The glasses hit the floor and the shit hits the fan at Godmother's "sexhibition" as Fleabag comes face to face with her guilt, her grief, and one perfectly timed Bank Manager.
The glasses hit the floor and the shit hits the fan at Godmother's "sexhibition" as Fleabag comes face to face with her guilt, her grief, and one perfectly timed Bank Manager.
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We have a fix on us, you know, um, I will be there to cupcake. Hello. And welcome back to the three bags situation. I'm Allan Poe. Torrente. I'm Chrissy Moore, and I wanted to do a quick side note before we get started just to point out that Chrissy wrote that ad and all the other ones because she is a brilliant, hilarious genius. Now, moving on, Allie, Thank you so much. You're so welcome. Garsh going all I
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gotta do the rest of this. Here's the thing is great when you have just great source material honest people from, so I can only take half credit. But thank
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you. Really, But I will take half Phoebe. You want to send some checks my way? So we're back? Yeah, our recording back to back again so that we couldn't just get t cranking them
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out. So because we want it, like we said, we do wanna line up season two with the Emmys next week. So, uh, this episode should be coming out by, like, hopefully, maybe
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Friday broken for, But find out together we will see Stay tuned
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to see when this episode is Really you know what day it is? We don't. Well, we
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do have a few
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dates. We don't really have a topical updates, cause again, we're working in a vacuum for this week and flea bag. But we do have a few dates to look forward to, Which is this Sunday. The 22nd is the Emmys and October 5th, which, frighteningly, is only like, two weeks away. And I don't want to talk about it. Uh, she will be on SNL hosting with Taylor Swift of musical guest. Will we see a cameo from Inter Scott or somebody from the show? Honestly, maybe you know what we might see a day Craig Cameo. Oh, yeah, right. James Bond thing
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I'm here for.
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Yeah, um, and we'll definitely we will be doing episode, So we'll be talking about that after that. Don't worry. Yeah, we are. Also, if there's anything we're Maurin to than fleabag, it's SNL. So, like my
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head, no, really gonna be hard.
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I actually, I think took, like, 10 years off of my life reading that headline that she was gonna host.
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Honestly, I'm not
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sure trying to recover two great tastes that taste great together.
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Uh, then something we keep
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forgetting to mention somehow is Friday, October 18th is when modern Love premieres on Amazon Prime. And it's going to put an episode with Andrew Scott and Aton of other people. It's like Tina Fey, John Slattery, Dev Patel and Hathaway, Catherine Keener. Andy Garcia like, star studded.
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And it's like based off of stories from the modern love section of the New York Times. Yeah. Think Sunday. New York. Yeah. Okay. It's on the New York Times. Yeah, it would have been, like, 50
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seven sections now, So really, that's from one of those, But it does look really good, and that's again. That's only a few weeks away. And then I I wanted to bring up a couple of observations that we missed in previous episodes. One day I meant to mention eggs. I think about it just constantly in the back of my head of
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the show, something else. I meant
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to mention the scene with the bank manager when they're out smoking and talking the way we're kind of seeing him deal with his indiscretions and his faults. It's so strikingly the opposite of what Martin is doing because Martin also has indiscretions to kind of make up
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well, we
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don't know if he's got, like, romantic indiscretions. We just know he's gross. Yeah, and he definitely is also a disappointing man. And so I just I was interested in the bank manager is using, like vulnerability and taking responsibility and taking kind of the right way yes, to build himself back up. Yes, whereas Martin is like numbing himself with alcohol and denying any guilt and telling fleabag he feels unappreciated. So fuck you, Martin. Honestly. So So that was something I realized. I forgot to say. Lester on that episode and then another good point that came up about Episode two from Geraldine, who e mailed us. Was that the scene? One arsehole. Guys like tossing her around in bed and like, pushes her head down that it was as if to say, like she wasn't important in the act. But she she did the same to Harry when they were in bed together. And she just like she's putting quotes like Finish yourself off like he's totally relevant. And then even when he kissed her on the cheek, she, like, jumped like she forgot, he flinched. Yeah, that's when he was telling you, like, be more present breakfast. So that's true again. She's a standard getting something that she herself does. So thank you, Geraldine, for that email and for listening. Yeah, that was great.
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So I wanted to let everybody know that we actually don't have to do this pockets episode because the director Harry Brad Pierre, did it for us. No, Um, he did an interview with variety dot com and 2017 and, um, basically broke down this episode, which was pretty great, um, and told us that behind the scenes nuggets, so I'll be sticking those in throughout. Perfect. Get pumped. All right, well, let's just get right into
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it and we'll be right back to talk about Episode six. The season What? Okay, we're back on the back situation, and we're getting ready to talk about Episode six of Season one, which is written by Phoebe Waller Bridge and directed by Harry Brad Beer And just like we opened on her having sex with our soul guy in the Episode one, we opened up so six with the same thing. Except this time they're just like she's facing a wall. She's just so not into. It's uncomfortable. It's actually like her little Yeah, and, uh, and then he says he wants to see those tiny things
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again. Just rub it in.
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And now he moves into the bed and she's saying, like, Stay sexy, only stay sexy and I took. This is like she's just starting to break down again, and her value is, we know, like her biggest fear is that nobody's gonna want to fuck her anymore.
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Yeah, and I feel like that's just a mantra, she says to herself. Always day sexy. That is the only time you have value. If no matter the cost on your sanity
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or sell right? It's like her version of Glengarry Glen Ross. Like instead of Always Be selling Always be closing. Close those because stay sexy, which is ass is the acronym for that.
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So Thio so layers. But yeah, and then he's
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like May I, like, flips her over the
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key. Can't ask her like he has trouble asking up the leg up, up the bone. Yeah, but yeah, she's just
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having zero fun through all of this, and it turns out he is, too, because he loses his erection and she now is like, Oh, God, there's always a stage when someone's falling in love with you and they lose their erection
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And also she's been there before,
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which is interesting, Yeah, and is, like, annoyed at it.
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Yeah, and then, No, I just want to sex,
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you know, they confuse you, they get confused, they panicked, stakes get too high and everything is fucked. And this reminds me I mean, this was not intentional, obviously on her part, but reminds me of the conversation with the priest before they have sex, where he's like he's saying up front, like the stakes are too high and, like I'm gonna fall in love and my life's gonna be fucked. And again, this was completely unintentional passion, but
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well, maybe they included it later. And I don't
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know. I just struck me when I watched it.
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No, it's definitely a parallel,
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Um, and then we she wakes up. It is all reminiscent of again the opening scene of episode one, but she wakes up and she sees this pencil on the side table. And now we get this flashback of her
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That's such a sweet scene of hers,
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like reading a paper in the cafe and boost feeding Hillary's carrots, which I suspect, then the cafe wasn't super
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busy either. I thought was interesting. But maybe it was like in the morning, maybe right as well. They're not supposed to be, like, bustling. Yeah, they haven't opened yet. Yeah, yeah. Uh, and then we She's
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reading the story in the paper about this 11 year old boy who was put in juvenile prison for sticking rubber, the rubber ends of pencils,
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hamsters, and I thought it was interesting, just like she's so close to her limit like her. Everything inside her is so tumultuous. It is about to explode because all it takes is for her to look at it. Wake up, look at a pencil. Yeah, and then go to this memory like it's She is just the drop of a hat right going there. She cannot repress it anymore.
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Yeah, everything. There's a story for everything that links back to actually, And I thought we see that booze Heart is so big because she was like,
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Why would they do that? And you think it's again? Why would somebody stick a pencil with hamsters as? But she's like, No, why would they send
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him to jail like he needs help? And like she's just seeing the best in Florida people
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And I love that, like book shows us how to be a better person. I enjoy, like it's always nice when you're, like, intentional like I don't know. It seems like the P W. B is like, this is the ideal office. She obviously she's flying, but she's a loving, understanding person. She shows compassion and also she like she was sleeping example of how to be a good person, and now she's gone and not like not only asleep lost her best friend and soul mate and business partner partner. She's also lost her moral compass around her like guide. But then going into
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this next point where Boo said, he's obviously not happy, happy people wouldn't do things like that. And I This is exactly what I was saying about Boo in the beginning that, like her decision, her plan to like I'm gonna step in the bike lane and make him come see me at the hospital like that's not something a happy person does know. So she's really saying something here, that brilliance up, applying to her like happy people don't do things like that also. Well, I was just saying Maybe now Fleabag is starting to realize this. And when you were saying like all these memories of boo like make you look so perfect and maybe in her memory, she's kind of idolizing her, idealizing her a little bit and now more of like maybe some of the negatives. Not negative. But the stuff's coming through that she may be, hadn't noticed before.
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She's like allowing herself to to go back there, reality or periods. I think, Yeah, I also just had to jump when she's like happy people wouldn't do things like that. I had to jump. Acted like my favorite quote from Legally Blonde. She was like exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. How many people just don't shoot their husbands? E. I just couldn't separate that. Something's not the same at all. So 40 But you're welcome. Yeah, And then boost is that's the very reason
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why they put rubbers on the ends of
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pencils. Just what the forecasters think. No, because people make mistakes. And so then when she wakes
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up and now are are so guys just sitting there with the side of the bed it brings back, Yeah, and now you know what he's like. Oh, about last night and even talking about what happened that night. I don't usually connect with women because I know that's what I like about you. And
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she's already creating distance, like I think she knows. And even
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the idea that he might be in love with her now she's trying to, like, push that away
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like, No, I don't like I don't want you to be in love, right? Yeah, And maybe she's
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also bracing that she sends is this is not working out and that she's convincing herself like, Well, no, I don't have feelings anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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You know what? We I had one more thing to talk about. When Booth is like, um, have you people make mistakes? That's like the whole thing of absolute. It's just the show. People make the stakes because we're three dimensional. We're human. You were human forgiveness. Please. Everyone has reasons for doing what they're doing, and we're all trying the best we can. And that's creditors. Erasers. Yeah, that's cut each other's coaching her some
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slack and help each other out so are sold by now. You know he's nervous. Is that the end of the bed? He's, like, nervous about something, and I like how he goes. This must be what Insecure feels like, which is a reflection of the character
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will get me being stupid.
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He's just never had to worry about it.
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Lives in the bubble. Another 30 rock reference. Sorry, guys. This is really about that this is
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actually a 30 rock podcast.
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Arise, stupid. Okay. The whole soundtrack for 30 rockets on Spotify thing yet to meet her husband, do it every year. So back to the
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show we're actually talking about, which
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is fleabag. So he says he wants to speak
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about later, wants to find the right words, and he'll see her sex ambition that lied and is just That's gonna be my new farewell. Say goodbye theater. I like biology. See, with this exhibition, honestly, gonna hold you to that says he's gonna leave for yoga and the
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way he kisses his
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fingers and puts them on her mouth. And then he sort of wiggles
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them like you hurt me back for her to kiss them And she kind of
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looks over and like, kisses them and her face is so perfect here. It's like a little too second acting masterclass because it's like she's like It's like terror, confusion, disbelief, curiosity. And then you kind of just the rule and then looks a lot like doesn't like two seconds seconds. Genius. I wanted as a gift. I haven't found it. You could make
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it only what yourself, girl, you need to show me howto make gifts because I'm old. Then they're arriving in this exhibition finally,
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and I love godmothers. Comment to her about ourselves well clung to just digging it and again like she usually has someone different every time.
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So our first director, Harry Brad Beer Nugget for you in the variety article, he said. He said this and I actually was surprised. I was like, Oh, it's really that simple He said, Godmother basically put together this exhibition to humiliate you like it's not like about her art or whatever it is. There's one troll, but she does, like, just hand her the Champaign. You know, she does make her a waitress immediately. But he said in a
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embarrassing that it's about sex in her father's
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Clea. I know, he said. Quote. She spent a great deal of flea bags. Father's money on this vanity project This exhibition is a collection of articles which were there to commemorate her sexual life and the power she has over flea bag vanity project for Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, I know. He also said that this exhibition takes place at the Tate Modern in London, on the top floor overlooking the Thames, which had quote a natural brightness which cut against the darkness of the story is the location was a great metaphor. Met affair. The location was a great metaphor for fleabag as a whole. Oh, that's cool. I know. Interesting. I wondered if that looked like a nice place. They're having it. So now, that's why it was kind of sounded like it was kind of hard for them to
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secure that I would imagine the Tate Modern.
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Um, yeah, Totally. So then So then Godmother continues being a con And does it get boring people telling you how gorgeous you are? All that done, And, uh, school guys like a lead a little, uh, you got answers. It genuinely sincerely. Yeah. And I thought I took This is
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almost like a gender swapped, like him just being objectified solely for their looks, which is usually a female thing and that women are just, you know, it does get boring. Having just your appearance commented on whether gorgeous or not.
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Yeah, just wait,
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That's all. Waiting out your Harvey to talk about exactly
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even with other women. Oh, no, I totally almost especially with you know. So she keeps telling
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fleabag how grateful she is that she's there and even says like, I won't forget this. And
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you're like here? Yeah. Like something about yeah. Then she hands
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with this tray of champagne and their bottles for topping up and gives her name tag. This is here to help and is literally just make making her a waitress in front of everybody. And that little push when she puts the name tag honor is obviously this little like retaliation for this show of in the hallway.
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She that is like a forceful push. Oh, yeah, it's definitely not to
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be like you push me on pushing you. Yeah, yeah, so just such a blatant power thing And like we were talking about when you like, as if they've discussed this,
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Yeah, like you know the way. All right, Right. But then that way, like she can't really protest because there's just so much getting she's just she's just being talked at and like, she doesn't really know it's happening. And all of sudden she has addition. Her hand right, the name tag on And, well, then if And even
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at this early point, like if she pushes back, she's the one making a scene right, even though she's the one who's been put on the spot totally, she has no, there's nowhere for her to go. And then what's really bad is our sole guy that just takes the glass off the tray
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because that's the way she's like looking at him like, Can you believe this? Like support me here? And he just like, Well, thanks for the champagne. Yeah, and I,
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you know, again, you could you could watch Season two on its own, But I feel like if you've watched season one, you really get the nuance of you know where the characters are. Because here's a case again, where she's looking for someone to connect to, like, Can you believe this is happening? And he's just not that person. No, not because she doesn't really have anybody at this point. No. Now we're cutting to Godmother opening up the sex addition.
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It's all about
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the beauty of sex and how it brings us all together and that you know that this is the theme of her show when we've actually been watching fleabag completely disengaged from people through sex. Yeah, it hasn't brought her closer to anybody at all. And she's on Lee now, sort of starting to figure that out, right? And then, you know, sex brings life and cuts to now boost sobbing because we know that for fleabag like her need for sex is what actually brought about booze. Death. So the guilt of that, Which kind of going back to Harry Brad Bird's point, all of this feels like she is just hitting. Flee back with all of her my idea insecurities and, you know, uh, fears Yes or no wonder she loses it. Oh, yeah, It's like she was basically start this whole show said a provocation totally. And then bring in a little humor, which is telling everyone she first climax at age 11 and 1/4 by accident on a B day,
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which, of course, be day which is of course, here, Right? That's of course, that's what. What did she have like Has
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she saved that her whole life? Did she have to go get it from her old
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house? I feel like she was really a weird super RC who was like, obsessed with, like, telling her story. And so, from day one, so like, I feel like she probably went to fifth grade. This is import. Yeah. Did you hear what I did on the B day? I I also like that she says, like I was 11 and 1/4 because that's like such a kid think so. It kind of makes you feel like she's been telling the story since she was 11 and 1/4 because it just the same one like over
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shoulder and, uh, now talks about this piece that was stolen from her studio and is looking at flea bag the whole time and flee. That kind of looks over at a smart with a smile like a naughty, But then she spends it into, like godmother like, spends it into this like that. It was intentional, or it ended up being this like gift because it symbolized how women are robbed of the freedom of their happiness and their bodies, and that it's her most profound work to date. A woman robbed That's not even there. And it's literally like the emperor's new clothes, where she's like making something out of nothing
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and making and everybody's all right and this Chris. But it's like, yes, she made a piece of art out of nothing. She also is making this, like Big Dig at Fleet Oh, yeah, out of nothing ran. Who didn't hurt me, right? I'm calling out I'm actually calling out to
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all these people exactly what you did,
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and I'm looking at you on saying it. I, um honestly, it was kind of heartbreaking is like when fleabag smiles to herself. And then that smile
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just drops off her face when she starts to Caesar. Dad looking at her and look.
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And then also I thought it was interesting. There's a lot of ways. Thio. Well, first of all, she says, her brutal snatching. Yes, guys, it's sexual. But then we like when she's calling it a woman. Robbed. There's more meaning. Um, we later learned that the statues based off her mother, who had a double mastectomy and was robbed of her amazing boo I had bottled it. I guess we didn't at this point, she didn't know that was but but I'm just pretending, Uh, deep down it was subconscious. She knew. I also, you know, if we're really, really reaching but but my mother robbed them of rob them of their home of their memorial in for their mom of the part of their family. Their dad is like a mess now, right? That doesn't help, but it would be less. I see if right there wasn't around, it's true. So it's like a lot
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of people are robbed. That's a good point, Uh, and probably also letting fleabag. No, like I'm robbed on robbed because of you. It's about me, of course. And when she says her speech is really about power and looks directly a fleabag,
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that brings Brad Beers thing really focused. So yeah, it's like, Oh, yeah, she's
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literally saying it right And you know, she even keeps looking at her when she gestures for dad to come on stage with her and I just took. This is like she's letting her know like I'm in your dad's life and I'm in your life. There's nothing you can do about it and I'm even gonna humiliate you in the process. This brings up a point from an email we got from Liz, who said, We see Fleabag is this woman who is very straightforward and knows what she wants. It was so infuriating to watch how God mother treats her, especially the sex ambition bossing her around and telling her to do this and do that and flea bag does exactly that. I keep wondering why is that and Why didn't she ever just tell her to fuck off? And I
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think like we said
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last time, like it's is that respect for her father. And she's just trying to maintain some sense of decorum and facade, even though everybody knows she doesn't like her and doesn't respect. Er, um, I mean. And then by the end of the episode, obviously that has fallen completely by the wayside.
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Like you were saying, She's It's it's a sport. So she said, I think she's, I think. But that's I think, like a defense mechanism is like This all sucks. I'm gonna decide it's fun and right purpose because that's the only thing she can. D'oh! Because it is a path. So like what I think is interesting is that she's like this. Isn't this exhibit the sex ambition? You're literally called the sex addition? She's saying, It's not about sex. It's about how sex is a tool to bring life, to connect. People control things. It's about power. And, you know, like we said over fleabag. And what I think is interesting is like your fleabag knows back. No, sex is about power, cause that's why she's obsessed with it. because it's the only country feels powerful, invaluable
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right in control of something? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But well, And I think part of it is also that she knows that her reaction like her being mad about it, is what God mother wants. So the more she just takes it and acts like everything's great in a way that's denying godmother this reaction. This
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is like a little kids I know well, because then, even at the end,
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when she does finally break down now it's like I'm other just really has that over her. Like, Wow, look at how it's gas lighting. Really. It's like I'm you're giving a reaction to something that is based on a lie.
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Perfectly pleasant. Yeah, look, where did this come from? And like, Well, I can't be around you. You're
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crazy, even though I've done things that have driven you guys, even when you are completely justified in acting the way you are. So
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thank you for that observation and question. Liz. Yes, absolutely. So next Fleabag is doing her job drinks, and I like she's like, keeps calling clear Where's Claire's? But, um, then she finds arsehole. Guy is staring at the wall. We don't see what he's looking at, Rice goes. He's just looking at
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the wall and he just goes. Is it weird that my mouth's watering? And we cut to reveal a wall full of
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dicks? So good and I That's another. I'm like he's gay. There's a spectrum and he's on it. I also Harry Brad Beer in that article in varieties called the Wall of Cocks. A real tour de force by the production designer Jonathan Polgreen. Um, apparently they're all dildos casting clay. Okay, imagine what a fun job. Hi. I need 36 dildos like varying shapes. My job is weird. Like damn. And apparently, obviously Pito baby was in an integral role advising them how she imagined. Yeah. Can you imagine that covers?
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Oh, my God. But then I guess he said that he productions are kind of just have fun with it. Like, put his own spin on it, but yeah, just
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to know that's the moment where
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you're like I chose the right industry. Like my job for the day is to like me to go all flocks of cocks and Penis it like and then thio show it to, you know, like
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there were discussions, right? They, like, stood in front of it and they were like, Oh, maybe this angled. Maybe this one on the left, right? Maybe this one
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should be turning to the left to the
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right. Like this one. It's off balance. It's so great. Well, here's what I wanna know. Where is it now? Oh my God, I hope it's one of their home. I hope somebody working imagine coming across that like us storage. It's some like Prop Master in
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London is like looking for a rug or something for a set. And he's like,
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Oh, my God, like a rug with perks As Fleabag says, Well, yeah, you know, she
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says, Oh, it's really, really moving in present, which I that's interesting that she's
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I think she's just like, this is what you say is right. She did
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with Thea with the silent retreat. Yeah, and when she goes, Oh, you know, it's a rug with parks. Uh, you know, I'd love to have one of these on my floor, and she's like, What? These air This is very nailed nails very securely, like you can't steal this and then have you found your father yet which, of course, is phrase to sound like Where is he? Just a go. I think I saw him over by the I forget what? Where she saw him. And she goes,
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Oh, no, Like which? He said which penises? His. And she's just purposely
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making her uncomfortable again. Just reminding her like, I've had this closeness with your dad, But then the vest is she actually throws her by correctly picking the
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right. I know it well, so I tried to like she just kind of points. Yeah, but it sort of looks like she's pointing to the one that's, like very obviously, like, turn to the right. And I feel like that would be that hard to forget Did you know? You know, you know, So because I was like, I can honestly say I could not her dad. I couldn't pick my dad. No, me neither. And I'm fine with that. Okay. That's
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why I really need to
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think about it, that my dad's also urologist. I So
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yeah, and I remember one of my friends back in my old job was like Chrissy, your
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dad has been urologist for 30 years. He's seen thousands of people. Thousands. What? He's seen it all like, it doesn't faze him at all. And I told my
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dad that and he goes, Oh, it's like looking at a knee.
spk_1: 27:17
Oh, yeah, means nothing. Just another Penis. Just pneumonia. So that's hysterical. This that's a fun fact. All right, now we go out to I also just
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love any time fleabag like, throws off godmother. When she does, she let you. You could tell the O That's right. Like, walks
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over. Yeah, she has. Yes, you Her face falls. She's like, Oh, yeah, I hate that. Like she was trying to be like, I know something about your dad you don't know. And then fleabag knew which was very
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well. That didn't work it by. So now, arsehole. Guy and flea bagger out smoking by the river, and, uh, she starts talking about, like, how I lost my, uh, you
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can't say Well, you know, he says
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erection, But then she's like, makes him say it again.
spk_1: 28:00
And she just fucks with him because he's like, because he's kind of just going to do what she says, I guess you know, I'm kind of wound into her web. She doesn't even say it
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like I didn't hear you. She's like, say it again. Direction, direction. But now you know. He says he's in love and he needs to tell her. And of course you think this means her. I'm in love and I've never felt this way, whatever. And
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she's feeling really good. She's like home. I've been here before. I feel powerful, feel powerful
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in that she's about to turn him down. And I I honestly kind of saw this turn coming. Yeah, yeah, And you know that, uh, he's in love with somebody else and has to tell her and, you know, she's kind of, you know, acting like she's clearly a little hurt by it, even though she's like, it's not a big deal.
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But again, she's not as good at hiding right now like she's no,
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everything's right at the search of lost control and that it's funny that he's like, Oh, she's got you know she doesn't satisfy me physically. She's got this really massive, bouncy tits that don't do anything for me, which is like every man's porn fast its
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arsehole guy and calls Believe I got sexy Plate is you came in here like a sexy plank. Bit my much her face
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when he says that is so great and apologizes to lead her on. But, you know, she claims she's had no emotional attachment and, um, you know, and when he's like, Oh, yeah, I knew you wouldn't give a shit
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which How hurtful is that? I know. And she's also, like, immediately like, No, you know, my ex is due back any day, like alive. A replacement. It's fine. Like, I will have someone. Yes, which is Don't worry about me. She can't imagine not being with such can Imagine meeting. Someone will show up to be with me and also, you know, probably feel like whatever. 3 to 4 years, Harry has come back. Right? But he's not back. Yeah, and which we can't really
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couldn't front that in a second, but yeah, when his parting word it would be an even when he goes, I knew you would give a shit. It's like not only my dumping you, but I'm telling you, you have, like, no human feeling
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and that he believed like we could tell that she was cracking. Oh, yeah, he believed the facade and it's a nice because he's never getting out of the hot priest immediately seeing through our yes, which is like, um,
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her quick glance it, it's like she's embarrassed, but she's trying to hold it together, but it's not great.
spk_1: 30:22
Yeah, doesn't really know what she's telling us. I think like right, Yeah,
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and yeah, and it's almost like she's kind of not thrilled that we're there now
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to see this because it's not her concocted story line of
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Yeah, it's like a hard truth here. Oh, yeah, and, uh, Cole's Claire. And this line, I thought, had double meaning to where she was. I can't survive much longer in the sea of penises, which obviously refers to this exhibition, but it's also kind of a descriptor of like her mental state of like, I can't just keep fucking around
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now. Totally. I also immediately was like godmothers. Next piece, Sea of penises, just a wall of cocks. But it's plain to painted blue, and then the little penises are are the the normal sized pizzas. Her fish like you paint adult penises. Got my you jumped Thio like painting
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the Penis. Is this fish? Is this your new fan art that you're going to sell X er it?
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Yeah, yes. Uh, maybe we got a skull P. I feel like brought that toe work, Christine and made it this What you wanted, isn't It was way both Really? This is This is good, right? Yeah. Eyes each are coming. I know when she's calling Claire. She's like, I don't know anyone. So because again, she can't be alone. Which makes sense because Godmother is on the warpath. We've know now that the whole sex mission was to get rare. So, like she's just not feeling in there by yourself. You need something on her team. She also can't just say clear. I need you here because you're my sister and I don't have to have an excuse.
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And I'm having a hard time,
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right? She needs to be like, I'm There's no one here, you know, Like, come up with something. Yeah,
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And then her ex does turn up again because she turns around and sees this plaster statue of Harry staring back at her. And she said that allowed Harry. And then the real Harry turns around to reveal that he's there,
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which I love. How playful the blocking of that scene is because totally right as she she'll steal looks at it, says Harry, looks at us and makes a face. And right as she's turning a look at us, Harry is turning. Look at her. It's like a beautiful love that yeah, and the, uh, I also just think it's
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weird in a way that God, mother and fathers seem to have some ongoing relationship with
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a video that he's still that Yeah, because, like Claire and yeah, and like she remember, like maybe the 1st 2nd episode. She's like, If you see him, I'm a Rex, Like As if so, Claire would like, see Harry? Yeah, on her own.
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Or that when God Mother said about his new job, how did
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she know about that? They also talked, and we will get to this season to someone pointed
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out that I had never noticed this in, like 20 viewings of the last episode of Season two.
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He's at the wedding. Yeah, he and
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Elena in the back of the baby never have
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alone. Oh, that's at the church, the church. But no, they
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never have a line at the wedding. Just background, which is again They obviously had this relationship
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with that. So then we're like, OK, Harry, there's a blessed her mold of you without a Penis. So she asked her, Like What's up with that? And he says, She just covered me in plaster and left me in the garden for a couple hours. Like cash. NBD like it. It's art. Okay, He's such
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a pushover. And then, you know she's genuinely happy to see him. Yeah, partly signal your face. You've just been dumped, you know? So good. Get so good to see you. And then, old son, it's like, Oh, lanes like, Hi. I'm here,
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bitch. Like, I've heard all about you.
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Yeah, like, really makes a point to, like, be, like, high on the lanes in mine.
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I don't even think she says,
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I think he says this is Elaine. And so Elaine, excuse yourself and says it was really nice to meet you even though they have not been introduced. So yeah, clearly, Harry has told her there was a story. She knows who she had enough, and then stay away from butcher's knives. Exactly. And my been showers and Elaine greets godmother with hug and like, they clearly have had to know each other. So there's been this kind of whole background relationship, and then fleabag just gets throughout. This whole thing gets sadder and sadder. First, asking like to just see that really good looking guy I was with. And he's like, Oh, I saw him outside. I saw a guy outside.
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It's like Yeah, yeah, the good looking one. It
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was like believing. And then she kind of even then can't keep up. The facade was like, Well, he just bought me this
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whole episode. She she is losing her facade. It is too much work. She's not have the emotional capacity, right? It's all so she could see it working in her favorite cause. She's like I'm available. Yeah, you know, it's one. Last
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year, Chan, right? And Harry says the godmother told them that fleabag was okay with everybody working on the exhibit, and that made it sound like they had discussed it, which clearly
spk_1: 35:05
him and even godmother looks overseas that they're talking. It's kind of like me over here, and they talk
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about the fact that the statue has no Penis. I don't know why she it was like, Yeah,
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come on a
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lot of things, but, like Dumb is not stupid. Not one of them, like she knows the dynamic of their relationship.
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I think it's also like she pointed out, that fleabag had the power in that relationship, like the big dick energy. But I also want to point out that I did a type of when I wrote that I wrote Big Dig. I thought that was a joke. No. Well, okay, yes, nevermind ISO on purpose for sure. I like both of them, but that just worked out. My brain was smarter than my mind. There you go. And
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then you know he goes, I should go finally. And she doesn't like being left on her own flesh needed to
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sleep. Harry does have a type,
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right? That's true. But yeah, the fact that he's telling her like, Well, I'm gonna leave you someone who doesn't like to be alone, right with the person I actually care about now and pulls up like she's got, like, one more heroin. Her quiver and is just like you've still got some stuff at the flat, like she's just trying Everything been rolling around her lingerie all over it, and she's just trying every possible tactic that has worked in the past, right? Right, And it's so sad. It's hard to watch and then the last, As if she's not like, bottomed out enough has to ask, Hey, do you still wink about me sometimes and says it like like
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at least there's that before
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and it's like my all sexually desirable anymore.
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Like, Do I have some value? Do you see any value in me?
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And look, when he says no, like Houston or play that so perfectly
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like his eyes, Water looking eyes? Yeah, and he likes squints at her
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like I can't believe in Like he knows he's hurting her by saying no, but we also know it's true
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and he has it. He has to say it. He has to say it, but like, there's just pity
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in this, like sadness in his eyes like he can't believe she's come to this. Yeah, and you know. So he walks away, and now she got kind of looks at us like more hurt and discuss when she's like a lady, like agree with me, Yeah, and that this is a lane's fault, right? And it's like, No, you're the one who really kind of fucked this up.
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Yeah, he was gone before Elaine.
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Oh, absolutely. She's pouring champagne. She kind of flirts with guys battle. But even though our hearts probably kind of like just again,
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I think that's a certain national hadn't trying. She has to finally sees
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Claire is so relieved. But then Claire's acting weird, and it's because Martin comes in behind her. All worked up, and he gives fleabag another Hello, you so And it's kind of in this angry way where it's like he can't even say her name because he's, like, so upset because I'm gonna dig
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that kind of putting on a kind of putting on a show like this is how we greet each other, right? All right, Is this right? It's all normal.
spk_0: 37:50
Yeah, and, you know, says they almost didn't make it, but they didn't want with the old boy down. So they're there for Dad, not godmother. Interesting, which I think is a recurring theme with all of them. Yeah, so now Claire knows she's back down on what she's told fleabag about leaving Martin. They excuse themselves to look around, and it's like the final turn of the knife work out. Mother brings her trade these glasses and she said,
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Can you just do something with those? And that's just the left. Like she thought Claire was on her team. Claire shows up. She's excited. You clearly not on her team Now. She is truly alone. She has no Harry. She has no arsehole guy. She has no clear she can't like it. She just loses it rights for you know, it makes sense. Yeah, so she goes
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back, and now two starts drinking all the champagne and is thinking about Boo. And I wanted to mention the music here because this is this, like, jazzy like slap bait like stand up bass and but kind of like discordant. And I just wanted to mention Isabel Waller. Bridge is music because, you know, I think obviously Phoebe gets a lot of the spotlight, and this isn't just like, oh, I hired my sister because it's fine, like she's my sister. But like, she's the best person for like, this music is
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it carries us through it like guides us through the whole show.
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Yeah, it just sets the tone, and it reflects the tone and sets the tone. It's not distracting it. Compliments. What's happening? It really in its original. Like I haven't heard music like this on. Yeah, just work before that. So many different genres. And so I I feel bombed that she didn't get an Emmy nomination.
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I know it was so good, does it? Especially
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even in season two, I feel like it's so integral to the show.
spk_1: 39:27
Yeah, absolutely. It And it's like she captures chaos. Really? Yeah. Very capable guy
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through the emotional tone of the show. Well, now she fleabag a super drunk on. And this is like the final snap, where she see Godmother Caesar with the train, snaps her fingers at her, which remember The Sopranos when, like it's one of the first episodes. And Carmela had her friend catering and she, like waves, air over like the help. Yes, it's just like the international sign for like, comic con
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like cars on your beneath me rightly come serve Mai, I mean and godmother
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news that Oh yeah. So now fleabag just starts, drops the first class on the ground on the way to do that thing like to do this one that was someone is still even keep this up and the way her dad's like First whispers like Don't! And he shouts it. And you think she's gonna drop the next class and then she just turns the tray, which is great. Oh, it's so I mean, she's being a real breath.
spk_1: 40:23
No, she told me that you understand right where she's been, it's the whole. It's like This is the thing is the climax of their relationship. I also you know, she hasn't looked at us Zin in a while. She's like, totally on her own. She is in her head, feeling her feelings are pressing. For the first time, she is allowing herself to just let go. She just physically can't control. So he comes
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over and says, Will you stop making a spectacle of yourself and clean that up even though I'm like, Never mind, that godmother is literally clear spectacle of herself around them and the her
spk_1: 40:59
existence cobblers existence is a spectacle. Yeah, and you
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know, a lot of the provocation between fleabag and godmother takes place out of view of
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him, and I mean, I think he
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obviously knows they're not B f f's, but that
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and this is kind
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of again the gaslighting thing where it's like she's been provoked all night.
spk_1: 41:19
Yeah, and it's like they're the dab Dad won't be like, Why are you putting my daughter to work at this? Like this? Yeah. Why wouldn't he have
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stepped in a meal?
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She's not a waitress. Yeah, I guess that's a
spk_0: 41:29
good point. Um And then she says to him, You clean that up, which feels like you messed up this family by starting to fuck her. And like you brought her into this. You clean this up. Yeah. And let me, which is not a way to talk to your dad is really I created you, my God, and the way Godmother certain. Oh,
spk_1: 41:52
my God. That is the definition of a whimper. I don't think I've ever heard like an adult do that, though. On Li, like a small child
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or a dog. And like, she's so hurt. And then I had, you know, she speaks for all of us when flea bags like Oh, fuck, huh?
spk_1: 42:06
Because she flea bags like, are you falling like looks at her dad like you falling? Yes, right. Like come on. Yes. Can't you see through this right But then he becomes kind of
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surprisingly lucid and is like, I'm just gonna say this once I deserved to be happy. I'm allowed to move on. I have a good life and I'm happy, all right? And it's like the most eloquent he's ever been. Yeah, and he's really He understands why she's been acting this way and knows why she's been provoking godmother. And it's true, like he does deserve to be happy and move on.
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Yeah, I mean and fleabag maybe has
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not really seen anything from his perspective, right?
spk_1: 42:42
Oh, absolutely. And I think you know, he's choosing himself over her, which is not necessarily the worst thing. I mean, coming from doing it the whole time, but like he's really just like you. You need to get You need to figure your shit out. What I thought was so interesting is like they repress their emotions for so long. They do not communicate. They don't talk, they don't tell each other how they really feel. And then when they do, it's in front of all these people and very loud like it's just so they're probably all think it's part of the show. My God, wouldn't it be? It's our okay. I think there's
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also a little bit of you know when you're like a grown child of a parent, you always just think of them as your parents that their only relationship is as your mother for helping you support. Yeah, they're they're on Lee. Responsibility is the role they play in your life. And this is kind of reminding you of like, No,
spk_1: 43:29
I'm my own person. Like you're just
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one of your my daughter, but I have my own life outside of what I need to do for you. Totally and then But then under here, he's like, has all this bluster, and he's gonna go get my cardy from the
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car. It's a little chilly, like snap, Dad.
spk_0: 43:48
Yeah, he's really bringing it. And then God, Mother, I'm sorry you had to hear that, but you did have to hear it. And she's right. Yeah, You hate to say it, but even though
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ideally, not that situation, but right, it's like it was
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this whole thing to get me to hear that. But you could have just told me. Yeah. Yeah, like you hate to say it like she's got a fucking point.
spk_1: 44:12
So then Claire comes up. I would like to point out, clears crimped hair because, yes, it's 1997. She probably is a period, or she really doesn't know what to do. And just what the fuck was that? And flea bags. Not like they're for here. She's like, What the hell is he doing here? Like we had an agreement, we were on the same team that they're changing. Yeah, And then it's really just heartbreaking because she realizes, like, you know what? This is kind of like She realizes that when she realizes the priest is choosing God overheard, you're going to finally, you know, not know neither. And I'm saying she no,
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she just comptel clear shakes her head. No Mark comes around
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and they're sort of standing there like the last episode of the second season where they're standing in the kitchen like the triad, and they're all sort of right work in, you know, trying to figure out. But this time
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the two against one is Martin and Claire against flea bags of against Kelly, and she says he didn't try to kiss you. He says it was more the other way around. You know she's denying this just not true.
spk_1: 45:11
That's so hot. You just she can't hit. That is just the cherry on top. She cannot handle
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the scoff that Martin gives. I was like, Honestly, I'm surprised it took until season to me, too. And so when she goes, how can I believe you? Because because I'm your sister. Because after what
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you did to Boo and what struck me here was that I didn't realize
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fully. Backhoe told her the full story. Yeah, and is she the only person she told ended Claire? Tell Martin because of Martin has that information that might give him some ammo toe lie about what happened and say No. She kissed me because it's like Member. How she did that It
spk_1: 45:47
does. She's a pattern, says her pattern doesn't have bounder is right. It doesn't matter who you are, I thought to
spk_0: 45:53
seeing in Season two how Martin almost kind of wins her over again with that speech at the end. Like did he do a similar type of speech here? But it worked,
spk_1: 46:01
obviously, probably because sleep that goes like, oh, he has a little speech and then he's like, I have a little speech that's clearly like a thing he does, right. I also thought it was interesting that, like at first well, first of all, I want you like you have to think about the difference between this episode in the season and then the last episode of the last season, when he outcome is different, obviously, but it's different. It's like when he gave the speech to clear this time, Fleabag wasn't in the room. Claire wasn't in the picture and much harder for her to, like push back. She had nothing to go back on, you know, she was like no foundation on her. And also what I thought was interesting is when she goes, you know, clears like how can I believe you? And Fleabag says, because I'm your sister. At first I thought she was saying, because I'm your sister, like, you have to believe me. I'm your sister, right? But then I thought I realized she actually means, you know, you have to believe me because I'm your sister and I wouldn't hit on your husband. But she did sleep with her best friend's boyfriend so that excuse is gone. Is she hurt? No, one's off limits. Even
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Martin, right? She wouldn't put it past her right, which is very sad, right? And you know, she's dumbstruck by this. You know her calling this Alice. And this is where she starts to shifting. When she looks at us, it's in this like horror, and
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if she runs, she starts to run
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away and, like, we see the flash back again, too. You know, this guy's pants being undone and boo crying. And now we're realizing those two things are connected and, like we're starting to see these pieces connect. They do that so well, they really do. And, you know, And yet and she starts to walk away from player, she sees us and then turns around again and like it almost starts to feel like a horror movie
spk_1: 47:39
like this. All right, I'm kind of exact. Yeah, she's really going around like this kind of maze, like she's boxed in,
spk_0: 47:45
right? And she VD has said that this revealed the end is kind of mentor feels like a betrayal to us that, like throughout this, she's been presenting us this image of her life and like including us in, you know, her, her mindset. But now a lot of that is just not true. We kind of see that she's kind of been lying to us, too, and, you know, if you follow the theory that we're supposed to be like a surrogate for Boots.
spk_1: 48:08
Some people
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say she's talking to boo and she's talking to the camera. I don't think that's the case. I think she's were like a surrogate for Boo in that she used to have someone she could talk
spk_1: 48:17
right, has to go somewhere,
spk_0: 48:18
and she doesn't have it now. And now she has us whatever that means. Yeah, but yeah, it makes sense now that like she'd run away from us because it's like, Oh, you know, you know the truth now So what I am you right? And and again, the music is so perfect. It's just like it kind of has, like traffic noise elements again, like it's all just like crashing together. And you know, Claire saying, I'm sorry, but you just have to see it from my point of view and Martin ushering her away, and now it's like fleabag asi. Every as they walk away, she's seeing everything crumble. Like you said, It's like her avoidance of her guilt, her relationship with her sister, her relationship with her dad and then also Claire, had offered to help save the cafe. It's all gone. So now she's seeing that walk away,
spk_1: 49:00
you know, And I thought it was like, This is one of the times that the show's really explicit about, like a theme where closes like you have to see it from my point of view because, boom, that's right, the whole thing. But clears not trying to see fleabag sections from her point of view. Yeah, like at all. And I also one thing that kind of hit was like also the seam of hope, flea bags at hope. There's nothing left for her, right? She's just a disaster.
spk_0: 49:26
Everything's gone, everything is gone. And, you know, we see the montage now of her and a panic, intercut with her and booze boyfriend together and boosting. She thinks she loves them and boot crying about him sleeping with someone else and then this plan that she's going to get into this accident and I'll have to come see her. It sounds like a horrible like the music and her running away from us, That's the dark. And it's just a tone with Shift so dramatically
spk_1: 49:52
because I think she's been avoiding this entire season, right? She's been avoiding this. This whole story and it's crashing around her. And what I also that was interesting is like we see the scene where she, the boyfriend like strokes, leaving Children kind of initiates. And she can't say no to someone saying, I value you. I want your body that it like I mean, I don't know why they're alone drinking wine together, right? So maybe she did initiate who? Whatever. But you were. The what we see is him making kind of the first move, and she's like what? She's walking around in shock. She's like, literally caged in like there's literally like the The material is like a cage kind of material, like offending, and it's like her feet. Let's go with me on this journey, like her feelings are trying to get out of this maze of her head that she's really trapped in while her body is also trying Street Yes, out like yeah,
spk_0: 50:49
right, Yeah, she's just, like, literally directionless.
spk_1: 50:51
Yeah, and that's the last time she looks at us is when we try to follow her and she runs away, That's the last time. Interesting. So now she's walking
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down the street and, um, and sees her dad crying by the
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car. And so finally,
spk_0: 51:04
people are showing up. It's all coming out episode. Yeah, and you know, he says, I don't know where you came from which partly is, like, literally like where you just walked in from, but also like, How do I Who are you? Yeah, in this family. And she says, What? You don't think we're the same? Which that I kind of still don't know
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of any connection because they always keep talking about. He's the one that's like all these things about you that was your mother. That was your mother. I can't relate to you, I don't know. But clinically back sees a connection there,
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and maybe some of it's that, like denying emotion and yeah, you know. And then he says, You got the same lines on your
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forehead, which could also be
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metaphorical for like, you worry. You
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said it was just a like talk. Tell it great. Tell her about her age. Her physical appearance is she even said thanks for fixating on the Yeah, exactly, which is actually kind of funny. That's usually like a mom.
spk_0: 51:53
True. Yeah, And then, you know, he says you're stubborn and she goes snap and sad Or so she says. She sat and goes where you weren't born sad
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and then they wiped their nose at the same time. Noticed that
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And, uh, and his line here about why do daughters get to say they're fucked up by their fathers when so often it's the other way around?
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That's pretty found, found ad, and it kind of
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breaks the ice a little bit between them and reminds her of like, you know,
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you're not the
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only one who's going through something
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like, I am a human too,
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right? And, um offers him her cigarette and he takes it first with any seems to then maybe see godmother approaching and even says, Why would you do that to yourself? Like not even just No, thank you. Just know you're you're doing this. She jokes that it looks cool,
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which is like, That's her whole thing. She doesn't hide your real emotions. Yeah. Do you hurt yourself? Hurt yourself? Do damage hurt those around you torture yourself so that you can look cool and put together on you.
spk_0: 52:52
Yeah, and this is surprising when he goes, I think your mother would have admired your little performance. And it's another little peek into what her mom was like, in a sense that maybe she was kind of independent and kind of a free spirit and maybe his honest asleep, huh? Yeah, Another reason. We would've been great, too.
spk_1: 53:11
I know. I I wish I could meet the mother, but then what I thought was interesting to sleep bags like you. Do you even think about her? You ever Do you ever think about her? Likes it occurs to her? Yeah, that he's considering
spk_0: 53:23
her, right? Like I think about it. But you probably don't,
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right? Because you, like, moved on, right? And his face is like, obviously, yeah. Do you think about Ah, like we've both lost someone?
spk_0: 53:34
Yeah. And, you know, even though he's moving on with Godmother, he still grieves and misses their mom, you know? And And it's another teasing out of her, like you're You're being really self absorbed right now.
spk_1: 53:47
Yes. Yeah, because she she doesn't also she doesn't know because he can't really express himself true and she could like, Yeah, but great. I feel like
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grief and depression do that like you become completely just self absorbed. Oh, absolutely. And all you that's the thing. It's like if you can take 10 seconds to think about somebody other than yourself, you might. It starts to help pull yourself up. And to be fair, I'm not saying that you just pull yourself out of depression. I think maybe more so with grief or, um, and just in this case with her character, she she as an individual has just become very self focused. She
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thinks she's alone in her grief, and he's. He also here shows her there's no one way to grief. This is how I'm doing it. I still think about her all the time, But I can also have this life. You are just fixated and she's bee. It's almost become
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a self fulfilling prophecy for her, where by her thinking she's alone, she acts in a way that drives people with
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Oh my God, look atyou
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boom Damn no! And then she genuinely apologizes to him. Yeah, and it feels like she's not just apologizing for the gallery, but it's kind of for all of it, Yeah, and how she's been acting and
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they're having such a nice thing. You know, they're finally connected. Godmother, Godmother has to fucking walk up and won't even like. Approach just is like, just waiting to me or just
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all come and she's gone right? And that's when he's like, I think you should go, which is also hard because it's a metaphor for this relationship. Like Like you should go because she's here now,
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right? Like, let me replace you. She's upset like you can see. She's like we I Oh, so you're not on my team
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either, right? Yeah, we're not gonna You're choosing her exact basically. So now this montage begins walking through the streets. Amazing montage. And on the Amazon X ray, the songs are called Oppression and Terror begins. Uh, well,
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on the nose
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fits and we hear boos. Voicemail message. Multiple times. So she's obviously calling it again. This is another mistake I made in the past when I was editing the last one. Whichever episode it was, I said, massage, Eo. She says, messy. A geo, which is better. Yeah, that's
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okay. Well, that's why they put rubbers. And I also think she's alone. So of course, she has to turn to Bush's her dad. Toes. Godmother are stolen shows Big boob chick Harry chose Elaine and she doesn't have anybody. And so it's just she's always gonna try to fill that space. And so she has to lean on Boo one more time before the dam bursts. Yeah, and she has to just let her self, except that she's alone. And then that's when it really like, walks the streets of London. Yeah, mascara running down her cheeks. Exciting. She's normal. Final B she yet she's actually experiencing her her feelings yet I think that's such an important point. I read recently on some like and the statesmen in the news. I know this is like some like uplifting, mindfulness instagram thing. I okay, but it was basically like you. It's important to feel your feelings not just, like acknowledge them like, I think we're all we're taught. It's sort of a new age, like I am angry like name label your feelings, but just acknowledging it isn't actually sitting with it and feeling, and your body kind of needs to go through that process of, like, get it, get it out your system like you can feel it. It's okay. And she has been ignoring she. She knows she's like grieving. She knows that logically. She hasn't been allowing herself to feel it. And I think, yeah, she finally feels it. And that's when
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she just lets loose. Yeah, there's actually a one of the Burn a Brown books that she talks about, like three different phases. They'll forget the 1st 1 They all start with our but one of is the rumble on like and that's basically what it is like. You have to go through this hard part. Welcome to cliche podcast dot com.
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No, the only the only way out is through. Yeah,
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and like you, you cannot heal unless you do let yourself feel grief and that, you know, it's the kind of thing that the more you keep something in the dark, the more it festers and grow. Yeah, but assumes you shine a light on it shrinks.
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Yeah, about another cliche. Let's hear it. You have to open a wound to clean it. Who you have to like, actually experience. You know, Goni been there and then you can come back out. I like it. All right. Uh, anyway, so she said that also a stitch in time saves nine. Well, what I want thing I wanted to know that I thought was interesting is like before, you know, when this is all ramping up even more. She's walking all night. We didn't see any of that. We sound like two seconds of that. She's in her head. She's not letting. Where's she gone, right? Like we're not part of this. And I thought that was interesting. That means I think that means because she's not distancing herself from her life. She just fucking feeling it and just want you because we're an excuse were like something else to talk to. And and we're not part of this. Yeah, you know it She's been up all
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night and, uh, is that back of the cafe is putting celery in Hillary's cage.
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And Hillary is our only ally. Now,
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Ling Hillary is the only person on her team. Yeah, that's it. And so now we see her on the curb of the street, which is the same shot we saw of Boo. It's frame the same way before she stepped into traffic. And now we get the sense that she is suicidal, which would honestly make sense.
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I mean, she has She has no hope she's been through. And even the
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fact that she liked gave Hillary food, like right before, Like to
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last her. Yeah. And also would I So we see her sort of, like, step out at the street names. Same shot his bill, right? And I'm that may be realized the boot kill herself right across from the cafe.
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Oh, I don't know. I didn't notice to see if the buildings were the same. I just
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kind of looked. The shot was framed. Similarly, women that would make sure, Yeah, but it's awful. That would be. Not only is the cafe like this last vestige of yours right next to where she died, Yeah, I
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hadn't even thought about that. Then this car pulls up in front of flea bag and the window rolls down and it's
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the bank manager. Think, man, I've never been so happy
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to see so so happy to see him. And, you know, it's when he goes Are
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you okay? And it's unclear like did he just happened to be
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driving by. Or was he coming to the cafe to see here like
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Yet what? I get the sense
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that it was a coincidence. I think so, too. And I think throughout the series he represents forgiveness and that that's what she needed right in that moment and it, and in a way by making herself all on a roll and just out and open to it is when it showed up
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right, and there's this one quote that I really resonated me, that fleabag or that fleabag said. That, Pwg said, is that she at the beginning, she invites the audience in under the pretense of showing them a good time and telling them that she's hilarious and completely fine and top it all. But at the end, you realize she's brought them in because she's desperate for them to forgive her for this terrible thing she's done. And then she's after she's confessed to us. Look at the camera again. So I thought and like, Then he pulls up and he is forgiveness. He's forgiving her. Like she she thinks we've she's gotten our forgiveness. She gets his forgiveness. Oh, no, I just felt powerful to me, and it shows you that support can come from unexpected places. I think he represents hope like she's hopeless. She's about to kill herself. There's nothing. There's nothing left for. We
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think we don't know. Yeah,
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right, Especially because he's He knows she fucked up Andi. He's still there supporting her. And I think I wonder if he's like back with his wife now. And so he's somebody's done it for him. So he wants to do it for her. Well, in either
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way, they had that moment at the retreat. Yeah, and she was accepting of his kind of confession. And, you know, it is a little bit of like a dramatic moment that he happens to be there, but it really works. Yeah, And then they're sitting at this table and you know, he kind of jokes like Big night then and she sort of smiles and like, I
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think he
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knows that's not the case. He's just he's breaking the ice a little. And then he sees all the getting picked a core and reveals that he thought it was a guinea pig, a cafe four guinea pig,
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and I took a second I like positive toe look at the cafe just to see all the stun. And there's like this brain with, like, actual 10 different photos of guinea pigs. And so much of the stuff on the wall is just pictures of guinea pigs. Not like cute drawings, you know, cut out Prince. He's off a Google or something, huh? And what I also that was cute is that there's a lot of
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images of two guinea pigs, but sweet. I didn't notice that.
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And the open closed sign on
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the door is getting obviously, never really noticed it. No, she's like its guinea pig theme. He's like, That makes sense. Yeah, like
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because she hasn't It has to be a little bit funny, and he offers
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her a cup of tea.
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Has anyone asked him? He's kind
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of just taking care of her. Yeah, and, you know, starts in. You know, she says she's run out of coffee, she's run out of tea and you know which clearly, she's kind of been planning to close. She hasn't been re ordering stuff right and, you know, starts to say he's got to get back to the office and cafes or difficulty and, you know, she made it unique. But then she and this is the captioning is confusing here because I thought, she said, I also fucked into liquidation, and I thought to and the capturing says, I would say, fucked into liquidation.
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And I think that's wrong.
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I guess it means the same thing. Yeah, I don't know. But her point is, I messed it up. Yeah, I'm the reason it's closing. Yes, And then I fucked up my family. And now this is just like the start of her confession to him.
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Yeah, and I think it's her. Her family was plenty fucked up before, but she's acknowledging, like Claire's not going to Finland because of me and level, you know, like there's other
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consequences. And I have no relationship with them now.
spk_1: 1:3:26
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's all done.
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Yeah, and I fucked my friend by fucking her boyfriend. And
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there has been a question like, Did boo know the full truth? I don't think she did. I don't think she did either, because I think we would have, because that would have been if they had a scene where yeah, like, confronts her. That would have been her greatest shame. And we had to see my great eventually. I agree. And I think I think also Boo didn't mean to die, Even though you're right. I mean, you have to question it because you're like, you really think you could break a finger in the bike lane? Like, I don't know about that. But if I feel like if she'd known it was fleabag, she really would have tried by solely. But although that it raises the question like, Well, then did she know? Because I don't know. Yeah, I think Mark
spk_0: 1:4:08
might. You're right. I don't think she would have told fleabag back plan
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if Yeah, if she really thought she would
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have told her anything.
spk_1: 1:4:14
Yeah. I mean, how did Jordan Amy beautifully about, you know?
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Yeah. I don't think she knew. Yeah, neither. And definitive.
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I know. We know. We're right. Close. You're welcome.
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And then she says, sometimes I wish I didn't even know that fucking existed. And that I know that my body is it is now really is the only thing I have left,
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which is just not true, you know?
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And, um and when it that gets older, non fuckable, I may as well just kill it and that, you know, somehow there isn't anything worse than someone who doesn't want to fuck me. I fuck everything. Except for when I was in your office, I really wasn't trying to have sex.
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He seems like
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unsure of like, I fuck everything I didn't want fuck you like,
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But I think it's because she's like this. We can just have a This is genuine ship. This is genuine. And I also thought it was interesting that she this all pours out from her, especially because the last interaction she's silent. Except for one phrase, you know, like an interesting. It's like her version of, um, bank managers and each right, you know,
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it's like her turn Exactly. They turn to talk, and you know, either everyone feels like this a little bit that it is not talking about it or I'm completely fucking alone, which isn't fucking funny. And it's like everything is coming home to roost here of like she's realizing her own behavior is responsible for a lot of what she's feeling. And, you know, she's been using this excuse of grief for why she's been doing all this. But She also has, like some crippling insecurity about herself, actually using some of the grief to, like, just if I just really bad behavior
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exactly. And she's clearly scared and like she's doesn't know which way's up now, because I feeling she spent a long time thinking her value was in her body and her sexuality. But now it's She's like starting to hate everything, associate right. It's ruined every because she sees it, doesn't bring anything good and that such an intense thing to realize. And she's doing the most relatable thing ever, which is wondering if she's the only one feeling this way right? And of course, everyone feels that way, like everyone doubt their value in their identity and their choices. Sure, everything in most people don't talk about it, and I imagine
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even more for British people, right? She said, that everything's like passive aggressive
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exactly and like when we do share intimate parts of ourselves, it feels really transgressive and ling revolutionary, which goes back to radical vulnerability and like there's a reason that we call it radical because it's not done much right. But we're social animals and we need each other
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to flourish though. Yeah, and I remember one of like, after my mom died, one of her friends told my dad like, the hardest part about this is that the person I would talk to about this is Linda and I feel the same way. Sometimes it's like a whole that feeling so down, like, who would I call? I would call my mom and like and so that's her thing with Boo, where it's like when she was going through a really hard time, the person who would be their pick her up is boo. Yeah, and she doesn't have her said Yeah, and so she doesn't even have somebody to say I feel alone. At least she doesn't think she does. Yeah, you know, if she were that vulnerable, declare clear might be totally there for her, but she can, and she feels you can't do this again. I'm telling you, burn a brown is my religion.
spk_1: 1:7:19
She's my
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But her whole thing is that we all carry this armor and that, you know, because we want to avoid any kind of vulnerability. And we think if we kept keep this armor on, it's gonna keep us strong. But she goes. The armor's really, really heavy on. And her thing is like when you get to middle age is kind of when you're like, I can't fucking carry this anymore. This is exhausting and that once you take it off and then you see because everybody else has been behind their armor and you started just actually see each other. It's like, Oh my God, we're all the same. I haven't we been doing this? Not exactly.
spk_1: 1:7:54
So bank managers on you feel like he's like, Okay, a lot probably go And he kind of walks out kind of funny because, like, I should probably just probably, uh and you're kind of your heart breaks because you're like, No, you're leaving or two like, Well, I thought you were the good one,
spk_0: 1:8:10
right? She just poured her heart out, and she's now really going to be alone.
spk_1: 1:8:13
I know, But then he comes back because second, with materials, and he says people make mistakes. Yeah, like Boo. And he's talking about himself to know
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he wants forgiveness for himself, and so he's going to give it to her. Yes, and when she goes, Oh, that's why they put the rubbers on the ends of pencils and he goes, Oh, is that a joke? Because I don't know
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which is like, Ah, theme of the whole show. Yeah.
spk_0: 1:8:41
Is that a joke? I don't
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know. And she's
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such a good actress in this scene because, I mean,
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I think so much
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has talked about with her writing, which is clearly phenomenal. She's it amazing actress. Yeah, and, you know, and not just because she wrote her own material. But I like the way she plays this here. Like her voice is actually deeper. She's talking slower. It's like a shift. She's in a totally different headspace than she was in the start of the show, and it just conveys this like I think again, she's just out of energy to keep up all of this
spk_1: 1:9:14
when I also think it's changed because he came back and she got a little faith in humanity real quick, you know, like, Oh, he's on my team.
spk_0: 1:9:25
He's back and I don't know what's about to happen, right?
spk_1: 1:9:27
But he doesn't want sex for me. So what does he want? Yeah,
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and these are recalling boo. You know, people make mistakes and you know that seems to be a sign that this is a good person. And now the way we should start this interview again, they kind of act like they're in a formal office. And he says, Here you run a cafe for guinea pigs. She laughs, and I like that he doesn't look up. And he just told you it was funny. So cute. And now we get kind of the sweet guitar music. And, you know, this healing kind of tone?
spk_1: 1:9:58
Yeah, a total it is healing. It's like restoring faith. It's celebrating, being vulnerable and rewarding that and
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write that the right person will reward it. Yes, and, uh, you had a little bit of Hamilton
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connection. I guess it all comes back to Hamilton. And, um and, uh, it's quiet uptown, like forgiveness. Yeah, that's, like literally all day. I've just been, like, really gospel. You, like, forgive out loud? Yeah. Now, did you hear me? It was so annoying. And, you know, this is
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the end, you know, we see that she's gonna get this loan and, you know, we end on this note of hope, which we thought, you know, I guess that Phoebe thought this was the end of the series. Yeah, just assume she's now healing. And what I do love is she gets the loan and the cafe back on her own. Yes, because even as exciting as it was for Claire to say, I'm going to help you. The fact that she didn't actually have to depend on Claire and clear it is not gonna have this over her for sure. It's hugely
spk_1: 1:10:58
feels good. Yeah, it feels good. You know what? Her intentions
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were good. I believe she wasn't gonna be use it to, like, manipulator. But fleabag needed to do this on her own, as she needed to prove to herself that she was capable of it. And like you said, she had to do it by letting these cracks show and, you know, and just kind of breaking down this wall she put up around herself.
spk_1: 1:11:18
I felt like honestly, it's like she's being rewarded for finally feeling or feelings and being honest. And isn't that just the best feeling anyway? Like side No. One of the best gifts of like life is just having a very honest conversation with someone and feel like, totally, totally comfortable. Yeah, which is what's happening. Having a totally honest conversation, feeling confident that they're not judging you, they're seeing the best in you. They won't misinterpret what you're saying. It's like it's the best yet. That's the best.
spk_0: 1:11:46
Um my my lady Bebe burn a brown. She talks about that. You also have to do this with the right people. Oh, and Yvonne with the right people? Yes. And she has this metaphor about the marble jar which she has. It's a story where her daughter came home and she was like, Oh, my friend, like, said something really mean to me and it really hurt my feelings. And and so she was like, Well, and she wasn't I don't think I'm gonna talk to her anymore. And the girl wasn't like second grade or something. And she was like, Well, you know,
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you've been friends with
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her a long time. Like what? Something, you know, nice to remember. She's like, Well, she came to my soccer game and she did this. She did mention all these things, and she basically was like, If you have a person who's been putting marbles in the jar for a long time, and then they end up. They take a few out. The more marbles that air in there. If they take a few out, you're like, Oh, well, but I know
spk_1: 1:12:34
I can't do without those, like, Yeah, I know till enough. I know this is the exception, but if someone's
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only put in three or four and they take two out, then you're like,
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I think
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you're maybe not my person. Yes. So I get I feel that a little bit with with him here, it's like she's, you know, the marble jar is full with him, and, um,
spk_1: 1:12:55
I love that, Yeah, totally. I think there's
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something to that. The fact that she connects with this like somewhat of a stranger. And we see this a little, I guess with the priest later. But that, you know, just because your family is your family doesn't always mean you connect with
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them in the same way,
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and you know, you clearly you love them and they're your family. But she has this connection with the bank manager because they have this shared experience of needing forgiveness. And, you know, Andrew Scott said in his his geek speak that you know, the shows about people who enter your life, even if it's for a short time. And they have this like, lasting impact on it. And it may not be the people you expect, and so you just have to open up yourself to the possibility that you'll find them. And in her case, she she did in this season with bank manager, and he's such a wonderful care. I really love what they did with him.
spk_1: 1:13:47
Me, too, I think also, you know, we're, like, kind of wrapping up season. I was thinking about it a lot, and I really feel like one of the reasons that the show resonates is because it's so riel like this is a really is consequences for her actions is not like some, like TV Show with the left or the little boat with the under, Actually, exactly Yeah, exactly like they couldn't all get along at the end. She couldn't. You know, it's It's like she got one thing. She got the cafe actually, two things. You got the cafe in like this friendship, and that has to be enough, right? It's a start. Get exactly it's a start, and I feel like it's good to see consequences for her actions. But that is also really good to see. A reward. Yeah, for when she
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makes good decisions and just decides to be, Yeah, she had to reach the bottom to start coming back up.
spk_1: 1:14:36
I also love I've been, like, saving this quote. I didn't know where it, but I really love it is, PW said. There isn't anything I wouldn't cover as long as
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you can show it from all different points of view. Like Boom, yeah, it's There's this show you could almost do an exercise where you What kind of witness? The events through each character's eyes, acting exercise?
spk_1: 1:14:55
Yeah, before
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writing exercise. But you could see each character is justified in some way in their in their mind.
spk_1: 1:15:03
Yes, I remember I took a
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second city writing class online once, and one of the games was like You have to write a character who is doing something ridiculous, but it's completely justified in the name of that, and, you know, you just keep going. You're never quite sure why it's justified to them, but they are 100% in on why they're doing it, and that I guess a feeling like that here? Yeah, like even though godmothers reasons. Yeah, even the godmother is like a total cunt she had in
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her mind. Yes, she has a reason to do it. Yes, she's not evil. She's just a cunt. I also we've said cunt, like literally more times in a less used to retweet it. She's really too. He's
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really brought me around, you
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know? It's like an exposure thing right? Way. Be careful. It works God to be like, What does this can't have to seo. I mean, that's how
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young. So next slide. Please can't thank you.
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It's nice example. Make the Monday meeting a little more. You always have to
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remember to click e when we submit this tea.
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Oh, yeah. So that brings us to the end of days and and I will set people you
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know, there was also discussion, I think, just today on the group about what's better Season one to season two. And I think, you know, in my heart of hearts, I would definitely say season two. The one I've watched multiple times. It's just a special I almost I feel like they're two separate entity.
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Yes, like apples and oranges.
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Yeah, and, um, I will say, re watching Season one and dissecting it This insane amount of detail our season two episodes are going to be four hours. Guys, somebody today was actually like
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you guys might want to break this in t. O because we
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will never stop doing this podcast. I know that I will say re watching Season one and dissecting it in this detail gave me a whole new appreciation for it. And I really think it does set the stage for thes rewards of Season two.
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Yeah, and what I loved is I read some article, probably in the noose teeth where Harry Brad Behr says the events and relationships of Season one with
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seeds and fertilizer for what happens in Season two. And I'm
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really thinking about it like that. Definitely. So that is it. Season one is
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a wrap. That's Al and I are gonna go to Chili's and celebrate the end of Season one match wrap party. Uh, and, um, we will be back. Like we said, the Emmys air Sunday night. If we are going to record right after that, Well, I guess Monday night, Yeah, after that and get an episode out as soon as we can to start talking about season two Episode one Uh, in the
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introduction of a hot priest and in the meantime, we would love to hear from you. Um, you can find us on Facebook. Just search fleabag situation. We're on instagram at fleabag situation Podcast Twitter at fleabag podcast. Always feel free to email us your theories or concerns the fleabag situation and gmail dot com and you can visit our website at fleabag podcast dot com and leave us a voicemail if you so design will stick your voice in there for free. And, uh, I guess we shall get chatty with you later. That was a dumb waiter and that don't put this in the guest wing. So we will see you guys post Emmys,
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hopefully to announce to talk about multiple winds for season two. And we will get chatty with
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you. I Bethann and then, uh, Brendan and the tech Don't waas