NT Live Screening: Fleabag Stage Play

The National Theatre Live encore screening of Phoebe Waller-Bridge's original stage play finally made its way to Atlanta! Chrissie and Allie had a front-row (well, more like 10th or 11th row) seat and chatted afterwards to talk through what's different, what's the same, and what's even more impressive about PWB.

Transcript

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this episode of the fleet back situation is brought to you by day drinking.

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on a Sunday morning with your friends over, Brean begets after seeing the NT live screening of flea Bag.

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It's not alcoholism. It's day drinking. We have a situation. I will be there to cupcake.

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Hey, everybody, welcome to a special episode of the fleet back situation on Christy Moore, Mallenco, Torren And we are having a fabulous Sunday. Really? Because we just saw the anti live screening of fleabag.

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Finally waited a few months.

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Yes, we went with our friends Meg and Ryan. Yeah,

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and Meg Ryan. Way went with my bride and we went with Meg Ryan.

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She's a close friend of ours, and she happened to be

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in town. Loves big, fleabag, big fan. And we just want

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to keep it quiet, though. We didn't let a lot of people know she was here, but no, we are our friends, Megan Ryan and we ended up Kate. Unfortunately, we mentioned last week because she got sick. She was not able to come, but she was there in spirit. When we drink in her honor it and we all went out for brunch after. It was just a nice, beautiful Sunday in Atlanta, and now we're here to

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talk about it. So this is an

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episode that is specifically about the play, and people who have either seeing the play or have seen an anti live screening of the player, the encore performances that are going around the U. S now. So obviously, if you have not seen the play or interest in seeing it, go ahead and turn us off right now. You understand? We get it. But we're going to talk in detail about the play, frankly old, you know, loose lips. McGee over here has talked about the play before and revealed some spoilers, so you may already know. But just know that we're gonna be talking about the plate. So I'm really hoping that at some point after it does this theatrical run, yeah, Amazon will just street.

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I would cause I wanna watch it. I mean, now, I were spoiled because we just watch the TV show over and over, and I'm like, Why can't I have this in my living room? Whenever I know I'm having a little trouble? Like, how do we talk

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about something we've only seen

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once. Not way. We will. Hopefully if

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you haven't turned us off yet. We are gonna talk a little bit about a few things that just kind of came up since our last recording. Before we get into the play, there was a guardian article that came out. When did that come out? Like Friday? Yeah, a few days ago. A couple days ago. That was awesome.

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Yeah, I loved it.

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It was I thought it was a nice balance to that Vogue article which we had mentioned that I think that had come out Monday when we were recording, or Monday or two. Whenever we recorded last Wednesday, we did a Wednesday recording what's really just go into details with just six of our reporting. Scheduling?

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Uh, no. We briefly mentioned

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that Vogue article had come out then This guardian piece was Maur of, like other writers and people involved with show or just like politicians, even relevant Brits asking her questions about the show in her process. And they were just very detailed and smart and more about, like, the writing.

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And I could tell he has a relationship with those people. So her answers were really, like, more in depth and just, I don't know. It was really satisfying to read those answers. Questions I'd had. They felt more

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natural, more sincere. And also, I think she was refreshed to get questioned. She hadn't gotten before and like, and the legal questions from Sean Clifford and Living Coleman and then somebody else had even just ask, How are you doing? This has been a crazy year like, how are you?

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And it seems like she think she was probably just like typing them out like they probably were. Like, Here are the questions you like email, remember? Yeah, she kind of It just had a good vibe. And even some

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people, it seemed like she hadn't maybe heard from in a Walker.

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Louise. Great question. Exactly like High. And I just

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appreciated it as a contrast to the Vogue piece, which I frankly had some problems with mean with photos. Robin see gorgeous. But I

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There were some

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good stuff about Phoebe in there. I just get a little tired of the Cliche aid celebrity profile that's actually about the reporters Amazing day with this person

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and like what? The wallpaper on the restaurant Waas like, Oh, we shared a salad and we peed

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next to each other and we're in line now for the rowboats. And you're like, Are

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you guys on a

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date or you doing an interview?

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Chrissy, I think you're just jealous. I know, But I agree. I hate I feel like those those ah features when you're like discussing you just got you describe how you met the actor at lunch and you're the squeaky and built like a caricature of itself at this point. Like described the restaurant and what they're eating in all this stupid shit, I just I just want to hear what she has to say, right? Really

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dressed in smart leather jacket with a tweet blow, Bobby, it's like, I mean, I guess it's Vogue. We're gonna talk about the clothes, but it's just a cliche, and I am very, very jealous because I wanted to have that day. I just It just ends up being a lot more about the reporter than the subject,

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but the Guardian article, The Guardian article, is really smart. One thing that

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was interesting with the Vogue article that someone pointed out was that there's a part where she they talk about how on their stroll through Central Park, hand in hand? No. But that a woman came up and asked for a selfie. Yeah, and they had described earlier that Phoebe was wearing a ringer. Woody woodpecker ringer, teen and like like brown pants and like a tweed jacket. And somebody on

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our Facebook was like our group. I thought it was either one of the face. Whatever they were like, Oh, didn't somebody post

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a selfie of her? Them with her wearing that outfit? And I think it's a central part. So I dug it up. Yeah, it was on one of the Phoebe while the bridge source account, I think, and I attacked that girl. I was like, I think they mentioned you in the Vogue. I Yeah, exactly. And that was kind of fun. Yeah, little connection there boats anyway, a couple tidbits that came out of that Guardian article one, which I guess you'll do a quick We'll talk about him like, yes, but the, uh, London Hughes was one of the people who asked her a question. Who is a comedian? And she's We just mentioned her last week. If She was the one who wrote the tweet about when that priest said Neil, my vagina exploded It Okay, no man has been able to achieve. And I didn't really She played the sex shop clerk? Yes. In season one? Yeah, all my buddies Because she said something. Like, when did you know this was gonna be a hit? And she's like, when

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I cast you, Okay. Oh, yeah. You know how I recognize

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her? Totally. Absolutely. And then she also mentioned, I think Olivia co know somebody asked her about when you have you've mentioned you have writer's block, you read. And what are some things you read when you're stuck? And she mentioned that she was having a really hard time with season two, and at one point picked up a book that was just in their house called Vagina. And I guess there was a part about how, like, order orgasm creates this like creative energy or whatever. And that's where she got the idea that God Mother had done a painting where she had an orgasm. She fished

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so good. So I love that she could just pull these little tidbits. It's amazing. And then she teased us. Yeah. This is this is breaking news, mean? Yeah, to say it's just playing us. I had an

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alternate ending. I'm never going to tell you.

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She was like, somewhere somewhere is like a notebook or what? Like she said, just full scripts for episodes yet never to be used. And one was an alternate ending. And I'll never tell and fuck you, Bebe. Just go fuck herself. Exactly. Like just don't I know you don't let us know what we can't have that get, You know, whatever. It ended perfectly. Now, fine with that mama. Mama.

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Every fanfic writer is waiting for her, too. Good. You figured it out. You wrote it. And we're going to reach

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God. You're right. Like the game of Thrones

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nerds. And do a petition that the demand a new Phoebe reshoot any do it flea bag. So we see the alternative. Is that that 20 million? Did we talk about how somebody was somewhere? They're talking like the worst responses to I love you. And because someone's like, I know we're like the one, like the like, Star Wars or whatever, but one of them was double guns. Oh, just shooting double guns that the

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first like a weight. That's Tina. That's a Liz Lemon. Is it just

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imagining the vert and a version of the ending where she goes, I Love you and Andrew Scott shoots her double guns, made me laugh so hard and they just walks away, Hit the road. All right, so that was that garden article. Speaking of Andrew Scott, it was also a fascinating This was probably the deepest intellectual article that's coming out of his grooming routine in G Q G Q link, which my favorite part of it is. The headline is like How to look as well Groomed is Andrew Scott, and then two of his answers air like I hate shaving and I hardly ever wash

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her hair. So so don't pretty easy, but don't groom. But then he also does go, and this is

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another thing where I think these were like he's paid placement.

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Yeah, it was. It just felt weird because they're know that he puts all the specific products even like the hair dryer is how you sonic care Diamond bit. Yeah, pro Bluetooth is a little weird's a little much. It was crazy. It was crazy it was I was just like, this doesn't seem. And also I just kind of felt because Because I know him personally. Yeah,

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you're in a sense,

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I just I was like, I don't know. I think I was

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kidding through the thing. If you read it, assuming he's kidding, cause I really don't think he seriously went mouthwashes are pretty cool.

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I really liked that video. Say sincerely. He also talked

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about that. He wears like a green tea mask and puts his hair up.

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Yeah, like Sandy. So I really hope

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it was a joke. A joke? He's like, he does all these details and he's like, Yeah, I don't do like most guys. I don't do, but you work very excited.

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I will have to. I do have to point out that Andrew Scott and I use the same micro x 1,000,000,000 logica the same bottle, the same specific back. Yeah, like this, you know, sisterhood of the traveling except my portfolio. Exfoliate. D'oh! No matter has cleared. It clears your skin, no matter what.

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Well and then my friend Mimi, in from the Facebook group said that she uses the same body wash Well, so

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all right, good taste, everybody. And one of the things he mentioned is from boots. So back, of course. Of course. All right, that

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is breaking news. And then absolutely another thing that came out. I think that actually come up the week before you had mentioned that. Whatever about Daniel Craig.

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Yeah, I'd like defending her. You you you discuss, cause I don't even think I read the full most recent one. So Daniel Craig

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requested that Phoebe do a pass on the script for the new bond. Yes, which is coming out, I guess in 2020 called No Time to Die,

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There's no time to die. Isn't that what it's called? So anyway, he

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asked her to come in and do a rewrite on the script and what she did. And then

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they keep punching up, punching up the

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script. And there were a couple of like leaks that had come out about what she's going to do with it that we won't mention. But apparently some reporter had started to hint about asking that Phoebe Waller Bridge was kind of a representative. Higher or like, I guess this is Jonathan Dean, for The Sunday Times had said a cynic might suggest the new recruit has been chosen to help the film look more representative and, I guess, asked Daniel Craig something to that effect. And Daniel Craig was not having it and kind of ripped this guy. A new one was like We're having a conversation about Phoebe is gender here, which is fucking ridiculous. She's a great writer. Why shouldn't we get Phoebe on the bond? That's the answer to that. I know where you're going, but I don't actually want to have that conversation. I know what you're trying to do, but it's wrong. It's absolutely wrong. She's a fucking great writer, one of the best English writers around. I said, Can we get her on the film? That's where I came from.

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I think good for him. I guess that he's like defending her. But it's not a crazy question. I don't think well, I just feel like you need represent. The reason why we need representation is because then that perspective informs the content. And so, Phoebe, yes, objectively is a good writer. Also, her part of her brand is this, like interesting feminism situation and so it's I personally I feel like it's okay that her gender is mentioned because there's she will contribute. But given her perspective, because she's a woman and a specifically because the bond franchise is known for being the most. Yes, yeah, gotten better soundly, I don't think she was. Yeah, I don't I think it's like in most cases you'd be like, Yeah, her being a woman doesn't matter. But in this one, it's like, No, it's a good thing And it could be

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the way this guy asked the question And maybe he's got a history. There was something, but I think it is a fair point to say she's going to bring a new perspective to it that might that I think it's a better representative writer's

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room. That was all men, right? Would mean potentially. I don't know.

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That said, I mean the executive producer for years have been Barbara Broccoli who's moments of it every time her name. I'm can't believe it's her name. What's your name, anyway, that everybody? I'm just kind of excited. I have not really loved the last couple of bond movies, even though the last one had enter Scott and it's

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seen the last. I don't think I said, Listen,

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a specter was There's a C and spoiler alert. Major Scott has a scene where he falls and it's edited a look like he flails his arms for about 40 seconds. I laughed out loud. I'll just say that it was looking too much. Uh, it was good to see him and refines into senior. That was kind

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of fun.

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All right, so we're gonna do a couple notes from listeners that we got. Yes. Kelly pointed out that we had a complete brain fart about why hot misogynist is a misogynist.

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Because we had talked about how fleabag like the hot massages, who's maybe not a misogynous. And you're like, Oh, yeah, maybe he's not. And I was like, How did he? Why is he a massage is where do we get that I have a sister thing was like, but also just a small

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detail that he defends rapists.

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Yeah, we find out about it would make him a massage. Genetic wonder. Oh, undefeated. Yeah, you know. Good. Thank you. She

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also had a very good point about when we said, Why did the priest know she was gonna be leaving the house? And at the bus stop. She knew flee. The priest knew fleabag would be leaving the house because he definitely was not that far away. When Godmother started calling him a

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cunt, Send them away and then you because he probably she literally

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had just closed door. He had not, like, sprinted down the steps.

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So he knew he

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heard it for sure. And then there was an email from David who was talking about the line. When they're talking on the park bench after the haircut and they're talking about the miscarriage and flea bag says to Claire, Shame you didn't get to keep that doctor and that that wonder he wondered if that alluded to maybe a deleted scene we didn't see.

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Yeah, or is it just a one off being like, Hey, I'm still thinking about sex all the time. Just a reminder. Yeah, I took it that,

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like they had a cute doctor. Yeah, she could get, But I'm sure I do wonder if there were deleted scenes.

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Yeah, I don't know. There's copy. I want timing it onto. I went to the e. R. One time with a friend, and he ended up like finding out that The doctor was so cute. Pound is figure out his name and messages on Facebook. Wow. Nothing happened but tried. Good story, Ali. You take that out. I know that. But how are they married now? No. Nope. They never spoke, but he did try. Just spent four hours with Doctor. But then that kind of

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led to somebody had tweeted that they wanted out. Take,

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That's like like Chris or criticize giving it a blooper reel. And Sean

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Clifford was like it Me like I want it to Honestly. So you know, there's gotta be one.

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He's like, they're not doing a Christmas special. Like most British knows, Give us the outtakes. Basically, if anybody's listening because like, they're putting out the scripts, Yeah, like we want just the uncut dailies, like just the raw footage. Just give. Just give us everything

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you may on we will make. Yeah, it will never be. Let's analyze. That's our James Bond movie about me, but it'll never be enough. All right, so that kind of does it for the events of the week. I guess we take a quick break and then we'll come back and play. All right, we'll be right back. All right, we're back. And good news. This episode might be under four hours. Three Anders cross thinkers crossed because, like I said, we've only seen the plate once, so we haven't been able to delve into it into that deep a detail. We do have the scripts. We each have copies of the script.

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Just so I mean, so different need to see it. But, um, yeah, we did before when you guys are so fun. Finally, it was fun to feel like our people were there like everybody around was feeling the vibe totally fleabag lovers. And it was a Sunday

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morning, which is a little odd to see that, but the

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empty live production was also I thought, great.

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And they were showing, like, a little behind the scenes featurette of how they want you to feel like you're there and they kind of just show the audience crowd noise and made us, you know, it was exciting. Like, even when she came out, like I wanted to applaud,

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actually fly like the whole time. I was like, Oh, no army. No. I wanted to stay at the end. How would have felt? I usually make fun

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of people who clapped at the intermediate like they're not here.

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It's like clapping at the end when your plane lands. I'm like the job. You did it

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Really? Just statistically good does not special,

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but I will have my one complaint of our experience. Was that there were these flies? Yes, on the TV. Literally. You guys, we had fleas? No, at our flea bag. Super Inning to profit. But there were these two. Some kind of bug was arm bones on the movie screen and right on her face, it was in the woods, literally black. And it was like going around her eye and her nose, and it was, like, so distracted. I was being like, This doesn't matter. Don't let it ruin. They were right there. Just look past it looked past because at first I

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thought, Oh, she was there something in the theater. Oh,

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pixels off of them. And they recorded it. Yeah, And then I was also like, How big is

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that bug that's on the screen? And then I realized it was on the lens projector, and that's why it looked bigger. And then it kind of started moving.

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God it was so it was really annoying. And also you said, there's literally

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8% of the screen that has anybody

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would be on the light part and

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it wouldn't look for the part that Heather,

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anyway, we made it. Not about made it are our fly bag we powered

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through. Just remind me of the dumbest thing that happened after the Emmys, which it was. Whoever entertainment Tonight thought it would be funny to give them a fly swatter when they came back for the light post. Yeah, so at Post

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did.

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When they did, their little interview with Kevin Frazier was like Here we have this for you. It's a flaw. It's and they're like, What is this a police water? And they're like, That's not a thing.

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You haven't seen the show. I looked at

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him like that, and, you know, some producer came up with that. That's really fucking

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good. But his assistant still had to go buy it. Yeah, I just That was one

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of the better movie experiences, too, because, like we said, these were just our people and the

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crowd was that was

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the quietest island. Everyone was theater like riveted, and it's I mean, the whole thing is like, what an hour? Like a little over an hour. But there was no rustling, no conversation.

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And the theater were I They had four, uh, like screening your rice screening rooms, whatever set apart for it. And it's a

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small theater. It's like an art theater, right? It was kind of interesting. They were, like 356 or seven. Wait, What?

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Even though I don't know, you said I might have been better. Yeah, I kind of wish we were all in one room. Just cause then you feel the vibe, you get more of it does like there's no empty seats, but whatever. I'm not. It doesn't actually matter. I guess

spk_0:   19:56
everybody got a better seat of Frasier. We could. We were all spread out and then kind of came back in the lobby of talking. And we even just here, like you said, meeting our people because there was one and we actually were kind of trying to go around like mentioned the podcast people guerrilla marketing, marketing.

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We're really good at it. There was a ah woman in front of

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me with a group of people, and I just All I heard was Andrew Scott's a national treasure and I just lean forward was like Did you just say under Scott, she's like, Yes, and I was like, I went to London to see his play. Oh, my God. Are we best friends? Yes. It was like so insufficient numbers, numbers telling you all post the picture that I took. Uh, yeah, her name was idea. And we're obviously best friends now, forever.

spk_1:   20:38
So but just another way. We're talking with people. My favorite was there was, like, probably a group of, like, eight women in there like mid seventies sitting and they were all dressed up. They looked so like they just looked lovely. They all have lipstick on like it was their little they're, like, outing. And I wasn't sure if I was gonna, like, go say anything, that podcast with the whatever. Then I was talking to some other people and they were like, What's going on? And I was like, Oh, well, we have this podcast about the TV show, and they were like, What? It what it was like. Listen to something on your phone. I want to be like, Ask your kids. But It was so sweet and like they were just so genuinely interested in They all wanted to, like know happily So anyway,

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so that the play I thought was just action was better than expected. I know that sounds really weird for someone who has a fleabag podcast. Yeah, I just hadn't known what to expect. And I thought, Well, I've read the play and was kind of like, Okay, that was very good. Obviously, to see it performed is a completely different. It's

spk_1:   21:41
nothing like my I'm going to see it on Tuesday again. I think I might like it. I mean, I loved it. It was incredible. But I kept feeling like had to take notes, right to talk about stuff, right? So on Tuesday, I'm just gonna buck and be their president. Yeah, I think it'll be great. It really even

spk_0:   21:55
gave me new. I already admired her as an actor. My God. And now it's just like next level.

spk_1:   22:00
Yeah, that's some of the physical comedy. Just Yeah, she she blew me out. She blew me away. I want to know that

spk_0:   22:05
it's just her, like, even obviously having written it and then be able to bring it to life and kind of knowing what she was picturing when she wrote it, but to not have anything to play off of other than some recorded voices, a chair and

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it was incredible. Unbelievable. And I do

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wonder. I had said to one of our friends like, I almost wish I could get a time machine and go back and see it without having seen the show because I couldn't help predicting punch lines or picturing the actors. Noah's the characters.

spk_1:   22:38
Well, that is a good transition into discussing sort of clay versus the show comments on that. So we're not going to

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go through the plate chronologically like we do on the show. We're just going to kind of have some groups of topics. We want to talk

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about it. If you don't have access to seeing a screening and you want Thio Getsem, just read the play or something, you can get it online. It's called fleabag. Well, there's two. There's just there's one

spk_0:   23:05
that'll just this fleabag is likely a major TV series and just the play script. And then there's the special edition, which is the pink one.

spk_1:   23:12
Think you could also get that baby in Vicky Jones. And like some photos. Awesome. It's a special edition, Guys. It's special.

spk_0:   23:21
Very special. Anyway, so, yeah, we're gonna kind of talk about, like, the play versus the show. Yeah. And you found

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So in that guardian article, this woman Nina stevia stuff. I don't know she her question waas fleabag started as a one woman show. How easy was it to build the characters around her and retain her complexity? And Phoebe, he's so so what this pockets episode's gonna be is just us reading The guardian aren't ability. But in this one case fees answer was it was hard. So much of flea bags power in the play with her descriptive weaponry in love. Um, she could some someone up and decimate them within moments. And it would be the only perspective the audience would ever have on that person. Once they were real people populating this show, A new line was drawn. Now fleabag is describing a person who's standing next to her. We can see them too. In some ways, it created its own tension in comedy. The more the audience contradiction. What fleabag led us to believe about them? The more interesting. It was so like she'd say he's not gonna do that. Then he does it. So I just thought that was like, Really like I just love unlocking her brain and her, You know how she perceived everything. And it goes back to like, wishing you could kind of separate those characters from the TV show right to the play

spk_0:   24:30
in the show. So much of her performance is sliding into these like little asides and talking to us and breaking the fourth wall and doing it so seamlessly. And here it's her doing that slipping into the characters yes, and acting out a scene with another character that we can't see. But even having seen the show, she creates it so clearly. And you can even just picture the president of the scene there in. And that to me, was what was extra impressive.

spk_1:   24:56
Yes, to take a step back. And I meant to do this. I forgot about this, but we didn't. I I think everybody listening probably knows, but just in case, the basically the origin story is that fleabag started out as like a 12 minute sort of stand up anything that she feed you average wasn't really going to do. And then her friend, ever. Francis, wait, who does? The guilty feminist practice was like, Go do it. She didn't want it to be. You don't want to see what she was like. Sounds like stand up. And then she Debra White Debra phrases I was like, Well, there's a chair. And so she was like, Okay, I'll sit. So from that 12 minute thing that they made it into an hour long thing submitted it thio, um, been brewed Edinburgh? Uh, yes, Fringe festival. And then within the 1st 10 minutes of seeing it, a BBC execs who was in the audience was like, I'm going to make a TV show And that's how it all took off. But one thing I noticed, Um, what ages ago, when I was reading the script for the play. There's like this in the in the beginning. Deborah Frances White writes a little in the special Special edition one, and she's talking about how they did the 12 minute saying Whatever And she didn't. Phoebe was like, Are you sure? Should I do it? Whatever. And it turns out that they, like, had Phoebe headline just like, you know, sort of stand up the event. And so Debra says, I do not remember why Phoebe headlined the gig as she felt she had taken a step out of her comfort zone into the direction of standup comedy by talking directly to the audience. So in retrospect, it seems like we gave her the toughest slot, given that we just ruthlessly tor GN down her fourth wall on Guy was like, Oh, there's a There's a word like they mentioned the fourth wall ding ding ding. But I just thought that was interesting that they were like they took her, They made her she I didn't plan on breaking

spk_0:   26:45
the fourth wall and it just organically right. Happened then became like a defining cager.

spk_1:   26:50
Exactly. So it's just like a fun thing to see even just how the progression of her use of the fourth wall it has gone throughout. The

spk_0:   26:58
different innovations well, and it it's interesting when you write a lot of times, the things that you think are the worst parts of what you've done are the best or what people respond to the most, and the thing that you think is just the winner and the really the your crowning achievement falls totally flat. Yeah, so it's like just being open to that.

spk_1:   27:20
Yeah, totally process. During the play, what was so amazing is just being so you really you recognize her tempo and the care she takes in the cadence and the ramping up of things. And I don't know, I just that also brought me back to this quote from again the special edition that from basically Vicky Jones and Phoebe have ah, like back and forth. And they wrote down. And Vicky Jones says, You're constantly thinking of how the audience will feel from moment to moment, and you never apologize for really going there to keep them on the edge. Actually, you're really rough with your audience, but they love you for it. And I felt that cause I When I was there this morning, I was like, Yes, like we're It's a it's a roller coaster. You're up and down your sucked in your laughing and crying, and you're like, What the fuck has happened to my emotions? But she's just she knows howto

spk_0:   28:10
well in that goes back to what you had read to about dry Wright's whole thing was like, It's not necessarily about setting up premises. It was setting up things that get a specific reaction from the audience.

spk_1:   28:22
Yes, like make the audience feel this right? Or make them laugh and cry in the same five seconds, right? Yeah, which definitely happens in here. Oh, my God. Yeah,

spk_0:   28:30
and and it's both her performance and then just the unpredictability of the writing, where certain things you would think. And this happens on the show all the time. We talk about it like unless her show. But things that would follow a predictable path somewhere else get completely turned on their head and keeps you on your toes the whole time you're watching.

spk_1:   28:48
Yes, like so in some interview, Once upon a time, Harry Brad Beer, the director of the TV show, said Phoebe takes a tickle, tickle slap approach to her work, seducing the offices in the Vogue article, okay, seducing the audience with laughter and then hitting them square in the face with something shocking and like we felt that firsthand today.

spk_0:   29:10
Yeah, and if you had read that quote where she said when you laughed, you're actually like opening up your body. Yeah, and like making like you're opening your mouth. You're like we're more vulnerable, vulnerable, and that's really occasionally pop you in the chest. Something really emotional. Absolutely. We got a little bit more time line definition in this.

spk_1:   29:30
Yeah, I because I have been wondering, you know, I just I just want to know where she'd been. You know, it's Sally's

spk_0:   29:36
got one of those walls, like, you know, like when they're solving a murder like photos and push pins connected with string. She's got a whole wall where she's got this mapped out.

spk_1:   29:46
Yes, you know, I told you, I'm telling you,

spk_0:   29:51
it's like Homeland like with clarity like jazzy music, you know, and

spk_1:   29:54
she's like sobbing in line. I had sort of wondered what the timeline was between her mom dying and boo dying and hey, the cafe and all this stuff. So we did get some hints that I actually hadn't really noticed when I read the play a few months ago, so we know her mom died two years ago. She says that in the in the TV show. But then she says, Last summer, a month after Boo died, she met this ginger guy, defensive or whatever. So I It seems so if you say last summer's losses were close. Yeah. Like, seems like maybe the play is about exactly a year after Boo died. Yeah. And that. And Boo died about probably a year at when her mom we're after her mom died. And I think in the

spk_0:   30:32
show, she says her mom died. Three. You're in west for years. You had it a little, but I think either way, we're supposed to think that maybe her she lost her mom and boo within a year of each other. Oh, or at least you're here about a year. Yeah, which is a lot. Yeah. Yet for not that long. Yeah. Yeah. And then you had wondered, too. Like, how long had she and Boone known each other

spk_1:   30:54
you like? So she goes into this whole thing about how boo really have screwdrivers as a kid. And, like, had screwdrivers. What? Yeah, under her, Like, slept with screwdrivers under her pillow till she was 10. And she said they'd spend hours together like unscrewing stuff and re screwing stuff. Right? So I think they were childhood friends. Yeah. I couldn't tell if

spk_0:   31:16
they did all that unscrewing screwing just in passing time in the cafe. Or

spk_1:   31:22
like how you know, how dedicated was changing the screwdriver.

spk_0:   31:26
Yeah, like, Hey, you wanna do anything? Let's play with light sockets for a little while. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's very plausible. They could have been childhood friends without her calling it out specifically. Either way, she knew that about her, so they had intimate very clearly shared a lot about each other. Yes, absolutely. Even though the play itself like and we're saying like Broken, breaking the fourth wall and she's talking to the audience, it still feels like a performance where she's talking to us, but almost just in this performative way. Like

spk_1:   31:56
like presenting something to us. Yeah, and not interacting with us until there's one. Yeah, and it feels like

spk_0:   32:02
it's the only time. Yeah, where it's a little more meta and like, almost breaks the fourth wall of the theater. When she makes a reference to hoping because she hadn't heard from Claire in a while and that she hopes Martin didn't beat the shit out of her, he goes, No, he would never do anything that sexy and the audience kind of goes, Ooh, because you think like, he would never do anything like that, that sexy, and then she kind of because I'm joking. Jesus.

spk_1:   32:27
Yes. So she It's like she responds to us. And I hadn't noticed that throughout the play, and maybe we missed it. But that that seemed like the the, like, primo example of her actually having a relationship with us. Yeah, she responded to our response, which was funny, because we're used to that if you Joe. But then in the play, it's I was like, No way. Yeah, I know that, right? Yeah, we have a relationship. Didn't notice

spk_0:   32:49
that was different until just now. To the point where I almost wondered if she had improvised it to that audience. And but because these great actors Yeah, yeah, it's in the script that she's she knows that's the reaction they're going to get. Yeah, well, she's

spk_1:   33:03
provoking it. Yeah, yeah, just speaking of

spk_0:   33:07
the writing, when you see the play you see and even just reading it, how much of it really was just kind of for lack of a better term, like, copied and pasted into the show that that oversimplifies that she obviously had to restructure things and flesh out characters. And I know she said it was actually very hard to adapt it into the intothe Siri's. Yeah, what I mean, is that really dismissive that she copied and pasted, but

spk_1:   33:31
well, but there is word for word. What does that mean? It shows how meticulous

spk_0:   33:35
the writing is because it's not even like she just took scenes or themes or conversation. Yeah, and move them over like its line for line. Entire sections. Yeah, and like her sitting on the toilet, talking about sex and yeah, and, uh um and even some of the beats and the

spk_1:   33:52
like You're not You're not like other women. Yeah, and keep up. You know, Right, Well, stuff.

spk_0:   33:58
There were a few other a lot of other examples of that, or even then, lines of dialogue that were assigned to different characters in season. You know, either in season two or we'll get to that a little more. We talk about the characters, but I just actually, it made me respect her as a writer. So much because you realize how much she sweated every word to the point that when she moved it to the Siri's. She knew. Oh, no. This is exactly what needs to be

spk_1:   34:23
right. I have it right.

spk_0:   34:24
I have it right. You could just figure out where it goes. Yeah. So the story about the ginger at the music festival the story is that she after Boo, had died. She went to this music festival,

spk_1:   34:34
so she, like, took a lot of drugs,

spk_0:   34:36
took a pill or something like a villain flew away and then ended up following this ginger guy out, too. These are her words. I think Ginger's not supposed to be the most PC term, but that she had followed this guy out into the woods and kind of lost track of where she Woz. And he was carrying her at one point, cause he said you're too weak to walk, and then he takes her to attend, like, laser on her back, and then she kind of does this hesitant like, and then he faces very grave. And then here, you know, and you're just He

spk_1:   35:03
lays me on my back,

spk_0:   35:04
my back, and you're expecting a cliche aid story about an assault. And then she's like, Annie, put a cover on me and gave me some water and waited outside the tent like

spk_1:   35:14
and he was She was disappointed. And she goes,

spk_0:   35:16
I thought he would have touched me up a little. So a great example of that unpredictability of her writing and just inverting a cliche

spk_1:   35:24
and avoiding that, you know, on the lesser show, destroying the predictable because I sat there. I mean, she's doing that too. It's totally on purpose. She's toying with us because I was like, 00 wait. I don't remember this part from the plate on his She was she assaulted? What is happening? This seems intense, Buck, right? What's gonna happen and then your legs trauma? Oh, uh, one thing I'd put in

spk_0:   35:48
here is I kept watching it, thinking how you know, here she's performing this at the peak of the success of season to flea bag. It was preemies. Yes, she hadn't won the Emmys yet because they had the presenter at the beginning because I think this in the UK this actually ran live. So this was her. She was performing in the theater at the same

spk_1:   36:06
time. I was like no September oh, September.

spk_0:   36:09
But it was like September 4th or whatever it was early in September and whenever the Emmys were. But and so the other presenter mentioned that because it would have been exciting to see it in a theater, knowing it was being performed live in the West. And definitely, but the presenter had just said it's nominated for 11 Emmy. Yeah, so she hadn't had that success yet, but

spk_1:   36:31
it's still like her. Her life had an act like it exploded, but there was more exploding to still to come sign with Amazon

spk_0:   36:38
for $20 million Right? Maybe she was, Yeah, but this was like her big The peak of this performance and

spk_1:   36:46
so much of

spk_0:   36:47
the show is about insecurity and insecurity specific about her body. Because I'm washing thinking like how she's

spk_1:   36:53
gorgeous on.

spk_0:   36:54
She's so expressive, you know, she's so confident. But then so much of it is about her feeling self conscious about her body and,

spk_1:   37:01
like mannish and a med right, still never get over when she's like Claire like, clothes look really good on clearing like they look really good on you. So I thought exactly that that is amazing

spk_0:   37:12
that you say that because that was the line when she does close look really good on her. And I thought you just did a cover for Vogue. And like our wearing designer clothes like outfits that models wear and they look amazing on you and

spk_1:   37:26
you're on the cover of Vogue like that is that's not even

spk_0:   37:28
just your celebrity. It's like you're a fashion to our fashionable.

spk_1:   37:33
Yeah, and And we'd mention this a

spk_0:   37:36
little bit before of if you had told her in 2013 when they had a Kickstarter to get this showed Edinburgh that you're like in six years you're gonna be on the cover of Vogue as like a model of beauty.

spk_1:   37:48
She might have thought you were crazy. Yeah, so just interesting to see how, even though you know, everyone feels that way. You know, one thing is interesting, too. It's like she has a noticeable birthmark. Yeah, I think it's, I think most people like It's cool and unique and interesting, but like that also feeds in. I think she's kind of a poster child for anybody that has a facial birthmark to be like Fucking embrace it, right? So it's even that, like she's just she's showing, she what I like is she showing both sides. She's insecure, She's also confident, like she's a normal fucking human. You're right,

spk_0:   38:21
you have waves. And any celebrity female to will tell you that. You know, like the vote cover. You know, there's like, 20 people on. So getting to look exactly that we shouldn't wake up and do that shouldn't enter Scott. You just wake up, slap on some aftershave and a little micro X, looks fully ashen and walk out of the house with dirty hair. Um, yeah, in You know, there's a a team effort. It's not realistic, but it just the cover itself. It made me feel better about myself to think like, Oh, here's somebody who on the surface has it all And clearly she's. I'm sure she's much more confident now than she was back then. But everybody, women especially, have that insecurity underneath. There's only something telling us there's something off with which I kind of connects to back to that Guardian article Russell T. Davies had asked her about just about her success and how she's dealing with

spk_1:   39:16
you. Look, how are you? How are you? How? Because, he said,

spk_0:   39:19
people plan for like creativity, but they don't plan for. They don't know how they're not trained. You're trained to be an active you're not trained to deal with fame and success. And I liked it when she was like

spk_1:   39:29
It's been amazing, but it's not like I don't know, I'm great. This is great. This is actually super fun, and I think because she

spk_0:   39:35
is somebody who maybe is ground it already

spk_1:   39:37
and she's not on social media like I feel like separate like she's kind of like Tina Fey like they kind of are beyond it a little. And even though she's young, out of the world, out of that world, it's not like that. This is

spk_0:   39:48
happening to her at 23 you know, she's, what, 33 34? 34? Yeah, and but she did say that going back and doing the play it was a really important part of this past year and that, she said, putting the show up with same gang who put it up in Edinburgh in 2013 performing the characters that started the whole thing and then ultimately letting her go was oddly grounding. So I really like that that they you could say this was like a cash grab. They brought the show back to stew playoff, but I think it brought it full circle. People wanted it and it brought sold. It was a great full circle moment. I'm sure for her

spk_1:   40:23
I feel it. Yeah. Don't you feel just like, um, hand girl, you you have your cake And you ate it, too. Like she got every like, it's It's really just fun to see somebody who is extremely talented and also seems very kind. And everybody's so glowing about how just a kind human jizz and to watch just good shit happen right is really cool. And it really it was It is like a cycle tow Watch her just like check all the boxes of awesome right in this whole fleabag universe is really cool. Well, that was

spk_0:   40:54
one thing that somebody else had asked her about. I may be used, maybe was in the same court about success because she said something about that. She does worry about what would happen if she lost. All of it fell in a way if it all went away and that. But she said what would really hurt was losing like this creative freedom, working with people she loves and kind of just getting to collaborate. And so it wasn't like, Oh, I would lose all this money and fame.

spk_1:   41:20
She was like I would lose a few coats, Yeah, but the

spk_0:   41:24
course she just likes creating thing. Yeah, and that that is what ultimately she will continue to do, regardless of what level fame she has, right? One other thing that I get to just talk about the play verses the show in a couple moments that you mean throughout the whole thing you're seeing like, Oh, that became this or oh, that she did this in this scene and whatever. But there's one part where she's talking about how, after she sending the the sex, the naked pictures and texting them in the bathroom. And in the play, it's a little bit of a sadder scene because it's played a little bit for I mean, she's obviously annoyed when she's texting pictures to this guy. Keep asking for more

spk_1:   42:01
and she's a longer scene. I feel like it is a TV show. It just goes on. You're like, Oh my God, she's still

spk_0:   42:06
take these Well because They're two sequences which will get into this next time about her performance and her physical comedy. But it's like to complete mind sequences of Unbutton Your top pulling up her skirt, pulling a cider underwear.

spk_1:   42:21
I look a little pulling aside her under a GTO I got because it

spk_0:   42:26
just makes it so, really, You're just like,

spk_1:   42:28
Oh, it's

spk_0:   42:29
so bad and take it and then getting back dressed again, having immediately asked for doing it again and you can tell she's just disconnected and not into it. And then your boss checks in under, cause like the fourth time she's gone into the bathroom to do this.

spk_1:   42:44
Also, he's like, arbitrarily Australian for comedy purposes like It just was like Oh, you're fun, this fun When it first when she did the voice, I couldn't tell if she

spk_0:   42:53
was like implying. Like, my accent's not that good. So I have to tell you he's Australian. Yeah, but But then he is saying, like she goes, makes up her excuse that she has cystitis, and that's why he's like, Oh, like my wife. Hasn't you need to drink cranberry juice? You want me to get you some from the canteen, and then she's just quiet. He's like, Are you Are you crying? And because what it reminded me of in Season one is that is how our soldiers guy describes to her family. That's how they met. He found her crying in the back. So I think one thing that that but I just saw it, too, is her. Here's a man who's actually being very kind to her, and she's dealing with this, like, gross asshole in the

spk_1:   43:31
face and also is maybe a little surprised because you think if you say something overtly feminine than a guy, just be like up, okay? No. All right. Just take all the time you need. Say no more like, Is it in your vagina? Oh, my God. Okay, stay there all day. Just excuse me. The one thing I do wish you'd

spk_0:   43:52
brought over from the play is the slutty pizza.

spk_1:   43:55
Yes, she talks about ordering a slutty because

spk_0:   43:58
it that bitch was drifting and that she wanted inside. So wants me so bad that whole tomorrow. That was really fun. I wonder. She tried and it just didn't work.

spk_1:   44:08
Yeah, because you need her to like me saying it in conversation, I Yeah, it doesn't add a little bit. Yeah,

spk_0:   44:16
but from now on, I'm only gonna order. Slutty

spk_1:   44:18
knows I'd like a, uh, slutty pizza with cheese and pepperoni.

spk_0:   44:24
Pepperoni. Get it on. Sliced. Just a big

spk_1:   44:27
draw. Sausage gross for Martin. Okay. Yeah. You sure? Yeah. So we want to talk also just about her fucking genius. Brilliantly. Every acted performance. I think she's very talented. You, something I thought was really fun. Is that she? So when she acts out, some of the characters, like some of the characters, are voices that were here off screen, right? But some of them she is playing that role, and she takes most of voice. Most of them. Yeah, she takes on a different way. She her shoulders, you know, her whole body language is different. It's, you know, it's it's beautiful. And But what I thought was so interesting is that she defined those characters so well in the play that they are identical in the TV show like, specifically, Who's To Rodent in the show. And then bust wrote in our to Britain in the plane bus rode in on the TV show. She she the mannerisms that she shows the leg little, tiny little mouth. She makes just how he you know, she's the one that says, Like he's talking like he doesn't want to let the words fall out, like just the way she did that. Jamie. Dmitri, who plays bus rode in, must have just seen and been like, Oh, cool. Okay, that is what I'm gonna do, because he does. The exact he plays it exactly as she played it. Same cadence, same everything. And it was so brilliant. So it's just cool to be like, No, she knew who these characters were. I just stay with Terrible. Same with Harry. Like yeah, even just the You know, you're not like other girls. You can keep up, keep up. Like she just says it. Yeah, Yeah, he always they just followed. She just figured out the best way for that stuff to be said, and they were like, Yes, e agree.

spk_0:   46:12
Well, and it wasn't her performance, but one of the male voice that is the bank manager. I actually almost thought it was Hugh Dennis. It was because it was spot on with just the kind of lilt in his voice and Um, and even though you don't see that character and it certainly is not as fleshed out as it was in the show, but also still has that moment at the end where, yeah, they kind of share that redemption. Yeah, the mean, just what I had said that before. Like, just impressed with how she could just completely become these other characters, which is the definition of an act, but again, to do it by yourself on a stage with a chair.

spk_1:   46:48
And she came up with them, Yeah, does them. But she also figured it out before, you know. Yeah, but when you hear the premise,

spk_0:   46:55
you think, well, that must just be a low production to go up and just talk talk. But they're even though the lighting and the even though the set was so spars,

spk_1:   47:05
I loved how when she's on the tube, the lights on top kind of changed to kind of be that, like, flashy late. You would add lightning that you're moving. Yeah, you're like

spk_0:   47:13
moving through a tunnel. So her time of the tube when they want to broaden on here. I mean, with Jamie Dimitrios. The fake teeth did so much yes to that character and the way she described him in the show. We're like from the top up, you know, he's very handsome, but then little Rodent IV down and she portrays it more. She doesn't really make it the teeth because I kept. Think of Olivia Colman. Look,

spk_1:   47:34
it wasn't the tooth man because she does her face 30 that this is

spk_0:   47:39
just like she just brings her mouth into, like, a little point. Yeah, and that you can barely just see anything and the detail that his sister is deaf, which he shares to be interesting to show that he's interesting and empathetic. But he never learned sign language because she's really good at lip reading, even though she's like All I see is,

spk_1:   47:59
well, like like your lips are these tiny little fiddling moves. So what? I also did like that when she was acting out a conversation between her and to rodent. She showed her teeth a lot, right, Ashu at my look at my normal teeth, I opened my mouth. What'd he say? He tells the

spk_0:   48:17
story like he's trying not to let the words

spk_1:   48:19
out. So and then so much of

spk_0:   48:22
the like the physical comedy. And then also just some of the graphic description

spk_1:   48:27
where you're like you thought

spk_0:   48:28
the show was like sexually graphic.

spk_1:   48:31
And this wasn't even,

spk_0:   48:32
like sexually graphic, but just gross kind of the when she was talking about how Harry had broken up with her and left, and she's looking at the handprint on the wall from when she had a threesome on her peers.

spk_1:   48:44
The image that evokes so like what I think is funny is like Fine, great. Have a threesome, if you want. Clean off. What? Because if you think about it, this is the last time she would hear you were broken up. She they break up every 12 to 18 months. Right? That hampered has been on there for a year. Like, No, you didn't clean it before he liked. And he exactly like he missed that. Oh, guys,

spk_0:   49:09
it's really just Well, then, just the image of the threesome, Mrs Gross. But that again, the twist when she was like, Oh, I wish I could tell you it was like, you know, sticky and awkward and whatever.

spk_1:   49:20
It was lovely. Yeah, like Okay, Okay. Like the priest would say Whatever gets you there, right? We also get

spk_0:   49:27
a little more and through kind of the physical comedy. But Maur of, ah, characterization of her mother. Yeah, I don't really get a show. Yeah, somebody had written about sent me direct message. I won't say that her name just for privacy. But talking about having lost her mom and that she felt like Phoebe is portrayal on the show is it's shallow. Like you can tell she has not actually experienced this and that even though she talks a little bit about it, like after the funeral, there's not a constant presence of grief for hanging, which I think you could argue well, because it's so focused on Boo and that that kind of then also like repression. It happened so quickly and it superseded it, but she felt like just some of those notes were a little hollow, and I might agree with that. But it was refreshing. And here, though, just to see a little more glimpses of her

spk_1:   50:18
mom. Yeah, I hardly that might have been my favorite part of the whole way because she, like, acts out, you know, in the TV show, she says, you know mom's boobs were huge, and she always said I was lucky because mine would never get in the way. And so she mimes like opening up, having trouble opening a fridge because their boobs are too big and she like reaching into the fridge to grabs me. It just was so well done. And I was like, 00 tell me more about your mom or the eyes that

spk_0:   50:45
she couldn't see. She couldn't see her shoes or find these on the floor because, like her view and like,

spk_1:   50:50
where is it? Right? And I just I thought more physical comedy to when she's taking the sexy pics. Yeah, I mean, G honestly, my favorite part was she, like, taking all these pictures. And I was like, but seems like a lot like her. Some kind of keeps clicking, right? Also a lot more phone usage in the play than the show. Yes, but, um and I was like, I think you have enough photos, girl, like, how many does he want? And then she pulls over phone and swipes through them, and I was like, Oh, of course, right. She has to see it get the best one ever like, considers one and then you see

spk_0:   51:24
her going back and forth between two. Like which one's better.

spk_1:   51:27
So good, So like nuanced because

spk_0:   51:32
she's it's show. Don't tell. She were knowing exactly what she's thinking, and we've all been in that, even though it might not be with a sex picture. We've all been in that position of Like Which Selfie, which is the eyes a little more open on right on. The fact that she's doing then has to do it again.

spk_1:   51:47
I know, uh, that was hysterical. It's just so much

spk_0:   51:50
of someone had said, like acting just embarrassing when you think about so much of it and to be onstage and just commit to that,

spk_1:   51:58
because if you own it, it's not embarrassing because you're like, I'm doing this on purpose. Yeah, I make selling

spk_0:   52:03
right. There's nothing hesitant about I heard, I think was Paul Rudd's talking about. He was on Stern and storing was asking about, like, who were people who just who you admire, like comedically or things. I think it was like things you never expected to become a successful they were and their time like Jim Carrey and Ace Ventura. Uh and and, Paul wrote, was like the thing about Jim Carrey. He commits 100% toe what he's doing and sermons even like What does that mean? Like, I hear actors say that all the time. And he goes, there's nothing hesitant or tentative about what he's doing. The throw himself. He doesn't look at you like this is really weird, but I'm doing like just does it. So you're accepted. Yeah, And she's the same way. Yeah, she's not embarrassed. Kind of what she was saying about getting past like those filters and just doing things that scare you, that scare you and that you think are funny. And if you do it, confident of a nit's confidently enough and it's strong enough material. Yeah, it's going to resonate

spk_1:   52:56
kind of like how I feel about French people in fashion. Oh, phew, it's right on last episode. If you're just confident enough you feel like you, you seem like you did it all on purpose. All right, maybe I'll be like, Oh, good, cool,

spk_0:   53:10
my medicine, You a clip? Jenny Slate was just on the Daily Show saying the exact same thing way. She likes French fat cause she's gets. Do it, I really did. You hell you

spk_1:   53:18
want? That's fine. Also, I love

spk_0:   53:19
you. Just have to sell it the behind another really graphic image and very fine. One of my favorite moments is I

spk_1:   53:28
feel like we actually get

spk_0:   53:28
a little more background on Harry in the show in the play than we do in this show, because I feel like in the show I

spk_1:   53:36
was starting a

spk_0:   53:36
male friend of mine who said one thing he didn't like in Season one is he felt like,

spk_1:   53:41
Anytime you have a

spk_0:   53:42
show that is female driven, the male characters get short shrift and they become these kind of cliches or punch lines. I would argue that is not as true in flea bag as it is in other shows. I would say it happens more in Season one, and it doesn't season two. And that's why the priest was such a complex, yes, great characters. Whereas in Season one there is a little more of like a bus. I

spk_1:   54:05
mean, even though they all get

spk_0:   54:06
a moment like bus rodent gets his moment at the end. Yeah, where he's kind of like you don't go through life with teeth like these and not known people are lying and we

spk_1:   54:13
see all their stories, but we do spend a lot of it being like

spk_0:   54:15
your dummy. You're just a dumb now and like Arsenal guy is a little shallow. And then Harry is played a little, and it's kind of right, even though he gets his moment to and you know he's right and he's basically calling on her bullshit,

spk_1:   54:28
totally. But however more of him

spk_0:   54:32
just stories about him and the best is this one where he had been out with flea bag the night before and he was, like, super hungover and that he knew he was gonna be sick. He's talking to, like, clients or something

spk_1:   54:43
out to lunch and

spk_0:   54:44
goes to the bathroom. All the stalls are full. All the urinals are occupied. For some reason, he can't bring himself to throw up in a sink, which I don't understand

spk_1:   54:53
that you're better off for it. It's just busted in one of the

spk_0:   54:56
stalls kicking. There's a guy taking a shit and puke all over him, and then at the end, he thinks, Oh, this guy's gonna be pissed that I just did this And so he

spk_1:   55:06
slapped him in the face hunt by punching smacked in the face. Preemptive country. So just and she acts this out, she Shozo ragina, because then you also somehow

spk_0:   55:18
immediately reverse to being the guy in the guy's position. The guy's perspective, where

spk_1:   55:23
he's just sitting there taking a dump. Someone comes and pukes all a river and then pushes on the face of Italy's That's so But does it like she thought of that? I love that it's shot of it telling us. The store. Yeah, we have not seen these people were not in the bathroom, and she almost couldn't put

spk_0:   55:41
this in the show because not nothing they depicted could be as funny as her description of it and what you are, right? Yeah, I love that about hiding. Yes, because it's almost like when he's the bus road on the show says, You know, we got I got my coat caught up with another guy. We had to. I had to give him my coat.

spk_1:   56:00
Yeah, it just way. Just get to imagine. Just imagine. Officially,

spk_0:   56:06
coat is so tied up with another guy's coat that you just want to just take it and just walk away, walk away. The,

spk_1:   56:13
uh, It's just I feel like when

spk_0:   56:15
you read the play. It doesn't do justice to the performance because I remember reading and thinking like, Oh, it's different than the show. And now I'm even more excited to get the Scriptures to see how those words play just his words on a page I mean grand. Now these are words that I have memorized in my head, over and over. But to realize like we were talking about actors who could pick up a page and then make it. Yeah, it's like I'm like acting is like our. It's almost like a talent, the calling skill, that creep practice the craziest thing well. And it's also partly direction, too, because that's a lot of director does. That's what I'm to know, what a character should sound like, but then not go up to an actor and go

spk_1:   56:55
do it like this. Oh, the silence is implausible. I was really like the way she uses silences and pauses, like in this TV show she did. We just talked about that girdle. New. Yeah, and Isabel, especially I also like that was on purpose. The silence is like in sort of the cadence in the, you know, music of the film of the of the film of the TV show. But really, in the play, she just lets things land and you are just like she just she, like, works use. So it's manipulative, but in the best possible way.

spk_0:   57:23
Okay, so we that kind of pulled out some moments that reflect some of the themes we saw in this series. Especially feminism. Yes, because we get the same scene of her and her sister at the feminist lecture. Yeah. And her mom playing the lecture. Yes, Mom. In real life. Yeah. And that line, that dialogue is almost verbatim.

spk_1:   57:43
Yeah, even like the little kind of chuckle.

spk_0:   57:45
Yeah, but then they're a couple other parts where she was she saying how she needs this money and she's like, if she could get somebody there.

spk_1:   57:52
Oh, yes. So what I thought was I just thought it was interesting when she explicitly says in the play, like, sometimes I wish I could own up to not having morals And like, she's talking about the bank manager and let him come on my ass for £10,000 but apparently we're not supposed to do that. So okay, I won't even though it would solve everything that I could and I could. Yeah, So it's like another example of how feminism is hard and weird. And actually Deborah Frances White, in the intro to the special edition of the playbook says, Fleabag is the underbelly of our feminism, which is just as real as the glossy topcoats. What a line. Beautiful, Right. But I did think that's interesting because you're like E. I just think it's important to notice the nuances of the power play and that cut like, you know, using sexuality and agency. And I just that little

spk_0:   58:48
bit you seemed just sort of wrap it all up nicely with a bow. Well, I also had heard her talk about like, you see more explicitly when the lecturer starting to talk about you know, I need reassurance. That's the way she's talking. She, I think she liked visibly rolls her eyes like this is so boring. And she had said that that, like we could be feminists with an acknowledged that, like the events like this are

spk_1:   59:11
boring, right? Like female lectures. Yeah, he's like on and then her honest

spk_0:   59:18
about trading five years of her life for the perfect body. All these ideas of, I mean the whole point of bad feminists. Yeah, complex. Yeah,

spk_1:   59:27
I also when you know she's always skating line between comedy and drama. Nyman. Drama. Just try. And totally. And so one thing I noticed in the play is when she very end. She's talking Thio, I guess. The bank manager, Whoever that guy is that it seems more like

spk_0:   59:45
in the show she's applying for a

spk_1:   59:46
job, right? Okay, so the job,

spk_0:   59:48
whoever the bar is not gonna be at this job.

spk_1:   59:50
Exactly. So she's saying, um, you know, I made a mistake and she says, That's why pencils have rubbers on the end. And he says, Is that a joke? And she's like, I don't know. And I just Siri's Yeah, yes, yes, and I just That was so I don't know. That just resonated because it's like it's true. It's a joke. It could be funny and sad at the same time. It could be relevant. Like she she just she just hits those on the head so well and so many

spk_0:   1:0:21
times, people use humor to speak of truth. Yes, I mean, that's the oldest definition of comedy in the book, but and everybody has done it. But you say the thing that sarcastic or you call out, and

spk_1:   1:0:34
she has

spk_0:   1:0:34
made a good point about I

spk_1:   1:0:36
think it's

spk_0:   1:0:36
in the Guardian article that one of her favorite things to do It's either in the garden of the Vote that she thinks it takes so much vulnerability to try a joke. Like when you're talking to somebody, she always tries to make a joke, and I do this too, because, she said, it gives you an immediate sense of who the person is. But it's a risk. Like you could say something. They don't have any clue what you're talking about, and they just don't think it's funny. So it's an immediate vulnerability to put out humor and then see, And but then sometimes it is like, I don't know from kidding or not.

spk_1:   1:1:03
Yeah, you see, I just wanted to say that Yeah, can I Can I put it off as a joke point? You're like, Yeah, this'll serious? Yes. So then, looking

spk_0:   1:1:15
at some of the characters that you know, this is a little bit of getting like comparing with Siri's.

spk_1:   1:1:21
Yeah, but yeah, when she meets, to broaden and in the TV show she does this a bit, but in the place she really nails down, discussing how she, like simultaneously, is enjoying their like meat. Cute you and also is disgusted by it because she's like we look, we look, we catch each other's eyes. We both looked down and then we both look up at each other at the same time, and everybody notices in there like she left and other people in the carrier S O. I just I don't know. That, too, is like, always a fine line in life. Like, How is this my hyper aware to hyper aware of something that's happening? Can I just let it be charming, charming? Do I have to acknowledge that it's like a little lame, like right? And

spk_0:   1:2:05
she, I guess, even when she sees his full face and there was also a little bit too like like I'm enjoying this, But like in the show when she's like I hate myself Yes, yes, yeah, she knows everything she mentioned. I think at one point that Harry makes her laugh

spk_1:   1:2:21
Yeah, and I felt like we haven't seen them in the TV show. And also we know that because Clay oh, just realizes Claire is the one who, because we know Claire values somebody making her laugh. That's why she's Yeah, Martin. And she says when? When Fleabag says she and Harry broke up, Claire says, Oh, he always used to make you laugh. That's where that is, I guess in the TV show. Okay. But I just thought was interesting because they all of her words are very specific. And nothing is an accident in her writing like they need. They wanted to make sure that we knew like, this is a character trait and a just a value in general. Yeah, I thought Harry came off

spk_0:   1:3:00
less dweeby in the play.

spk_1:   1:3:03
I think it was not like a song. He's not like the sensitive songwriter,

spk_0:   1:3:06
right. It was just a little more like they just weren't a good fit. And maybe he just wasn't very exciting. Yeah, and they also mentioned that he's a little fat. Yeah, she goes, hair is long, but it is a little paunch and that some a friend of hers had asked like do you like that? He has a little bit of a punch because it means he's less attractive to other women. Yeah, and that she shot back about Lake because her husband, that woman's husband, was fat. Like, Do you clean the parts he can't get? She slept, but the Yeah, so I think Harry's I feel like he's portrayed. Yeah, less of that. Like Metro Sexual Up Tight feminine role. Which was funny, I think was a good choice in the show. Agreed. But here he comes off just more of life were complacent. We're not just not that happy.

spk_1:   1:3:50
Yeah, and one So one Harry. Another Harry thing, though that she does say, is sometimes when she's sleeping our guests, you know, pretending to sleep when you think honestly, yeah, Harry will, like, stroke her hair and whisper, Where have you gone? Where have you gone? And I got an immediate flash to the priest saying, It's it's like you disappear like what is that? And that the heart was funny. Gotta laugh, even

spk_0:   1:4:13
though, you know, obviously he's not meaning for it to be funny.

spk_1:   1:4:17
I mean, I thought I was just like, oh, Harry,

spk_0:   1:4:21
but it's Also, he's But then she kind of knowledge is like, Yeah, I've been kind of out of it even though it's implied that it's because of everything she's been going through but all any girl. So she's not that into him,

spk_1:   1:4:31
right? There was one part

spk_0:   1:4:33
where she said something, but it was about Harry may be meeting up friends or something. I think that was it. Like Harry left cause he was meeting up with friends and some guy in the West and audiences like,

spk_1:   1:4:44
00 yeah, it was funny, like the only guy laughed. And I think I wonder if his girlfriend whoever was like, fine Oh, yeah, it was a little like I don't think that was supposed to be funny. It was funny kind of experiencing the play with the audience from the live play like like there was one person who sneezed at the moment that I was like, Oh, that, you know, the producer of the street. I was like, Damn it, Did you have to? Can you not like it was really I was just like, Oh, that was yeah, but

spk_0:   1:5:18
I just felt so sorry for this guy

spk_1:   1:5:20
who now it's just recorded for later or something like

spk_0:   1:5:25
that, where people are, like, prime to laugh. And there was I don't know if I where I was watching something. We're like Bill Murray came out or something

spk_1:   1:5:32
and he even talked. It was like it was like, literally just entered the stage. You know, Bill Mary can just he has that just has a bad vibe. You think you could just make any face and yeah, yeah, So then we get the most we

spk_0:   1:5:45
get about Claire's sister or being Carson about

spk_1:   1:5:47
clothes. We don't get a ton. Yeah, and just even call her Claire. No, I think she has my eyes that

spk_0:   1:5:52
I think is just my sister. And

spk_1:   1:5:55
we feel like the

spk_0:   1:5:56
entire character arc of Claire from Season one is all happening in this lecture, most of it because she brings up the plats. She mentions the Lycra suit and describes that in a different context. And then we see in the show. But yeah, her hairs and Platz tied up, and that was good, revealed to where she's just like she's done something with her hair and then reveals that its plastic ties and it's bad guys come on. I can't resist under that.

spk_1:   1:6:22
And then it was such a

spk_0:   1:6:23
buildup where she's silent for so long. I just kind of smiling. She

spk_1:   1:6:27
says something like, I know I shouldn't I can't I can't resist. And then she just giggles to herself for like a solid 32nd. Like it, maybe more. It seems so long And just like and in my head, I was like, Oh, if this were the TV show, you'd be going Don't say it. Don't say Just don't say it I said, You know? Then what was so funny?

spk_0:   1:6:48
The buildup, who was good? And it was just nice hair.

spk_1:   1:6:52
Yeah, fuck off. Yeah, I love that. And the And then even

spk_0:   1:6:57
in the course of that conversation comes out about Finland. It comes out about Jake. My husband's not other people. And yeah, I'm gonna give it by the end. Look, I'm going to give you the $5000 like that. All happens in that one scene, which I guess is kind of by necessity that she didn't have as much time to like in a play on a one woman show like flesh out that character, even though you get a lot. You sense that whole character in in that? Yeah, totally. When she goes, her neck goes red. I've only seen that happen once before school. And was then

spk_1:   1:7:30
maybe that was when she should. In the singer. Yeah. I didn't come up in this no way. And then we get some more stuff about boo. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:7:38
I like that. She described that boo actually was built like a guinea

spk_1:   1:7:41
pig. No hits, no ways. Just straight down. But also just that kind

spk_0:   1:7:46
of cute cuddly, which I thought Jenny Rainsford did kind of convention.

spk_1:   1:7:49
Well, yeah. The one devastating bit, though, was that she tells us that after Boo learned that her boyfriend and fuck someone else who picked up Hillary out of her little case Hutch and then silently walked to the back of the cafe and just didn't acknowledge like, yeah, I just walked right by her and just sat there with Hillary for a while and that, like, yes, leave. It must've been so dejected. Like Wait, no, I'm your I'm the

spk_0:   1:8:20
person. Well, then, also even in person, knowing what she knew right, that it was her had to merely feel guilt and wonder Did doesn't know, you know, right? I know. And did she more evidence on? Then she mentions that she never told Boo's parents the full truth about what happened. But she did tell her boyfriend, and then he cried a lot that say having with her writing like those words are so simple. But she delivers them with such emotion. And you kind of get a full backstory even on him. Yes, Phoebe loves the ukulele cause she

spk_1:   1:8:52
s so that it comes out and actually never comes up in the show. I don't think we should wait, but in crashing in her other show, Lulu, her character plays illegal alien like silly songs all the time. And then the play Joe is presented with two. You bring the

spk_0:   1:9:08
alien then because he

spk_1:   1:9:09
wants the teacher silly thing. And we know that she and is a bill baby and it's a little both play. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:9:15
which they did on Olivia Coleman's right, The BBC song, right? We finally got the full Bush man.

spk_1:   1:9:20
Oh, my God.

spk_0:   1:9:21
Explanation in person. So she's talking a little bit more about I think I

spk_1:   1:9:28
think it was

spk_0:   1:9:28
after she sending the naked pictures She was like, I need a wax or something. Need a wax. And then she brings up that a man once told her that he loves a full bush. L'd yelled it. Yeah, yelled at me that says More like, yelled that he loves a full bush and that it filled her up with something like hope or relief. Yes, which It was an interesting take that she's kind of like, I'm tired of this maintenance and like, I have to fit this role. I would love to just let this go.

spk_1:   1:9:55
And I thought it was interesting that we don't hear hope. No, don't even hear the word throughout the whole play. And that that's what she has hope for. She wasn't right. But then she even

spk_0:   1:10:05
goes. I can't bring myself to grow. Just have confidence. But then she was, you know, even though it was an odd timing family friend of my mom's funeral, right? Jeremy, it didn't say Jeremy, just that. And to picture that, that he would spring that up.

spk_1:   1:10:19
Yeah, like wet. Like wow. How? Well, yeah, like Oh, your mother was great. She had a full bush I love a woman with but that goes back that, you know that is the reference to us. Harry Brad. We're the director's credit credit in the Funeral Episode episode. For his, his role is credited as full Bushman, right, because they wanted to nod to that because he plays that guy, I guess the other character that's very different. 01 thing to

spk_0:   1:10:47
go back to boo. So at the end, with the reveal and it is Claire who reveals again about what happens then is Claire or Fleabag goes to Claire's house because the money has not come through. So I guess she goes directly there. Claire said she was going to give her the money she needed for the cafe she transferred over. I hadn't heard anything so beautifully that goes to Claire's house. Martin answers the door, and it's clear Martin has had a conversation with Claire, and now and now we're seeing we're clear saying, I'm not getting that seeing the money. I'm not going to Finland and he says it was you the other way, the other way around, and so that whole conversation and and then brings up after what you did to boot the glow, almost word for word you have the same conversation. And but But her explanation about booze boyfriend was he wanted me like it wasn't my fault. He wanted me, and that was

spk_1:   1:11:39
I can't give up. Yeah, So if somebody wants me, I have to give my I have no choice. Yeah. How could I not? Yeah, like her eyes were burning. It knows that

spk_0:   1:11:48
it didn't even like it just wasn't even a thought that well, if he wants. And that line that matches her whole monologue about what she values about sex is being wanted.

spk_1:   1:11:57
Yeah, the feeling when somebody wants your body. Right. So we just see

spk_0:   1:12:01
that, MME. Or she doesn't say it. We see him come on to her in which

spk_1:   1:12:05
I don't. We talked

spk_0:   1:12:06
about this on the podcast about, Like, what was the scenario? Someone brought this up on the Facebook group. I think about what was the scenario where they ended up together alone?

spk_1:   1:12:17
Oh, yeah. The boyfriend and flea bag.

spk_0:   1:12:19
Yeah. And I guess they had set up that he lived across the hall from Boo and that someone said it seemed like they were showing that they had the three of them had been out that night hanging out? Yeah, and maybe booze. Just like I'm tired. I'm going to bed. Yeah. And then the two of them were just at his apartment

spk_1:   1:12:34
like they had a glass of wine, like, yeah, yes, stuff. But he

spk_0:   1:12:38
definitely came on to her and made a move. So that, I thought, was a Thio here. Her kind of explicitly say it's because he wanted me. Obviously. Yeah. So then the other character who is very different in the place, Joe Yes, very

spk_1:   1:12:53
personally. I think that's a good thing. Yeah, that's I mean, not good, just different. It's easier to take in the TV show Joe's role because she

spk_0:   1:13:03
ends up giving some of Joe's qualities toe other care. Like Belinda. Yeah, so in the show, Joe, I mean in the play, just a regular at the cafe comes in every day at 11 and I think it supposed to also show just people alone because at one point she's like, Why do you come here? And he's like for the T and also to see you and like he's just kind of a non used like another lonely

spk_1:   1:13:23
See, lots don't like. Take care of her little Yeah, he knows that her friend died and all that stuff, right? And But I think

spk_0:   1:13:29
also he's lonely and she had a sets up that he comes in one time and, like his woman, has left him and then other times like Plain wants to teach her the ukulele song, and then he later he's playing it at a bar. But everybody there, I guess Love sail like is buying drinks. And, um, I don't know, it's just the

spk_1:   1:13:46
difference. But the main thing is that in the play she like, can't you understand that Joe could be a platonic relationship and not want her? Because she she goes, I understand you don't have to be a bit, you know, you don't have to be ashamed. So she comes

spk_0:   1:14:01
basically after Claire has not decided not to give her the money. She thinks she assumes the cafe is gonna close. Yeah, she's feeling like just really depressed. Is this post Hilary also know because she tells the story in the middle of the Hillary thing. But basically, Joe comes in. She's feeling lousy. She locks the door, draws the blinds and, like takes off her shirt Yeah, and is standing in front of him and like, trying to like,

spk_1:   1:14:25
because we've watched her try to text everybody she could think of to have sex. Yes, and nobody has taken a robot just like, Well, Joe must want me. He comes every day. He's seventies, but he can't, you know.

spk_0:   1:14:35
And But then he let covers his eyes and he's telling you're like, Well, yeah, he's basically like, not humiliating her butt is basically saying You are obviously hurt and I think even says, I'm sorry for what happened to your friend. Yeah, like he knows she's in pain and this is why she's doing it. And and then you caught this detail cause in the place script, she goes, you know, it's okay, Joe. I'm 26. Yeah, And she changed.

spk_1:   1:15:01
Changed it in the lives screen, I guess, for maybe this round of the playoffs

spk_0:   1:15:05
this year. Six years old.

spk_1:   1:15:06
I'm nearly half your age, right? So you know she's not 26 anywhere. Yeah, with 34 had called

spk_0:   1:15:13
out that that's why she couldn't keep doing this character. Yeah, because she was like, that's what part of the crux is like. I'm 26. But also one thing we could also cause that he basically has a conversation with her that she later has with Belinda.

spk_1:   1:15:27
Yeah, like the people are shit. No people are. When are you gonna start realizing people are all we've got? That kind of

spk_0:   1:15:32
Yeah. He kind of gives her that pep talk. Yeah, cause I remember how the details of how it comes up, but she just says something to the effect of people shouldn't know. People are amazing. When will people realise that people are all we got?

spk_1:   1:15:44
Um, see that there's just

spk_0:   1:15:45
reminding me she had mentioned that in I think in that guardian article that she'll write stuff, but then if she cuts things, she'll kind of find new places to

spk_1:   1:15:54
put him

spk_0:   1:15:55
and had to find a home. Yeah, and there was something she was stuck on. And then she had no idea that she'd come up with 10 years prior. That suddenly was like, Oh, that's actually exactly it. Yes. Oh,

spk_1:   1:16:06
I love that. I love that idea. I think people

spk_0:   1:16:08
don't think that with writing or anything. Creative is that there's also kind of a science and an organization to it. and has, well,

spk_1:   1:16:16
it's a puzzle. And

spk_0:   1:16:16
also but also like these ideas, then are your those your assets. And so you kind of then have to manage those and keep track of them. And I remember, Did you ever watch the Joan Rivers documentary? No. And they were showing how she had an entire card catalog of jokes and you would literally go through and like, you beat my guy under, like B breasts and me like jokes w wedding, marriage or whatever. Like

spk_1:   1:16:41
you could have done a lot with an iPad and she would learn, Just pull out like, Oh, yeah, this is this

spk_0:   1:16:47
joke And she's had him. Unlike library. It was really incredible. And I've heard other comedians say that that they've got, like, databases on jokes

spk_1:   1:16:56
because it's their business, right? Absolutely. Oh, come one. So then also a couple

spk_0:   1:17:00
of things about her dad. Yeah, that the way they set it up. When she goes to her dad's house like we see in the pilot, she actually sets it up like she's going to an ex's house. Yeah, because she goes. I land on a familiar doorstep, which actually familiar

spk_1:   1:17:13
it's family, family Yeah,

spk_0:   1:17:14
but familiar doorstep. And you know, she's screaming through the mail slot and that this man appears the top of the stairs and he looks like shit. And you're just assuming this is an ex boyfriend. Turns out it's your dad. Yeah. And because she says something like that, Right thing to say to a parent,

spk_1:   1:17:29
Right? Right, Right. And then there's extra line about She shouldn't

spk_0:   1:17:33
say this on the show, does she About Would you find me? If you

spk_1:   1:17:36
saw me a few semi on

spk_0:   1:17:37
the Internet, would you click on me? Which is a little

spk_1:   1:17:40
too hard, Dad? She says it to her dad, and then he And that's when he goes. I'm gonna call you a cab.

spk_0:   1:17:46
And then there's another time where I think she implies that she had gone back to the house and he didn't even answer.

spk_1:   1:17:51
He likes stood at the top of the stairs. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get just

spk_0:   1:17:55
a hint of God trying not to be quiet, trying to be quiet. And she likes scrunches up her face.

spk_1:   1:18:00
Yes, that was really fun. And then the biggest difference. Yeah. Poor

spk_0:   1:18:04
sweet Hillary. Yeah, Hillary, Hillary! Hillary, The funny. So there were a couple additional moments with Hillary that lead to the end. So of course, the spoiler and the thing that's very different is a Hillary dies. Yes. And she

spk_1:   1:18:18
but to road into n fleabag collectively kill Hillary essentially in the play to like to broaden. Oh, to Brody. Yes, because he kicks her by accident twice. Well, not by accident.

spk_0:   1:18:31
Yeah, he thinks he's a rat, right? So the in the show, we see the yoga girl, see her out of her hutch and scream and yell. But it's a rat. And then I think to rodents, sees her again and just screams and says I'll I will,

spk_1:   1:18:44
Yeah, Okay, I will kick it right, So he

spk_0:   1:18:47
doesn't actually do it. And I guess BBC could give her the note like, Let's camp Hillary. And she was like, Yeah, I get it. And so it's a little bit of a combination of that, but clearly

spk_1:   1:18:59
and then because that towards the end, fleabag basically crushes

spk_0:   1:19:01
her and put her out of a painting. Yes. So she's having the same thing where she's having sex with him in the cafe he approached. The lights are off wherever. And then he has his phone. He sees her eyes in the dark and thinks it's a rat. Kicks her twice, and then after he leaves, you could just hear this. Like chattering.

spk_1:   1:19:20
Yeah, that's what got me. Oh, my God. I could not say they kept the chirping of the guinea pig. They kept, but putting that on and I was like, Oh, my God, Just kill her already and then But before

spk_0:   1:19:33
that, they had they expand a little more on when she gives it to her as a gift. And in the timing, she's a CZ two years ago, So right after her mother had died. So maybe she was not her head with them in the game, you know, little guinea pig. Yeah, and And that it was more recent than that. They had this whole guinea pig theme. Yeah, from the past nine years. Yeah, but there's these two sequences. One is her talking because they describe her little hair being like punkish. Yeah, and that if she were in a band, should be the guitarist who takes the music way too seriously or very seriously. And then she's like she did take music seriously and like when Boo would play something. And then this, like pop Song Comes On and Flea that in Like Phoebe starts dancing like movement had really feeling. Yeah, like moving her shoulders and light. And basically, this is Hilary dancing. Music is such a good bit really, really funny. So funny. And then there's another description of how she could get out of her hut and, like, move the latch and then stare and realized you could get out like back herself out on her around, look around, drop a little poop on, then go to the window and just she was with her like wild freedom. She goes into this like, stares out the window, And I had I thought, like, oh, she looking for

spk_1:   1:20:48
Boom waiting for Buddha come home. But both of these sequences

spk_0:   1:20:53
are like Phoebe Waller, Bridge Supreme because they're very funny. They're very well acted, but then they both humanize Hillary. So now we are attached to this little thing we can't even see so that by the time to rodent kicks her, the whole audience gasps

spk_1:   1:21:09
and in a second time in a second kick Come on, because now we know This is our little dancing Hillary and sassy. Yeah. And so

spk_0:   1:21:19
And then out of mercy. Yeah, Fleabag. Basically like No, she's in pain, Can't handle it and just crushes her.

spk_1:   1:21:26
Who? I still I still hate that, um Poor bowed. Thank you. BBC. Yeah, You did a good thing. Um, one even though

spk_0:   1:21:37
that porch and village and disagree. Well, maybe the insurance. Maybe that's where that went. Bad idea, but

spk_1:   1:21:47
and then now the end. So what? She does this,

spk_0:   1:21:49
she splits up the bank manager. Just all out of order. Yeah, so at the beginning, we see this interview start, and then

spk_1:   1:21:55
I guess it's not bank yes or whoever

spk_0:   1:21:57
it is. Whoever this is gonna hire her hiring manager her, she ends the scene there with the whole per slut. Yeah. Wow. Wow. And that whole thing. And then But she kind of says, like, wait, because she goes, you get out here off Julie, he likes you. But then she goes, Wait. And then it stops and then kind of show starts. So then that she bookends it now with the rest of that conversation. And it's basically the conversation she has with the bank manager at the end of series one. Yes. So all down to the exact speech about fucking has fucked up everything. I'm either I'm the only person who feels this way and whatever.

spk_1:   1:22:36
Yeah, and what I thought it just it's a little glimpse into something that we see a lot of the TV show, which is just like you show me, I'll show you mine. You show me yours like I'll be vulnerable, right? You can be vulnerable. Like her relationship with the bank manager in the TV show she shares. You know, they share just being vulnerable, you know, gets other people comfortable. And they want

spk_0:   1:22:59
to share their story. Because in the play, he gives, like, kind of a summarized version of their conversation with a silent retreat.

spk_1:   1:23:05
Yeah, like he he doesn't

spk_0:   1:23:06
go involved until about his wife and all that. But just that he made a mistake,

spk_1:   1:23:10
right? Yeah. And I, um, the part one of a quote from the Guardian waas from that article that she said is that she said damage is indicative of vulnerability, which I think always feels a little dangerous. It's evidence that a person can feel deeply that they could be open. Then that delicious wall goes up and we just want to scramble over it and save and feel the person. It's irresistible. I also think damages a glimpse of something honest, and that's always attractive. And I just saw that in that scene, you know, throughout. But like in that scene where she's like, Well, look, I fucked up. I literally truly fucked everything. I'm fucked. I hate this. This is my This is my story. This is my pain. And then he's like, Well, you shared yours, right? Here's why. I'm all fucked up, too. Yeah. And also, why that? Like, why I had to react to what you did. Yes. So strongly and yeah. Yeah.

spk_0:   1:24:03
And then basically was like, Let's start this over. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Even though it ends with her saying

spk_1:   1:24:07
Fuck, I know I love that it ends there going Fuck you. But it's like a joke. Yeah. Joke. Fuck you. So it was It was awesome. Was Really It was pretty good. I'd say it was fine. I don't imagine people got out alive. Yeah, um, we had a

spk_0:   1:24:23
couple other little, like, just etcetera things because she mention at the beginning. She mentioned something about I was in my office or my bed. Yeah, which Phoebe mentioned. She mentioned this in a couple interviews that she writes in bed. Yeah, which I I don't know how she does.

spk_1:   1:24:37
Oh, I I That's how I get worked

spk_0:   1:24:39
into fall sleep in a second. I mean, that is that is an issue, but, hey, I think it's working for her.

spk_1:   1:24:46
Yeah, right. I know. It's I think it's fine. She also I did notice she's wearing a small gold necklace and it like for a second it looked like a wishbone. And then I was like, No, I think it's just a circle. I didn't see it

spk_0:   1:24:56
cause I thought it was under her for

spk_1:   1:24:57
a bit. It was, and I was like I was trying figured out. So I was staring at her collarbone, but yeah, and then what I also thought was money is that she's like she was fucking sweaty the whole time, which it being under stage lights, your it's really hot, and she's wearing like a wool heavy sweater and like so I feel like that was definitely a character choices, because I mean obviously, but It's just it's She chose to be uncomfortable up there for this because make being sweaty kind of just makes you more normal and relatable. And it was at the begin at the top of the play. She's like, Sorry, I'm sweaty. I ran, you know, from the from the station. What? But like it just felt like to me, I was like, This is another reason we are all fleabag. Well, she

spk_0:   1:25:42
also had talked about it, I guess. One for Season two. Some website interviewed Ray Holman about the costumes, and he had said that the IRA irony with her is that even though she's a very sexual person, she doesn't dress in a very sensitive she doesn't. And you know, he said, there's some scenes were like the wedding like her skirts. Maybe a little short. Yeah, I'm clear River Sue clear over at the jumpsuit beginning and Claire at one point refers to, like, just wear slacks. Okay, but here it's the most basic, like like a heavy heavy sweater and black jeans and the loafers. Yeah, and I guess it partly just to take the attention away from the clothing and just focus on Yeah, but it works

spk_1:   1:26:22
out great. And then what I loved is that she took three bat like she on cord three. Tire was really fun. Yeah, I mean, I guess she's getting a standing ovation like such a stupid like such a funny, weird human societal thing that we d'oh like your later We're going to keep clapping and then you pretend to leave. Wait two seconds. Come back. We pretend to be surprised. Wiki clapping. You leave, we keep clapping, you come back again. Then we're really surprised, Like it's also fake. You like it Even so contrived. It's even worse

spk_0:   1:26:53
with concerts because it's there's no sir pretend Ineighty like

spk_1:   1:27:00
they want us to play some more. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:27:02
the lights are still

spk_1:   1:27:02
on another side. That funny societal.

spk_0:   1:27:05
Pete Holmes has a funny bit about that. Where he was like, I'm basically show how gullible he is that he went to go see Enrique Iglesias. He's like by myself, by the way, but that he's in the audience. He doesn't show ends, and I'm just like a return. It's one next to me and was like

spk_1:   1:27:19
he didn't play hero. I

spk_0:   1:27:25
give it two seconds. He's gonna come right, back out. Archie, the other day was talking about doing showing towel on and at the end they use. And then at the end, everybody. When I was done, everybody went and I

spk_1:   1:27:38
said, Oh, they all clap.

spk_0:   1:27:39
And he goes, No, that's what's called a round of applause Because obviously the teachers give Archie around

spk_1:   1:27:46
of applause. So you find yourself

spk_0:   1:27:49
is a parent going well, clapping is, you know, is doing this. But when a

spk_1:   1:27:53
lot of

spk_0:   1:27:54
people do it, that is called a round of applause.

spk_1:   1:27:56
Oh, my God, That's adorable. Yeah, What a little guy. All right, so that's it, I think. What did?

spk_0:   1:28:04
Um wow, we are not exhausted. And

spk_1:   1:28:06
it's 12 30 in the morning. We I think it's

spk_0:   1:28:09
great. It's kind of funny that we are talking about the beginning of all this right before we talk about the end of all of it, which is next week talking about episode six, which is hard to believe that you're there, and then we'll have the Scriptures out soon after that. So,

spk_1:   1:28:23
yes, and then we have some ideas for other episodes and we welcome yours. Please send us yours. Yeah, shoot us an email. You can email us at the fleabag situation at gmail dot com. You can find our website at fleabag podcast dot com.

spk_0:   1:28:38
Yeah, and then we're also on Instagram at fleabag situation podcasts. And then our Twitter is at fleabag podcast. Yes, it's a lot of just competitions. Podcast in City State, a Facebook group. There's a Facebook, which you can just search the fleet back situation. And don't sweat that entry question. I don't know what people were like. Oh my God, I felt like I had to write an essay just so much pressure about what a sleazebag mean to me. And it's like it's just kind of I like reading the just

spk_1:   1:29:04
going to join the group. We're just like, Why do you like

spk_0:   1:29:06
you just go back and make sure you're not a body

spk_1:   1:29:09
away or a troll like we just be a normal person? Exactly. Just say I love it. Come on in. We're having a conversation are a lot of time. So all right, we will see you next week. Way might

spk_0:   1:29:22
have to work honestly were open to doing a two part because TBD we all know Episode six is a big one. Either way, we will be back next week