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The L3 Leadership Podcast with Doug Smith
Dr. Josh Axe on Overcoming the Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, host Doug Smith interviews Dr. Josh Axe about his new book 'Think This, Not That,' which addresses overcoming limiting beliefs to unlock one’s greatest potential.
Dr. Axe shares his personal journey from a struggling high school student diagnosed with ADHD to building multiple multimillion-dollar businesses. He emphasizes the power of mindset, visualization, and balanced leadership in achieving success.
They also discusses the role of faith, discipline, and the importance of a positive belief system in personal and professional growth.
00:00 - Introduction and Welcome
00:16 - Introducing the New Book: Think This, Not That
01:39 - Personal Journey: Overcoming Limiting Beliefs
01:57 - Transformative High School Experience
03:22 - College and Realization of Potential
05:10 - Building Multimillion Dollar Businesses
08:41 - Mindset and Leadership Insights
11:30 - Visualization to Realization: A Key to Success
14:23 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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About Doug: Doug Smith is the Director of Development atLight of Life Rescue Mission and Founder and CEO of L3 Leadership. He is the author of his eBook, “Making the Most of Mentoring”, a step-by-step guide to help you build and cultivate relationships with mentors. He blogs atdougsmithlive.com, is the host of the L3 Leadership podcast and is a sought-after public speaker. He is married to his high school sweetheart, Laura, who currently works as an Account Executive at Ivalua. Together, they love family, personal growth, travel, working out, and serving others.
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00.927) Dr. Josh Axe, it's been a you've been on my bucket list for quite a while to interview and I'm so glad we finally got to do this. Welcome to the L3 Leadership Podcast.
Josh Axe (00:08.47) Doug, thanks for having me. Excited to be here.
Doug Smith (00:10.747) Yeah, so I want to cover a thousand things with you. But first I want to dive into you have a brand new book coming out. And so why don't you just tell us a little bit about the book and what you want readers to get out of it.
Josh Axe (00:20.842) Yeah, so the new book is called Think This, Not That. It's all about how to overcome limiting beliefs and really become our greatest selves. I think for a lot of people, we focus on, hey, what can I accomplish versus who can we become? And so in the book, I really lay out, here's how you become the greatest person. How do you grow in virtue? How do you grow your skills to the highest level possible so you can operate as someone like an Elon Musk or in the past a Michelangelo where you are the best in the best at your art.
Doug Smith (00:33.216) Mmm.
Josh Axe (00:49.022) at leadership at whatever God has designed you to do. And so, um, anyways, the book, uh, you know, I've, I've had so many people already give me great feedback on the book. So, I mean, there's, there, this book is unlike any other. And so if anybody wants to check it out, it's bookstores nationwide, amazon.com. It's called, think this, not that. Uh, but yeah, it's really about mindset medicine. You know, one thing that I discovered over the years is that while food is medicine is powerful. our mindset and our beliefs are the most powerful thing for us achieving greater health goals, but also achieving greater success and relationships in a number of things. So I really dig into the book. I'd say it's the sort of the quintessential book on how to overcome limiting beliefs, expose those, create those new beliefs to create a better life.
Doug Smith (01:18.592) Hmm. 36.407) Yeah, and I would be curious to hear your perspective on your own personal experience. Obviously, you've built a global brand. You're known everywhere. I'm sure that you've had to come over, overcome significant beliefs in your life. What are some of the moments in your life or career that you've had to make that jump and leap?
Josh Axe (01:49.08) Yeah. 52.894) Yeah, well, I'll hit on a couple of them. One of them was when I was in high school. So I was in freshman English class and I had a teacher, her name was Miss Noble, and she said, hey, Josh, would you stay after class? And I said "yeah," and that's never good, okay. Especially with a kid who was always in trouble in elementary school. And so I stayed after and she said, hey, what do you wanna do when you grow up? Do you wanna go to college? And I said, yeah. I said, actually, I'd love to be a doctor. And she just laughed at me and she goes, you'd never get into med school. And, uh, and by the way, the reason I said that was my mom was diagnosed with cancer the year before went through chemotherapy. And I just really, as I saw my mom go through chemo, I had this thing where I said to myself, I never want to see anyone have to go through that again. And I also said, there has to be a better way for some to actually get healthy. So at the time I was very aware that I wanted to help people get healthy. So I said that she laughed at me. I remember just walking out of there, just very down trodden, very discouraged. And then a couple of weeks later, my mom brought me to a
Doug Smith (02:26.228) Hmm. 47.295) Hmm.
Josh Axe (02:51.446) to a physician who diagnosed me with ADHD. And of course, acting like I wasn't in the room, he said, you know, your son has ADHD, he's always gonna have trouble learning his whole life, I'm gonna prescribe Ritalin, and I never got on the medication. But from that time on in high school, I sort of just stopped trying, you know? I basically just passed so my dad wouldn't discipline me or get too angry. I graduated high school barely, by the way. I barely graduated with like a C minus.
Doug Smith (03:07.199) Hmm.
Josh Axe (03:16.754) And then I decided I did want to go to college. The only way I got into college, the college that I kind of, uh, it wasn't even my first choice, but a college I wanted to go to was because they had this summer enrollment program where they said, Hey, if you get above a 3.0 or better on four classes, we will let you into the school. And so I went there and my first class I took was English 101. Okay. So for college.
Doug Smith (03:35.482) Hmm. 41.843) Ha ha
Josh Axe (03:41.91) So I went and I said, I'm going to try because I don't want to be the kid that just fails out and has to live with their parents and whatever. So I went in there and I really tried and I had the teacher names was, was Ms. Williams after we turned in our first paper and a few days later, she said, Hey, Josh, would you stay after class? I'm like, Oh gosh, this is deja vu. And she said, um, Hey, I want to let you know, you got the highest grade in the class and I think you should consider, she said, have you ever thought about being an English major in a writer? And I said, um, no.
Doug Smith (04:07.74) Hmm.
Josh Axe (04:10.442) I didn't know what else to say. Just now hadn't crossed my mind. She said, well, how you should consider it. You, I think, I think you've got a real talent as a writer. And I said, okay. And I walked out of there and I had this thing happen at that point in time where I kind of call it a, uh, a, uh, a sort of, uh, I'll call it a memory trans plan or a mindset transplant. I had this thing where my entire, for four years, I thought I was stupid. Like I just had to say, I'm not smart. Why even try if I'm going to fail anyways, and just decide I'm just going to live getting C's and D's.
Doug Smith (04:28.605) Hmm
Josh Axe (04:39.358) And then finally I got in and I had one teacher tell me, you know what, you have this skill in the skip, this skill in this gift. And you know, you should invest in being better at it. And from then on, like I want to say I had a 3.1 GPA then I went on and got a doctorate. I graduated Johns Hopkins with a 3.9 GPA with a master's in organizational leadership there as well. And all that being said, and then I was able to, by the way, I hope I don't sound like I'm boasting. I just wanted to share kind of how far I think someone can go.
Doug Smith (04:51.763) Wow.
Doug Smith (05:05.147) No.
Josh Axe (05:07.422) I went from being in high school to literally barely graduating to, uh, at a point where I built five multimillion dollar businesses, one's called ancient nutrition. It does over a hundred million in sales. Uh, again, a number of these things and more importantly, I've gotten great relationships. I feel like I am and how to have this belief that I am wise and, uh, and, and have, have great abilities now. But you know what? If I would have just lived with that one limiting belief of, I wasn't smart. I probably wouldn't have been able to do any of those things. And I think there's a lot of people, Doug, who they've had somebody in their past tell them one thing one time. And they've let that belief sort of grow and grow and grow to where they never go after their dreams. They never actually fully realize the greatest them of who they could become because of this memory. And the thing about this memory transplant is it's kind of like an organ. If you have a sick organ, like a sick heart, you know, you can People's lives are saved every day through organ transplants, right? And so it's a very similar thing is what I do is I go and I walk through how to do this in the book and a whole lot more. I go through people like Jamie Kern Lima, how she did this. She was actually an orphan and was told essentially, you know, that, you know, she was criticized for her looks and then built a billion dollar company. A lot of people I go through how they did this, but this is just so important, Doug, for people to realize that we have these. limiting beliefs. And if we don't create new empowering beliefs and know exactly how to grow those, most of us will never live up to our full potential.
Doug Smith (06:43.587) Yeah. So when Esther connected, Esther, you said like, you guys are going to be best friends. We basically have very, very similar stories. Barely graduated high school, never thought I'd amount to anything, wasn't planning on going to college. And yet I had three people, I, you know, I won't go into all the details, but I had three specific leaders come into my life, cast a vision that I could be more than I was, that I could be a leader, that I could do great things. And that's all it took for, like you said, the mindset transplant. That's all it took for me and turned my whole life around.
Josh Axe (07:09.34) Yeah.
Doug Smith (07:11.339) And I'm living a life now that I never ever would have dreamed possible if it weren't for those people. So, one, I'm curious, did you have a, through that, I hear a lot about kids who grew up maybe with that mentality have a chip on their shoulder and how that can be an advantage and going out and achieving things. Did you feel like you had a chip on your shoulder at all when you started to get that? And has that helped you, you know, grow and scale your businesses? Or do you feel like it was just that positive belief that you could do it?
Josh Axe (07:39.858) No, I'm actually not wired like that to have a chip on my now. Listen, some people do and they use that and they've built, you know, incredible companies and done a lot in their life. But no, for me, you know, I think I think for me there was no chip. There was just a realization that I've always had this thing inside me for the most part that I want to live my best life possible. I was I went to a Christian school and I was raised with a certain level of faith and believing that.
Doug Smith (07:44.743) Hahaha
Josh Axe (08:08.17) I'm going to live this life and I'm also going to live for eternity. And so I am, I want to live my best life possible. So for me, there's no chip. There's just a, uh, I want to accumulate reward, uh, awards in heaven. And even more than that, like I want to add value to people. I believe I'm called to do things, three things, love God, love people, make earth a heavenly place. And if there's a fourth, you know, grow, have disciples and help mentor others to living their best life. And so for me, no, no chip. I just want to add the most value possible and live in and do the most with my life here now.
Doug Smith (08:39.707) Yeah, well, I love that. And I would love to hear how you did that. So talking about overcoming, you know, negative core beliefs. So you graduate from college, you said you ended up scaling, I think, five multimillion dollar companies. How you know, when this is a leadership podcast, when it came to leadership, how did you have to grow as a leader and overcome leadership mindsets that maybe you had growing up to be able to grow and scale the way you have?
Josh Axe (08:55.382) Yeah.
Josh Axe (09:03.53) Yeah, well, one of the things I picked up about leadership, I think, early on was that there's really, there's really a yin yang. There's really a healthy balance of leadership if you're going to do it the right way. And it is, and by the way, a big part of my background in medicine has been Chinese medicine, which was sort of an extension of Tao or Tao. So, which basically, not to get into too many details here, but when you read, you know, the Gospels and Jesus says, I am the way, the truth. the Dao means the way. And so I think these were kind of wisdom passed on from Abraham, but basically it's this, is yin and yang, it's the masculine, the feminine, it's the encouragement. So the positive side of leadership, it's like positive psychology. It's like, hey, you know what? You've got greatness in you. Hey, I wanna let you know you've got great potential. It's those sort of things where you're nourishing, right? It's more of that nourishment and love and kindness of leadership. But then there's the other side where it's that discipline and it's like, you're better than this. You messed up. Hey, you know what? You can do better. You've got more inside you. And it's being it's critiquing people in a constructive manner. And so all that being said, I think what I really learned about leadership is you really want to have a healthy balance of love and encourage and your team, but also, hey, you're better than that. Listen, we've got numbers we got to be driving towards there's a level of discipline there. But I would say one of the biggest things that has really helped me build these million dollar businesses is something I go through in the book. And it's a process I go through and it's called from it's called, uh, it's chapter 10, it's visualization to realization. And I remember reading about, I, when I, when I used to be a full-time physician, I had an opportunity to work with some Olympic athletes like Ryan, uh, Lacti, I worked on him and I would do muscle work and nutrition analysis and things like that for them. I also had a, uh, opportunity to talk with people like Michael Phelps and.
Doug Smith (10:38.824) Hmm.
Josh Axe (10:56.566) You know, one of the things I remember being at Michael Phelps, one of his meets and he has this, how always wears this hoodie before he'd go and swim. And he would just be looking like staring at one area. And I remember seeing an interview where they said, Hey, what are you doing when you're just staring off like that? He's like, I'm visualizing. And I said, well, are you just visualizing yourself winning that whole time? He goes, no, I'm visualizing everything. I'm visualizing when I start, I'm visualizing every single stroke and how it goes, the turn exactly. He's like, I'm visualizing every single moment.
Doug Smith (11:02.848) the 12.852) Hmm.
Josh Axe (11:26.402) of that swim and tiger woods jack nicholas I remember reading something from jack nicholas and he said he's never taken a shot or hit a ball without it without visualizing exactly where it would land and so all that being said i think this is such an important and by the way this is a biblical principle as well i mean you know god says to abraham look at the stars of the sky so numerous shall your descendants be so i think this is a principle that's important for our entire lives but for our businesses it's important as well so this process
Doug Smith (11:37.877) Wow.
Josh Axe (11:54.818) Before visualization, I actually start with prioritization to say, what are the most important parts of the business? What are the things we must do to succeed and what's our why behind the business? Right. So really thinking about, like, for instance, when I started ancient nutrition, that business, I said to myself, okay, or in part of that was a business right before that doctorax.com, which was an online supplement company as well, but I started off with saying, okay, what are our biggest priorities? We want to. Uh, we want to transform lives. We want people to be able to get off their medications, use supplements instead, that sort of thing. And so that's our why. Okay. So we have our priorities lined up, the things most important there. And then let's visualize, you know, what, what do you want to visualize there? You know, one thing I visualized both then, and when I had my practice was people coming up to me and saying, Dr. Axe, you changed my life. Thank you so much. I was able to reverse my diabetes and I was able to heal naturally from what, you know, whatever condition it might be. So I visualized exactly also what the supplements would look. I visualized them on the, in Target and Costco and Whole Foods and Sprouts and all the places we're blessed to be in now. And then after visualizing that, I would sit down and write down the really specific goals and strategies, okay? So, hey, what are the goals with that? Okay, well, we wanna do, you know, $100 million in sales by this date, but we wanna do 50 million by this date. So I'd write down those goals.
Doug Smith (12:56.049) Hmm
Josh Axe (13:15.446) Then the next step was really strategy. Okay, well, how do we achieve these goals? And I'll give you an example how we did this. One of my goals early on was to become the number one natural health website in the world, which in 2018 we were able to achieve. And so what I did there is I said, okay, who's the top person at the time? It was a guy named Dr. Joe Mercola, Dr. Oz was number two. Anyways, there's a number of guys that were up there. And I said, okay, they're putting out about 21 articles a week.
Doug Smith (13:27.869) Hmm 37.994) Yeah.
Josh Axe (13:44.446) And I went and just saw what they did and I said, okay, I'm going to start putting out 28 pieces of content a week. It'll be a mixture. We'll do articles. We're also going to do video recipes and number of things. And also I'm going to make sure my content's better. So I would comb through their content and then others as well and said, okay, here's how we create and I sort of crafted the perfect article. We start here, we go to here, just created an outline that I thought would be different and better.
Doug Smith (13:44.831) Woo.
Josh Axe (14:10.006) And then we just started going at it, you know, and we sort of engineered just a strategy for how we did the whole thing and adjusted and improved along the way. And then we went into those kind of turned into our systems for this is the system for how to create the best article ever. Here's our system for social media. Here's our system for funnel marketing, which eventually became more flywheel marketing. And and then we realized our potential. So all that being said, when I think about leadership, I do think that element, what I. If you, if I had to put one word, everything I shared, I think the biggest part of it is strategy of really saying, this is where I went, want to end up in five years and really creating a step-by-step plan of here is exactly how we will achieve this over a five year process. I think a lot of leaders probably don't spend enough time getting into nitty gritty details of planning and then updating those plans as they, you know.
Doug Smith (14:41.971) mmm
Doug Smith (15:03.448) Hmm
Josh Axe (15:07.03) have new findings along the way.
Doug Smith (15:09.659) You talked about content creation and I love that you upped it to 28 articles a week over the other guys. You've built a personal brand. How important was building your own personal brand and creating content to the success that you saw and what advice would you give to leaders today when it comes to creating their own personal platforms and or for their organization?
Josh Axe (15:27.53) Well, I think it's incredibly important, actually even more important now than it's ever been because of social media. You know, when you look at some of the biggest brands that are most successful, there is a person attached to those brands. I mean, of course, Elon Musk is the easiest, you know, we talk about Tesla or, or X with that. Uh, but, you know, almost every big business, the CEO or founder is a celebrity, I mean, in some way, uh, but, but it absolutely lifts the brand right now, I mean, the most effective form of marketing for a lot of people. is influencer marketing, whether it be Instagram or YouTube or other. And so I think it's, I think it's absolutely critical. And the great thing about it is if you have a person who is doing that, I think it actually creates greater safety for you in the future because, uh, organic traffic is not something that's going to be limited. I actually saw recently, just as a warning to everybody that a lot of the social media platforms are going to possibly start allowing people to pay. to be free of ads, right? I think YouTube might already do this, but Instagram's about to install it and some other platforms probably as well, to where if you are running ads, some people may pay $9 a month just to never see any ads, so they'll just never see your ads. All that being said, this is why building up organic traffic is so important in getting connected to influencers because that's the future and that is something that likely won't be limited. And I can tell you before, because I've, again, in building brands that Um, like people today and younger generations, even more than now, they're very relationship driven, they want to feel a connection and it's really hard to feel a connection with a brand versus a connection with a person. And so I do believe that this is the future of, of brands. You know, right now, something that's happening a lot too, a lot of influencers are getting equity in brands because businesses are realizing that if they're going to grow the brand, it needs to be attached to personalities. I mean, it's really, really important.
Doug Smith (17:07.385) Mm.
Josh Axe (17:25.494) Uh, and so, uh, and look at all these people today going off and just starting their own companies just because they've got a big brand. Tucker Carlson is an example of that. Leaving Fox news blowing up. It could be Megan Kelly could be Glenn Beck. I'm using a lot of political people now, but my point there, I mean, look at daily wire, how much they've grown, look at value attainment because of Patrick bet David, the, the reason they've grown is they've got really, really engaging.
Doug Smith (17:38.612) Yeah.
Josh Axe (17:51.014) Influencers that have great personalities and great educators that are out there. Uh, that are out there. So, you know, one of the, one of the things that I am very conscious of is, um, the way that I build my personal brand and I want to encourage people if now, listen, I want to say this, if it's not your gifting, then don't try and be that person. Okay. Don't try and be the person. If you don't listen, if you don't at least generally like being on video or, or posting on social or being that person, then find someone else to be that need and you sort of can operate as that builder, that integrator and have that other person sort of next to you that is the personality. So again, it doesn't have to be you, but I do think almost every business today would benefit greatly from having an influencer and the way that we try and do this, I'll give you an example. So we want to, the average person is on six social platforms, not one. Six. So you want to try and get your content out on multiple platforms. Now, let's say you could only do one hour a week. Here's what I would do. I'd record a one hour show like you're doing here, Doug. And then what I would do is I would hire a social person who then takes, let's say it's YouTube, that's your primary platform. They then take it and they put it on Spotify and iTunes. So they put it on podcasts. So now you're on two platforms. They then take it and they take all of the clips and they take your best clips. from the one hour show, they take five of them. And those are broken down into 60 second shorts or reels that are then put on Instagram, okay? Those same shorts and reels can then be posted on Facebook. You could then take that content and some of the best things said during the interview and post that on Twitter slash X. And those same reels can also be posted on TikTok. So boom, there you have it. By the way, same thing on LinkedIn. You could actually take some of the best parts of it, transcribe it. and actually put that on LinkedIn. And it can be turned on an article and put on your website. You should do that, but you could have one employee if they're very savvy and they know how to use technology such as whether it's ChatGTP or Cloud or Bard, like one of those AI platforms, if you hire the right person, they can just full-time take one hour and put it on every one of those platforms. And then if you really feel like, you know, this is really working, then you could record two days a week.
Josh Axe (20:14.71) You know, um, and, and then amplify it even more. But, but that's what I would say is, I mean, I don't think enough entrepreneurs are taking, they're not, it's, it's that killing two birds with one stone. It's that, uh, Brendan Bouchard was called this, you know, uh, viral velocity of taking that one thing and using it in every way you could possibly imagine, but that's what I would suggest. If people really want to know how do you really multiply your personal brand, you do have something very similar to what I just shared.
Doug Smith (20:36.659) Hmm. 47.501) Yeah, well,
Josh Axe (20:49.262) Sure.
Josh Axe (21:12.51) Yeah, well, I think there's a few reasons. One is, uh, everyday performance and the secondary one would be longevity. Um, and so when we talk about everyday performance, we know via studies is that, and there's a few books on this. There's a book I used to love called, uh, the powerful engagement. And they got into sort of the importance of sort of, uh, both working hard and resting and taking care of yourself because it does increase performance. You know, if you ever get a terrible night's sleep, it's very hard to be creative and innovative. And I would actually argue that one of the most important things, if you want to be competitive or go past the competition, you need to practice some of that blue ocean strategy. There's a great book on this, but really being able to leverage being creative and innovative. And if you are not healthy and physically fit, you will be less creative and innovative. Look at all the people now that are really successful online building big brands. There's Alex Hermos, you would be a great example of that. He's very into fitness. That's a big part of who he is and why he's successful. Of course, there's a past people like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I mentioned Patrick, Bette, David. I mean, most of these people do take very good care of their bodies. And of course there are people who didn't like Steve Jobs is an example of this, but unfortunately he's not here with us today. I think partly due to, I think that was actually probably as much due to stress as anything else. All that being said, I really believe that
Doug Smith (22:30.507) Hmm.
Josh Axe (22:34.558) you will perform better, you will be more creative, more innovative, you'll have more energy, all of those things if you take care of your body. And some of it doesn't even take much more, doesn't take any more time. I mean, the difference between if you're bringing, you know, to lunch with you, you know, a sandwich with some chips or eating a piece of pizza, you know, if you instead pack, you know, let's say, you know, corn tortillas with chicken, And, you know, and you also have like a sweet potato or something like that. I mean, if you're just eating the ideal diet for most people is meat, vegetables, some fruit, some healthy fat. And if you're going to have grains, a little bit of something like a rice or oatmeal, but for the most part, meat and vegetables, meat and vegetables, meat and vegetables. If you can do a lot of organic meat and vegetables, then you're going to really, really get yourself in a healthy, healthy place, getting some of those good fats too. Um, from things like olives and avocado and coconut, especially, uh, because it's so good for the brain to, to use as fuel, but, but yeah, I mean, there are plenty of clinical studies showing if you eat healthier, you are more productive at work. Also, you have lower rates of depression and anxiety, better mental health. You also are going to have greater levels of energy, less fatigue. Um, you know, you're going to sleep better, a number of things. So I would say that eating healthy and then something as simple as going on walks. If you're at work and you go actually into work, even if it's cold out, going for about a 15 to 20 minute walk right after you eat, right after lunch, is amazing for what it does for your health. There's an ancient Chinese saying that a thousand steps after a meal will help you heal. So just a thousand steps after a meal. So just even walking has tremendous benefits. But all that being said, I...
Doug Smith (24:23.207) Hmm. Wow.
Josh Axe (24:29.223) Yeah, it makes a tremendous difference.
Doug Smith (24:31.643) Yeah, and I know you've shared your story a million times, but for those listening who may be new to you, can you just briefly share the background, why you got so passionate and why you even got into this industry to begin with, just to give some context for further questions?
Josh Axe (24:43.242) Yeah, I mentioned this earlier with, with my, uh, the, the event that happened where I had the teacher tell me that, uh, I wasn't so smart. And basically I wanted to help people get healthy because my mom had cancer. So at 40 years old, my mom had breast cancer. I was in junior high at the time. And I still remember to this day, my mom's hairy hair falling out and her going bald and just thinking to myself, there's gotta be a better way. And my heart just breaking for her and thinking, I want to help people not have to experience this. And. And so anyways, that really set me on a path. And my mom was diagnosed as being cancer-free. The crazy part though, after going through all the chemo treatments, she really seemed sicker than ever. She was later on diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, hypothyroidism. She had chronic constipation and just depression and anxiety. She was on three medications for depression and anxiety. So my mom just growing up, I just remember her just being sick constantly. And so I eventually went on to school to learn natural medicine. And a year before, right before I graduated, I get a call from my mom in tears and she said, Josh, I've got bad news. I've just been diagnosed with cancer again. And they wanna go and do surgery, it's on my lung. They wanna do surgery and then actually do radiation treatments. I said, mom, I'll be home. And we flew back, we prayed together. She felt really led as I did to take care of her all naturally. So we just radically changed her diet. We had her start juicing vegetables every single day, doing herbs like turmeric, mushrooms like reishi. doing lymphatic drainage massage. And we prayed for her. You know, we believe that that's a big part of it. We really worked on her mindset. This is something I hit on the book as well of how she, how we battled cancer naturally in her mind. She would sort of visualize herself 25 years from then bringing her grandkids to Disney World. She would visualize her white blood cells going and eradicating the cancer cells. So she followed this whole holistic protocol for four months. We went back to the oncologist and they did a CT scan.
Doug Smith (26:24.363) Thank you.
Josh Axe (26:35.998) And they called us about, it was either the next day or the day after. And they said, um, Hey, what are you been doing? And she shared and she goes, Hmm. And their exact words were, well, this is, this is highly unusual, but your tumors have shrunk by more than half. They said, we want to see you again. You know, several months from now, she went back about nine months later and she was in complete remission. And today she's in the best shape of her life. She's in her, she's about 73.
Doug Smith (26:48.682) Wow.
Josh Axe (26:59.054) And she's bringing her grandkids to Disney World. My parents retired from Ohio to end of Florida, their love and life down there and doing really well. But I took those learnings and also applied that when I did run my functional medicine practice in the past. But it really sort of instilled in me the power of food is medicine and mindset medicine. I mean, these things are really important. And I don't think you wanna just do one or the other. I think food is incredibly important to healing. But there's also a big emotional aspect of health. A lot of people don't realize how connected our thoughts.
Doug Smith (27:19.773) Mm.
Josh Axe (27:28.826) and our emotions are to our physical health. Here's an example. The emotion of fear. Most of us know this one, but that's tied to your adrenal glands. If you get in a fight-or-flight state, your body starts producing cortisol and adrenaline. Those are hormones your adrenal gland produces that you get in that state. Well, if you live in that state all the time, you start getting adrenal fatigue. Okay, and start getting worn out in that way, but other emotions affect other organs. Anger affects your liver.
Doug Smith (27:43.444) Hmm.
Josh Axe (27:55.27) Um, and it causes liver toxicity grief. If you're really tied to things that have happened in the past and you have not been able to let go of a personal trauma, physical trauma, something that happened years ago, that will affect your lungs and colon, it'll affect your immune system and can even cause autoimmune disease. Uh, uh, worry. We've, we've all heard, most of us will recognize this one too. If you worry too much, you'll get an upset stomach. Okay. So that's tied to your upper digestive system and then the emotion of anxiety.
Doug Smith (27:59.083) Thank you.
Josh Axe (28:23.662) that will raise your blood pressure. Okay, so that's tied to your heart and cardiovascular system. So all that being said, most disease today is not due to genetics. Now, genetics are like a switch, you gotta flip them on. Primarily what turns those genetic genes on is unhealthy emotions and diet. So if you have these emotions where you foster and live in a state of anger or a state of living in the past, well, that's going to build up disease within specific organs there as well. So anyways, that's a little bit of...
Doug Smith (28:51.471) Tchoo!
Josh Axe (28:53.342) sort of Chinese medicine for you, but that's how that works.
Doug Smith (28:57.503) Oh, and this is huge. I was telling you a little bit before we recorded Just over three almost four years ago now I what I would call mental breakdown and I think what you were saying the adrenal fatigue and basically as I went to get Help because I was desperate went to therapy. I did everything you could possibly imagine to get help Came out to find I lost my sister nine months prior to that happening due to a drug overdose I lost my mom when I was a teenager I had just gotten into a new leadership role felt a ton of pressure around that and stress
Josh Axe (29:17.878) Oh.
Doug Smith (29:27.191) And, you know, looking back, I could see all the signs leading up to that. But then it was really hard to diagnose. And a lot of the things you're talking about, I had to learn how to deal with all of those things and now really looking out on the preventive side. I'm just curious if someone, because we're living in a mental health crisis. I work at a rescue mission, homeless shelter. We're seeing mental health issues like we've never seen before. I'm sure you're seeing the same thing. If someone's in a state of constant anxiety, stress, maybe they're, they're experiencing what you're calling, you know, adrenal fatigue.
Josh Axe (29:30.791) Mm-hmm.
Doug Smith (29:55.456) what would you encourage them to do to start to get help with those things?
Josh Axe (29:59.582) Well, the first one thing I'd recommend is this is something I cover in my book really is how to break free of these of these issues. And so I'd go to Amazon, think this, not that, check out the book, buy it. And I think people are going to be blown away by it. Now, right now, here's something else. I hear here's something within that I would do. I would write down memories and events that still bother you today. Okay. And it might have happened a month ago. It might have happened 30 years ago. Okay. But write down.
Doug Smith (30:22.443) Hmm.
Josh Axe (30:29.078) those events that you know are really still bothering you. And then I want you to write down why they still bother you. And just write, I mean, I think this exercise is so healthy and healing, write down, what is it about that event that bothers you? And then write down by you living in that state or not dealing with it, write down the negative effects you know how it's affecting you. And then write down maybe a more positive perception. If you saw that event in a different light. from the most positive standpoint possible.
Josh Axe (31:04.442) What would that look like? So let me give you an example of this. One story you're gonna write out as a victim. Another one you're gonna write down as, you're a hero overcoming all the obstacles, okay? And so for instance, and by the way, this can be incredibly hard. Like if I, losing a family member, that's an example of this. I think if, and by the way, this is something I had to help my mom with recently. So let me give you an example of this. She lost her brother and it was really early. It was 59, he was out for a jog and...
Doug Smith (31:15.944) Peace. 28.84) Mm.
Josh Axe (31:33.738) And his heart just stopped. And so with my mom, I said, mom, you know, I can still, she's still grieving over this. I said, let's write down what's bothering you about it. You know, he was my best friend. He was, you know, he way before his time, I told him not to go get this thing done. And he did. And yeah, a number of things that sort of led to, to where he ended up and passing away and it's unfair. Okay. What else? I'm angry with God that he let it happen. Okay.
Doug Smith (31:58.603) Thank you.
Josh Axe (31:59.658) I mean, getting deep, like what are all the things, right? So do you blame yourself? Okay, you're blaming yourself. Okay, you're blaming your mom, you're blaming God. So, okay, let's write down all these things. Okay, so you're seeing this right now of like, this is a victim, it's unfair, and understandable, and you're okay to feel that way. Now let's do something really different though. Let's look at and write down some of the, let's look at this from a different perspective. What are all the positive things we could say about this?
Doug Smith (32:02.3) Yeah.
Josh Axe (32:27.85) We believe Mark's in heaven now with God and he's reunited with your dad. Okay. Um, Mark added, you know, added value to so many people. Okay. We realize that people are celebrating his life. Okay. We now have, I think, a greater understanding of the shortness of life. And we're now going to be more, more conscious of going and spending time with our kids. But my point here is, and I could go on and on for this, but I do think there's a lot of value in, and I would say this about almost everything in life. So many things are about.
Doug Smith (32:49.327) Yeah, so good.
Josh Axe (32:57.174) the way we perceive them. If somebody, here's an example. If I'm in a room with somebody, and I am there with, let's say I have a friend there, and I have somebody say, hey Josh, actually you're a real jerk, you're a snake oil salesman, who knows, they could say anything. If I'm operating in my highest state of awareness, what I will do is I will, from, there's a couple ways I could handle this. One is, this person's attacking me right now.
Doug Smith (32:59.69) Hmm.
Josh Axe (33:26.358) I'm going to attack them back. But a higher level is this person must really be hurting. What can I say? What is the most loving thing I can say right now to help them grow themselves, to help them break free of this hurt that they've had in the past? You know what? Hey, I know that you feel that way, but you know what? That's not my intention. And by the way, I really think we can be friends and I would love to see how I can add value to your life. My point there is, is that so much of mental health is our perception of things.
Doug Smith (33:32.693) Mm. Wow. 56.021) Wow.
Josh Axe (33:56.854) I think now there is a level of like, you know, putting too much weight and stress on yourself But but the closest I've ever been to a mental breakdown and I haven't had one but the closest I was Was when I started seeing patients in clinic for the first time when I was a student I don't remember going into my pastor after doing this for a while and I couldn't look him in the eye was weird I was having a really hard time looking him in the eye anyone in the eyes, but him as well and I said Larry
Doug Smith (34:09.855) Hmm.
Josh Axe (34:23.11) He was, by the way, he was this amazing old pastor who is just, he taught in seminary school, had a beard, he served, just was awesome. And so he would always just have you sit there until you finally just broke down, you know? And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, Larry, I'm like, I feel so much weight on me right now that I actually feel like I probably should cry, but I can't even do that. I feel like I would just break if I started crying now, just crush me. And he goes, why is that? And I just started talking and eventually
Doug Smith (34:46.672) Hmm.
Josh Axe (34:51.25) I realized, I said, you know what? I feel like I keep telling patients what they need to do. And a lot of them aren't doing it. And they're not seeing the results. Like they're not, you know, I think this guy, I know he can reverse his diabetes, but he's just not doing it. And he's like, you know what, Josh? Like that's not your job. Your job is not to change people. Your job is just to care for them. Your job is to lay out a plan for them and help them see exactly what they should do. But you can't make them do it. You can't control them. And so I had this perception or this idea that my role in the situation was to actually change the person. And if that person didn't change radically, I was a failure. Versus I realized, no, if I just love them and have great character and care for them well, and give them the plan and every step they need to have, if I'm a good leader, that's my job. That's my job is not to change them. My job is to challenge them and care for them. And so, anyways, that's one thing I would say for people out there is that sometimes, if you're feeling a lot of mental stress, oftentimes, you don't have the right perception. Now, the other thing I would say is this, as I've come across and looked a lot more at mental health. For some people, it's more of an, and this is still tied in, but it's an identity issue. And your identity is tied into three things really affect your identity. It's your community. It's your roles and your responsibilities within that community.
Doug Smith (36:03.835) Hmm.
Josh Axe (36:14.806) So for example, if I want to have, because a lot of mental health is due to the highest issues are isolation, depression, anxiety. Those are some of the things that fall under that category. Um, but you know, I think a lot of people are depressed today because they don't have their purpose, which stems from identity, only 25% of people know what their purpose is, according to a recent study. So it's very, very low. But for myself, like I'll give you an example, not even a career, but as a dad. Like
Doug Smith (36:14.815) Hmm. 34.968) Wow.
Josh Axe (36:42.122) Like there are different levels of your identity. The lowest level of identity of a father would be, uh, to impregnate a woman. That's all I needed to do to be a, to be a dad is that conception. Boom. I'm done. I can run off. And so that's a very low level. So your, your role is you don't have a role hardly. You're just, you know, just impregnate somebody have sex that boom. That's it. Okay. What's a higher level than that today? Well, let's say more of a traditional role of a male of saying, you know what? My role of a father is to provide for my family. That's the big thing, which is amazing, but I'm gonna provide financially. Okay, now let's go a whole nother level up though, is identity, okay, as a role within this context of community as a family, it's tapping into the divine. Okay, I've got a father in heaven who loves me. I realize that he's given everything for me. He wants me to grow, he wants me to be like Christ. So there's that. So I'm getting poured into from that angle. And so my goal with my kids, my identity as a father is, I'm raising up world changers to be like Christ. I'm gonna find out their greatest talent and I'm gonna do everything I can to be the best. If my kid's great at art, I would do everything I can to help them be the next Michelangelo. If my kid, and the other thing is helping them grow in character, you know, becoming more virtuous. I'm gonna help them be more generous and kind. And so as a father,
Doug Smith (37:44.405) Come on.
Josh Axe (38:01.386) I'm going to pour into them that way and disciple them and knowing that's not only going to impact them for now, it's going to impact them for eternity and every generation after them. So that's my mentality as a father of that's what I'm called to do. It gives my life so much meaning knowing I'll live with my kids forever in heaven. So I know I've brought in some biblical ideas here and thoughts, but this is who I am and so I just wanted to share those things, but I do think if you want to have great mental health, tap into.
Doug Smith (38:20.9) I love it. Yeah.
Josh Axe (38:28.738) who God created you to be, what's your identity as a father, as a, we're talking about males here, I know there's probably a lot of women that listen, but for me, it's my role as a husband, my role as a father, my role as a child of God, my role as a leader and a boss of my organization, what's my greatest level of meaning in that role, what does that look like? And so I think that's another critical component, this is something I get into in my book, Think This, Not That, exactly how you develop.
Doug Smith (38:44.218) Mmm.
Josh Axe (38:54.966) that type of identity and that's one of the chapters actually, we mentioned Esther earlier, she's like, I've never read a chapter like this, that so clearly defines your identity and how to live that out.
Doug Smith (39:06.995) That's so good. You mentioned kids, how many kids do you have?
Josh Axe (39:10.562) In fact, we have a three and a half year old, but we just had a newborn here recently. So I've got a, well, she's almost four and then we got a few months, a month old.
Doug Smith (39:20.935) Yeah, I'm curious. I'm a dad of four under seven. Same vision with my kids. Love it. I just always love asking dads in the middle of it. Like, what do you learn? What's working for you guys? Parenting wise.
Josh Axe (39:33.202) Yeah, you know, I think that for I actually think parents, I think it's leadership. And so I think there's two things I'm conscious of when I'm with my, oh, you know, my three year old right now, I am going to, and I started off saying this, I'm going to love her and encourage her. And by the way, I'm really going to be an identity builder for her. Arwin, you are kind. Arwin, you are loving you are generous.
Doug Smith (39:56.788) Mmm.
Josh Axe (40:01.206) So if Arwen does something and takes a toy from somebody, I would say something like, Arwen, listen, we don't do that because you are generous and you are kind and God loves it when we share and we love it with we share, right? So would you share it? Like, so, so there's that level and there's also the level of she doesn't do it. Just letting her know, listen, Arwen, I know you decided not to do this right now. Or we talked about this, but, but I know you are kind. I know you are generous and I know next, you know, and I believe next time you will be. So I think there's this level of sort of like.
Doug Smith (40:10.207) Hmm.
Josh Axe (40:30.934) both nurturing her, but also challenging her. I think as well, you know, I, uh, the other day she didn't want to leave the playground, even though we were there for all day. And so, you know, in this Brit total breakdown before we got in the car and I said, Hey, I just, I look her in the eyes. That's the other, my, my wife actually taught me to do this. And this is really good. No matter what we just do everything we can to look her in the eyes and say, Arwin, uh, I, we try and recognize what she's feeling and let her know, Hey, Arwin, it's been really fun today. Hasn't it?
Doug Smith (40:48.649) Hmm
Josh Axe (41:01.242) I know it's been so fun. Daddy has loved it. I've loved playing with you. I've loved going down the slide with you. And you know what? I want to do this again tomorrow. Do you? Okay. We have to go home now. It's getting dark and cold outside, but we can, you know, and, and I think just that level of just being able to recognize what she's feeling right now. You want to have fun and you don't want to leave. I understand. I understand it's hard. Um, and so. So I think there's what we really try and do, my wife and I, we try and find our kids' greatest skills. Like she's a great swimmer, do everything we can to help her get better at that. We try and help our kids grow in character, and we try and connect with them in the eyes, on emotional level, on a regular basis, having those deep, engaging conversations, saying, we're here. And so that's, I think a big part of where we're at right now.
Doug Smith (41:50.851) Yeah. And speaking of health, obviously, so I'm going to stage probably for the past decade where I'm just trying to optimize my health all the time. Obviously you said leadership in the family. I would just be curious, you know, how are you and your wife thinking about your kids or how do you raise healthy kids as far as what they're putting in their body? What are you guys thinking? I'm just curious because, you know, do you have any hacks as far as great snacks or things that you would feed your kid? Cause it's hard. I mean, I'm sure you guys are the same. We're both super busy on the fly all the time. And so.
Josh Axe (41:57.28) Yeah.
Josh Axe (42:09.919) Yeah.
Doug Smith (42:19.387) Yeah, I would just be interested in your insight there.
Josh Axe (42:26.101) Yeah. So, 49.726) And so your kids will eat what you eat. And the earlier you can start them off on eating the right food, the better. I mean, if you start them off on bad stuff and doing a lot of stacks early on, it's hard to, but you just have to kind of stay in your ground and say, I'm the parent here. I'm doing what's best for you. It's part of discipline. That's what you have to do is you need to be disciplined in what you're giving your kids. So, you know, I think for, for our daughter, I mean, she, she eats what we eat, I think in terms of hacks, you know, we'll do smoothies, we'll throw a handful of spinach in there, get berries, coconut milk, bone broth, protein, or collagen in there. that's flavored, you know, rather than giving our daughter juice all the time, we tend to do this collagen. It's by ancient nutrition, supplement company. I own, we have the strawberry lemonade. So we put just a little bit of that in with water. So she drinks that all day long. So that's a hack to get some really good protein and collagen in her diet. You know, we, she'll, sometimes she'll do a chicken nugget, right? We'll just buy the best version of one we can from whole foods market or sprouts. And, and she'll do that. You know, we have a lot of snacks. She does a lot of dried cherries. We have these like snack bars like go macro or Sarah belly, I think is the other brand. She does a lot of food packs that are made of like fruit and coconut milk. So we have her doing those all day. So we do have her doing some snacks. They're all food. They're all real food snacks. So we do a quite, quite a bit of those. And there are some great books that have kids recipes. And when we do a lot of spaghetti, but like when we buy spaghetti, we'll buy rice noodles or Ezekiel noodles, we do pizza. My wife's into making sourdough bread. So we'll do actually tonight. No tomorrow we'll do the sourdough bread pizza where we buy goat cheese or sheep cheese or just or at least organic mozzarella. So we don't eat perfect. But but we make a lot of food at home. We make it a family affair where we're making stuff together. And if we do order out, you know, maybe we're trying to order a place like cav or a place that does healthy bowls or a Vietnamese restaurant that has rightness noodles and pho or, um, anyways, there's a lot of, you know, I'm trying to think of some of the places in Nashville will do more of a grass fed burger from a place. So I mean, we definitely order in or do door dash sometimes, but, um, I think we're just really aware that we're trying to get as much real food in her diet as possible. And listen, on occasion, if she would go to a birthday party, I'm not going to encourage her to eat cake, but if she only has it once a month, Chelsea and I,
Josh Axe (45:11.638) are probably a little lax and saying, have it the one time. This isn't really good for you, but if you have it just once, it's fine. And I guess that's our general philosophy.
Doug Smith (45:18.107) Yeah, I was gonna ask what you mentioned treats. So are you guys basically from the viewpoint like no sugar whatsoever? I'm just curious what a treat look like. Okay, yeah. Okay.
Josh Axe (45:29.267) No, we use honey, we use maple syrup, we use a little bit of monk fruit, stevia. Now, those are less calorie or no calorie, but yeah, we use honey and stevia on occasion, coconut sugar. So no, listen, I'm not no sugar. I don't think keto is good for most people. I wouldn't give it to kids unless they had epilepsy or something like that where we really have to do something to retrain the nervous system. But no, we do a little bit of sugar. It's that It's not a high sugar diet. I mean, the sugar that might, that our ones get is from fruit. That's where she's getting her and maybe a little bit of honey. If we make a pumpkin pie, we'll use honey or even chocolate chip cookies. We are pancakes. We put a little bit of honey in that, but really her sweeteners are honey and fruit. No.
Doug Smith (46:11.679) Okay. Well, hey, we're coming into a close for our time. So I'll just leave this really open-ended. Anything else on your heart for leaders today?
Josh Axe (46:18.354) Oh man, I could just go and go and go. So that's a tough thing for me. You know, I'll say this. I think that if you want to grow to the highest level possible, I know we probably have some CEOs on here, executives, people just anywhere in business, there's probably some entrepreneurs on here. And people just generally want to grow in leadership. But I would say grow yourself. You know, I think that that's something I'm keenly aware of. But don't just grow yourself. Here's how I think about this.
Doug Smith (46:20.095) Go!
Josh Axe (46:47.87) What I try and do is I try and master one topic and go really deep there for a period of time. So let me give you an example. It could be, let's say it's leadership. Let's say this year for you, it's leadership or let's say it's mindset. So you want to really grow and mindset. What I would do is write down, hey, what are five to 10 to 12 leadership or mindset books you want to read? You know, OK, so you got those. What are some podcasts you want to listen to? What are some social channels you want to follow? Uh, you know, and, and what I, what I try and do is I will then, um, I will then go through all those topics and then I'll create presentations on them. So for instance, somebody could read my book, think this, not that they can go through the whole book. What I do every time, by the way, I don't, when I read a book, even if it's an audio book, I will, I will take notes. So I'll highlight and then I'll type them out, uh, because I'll remember them better. And then oftentimes I'll turn it into a presentation and go over that with my team.
Doug Smith (47:25.972) Hmm
Josh Axe (47:45.822) Or send it out to people, use it in some way. And I probably retain 90% of what I read because I take the note and I. Type it out. And then I put it into a PowerPoint and then I teach on it. So I remember almost all of us as most people might only remember 10% of what they read. And so that's something Michael high had a good friend of mine taught me how to, you know, really taught me how to do. And it was, it was really benefited me greatly. So I would say go deeper. A lot of us kind of stay superficial. We read, maybe we read a lot, but it's just a lot of things. And it's a spattering things here or there. You'll learn a lot more if you take one topic and go really, really deep on that topic, um, and work on mastering that topic. By the way, here's an example in my career. I'll just give an example. In my career early on, I was known as the, uh, the real food guy. Okay. So Dr. Axe teaches you how to eat real food. Okay. And then later on, I started a program called the secret detox. It was all, there's a detox program. I was known as the detox doc.
Doug Smith (48:11.38) in.
Josh Axe (48:40.714) And then I came up with this program called Healing Leaky Gut. And people started saying, oh, he's the gut expert. Well, then I did a program on essential oils. And I was like, oh, he's the essential oils guy. Well, then I eventually did one on keto and wrote a book on it and did a deep dive there. And then it was the ancient nutrition or collagen doctor. Here's the thing, I think a lot of times people just try and do everything. You're a lot better off if you absolutely focus on it. I'm gonna master it. So when I studied essential oils, I read everything there was about essential oils.
Doug Smith (49:00.308) Hmm
Josh Axe (49:10.198) Textbooks, regular books, articles, medical journals, they read everything. After a year, I really knew essential oils well. If I was on a podcast, I could, as good as almost anybody in the world, share, what are the benefits of essential oils or whatever it might be. So I think a lot of time in life, we don't go deep enough of saying, I'm going to work on mastering this one topic over the next six months or year or three years. Think about it, if somebody would do this,
Doug Smith (49:22.91) Hmm. 30.507) Thank you.
Josh Axe (49:37.694) in the field of leadership. Let's say I want to do that in leadership and I'm going to read a book a month for the next three years. And they read 36 books and not just 36 books, they'd taken notes on those, plug them into a power or and by the way, maybe you have your team plug it into a PowerPoint. You know, maybe and when I listen to an audio book, what I'll do is I'll stop it and then I have my notes open and I'll voice out what I just heard or something similar to what I just heard. And then that'll turn into my notes. So I do this while I'm listening to an audio book.
Doug Smith (49:53.857) Hmm.
Josh Axe (50:06.302) And while I'm actually reading a book, but if you read 36 books on leadership and at 36 presentations based off of a book you read, you'd be in the top one in 10,000 people in leadership or one in a hundred thousand more likely of experts in that area. So that's what I would suggest is pick what is the one thing. Is it mindset? Is it leadership? Is it a subcategory of that? Is it limiting beliefs? Is it, uh, identity? Is it psychology, whatever it is. go super, super deep on that topic. And it's actually easier than to get booked on podcasts. It's easier to present once you really have mastered that topic. So that's what I would say I'd encourage everybody to do. And I actually go through a little bit more in my book, Think This Not That, sort of my process of exactly how I do that in different topics and lay that out. But that's what I would encourage everybody to do.
Doug Smith (50:55.407) Yeah, well, this has been great. And again, thank this not that will include a link to everything in the show notes that Dr. X talked about. Also, you have your own podcast, you want to give a quick plug for that people can connect with
Josh Axe (51:04.682) Yeah, yeah, my podcast is the Dr. Axe show. I have a lot of people follow on YouTube because it's a video show as well. So you just go to YouTube and search Dr. Josh Axe find the podcast. We've had some great guests had Dave Ramsey on Tim Thiebaud, Carrie Underwood, all kinds of people, a lot of real and a lot of lead of people that are leadership focused Donald Miller, Michael Hyde, a lot of others. And so I think you'd really enjoy that podcast on social media, I'm saying Instagram, you could follow or Facebook or whatever social platform you're on. Dr. Josh Axe. And again, the book is Think This Not That. It's amazon.com. And by the way, if you go and get the book, you could just go to joshaxe.com. And I also have a free mindset masterclass. And it's a three part video series that if you go on there and get the book through that we give you the whole master. It's a $200 value, you actually get it for free. If you go on through joshaxe.com. So Doug, thanks so much for having me on. This has been a lot of fun. I love what you're doing with leadership. So thanks again.
Doug Smith (52:05.563) Yeah, likewise. And on behalf of millions of people that you've helped, thank you for just following God's plan for your life, obeying that. And I can't wait to see how he uses you in the years to come. Thanks again.
Josh Axe (52:14.199) Thanks.
Doug Smith (52:16.349) way.
