.
Speaker 3But you don know like thirst trapping daily.
Speaker 2No, there's like there's people out there that have like their accounts and they're just thirst traps, you know just yeah, it's like a big thing, um.
Speaker 1But yeah, I kind of like started um doing my tiktok and like transitioning the tiktok videos that were funny over to Instagram. At the start I was like I was like I don't want to mix them because I was scared of what how my followers would see it on Instagram.
Speaker 2Like skaters Cause it was like a different yeah.
Speaker 1It was a whole different audience on my Insta. And then one day I was just like you know what, I don't care, like I don't care anymore, I'm just going to upload them to there because I think it's funny and trying to keep skateboarding lighthearted. And then, yeah, I just started uploading it and then I guess a lot of people weren't not too into it.
Speaker 3Listen like, this is what I want to go into. I mean, you've got almost 2 million followers on TikTok In terms of public visibility, how does it translate IRL? I mean, that's an acronym I heard by someone. Yeah, yeah, I'm not that cool.
Speaker 1There's people who notice me. I guess, do you get that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a while back I had like these kids are kind of aggressive. Hey, I was like kind of scared. So I was like leaving market city and these kids were like that's Amy Massey, but like full screaming. I was like, oh my god. And then they're like I was like, okay, that was crazy. And then I kept walking and they're like I know, that's you, amy Massey, turn around right now. And I was like, oh yeah, no, I'm not turning around. Like those kids are like really aggressive. I was like, but yeah, people like do come up to me. It's cool like inspiring younger girls come up to me all the time for sure.
Speaker 1Um, I did a video with page tobin little little page tobin. It went so viral. So, basically, like she was this I think she was four at the time or five and I got her to drop in that extension wall at um sydney park with me.
Speaker 2Like I lifted her up and, like we, dropped it in together and, um, yeah, like I blew her up, like, like she got.
Speaker 1I'm pretty sure she went from like 10,000 followers on Insta to like 300,000. So more than what I have on there. Like it just blew her up big time and I was like, wow, I did that, Like I started that for her, which was so cool to get her into it yeah. That's power. Yeah, so like that's why I do what I do, because I'm just trying to inspire like girls to get into skating. Yeah, awesome, yeah.
Speaker 3I love that you said that. Yeah, hey, can we get one of those TikTok clips up, whichever one you got there, and maybe Amy can talk us through one? All right, let's have a look at this one.
Speaker 1Let's have a look at this one. Yeah, I guess this is like taking it back to when you're a kid and you're looking at a big, like you're looking at a three-star, but it looks huge, like we've got the ipod, the old school it's supposed to be, when I was, like you know, first starting to like skate I love them.
Speaker 2I think gracie had it. I think it's like retro now.
Speaker 1She had the Nintendo DS and everything. But yeah, that's a funny.
Skateboarding, Viral Videos and Harley Davidson
Speaker 3Okay. How many views has that had approximately? I have no idea.
Speaker 1I mean it's probably got a couple mil. A couple mil, I don't know. I'd have to look it up, okay.
Speaker 3Yeah, Can we look at another one, Jock? What's the next one we've got up? Oh my God this one, when skaters find a spot.
Speaker 1This one went super viral, really On Instagram as well. And then, like these guys in Barcelona, I think, they copied the exact same video, used my sound and everything, no. And then people were commenting saying, like you copied these guys. I was like, oh, check the date. Like I made that video first. How did that make you feel, I don't know, I was sweet, like I inspired people to create what I created. Nice, okay that's cool.
Speaker 3It is a sign of yeah, I guess that's the greatest sort of compliment. Yeah, um, when you mimicked, I like this part where there's like the beautiful mind um like, imagine like walking, were you just humping the step?
Speaker 1yeah, that's why I was laughing at the start is that a thirst trap? No, it's just basically like how you meant, how like skaters, when you see a really good spot, you're just like look how good this is. Like I always go to a spot and then I'm like looking at the stairs, like people probably driving past, like why is this? Just staring at stairs? You know what I mean? Like yeah, do you do you think that? Oh for sure, just like, what are these people doing?
Speaker 3Or you walk down a set of stairs with a rail and you sort of stop and look at the rail and everyone's like what are they looking at?
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm just looking at the handrail. Like there was this viral clip the other day I'd just seen and I think it's called Skate Wife. The clip the Inst and this this wife of a skater is filming her husband like looking at a rail and stairs and she's like the commentary's so funny. It's like this guy looks like he's trying to work out how to walk downstairs. Like it's like his first time ever seeing a stair set and trying to work out how do you get down these stairs. Like the commentary on.
Speaker 2It was so funny, but he was just checking out the rail and like the speed of how to get up the stairs like skate wife?
Speaker 3I have to check it out. Yeah, uh, have you had a walker ryan uh, skater in america? I had him on episode 100, if you're listening. Yeah, um, he went on a european vacation with his girlfriend, yeah, but it was meant to be just like a romantic trip, but he's seen all these sick spots. He's like, oh, and then he's got all these awesome videos like of his girlfriend, like all dressed up, ready to go out for dinner, in like high heels and stuff, and then like follow, filming him and filming him like trying to do a switch trade down the gap and stuff in in greece or somewhere.
Speaker 1It's like so funny yeah, I'm, I'm a sucker for the, the funny videos, and then, like I made so many of them that I'm like I've ran out of ideas and I'm like trying to get that creative side back again, but it's it's hard, like trying to come up with different ideas how often do you try to? Post, I mean like an actual like like I haven haven't posted much comedy stuff in skating because I've been so busy with all these like with Harley Davidson.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Crazy, which is sick, like I'm learning how to ride, so it's like a whole. I've been hella busy with all that, but I've got like I actually have a couple of funny video ideas lined up to film over the next couple weeks, so you will see them soon let's, let's.
Speaker 3Can we talk about harley davidson? I mean, that's when I seen the. I mean, they gave you a motorbike yeah, so basically it's a loan.
Speaker 1Okay, they're loaning me the bike. They pay for the rego, they pay for the like um insurance, all that stuff you just keep swapping them out yeah yeah, so basically like as you get better, you get better bikes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1So harley was like um, we want you to do a learn to ride program. We think you're the right fit for our brand. And I was like dude, this is so sick, like it's been on my bucket list my whole life to learn how to ride right and I was like, what, what a good way to learn how to ride right.
Speaker 1And I was like what, what a good way to learn how to ride through harley. Um, so they paid for my course to go do get my l's and never ridden a bike before in my life and I aced it. I was like, okay, this is way easier than driving a manual car. And then, yeah, like they, they dropped off the bike to me, put a skate mount on the side of the bike.
Speaker 1Oh no way, yeah and like. So I got a little rack like for my skateboard and everything and I've been riding a lot lately. I'm just trying to get used to it. It's scary in Sydney, it is Riding. It's not like. It's not me I'm worried about, it's the other people on the road.
Speaker 2Okay, it's not like. It's not me I'm worried about, it's the other people on the road.
Speaker 1Okay, Like people just, oh, yeah, them doing something. I feel like people like after riding. Now I feel like everyone should go for their motorbike license because it will make drivers aware of riders on the road. Like now, when I drive my car, I'm constantly looking out for bikes. Yeah, it just made me more aware of that yeah, so I just.
Speaker 3It's funny, I just got my motorbike license this year as well yeah, true, so we're gonna go for a ride, yeah, yeah well, I've been looking out for a motorbike.
Speaker 3I was gonna buy like a vespa, yeah. So I just saw around town but I think I've got to get something bigger. But you're right, like get a harley. Like when you go to, like say, a third world country where there's no road rules, everyone rides defensively and there's no road rage, there's no road rules, but there's no road rage. But then you come to Australia and sorry, there's like it's aggressive and there's road rage. You know, and if you're on a motorbike, yeah, yeah, you're definitely riding defensively, aren't you?
Speaker 1I think when, like, I was away on a trip and Corey Duffel was like he's like dude, like I want to let you know, like it's sick that you're getting on Harley, but like, just so you know you're going to fall off and you're going to eat shit, and I'm like thanks, man, wise words. And he's like no'm serious, like because he's he used to have a motorbike, he's fallen off, he's eaten shit heaps. And I was like bro, I know, I know I'm gonna fall off this thing one day, but I'm, I'm doing it, you know yeah I mean it's like, do you live your life in fear of what might happen?
Speaker 1yeah, and he just he was saying like if, if you ride your bike like you skate yeah expect to like, yeah, like really hurt yourself because like you send it. So yeah, that's what I mean, I'm like bro, you you send so hard, like um. But yeah, he, he, I think he sold his bike because he's he rides it like he skates. So he's like, he's like I'm to lose my life if I keep this thing.
Speaker 3So you get a lot of, would you say. Overall, you get mainly love comes out of your social media accounts.
Speaker 1Yeah, like I get hate, but like I don't really. How do you manage that? I don't really care.
Speaker 2It's like it's just more engagement.
Speaker 1You know, for me it's like, if you want to leave a comment like, yeah, please, I don't care.
Speaker 2If you want to talk shit, yeah if you don't engage, yeah, because I don't engage.
Speaker 1Like there might be one time like I just I might like try and say something funny back like as a joke, but then it just like spirals you know what I mean. So there's no point in even responding.
Speaker 3It's just like leave it. Sorry to cut you off, amy. I just feel like a negative comment on social media just has no weight. It's just, it doesn't mean anything if like it just and it gets forgotten so quickly by people. And I just find it interesting when people allow themselves to get caught up in a debate, in comments or an argument. I'm just like really.
Speaker 1Yeah, because it doesn't end it doesn't end. I learned that when I first started getting some pretty hateful comments and when I first started getting big on social media, I was copying it a lot and I didn't know how to take it. What was the main?
Speaker 3criticism.
Speaker 1Everything Like I guess like the TikTok side of it was what changed it, because people thought like I just started skating or something, like I just started getting into the scene and I was like dude, I've been in the fucking skate scene my whole life, yeah okay. I know a lot about skateboarding and people just thought I didn't know shit and like I used to skate in, like you know, short shorts and like crop tops and stuff and like apparently it was too girly, you know, like no, you weren't still getting that kind of shit?
Speaker 1yeah, like I copped it. I've copped heaps um for you know, just dressing like that and I'm just like dude. This is what I'm comfortable with. I know everyone has to. You know, wear baggy clothes and look like a dude skating like. Yeah right, I mean I want to inspire that side of the market as well with you know, girly, girls, it's like anyone can do this. And don't get me wrong, like, look at me now I'm wearing baggy stuff, like I it is pretty cold yeah why aren't you?
Speaker 1wearing short shorts today it's only 10 degrees outside yeah, so I don't know um what else they hated me for, I don't know laughing about it it's usually just bait half the time to like get you going and then yeah, actually yeah and they just they're commenting those things to get a react, reactment. Um yeah, so if you don't give them anything, it's like there's nothing to that comes from it yeah yeah, and I just leave the comments out and get cause I I read them and I laugh.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 1And like I'll go home to my mates and I'm like, well, you look at this one, you know it's for me, it's funny.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1But there's a lot of. I get a lot more obviously. I get a lot of positivity, um, from people, way more than the negativity. Yeah, Um, yeah. When I first started getting all those bad comments, it was like what, Like I was taking it to heart, you know. Yeah, of course, and then I realized I was like okay, like you can't let that get to you, because you're just going to like constantly be down.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3So Do you think it's been part of your own personal growth, learning that resilience?
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, 100%. It came with age as well. Like I think, I hit 30 and I was like why do I care? You know what I mean. Like in your 20s, like in your teens, you kind of care a lot about what people think of you. And then you hit 30 and you're just like this is me.
Speaker 3And isn't it a beautiful space? Yeah, I mean it feels like it's clicked earlier for you. For me it took longer before I started to be just really like embracing exactly who I am and not scared to express it anymore. So it's rad that you've learned it.
Speaker 1Well, the other night, like I did this, like I did this ad at Water waterloo and they like turned the lights off. Um for this ad, for I don't know if I can announce it yet, but it was a glow-in-the-dark ad thing like so they needed the lights off and the locals were going nuts like they were so mad.
Speaker 1Oh, like people were skating yeah, yeah, yeah and like, but they had, like, they got permission to have the skate park and all this stuff. Um, it was all night, like they turned the lights off, everyone rocked up to skate and then they realized, oh, what the hell is this?
Speaker 1and here I am just like shit like I'm about to go over here and they're gonna know that I'm a part of this and they'll start talking heaps of smack like I can't believe this is happening, like, and I'm like, yeah, I know right, she's like I can't believe it. And then next minute they're like hey, amy, we need you over here. And I'm like, um, so yeah, like people, get annoyed with that, but it's like one night.
Speaker 3I'm sure they can a few hours of skating. How long are? Were they going to skate? For you know, come on.
Speaker 1It was so sick. It was the coolest shoot ever Like Shoot, shoot, shoot. Ah, I got to like sess lad through glow sticks, sick Like fluid and like smash glow stick fluid with a skateboard and stuff. It was the coolest thing. Do you love doing that stuff? I just love glowing the dark stuff. No, like they had everything set out. I can't wait to see what it's going to look like. It's going to be the coolest ad. Right, right, yeah, yeah, I'll have to send it to you when it comes out.
Speaker 3Wow, so like how would you describe your job title? How do you describe yourself? Like, let's say, you're on an international flight and you've got to fill out your occupation?
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's funny when I do that. I write skateboarder and like it's. No one ever questions that. But yeah, I guess like, well, my, my resume would be content creator and skateboard Olympic judge. Yes, epic. So that's, they're my two main things. So I create content for brands and skateboarding is cool. So a lot of brands want to work with skateboarders, which is so awesome because it's bringing money to individuals. Um, and, like you know, I'm I'm not putting out parts anymore like my. I want to. I definitely want to this year to be my 20, 20 years of skateboarding yes and I want to do 20 tricks for 20 years.
Speaker 1Yes, that's the to this year to be my 20 years of skateboarding. Yes, and I want to do 20 tricks for 20 years. Yes, that's the plan this year, but yeah, so just yeah.
Speaker 3Content creating and Olympic judge Jock what do you want to get up? We'll get up the next TikTok. This is fun. I've got to be straight Like I actually don't have tiktok. Yeah, just because I've got busy life too and I was like I'm just gonna keep it.
Speaker 1It's probably a good thing you don't have it, because it's very it's just like you could sit there all day watching. What was that? Um, I was trying to switch crook into the bank but I just kept dying a. Let's see, this was a bit of a thirst trap video, I guess. Right, I don't think that's thirst trapping, but yeah like this is what is thirst trapping.
Speaker 3Sorry, I feel like an old man. What is exactly thirst trapping?
Speaker 1I guess, like looking hot towards the camera, like looking sexy and like I don't know. I guess is that what it is?
Speaker 3But is it necessarily like revealing your body?
Speaker 1Yeah, I guess. So, like the guys that thirst trap, like they're going to have their shirt off. They're going to like rub their body all this weird stuff.
Speaker 3Wait, I'm just taking some notes here. Rub the body down.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know if they get a lot of followers from it.
Speaker 3So okay, how did this one go view-wise.
Speaker 1It was sick. Honestly, I'd have to go in and have a look. I think maybe a million, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3So many people. Do you ever think like imagine you put all of those people in one room?
Speaker 1Yeah, like that's really what's going on in one room. Yeah, like that's really what's going on, it's, it's.
Speaker 2when you say it like that, I'm like holy shit, yeah, that's a lot, yeah, of people a lot yeah, do you have a formula when you try and put them together, though, in yourself, or you just like don't think about it too much?
Speaker 1um well, this, this clip, um especially, was edited by one of my old filmers, so I guess like, yeah, I knew what I was trying to do in this clip, but he put it all together and made it look really good. Yeah, I don't know how to skate and have fun you do.
Speaker 3It's so sick, like like I was just saying, like what a life you lead and I really feel like, going back to the start of the conversation, it's like we can create our lifestyle by design. Yeah, this day and age, and people are gonna hate on it, I kind of feel like it sounds like you already have this mindset of like well, let them hate, right?
Speaker 1yeah, yeah, I don't. I honestly don't care, like, not everyone's gonna love you. You know what I mean. You're always gonna have people that aren't that fond of you, and that's fine, like. And for people out there, like you know, that are going through that on social media and they're worried about what people say like don't, who cares, why do? You care like that's their opinion. You got your own opinion, like, just keep doing what you love yes, is that how you feel, steve, when you do art like?
Speaker 3do you feel like when you're creating an art piece, you are creating it so it appeals to as many people as possible, or is it because it just feels good for you personally?
Judging Skateboarding in the Olympics
Speaker 2yeah, you're not thinking about and you shouldn't. Yeah, I don't think about anyone looking at it. It's completely personal and it's a hope I. Once you put it out there, once it goes on a wall, obviously, then you're like or anything you're doing is a public. Then you start thinking about how people are going to react, but you're not thinking about, well, some people might be, but I don't think about whether they're going to like it or not, and it's usually just, yeah, super personal, personal, and it's almost like you can't, you can't let that be the way the director of producing that thing, because then you've just lost yeah, exactly why you're doing it.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's as long as you know what you're doing yeah, and like you're having fun doing those clips and you can tell you're having fun. It's like hilarious and cheesy and funny and that's cool.
Speaker 3But that's cool yeah so the skate judging like, did I ask you, how did you get into it? Like what, what's, what triggered it and who, what was? What was the path to getting that gig?
Speaker 1yeah, it's crazy. Like how do you get into this? Um, so basically they asked me if I would like to compete, uh, for this olympics, and I I basically came back and I was like listen, I'm, I don't want to compete in the Olympics anymore. Like so, you got offered to compete in Paris.
Speaker 1Well, like yeah, I got offered to do the qualifyings and and go down the Olympic pathway again, because I didn't get to do it the first time. But for me, like I want to win. You know what I mean. And I know winning involves me jumping down like the big set, like skating the big obstacles which I I kind of sorry I keep moving your mic around I can't, uh, I can't do anymore. You know I can't, I can't hit that big stuff anymore and that's what you got to do to win, um. So I basically said give it to the next girl. You know, let them, let them go for it. And then they were like sweet, and six months later, um, renton Miller contacted me and was like hey, amy, like, um, um, they want you to judge for street. Like are you keen? And I'm like what? And he's like, yeah, garrett hill like mentioned he really wants you as a skate judge. And I was like, are you serious? He's like, yeah, dude, he's like come and judge one of my park comps. I'll like look over you and see how you judge it. And then, yeah, I'll see, see how you go. So I did that when it judged a fivecom. And then he was like dude, you know what you're doing. Like you've skated, you've competed for 15 years, like you know how to judge skateboarding and, to be honest, like I used to sit in my living room judging street league and being like you know 9.4, like calling out, calling out the numbers, and I'd always be on like just spot on. It was crazy, um. So I was like you know what? Yeah, I'll try it.
Speaker 1So they sent me over to rome and, uh, that was the most intense week of my life. Why? Because it was like the travel to get there. And then you, I'm like super jet lagged. I'm judging for the first time for an Olympic series. So I was like nervous as all hell. I was like, oh my God, like why am I, you know? Like questioning everything, like why am I the one going over here, what, what am I going to be good at this, you know?
Speaker 1And then so being jet lagged, and then it was like 40 degrees every day and the the air con in the tents weren't working, like it was just blowing hot air. So what was like 38 degrees felt like 45 degrees, and then we're sitting there for 13 hours like judging 250 men and like 170 women or something like that, and I'm like almost passing out in the booth and they had to, like someone had to come and bring an ice pack and put it on my neck because I was gonna. I was like I'm gonna vomit, like I need a bucket, because I thought I was. I was like starting to lose my vision and I'm like trying to judge this comp. Yeah, it was full, like it was full on, um, but yeah, like I worked out the end of that week, I was like, wow, I actually really like doing this and I'm kind of good at it. So, um, I guess Garrett Hill was like dude, you, you're awesome at this, like.
Speaker 1And then I started getting invited as a, as a judge, to all these, the next ones. So there was, like I've been to Rome, switzerland, uh, japan, dubai, china, I think that's everywhere I've been so far. And then Paris, well, I go to Budapest on the 16th. You just got back from Shanghai.
Speaker 1I just got back from Shanghai and that was like the first Olympic qualifying series for having like rock climbing, break dancing, bmx and skateboarding, which was so cool. I got to go watch a bit of break dancing rock climbing how sick is that? Bmxx. I was like this is like all the coolest sports in the olympics and I get to like hang out and like, yeah, it was so sick, what a life man. Budapest budapest is next um, which I've heard is just like amazing for skate spots so I'm pretty keen to go there, yeah, and then yeah after that.
Speaker 1Um, I actually just got my flight sent to me yesterday for paris, yeah, so it's all set in.
Speaker 3Nervous, I'm pretty nervous, yeah what is it like in the judging booth when there's like some hard decisions to be made, like I don't envy judges, when it's like really close, we?
Speaker 1put a lot of like, we're putting a lot into it. So we're there like watching practice for for literally 13 hours a day, yeah. So we're taking notes where we know. We kind of know what we're going to see, um, before it happens. So we've already spoken about like how, where that would sit on the scale and kind of thing you know okay so um, yeah it.
Speaker 1I mean, it can get intense, I guess, if say someone like does a new trick that we've never seen before, and then you like got to quickly work out like, how do where does this trick sit with like a similar trick you know how do you even do that? Well, yeah, that's why there's like five of us.
Speaker 2I didn't go. No, I was overseas still yeah.
Speaker 3Sorry, keep going yeah.
Speaker 1That's why there's six judges, because we're like Right, there's a head judge, five judges, so so Garrett Hill is the head judge, then you've got Vanessa Torres, corey Duffel, jb Gillet and Danny LeBron and then me. So it's a crazy lineup.
Speaker 3But that's a lot of experience, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that's what you need.
Speaker 3How does it feel to be like mentioned amongst those names?
Speaker 1Like why am I here? What do you mean? Why am I here? Nah, I'm just kidding. It's like, it's amazing, like holy shit. You know For sure, even Vanessa, like I, grew up watching her skate, so just being now, we're like good homies.
Speaker 3Obviously We've travelled the world together now, and I was like I can't believe, like I grew up watching you skate and now we're just like judging the olympics together it's crazy, just that, just to hear that statement judging the olympics again I never thought I'd hear it in my lifetime it is.
Speaker 1It's crazy like that. Yeah, they're like you've got to judge skateboarding um, because it is such a individual sport, you know.
Speaker 3Well, that was leading into one of my questions. I mean, there's a spectrum, I think, with people in skateboarding who see it as an art or as a sport. If I had to put myself on that spectrum, I'd be tending towards. I see skateboarding as an art. Yeah yeah, as you're a skate judge, but where do you see yourself on that spectrum?
Speaker 1I mean, I see it as many different things and I'm sure everyone does, but I think what the Olympics is bringing to skateboarding is money and opportunities for these skaters to like make it big and like actually make good money and, like you know, buy themselves a house or whatever.
Speaker 3Cause, let's face it, they're breaking their fucking yeah and there's no conversation.
Speaker 1Actual sports Like these skaters are winning 50,000 for first prize in the Olympics, Sure Supreme. And then if they're like, if they win the Olympics, you know their country, depending on the country is going to pay probably millions, because you've won gold for their country and it's endless opportunities for these kids, which is great and it's getting skate parks built, let's face it.
Speaker 3Yeah, facts, it's making those campaigns for people at local council level. It's making those campaigns so much easier. Local, at local council level. It's making those campaigns so much easier. When they go we want a skate park? The council's like no, oh. What about the olympics?
Speaker 2the council's go, oh, okay, olympics, yeah, yeah it's been crazy, since it has made it easier let's look how many skate parks are in city now, I know I want to go check out that um lane cove.
Speaker 1I've heard it looks sick.
Speaker 3Lots of transitions and they built it into the side of a cliff, yeah.
Speaker 1and then there's like neon lights there. Oh, there's a neon light. Yeah, like on that wall that they've built into the rock. There's like blue lights on it.
Speaker 3Oh has there it just looks really cool at night. So they've put some store into like art direction.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2It into like art direction. Yeah, yeah, it's very arty, yeah sick. I like you've been there, I haven't actually even seen it.
Speaker 1No, I haven't seen pictures of it. Oh man, it's. It looks amazing. Yeah, yeah, it just looks hella slippery right now, like that's why I haven't gone there yet. I'm waiting for it to like.
Speaker 3Yeah lose that first layer you know, I love.
Speaker 1I'm like a massive, huge fan of DIY skate parks, like that's what I love to skate.
Speaker 3Yeah, that texture.
Speaker 1It just makes it like so much more rewarding doing like a trick on something like that, totally.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a lot of challenge, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's like it could just be like a trick that would be deemed easy in a skate park, but because you did it on this really sketchy ground and obstacle, yeah.
Speaker 1And you can like eat a lot of shit.
Speaker 2The obstacle might actually collapse while you're skating.
Speaker 1You don't even know if it's working it's like built by skateboarders, like skateboarders, and everyone comes together and like puts in all this money like it sick. I donate money all the time to DIY parks.
Speaker 3What's your?
Speaker 1favorite DIY.
Speaker 3Have you got one?
Speaker 1There's one on the Goldie in Tweed. What's it called? I can't remember what it's called.
Speaker 3There's a few People are getting so much better at it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember what it's called, but it's in Tweed just past Teed heads and that place is so sick.
Speaker 2You know cam, oh you're gonna mention his name.
Speaker 1Is it courtside? Yeah?
Speaker 3courtside. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2What's the one where he's made this the couch thing?
Speaker 1yeah that place is the best, yeah and it's in the middle of nowhere right, and they've been smart about it.
Speaker 3They've got to go fund me and yeah, if you're listening, go and go and donate. Please donate to that, because we need more stuff but I love that too, like that sense of community. And going back to covid, when skate parks were closed, like well, there's a diy spot near where I lived and it was like no one could go and do anything. But we could actually have this place and police would like drive past like should we bust them? Are they exercising? Is that they're not at a skate park, but they're exercising?
Speaker 3uh, they didn't know what to do with this oh, it just became like such a place of solace for so many people in that area, as opposed to being at home in isolation and then yeah they were able to still commune and like it was.
Speaker 1I got in heaps of trouble, eh why?
Speaker 3because, yeah, oh, because you were posting about it, right, well, yeah.
Speaker 1It's so bad, but I took the opportunity to, so I seen on the Gold Coast that all these skaters went to Wet n' Wild and they skated the slides, did they?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1And I seen it and I was like I want to do that and I was so bummed that I wasn't on the goldie for it. I was like damn, like I could be there doing that. And then I was like wait, there's a water park here in sydney. And my housemate at the time I was like hey, like do you want to, do you want to come skate this? And she was like a trooper and she's like, yep, let's go, like let's, let's go skate this. So we went and uh, it was out of the 5k radius. I was like, whatever, we got there, found a way in and there was workers there. No one stopped us. We walked in, skated all the, all the slides. I made like a clip of me sneaking in, like, skating the slides, posted it on tiktok. Yes, got like seven million views and people were tagging the water park and what they do.
Speaker 1Uh, they contacted the police and my full name was on my TikTok, so it was pretty easy for the cops to find me. And I copped a private phone call, like private ID phone call, and I was like I'll bet you any money, this is the cops. And and it was Wow. And they were like, oh, this is Constable Such and Such from Blacktown Police, you're going to have to come in. And I was like what, what for? He's like I think you know what you've done. And then I, yeah, I had to go in for a like uh, I guess an interview with the police. But I took a lawyer with me. So one of my mates he's a big lawyer, this is like serious.
Speaker 3He was like I'll like come and do it for free no, you're good, I just want I want you to sound as keep going um, he's like, oh yeah, teach me, teach me how to skate and I'll like be a lawyer for free, basically.
Speaker 1And I was like done, that's sick deal, right. So he came in with me to this police interview and, yeah, they were basically like dude, like are you serious? Like why did you do this? I was like as if you're not going to, like it's an opportunity, like this has been something I've wanted to do my whole life is skate. A water park, it's COVID, the water's off. Like I didn't wreck anything, but apparently I influenced a lot of other skaters to go there.
Speaker 1Obviously it got went viral, that clip. So that's why they were like pretty bummed about it. And then I basically paid like a fine for trespassing and he was going to get me for like being out of the 5k radius and when that was like going to be a thousand dollars, it was like all these things that they were going to add on top. But because I had my lawyer there, like I don't think they did. I don't know they didn't do it because I know that the people on the goldie that got busted, they had to pay like 15 000 each for leaving their gt or their area for I don't know, trespassing like this they've had to pay like big trespassing yeah, and I guess maybe they wrecked the slide or I don't know, but they had to pay big money right whereas I got out of it pretty lucky.
Speaker 1Um, and then, right at the end I'm just gonna say it because it happened so long ago and I don't even know who the cop was but, um, right at the end, the guy like turned his camera off and he was like hey, amy, like I just want to say, my brothers think you're so sick and I was like why are you finding me? Can I get a selfie? Why are you giving me a phone right now? But yeah, that happened after like he turned the thing off.
Speaker 3I was just like but I want to say something you said that they said to you oh, you influence so many people to do the same thing. Yeah, I'm like no, fuck that. Like those people didn't have to do the same thing they chose to do it. Yeah, and this is what I'm so sick of in our society of people not taking personal responsibility. Yeah, you chose to do it and you dealt with the consequences.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But don't go.
Speaker 1Oh well, they did it. So, like I did it because they did it, so, yeah, and they, the people that went and watched my clip, they actually like wrecked the slides, so they were going to charge me for that. And I was, like you can see in the video, like I purposely didn't, like I wasn't grinding anything or doing anything, like that was just rolling and, like you know, just using the slides as like a ramp. Yeah, it wasn't like I damaged anything and because of that I just got the trespassing fine, but it's rad how you turn up a lawyer that didn't want to get paid.
Speaker 3Are you serious?
Speaker 2did you teach this guy?
Speaker 1must be a good dude. Yeah, well, I'm still.
Speaker 3I still need to teach you, if you're listening, evan speaking of diy spots, let's talk about kieran woolly ollieing in man to that tree, roof to tree did you hit like there was one of those slams?
Skateboarding Stories and Epic Slams
Speaker 1I swear you can hear the thud of his head hitting the ground.
Speaker 3I'm like when he just sort of hit the edge of the road yeah the concrete, yeah have you seen the new rough cut that um indy put out? So, indy, you've done like a yeah, yeah, yeah you've seen it? Yeah, and it's just like he went there four times. Yeah, I just watched that went. Like I know I love skateboarding, but I watched that went. Fuck, I love skateboarding.
Speaker 1Yeah, like only a skater would think of that, you know. And then him like after rolling away and like just you know his laugh, that he has.
Speaker 3So, good. And did you know that, like he went to give one of the cameramen? Because he had a few cameramen, yeah, like Rono was one of them, right, and some? Oh, who was the other guy? Jesse, someone. Anyway, he went to give him a high five as he's recording with the camera, because he was so hyped and it knocked the battery out of the camera and lost the footage. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, and it was like they're like fuck, you might have to do that again.
Speaker 3But it turns out rhino did get the, got the angles and got an iphone angle as well, so it was okay, but he went there four times and got beat up every single time, and this is what I want to talk to you about. It's like you know what skaters do you think blend sport and and art like I think kieran does it the best. Like he's an olympian, yeah, but then he's out in the streets yeah, something like that and doing that shit yeah, who else? Who else do you think's doing it? Well, uh, I'm sorry, it's a hard question.
Speaker 1On the spot, but me niger, well niger is a yeah like he does it all um. If you look at, like any of the big, top, top um big guns, you know, in the olympics they're, they're all doing it pretty well um, a lot of them are getting, like you know, fashion label, fashion label like Louis Vuitton, and like big, like, big label, like like this is crazy, but I'm with you, amy.
Speaker 3Like I love seeing skateboarders make money. Yeah, I love it. You know I don't begrudge it. Yeah, like, go for it. No, it's, it's so hard to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2It's about time. It's like what?
Speaker 1percentage of skaters make money off skating. I want to, like I'm saving up to buy a house, I want to build a skate park in my backyard. That's the goals. Like, I want to have property. That's what I'm working towards, you know, do you think you'll stay in Sydney area or go?
Speaker 3back to no.
Speaker 1Yeah, Goldie for sure.
Speaker 1Like my whole family's in the Goldie. It's cheaper to buy up there, starting to get expensive, but yeah, it's like it's cheaper than sydney. I don't think I would ever be able to afford in sydney, to be honest, day it's not, and it's not somewhere where I see myself living for the rest of my life. I've, um, I grew up by the beach. You know another backstory. Like I moved to fiji when I was 24 years old and lived on a remote island with no running water, no power, and lived with a Fijian family and surfed every day. So, like I, like you, know island vibes and like just having a beach close by it's like that's real special to me.
Speaker 3Yeah, you don't like trucks beeping their horn at 6 am.
Speaker 1No, that's what happened this morning. I'm so tired from that, oh yeah wow, so interesting.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's epic amy. So yeah, feeling tired from talking, yeah, I'm feeling I feel good.
Speaker 1I feel good hanging out with you too.
Speaker 3Have you got any more clips there, jock? Have we done them all?
Speaker 1Last one, okay, oh, is this the tuck knee maybe?
Speaker 3Oh, no, this one yeah true, and people tell you they make it look so easy. That is pretty sick.
Speaker 1Yes, I think Skate Moss was like at the end of that clip. She's like Amy's my favorite skater. Now, that's where is that? That's in San Diego, okay, and it is the funnest spot. It's fun. I actually, um, I died on that spot. Eh why. What were you doing? So in another clip? This is so bad. In another clip, I like had a fireball and I and I, I, I board, slid it while sculling a fireball. Like a shot, yeah, like a little bottle of it. Oh, okay, like one of those little tiny shots, yeah, bar fridge, and uh, yeah.
Speaker 1So I sculled it while I was board sliding and then like I was like, oh, I got confidence from the fireball and I was like I want to try front lip it and I never really do front lips on ledges or anything and then everyone's like, yeah, you got that. And then I got into it like two and I was like, oh, I've got this next try. And I was like just went for it and fully thought I was gonna do get into the front lip. A full committed, hit my board on this on the start of the ledge.
Speaker 1So I just went whack and just like, oh, like you got on too early yeah, like I like, like just basically like that's ledge and like I hit here, like my board just went whack and I went like that, so I smashed my chin and like my chest and I was winded and I remember like lying on the ground and I was like, oh my god, like I'm in so much pain, and then my mouth was hurting so much and I was like, oh my god, like are my teeth there?
Speaker 1because my mouth was bleeding and everyone's like yeah, yeah, your teeth are there. Your teeth are there, and I was like no, like there's something wrong with my mouth, like please make sure my teeth are all there. They're like dude, your teeth are there and they're like your chin is open, like I've got a scar on the hair, no, but like it was just open like this big gash, and I was like I touched it and they're like don't touch it. I was like I didn't know, you know straight to the bone.
Speaker 1But what happened was why my mouth was bleeding. This is what hurt more than my chin. I had actually bitten a chunk from the inside of my cheek, so like I bit a whole chunk out and that's why my mouth was bleeding.
Speaker 2But yeah, that that spot like lucky was fun until that happened I was gonna ask you what's your gnarliest slam with the knee thing, but maybe that's it.
Speaker 1Have you had any other really bad slams? I did have one. I had a really gnarly one which is still giving me problems now at that Miranda Bowl. I haven't skated yet. I haven't skated either.
Speaker 2It's huge Like a big bowl.
Speaker 1It is a massive bowl. Me and George Richards we were dropping it in just like, cruising around doing fly outs like being idiots. So I was like we're just having fun. And then I dropped it in like I don't know, 10 times, nothing, like like it's easy. And then this next one I dropped in, lent too far forward and got speed wobbles and just got pitched like full force into a wall and like the whole right side of my body whiplash Um, just like I have.
Skateboarding Tips and Longevity
Speaker 1I still have like fluid in my in my hip from it and yeah, it just was one of the worst slams I've had in a long time.
Speaker 3You know, it's always when you least expect it.
Speaker 2Yeah, totally Like when you just cruise especially on training too like yeah, when you just hook up on something you're on the flat before you even think about it.
Speaker 3But like with the advent of all these new polished skate parks. Yeah, like I know I do now go around and check, like if, like there's there's too much dust on a certain section.
Speaker 1Yeah, because sometimes like that real fine dust on those polished skate parks and bowls, like I just get too excited a I just go like straight in like guys, I think I'm like I don't even want to warm up, I'm just like I just want to skate, yeah, but I can't.
Speaker 3I have to warm up now, yeah actually you know what's helped me to keep the longevity going is like rolling foam rolling before a skate oh man, that thing's amazing that just seems like the best warm-up, better than stretching. For some reason yeah, I don't know why just because it fires the nerve endings as well.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I've got these normatic like normatic compression yeah, are they good yeah? Yeah, right so worth it.
Speaker 1Okay, like definitely, if you can afford them, get a pair they. If you've got like jelly legs the next day, you just put them on, you're ready to go again. So all the lactic acid goes. I have to check All those Olympians are using them.
Speaker 3Crazy. Yeah, well, listen, it's been so epic and it's pouring rain. It's probably one of the rainiest days in Sydney. Great day for a podcast. I hope it doesn't affect the audio. But days in Sydney, great day for a podcast. I hope it doesn't affect the audio.
Speaker 1But anyway, is there anything else you want to finish on, amy? I'll finish with just have fun in life, skate every day and be kind to people.
Speaker 3Nice, you're a pleasure, amy Massey, everyone you.
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