NYC Town Hall Event with Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Allie met PWB! Allie met PWB! Chrissie and Allie flew up to New York last-minute to attend Phoebe Waller-Bridge's event at the Town Hall in New York, and they've got a full report of the onstage conversation--along with the gripping tale of Allie's brief post-show encounter with PWB, courtesy of New York City traffic.

Transcript

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this episode of the fleet back situation is brought to you

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by New York City traffic. All you ever hear

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are the bad things about New York City traffic. But when one

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of your favorite celebrities is trying to sneak away from the town Hall Theatre and you want her car to be stopped so you can maybe go up and say hi to her, who's there for you? That's right. New York City traffic. So she

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tried to sneak out the side way while everyone was waiting at the stage door.

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But we all

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know she's not getting very far in New York City traffic.

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Now you have your chance to run up to her window, blurt out something about your podcast, panic and run away. Thanks. New York City traffic. Father, we have a cupcake situation, Mom, I will be there to Cupcake.

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Where am I? I don't even know what's going on. It's been so I feel Rusty Alley too. Yeah, well, hi. I'm Christy Moore.

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Hi, I'm Alan. Code Goran. And this is the

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fleet back situation. We were off for a couple weeks.

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We remember to do that part that we remember to do that

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remembered, actually say who the hell we are and what what? This is s So we

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took a couple weeks

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off because we finished Episode six. Yeah, Single tear. And, um, how

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was your Thanksgiving? Was a lovely Yeah. So we were in New

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York first together. He didn't do that. Which that's what this whole episode is about, is we went up to go see Phoebe Waller Bridge, do her Q and A at the Town Hall Theatre. And we talked about that last time where we that was a very spur of the moment idea. Yes. And then you went on to Philly after? Yes, right.

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So I took the train to Philly. Super easy. I didn't have to go back to Atlanta the next day and plan Thanksgiving for my father and family. Like I did like you did. I was saying the turnaround

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was so fast flying up to New York that literally when I landed and turn my phone back on, I had an email telling me it was time to check in for my return flight. So I was like, Wow, I'm really Jet center. Not looking you? Yeah. So we went in. I What was funny, too, is the woman next to me was reading. So the woman who did the panel, the moderator, was writer named Taffy Broad Esther ACN ER, which she even says on Twitter like, If you make fun of my name like that's on you don't think he said something perfect. Yeah, and because she's a great writer. And But she wrote a book called Fleischman Is in Trouble, which is this novel that has been on all these best of list for the Air and the Wood. There was a woman next to me reading it and keep in mind it's like 8 a.m. On Sunday, so I'm like, not fully awake. But she's reading this book and I just had a sudden, like thought where I was like, Oh, she probably because it was kind of early in the book and I'm like Maybe she heard about her and she's reading the book before she goes to whatever. So yeah, because I'm a really cool person. I turned him like,

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Are you going to say I'm sorry to

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interrupt? I saw your book, which what a nerd like,

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That's what you want on a plane you're not only do you wan't interrupt you read it, right? Not only do you want the person

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next to you to talk to you,

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you want them interrupt

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you to ask you. But I was like, Are you going to New York to see Phoebe? Well,

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should she? Luckily didn't go. What the fuck? Just surprised. She just was like, No, that sounds great. Yeah, I said, Oh, don't Do you watch Leave. Baggage goes. Oh, yeah. What is it?

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I was telling you about it. And so

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she was like, Oh, that sounds really cool. I wish I had known about it. And then, of course I'm like, Do you want a sticker? Such a dork stick house? Who gives podcast

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Tiggers too. So So welcome to our show, lady. I said next year on the plane. I'm sure you were tuning in right away anyway, so yeah,

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so we went up.

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So we're gonna nerd out and talk about that whole deal. Oh, yeah, the whole trip. But the best part before we got to the Q and A is we met up with a bunch of other

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fleet back. It was fabulous. Nice.

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So Jenn Adams on the official group had kind of put out a call like any New York based people or anybody who's teabag signal. Yes, exactly in the sky make it work and a guinea pig and so it

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can take in the Silla. But actually, it's probably the fox

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with the years more like a bat. Yeah. Alright, TBD. Yeah, we'll get back to you

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on that. Work on some prototype. Yeah, So she had suggested

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this was a great suggestion. The blue bar at the Algonquin Hotel. His story, great literature and history of dorky Dorothy Parker. And so she was like, We'll raise a glass to Phoebe and Dorothy Parker and all these people. So once we heard that was happening, So we decided to meet up with them. And then we

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met a bunch of people

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who, like our friend Mimi in who I only knew through the group and then

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that for a Internet friends meeting. I've never met Internet friends before our meeting I Earl. And it was funny because I felt like

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I was like, getting there like a blind date,

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you know, because and generally they know us and we don't know Well, Jen is like, but even that generals like, how will I

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know who anybody is? Because not every Facebook pictures them. And so I just was like, Well, I'll be a nerd wearing a fleabag sticker

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first I said, I'll just look for

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the smartest people in the room. Really? So I was sitting there like, you know, we got there early and I was like a flea bag stick around like a little geek. But anyway,

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so everyone would

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walk in that would kind of look around and they'd be like, Oh, because we sat kind of near the front that is near the front. And they were like, Oh, you know, do the table

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while meeting

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a group and they were like

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Sleeve, you know what's funny? People coming in being an US us being like, Are you here for that? Maybe like Kristie Alley and I was like, Oh, hi, It was really fun. And so we saw Jeff

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and Caitlin and Rachel and said Nina and Jeff was wearing a Hillary's cafe shirt. I recognized him as soon as he came

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in. Yeah, we knew who he was, what? He was coming to his instagram. He had

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posted Instagram picture, I think Hollows to Yeah. So, um

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yeah, we like

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in a couple of i g aunties, and it was really fun. So and it was right on the more dirt we put some flatbread. Don't think there were any question. I think there was a court yet. I know. We should have specifically looked for that way. Didn't actually lime we next. We didn't pay for them, Way did. We didn't steal the way I did do that. That would been very pocket those. Yes, but then yeah. So then we all walked over to the Q and A together. So

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it was just great was what a gift this community has been. It was just so special. You know what? Because you immediately just have

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something really in common with all these.

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Yeah, Like what? We just were all chatting. It was totally normal, is wonderful.

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And you could just say random things about, like, Andrew Scott's hair and everything. Like, yes, two minutes on the

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total support system. Instead

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of being, like again, really

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with Maybe you should make a podcast. Yeah. Why don't you talk to some other people

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about that? We got a bunch of stuff to catch up on. We've been gone. Yes. So Phoebe apparently is back in London now. She was on BBC radio. Morning. Phyllis, Have you listened to it? Listen, Tonto, but we'll post that if somebody hasn't already. And

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yeah, I think she was. She said in the Q and A because they asked what somebody asked where her Emmy swerved, right? And she was like, my mom has, um because I haven't been back to London since Emmys. So, girl, it's just fire running around. So I imagine that will be nice to be back in London.

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Yeah. For holidays holiday and and then her conversation. Uh, the London conversation about the scriptures is this Sunday. The AIDS? Yes, at the Southbank Centre with Deborah Frances White. I loved that one, and it's sold out, but I don't know what the resale situation is in. Yeah,

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so, uh, I do know apparently StubHub is not cool. Way did learn. We learned that

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from the old Vic box office who almost gave me a heart attack when they noticed my ticket was from stuff of America anyway. But if

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you're lucky, maybe London traffic will be Actually, it's terrible's New York traffic, so we'll go into

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the whole story. A lot of you saw it on Instagram and on Facebook. But would we get to the end of the Q and A will talk about our whole in alleys and calendar with Peter Army. Like the encounter? Yes, Capital T Capital E, which happened courtesy of New York City trafficking because thank you. Her car couldn't heading nowhere to go, Which doesn't sound stock ary adult.

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No, no, it was not relating to cost her. She was a cover line was fine. Come on. Hey, it was square. Nothing bad happens in Times Square. E think Shady ever happens in time, I think the sketchy a drunk Elmo walking by she's got She's got bigger

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things to worry about. Yes, exactly. Then the NT live screening of present laughter started Itwas to that really weird president laughter of present laughter with andr. Scott is now in theaters in the UK in Canada, and it's coming to the U. S. In January. We're

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waiting. You wait. I'm going to say this again. Any previews

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or clips you see of it make it look really weird and bad I think it's because the show really depends on, like the energy that builds up over the course of it. And when you see a scene out of context, it looks really weird. And also part of his character is that he over acts. And so a couple of the clips you're like

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who doesn't? Well, nuts. He is really going over the top. But it's intentional. Cool. So just I'm pumped and he just wears those outfits very nicely. I have No,

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I mean the costumes there. I saw that in the trailer. Also in it is Indira Varma from Game of Thrones. Who was the lady from Marine?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. Anyway, So she's an and, um, Emma Thompson sister. Oh yeah, All right. So star studded. Yeah,

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but anyway, it's great. And then also the premiere of 1917 was tonight in London. Yes, which, if you haven't heard about that one, that is Sam Mendy's new work, World War Drama. And what's cool about it is apparently, it's shot toe look like like it's made to look like it's one single camera shop, which is kind of weird. That was nuts. And Andrew Scott is in. He's in it. That's why

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it's also just be epic. But it's all supposed to be amazing. Under

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Scott is element. So that was tonight and there was video of him, like meeting Prince Charles and stuff, which is really cool, man. Yeah.

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Um, now, now presenting alleys list of the lists to get a list on a list of things. Yes, fleabag is making tons of best of 2019 TV lists, which no, I loved here. Yeah, it is least Lovett's, obviously, but it is kind of its very validating cause. Like over Thanksgiving.

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Every you know, it was super fund trying explain. Flee back to all my elderly

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cousins. But it was also people being I had a couple of friends that were like, Really, they were supportive, but they were like, So just I'm curious. Do you think like other shows also have like these? Because I was like, you know, it's fine. There's like a Facebook group of like more than 10,000 people on both blond people. It's like a cult people really into it like this is normal. I'm I'm normal and ascribe note is a cult. No. Is that not you know we don't like that, but my friends were like, Well, like, what do you think? You know what isn't there? Are there other shows, like People are like obsessed with, like deadwood? Like You think there's like, a bit like 15,000 people on Facebook Group, for that was like, We'll probably yes, fine. But it is nice, that fleabag killing it right on the lists, More coke. Then I could be like, No, suck it well And then what was also amazing, apparently, but did what is very

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good. I haven't finished yet, but it's very good fleabag. Well, no. And because the anytime there's press like that, it'll prompt more people to watch it. So I'm hoping that you know anybody who hasn't seen it yet. We get so many, like people who joined the Facebook group like email and like, Oh, my God, yeah, I finally got to it and it's amazing. And so, like, I know

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I got to tow actually got to text separate text messages this week of people friends that were like, felt like I had to tell you I stayed up till when I am finishing fleabag, and I totally get it. It is a masterpiece. And I was like, I knew we couldn't stay for I know. Exactly. But anyway, back to the live. Yeah, I know. Among many. Among men. Yes, these air. This is what we found in, like, a two minute search. But slates TV critic Willa Paskin crowned fleabag the top show of 2019 which I found out of it because my dad emailed to me, which was pretty cute. Anyway, USA Today also named Flee Back The Best Show between 19 as did Indiewire and TV Guide and The New York Times also included fleabag on its list of the top 10 shows of 2019. They refuse to number them, but I will quote my favorite show of 2019 was better things, except on the days it was flea bag. So I will take that better things that's supposed to be. I did hear that is William. Yeah, um, Fleabag was number six on vultures list. However, the author did add something that I loved. They said it hurtled through its plot so confidently that the whole thing felt like the product of a creative self dare. How perfect can I make this? No, Um, when they see us really was number one or number two

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through four. I'm sure you can Internet. Exactly.

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And lastly, what I think is very impressive school is Fleet. I was named the top show of 2019 on rotten Tomatoes with a one

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100% fresh rating, which is very unusual, especially for women centric show, because rotten tomatoes reviewers have been known to lean male and shamanistic, right and shitty. Yes, they will sometimes like sabotage reviews of movies like Thing that Happened with Captain Marvel or something

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and Oceans, Oceans, no maybes, the Ghostbusters, whatever. Any women I know who it was, but it was. It was sort of like intentional. It was boring it down. And that's shitty. But in I went down with this, Yes, um, that, to

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me is legit. Yes, and then more awards ago. Economic Golden Globe nominations come out Tuesday, the Ninth Super Soon and Gold Derby, which is like the big awards predictor coverage site. They're already even predicting winds for feeding for Andrew Scott, which we talked about before. I think he's a little are either win it and then for show for comedy musical Siri's. But they said the one thing it would be the first time in a decade that best comedy series went to a non first season show because the Golden Globes, like I said, loves to be the out wire and they love to look surprised You can't get up. And so, like, I think Brooklyn 99 got it on its first season. And then what was the other one they mentioned? It was kind of like the mazel got on the season for the Emmys. Really recognized? Mazel. So like they like to be the the Undercover like yeah, yeah, but they said this is the only chance they'll have to honor Fleabag So and it's British and they're the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. So true, the money's on them, giving it the win good. And then Olivia Colman is like all the experts pick for for TV drama actress with a crown. I mean, which have you watched them? No,

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I still have a few episodes of the most recent season and I are not of

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the season before this. Yeah, I just need to feel like I just need to plow through Well, so fair warning I should just skip

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No, don't get it. It's It's great and no Skip the This is the episode In seasons before that, I would finish those. Yeah, Anyway, they're good, careful. And I guess she and that's that's

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the thing. They're so yeah, um but, no, there's an episode like there was one night where I was, like, right before bed. I'm like,

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I'm going to just

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watch a frothy episode of the Crown Royal Drama and gossip left just something fluffy about Princess Margaret, you know, having sex on the beach or whatever, But what it was instead was this episode about a horrible tragedy called Abby Van that I had never heard of and most people I think in America, had not never heard of. And I'm like watching this opening scene in the school might

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know what's gonna happen to you. Oh, my God. Like it's so sudden. I was like, depressed, going

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to bed at like and of course, like looking up with this event was, and I'm just like,

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holy shit, this is like the worst thing possible. Be like being like, You know what? I'm gonna go to bed, but first let me watch this episode about Columbine. Let me just let me just say that it left. Yeah, I just

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watch this 9 11 thing That's gonna happen. So anyway, but it's a very good episode. That's interesting about the whole season is that Olivia Colman is fantastic. Obviously,

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it's really a lot about Prince Philip, like some people been kind

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of critical. I guess that, like heavy on the fella I've been pushing you like there's not enough of her that she's too understated, even though I think that

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it wasn't that right, like the character, right? And there's actually end

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of Aber Van What's incredible. And I just read an article about it because there's a single not, I don't know if it's a spoiler, but there's like a shot of her, like, literally generating like a single tear down her cheek, and it's like a close up. I mean, it is like just her face on screen, and then you see her. I start to well up, and they said that she did that like six times in a row and then would even like time it like, like knew exactly when the tear had to come down, get the fuck they said it was insane. She's an actual, clean, pretty, incredible actress I am. So anybody who says she's too understated is not is missing the point entirely. So I would love to see her win. Yes,

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and also, when she won her Oscar she was super drunk on the Golden Globes is all about. Isn't that the way we lose him up? Big

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tying it really, really e. So those air on Sunday, January 5th, host of every creature vase, which he says is for the last time. Yeah, there's mixed views on him. Yeah, but well, like we did for the Emmys will have a live comment thread open on Facebook and our Facebook groups to join it. Now, if you haven't yet, it's just searched the fleabag situation.

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Superfund don't. They're super fun, but it is. There's the tea bag situation. Super fun, fun we're gonna rename Done. It's also now an anime, not just for some reason, and I, for one, I'm really looking forward to seeing what PWG wears. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't top the dress was what did you just want I would be happy with that. Just brought her and a guy like, Oh, but not to just bring all my awards and sign up when I like a katamari. Just like collectible. No, I feel like they'd be like a top her. I feel like they'd be like a top her Christmas tree. Maybe, just like ornaments the trees, like bending over the radio. I would have to be pretty, Uh, anyway, so we will do

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a Golden Gloves recap and then, um, in January, we're also going to get upset about the Scriptures. At least one we might have to break him into the two seasons

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yet probably given how many notes I've been taking it. I'm like, Well, here's an episode for because we have

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so many copies as we've talked about, I have given away some, um, which we're going to get to Also, we did a giveaway, but I literally like waiting for a moment. I'm gonna take one of my copies and, like, highlight stuff.

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What are you gonna Yeah, Having girl time?

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Yeah, and I just really, because I don't want to just skim it. I want Alexis. Is the media experience savour it? And so basically, like I'm off a certain point where the day care is still

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open on article. Still cool. And that's basically like, drop him off. Go pick up some breakfast, go pick up some new highlighters, gets very binder and get my carol at the library. I study carrel. No. And it was like you're Carol, Remember? Do you? I called him the Stacks, and I don't know what, but it's like a cubicle in the

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library. OK? I thought was a study carrel. It sounds right. Anyway, I'm just gonna curl up on the couch and just really focus. And then so we'll be doing that. But yes, I mentioned or give away.

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So the U. S. Publisher of Scriptures Random House reached out to us and sent us free copy advance copies of Scriptures. And we're very excited. And so we decided to do a giveaway.

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We've accidentally gotten, like, a dozen books, right?

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So we held a giveaway on our Facebook page, Another Facebook group. Another reason to be part of that, um and we are excited, too. And now I mean, we don't they? No way. It's been announced they've been shipped. But like, let's announce it again. So are so Jen want a copy of the U. S edition of the Scriptures and Angie, One fleabag situation mugs. So we had some mugs made because

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I was getting those little stickers made. And then Mr Print is like,

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Hey, here's 50 other

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things. You could put this on.

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Give us your money.

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Including the yard sign, which I thought was really funny. Really tempted Thio next year, like during the

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election already suspect Fleabag River, the candidate not lead back

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2020. Could be worse. Then I saw the money. You know what? Let's get some. So congratulations to Jen and Angie and and thank you to everybody who entered. And then the last thing is, we on the instagram account just to celebrate December are doing the 25 days of flea bag, which is basically just taking, like, favorite screenshots and moments and just doing one every day and posting it

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so brighten so morning with their little advent calendar. Yes, I sleep back. Advent calendar on

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instagram. So follow us there at a fleabag situation Podcast. Yes. Okay, so I think we're caught up. Yeah, fleabag news and assorted a kodama.

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Thank you. I don't know. Let's take

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a break and we'll come back and we will break down the town hall. Q and A.

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review too. Okay, Wait. Ready for the Sally Lego. So So disclosure. We're

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back. We're back. Hello. Hi, everybody. So the tower whole Q

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and A. The tower hole was a great little theater. I've never been there before when I felt a Broadway, Broadway,

spk_1:   22:31
Broadway, it seats like, what, 1500? I think it said, What's it felt? Small E. It was like, no more. Yeah, that seems

spk_0:   22:41
about right. 1500 I think about the website said. And yeah, and even just walking in and see, like, the two chairs on the stage,

spk_1:   22:47
you know, she's gonna be so excited about an empty chair. Yeah, and then I suddenly was like it was my arm, my contact prescription. Good enough Like her. I wish I'd brought binoculars like, and it started

spk_0:   23:00
late, which was kind of a bummer.

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Yeah, but it was also a little short. I know. I was hoping I was like, 90 minutes. That is solid. Yeah, I nd minutes. But it was, like exactly an hour, baby, are any bit less? What I enjoyed also is that of speaking of, like seeing them I found myself in cause I I got a pretty good seat because he's got a solo ticket. When I was my maiden bought it. Yeah, so I was like, I was, like, five rows up, whatever, but, um, but I was, like, in her sight line, and it just felt like she was talking to me directly. Time little, you know, she would be late. I know, I know. Yeah. And the new of boiler. It was a pretty small

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theater. Where I don't think it was like a bad seat. No, no, no. I think you and I I was on the site. She was not in my sight. I was not in her sight line, all right? I was in taxis sightline, but I will say when she came out, she really is like, electric and radiant.

spk_1:   23:55
She's just a presence. She's all the things she's home. She's like superstar pop stars. So cute.

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I mean, just look great. Yeah, it was just like there was just energy in the room

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is fabulous. And also again

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fun to be around your people. Yes. And, you know, a lot of single lady.

spk_1:   24:11
I mean, it was there were some men. There were some madam straight

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men. I may be a few.

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Just a few. Most of them are probably There was actually a couple. There was a couple. I were sitting next to me and the guy was like, into it. Okay, I was interested in He was like an older man. I was like, All right. It was very late range iwas But the woman next to me was Well, it was two women, and she was

spk_0:   24:33
very nice. So we had you brought some stickers in a

spk_1:   24:37
bad situation stick our little rogue marketing operation because I just thought like we're just spreading the good word I happened because it's like, these are people who are interested in clean. They want here. Total Rando does talk about it for five hours at a time. Yeah, No, right. That's what people write for whatever reason. So I just basically

spk_0:   24:59
was like, If I happen to have an organic conversation with somebody like we'll see for

spk_1:   25:03
a second. I think if I haven't haven't organised on make a painted like guess what? Wait. Side note. I'm so glad you said that. I got a bass right now what I was doing Quality shopping on cyber Monday. And there is, I think it's like the garam promise. A really cute website. They there is a killer is called Like, probably know there's like a It's like a love making art and it's It's Oh my God, I've been descended You I think I'd like an uncertain text you. It's like this. You lay out a canvas on the floor and then be like, there's paint and do you have sex on the directions to like a sex on? It makes an orgasm painting. You could own that. You can put it on your wall. Then what people company go? Who painted that? Oh my God. So for that, I'm looking for that special my husband's take a painting. Now you can check thing taint on a public public recording check office with your list where do we get out of this? Oh, it was averaging about you by the grommet. Wow, that really is a gift that took a chair. Shouldn't be given. I don't

spk_0:   26:36
remember where we

spk_1:   26:37
so Okay, So organic. Organic. Oh, saying conversation.

spk_0:   26:43
If I hadn't organic conversation with somebody who That I would give them a sticker. Anyway, Um, did you miss us? Yes, exactly. Anyway, this so I struck up a conversation with the woman next to me, giggly. Anyway, it was very There were a couple people I talked to. There were also a couple people who were, like, stone cold like Now get the hell out of my face. I live in New York. Who are you?

spk_1:   27:12
Different. So anyway, before, like a few days

spk_0:   27:15
before the Q and a taffy had posted on Twitter asking for fan questions and

spk_1:   27:20
old boy did we delivers. And I realized later

spk_0:   27:25
I was like, we really just assaulted her dinner. Tina Dam. In retrospect, I was like, OK, I've become that fame.

spk_1:   27:33
She asked for it that instead of just like because I basically was like, I've reached the

spk_0:   27:39
event horizon of sand. Um, we're like I'm so deep in the black hole that I can't remember what it's like to just be a casual fan can be a normal person. Yes, So

spk_1:   27:49
instead of

spk_0:   27:49
asking a normal question like,

spk_1:   27:50
Hey, where did the name flea bag

spk_0:   27:52
come from? Or something like that?

spk_1:   27:53
Well, we know the answer to that. We know the answer that you asked. So I'm now

spk_0:   27:57
the person who, at comic con comes up in his like

spk_1:   28:00
an Episode eight of Season two. When you first walked into the rim, you used your left foot to enter the room. Did that mean something? That's where I'm at now. Yeah, no, that's true. It's like a joke, but it's also extremely accurate and, like 1400

spk_0:   28:14
97 people in that room.

spk_1:   28:15
Don't give a shit about that. It's just you, me and

spk_0:   28:19
well, the six of us who were seven of us, who are at the end

spk_1:   28:23
so later because what was funny is

spk_0:   28:26
I literally just hit over like I sent, like, six in a row and then the lead and like, no response. And then I said, last one and I wrote one that she liked,

spk_1:   28:34
that I think she was like Thank God, this is the fucking did it. But one of our questions did make it end, and

spk_0:   28:42
we will get to that later. So there's a tease. Yes. And we're also because we may or may not have recorded it secretly there. Is it? Multiple people did. Well,

spk_1:   28:55
I have a rule follower. Just like she's afraid. The town hall, like police force is gonna go back to be mad at us. No. So giving them a lot of

spk_0:   29:08
free. Were we actually in preparation for this podcast? Transcribed the event? You're welcome. Yeah. So we're going to post that

spk_1:   29:16
on, and I will. Post is to the Facebook group, but I promised about this eventually. It's been like an hour. Vanity Fair did a great recap, actually, is quick, but it was good. Yeah. Um and actually, we'll get to that. There's more to come. Um, having posted a good recap. And actually, this one woman took a lot of videos and he did that. I know that made me feel that you're still alive. We think we don't know. You cannot say with any certainty. Anyway. That's what they do. They kill you, they come and they just you. So there's a Huffington Post recap

spk_0:   29:54
with some videos. If you want to see

spk_1:   29:55
it, see it. It's great. And, uh, yeah, I'll post those. And I guess we should do the thing that we were supposed to dio on taffy.

spk_0:   30:04
Overall, I thought did a good job. Yes, she was understandably nervous, I think. And she even had said on Twitter. Like

spk_1:   30:11
what? Oh, even when

spk_0:   30:13
her infirm of Tony people

spk_1:   30:14
And when she walked out, she was like, I think she said something. She said something about like, Oh my God, you're Yeah, Look at all of you or something, right? Also, you know, not to have a conversation with, like, Phoebe Waller. British TV Waller bread. Pretty breathing. So? So she started

spk_0:   30:30
asking her about religion? Yes, and asked, Were you Catholic? Yes. And, um, Phoebe is like,

spk_1:   30:35
No. And I remain not. Yes, Like, let me just clarify she She said that she went to a Catholic secondary school because it was nearby. Yeah, not for any other reason. And she said

spk_0:   30:47
that her mom worked in the as an administrator at the I

spk_1:   30:50
think that was separate. A different world. Yeah, but, um, she said she was like, I remember walking through the corridors and seeing all the crucifixes

spk_0:   30:58
and being like that is intense between maths and friends.

spk_1:   31:02
Yeah, I know. And so I when I heard that I was like, Can you imagine? Like the misery and repression of a British Catholic school, like they're like, It's like the stiff upper lip thing and the Catholics, right? But then she what was great is that she said, because she said you had to be slightly miserable, unapologetic all the time, and she liked to the repressive energy. But then she said, it bred these

spk_0:   31:25
really rebellious students, which is like, really helping in the end, which I just dug, I like, Yeah, I like

spk_1:   31:31
that human nature. It'll get you. It'll get there no matter what. Yeah, I don't know why. That

spk_0:   31:36
just made me think of, like, tumble be mischievous or something, because my mom's chaperoned our eighth grade trip to Washington, D. C. I want your mom to be shop around. Well, it's fine. And, uh, because I it was like, my first time traveling. That was probably happy, frankly. But she and we had this ruling on boring bus like we're on a like a tour bus. Yeah, and he was so boring. And we stopped at a He's like, Well, like

spk_1:   32:03
we want to stop in a souvenir

spk_0:   32:04
store or something and he goes, all right, don't buy any matches, don't buy any knives. Don't buy any gum like he's going through all these things we can't buy. Well, the one thing he did not mention was will be cushions. Oh, my. So everybody bought will be cushions. And the whole polarize known for this woman has been souvenirs for the d. C. Will be cushion. And it probably said, like, D c higher. Something like that. But we So the whole rest the right he'd be like, we're coming up on the Jefferson like everybody was like doing My mom thought it was.

spk_1:   32:36
So this'll like one of those moments where I like like Mom was cool. Have a mom. Well, because she

spk_0:   32:42
basically was like, it was totally harmless. And he was being such a pill about, like, all the things you couldn't get that probably would never even have fought too

spk_1:   32:49
good for you guys.

spk_0:   32:50
Yeah. So she's like you found the one thing you found the loophole and it was funny. That's so that which she mentioned her mom being very encouraging, yes, of like saying that, uh, basically because act like an angel first term, and then you can do whatever the fuck.

spk_1:   33:07
Yes, it was great. And she was like like, where did she say? Because do you have any religion at home? Also said, He said, In order to be able to be mischievous,

spk_0:   33:16
you have to look like you're playing the rules, right?

spk_1:   33:19
I like Ah, yeah, wisdom. Well, I'm going back to

spk_0:   33:22
when she was talking about walking through the corridors and seeing all the crucifixes that reminded me of the opening scene of Episode two of Season two. And she's looking around the church and like looking at the crucifixes and then all the paintings. And I feel like that might also explain why she had specific paintings in mind.

spk_1:   33:36
Because when we talk to Jonathan, the production design that he said

spk_0:   33:39
she knew what she wanted on the walls. Yeah, so she definitely had a knowledge of Catholicism. Yeah, for sure. And then she said she played So she said, You have a religion at home and she said. Not really with her parents, her grandmother? Some, yeah, but that her mom worked in the Vickery Jazz, an administrator, so they would go to church, but that she played drums in the church van

spk_1:   34:01
and she she was like Kun, my eyes actually very complicated. And I got I would love to watch a

spk_0:   34:07
video of Baby Phoebe Flake focusing really hard, playing Kumbaya really hard and I thought was interesting. She said that that she was aware of the church but didn't feel like it owned her, so she had time to see it from that different perspective. Yes, so I

spk_1:   34:23
think you

spk_0:   34:24
can see how out of it came out in the show. And then Taffy was asking if she was a good student. And that's when she was saying that her mom, because she said she liked school or she was good at certain elements of it. But really like social stuff. Yeah,

spk_1:   34:36
yeah, she said. She said her mom said that the riel classroom is in the real educated. The real educations in

spk_0:   34:43
the lunch room did I botched that. Real education happens in the lunch break. Yes, yes, that's her story's got told people make connections. Yes.

spk_1:   34:52
And she's so and she And she said she told me that too early, but like she's so emotionally intelligent. Some good fucking advice. Theresa Waller Bridge from Got her started Young being like the fact that

spk_0:   35:06
her daughter, like her other daughter, is like a brilliant physician. I mean, it was obviously a very encouraging home. Yes, yes. And creative. Yeah. And then Taffy was asking about, like, as a kid. Were you kind of trying to express yourself, like, tortured before people started listening to you because she said that I think taffy profiles a lot of celebrities. Yeah, sure. Tom.

spk_1:   35:26
Hey, Tom Hanks

spk_0:   35:27
for well, she did is awesome. I need toe. Yeah, because it's a great example of were, like, she injects herself into the story, but not but in a very just described that way at the cafe, she did not mention what he was drinking or whatever, but it's a key component of the story of what she was going through when she interviewed

spk_1:   35:44
him. And

spk_0:   35:45
just and then it reveals something about him. So wonderful conclude that in the list of links it is it will be Yeah, But anyway, she was saying that when a lot of people she talks to you, she hears that, like before they hit the big time, they went to this misery of, like, trying to be heard and trying to express themselves. And then, you know, finally, something works. Yeah, but she said, Yeah,

spk_1:   36:06
yeah, she was like, Yes. And, uh, yes, that's that's that's what it was and kind of

spk_0:   36:11
went back to that idea of, like, You have to look like you're playing by the rules in order to be mischievous because I like when she said that, you know, in first term she really did, like, try to be an angel. And she's like, I got my little Sachin My little bad You're so cute. But then she was. I was a terror behind the scenes and they'd be like, it couldn't possibly be thinking. That's the trick. Yeah, and that, you know, she's looking forward. If you look like you're playing by the rules, you can secretly fuck up behind the scenes.

spk_1:   36:36
Which is hard, though. That's a hard balance, like that guy. That kind of reveals

spk_0:   36:40
to me like she's masterful at people because you need to just be ableto like anticipate and handle people. And clearly yes, you can. What I felt like that. Blind, too, is a perfect encapsulation of her writing style because it looks like she's following a standard structure. But then it will be unpredictable and not what you think. It is not what you think it is, and it takes a twist you wouldn't expect and then also hits you with an emotion you weren't ready for because she had just come off a joke. Yeah, so and just technically, she's so strong that she could then, like she knows the rules so she can break them. Yes, So then she kind of went into talking about, like, the torture or going through that creative expression that in her twenties, she just really struggled. She's talked about this before? Yes, of she said, like finding my place is a woman and as a nuclear power, what's my Yeah, right. Like who I am physically and and that she was just kind of filling all this rage. Then she was luckily, that kind of came out his jokes instead of like, beating people

spk_1:   37:40
up. Yeah, make a play. Yeah, like that would be

spk_0:   37:43
better than a very blunt and that that fleabag was just that expression. And she looked just went of like that. Like Raul. Yeah, inner rage that she was feeling.

spk_1:   37:53
I did, and I like. She was like, You know, hopefully I'll play by the rules. I'll make a one woman show like ha ha, I'm being funny and cute But then it's like so much more than that in Yeah, the guinea pig dies a portal. Yeah, exactly. So then

spk_0:   38:09
Taffy asked about the period of time, like when she was trying to get a job and felt frustrated what she was being offered and that basically, what led her to write fleabag do her own thing. And I like this line where she said that she's like I left drama school. Everyone's like You're gonna be fine. You've got long brown hair, which the audience kind of laughed with the irony of that, because now she's known for this short hair.

spk_1:   38:29
But hair is everything like the first thing she remembers people saying, When you like, you'll be fine. You'll get jobs because it was her hair, which in turn out not to be true. I she was like nobody would hire her. Yeah, and then he chopped it off.

spk_0:   38:42
Or Anthony did. Maybe somebody, whoever became Anthony Well, and I like this where she talked about that and I don't know, she was alluding that it was like self sabotage. What she would do these, like out there characters that weren't the standard in drama school in dramas going to showcases for agents. And she said she would do like this granny who wore a grey wig or like this, like, sullen teenager and that shows her teachers were like, You're not gonna get agent like that, just

spk_1:   39:08
like they were right. I didn't Hey, but this

spk_0:   39:11
is what struck me because she goes. Sometimes it's easier taking the risk and being like, Well, they didn't like that kind of work versus doing a little Shakespeare and them being like, Well, we don't want you now either. And just I feel like the lesson from that was like, take the big risks because then if you fail, you can kind of just like

spk_1:   39:29
like, well, it's a big risk big desk and like point to

spk_0:   39:31
the scale of the risk versus, like your own involvement and

spk_1:   39:34
yeah, and it's not just like, Oh, you tried the normal thing and

spk_0:   39:37
you failed. So you failed up the normal thing, right? And it's sending anybody Probably yes, exactly. Yeah, whereas if you take a bigger risk and you're kind of eliminating that risk of failure in your eyes, you can like it's different. There's a scapegoat for the

spk_1:   39:50
figure, but also taking a bigger risk. Ally want me? They're not ready for this. But that's also

spk_0:   39:54
what might make you succeed. Like the risk might be the thing that actually works. All these guys I know, right, like we know. Yeah, and she's talked about this before. We're in like you had talked about this. We talk about the book, the play of how like nothing was happening. So I kind of had to make her own work.

spk_1:   40:12
She's she Really? She said the best thing ever happened. I realized you gotta hustle and that's what I think. I mean, what's the what is it? Um, some. What's the mother of invention? Necessity. Necessity? Thank you. Necessity is the mother of invention, like there's nothing you have to fill your time.

spk_0:   40:30
She had to work. She created her own thing. And I love

spk_1:   40:32
that what I thought was close. Like she started hustling. You're talking about finding

spk_0:   40:36
Vicky Jones, who was so receptive to her, and they

spk_1:   40:38
she changed her life and gave her a chance. And, you know, people are all we've got. Member. But it's all who you know as always, which is, like, kind of annoying a lot, but like whatever. But I just thought that was kind of ah, you know, good statement. Well, and she's

spk_0:   40:54
told, told this story before of how she was talking about these these pub nights that they would do, she said. That was kind of the way to get started as an actor with the shorts nights playing 11 30 at night. No one's there. And she was like Everybody was like, competing for these spots and that her boyfriend at the time had one. And she goes, he would like performing 11 30 for nine people and I was so jealous, but that his director was Vicky Joan. And so she saw her at the bar and went up and talked to her. And she said, basically like nicking my boyfriend's director and had just said like

spk_1:   41:26
I want to be an

spk_0:   41:26
actress and I want to be in anything. I'll do anything and that most people, because you hear about, like, all this rejection and and like mean spiritedness in the business so hard. And she said that she turned. She's

spk_1:   41:38
like, You want to be an actress? That's a A But it really is a unique thing to say from a director. These actors like all the time. That's where it's kind of, you know, the deal with that. This is where it's kind of like the kismet, because Phoebe had

spk_0:   41:51
the gumption to look open, say something to her, and it happened to be to a receptive audience. And they really kind of just found each other and then said how she did bring her on to her next job. And they got fired. Well,

spk_1:   42:03
yeah, Vicky got you got about. Yeah, I like Taffy is

spk_0:   42:06
like, Was it your fault?

spk_1:   42:08
It was complicated to take another half, which, frankly, I would have welcomed. I know that's the 90 minutes that we didn't get. Couldn't hit that in the next half hour,

spk_0:   42:17
and that's when they went. They went out. Oh, then Phoebe quit when she got fired. Ongoing protests. So they went for a drink in there, right? Well, what do we want to do? And that's when they decided to create dry right? Yes, which is their theatre company. Yeah, but then they took a different approach to writing.

spk_1:   42:31
Yes, which I love. So they like, created the short play nights. But it wasn't about the actors. Are the writers like trying to show their stuff? It was trying to. It was making work that got the audience excited. It's always she's always been audience focus, which I love. And that's why she's so masterful and manipulative with flea bag and with all her work, because she's thinking about us. I love that because it's she's even said things like a camera

spk_0:   43:00
puts her. Andrew Scott made some kind of like it's bad manners to just do a show that's boring,

spk_1:   43:05
like they came to see you came to see you. They've got a sitter.

spk_0:   43:10
It's bad manners. Not just about you, right? Like getting to stand up there and yell, Right? Look, it's bad manners not to entertain your audience. Funny, that's money. Well,

spk_1:   43:20
that's interest. Actually, things will get to this. But she does say that fleabag with the camera looking the camera. She's trying to entertain us,

spk_0:   43:28
right? She's like himself putting on the biggest little show, and you will get that. Andi. I also like when she was saying once they decided to do that, they because we found our own stinky little pub on the way because they asked him, like if we cleared out this floor, could we put on theatre shows? And they were like, Yeah, whatever

spk_1:   43:44
you like. Okay. And love, I could tell

spk_0:   43:47
you that. Yeah, and that they started inviting writers to put on shows

spk_1:   43:51
and his anonymous be anonymous. But sometimes

spk_0:   43:54
they get really famous writers because the new people through other channels and the or they got people who were writing for the very first time. But it didn't matter because it was just about the work. But I love this where she talked about how it would kind of be creative in some of the like, the way the audience participated. And so she said that the writers would get a brief and it would be something like make the audience fall in love with character in less than five minutes. Yeah, And so she said for that show, the audience all got heart shaped balloons and that when they fell over the character, they let the balloon go, which and the whole audience kind of

spk_1:   44:27
way very cute. And so she said,

spk_0:   44:30
You got this physical representation or moment where you could see that you're acting had worked with writing. It worked.

spk_1:   44:35
How cool is that? I thought, I don't want to. I want to go to something like that. Yeah, it's Ah, it's just It's more special. Always like immersive. Yeah, Heart of it. We used to go

spk_0:   44:44
to a show in Chicago called This group called The Neo Futurists was called Too Much Light makes the baby go blind. And it was 30 plays in 30 minutes. 30 plays in 60 minutes, I think. And they basically had a clothes line above the stage that had numbers one through 30 and the audience would just shout out the number. But then and so then they would grab it and then read the name of the play, and it would be like a short two minute thing. Two minutes or even less good 22nd play him. And then at the end, there was, like, Owen, that they sold out. They ordered pizza

spk_1:   45:16
because everybody, because they're only like, 60 people like

spk_0:   45:19
and then, um, it was above a funeral home. It was like this little tiny spot, and then at the end, there was like a giant guy, and the artist would roll the dice, roll the die, and then that would be how many new place they'd write for the next week.

spk_1:   45:31
Oh, my God, that's so funny. Way to, like, keep it interesting and always for the for the players. So when she talked

spk_0:   45:37
about this, it reminded me of that. And I just love that idea because she said they were just, like, scrappy and like, one getting paid. But they said we were accidentally getting this amazing training. Writing, Yes, but

spk_1:   45:48
I mean, they were also

spk_0:   45:49
smart to know to take this approach. Yeah, which is so different. And yeah, testing and focus on audiences. What was cool is, she said, in some ways, the Saharan desert of work of like getting no work was the best thing that ever happened because it led to them doing dry right and what I took away from that is when we're talking about Liz Gilbert yet another week and like creativity, we're like their times were you Look, you need empty space to know how to fill it or to discover the way to fill it. Yeah, and, um, I also listen to Conan's podcasts. I think I've mentioned before and he talks about. He's got a great story if you've ever. Here's another link for the list of links his speech at Harvard.

spk_1:   46:31
Oh, yeah, that that was a

spk_0:   46:32
long time ago, actually, even before he got like, the tonight showing all that stuff.

spk_1:   46:36
But that's timeless. Basic time are

spk_0:   46:38
all the times he's failed and like how it led to something better. And he's also talked about how like not getting the thing he thought he wanted most is what led to his success since, like he said, he applied to be a writer on Letterman back in the eighties, didn't get it, was devastated, thought his career was over. But after that he got hired at SNL, which is how he met Lauren Michaels, which is how he ended up taking over late night. So like

spk_1:   47:00
in that nuts, which probably would

spk_0:   47:02
have never happened if Letterman had hired, They wouldn't have been in that position. Right? Right. And so I I liked this idea of the thing you think is a disaster. You can actually turn into something really positive, right thing. The best thing?

spk_1:   47:14
Yeah. And also, it's like you need to be challenge. Things can't come easy,

spk_0:   47:18
because if there, then you're boring and you have nothing, right?

spk_1:   47:20
Life experience. And you have nothing to tell. No stories to share, right? Should ask to be a little hard. Yeah, and they took a chance. I mean, this thing could've flopped. Yeah, hugely. But

spk_0:   47:29
they you know, they made it work. Totally. So then Taffy was like, Well, as you were doing all this like, were you still auditioning or were you just like, No, I'm focused on this, and she's like, Oh, God, no. I would do anything

spk_1:   47:39
to feel like I'm not above a job. That's what I love

spk_0:   47:44
is just how it candid she was And, like, really? Yeah. And talked about how, like she got a friend of hers from Murata, like Castor and roll. It was just, like, really insane. Is this like transvestite prostitute with a beard, a

spk_1:   47:56
strap like they wrote the part. She said. There was a cast list and ended up. She was like, I don't want to play these

spk_0:   48:01
traditional female roles of like, I don't have an abortion or cry And he's like, All

spk_1:   48:06
right, all right, so then I like the bottom of this cast list. I'll print it up. Scrawled in pen is like her character's name. And then Phoebe. Well, like it was like Bob played by Phoebe. But I love that she just wanted to. It's acting weird and explorer, the humanity in the human condition in different stories. We'll also the

spk_0:   48:29
idea of like, I'm not just gonna fall into this traditional female yes, or that

spk_1:   48:34
she even allow that to happen like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she'll she didn't You know what? She didn't compromise in order to get an agent like she played the weird shit, right?

spk_0:   48:43
She's true to resign now the whole time. Yeah, And that her that seemed That director who was a friend of hers told her you have the gift of rage and that she goes when someone says something like that to you. Number one that feels true and secondly, that sounds cool. So I'm

spk_1:   48:56
just love that. And you know what? I feel like she talks a lot about female rage in general. I mean, that's sort of the genesis of fleabag, obviously. But I read this book last year called Good and Mad, the Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger, and it was really

spk_0:   49:12
titled This Is for you, Leland BitTorrent. Some

spk_1:   49:16
titled it Yes, written exclusively for Get Mad. No, but it was. It raised some interesting points. I reckon I'll put on the list of Ling, but it's like fleabag. Just one more thing in the list of like how women get shit done and like like the French Revolution. What was women protesting? Because they couldn't be their Children? Bread that wasn't like the women did that the women's march, You know, say what you like the me to movement, even like the low mill girls in like the Irish girls, Um, women walk out like that led to a bigger labor movement. Like women get some shit black lives. Matter was originally a female like movement, like women can get some shit done. Sure can read that book, feel inspired, but also like fleet. But also she's all another way of saying like Rage. I think we're in an age of female rule. We haven't really, really all of

spk_0:   50:12
history. We haven't been able to express it right. And what are the best ways to the most effective ways

spk_1:   50:16
to express it? Yeah, that's the That's the trouble, you know. Don't get hysterical. Don't kill my God want Alec. Can you just please calm down? Just don't home to take apart trying to sit down. Honey, won't you sit

spk_0:   50:30
down? I'll bring you some tea that will help you. This Lord,

spk_1:   50:33
what I like to when she talked

spk_0:   50:34
about. You know, he said, you have the gift of rage and she liked took that, that she and throughout she calls out moments where other people gave her advice about herself or about her work and lecture mentioned her. Brad, we're giving her advice, and I think part of reason she's so successful, creatively as she's clearly has such a respect. And Jonathan actually mentioned this that she has such a respect for other people's input and is open to feedback, collaboration, collaboration and we in season two. You see that in the character of Fleabag where the reason she starts healing is because she opens up to other people. Like that whole sting with Belinda's about advice from somebody

spk_1:   51:10
and to being able to take it.

spk_0:   51:11
She takes advice from her dad, you know, from the therapist, even counselor. And so I think it's it speaks to feed these nature that she is obviously just a very like, open, receptive person. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, but but still has her own identity. Yeah, but in which is tricky. Exactly. It was funny. She goes through all this about, like, fighting dry, right, and the taxis like and then there was fully back Sweetback. It was like it was a little bit of a

spk_1:   51:37
jump, but we're here for it. Let's go. Yeah, exactly. I thought you would get into a little

spk_0:   51:42
more detail of, like, taking fleabag

spk_1:   51:43
Edinburgh. Yes, but that was

spk_0:   51:45
when there was only an hour's. Apparently Vehbi had places to go. Yes. Have traffic to sit in. Yes, exactly. No sooner. Tappy said that, baby. She like, stop yourself, cause she was like,

spk_1:   51:58
I'm actually gonna skip talking wear like Wait a Oh, no. Okay, that because she goes, you know, we're going to

spk_0:   52:06
talk about it. But things have really changed for you. You're not a pub, you're in a Broadway theater. People were here who just want to hear you talk. And

spk_1:   52:12
I thought this was

spk_0:   52:13
a great question when she said, Now that you're so in demand, how do you protect your work from how famous you are and like, how do you make sure you're still you? Um And then she go, and that was just kind of quiet. And then she's like or do you change? And that's fine. I'll just answer them. I can't

spk_1:   52:27
stand, you know. But I was like, Oh,

spk_0:   52:29
taffy, I got feel way Although Phoebe was funny because she kind of stumbled over her words like,

spk_1:   52:36
I don't know, I suppose. Suppose she's like I just make it by my goods. But But she didn't say what I enjoyed, she said. I feel like as long as I know what I'm writing next, then the other stuff doesn't affect it enough. That stuff doesn't matter, and then the noise is so excited, the noise around, it's so exciting because then people are into it and reading and watching, and I enjoyed that cause it well, it was interesting to me. What about that statement? Was she focused about what

spk_0:   53:02
she's writing next? He said, As long as I know what I'm writing next,

spk_1:   53:05
now she's acting, and next I feel like now is this she just She's done it now, right? We know she's brilliant up for, like everybody knows that. That's what she does. Some you can't go back like she's only gonna I would ask her that question. Did you ever If a role was good enough, would you do it without having it? Input? Yeah, and I guess she's kind of

spk_0:   53:25
doing that on the Vicky Jones show. She'll have a role, but I don't know if she's going to be a producer of you. Yeah, yeah. And does she consider herself primarily a writer or an actor? Or both Are. But yeah, especially those flea bag came out of a very specific need that she had at that time. But now I mean, she did write crashing, too. So I guess she's She definitely is a writer. And actually, when you hear that's what really impressed me, just hearing you talk about like television production and the care or just, you know, the getting the music and the edit and the structure and everything of the characters. She she really is just a great writer. She's has an innate I mean, I know that. But I guess specific to like a television writer, you can tell she just understands the rhythm and the pace and the craft of television writing a narrative, writing, um, that she's just so smarty pants just is that's my ever articulate summation, and when when you got it, you got

spk_1:   54:26
it. Um, I do. I also thought, you know, she said, sometimes you know, there's the unknown like Will I ever write anything is good again or it's personal again. But then I have an idea, and I'm like, Oh, okay and I could do it and the nerds like the nerves go away and I was like, Oh, she's just like us She actually feels the pressure to show up, but she mentioned

spk_0:   54:51
her team to that, like I think, because she's been working with those people for so long. And she said, I've got my team were incredible who I developed and collaborate with and that she's so gut driven. What I liked that, Yeah, solid free. And that's because I actually feel protected at the moment, which was really good to hear.

spk_1:   55:07
Yeah, I think

spk_0:   55:08
she just has a sense of who she is so like and she's worth solid. And she's been working at this for like 10 years. So it's not like this happened overnight for her. So

spk_1:   55:18
Taffy did say, You know, are you ever worried about your projects, that they won't be good or if it won't? It won't set people on fire the same way the previous thing did. And I love that she was like, Oh, I I care No, that's what I care a lot. I really, really care Because from her previous answer, it sounded like you know everything. She's like, Oh,

spk_0:   55:36
so you're never worried? She's like, Oh, no, I really,

spk_1:   55:38
you know, like I wanted to have an impact. And But then she said, There's something that happens when you write something you're so proud of and you're like, all right, I did it and I can afford a couple fuck ups, right?

spk_0:   55:51
The positive side of that was that it's very liberating because she felt like she could be more experimental like

spk_1:   55:56
Oh, no, we know now the bar. There's a line. Now he knows you're really, really solid, so we can let her well could go either

spk_0:   56:03
way because there could be so much pressure of like, Well, the next thing has to be as good or better. Like, What's your what is your next thing? Yeah, And like I remember reading that about Michael Jackson, they said he basically never recovered from Thriller being so successful and that everything after he was like, Well, nothing's ever gonna be as good as Well, so I mean multiple issues Michael Jackson aside, that he just that pressure to deliver that level of success again can really get to you. But it's, you know, her perspective is a healthier one, obviously, which is like, Okay, I created this great thing, and maybe the next thing

spk_1:   56:41
it's a horrible jar. It's burn a bronze marble jar. She put in enough marbles, showed us she's talented and knows her shit. So she convicts marbles out sometime.

spk_0:   56:52
Exactly. And and then I like when she was like, If the next things are complete, fuck ups will you still watch

spk_1:   56:56
him? Yeah, we're like, of course, like girl. We're here. So we will do whatever you d'oh on. And then she

spk_0:   57:03
brought up in this. This was your sweet spot because she brought up the British G Q interviewer Tina Fey interviewed V i. P. My two idols. Yes, and I love when I ask you. Have you read that? You're like, Have I read it? Are you kidding? I hit some I know. Fuck, I am,

spk_1:   57:18
Um, but you had a point

spk_0:   57:20
here about Happy. Gave a little

spk_1:   57:23
I will say that I did enjoy the 30 Rock. Got a mention, and I was like, Oh, my

spk_0:   57:31
God, are you serious? Are you right?

spk_1:   57:32
Is this interview just for me? But Taffy did say she mentioned she'd been rewarded. She rewatched the Iraq. And she was like, I couldn't believe how not. Okay, it would be right now in this kind of landscape. And And the question was, Is there anything about your work like you think it's gonna be a time when we can't make jokes about stuff or is there an expiration date on humor, Sally? Because I like how she said

spk_0:   57:54
She said because we just keep evolving towards an understanding of all the suffering in the world. And

spk_1:   57:59
and she literally said, And while I love that, I think that's a good question. I just would like my little two cents is I generally disagree that 30 rock is not okay right now because it wasn't okay. If you're going off that, then it wasn't okay 10 years ago, right? Because the point is, it's satirical. The jokes are pointing out how shitty stuff is right and how unequal and how racist and sexist and all the bad shit it is. That's like the point. It was always self aware of what it was doing exactly. And so I just had to stand there as it is, like a show like friends people have brought up. There are some

spk_0:   58:39
moments that are genuinely

spk_1:   58:41
ooh Oh, there's a There's something changed

spk_0:   58:44
like Ross being really weirded out by the male nanny and assuming he's gay and you're kind of like course, Ross is also kind of the worst off he goes up now, but yeah, and the couple thing at Chandler and his dad being transferred yeah, at the

spk_1:   58:58
time told me that

spk_0:   58:59
transvestite. So, yeah, they're things then where you're just like Oh, that is

spk_1:   59:03
No, that's aging. Weird. Now watch like theirs. I love this show. Psych. I love I can't What? I and I watched it so often, and I started watching a couple years ago. Oh, the treatment of women. I actually can't. Well, I couldn't do it anymore. Like how interesting things shift. So anyway, please, being tapping That was a good question, because that is a real thing, however, also enjoyed.

spk_0:   59:26
30 Rock might not have been this piece of example. Thank you, Phoebe. He's responding. Phoebe gave a great answer

spk_1:   59:33
because she said she was like that. It's already hard, artistically to be present and what you're writing. And you you have to try extra hard to do that, cause if you're anticipating anything, you're already screwing yourself over right. So as long as you're writing truthfully at that time, then it still has value, even if the value is that it feels inappropriate. Overtime, like I love that there's still value. It's still showing you something about our society because she said not to say

spk_0:   59:58
it will tell us something about the time in which it was written. And this has come up because people have talked about with Disney Plus or with Because, like, um, I used to work it at an animation network and like some of the old cartoons and stuff, that's horrible. Yeah, And you know, a lot of the World War Two stuff about Japanese, you know, and real bad, real, real bad. And I mean, at the time, it was propaganda, and it was the war and whatever and then

spk_1:   1:0:25
and also it was more common to think that one right, Just like,

spk_0:   1:0:30
of course. But I like they've been presented even with, like, intros of saying, like, we're keeping this in the collection because right to erase it makes it sound like that never happened. And it does can be educational to see like, Oh, my God, people used to think that way it isn't. And take that with money in it, and let's move on. Okay, so, uh, I thought it was a very insightful answer. That and she's talked so many times about just being present in her writing and a lot of time. She mentioned being instinctive, and

spk_1:   1:1:02
we will get to that well and she's talked

spk_0:   1:1:04
about like writing without fear and taking off the filters. And as soon as she feels like she's writing something that's like too politically correct, she wants to go in and, like, scramble it

spk_1:   1:1:13
up like, No, there's no you don't want to be safe. Yeah, but I think this because at one

spk_0:   1:1:18
point we'll get to it later. But one point taffy ass like, why has this show set people on fire? Why is it so? Why are people responding to it so much? And I think my take on it has always been that given the culture we're in now, where you feel like you can't make a mistake and that if you make a mistake and you say the wrong thing, end with good intention. There's a difference between people who are mountain, you know, have have bad intentions if you're well intended, and you just happen to you, say or do the wrong thing that you're just cast out canceled your canceled right culture and the idea that a show is recognizing that people are flawed and can be forgiven, and then he'll from that and get better because you can root for them they can have value. Other people can want good things for them, right? That you can love people who aren't perfect. And you can be loved if you're not perfect. I think that is what is hitting the court for me. Yeah, it

spk_1:   1:2:12
was like a relief. Then there s O taffy did full disclosure. They talked about killing Eve. They did, and we didn't. But this is a fleabag

spk_0:   1:2:20
podcasts, and we only talk about flea bag. We never go on tangents, ever. So we're gonna kind of brush past, look, get leave stuff. It'll

spk_1:   1:2:28
be in the transcript of that. Check it out. Happy said, Why do you think the set you on fire? And Phoebe said, I cannot. What's your What do you think? Yeah, and Taffy said, I think it's that every female character we see has to be some kind of activist or caregiver, and it's so weird to see someone who's so messed up. But then tabs worship Kostos. Yes, she said, Who's so messed up that even by the end of season two, she's not really less messed up. There's no like healing that happened. She's just done with us, which is the most messed up thing. And the audience? Everyone around her like a

spk_0:   1:3:00
murmur, murmur, murmur, murmur like, Did you Did you watch

spk_1:   1:3:04
it like I have? He did a really good job, but, you know, it's no wonder you're not gonna know it as well as people who are obsessed, obsessed, obsessed. And I mean the underlying theme here that she missed that whole healing in case you couldn't tell. The underlying

spk_0:   1:3:21
theme here is that Allie and I should have done the interview to say we would everywhere throw no more accurate. Yeah, that I'm not quite sure what she was getting out when she said that. And you, Like I said, you literally heard people kind of go, Don't think, Yeah, and But Phoebe didn't, like, call her out on that or say like, Wow, you missed the point like

spk_1:   1:3:43
she was very gracious about it and I don't even know

spk_0:   1:3:46
that's missing the point. It was just like

spk_1:   1:3:48
it seems like she didn't get the message. It was many

spk_0:   1:3:54
people received. There you go. We all had a different take away from it. And but then she said, like you know, I couldn't look away from it. and just the idea that, like, you know, people wearing outfits that you wore and and I like she's like, Don't worry, I have plenty of jumpsuit. Question would she will get to that. And you know what she said? So many people come up to her around. Twitter were like, Can you ask her to be my friend? Can I be her assistant? Her intern? And she's like, I'm gonna do that. But then kind of asking Phoebe again about, like, why do you think it means so much to people? And I

spk_1:   1:4:26
don't like you the way Phoebe was like, Well, I think once

spk_0:   1:4:28
it lands like, it kind of belongs to the audience. Yeah, well, you decide what you got for me. This is for me to say why I think you loved it. Might take something away

spk_1:   1:4:37
from you. Yeah. Which is so true in a general. It Yeah, yes. And but then she sort of talks about why she white set her on fire. She said I needed to write that character. Actually, no more than that, I needed to see that character. And I wanted to act that character. And and so that's where it led. And so she talks about like I feel a burn when I'm writing something that feels truthful, truthful, truthful in a bit dangerous and writing the play

spk_0:   1:5:06
with just one old big burn. And like, you know, that feeling that sparked when you're like Oh, yeah, this is so good Yeah, I'm like creating, you know, she said. It was driven by this idea of what? What if I just said on stage what I say to my friends and that what she said when in this I guess, is in the Scriptures that when they asked her about the character, she said, when she was feeling her most down or angry, arrange ful, that rageful she would stand at Whatever precipice is in your mind is how she put it and look down at the bottom of the chasm and the very bottom was fleabag and that she said, I'm going to write her to stop me from becoming her on. And I thought this was a great distinction that fleabag is not her. Even though you know

spk_1:   1:5:46
she's gonna spend the rest of her life trying. I know what it was like.

spk_0:   1:5:48
Her childhood nickname and you know anything she even brought up. Like any time a woman writes something that people assume it's autobiographical tickets from her diary or what? Yes, but And the idea of writing your way through an emotional crisis resonated with me because I've seen studies about how they said, like journaling or like writing out a narrative of what's in your head can help you kind of frame.

spk_1:   1:6:10
Yeah, well, that's a burning because you're a shitty first draft you're shooting first round, but also just that, because I

spk_0:   1:6:17
I sort of look, after my mom died, I started blogging and it really didn't help. Beautiful. No, thank you. Maybe I should share some of them. The group, but the if people interested, but But what they said what it also helps do is that in your head, you're so and anxiety comes into this too. But like you have so many frazzle bots like green, this is her depiction of grief. And season 12 is that kind of chaos that writing and writing it out helps you kind of like structure, structure it and create a narrative around it and take a little control over and that actually It also becomes cathartic cause it's almost like doing that kind of cleans it out of your head. Leases it,

spk_1:   1:6:58
dude. I mean, I have to I, like, have to write after we'll get to this. But after I Oh, yeah ran up to Phoebe after the show and we'll get to that. Yeah, we, like, went out to this restaurant for drinks and I sat there. I wrote an essay. So everything down and my phone, it was almost like I just had to. It was like, E just had to do. Yeah, it was like Memento al. We went to

spk_0:   1:7:24
a tattoo artist and had it the whole story tattooed under her back.

spk_1:   1:7:27
So I'll never forget my shoulder, because what does it say? I said, I'm a nerd. Yeah, so she's

spk_0:   1:7:37
obviously again, like said, emotionally intelligent and the fact that she could take that like, you know, which

spk_1:   1:7:44
could be

spk_0:   1:7:44
seen his depression of like, yeah, this view of yourself being sunk so low, like worthless and

spk_1:   1:7:50
I would be curious. They've never talked

spk_0:   1:7:52
about whether she's had any kind of like emotional issues like that. Maybe she just the anger burst very right. But the fact that she was able to channel it into the story. Yeah, I would love to hear more about from her.

spk_1:   1:8:05
Yeah, I agree. One thing that was a wonderful answer that she gave, she said. In the second season. So in the first season, you know, it's really it's about she's flawed and blah, blah, blah. And then in the second season, she's like I want to write about love, which is surprising to her. We're coming out of fleabag season one because that's about emptiness and someone trying to deflect the world and deflect people from seeing her pain. And it's like about casual sex and emptiness. And then her next stage is love. And she said, and the power of a kiss because I needed to see Fleabag go through that Yeah, I think, and I And she said so to answer Happy's question about why this let people on fire. So I don't really know the answer to your question, but I hope it's the same reason as me, which I needed to see somebody who's just like fuck you the first season and the second season. I need to see someone who's like I will never let love in. And then we see her let love in. And that's what got her. Yeah. Just showing messy women complex

spk_0:   1:9:08
women, right, being complex, like normal women, right? Almost. Like she healed taffy, this kid, but not really. And also, this was another case where I was like, clearly Christine Alley nailed it When? We don't

spk_1:   1:9:23
know exactly. Not

spk_0:   1:9:25
that it's the hardest thing to pull out of it. But that goes back to the idea of why season two was so effective and so, like, fresh and clear and original. And it really, um, that lesson at the end. Redemption. Yeah. So then taffy was like, uh, you ended fleabag. After two seasons, you ended crashing. And then females like, Why didn't crash Crashing was ended. Four men

spk_1:   1:9:53
were like, uh, good to have you wanted to

spk_0:   1:9:56
say I go? I thought you'd mastered this thing of, like, not staying when people want Maura and more. And you're just like, No. Oh, I didn't crash part of my late master

spk_1:   1:10:04
plan. Never mind. Yeah, but then she

spk_0:   1:10:06
was like, Why did you and flea bag and we you know, she's talked about this before That you know, she actually thought it was actually just a one story. Are yeah, years off before? Yeah, second season that it was just season one and that she said, even stretching it into six episodes, she found very difficult and that adapting it was very difficult. But she was like, Christie, I didn't just copy and paste, thank you very much crazy, but that by the end she felt like there was an ending in a catharsis. And even though, like everybody doesn't end up happy, it just closed the door on it. Like that was the end. Yeah, and then But then she said, like Amazon and BBC like ask her to do another season. And she was like,

spk_1:   1:10:44
You said it was hardest. You don't understand. But then she said,

spk_0:   1:10:50
what really was key for her was the relationship with the camera.

spk_1:   1:10:54
Yeah, this might have been my favorite answer years, and she had

spk_0:   1:10:57
mentioned is a little bit before of like knowing that something had to change about. But there was a little more detail here. Yeah, and that at the end of the first season, you know, she said, she stops looking the camera after she confesses her secret about boo because she's like to shameful toe look at it. Whereas like before, it had been like, I'm fine, I'm fine. Everything's fine. I'm sexy and hilarious and cool. Don't look at my painting look my pain and that she said to go from that ending where she was like, You've seen me now for who I am and it's shameful. So I have no interest in you. I can't have you here anymore. Untrue. She was like for season two to start with her looking cheekily the camera again and being like,

spk_1:   1:11:36
I have another

spk_0:   1:11:36
story about a friend. I'm going to tell you

spk_1:   1:11:38
I'm that same girl and it's a love story. Yeah, and she was like It just felt

spk_0:   1:11:42
really false. Yeah, And then she had this conversation with Harry Brad Beer that was so good.

spk_1:   1:11:47
Who? Yes, So he said if she still got somethingto learn than she has more story, does she have something to learn? And Phoebe said, And I was like, Yes, of course we owe And and so she said, yes, it's true that I was pitching him endings and he said, Well, you know, in the end, Really. What you've written is a story about someone who learns to love themselves. And I was like, No, I have it that's so cheesy any And then she said. But he's right. And I knew he was right. And well, when she told

spk_0:   1:12:21
that story, I was like, Okay, we knew where he was. A genius, obviously. But what he's describing is really just like the essence of storytelling. Yes, of you know, what is the hero? Learn what is the audience learn along with them and the idea that, like stories, are not just about characters following a plot but, like the plot is what shapes and evolves the characters and like when you read books about, like, screenplay structure, which again you don't have. You know, people break that structure all the time, but it's basically like the basics. Yeah, the character starts a certain way. Something happens that changes them. And then they become this. And so have you heard the power of myth stuff? Joseph Campbell. After that, I haven't read it. I've watched the show.

spk_1:   1:13:01
Hey, if there's a show, Yeah, I watched it. Um, but he did you people and this was I

spk_0:   1:13:06
mean, this is from like decades ago. But he talks about like Star Wars being like the modern myth and that, you know, people say like, Well, what a Star Wars about. It's like, you know, you could say like,

spk_1:   1:13:15
Well, it's about these planets

spk_0:   1:13:16
and the these ships and they're fighting over this and whatever. But he said, It's actually about Luke Skywalker realizing his purpose, like that's what Star Wars is about. And I think that's why it's so hard to describe three back to people when they're like,

spk_1:   1:13:29
What is fleabag about? Because it's not about the plot. It's like, Well, it's about

spk_0:   1:13:33
a woman learning how to love herself,

spk_1:   1:13:35
right? But that's not it doesn't sound very interesting. No, but it's what makes it unique. And then can I know how you connect? You can't just It's almost

spk_0:   1:13:44
like we would get later when she talks about the characters like you can't just distill it down to like it's this. This in this Yeah, it

spk_1:   1:13:50
is to broaden, that's all. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:13:52
it's just like it's these. It's just a character, and we follow her on this journey

spk_1:   1:13:56
Well, because why have anything happened to the characters If it doesn't matter, it has to something they have to change. Like if there's no point in, have anything happen?

spk_0:   1:14:05
If there's no why am I watching this story? Really? Yeah. When she mentioned before that, once she came up with that character, she did then just thought what? And then put her in different situation. At least let's just see what would happen. And that's what's great healing your best characters. It's like, Yeah, now we just put them in this and see what happens. Yes, yes,

spk_1:   1:14:20
and it's so show. Don't tell to like you. You don't realize what's happening until the very end. And then and so it feels not. It doesn't feel cheesy because it was, like, so organic, and that will come back to this. But one thing that may be the main thing I took away from the whole Q and A was how not intentional. Oh yeah, about a lot of stuff, like we've spent this podcast being like, Oh my God, all the themes in the book ends and it's so clear that she did this and she says she's such a We've been like attributing her genius to like planning this all out and how everything is so, you know, curated and perfect. But actually, her genius is just that She went with her gut and told the truth, told like a true right dealing story and made a really an actual think 360 degree character. And so then the things that happened to her makes sense, makes sense and are really and are profound sense. And it just worked out like, I don't know, I was really together by that. A lot of

spk_0:   1:15:20
a lot of great things came together. Yeah, you know, like, this doesn't happen on every show clearly, but yeah, she because she was truthful in the moment it blood to moments that resonated. Yes. Then, like so instinct one that she said again with the camera at the end. Because when I realized that loving herself meant she didn't need to love us anymore or doesn't need our love anymore that she had to be set free. So that was kind of her knowing that was kind of her knowing that was the end of the show. Yeah. And the taffy specified. You're so the camera is

spk_1:   1:15:50
us. You know, she asked the question right

spk_0:   1:15:52
Or is it a particular person? Is it boo? Is it just everyone like, Who is she speaking to specifically? Or is it just an offshoot of the play where she's obviously talking to the audience? Yes, and Phoebe said it certainly started that way, but and at first he was like, you know, it's

spk_1:   1:16:06
whatever people want it to be. And this

spk_0:   1:16:09
I thought I liked where she goes. I was

spk_1:   1:16:11
going to

spk_0:   1:16:11
say there isn't a wrong answer, but there

spk_1:   1:16:13
is a thing. And so then we were like, All right, girl? Yeah, where she goes. I always debate

spk_0:   1:16:17
whether I should even talk about this. And then tap is like, Do it.

spk_1:   1:16:20
And we were all like, Thank you, taffy. Well, then, Phoebe,

spk_0:   1:16:23
Phoebe was even like, Well, you guys came

spk_1:   1:16:27
like you're here for a little while You're here. So, you know, with the play bases, all she

spk_0:   1:16:32
could afford was a one woman

spk_1:   1:16:33
show. So So maybe she didn't start out being like the camera is blah, blah. She said it was very instinctive at the beginning. Should the play the one woman show cause that's what she could afford. And so then the audience was there like she's gonna interact with the audience. So then she's building from the point of view of how to affect an audience. So that was the point of the breaking the fourth wall thing. But then when I turned on the TV show and there's the camera just naturally became the camera, yes. So the camera became the audience. So she said, and it changed the relationships. And she also she said she also saw the camera like the presence

spk_0:   1:17:04
of the cameras, that societal pressure to be something. Yeah, all the time. And she had

spk_1:   1:17:09
the hair in the coat, the lipstick, and she was sorted all the time and its fault. You're followed everywhere by this lens, right? And just that feeling of

spk_0:   1:17:18
being watched. Yeah, I like it when she goes, you clock in and you're like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Yes, like just the image you're presenting to me. I

spk_1:   1:17:26
got it together and that I love that because it feels so right. And she didn't even think of that Meaning and tow, like later. Yeah. Just evolve naturally. Well and

spk_0:   1:17:36
then And this kind of We've talked about this before of like, a little bit of, you know, social media or, you know, kind of like online image of who you are because you said, I feel like it's a difficult thing for us because we need to be witnessed. But at the same time, it's a poisoned chalice because sometimes you need not to be witnessed. You need to be on your own sometimes. But then, if you're not witnessed, you feel like you're nothing so that the camera comes into her life and witnesses her so she can put on this show and like, you know, because we all do this all the time, where we put on a little show and that it's just part of who she is and that that's and we talked about this where that's what connects her to the priest because she said he's a match for her because for him, that's what God is. Yes, she has the camera looking at her. He has God looking at him, right, and they're both people who have nothing, right. And she said they both have his very tangible sense of people watching them, yes, and then present, like creating ah, presentation, creating right. You know, a persona meeting meeting an expectation. Yes. And that so that when hers When she finally can let hers go, it really feels like freedom.

spk_1:   1:18:39
Yeah, which is why I I think ultimately why it's

spk_0:   1:18:42
so shocking when she walks away from us. Yeah, is like, we are doing that ultimate

spk_1:   1:18:47
thing, right? Like I don't know that because it hits you like it. It really does it for then you think? Well, it's partly is

spk_0:   1:18:54
almost like Okay, you know, you're rejecting me. You don't need me anymore. But then also, like,

spk_1:   1:18:59
I'm not

spk_0:   1:19:00
in a place where I can let that go.

spk_1:   1:19:02
Shows you. Yeah, you like? 00 you're really got it all together. I guess I need to work on stuff. But it was nice that she gave us an answer. She didn't She didn't answer the question because later on, because that's what the fuck's just answer. The question of the fox doesn't tell us where fleabag is now.

spk_0:   1:19:18
Right? But she tells us that the camera is the audience slash society. Yeah, because she was going through at the end, You know, I really think it's an audience. Sorry. Have we lost that? And that It goes back to the dry rate stuff for, she said. Like we're always thinking about what's make something exciting for an audience and that fleabag, the character thinks the same way. Like, What do I do to keep you entertained?

spk_1:   1:19:39
Which I was like, How can I make the people around me enjoy this at my own expense? Women all the time always

spk_0:   1:19:47
spot on. Yeah. And then she even said, It's never anything more metaphorical or metaphysical for me. So I think she basically saying it's not boob.

spk_1:   1:19:56
Yeah, why not go? And

spk_0:   1:19:57
that might be the wrong answer. Like, it's definitely not a specific thing. Yeah, or like talk

spk_1:   1:20:02
because I'm scared because I'm Boo would know that. What? Her secret. It's so even one to begin with. Oh, and everyone. Good point. Yeah, s So then Taffy shifted

spk_0:   1:20:15
into the fact that only a few people get named Claire gets the name Martin gets a name. His son gets the name Harry, because what's the rule for who gets a name and we

spk_1:   1:20:24
all everybody sits on the edge

spk_0:   1:20:25
of their chairs. Yeah, we're like, yeah, east of Is there a rule and that she basically was like in the first season. The thing with flea bags. She feels like she could just distill people down very quickly and that, like, to broaden. She just doesn't need to see him as anything more than that. Yeah, and that, you know, it's a joke, but it also says something about her, and then this. I love because she said, it's a way for me to play with the character, because if you call him to Rodent, he's ludicrous. Yeah, he's ridiculous. And he's just not even a real person. You're just constantly laughing at him. He was laughing at him, so that sets you up really well. Yeah, which is that sets you up really well to have a little moment where you just see a flicker of like what? I'm a real person when he called on us is I've had these teeth my whole life. Yeah,

spk_1:   1:21:05
and then you're like, Oh, fuck, I feel like an asshole. Right? Yet, like you said, make you laugh and punch you in the heart. Yeah, and I had never caught this

spk_0:   1:21:14
because she's because then Taffy said, Well, the priest is a real person, but he doesn't get a name, and but I she said, actually, she goes basically the priest was always meant to be unknowable toe fleabag, But at the beginning, she does kind of distill him when she just calls him a cool swear e priest. And then she goes, he is a to broaden her. He is an arsehole guy. Like he's just the priest guy until they have that interaction outside. And then it's like, Whoa, this is something different and I like when she goes. Whereas if I had just been like, this is Mark and then she was like, his name's not

spk_1:   1:21:44
Mark, I I know what you're gonna start doing

spk_0:   1:21:47
and that, um, she goes whereas like, this is Martin like, you don't even need to sum him up. He does it on his

spk_1:   1:21:54
own, which I was like, Okay, the name's Mark and Martin are like, very similar, But she didn't. She said it did, but she's like if you go Mark, they're like, okay, but far too. Martin. Yeah, well, then, the fact, too, that

spk_0:   1:22:09
if you she goes every time she tried to give the priest a name or fleabag name, it just identifies them as like one individual human being in the world, and she didn't say this, But I think the implication is that if they don't have names, they become more universal. Yeah, and more relatable, because now they're kind of representing everybody. Yeah, like every woman. Yeah. And so then she brought up taffy, brought up her sister Isabel, um, for writing the music I like when she goes well, in the first season, I really just wanted there'd be minimal music and so she was like, Thanks.

spk_1:   1:22:41
And that's what she said. I think a lot of the time and we have talked about this before is music can either be manipulative or let you off the hook. And I didn't want that like, you see that in comedy, and I didn't want to do that. So in the first season, I was like, Let's not have any of that. But then when we do have the music, let's

spk_0:   1:22:57
make it really worth something right? Make it matter. Like the sale song in the subway. Yeah, it's a great example of that.

spk_1:   1:23:05
Yes, like that's because a lot of people are just like that was when I saw that episode I was like, Oh, this is something This is different. Different and fascinating. Yeah, absolutely intrinsic to that scene. Yes. Yes, I did. And I also think she could. She addresses the title, Uh, little blip. The title Curries in one second season One when it's like, what? You just chaos. And she said that, actually, she she was like, um basically, it looks like she said Isabel wrote to jazz pieces, and neither of them were right. And then she just put thumb. They were like each other. Who? And then you can't put your finger on the emotions. That music. Yeah, And that is so Yes. What? When she said that

spk_0:   1:23:51
I thought of you Because I remember when we first talked about flea bag and you had just started season one, and you were like,

spk_1:   1:23:56
I even just love the title

spk_0:   1:23:57
sequence where it's like, This is chaos. Okay, we're back. And when she was like, so you know, there was just this

spk_1:   1:24:03
chaos. I was like, Yes, exactly. Ready, baby, You know what? Me and Phoebe just on the same wavelength

spk_0:   1:24:08
you guys were just And she said there was also a little bit of just a practical reason for keeping that so short because I loved it at the time because you felt like, cut off so quickly that you were just like, Oh, we're back. Yeah,

spk_1:   1:24:22
it's like a shocker. It just keeps you. Yeah, exactly. But then and it does set up

spk_0:   1:24:27
a tone of like What you think is gonna happen is not happening yet. But she said logistically, it was also just a way to cram more story because she said, You have a limited run time. Good, because it was running on BBC and was like on Amazon Netflix. A lot of those will just run,

spk_1:   1:24:43
but does that who would Just who just keeps who? Just something for our hours. It doesn't even just without any limit, no kind of edit, and you're nothing off limits anyway. And here's the Here's

spk_0:   1:24:59
the really scary part, guys, that's the edited version you're getting. Yeah, there's gold on the floor. I think you do a pretty good job. Then she said that Anyway, when they got to Season 20 but she said, basically keeping it short. Let them do more of the story in Phil around time. And that was Season two she knew she wanted to be, like big and soaring and religious, and that she was poor Isabella because she had no budget. And I'm sending her references of, like, 50 piece orchestras inquires. She was like, Oh, my God, thanks a lot. But then we talked about this when we talk about Season two that eventually it was like you singers as a way to create that that, like, fullness and that she said they did, you know, all the way from like adults singers to this boy's school. And she said they were so sweet cause on their Twitter they were like

spk_1:   1:25:49
we just recorded for flea bag and their parents were like, What? Oh, shit, easy, Wait a minute. But I mean, what I thought was interesting is she Yelle. She shocks that. Like the second season, we wanted to feel different than the 1st 1 And it absolutely, I mean, it just feels different to me. It's like this. It's like golden and like the second season has so much more music. Yeah, and it's just full of character like, Yeah, because it's so much more emotionally supportive. Like the silence in the first season leaves you out on a limb with her. You're like you're more vulnerable and raw, but you're kind of guided by the music in the second season like you're not manipulated. No, she said there were a lot of

spk_0:   1:26:28
scenes that were falling flat until they added the music. And then it really helped and that, you know, because I wanted not to feel emotionally manipulative, but like, gotta roll. And that that she said that she gave all these references to is a problem that she came back and she goes And it would sound too heavy or like, and that I love when she goes. I don't really talk. I don't know how to talk about music, and so she will just be like we don't

spk_1:   1:26:49
tell me how

spk_0:   1:26:50
you feel and I'll just be like, uh, she'll be like, oh,

spk_1:   1:26:55
only sisters. I was gonna say

spk_0:   1:26:56
there's that, like, sisterly short and that

spk_1:   1:27:00
then she said this was another like, happy accident. Where, and we had heard

spk_0:   1:27:04
this, that the singers get older over the course of the episode.

spk_1:   1:27:07
I think she, Isabelle, I think, talks about it in an interview. And I was like, Oh, what a smart thing to play. Exactly.

spk_0:   1:27:13
And they said, actually, they ended up putting it all in backwards.

spk_1:   1:27:17
Yeah. So the song she wrote for the first episode is in the fifth episode, and And what I like is she said they didn't have to edit it just fit perfectly. And so they she said that we kept having this constant saying God did that like, we'd be like, Oh, my God, He's on our side. Is he on our side? Given what we're doing, I know

spk_0:   1:27:37
and that Yeah, So in that, even they were, like, you know, isn't only

spk_1:   1:27:41
good job. You're so good. Yeah, okay. And that just

spk_0:   1:27:45
lots of, like, magical things like that happen. Yeah. Yeah.

spk_1:   1:27:48
You had mentioned on our notes that, like all the music in season two, it parallel just how fuller and

spk_0:   1:27:55
richer her life. Yes, like even the color palette is brighter. Exactly. She's just she's coming back to life. Yes. Yeah, and that. Okay, so now is where we get into one of the questions we sent on Twitter Was Alexis observation about Fares Bueller? Yeah, And

spk_1:   1:28:10
the question had just been like, Hey, here's

spk_0:   1:28:13
some similarities with Ferris Bueller. what we feel like. There's some references. Yes, are the intentional and, of course, me with my nerdy side by sides and whatever.

spk_1:   1:28:21
If you don't know what we're talking about, check out our instagram. It's at fleabag situation. Podcast. Chris. The Highlights. One of the highlights. Crissy made a very comprehensive analysis. Let's say to conference, Amazing of the similar between Paris and it was literally just

spk_0:   1:28:38
three side by sides of like him look in the camera and then, like there's a scene in a fancy bathroom. And then there there's not a picture of it, but the nine times reference it's good you should. Then at the end, she waves goodbye to us and he also after the credits, pushes us.

spk_1:   1:28:52
Timing is similar. It just it gets you. I want you to see it and be like, Oh, well, maybe she will, because she So then that was the

spk_0:   1:29:01
question was just Hey, we noticed these things. And again, was Alexis that reservation? Yeah, tweeted this now like taffy and just said, Hey, there's this

spk_1:   1:29:09
Well, she free the way she phrased it was like, Are you aware

spk_0:   1:29:13
of this conspiracy theory that fleabag is kind of a soft stealth gender sequel to Ferris Bueller.

spk_1:   1:29:21
I What I What is that? Well, I went from this combination of like, Oh, my God, That's our question. Wait, What? Because it just kind of added this layer that, like, I was not there? Yeah, it was cute. It was cute fun. And it kind of got a laugh. Yes. And so again, I was like, Oh, my God, They That's our question. Yes. And Sophie, He was like, I'll take that. And they like noticeably. Like what? What? But also, like, no, yet and so tacky. Kind of explains, She's like, Well, she repeats the line nine times the principal or the mom says nine times. Yeah, the principal there, the principal said, Okay. And then, you know, the audience was kind of

spk_0:   1:29:57
starting to, and she's like, I'm just gonna finish

spk_1:   1:29:59
Well, one what I did enjoy, she said, Like Ferris Bueller back. I noticed that. So you see, what I'm saying is there's a lot you should comment on, and then Phoebe does not come into. All she said was,

spk_0:   1:30:11
I'll have to watch that again. You have to watch that movie. Yes. So I guess the answer is not intentional. Uh, even though I thought you we had read that she watched a bunch of stuff. Yes. Fourth wall. She

spk_1:   1:30:21
said that so but so here we were just like Okay, that was weird. And then Vanity Fair did, Ah, coverage of the event. And, like, half the stories about the Ferris Bueller question, like in the sub haven answer it. You know, it's like Phoebe

spk_0:   1:30:36
talks about where fleabag is now. And then the subhead like she also addresses Ferris Bueller conspiracy. There

spk_1:   1:30:41
isn't it was like, Oh, my God, this is taking on a life of its own. It just shows how people like these sites just wanna right, they just eat content. But I click that sure, especially because it's ours.

spk_0:   1:30:54
Uh, so that was that was interesting, but, uh, yeah, I kinda just was like, wow, that did not go the way Expected it. Then she said, um, another question. The fox is he got to see the celibacy demons of the priest or otherwise. And this wasn't Phoebe. Didn't answer, is basically like I leave this up to the audience and I took her answer as like, it didn't mean

spk_1:   1:31:14
anything I know I took it to mean that she it does mean something, but she's letting She enjoyed the the theorizing and is allowing us to have our own because it has to mean something. Her answer

spk_0:   1:31:28
was that she said she was writing really random bits and was writing for Andrew and that, uh, Phoebe actually made a little bit of a mistake because she said that the first thing I ever wrote for the priest was the scene that ends up in Episode five in the vestry when they're talking to each other and he's showing her his robes and everything.

spk_1:   1:31:46
That was episode for Madi Bebe. Do you even

spk_0:   1:31:49
know your own show? Um, that's what you should have run up to the car mean like

spk_1:   1:31:54
Phoebe. It was episode for that's what That's what really imprinted on

spk_0:   1:31:59
her. She would have shoot it into that have been like to correct Open the door. Come on in.

spk_1:   1:32:03
Exactly. Oh, thank God you told me. Then

spk_0:   1:32:06
she goes. But she said, you know who shot? Because I didn't know what the hell was going on. Like I didn't know who this character was. At this point, I knew the piglets stuff, and then a similar thing happened with the fox. When I was writing that scene and she was I was more surprised by the Fox superior that scene than anybody that because I was just, you know, the best feelings when you're writing away and you just start laughing cause this thing happens and that I was writing and he was like, Boo bah and I was like, Oh,

spk_1:   1:32:31
let's find out what that is so so that at the end, maybe you're right. But then she said, the fact that

spk_0:   1:32:36
you know he needed to come back in the end just felt like this piece of the puzzle that kind of just worked as a writer and that she couldn't really articulate why and that that's why she left it up to the audience.

spk_1:   1:32:45
So okay, I think that maybe this is a case of her not intentionally doing something, but it really and gut was right. Her gut was right. Her gut knew it was symbolic of all the things. And we're gonna do an episode about it, especially especially since it has religious connotation right now. So I don't know. So whatever I'm just

spk_0:   1:33:06
gonna take it as if it matters.

spk_1:   1:33:07
But what I do think is interesting is like so I've never written fiction. I don't I feel a calling to do that. I write every day. But I write, you know, really stuff. No, I write about things that exists already. Another. I say I combined people, other people stuff and make it easy to understand whatever. But I'm one of the things I'm most impressed with fiction writers when they say that the characters like, create the story and they don't know where it's gonna lead, I don't understand. I don't know what that means. I don't understand how you could just, like, be writing. And then a Fox shows up like, How do you know that's something that it astonishes me like you? Just the Yeah, I don't know. It's very intimidating, Impressive to me. So that was kind of cool to hear her say, like, No, I don't know those awful sudden. They're just like you fought this box well, and I think some of

spk_0:   1:33:52
that is you were saying about a character forms the story. I took an online second sitting second city writing class once and That's a lot of improv is where it's just the idea of like, yes, and and you accept whatever has happened to keep going and building off of it and that I remember one of the exercises in writing was called, Like something. I'm gonna get the name wrong, but something like unknown motive or something like that. It was basically just a character has something they're trying to achieve, but nobody else in the scene knows what it is. Yeah, and they are willing to do anything to achieve that goal. And so then you put them in a situation, and basically, then you it is kind of true. We're like, OK, know this character wants to do this. So if this happened to that on there, if you know, if this happened, they do this and then this happens. What's gonna be their response to that? If this is their motivation, So it is tricky. And then I had mentioned this in the notes later, when you know she talks about the this idea just kind of suddenly came to her, and like there is that it's kind of the mystery of, like, the muse of writing of writers who talk about this like conduit feeling where it's almost like you're flows through You, like, flows through and you're almost transcribing a story that you're witnessing in your head and that I remember J. K. Rolling had said that she felt that way when she started writing Harry Potter that once the idea came to her like she physically could not write the words fast enough because she's coming to her so quickly. That's I think that's amazing. Well, and its mysterious Yeah, you know, some of writing is planning and structure, and you know what organization? So I get the person here and yeah, and it's funny because when you like, watch to me like you watched me like Season two, you just take for granted that it exists and realize, like,

spk_1:   1:35:45
No, she had to make these choices like she came up with

spk_0:   1:35:47
this in her head. These characters were not. I

spk_1:   1:35:50
know that that's when I just stand back and I'm

spk_0:   1:35:52
like Your brilliance is like you're glowing. It's Yeah, it's a really unique talent, but it's talent that then is made better by practice. Yes, like anything horse.

spk_1:   1:36:02
The other thing

spk_0:   1:36:02
with the FARC scene that she talked about was I thought it came back to that element of, like, the dry right idea. Our idea about writing that character should be dealing with multiple things at once, because in that scene he's having conversation with her. We also know he's dealing with the implications of this conversation he's having with her and the fact that he's just out there talking to her.

spk_1:   1:36:25
And he's

spk_0:   1:36:25
like, looking around, he's afraid of waking up. Pam,

spk_1:   1:36:28
you're right.

spk_0:   1:36:29
But then also now, he might also be hearing the Fox in the Bushes, and we find out he's afraid of Fox's. So like there's like four or five things happening with this character, which make that scene so watchable now because any one of those is interesting. But because it's not just one thread that makes him immediately more relatable, right? More real, Yeah,

spk_1:   1:36:49
so that she goes okay, one last question

spk_0:   1:36:50
before we go to our lightning round and it really was like

spk_1:   1:36:52
Wait, what was that we were done with? Is the lightning around 40 minutes And how fast is the late? How how much lightning are we talking? I mean storms. Last night I know, it could be a

spk_0:   1:37:03
lot of light. So she's like The last question is, where is fleabag now? Will she ever see the priest again? Which I mean, how did she expect her to answer?

spk_1:   1:37:12
I did like she's like, I bet you won't want to answer that. But I think you should. And then she turned

spk_0:   1:37:16
off. She goes, I work for

spk_1:   1:37:17
you. So Phoebe said, I don't know, I honestly don't know where she is and we're all like, Okay, what I expected all over. And then she was cute. She's like, Oh, she lives by the sea in a bungalow And the priest arrives on a donkey and she says, Oh, you came back for me. Like Like Okay, I want to know from

spk_0:   1:37:37
the town hall audience immediately went home and wrote that fan,

spk_1:   1:37:39
Oh my God, you know, multiple priest on the dog peach after one. Is that a thing? Said a thing like comes up on

spk_0:   1:37:49
his donkey and it's romantic. Oh, I think I don't know. It's just like a fairy tale. Er, any idea why it was a donkey?

spk_1:   1:37:55
I don't Are we sure we not analyze every other word now Let's analyze this victory is a donkey. Let's discuss donkey. Let's discuss fees is made up scenarios known as an ass. What does that mean? It doesn't come back to awful guy. I think we cracked it. Oh, my God. Look at me not being intentionally Think of me just Yes, they ended the whole lot of that. But when she she had told the

spk_0:   1:38:28
story before about how she felt but fleabag character leave her during her last performance, her last performance. And so she went to murder,

spk_1:   1:38:37
felt it during the second to last perform. That's what was so funny because she was like,

spk_0:   1:38:42
you know, we done it so many times and she kept saying like, I'm not gonna get very emotional or cry because I just don't really get like that. And we've been around this character for so long and that, you know, we'll toast her and thank her for this amazing journey of the last six years, and that it was a to show day and because you have the matinee and she hadn't even like invited family, she was. I was just not sentimental izing this at all and that yet toward the end of the place. He was starting to feel emotional, which he said is good because it's better if you cry at the end of the play. And

spk_1:   1:39:09
then I started getting sort of panicky

spk_0:   1:39:10
because I could feel the character sort of leaving me. And I remember feeling

spk_1:   1:39:13
like, No, I've got one more show And she said she told the stage manner like she felt weird about in the stage. Manager was like, What was that about? I swear I felt character like, kind of leave me The stage manager was like, We've got one more shot like, Don't fuck this up. Yeah, Then in the evening,

spk_0:   1:39:32
she was looking like How what's gonna happen? And you know that the end She did get very emotional and just really hit by, like, the whole journey of the character. And yeah, and then she was I did. I felt her go just so interesting. Yeah, that feels like, Yeah, that it was just a lovely feeling. And she said, It's near like you've done the right thing and you ended this at the right time. And then I like how she said she looked at her stuff. We both

spk_1:   1:39:55
ways. I have two editors. There was a typo in our notes Invoke that must move. We both little secret out even the same time in our that we've been it wrong because we're very cool people. But she goes that you feel like you've

spk_0:   1:40:19
done the right thing. You've ended the story at the right time and like how she goes. I looked at my stage manager who's so hardcore, and she was like, Oh, yeah, and that is that It just felt magical and she just I don't know where she is now. And I think that's the right thing for both of us, which is

spk_1:   1:40:33
the good, solid waiter. And then the

spk_0:   1:40:37
lightning round meeting The night was almost over. I know

spk_1:   1:40:41
all of us were like, Oh, my God saver. They savor it. So she you know, she asked. First question was, Did Amazon give you a hard time about on scenes on screen? I

spk_0:   1:40:49
never thought of that.

spk_1:   1:40:50
I didn't either, because they were just over. I think the nineties it was like nobody smokes. Don't do that, which you know it's fine. Don't show kids that this is the thing. I don't want to emulate the little up, but I think we're, like, a bit Well, I'm a real now, and yeah, it's not

spk_0:   1:41:03
a network TV. Yeah, you know, I know a lot of movies like they actively remove smoking.

spk_1:   1:41:09
Yes. Yeah. To this day. You know what? You really do not

spk_0:   1:41:12
see it a lot. That is something that is something remarkable. And I remember watching like, Runaway Bride or some old movie with Julia Roberts is like smoking in a scene in a jar. Get surprising. Yeah, it really was like roof gross.

spk_1:   1:41:23
Yeah. You know what's funny, though?

spk_0:   1:41:25
And this is because I didn't mind that fleabag smoked it all. I did When I saw the shot of Phoebe. The actual photo of her with your

spk_1:   1:41:31
celebrating? A little. I like No, that was the character. Don't do that. Years old. Yes. I was kind of like Phoebe. We want you around like this. Don't do that to your lungs. I did look cool. She looks super cool. Don't get Don't get me wrong. She looked really real badass, but yeah, I

spk_0:   1:41:48
felt very old in that moment. I just was like like a mom was

spk_1:   1:41:51
like a little sweetie Well, you know what? Maybe she was just celebrating. She would Some people only smoked with drink. She could smoke. What? Everybody can have the advice anyway, she said So happy said Were you surprised by the reaction to the jump suit? You said Yes. Tabby said, Do you own the jumpsuit? Because now I D'oh! Daddy said, Will you ever wear the jumpsuit again? Phoebe said, Yeah, because that's the thing. Like, where do I wear? Yeah, yeah. And then she was like, No, I'll make it happen. And I love where is the jumpsuit? Which got a laugh, which was was Well, we're not done on the jump

spk_0:   1:42:29
suit. Yeah, we're really digging deep into the dress and she said, It's in her wardrobe at home. And then what's the first thing you do when you wake up, which got a giggle? Yes, I couldn't have. We're all thinking she would give some kind of flea bag except something sexual. I masturbated, but it was just that she checks her phone. Yeah, and

spk_1:   1:42:48
then she she was disappointed herself. So boring Stars.

spk_0:   1:42:52
They're just like, yeah, and even taffy goes, It's honest. Yeah, And then what's your winding down routine at night, and they're like shows. This is from the self care.

spk_1:   1:43:01
How do you How do you just you relax your

spk_0:   1:43:03
mind? Yeah. And she was all the glass of wine and watch something And a few people kind of like clapped and taffy was like people cheering for wine and easy, easy throw him out of And then she's like, Yeah, we'll have a glass of wine and watch something and they just like what you watching lately? And then she couldn't answer. Then she goes,

spk_1:   1:43:18
Maybe don't wind down that way. But I was also like, Well, you're sort of like your life

spk_0:   1:43:23
isn't routine right now, Like you have been home since the Emmys. You're all over the place, like,

spk_1:   1:43:27
all right, you're up hook. Although I do want to know

spk_0:   1:43:30
what she watches. I know what is what's on her DVR

spk_1:   1:43:34
list. Then the next lightning question was, Where are your Emmys? Phoebe said My mom's got all of them. She built like a whole cabinet around the back. Yeah, she's like I'm putting extension around now that she was obviously joking. I like she

spk_0:   1:43:48
goes. I haven't been home since the Emmys So they've gone ahead of me to get London ready.

spk_1:   1:43:53
So with that, let's analyze it. Go. I wasn't sure if she was singing about this. Actually, in the car right here. I was like, Is she saying to get London ready? Like London Dash ready for to get London

spk_0:   1:44:04
ready. Ready for her to come back. I took it is the first, you

spk_1:   1:44:08
know, it's that even cut that? No. So then Taffy asked, Do you prefer your fans who loved fleabag before the much hyped second season? And would you be friends with those bans? And Phoebe was cute, like, Yeah, they're my

spk_0:   1:44:24
family, which is very cute. I do feel for those people because I feel like a little bit of late, you know, bandwagon. Er, yeah. Um, because I do know a couple of people who I remember were like, this is a great show. And I was like, Yeah, OK, so sorry. Guys like,

spk_1:   1:44:39
sounds kind of

spk_0:   1:44:40
gross, please. And like, yeah,

spk_1:   1:44:43
and then she was is my

spk_0:   1:44:44
favorite. I saved it for last. You have any advice for people with sexualized self hatred? And she was my followers. Come tell me what sexual high self hatred is. And then Phoebe had the great punch

spk_1:   1:44:55
line. My advice is probably go to church, which got a huge laugh. So I thought, I'm happy

spk_0:   1:45:01
new to stop there. Well, she did say it was your last question. So that worked.

spk_1:   1:45:05
I personally don't know what sexualized it sounds kind of said, Well, I I guess I

spk_0:   1:45:10
took it as, like, I hate myself. And so I'm going to basically What, fleabag? I hate myself. So I'm going to channel that into casual sex. Yeah, So that it helped her in a roundabout

spk_1:   1:45:23
way. Yeah, she had more. Thanks. All right, So show. And so is the real story. That's why you're really

spk_0:   1:45:31
here. You all are like one of these to Bishop. Stop talking. Get to the good stuff that Yeah. So then this is where I started to try to hand stickers out. Two people got the cold shoulder from people. Yes. So we all go out the lobby and kind of mingling around. And now there's a crowd gathering at

spk_1:   1:45:46
the stage door. So we're sweeping the stage stage door were, like, ready to quickly hand her a sticker. If she comes out just like we know we existed. So she could be like, wow. Want to interview me and then become best friends? Yeah. Can I be on your part? I'll text

spk_0:   1:45:59
you, then you'll have my numbers

spk_1:   1:46:01
like No, exactly. Um, so then after, like, 15 minutes wait. And we realized there was another stage door behind It was just the exit from the front. I think I think it was the same thing. I think it was just the front ago. All right, well, we're like, it was like

spk_0:   1:46:15
it was a street front theater on it. And so they were, like, maybe like, three or four doors to go into. And I think she just

spk_1:   1:46:22
Yeah, when we were at the

spk_0:   1:46:24
side of the stage door, closer to the entrances to the theater. So we kind of saw a little bit of a commotion happening behind us,

spk_1:   1:46:32
because I remember looking back and being, like, there's a black car parked outside of that door. So I think we're in the wrong spot, and right to a second later, they, like, hurry her out. Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, but

spk_0:   1:46:45
we heard then a well, a girl walked by and I just like, relished and walking by and looking at a two group like

spk_1:   1:46:51
she just left Master. Thanks. So that people started dissipating as they really she's gone. And then I'm Chrissy and me in and said Nina and I saw the car stuck in traffic. So we were like because she liked it. Since black Cartman, like Times Square is not gonna go anywhere, Right? So we kind of were just walking slowly and we, like, took it. Me and Christy took like, a joke self. The car behind us being like Ha, ha! We got a selfie with the baby, technically like she's in there, I don't know. And then so then that was kind of a cute like are a fine whatever. That's cute, right? But then so were like, Let's just walk that direction. Yeah, we'll just want, like, a company cars. It doesn't know why her car and we land, we glance the car, the windows rolled down halfway. Yes. So she looks out at us at us. The four of the four of us specifically? Yes, because we had kind of

spk_0:   1:47:45
started walking before the rest of the group. Really?

spk_1:   1:47:47
They were still waiting.

spk_0:   1:47:48
They were kind of still word was still spreading.

spk_1:   1:47:50
Yes. So she starts like, waving at us and blowing all these kisses at us. And I mean, because we're the center of the universe. It was definite, just us. But I think it was just somebody else, like around. We're holding our books. It was a really good way We love kisses back. Totally delightful. So then we went on our way, and we were kind of We had our moment gleeful and like we got a little nice uniquely cap on the evening. But then, right other people started to notice. Her window is down like the crowd likes just really coming. And traffic is not moving. Yeah, I mean, just the satellite 10 feet away, right there at a stoplight, right? And she was waving. And then so then always feel like rushed the car. The car does not move a single inch, thanks to New York City traffic. Thanks, New York. And And she was really kind. It was I was actually surprised, too, because they like Castor out. But then she was, like, available in the cop. But then a couple people,

spk_0:   1:48:46
Then the first time someone put up their camera. Take a selfish,

spk_1:   1:48:48
sick No, no, no. And she,

spk_0:   1:48:49
like, closed the window like she didn't want a picture. And then then

spk_1:   1:48:53
she rolled it back down. And then she did take cells like, Yeah, like, All right, fine.

spk_0:   1:48:57
I'm going to New York

spk_1:   1:48:58
City traffic. Um, so So, yes. So And I didn't so I don't know. I had, like, this complex. I was like, She's a normal person. And we're just both too. We're two normal people, and it's like you don't want to treat her any differently low. But then I was like, Fuck that. Like I was like, It's not like I completely idolized her talent and humor in writing and acting and hair and that big uterus energy and like, whatever. So I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna be above it all. I'm not gonna go take a selfie or two cost her. He's gonna walk up and hand her a sticker, a podcast sticker. So she knows we exist. That's only thing I just wanted. We wanted her to

spk_0:   1:49:38
know she is at this point, I'm recording people going up to her, and I'm taking the filming

spk_1:   1:49:43
it so I'm not not not

spk_0:   1:49:45
knowing you have this whole

spk_1:   1:49:46
Oh, I didn't know that. No, I was just like, Oh, this will be good content. Like

spk_0:   1:49:50
people seeing her, waving at fans and being in the car. I was just being old druid. Bodily

spk_1:   1:49:56
funny. Okay, I had No, because that I was

spk_0:   1:49:57
doing that. And I heard you go. Should I just go over and give us?

spk_1:   1:50:01
Yeah. And little traffic wasn't

spk_0:   1:50:03
moving. And, you know, this was my thought. If Allie is brave enough to do that, yes, go do it. Because I'm not. And and so I was like, Yes, go.

spk_1:   1:50:11
You could hear me on the video. Go, go, go, Go. So then I e I just

spk_0:   1:50:16
love you. See her come in like this, little like hornet

spk_1:   1:50:20
e I, like, move around everybody. But But once I got closer, the red sea like parted and it was there was, like, a kind of relax us. They thought this lady has been I was on a mission. Yes. She must know her. Yeah, Yeah, it just goes to show you act like, you know, total.

spk_0:   1:50:38
Where you going? You know where you belong. There.

spk_1:   1:50:40
So anyway, all of a sudden I'm like So there's only six people that were crowding the window and then all of a sudden they were just not there anymore. My God, it was just me in her window, five inches away from her face, And I did. I was because I was. I know it's your It's a weird moment cause your body I, like, idolized the hell you're on my dinner list like it's the Obama's and Tina Fey and Phoebe Marr Bridge, Amy Poehler and Donald Glover done. That's it. And I already met to. Now I've got two of those people anyway. But point being it was like, This is bit is big news, so But I want I was still also in my head about

spk_0:   1:51:17
like Beachill. Be far right? Normal, cool person, Right?

spk_1:   1:51:20
So I was like, Can I give this to you? Hand must smart

spk_0:   1:51:24
because someone just coming at you with something in their hand. Yeah. You don't know what you know. What the fuck

spk_1:   1:51:29
that it starts. Can I give this you? I said

spk_0:   1:51:32
and she was like, I don't

spk_1:   1:51:33
have a choice. I took it and I said, we have a podcast about you, which is not accurate. But, you know, I panicked and I was like and she was like, What? Wow. And you can kind of hear that in the video, which is good, cause I completely forgot what I blacked out. And and she was like, Well, thank you. And I, like it's really, really nerdy. And then I think I just like so thank you. And then I, like, ran away. So she was about to be like, Wait, let me get your own. She's gone. She disappeared. Was she ever really here? Wait, I wanna be your friend. Oh, she ran away. But,

spk_0:   1:52:18
Phoebe, you know how to get you know how to contact. Now you Now you nose on the sticker. I said cut Thio because

spk_1:   1:52:24
while I was in the video one my friends like, Oh, my God,

spk_0:   1:52:27
she's totally gonna listen all my country like a crumpled up sticker underneath.

spk_1:   1:52:30
I know, but you see, actually, you see her through the window. She likes shakes it. Oh, Have you noticed the hell you like? She kind of like. And then I see you put it down

spk_0:   1:52:38
somewhere. It might be a garbage can I don't know, but she liked puts it down. Yeah,

spk_1:   1:52:42
I'm gonna have to analyze the shit out of that video again. And if you would like to watch this video, it is also on our instagram way. We will. We will be on our Instagram highlands by the time you listen to this. Alley was also in our Facebook group. Um so witness one of the top moments of my life. Well, you were genuinely shell show. I was I was like, Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So I know this

spk_0:   1:53:07
feeling from the under Scott interaction where you walk away going All the things

spk_1:   1:53:11
like that was terrible. This was That was awful. I blew it. I felt like I didn't like a blue, but I was like, the podcast is not about her. And I came off as so much more of a stalker. I mean, obviously we're pretty obsessed, but like, there's the podcast is about, like, what? Fleabag three bag and the solid about Andrew Scott and other characters. Also bring a Brown and Liz Gilbert and Tina, You know, it's like there's number. It's a variety. Yeah, that's about it. I'm not just like this week's episode Feed these teeth. What did she have braces through each one, E J individual. Starting with her crown. Thank you. Because you like that. Now, where is Supes? His crown. I'm sorry. You like related thing I could think of. But anyway, it was a very, very high.

spk_0:   1:54:04
The original pilot of the crown was actually about Dennis. The writing's on your molars. Yeah, the royal dentist.

spk_1:   1:54:13
So I remember walking away, but I apparently did.

spk_0:   1:54:16
So here's my She came back and we were just like, Oh, my God, I can't believe you did that. Tell us about it. And then she was just like, I can't like. She just was really, like, literally, almost like fanning yourself.

spk_1:   1:54:27
So we're, like, staying in the middle of

spk_0:   1:54:28
Times Square just like, uh, having a watcher car turn off into the night? Yes, eventually the traffic Did you allow her to leave? And then yeah, we went for a drink, and Allie was just like, I need to be in my phone

spk_1:   1:54:39
for me, like I was rude, but I need to write it, but you don't raise anxiety is a strange fucking thing. Because like you were handing out stickers to people. I could not bring myself to do that. But when it came to like a costing one of my dream dinner guests in her car and she's trying to leave like I don't even have a house, just like I should go do this. And then I did it. So you know what? Brains or dumb, it worked. It was really good. I would say that the Delta flight

spk_0:   1:55:05
changed for me to change my flight. To go to New York was very It was also well, and I will say me giving out podcast stickers to the car. Not very successful. There

spk_1:   1:55:16
were a few tried. Well, I would basically there was like a group

spk_0:   1:55:19
people I was gonna be like,

spk_1:   1:55:20
Hey, we have a fan podcast about flea bag

spk_0:   1:55:23
and if you guys are interested in, like we're breaking down the show scene by scene and

spk_1:   1:55:28
I couldn't bring myself to do that and there were people were like, Oh, cool. And then there was literally woman she liked, looked at the sticker and

spk_0:   1:55:34
just, like, looked like just stared straight ahead, like what you like about like handing your garbage. I'm sorry New York. Why are you giving me this? So yeah, I just was, like

spk_1:   1:55:42
about you. Great. Uh, anyway, so it was That was a rush. It was a great way to end it. And it was because people were like, Did you get to meet her? Like, I think what I love watching

spk_0:   1:55:53
that video is you do stand out by not winning a photo

spk_1:   1:55:56
because I wanted to make a point. I didn't want to let you be obnoxious. We don't happen. Like, in a way. It's like, Well, we don't have the

spk_0:   1:56:02
selfie. That's like, Oh, this is our like moment. But you have that moment now. She

spk_1:   1:56:07
very at the very least,

spk_0:   1:56:08
has heard there is a podcast, so who knows? But it it made the trip worth it to

spk_1:   1:56:14
me because the event itself

spk_0:   1:56:16
I thought was good. I will confess I came out of it a little disappointed, I think, just in the shortness of it. And then again, my event horizon nerdiness of like

spk_1:   1:56:25
there are so many things that she healed. Okay, well, I just like there are so many things they didn't talk about. Um, it's hard to it. Would it would have been hard to be satisfied. Right? So that moment

spk_0:   1:56:35
made it really special. And it was also a very New York moment.

spk_1:   1:56:39
Yeah, And when do you do some shit? Like? Exactly. So? So that's what I did. It was really great at so welcome. Phoebe Waller Bridge to our listeners. If you if you got through the won't talk cost you. Yeah, because we did have lunch. We were only saying, We do it once. We're super out of our system. Super professionally. Still in normal. Yeah. If only we

spk_0:   1:57:04
had had the podcast when I went to London. I could've

spk_1:   1:57:06
may. I am. You'll have to go next time.

spk_0:   1:57:10
Next time. All right. Uh, well, it's actually a decent hour for a change at, and this isn't a 1,000,000 hours long, so we better quit while we're ahead. Uh, you can email us at the fleabag situation at gmail dot com. You can find her facebook group were saying to search, flee back situation. Superfund.

spk_1:   1:57:32
Yeah, Playback situation two for five. And instagram is

spk_0:   1:57:37
at flea back situation podcast. And we're doing the 25 days of fleabag. Yes. And then on our twitter were at fleabag podcasts

spk_1:   1:57:44
and check out our website. That fleabag podcast dot com and Ozzy, like e mail us. We get awesome email like people write us like paragraphs in paradise with their theories. Yeah, if you don't have any mail to talk about with this with yes, like we're here for you, right? And it gives us ideas, and then we'll talk about it. So there's, like, a back and forth, and we also have

spk_0:   1:58:03
that voicemail button where you can record a level three. Yeah, And I think at some point, we want to do just like a fan. Let's just talk to fans like me because I think every the theme of so much of what we get is like, I don't have anybody to talk to you about this show. So wait here talking about it. Yeah, as long as. And

spk_1:   1:58:21
if you have episode ideas for us to keep us going, tell us. Please way would like to do this as long as possible. As long as you'll have us right. We are, as we don't get a little over way are taking. We're taking a

spk_0:   1:58:36
break over Christmas over the holidays. So

spk_1:   1:58:39
thank you for correcting for the holidays. Holidays for me. I feel really respected anyway, that we're taking a

spk_0:   1:58:53
break through December. After this episode goes out, just kind of remember, Rita, reintroduce ourselves to our families and then the Golden Globes. We're gonna be on the 5th January, so we'll probably later that week. Then put out a recap of that assuming they win.

spk_1:   1:59:09
Yeah, otherwise, we like the other time it episode ox

spk_0:   1:59:13
gold gloves can go fuck themselves dot com. You know, I think it will be a very good night for everybody. And then yeah, Then we've got the scriptures that will be diving into so more to come And in the meantime, Happy holidays to everybody. We love you. We love you And we will get chatty with you soon.

spk_1:   1:59:31
Happy New Year A A. It's just the best you