Achieving Olympic Dreams

Ever wondered how Olympic athletes turn their dreams into reality? Join us as we sit down with Lizzy Cui, New Zealand's celebrated Olympic diver, who takes us on a journey from her early days as a young gymnast and swimmer to her triumphs on the Olympic stage. Lizzy shares a captivating account of her transition to diving at age nine, the moment she realized her Olympic ambitions, and her unforgettable experiences at the Rio 2016 Games. As she gears up for the Tokyo Olympics, Lizzy also opens up about her academic achievements, including her journalism degree and her plans to coach while pursuing a master's degree at LSU.

Our conversation takes a deep dive into the vital topics of mindset, mental health, and the influence of personal relationships on well-being. Lizzy bravely discusses her struggles with body image and her journey towards mental wellness through mindful practices like meditation and journaling. Emphasizing the power of therapy and the importance of a supportive environment, Lizzy sheds light on how positive relationships and self-compassion have been key to her personal growth and happiness. This chapter serves as a poignant reminder of the significance of mental health and the transformative impact of addressing it head-on.

In our final segments, we explore the holistic balance of mind, body, and spirit, and the empowering role of vulnerability. Lizzy shares her wisdom on expressing emotions and the profound benefits of being open about one's struggles. Reflecting on her own experiences, she underscores how vulnerability can foster healing and positively impact others. We also touch on the broader influence each of us can have by spreading positivity and love. To stay inspired by Lizzy's journey, follow her on Instagram and LinkedIn, and join our community on social media for more enriching discussions and feedback.

Chapters

• 0:00 Olympic Diver Discusses Career and Future
• 13:24 Mindset, Mental Health, and Relationships
• 18:17 Balancing Mind, Body, Spirit Harmony
• 23:16 Power of Vulnerability and Impact
• 27:46 Connect on Social Media for Impact

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

This is episode 36 with Olympic diver Lizzy Q. This is Pencil Leadership. My name is Chris Anderson. Finally realizing my master's degree only taught me so much. I decided to start on a journey to learn more about what it truly means to be a pencil leader and how we can leave a positive mark on people and the world around us. So each week, I'm going to bring you a topic or a guest that will help guide us on our way to grow and leave a positive mark wherever we go. So if you're ready, take out your pencils and let's begin. So today we are blessed to have Lizzie Q on Pencil Leadership Now.

Speaker 1: 0:43

Lizzie is a special guest. She is actually an Olympian. She's on the New Zealand Olympic team, she's a diver and she's also a five-time national champion and record holder. Now, a cool thing about Lizzie being on Olympic team is she was the first diver since the 92 games to be on New Zealand's team and she's also competing at LSU. She actually is working on a master's she just graduated but she holds the three meter record. She's a four-time SEC silver medalist and a seven-time NCAA All-American and one of the most decorated divers at LSU. So, lizzie, welcome to Pencil Leadership.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:25

No problem, super excited for you to share your story. Dig in a little bit of what it's like to be an Olympic athlete and just how you've grown through eating disorders and just as a person. So, I guess, start it. How long have you been diving?

Speaker 2: 1:40

So I started diving around age nine. I was always into my sport. I was a gymnast prior and a swimmer. And then, you know, I just bounced around sports as kids do. And, you know, diving just stuck. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the people I was around. So, yeah, I don't know why it stuck, but it just did. And here I am 13 years later, 13, 14 years ago that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 2:10

So when did you know that you're? You're decent at diving or pretty good at diving um, I've always been a competitive person.

Speaker 2: 2:18

I just I've always wanted to be good at whatever I do. Um, I knew that I was pretty talented, but I never really had a drive to be the best. I just was having fun and wanted to do whatever I was doing. Well, it wasn't until I'd say I'm not sure what age, but I think around 14, maybe 15, then I just started thinking about the Olympics and where it would go. So I think around there.

Speaker 1: 2:49

That's awesome. So how old were you when you joined the Olympic team?

Speaker 2: 2:54

So I was 18 when I qualified and it was my 19th birthday when I competed.

Speaker 1: 3:00

That's so cool. How'd it go? How was that like, Like, what is that? The feelings, emotions of being in the Olympics?

Speaker 2: 3:08

It's such a hard thing to reflect on. I bet. Because it's like most athletes dream to. You know, just for some athletes it seems like out of reach, and even for me it did seem out of reach. So when I qualified, it really did take me by surprise. But I can't explain how much joy that gave me and like I just I couldn't believe it and I still, honestly, haven't fully processed it um but it was an absolutely life-changing experience and, like I wish I could go do it again yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:41

Are you now? Are you eyeing tokyo?

Speaker 2: 3:42

if they, yeah so I've actually qualified for tokyo, so I will be doing your answer um, thank you, it's it's. It's gonna be different this time. Knowing what I did, um in 2016, it'll be more of a. I think I'll be able to take it in more and really appreciate everything. Um, yeah, I'm sure, especially now, since we're waiting a whole nother year. It will just mean that much more.

Speaker 1: 4:05

That's so cool though. That's awesome. Yeah, I think it's. It's how you said like you're competitive, but you weren't ever like kind of focused on like being the best, like you're still now succeeding and being one of the best at LSU and being in the Olympics, and so how, how long do you see yourself diving? I don't know divers careers and things like that, but do you see yourself doing it for a long time?

Speaker 2: 4:30

um. So there's not very much money in diving as well, especially if you're from new zealand okay um, if I could get paid, you know really well, and just do this for the rest of my life, I would, but of course there's an age limit. You can't just be doing this for the rest of your life, I would, but of course there's an age limit.

Speaker 2: 4:44

You can't just be doing this for the rest of your life and I mean I have other aspirations outside, like my academic career and, but I don't know when that time comes, I'm going to reflect after the 2021 Olympics and, yeah, really like reflect on what I want to do. Am, am I ready to say goodbye? I think I will at least take a break and reflect on where I am. If my life takes me to a position where you know I can dive again and like it works out financially and I'm just happy, then of course I'll be doing that. But I don't know, we'll reflect after.

Speaker 1: 5:22

Yeah, maybe you could be like the New Zealand go-to coach for diving and maybe it'd be a bigger thing over there now.

Speaker 2: 5:29

Yeah, maybe I haven't really thought about coaching that much, but yeah, that's cool, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 5:35

So what are you going to school for?

Speaker 2: 5:38

So I was in school, just graduated in May, for journalism print journalism with a minor in business, and I'm going to get my master's as well as coach the LSU team as an assistant coach. So I'll be doing that and I'll be doing my master's in liberal arts, which is non-subject specific, so I get to choose. It gives me a little bit more flexibility. That choice has been a little bit harder than I anticipated, like what I exactly want to do with that time, but I think I'm going to take some science classes to just increase my knowledge for science writing, which is ultimately what I want to be doing cool.

Speaker 1: 6:16

So what would that look like? Writing science wise like yeah, so it's.

Speaker 2: 6:22

It's an interesting profession. It's not something that people usually do, especially journalists. They don't go into journalism thinking they're going to write about science, um, but I studied chemistry for a while. I studied chemistry for about three years, um, before I switched to journalism. Just with the sport and like the labs, I couldn't do it all, um, but I still wanted to be involved in the chemistry and the science. I think it's very interesting. So my job is to understand the science and convey it to the average reader in a way that they can understand and not have to, you know, go through an academic journal, because typically people don't like to do that.

Speaker 1: 7:03

Right, yeah, that's really cool. That's neat to see you want to go down that path because, yeah, I had not heard of it really much and so that's pretty neat. How is it so? My background was athletic training, so I kind of understand a little bit. But for you, how was that? Balancing one coming over from New Zealand and balancing school and and then diving and Olympics and all that how did you manage all that?

Speaker 2: 7:29

um, I think when you just grow up in sport, you are rushed and forced into managing your time, yeah, otherwise you will just fail. And so it's kind of something like you're just thrown in the deep end and you have to, just like learn to swim. And I, you know, in high school it was always like, I remember, like it's prom here, but like for me it's the ball, and like every year it would land on nationals. So I would go to nationals, compete and then just have to like turn around quickly, like go home, get dressed, you know, do my hair and makeup and that stuff, and then go straight to the ball and then, but get home early enough to sleep and it's like so it's. It's always a constant juggle, but as long as you have your priorities straight, um, but you're also having fun. I don't believe in giving up everything in order to do something. I think balance is key, um, and that's how I've enjoyed my sport for this long and still am enjoying it.

Speaker 1: 8:28

That's awesome. Yeah, I agree, I think balance is such a crucial thing, Cause I mean, if we're not enjoying what we're doing, if we're not enjoying the process and what's the what's the reason, you know what's the real purpose for it. So, yeah, you gotta be able to enjoy, enjoy the process Absolutely. But and I know that there's there's some struggles in your life that you've dealt with, and we'll get into that a little bit with the eating disorder and things like that. Did you find any other sort of like I don't want to say negatives, because I think we can grow from all of it, but trials throughout your life that really kind of helped you grow into who you are today.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Absolutely. I mean nothing you know worth having or nothing that's worth it is easy in life. I mean definitely with sport, not just physically, but just extremely mentally. It really does take a toll, and in New Zealand we don't get funding, especially. I was the only Olympian in that long and we had, like my parents had to fund everything. So if I had to go to a competition they had to pay for my flights, they had to pay for my uniform, they had to pay for everything. And my parents aren't wealthy, so it really took a toll. Luckily they believed in me enough to, you know, make it work. But it did get to a point where my parents were like we just can't afford this anymore.

Speaker 2: 9:48

I was about like 17 at this time and I thought about saying like, okay, I guess so. But I was like, no, I'm not ready to give up. So I went out and I approached businesses on my own. I did all of these different things, you know, and one bank, I think it's called the AMP bank. I didn't even remember applying for it, if I'm being honest, but I got an email saying that I was a finalist for a scholarship. Wow, and I had to go to this building and pretty much present why I should get this money. It was $10,000. And it wasn't just athletes, it was research grants, like all these different like really important things. So I'm like standing there trying to tell them why they should give me this money instead of somebody's research. And I ended up getting one of the grants and like that was really huge for me because it was such a struggle, but the reward and like seeing people believe in me enough really drove me to realize that this sport is so much more than myself. I can motivate other people.

Speaker 2: 10:53

So that's definitely one of the struggles that I've had is just like financially, which is, I think it's a bit of an odd struggle. For a person at my level, like I still struggle with it now. New Zealand just doesn't have as much money to put into sport. For a person at my level, like I still struggle with it now, um, just because new zealand just doesn't have as much money to put into sport. Um, but that's partly why I came to america, because they just have an abundance of sources, you know, like it's amazing. Um. And then, as you know, like the eating disorder, I posted a video about it. Um, just talking about it and yeah, so that was definitely another one. Just Just the pressure to perform gets to everyone, even if you are a relaxed person. I think when you're at this high of a level, when you have such big dreams, it's really hard not to compare yourself, it's really hard not to criticize yourself, and that's something that I still struggle with, like today.

Speaker 1: 11:43

Right, yeah, and thank you for being transparent and being open. I think that that really can start helping a lot of people when they hear someone like you share and come and be open about that. I think it can really help a lot of people grow, and so that's really cool that you're transparent with it. When when did the when did the eating disorder kind of start, or when did you like kind of notice?

Speaker 2: 12:08

Um, so it's one of those things that you tell yourself you're okay, uh, you got it under control, especially as an athlete like, yeah, you're just like, yep, it's fine, this is like all my. You know, I, I'm in full control about what I'm doing. Yeah, and I guess it started as early as like senior of high school not as bad, it's not until I got into college and I got, you know, more competitive with competitions back to back, and I don't even know exactly where that pressure came from probably myself a lot of the time, because we are just naturally hard on ourselves and it just blinded me to the fact of like any positives that I was. It was just full of negatives and I was just in a dark place. I think I was a little bit burnt out.

Speaker 2: 12:57

Yeah, continued all the way through like junior year. It wasn't like until I started seeing a therapist and you know, really talking about it and just getting healthy and how I view my emotions and just being able to process all of that. That helped me recover. And I'm still like you know, I'm nowhere near as like that I was, but I still struggle with that. The body image, the food struggle, you know all of that stuff that a lot of people struggle with.

Speaker 1: 13:30

Yeah, wow, that's, that's so you kind of took control of it. Then you realize and you're like, okay, I gotta, I gotta take positive steps to reverse this yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2: 13:40

I mean, the first thing is to admit that there's something wrong, and for a long time I thought there is something wrong, but it's okay, it's not that bad. Um, and I actually had to treat it like no, this is not healthy, and I started doing a lot of meditation. That helped me a lot and it just made me realize how much our body does for us, and I would never treat another person the way I treated myself. So why am I treating myself that way? Wow, and that's what I bring myself back to. When I start criticizing my anything to do with myself, I start thinking wait, like my body is incredible. It does all these things for me. I should nourish it and take care of it.

Speaker 1: 14:21

That's that Wow, that's really cool. It kind of goes back to like the golden rule treat others the way you want to be treated. So like would you treat somebody that way, how you're looking at yourself, and that's wow. That's a. That's really eyeopening and really kind of a strong position to come from. And you said, like seeing a therapist was a big positive change for you too, right.

Speaker 2: 14:43

Yeah, really opened my eyes to the importance of mental health and just an awareness that I didn't have before. It was like I was going through the motions and it is the brain is, you know, so important? And we, we, we work out, we eat right, we do all of these things. But so often people neglect the brain and, like our mental health, it's like anything you need to exercise, that you need to practice. That's why I like to do meditation and journaling and seeing a therapist, all these different things, because it's so important. It really really does make a difference and I think it starts with your mental health. If your mental health is good, then most other things are good in your life.

Speaker 1: 15:26

And that's yeah, I agree completely with that. I think everything kind of stems from the mindset, from the brain, and because that's a control center, I mean, so it's going to control emotions, it's going to control actions, and so, yeah, I think you hit it spot on with that. So you still see a therapist then.

Speaker 2: 15:45

On and off. I don't see that as often, but it is very good to check up. You know, like I, I I recommend anyone If you think that you have problems. If you think you don't, it doesn't matter it, I recommend anyone If you think that you have problems.

Speaker 2: 15:58

If you think you don't, it doesn't matter, it's still healthy too. Amen, and just talking to somebody. If you don't have enough money for a therapist, completely understand, but there are other outlets. Find a close friend or somebody who will just listen to you unconditionally and just allow you to voice what is going on, what you think, because a lot of people don't even know actually how they're feeling, right, yeah, so I really recommend you know working on your mental health.

Speaker 1: 16:34

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm with you. I'm always a proponent for, for seeking counseling or therapists because, yeah, my story, same thing, that what changed me, besides having mentors coming in and speaking positive in my life, that was a big turning point. So, yeah, I'm, I think it's crucial and I think it's so important and nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with seeking help in that form. It's, it's a sign of strength in my book to be able to do that.

Speaker 2: 16:51

And I think a lot has, like you know, over the years, I've really realized that who you surround yourself with, what you listen to, all those things on a daily basis, is really, really important. If you are listening to negativity, if you're surrounded by people who treat other people bad and treat you bad, your life isn't going to be happy, it's not going to be abundant, it's not going to be. You know, it's not going to be happy, it's not going to be abundant, it's not going to be, you know, it's not gonna be healthy. So I really do believe in, like manifesting what you want, seeing that vision and surrounding yourself with people who are going to help you and you're going to help them. Like I don't, I don't ask for something from anyone that I'm not willing to put out myself, like I genuinely care about the people around me and those people genuinely care about me. It's like, you know, it's an equal relationship.

Speaker 1: 17:39

Yeah, and I think that's that's right on. I have some mentors in it. They say who you tune into, you turn into uh, and who has your ear has your life. And they say that constantly. It's so true. Like uh, and everyone's probably heard it, you're the sum of the five people you are around. And everyone's probably heard it You're the sum of the five people you are around. A friend of mine who's does the same thing I do, he said if you hang around five successful people, you'll be the sixth, but if you hang around five ignorant people, you'll be the sixth. And so it's so crucial who we hang around, and I think it really does make a huge difference.

Speaker 2: 18:17

That's true and I mean I think in our, our youth, we, we don't really think about that as much. Um, I mean, I know that I I definitely didn't like think about that actively, um, like earlier in my life. But I think you know, once you, once you grow up, you mature a little bit and if you have big goals and dreams, you need to start thinking about how you're actually going to make that happen. It's up to you. Nobody's going to come pick you up and you know, give you all these opportunities. You have to do it yourself.

Speaker 1: 18:46

Yeah, yeah, you got the action. You got to put the action in and put the work in for sure, and I like how you took action going and seeing a therapist and then working on your mental health. And you mentioned meditation and journaling. Are those the main two things you use to work on your mindset and your thoughts and your brain, or do you do other things as well?

Speaker 2: 19:09

It's that, but it's a continuing process. I've recently, like I think within the the past year, I've really started exploring my spirituality, um, and I think you know um being involved in in a church or in a, anything that you believe in, like whether that's, I don't know if you're a Muslim or if you're, you know if you're Buddhist, if you're Christian, anything that you believe buddhist if you're christian, anything that you believe, and I think that it's good to have a spiritual base, um, and so I started thinking, like mind, body and spirit, if those things are balanced in my life, I find that I'm happy and I'm functioning well. Um, but if, like you know, the mind and the body are great and the spiritual is down, or like the body is down and the mind and spirit, like they need to spirit, like they need to be in balance, they need to be in harmony, for me to be in harmony, so, and it just gives you, it humbles you to um to think about like what is your purpose here?

Speaker 2: 20:09

And um, and I've, it's just really helped me like discover like what I want to do on this earth and like I want to impact people in a positive way. And that gives you purpose and it's just humbling to know that it's not all about you, it's actually about everyone else.

Speaker 1: 20:24

Yep, absolutely I love it. Yeah, and it's kind of just the whole reason that I started pencil leadership was that same thing and just wanting to make a difference and and help people see their purpose in their and the passions that they have in life and be fulfilled. But, yeah, yeah, the you. You talking about the meditation, the journaling and the spirituality. I think, yeah, I think about my life, like if I'm, if I'm doing like the meditation and the journaling, but then I'm not getting in my Bible, um, reading there I'm still lacking. So I can I notice a difference, uh, or if I'm not reflecting journaling on what I'm reading, uh, it kind of it's imbalanced. So it's like a trinity kind of three things there. That's I like that.

Speaker 2: 21:03

It's really cool yeah, that's really helped me a lot, it's the same like if you're like all into your bible but you don't work out ever and you eat pizza every night like that's not. That's not healthy either. You know it has to have to be working, it has to be all in harmony, um and so whenever I feel like not very good or I just feel like I'm not feeling great, I reflect on that. I'm like, okay, what am I doing for my body? What am I doing for my spirit? What am I doing for my mind? And like if I'm like, oh, I actually haven't done anything for my mind this week, like I, I will pick up my journal or I'll meditate or something like that, and it often makes me feel a lot better.

Speaker 1: 21:40

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's awesome. Yeah, I think everything's in tandem, I think everything works together, so it's a huge part of it. What would you, would you, what would you say to maybe athletes or just people in general who are listening to this, who who might be struggling with maybe not just an eating disorder, but maybe just feeling off, maybe not feeling fulfilled and maybe stressed, overwhelmed. What would maybe some advice you would give, just from your perspective?

Speaker 2: 22:08

Yeah, that's, that's a lot, but I think the number one thing is to to be patient with yourself. Give yourself grace, like realize that you're okay and that you are doing your best. Uh, and I would definitely suggest to talk to somebody that you trust, because I I really believe that if you're holding on to emotions, they're going to come out in some way, shape or form, whether that's physical pain, whether that that's, you know, anger and frustration or sadness, it's going to come out. So, releasing that either on like a pen and paper and a diary, or, you know, talking to somebody, just getting it out there they don't need to offer any advice, just speaking your mind will take away off your shoulders. So I really think that would be the first step.

Speaker 1: 22:56

Yeah, I love it. I think that's so true Because I used to be real bad about internalizing everything, even good things like just keeping it all inside and just just build up, build up, build up and either make me sick or just make me kind of like blow up all at once and like whether that be anger, just kind of just getting down real quick and yeah. So I think getting it out on paper or in word or with somebody is so crucial. I think it's a huge part of growth and healing.

Speaker 2: 23:25

Absolutely. It's incredible how connected the mind and the body are. People think that they're different, but they're not. You know, often when you're super stressed, you get a cold or you get sick, and it's not a coincidence, it's because they're not. You know, often when you're super stressed, you you get a cold or you get sick, and it's not a coincidence, it's because they're out of whack. You need to. You need to treat the mind and the body the same and give it love and nourish it, not abuse it. But I mean, a lot of people internalize what they feel because they think that they need to be strong. They think that weakness you know vulnerability is weakness, but it's not. It's. It makes you stronger. It just benefits you in so many ways and it benefits somebody else. Just for them to listen to you be vulnerable allows them to feel like they can be vulnerable too.

Speaker 1: 24:11

Yeah, and that was a huge turning point for me was realizing that, like being vulnerable, like allowed others then in that vicinity to to be vulnerable. They're like, okay, if he's doing it, if he's opening up and maybe I can too. And and so my my mind went to okay, I'm helping people, like I'm being vulnerable, that's going to help somebody. Okay, I can deal with the maybe the anxiety or the stress of of being truthful and being open, but it could help somebody. So I think, yeah, vulnerability is is key.

Speaker 2: 24:44

Yeah, it really is, and that's like the video I posted with my friend. You know we had such great feedback from that to people that I had no idea that would struggle with such a thing. You know emailing me, messaging me, saying thank you for doing that and I just felt like so much joy knowing that. You know, even though we went through a struggle, that it was for a reason, and I really do believe everything happens for a reason. That's why any struggle that I go through, any trial, I take it as a positive, because maybe somebody else is going through a similar thing and I can help them.

Speaker 1: 25:20

Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, cause I, I, yeah, our journeys, I mean we learn, we go through hard times but yeah, like you said, it could be someone else's learning point, like they're be able to learn and grow from that even though we went through it. And the second trait of pencil leadership is that pencils have to be sharpened to be have a point and leave a mark, but they're going to be painful, but they're going to make you better, and so it's the same thing, kind of there. Like you put out, that's good I like that.

Speaker 1: 25:45

Thanks, yeah, so, um, well, I've I've really enjoyed this conversation, I think, uh, it really has brought a lot of value. Um, and so much good there. Before, I would love to hear your take on the fifth trait of pencil leadership, which is that we're all made for a reason. We all have a reason. We're here to leave a mark, and it could look different for different people when everything is said and done for you here on earth. What do you hope your mark is that's left?

Speaker 2: 26:20

here on earth. What do you hope your mark is? That's left. I just want to reach as many people as I can, like. I want to impact as many people as I can in a positive way, whether that be in sport, whether that just be as as a role model of love and friendship. I think we can impact anyone. You don't have to be an athlete, you can be just a person and you know, reaching out to somebody, being that listening ear, just showing them love, I think, leaves such a positive impact on them and I think I want to. I mean, I know that I want to do that as much as possible. So anything in my life I want to be spreading love, whether that be in my sport, whether that be in my career, you know, in anything that I do. So that's like my motivation forward is even when I'm training and it's hard, I know that I'm motivating little girls in New Zealand or anywhere, or even little boys or even old people anywhere to do something, so it's worth it.

Speaker 2: 27:14

It's not about me, it's about everyone else.

Speaker 1: 27:17

I love that. I love that so much. I'm really glad we connected and we're able to make this happen and for you to share. And again, thank you so much for taking time out. I look forward to what you do in the future because I know just with your determination and competitive spirit, you're going to accomplish so much and make such a big impact. You truly are a pencil leader in every aspect of that. So, lizzie, thank you so much for being on the show today.

Speaker 2: 27:43

Of course. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 27:45

Yeah, no problem. Before we hop off, I would love for you to share where people can connect with you as well.

Speaker 2: 27:51

Instagram is my most used platform. Linkedin as well. I've been using more for more academic purposes, but I'm always on email Instagram. I reply to my DMs as much as I can, so any questions, flick me a message and I'll reply.

Speaker 1: 28:10

Awesome. Yeah, guys, connect with her. She's got a great story, she's very motivating and, yeah, just get connected there. So, lizzie, again, thank you so much, of course, thank you. Thank you so much for tuning into today's show. If you enjoyed it, share this with someone else and make a positive impact on their life. Also, head on over and leave a five-star rating if you liked anything you heard today and let me know what you think so I can make this show better for you in the future. And go ahead and connect with me on Instagram at ChrisTAnderson. Love to hear from you. Now let's go out and make a difference as pencil leaders.