Joe Exotic (The Tiger King)

Joe Exotic is a reality TV star, country music singer, presidential candidate and former zoo owner.  His Netflix show "Tiger King" was one of the most successful TV shows for Netflix to date.  In this episode we discuss his treatment in prison, attempting to get a new trial, euthanasia of people and animals, his feud with Carole Baskin and more!

00:00 - Intro
00:13 - Joe Exotic Health Update
01:02 - Treatment in Prison
02:02 - Corrupt Guards, Jeffery Epstein & Whitey Bulger
03:06 - Big Cat Safety Law
06:06 - Euthanasia
09:48 - Tiger Cubs
10:39 - Barbie Stance
11:45 - Tiger King Netflix Show
12:37 - New Evidence & New Trial Attempt
17:37 - Feud with Carole Baskin
19:36 - Mullets
20:10 - Outro

Joe Exotic Official website:
https://joeexoticofficial.com/

Joe Exotic Evidence:
https://joeexoticofficial.com/pages/evidence

Chuck Shute Linktree:
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Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:14

Bad. Show exotic Welcome to the show's Chuck Shute. How's it going?

Joe Exotic: 0:21

Hey, Chuck, I have so many interviews today. I've got them all messed up.

Chuck Shute: 0:26

Oh, okay, well, this is gonna be the best one. I guarantee it. So how are you feeling? Oh, first of all, I want to ask if I know you had the health issues of lung cancer. Are you still fighting fighting that?

Unknown: 0:36

Yeah, well, you know, I, I got my prostate cancer in remission. And I just got all of the tests done for the lung cancer. I gotta go back and do biopsies to see how bad it is.

Chuck Shute: 0:52

Okay, yeah, I just had a doctor on here who works with cancer patients using a high protein diet, but I know that they're not allowing you a lot of protein in prison, right? You're you feel like you've been mistreated.

Unknown: 1:04

You get no protein in here, man. This is this is how jail and prison works. Okay, the government requires you 3000 calories a day. And they give you and cookies in the morning and noon at night to get that calorie count up there. And the only meat that you get is usually chicken and it comes in a box that says institutional only not for human consumption. No way. Really. Yeah, yeah. Really? Wow. Yeah. That's why That's why if I make it out of here live, I am going to testify in front of Congress with the evidence that I walk out here with and I am going to change this whole system. Yeah. Because what, what we do to human beings in jail, and prison you could not do to adopt? It's your shelter downtown. Right?

Chuck Shute: 1:54

Didn't you say to that you feel like the guards are corrupt. Like you saw them? Selling drugs to prisoners.

Unknown: 2:01

I know. They're, they're the ones that we know that we inmates? I have not. I have. I have videos and everything else. Yeah, they sell math for 7000 bucks an ounce and they sell cell phones for 4000 bucks apiece.

Chuck Shute: 2:16

So do you think are you following the Epstein case? Do you think that Epstein didn't kill himself because there may be corruption if these guards and your prisoner corrupt? Maybe the guards of his prison were corrupt and were paid off?

Unknown: 2:30

I don't believe he killed himself. Now I'm not just like, why he got killed. What was it in Springfield Missouri. At the prison there's a federal prison there. They you know, you got to you got to have a garden to fill to let somebody into Gillen you know, so I'm sure that that was a setup. And, you know, it's no different than the bloody pictures that I put on all of my social media of what has happened to me in here by guards. It's not the inmates that were in me. It's the guards.

Chuck Shute: 3:05

Wow. So you feel like it hasn't this changed your perspective on animals? You don't feel like animals? Should any animals should be in a cage now that now that you've kind of been in a cage?

Unknown: 3:15

I will be the biggest advocate for cageless animals you bet.

Chuck Shute: 3:21

So then, what do you what do you feel about this? The Carroll Baskins law, the big cat safety law. But then like because it doesn't really it still allows animals to be in captivity, but just under the sanctuary. It's kind of corrupt, right? You felt like?

Unknown: 3:36

Well, that's why I'm in here. I'm a political prisoner for the big F ATF. Okay, because I fought it for 11 years because it doesn't help the cat. What it done was it created a monopoly for the American Zoological Association, and Carol Baskins global Federation of animal sanctuaries, the only two that are exempt from that law. So what did they do with with my animals look, if this would have been about my tigers, saving my tigers, and can loving and caring for the species of tigers, they would have kept my zoo open and turned it into the most famous world known sanctuary in the world. All they had to do was stop raining. Okay, but instead, they shipped all the animals out to global Federation out in the sanctuaries facilities so they could raise money saying they rescued job tigers. They're still charging to see them. And they let horses live in my house and destroyed my entire zoo. And today, the ghost town. This wasn't about helping. This was about destroying and shutting up, Joe. Well,

Chuck Shute: 4:45

yeah, because it's funny when I go I'm in Arizona. And so just today I was like, Well, I don't this law seems interesting because when you google like tigers in Arizona, there's a bunch of places that you can go see a tiger so I don't know what what it really changed really It's

Unknown: 5:00

all I've done was I you can't take a baby tiger and I can't let you pet it. That's all it done. Okay, okay, it's done. It's stopped private breeding of tigers. Okay, in private places. Okay, which we didn't do anyway, we were all licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture as zoos. Okay, and we bred and we swapped bloodlines. And we entered enter active with our animals out the only thing we've done was was bred them. Okay. They want to complain that there's too many tigers in America one month. And then the next month, the very same people are shipping some in from Peru or somewhere else because they don't have any rescue stories.

Chuck Shute: 5:44

Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. If it's if they're endangered, we should be breeding more. Right. Exactly.

Unknown: 5:49

How do you ever stop something from becoming endangered? You breed it? Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 5:56

Well, and then

Unknown: 5:57

I'll be done. Are we done was put them on a faster track extinction? Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 6:04

Talk about because I know, part of the reason that they put you away is because they said that you didn't euthanize the Tigers correctly or something. So and I know you're running for president. And and I just read your book too. And you talked about your husband, Brian, and when he had HIV, and he was in a lot of pain, and they couldn't really do anything. So what is your stance on euthanasia? Because I know like in Canada, they have this law called the medical assistance and dying law. And it's very controversial, because they're allowing people to basically choose when to die who are not terminally ill,

Unknown: 6:35

I would advocate for us to pass a law called the right, the right to die act. And that goes for people that are sick, or people that are given given 3040 years sentences in prison with no, I mean, the way this system is, the federal system doesn't allow you parole, okay. And when I get to the point, if I don't win my appeal, or Trump or Biden doesn't make this right, and let me go home, when I get to the point that I'm sick, I want to be euthanized. I have no shame in what I did to those five tigers. Because it was the most humane way to put them down my protocol with the USDA. And my veterinarian said, put them down with a bullet because it was faster than tranquilizing them for an hour and letting them have seizures and puke, and then everything else so the vet can walk in and kill them. We all are going to die. Everything has to die. You know, and I'm not in here for killing those tigers. I mean, you're killing them without a permit. They're trying to say I should have had a permit. Okay, I'm in here, taking five endangered species without a permit. So if I would have let them live for six to eight more months to go for winter, and suffer in the cold have not been able to walk and take care of that. So now they had me bro animal cruelty.

Chuck Shute: 8:01

Right? Because these animals were sick and dying. I'm assuming

Unknown: 8:04

they were 23 years old. They should have died eight years ago. Wow. And that should tell somebody something that I took care of my animals to live that long. A tiger is not supposed to live to be 23 years old. They die at 14 to 16 years old.

Chuck Shute: 8:25

Yeah, so but you feel now that I mean, you have regrets in terms of keeping animals given not giving them enough space. Like they should not have cages they should have.

Unknown: 8:37

Okay, that's, that's still another thing. I had changes that were two acres big. Okay. And, and cat. Tigers are cats, they sleep 18 hours a day. They did not use two acres. They use one corner of it. Okay, doesn't matter how big the case. I'm, I'm an advocate for look, I was ripped away from my life. I was ripped away from my family. My parents died in here. I lost my I lost everything. Okay, to be put in a cage over a political agenda. Okay, I am going to advocate that we that the American Psychological Association is the number one organization in this country that are taking animals out of the wild and put them in a zoo. And I'm going to tell you, if I make it out of here. I'm going to have to stop that. Because they don't belong in a cage in a zoo, along in African, Indian, and Siberia. And that goes for every animal.

Chuck Shute: 9:37

Yeah, okay. So because I mean, I know when I watched the tiger King Show, I didn't see a lot. I mean, it's been a while but don't remember a lot of abusive things that you did the only thing that kind of rubbed me the wrong way it was when you had the tiger cubs. And they were you said they were crying. They're crying out for their mother. Right? I mean that that kind of like was like uncomfortable to watch that. Did that bother you at the time? Do

Unknown: 10:00

we, okay? Look, when you take, okay, you have a choice. Either take the club away from its mom and raise it to interact with human beings and be safer in a cage, or you're gonna put it a year later with its mom and let it grow up. Take the tour employees and your staff, because the options are no different than taking a woman to the hospital that can't take care of her. And ripping that made me waiting for foster care. We do it every day.

Chuck Shute: 10:33

Yeah, okay. So other things that was interesting going on your website and your presidential campaign, I found that you had all these stances a different a different agenda items. One of the things that was so interesting to me was the Barbie stance. I just had a laugh. I was like Barton, then I read it. And I was like, you know, that's actually pretty good. It says, Barbie is not a good role model because she's about makeup and glamour, instead of teaching young girls to just love themselves for who they are, and not what they look like. That's pretty good.

Unknown: 10:59

Every every letter that I write back to a kid, and let me tell you, I get letters every day from six year olds to a 12 year old, 18 year old. And at the bottom of every letter, I'm like back, I put love you first. Respect you first, and be proud of you first. Then tell everyone else to EPA.

Chuck Shute: 11:23

Right? Isn't that what?

Unknown: 11:25

Yeah, our whole our whole society is about Malik. Now our whole society is about, oh, if you don't get 2000 likes on your post, you're, it's a crap. You mean nothing to nobody?

Chuck Shute: 11:40

Well, you're getting a lot of likes, and your Netflix show blew up and stuff. But you didn't really get to experience all the joy of that because you were in prison. Right?

Unknown: 11:49

Right. I'm not. I'm not in any of my so called fame. But like I tell everybody in every interview that I do, you know, everybody says like, God shoot from COVID. I'm glad I'm really proud of that. But don't forget that. A, I didn't film for Tiger cake. They stole my footage from my show. Okay. And my husband signed the contract and ran off what $2.6 million. Right and left me with nothing in prison. I'm like a human being that lost my life for that chill, and the agenda. So please don't forget that I'm a real person, and not just a TV character that got you through COVID.

Chuck Shute: 12:34

Yeah, that's fair enough. And, you know, I mean, I looked at the evidence on your website. And I'm not a lawyer. So I don't know how to read it all. But it does seem like there's enough new evidence that you at least deserve a new trial that people can actually look at the evidence themselves and see the full story. That seems like there's a lot of things that were kept out of the first trial.

Unknown: 12:55

There's a whole lot that was kept on the first trial. And are you looking at the Joe exotic official website?

Chuck Shute: 13:00

Yes. The other day. I mean, there was so much and then I've heard you talk about it. Yeah. Right. I'll put that in the show notes so people can look for themselves as well. Yeah,

Unknown: 13:11

Joey Sonic official.com. For the evidence, and every one of them had videotaped under oath during depositions committing to perjury, and they've all handed over their cell phones, showing that the federal government knew they were lying, and help them lie. Okay. And then Alan Glover, the Hitman himself, went one step further, and even took the lawyers and the film people to the zoo, and showed him or her a in a weapon that they were going to kill me with. If this didn't work, and ask yourself why am I feeling here? Why is Joe Biden so hell bent and I'm not wrongfully detained in America. But he'll trade he'll trade Victor booth for Brittany Reiner and $6 million for six five other people. All I want to do is go home. They can keep their conviction. I don't want to time shirt. Let me go. Let me put this all behind me.

Chuck Shute: 14:10

Is there any movement on that? I know you tried to get Trump to pardon and that didn't work out and Biden hasn't. There's no movement What about I think you're trying to get Kim Kardashian to help out

Unknown: 14:20

I can't get canteen and wake up and acknowledge I'm alive.

Chuck Shute: 14:26

Is there other prison advocates that can help out?

Unknown: 14:29

No, I have solid your watch by me. I have out of the box behind me. I have the innocent project behind me. It's the system the system is corrupt. You know, I've been trying for six years to get a new trial. I'm finally on appeal. The judge that tried me set on my motion for a new trial for 19 months, a year and a half before he said no. So I can take it to an appellate court which affect me another year. Okay, this system in America has got I'd be overwhelmed. Because in and I hate to keep dogging on Brittney Griner. But in Russia, we were all hell bent that she was wrongfully detained from the Biden administration. But she got arrested, charged, convicted, pled guilty appealed, and 10 months. And I've been waiting six years, along with everybody else in the system are sitting here waiting for a new trial instance saying, Who is your who are your lawyers? Now?

Chuck Shute: 15:33

Are these private lawyers that are working pro bono are I mean, it's not still the state lawyers, right?

Unknown: 15:40

Oh, no, these are the private lawyers out of Dallas that are doing my appeal and adventuring pro bono. Yeah, I'm, I'm scraping every word I can come up with money to pay these people. But it all goes back to the same thing from the very start of all of this. Triangle pain, people that run around looking trying to get Trump's attention back in 2020. I was in solitary confinement during that I had nothing to say about any of that, that they pulled the buses, the limos, the planes, all that all they'd done was run around with chickens with their head cut off trying to be movie stars for Tiger King to and they've done nothing. For Joe. They didn't find any evidence. They didn't file any motions. They didn't do anything. But but smile for the cameras and look good. And that's all I've done is made lawyers famous. Now my current lawyer is on TV as an analysis. Okay. I haven't seen a lawyer space since December 3 2021.

Chuck Shute: 16:45

Do we have so you don't? Do you have a date for this appeal? Because I think there should be a new trial. And I think it should be televised. And maybe that'll be the thing that gets us out of 2024. If you got us out of 2020 during COVID. Now 2024 is a crazy year, your trial could get us out of 2024.

Unknown: 17:02

Well, my appeal, I suppose we filed my brief. I haven't even seen what my lawyers filed. Government has an opportunity to file their briefs with by the end of next month. And then the judges will make a decision there is there is no appeal trial, that judges will either say, yes, you can have a new trial. No, you cannot have a trial. And if I can have a new trial, then I gotta go back to the same corrupt judge. And he will take a year to put me on his docket.

Chuck Shute: 17:36

Do you know how do you feel about Carole Baskin at this point is I think you've said that you've kind of made peace with her. You don't have any ill will. You

Unknown: 17:43

know, first of all mean Farrell. Agreed. She did a interview last week on the same news station I did without knowing that we did a new station. And we both said the same thing. Netflix made us look like we hated each other worse than we really did. She made money on the podcast or radio podcast,

Chuck Shute: 18:08

but with video of me like I can. Yeah, you can fucking swear. Yeah.

Unknown: 18:13

Okay, so I've made money making people believe that she killed her husband, which I believe she did. And she was batshit crazy, because she worked shit around her head and all of her clothes were animal print. She made money convincing people that I was an animal abuser, because I took Baby Tigers away from them. And that was the extent of our future. And then Netflix came in and got Jeff and James and Alan to do this big murder for hire bullshit. And we have evidence on that same link off their phones and recordings of Netflix producers paying them to do this.

Chuck Shute: 18:52

Oh, was the Netflix producers that paid? Yeah. Yeah, because it seemed like it took a long time. Like it was like a year before they finally caught you or whatever. Like they kept trying to get you to pay this Hitman or whatever.

Unknown: 19:09

You have one minute remaining two years yours because Joe was an interested Okay. And, and, and if you watch the video that they used in court, they tried to get me to buy guns. They tried to get me to buy a burner phone. They tried to get me to give me$10,000 job wouldn't play. Right. Hey, they had to make me look like an animal murderer.

Chuck Shute: 19:33

Yeah, it looks like you're gonna hang up here. But so I had one last question. Who do you think has a better bullet? You are Theo von. Mentally. Do you think you inspired his MO who had it first? You had it first? Right?

Unknown: 19:46

I don't even I didn't even know that at first. Man Matt combs in Redux husband. We both got the Mueller thing going on right now. That's

Chuck Shute: 19:55

awesome. Well, good luck to you, Joe. I'll put the show notes in the show notes or The links in the show notes so people can look at the evidence and make up their mind for themselves. Okay, thanks so much