Navigating professional ambitions and family commitments while keeping your faith at the forefront can be challenging.
In this episode host, Helen Todd, and Chelsea Patterson Sobolik, an author, director of government relations for a nonprofit, and a new mother, talk about the challenges and triumphs Christian women face in the workplace and at home.
From discussing the guilt associated with pursuing career dreams while trying to be a wife and mother, to tackling the critical issues of racial and gender discrimination, they cover a gamut of concerns unique to Christian women in the workplace.
Find Chelsea Sobolik's book here: http://www.chelseapattersonsobolik.com/
Thanks for listening! Visit our website rfwma.org and follow us on Facebook and Instagram!
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Navigating professional ambitions and family commitments while keeping your faith at the forefront can be challenging.
In this episode host, Helen Todd, and Chelsea Patterson Sobolik, an author, director of government relations for a nonprofit, and a new mother, talk about the challenges and triumphs Christian women face in the workplace and at home.
From discussing the guilt associated with pursuing career dreams while trying to be a wife and mother, to tackling the critical issues of racial and gender discrimination, they cover a gamut of concerns unique to Christian women in the workplace.
Find Chelsea Sobolik's book here: http://www.chelseapattersonsobolik.com/
Thanks for listening! Visit our website rfwma.org and follow us on Facebook and Instagram!
Help us make more inspiring episodes: https://rfwma.org/give-support-the-podcast/
What if you had a guide who could tell you how to bridge a gap between who you are today and who you are destined to be? What if, each week, you could hear a story of someone who has tried and succeeded, or perhaps tried and failed but learned something in the process? Limitless Spirit is a weekly podcast where host Helen Todd interviews guests about topics and personal stories on defining life's purpose, pursuing personal growth and developing a deeper faith in Christ.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Limitless Spirit, the podcast that seeks to inspire and empower you to live for a greater purpose. I'm your host, helen Todd, and today we're going to talk about the role of Christian women in the workplace and the challenges we face in balancing our careers, family life and spiritual journey. In today's episode I talk with Chelsea Patterson Sobolek, who lives in Washington DC. She is an author and also has a very fast-paced career as the director of government relations for a nonprofit organization, and more recently, she stepped into motherhood as her and her husband adopted a baby boy from India. We are going to explore the unique perspectives and insights that Christian women bring to their professional lives and what is a healthy way to navigate motherhood and career without compromising your relationship with God. So grab a cup of coffee, settle into a comfortable space and let's embark on this journey together.
Speaker 2:Hi Chelsea, welcome to the Limitless Spirit podcast. How are you today? I'm well. Thanks so much for having me. I know it must be a very busy, happy and busy time in your life, as you just recently returned from India after you and your husband adopted your son, and so being a new mom is not easy. So how are you?
Speaker 3:handling this, oh my goodness. No, we are absolutely thrilled. So we welcomed our son home through international adoption, and international adoption is actually very near and dear to my family. I was actually adopted internationally when I was little, so it's such a pleasure to get to welcome our son home but also have something in common with his story. So we're good we are. We've been homeless in a month, so we're definitely still bonding and adjusting and settling in as a family of three. But we've been drinking lots of coffee because we've had some sleepless nights.
Speaker 2:But we're doing well, I can imagine. Yes. Yes, I'm curious, and your son being in like two and a half and he's already communicative, do you have any language barrier?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we adopted him from Northern India and they spoke Hindi in his part of India, so he's learning some English words. We learned a little bit of Hindi, but it's amazing how much you can communicate without words, whether it's facial expressions or you know whatnot. So he's definitely learning English and but we're able to communicate pretty well. But there is a language barrier right now, but thankfully, little people soak up language much quicker than big people, Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly. Actually, this is the best time for him to learn the language. A little harder for you to learn.
Speaker 1:Hindi, but for him to learn English.
Speaker 2:This is the most perfect time.
Speaker 2:So, he's going to be talking in no time. Yes, but I was just wondering. You know, I think raising a toddler you have a communication barrier, even if you speak the same language. They just have the mind of their own. But this puts you really in a very unique position, as we're going to talk about your recent book called To Cultivate a Gospel Vision for Women and Work, and I really was excited to talk to you as your book came across my desk, because I think you know, as women and women who work, we face some unique challenges and I think this book is very timely and hopefully it's going to answer some questions or inspire some of our listeners in their walk with Christ and their career. So let's start with what really prompted you to even write this book. It's a great question.
Speaker 3:So this book was born out of my own personal experience in the workplace. I'm in my mid-thirties and actually just now stepping into motherhood, which some women step into motherhood much earlier than I do. But my first book is actually about my story with infertility. But because I'm stepping into motherhood a little bit later, I have had, you know, dozen plus years of professional experience and I was working on Capitol Hill. I studied foreign policy in school, moved to DC and was working on Capitol Hill for a member of Congress who at the time I had so much respect for and really it was my dream job. I was getting to work on public policy issues that I cared about and loved it, and fortunately he resigned in the middle of the Me Too movement because of some things he did that he shouldn't have done, and what that did was on Capitol Hill, when a member of Congress leaves, the staff loses their job because they're working for that member of Congress and the people of that district. So he resigned and then we all lost our jobs.
Speaker 3:And so I was in this place of walking through something very difficult professionally, something very difficult professionally as a Christian and as a woman, and kind of realizing hey, there's not that many books on the bookshelves that talk about Christian women in the workplace, and so I've wrote the book I wish I had at the time, kind of navigating some of those questions I had of what do I do when I walk into a room and hear women gossiping about me, or what do I do when I experience gender discrimination in the workplace, and so this book really there's incredible books out there on calling vocation, work, all of that, but I didn't see that many tied to questions I was wrestling with as a Christian woman in the workplace.
Speaker 3:So I was really born out of my own wrestlings and my own questions and my own research. But my hope and desire and prayer is that every Christian woman who's working which is all of us, because some of us work in the home, some of us work outside the home and some of us do a combination of the two my hope is that it will really empower women, christian women, to think well about their work and well about how we should work, why we should work answering some of those questions that I think we really should pause and ponder, because we spent about a third of our lives working, so it's something we should think well about.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about working outside of the home. So there is a view out there that a Christian woman should not work outside the home and that once a woman gets married, she should devote her life to serving her family and working at home and raising children and taking care of home. And sometimes you know which. It's nice if your financial situation allows that and if that's something you want to do, but for some women it's not an option. So even if they want to be a stay at home mom or wife, they have to work outside the home and in that case they may feel guilty about that. So what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:It's a great question and I think it's a question that people of good faith have wrestled with for a long time. You know, what I would say is a couple of things. Number one I don't offer an answer to this question in the book because, frankly, there is no answer because our lives look so different. My life looks very different than yours, than you know, your listeners, and so I think it's really important for us to seek wisdom for our particular situation and season of life, and I love the concept of seasons. I write a lot about this in the book because, just as the world experiences for seasons or some places in the world experience.
Speaker 3:You know, summer, winter, fall, spring, our lives go in seasons and so, like I said, I'm in my mid 30s, stepping into motherhood. I know you have listeners who are probably 21 and just got married and already pregnant, and so our lives have looked, will look very different, and so what works for me might not work for someone else. But, like you said, some women don't have the option to stay home financially. I personally experienced this.
Speaker 3:So I think what's important is to pray and seek God's wisdom for our particular situation, invite counsel, you know, maybe sit down with your pastor, and then I think something that we need to think through too is maybe in this particular season we can't afford financially to stay home, or but that season might not last for 10 years.
Speaker 3:And so, thinking through the situation that the Lord has entrusted me with for now, and so he's going to be faithful to, to what he's called us to, and our financial situation did not surprise the Lord, and so, if you need to work and you might not want to, it's hard, I get it, it's really hard, it's not ideal, but I would say to trust the Lord in that this situation didn't surprise him and that we can trust him to take care of, to take care of us, and I think it's helpful to remember our calling is to be faithful, and so if faithfulness looks like right now in this season, working outside the home, that that is what we need to do faithfully.
Speaker 3:So again, I try not to answer that question in the book of here's, kind of a five step answer to that question, just because I think wisdom should undergird so much in those types of decisions. And I do want to say again very clearly it's hard, there's life is sometimes trade-offs and we can't have everything we want at the same time. And if you are in that situation and you don't want to work outside the home, but you need to trust the Lord with that, ask him to give you the desires of your heart to allow you to stay home if you want to, but in the evenings or the mornings or the weekends, really, really prioritize those times that you're able to be with family.
Speaker 2:Well, I think this is an excellent answer, because everything in life most likely is not the way that we want it to want to dream of or imagine, and it's about finding the beauty in the season you're in is because God is not surprised by your season and there's a reason why he's taking you through this time. Well, on the other end of the spectrum are women who are very passionate about career and have dreams, aspirations in a certain field, and when it comes into the reality of also being a wife and the mother, there is a tremendous amount of guilt. That is, I've lived through that because my work is ministry, so it's I'm serving the Lord as my career, but at the same time, I raised two children and there was so much guilt. I think womanhood is ridden with guilt, especially motherhood. There was always that guilt. I had to travel internationally and leave my kids behind sometimes, and so what would you tell women who feel guilty about being passionate or loving their careers?
Speaker 3:I love this question because I love to work. I've really I've loved what I've gotten to do professionally. I've had some incredible opportunities. I've, you know, in some ways had the highs and the lows. I was actually talking about this with my husband recently over dinner. We are I'm on maternity leave through the rest of this year and then start back in January.
Speaker 3:We're figuring out what that's going to point to look like and I was telling him I already feel this guilt and I can only imagine, you know, women who have multiple children or women who have been in this much, much longer. But I was also telling Michael I want my son to grow up seeing me loving him well, loving my husband well, but also I work still in public policy on behalf of refugee, refugee populations right now and I want my son to grow up seeing that I care deeply for my family and when I am there he has my full attention and I love him well. I also want him to see that his mom cares about vulnerable people around the world and I want him to see what it looks like to work hard for others and you know we might not all work in with vulnerable populations. You know work might be a breeze at a coffee shop or something like that. So there might be some roles that might be a little less of a direct line to how work is impacting the world. But you know, as a barista, you interact with people every single day and you have that opportunity to show the love and the light of Christ. So of course, my family is important to me, but I also want to train my son that his mom and dad care about things outside of the walls of our house, and home is incredibly important. I want it to be the most beautiful place for my son, but also there's so much happening outside the walls of our house that I want to teach him how to be a good citizen, how to care well for those that you know don't have what we have, how to love and to work hard.
Speaker 3:And so for women who might feel guilty for leaving or for going to work or, you know, maybe I feel guilty that I do care about my job as much as I do I would say that you know things are always in tension. We're always holding multiple cares and desires together. I think that's one of the things with women is, when a woman steps into wife and motherhood, things do look different. You know, men go back to work and it's always expected that they'll go back to work. But for women, if you want to go back to work, people might question that or not understand, but I think I would encourage women who fall in that end of the spectrum that God gave you those desires, and everything we do is teaching our children something, hopefully something about God, and God worked, god works, god calls humans to work with excellence and diligence and all of that, and so I would consider the lessons that you want to teach your children beyond the walls of your home.
Speaker 2:And let's throw this in there If you read Proverbs 31, it's nowhere it's said that she only worked inside her house. She was quite involved in many ventures, very successfully, and to me this is just the example of a woman who has it all a great career, a great family, a great house and I'm not sure where this notion came that women are called a godly woman is only called to work inside her house. I'm like you, I'm very passionate about what I do and I feel like it's not just a career to service to the Lord, and so I mean I never struggled with that.
Speaker 3:I did struggle with, you know, not being with my kids all the time of their lives, I would say too, when churches are, when, when we hold up the height of womanhood or the godliest type of woman as wife and mother, that excludes so many faithful women in the church and in history.
Speaker 3:Because God does not call every woman to step into, to being a wife or a mother, and those are godly, god ordained roles, but when we hold those things up as the godliest thing a woman can ever do, it's not true. It's not true in scripture, because the most important thing about us as women is love God, love neighbor. We can do that in any season, in any circumstance. We don't have to be married or have children to do that, and so I've prized these two roles. But God doesn't call every woman into those, or as quickly as we like, or all of those things, and so I do think it is detrimental to our single sisters and our childless sisters when we talk about wife and mother as the godliest thing someone can step into. So I'm really, I'm really glad you said that.
Speaker 2:I agree with this very much, and so, now that we have established that it's perfectly fine for a godly woman to seek a career outside of her household, let's talk about some of the challenges that a woman, and specifically a Christian woman, in the workplace faces. So you mentioned that you have experienced gender discrimination at the workplace, so can you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 3:Absolutely so. Like I said, I shared my story about working on Capitol Hill and losing my job, but there's also and that's a pretty extreme example, you know there's certainly women who walk through things like that, situations that are much, much worse. I would also say I've also experienced things in the workplace where it's almost assumed that women will check their femininity at the door of the workplace and then just act like a man in the workplace. And if you don't, you know I've been excluded from conversations or you know just smaller things, but it's because I'm a woman in the workplace or, you know, men will say things to me that they might not say to my male counterparts. Another component that I write about in the book and I include other voices on this topic is racial discrimination. I know so many women have experienced both racial discrimination and gender discrimination in the workplace, both of which, in US law, are illegal, but it still happens all the time, and so you know, for women who are experiencing one or the other or both, I would provide them that it is illegal. So if you're experiencing something like that, I would immediately go to HR. I think I write about this in the book, but that can sound like very, you know, almost obvious advice, but so many women actually don't go to HR because they're afraid of being retaliated against or of being, you know, a snitch or all these different things. I've walked with friends who have experienced gender discrimination in the workplace and I've personally gone with them to HR. So if you're experiencing a situation that you know is not right but you're afraid to report that up, I would say talk to a pastor, talk to you know a good girlfriend or even a guy friend who would be willing to sit in that conversation with you or hold your arms up as you're navigating that. Something that really touched my heart as I was watching this my boss, this man I'd respected and we can all.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, there's so many Christian leaders who have fallen over the past few years, men we held in high esteem and it was found out that their character was not what they portrayed. As I was watching that and really, really discouraged, I read through the Gospels and saw Jesus's treatment of women and it was so helpful for my soul to remember that my boss's treatment of women, so many other men's treatment of women, is not godly, it's wrong, it's sinful, and it seems so obvious to say that of course it's sinful to mistreat a woman anytime, anywhere, but so often people get away with it or the consequences aren't what they should be. But as I was reading through the Gospels again during that time of my life, seeing Jesus's completely counter-cultural treatment of women and how he spoke to them, how he interacted with them, how he included them in the grand gospel narrative Women were the first of the two. Women were there every step of the way it was encouraging for me to remember that Christ set the example and Christ cares about women.
Speaker 3:Even when I've been mistreated, even when we've been not treated as we ought to as women. That that's wrong, that's not okay. We should push back against that but also remembering that Christ doesn't treat me that way as a woman. Christ does not care about. Christ cares about women in such a revolutionary way that the world doesn't. And so fixing my eyes on Christ in those moments when I've been slighted or I've been hurt or I've been mistreated is helpful, because I remember Christ is perfect and Christ will love me as a God made me as a woman. He will care about me as a woman and as a woman I can use my voice to push back against the darkness wherever I see it, where, whether it's in the US and women are being mistreated here, or around the world, where women are being mistreated simply because they're women.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about another challenge that women face in the workplace and is often feeling like their work doesn't really matter, like it's meaningless, it's meanial, it's nobody's gonna live or die because of what they do, that they're not being seen. You know when they're doing a good job and putting all their heart into it. So do you address some of these issues in your book?
Speaker 3:I do and I love this question because I have felt this way. There was one job I had where I cried on my way to work every day for about six months. My boss was very unkind to me with my, with his words, and I, you know, wasn't doing work that I enjoyed at all, but at the time I needed to help pay the bills for our family. So I get it. I really do, and you know, there's so many women, whether we're changing diapers in the home and that's our work right now and we feel like all of the work we do at the home is undone. Every day we have to clean again, we have to do laundry, all these things.
Speaker 3:Or, you know, you might be stocking shelves at a Walmart and feeling like how on earth is this glorifying the Lord and helping love my neighbor? Let's say several things. Number one, and this has encouraged me in so many moments of my life God sees everything. Nothing is hidden from the Lord. Those unseen moments, those unseen labors, where maybe you're caring for an aging parent or you're doing, you're sending an email that you know someone's gonna pick apart with a pen, you know, tear it apart or whatever that work is that you just think, lord, I don't enjoy this, I don't understand this. I'm doing this because it's what I have to do, but I don't like it. That work is not wasted, that work is not in vain, because so many times in my personal life it's been in those more hidden seasons of life where God really really strips me of my comforts, of what I think is successful, and really starts to work on my heart. And so I would remember, if you're in that season, god sees that work and it is not in vain.
Speaker 3:And then I think the second thing as Christians, as we're reorienting our vision for work and what successful work looks like, christians are called. I think we are called to work hard with excellence. We should strive for success, but working hard and wanting to be excellent in our work does not always equal success. So our calling again, I do believe we should work hard with excellence, but our ultimate calling is for faithfulness. And so you know again, depending on your season of life, strive for faithfulness and remember this has helped me in those jobs where I just bang my head against a wall.
Speaker 3:Everything we do at a workplace or in home or in all of life, is telling the watching world something about Christ, and in that job that I mentioned, where I cried every day when I went to work, I was one of the only Christians that I knew of, and I had so many opportunities to pour into my coworkers. You know, we would be walking to get lunch and a conversation would start about why I worked differently or why I didn't gossip or why I didn't get drunk on Friday nights or things like that, and I had so many opportunities to share the good news of my hope and why I could choose to be faithful in this unseen labor. And so God doesn't waste anything. No season, even those seasons that feel barren, no season is wasted in God's economy, and so I would just encourage that woman.
Speaker 3:If you're feeling unseen or taken advantage of, you know none of my work matters. All of this. It does matter to God's kingdom. It matters today because you, stalking those shelves at Walmart, is helping love your neighbor by making sure there's food there. It's helping the world run, but ultimately it is. You have the opportunity to point others to God. We're ambassadors of Christ, so that means everything we do and say is telling the world bits and pieces about God's character, what he cares about, who he loves, how he loves, and so nothing is wasted and nothing is in vain.
Speaker 2:So I want us to talk about the concept of Sabbath Thrust. I shared with you that, you know, as my children were young and I was dealing with balancing my professional life and my home life by just making sure that I do it all. And you know, now, looking back, I realized that, yes, I did it all, but it was at sometimes at the expense of my personal well-being, even physical well-being. You know, yes, you can do it all, but something gets sacrificed. And so I'm only right now, at this point in my life, and learning about the importance of rest, you know, and Sabbath, and taking it literally, not as just spiritual Sabbath, you know, in my relationship with God, but physical rest and the importance of that. So what are your thoughts on that? How should women in a very fast-paced world and a very busy life can find that time? I would say it's important.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, christians ought to view time differently, because in the very first pages of scripture we obviously see God at work. We also see God cease his work, and he didn't have to. He did not get tired. You know, we know that God never sleeps, but what he was doing when he worked six days and rested the seventh was modeling in the very fabrics of how he created the world and set it up to run. He's modeling and teaching humans how they ought to structure their lives and their time.
Speaker 3:You know this question of can we have it all? Can we do it all? I mean, I can't, I certainly can't. And that's where I love the concept of seasons, because you know, like I said, I'm stepping into motherhood. You know, something has to give because I need sleep. So our house might be messier right now, and that's okay, but we have built into the fabric daily Sabbath, little daily Sabbaths, when we sleep. All of us need sleep, all of us go to bed.
Speaker 3:And then I think we should set aside at least a day a week it doesn't necessarily have to be Sunday, but a day a week to not work as much as possible. Of course we still have to feed ourselves and all that kind of stuff. But I think it's important because, at least for me, what it does is not only give me physical rest, mental rest, all of that. It also is doing something to my soul which is reminding me that I'm not limitless, and there have been times where I have stayed up way too late, trying to cram in more and more, or I haven't observed a regular day of rest. And I'm teaching myself when I do that that I'm I'm a God, I'm limitless. And of course we know that that's not true. We are not like God in that way, and I've actually had several big burnouts when I've done that, and so I've had to restructure my life in a way that I have that rest so that I can sustain the work I want to do for the long term.
Speaker 3:But it teaches me, and I think regularly ceasing from work and saying you know, I don't know about you my to-do list most days is longer at the end of the day than the beginning, and it can be very frustrating to feel like I've worked and worked, and worked and worked and there's still so much to do. And when we get there, it's a choice. We can choose to keep working and you know, there might be extreme situations where we have to keep working, but most days everything on our to-do list that we didn't get done will be just fine until the next day and we can choose to say I've been, I've worked hard, I've been faithful to what God has called me to. In this day, now I'm choosing to rest. Now I'm choosing that, while I go to sleep or while I take a Sunday off, that God's going to sustain the world. And so I think a regular Sabbath does two things it teaches us that we are not limitless. I need that reminder. And number two, it ought to remind us of God's power and sufficiency and strength because, as the hymn goes, he's got the whole world in his hands, and I think we can often place burdens on our back that we're never meant to be there. We're not meant to carry the world. He is, and I think, remembering we can work or work hard and rest. And when we're resting maybe your listeners are like me I do feel guilty, like, oh, I should be working, there's someone should do.
Speaker 3:But over time, slowly, my heart is learning. It does feel like there's a lot to do, but God is sustaining everything. I'm replaceable. You know. I could, the world would be just fine without my work. I'm thankful the Lord invites me to participate but I am replaceable. But God, god is sustaining everything. And those two reminders for me I mean I need them daily. I really do. But those two things I think are helpful as I reorient my mind but then reorient my body around what is true of what I want to be true in my spirit, that I trust God. And sometimes submitting my body to rest even when I don't feel like it or feel like I want to keep working, it feels like an act of trust. Rest has not come naturally for me. It feels like a huge act of trust when I step back.
Speaker 2:So we're going to post a link to your book so that our listeners could easily access it. But, in conclusion, what would you say to our listeners? What should they hope to learn from your book?
Speaker 3:Some of the highlights I would say, your work matters throughout human history, from the very first humans out of a need. Throughout human history, women have played such a vital role in the flourishing of their families, their churches and their communities. In one portion of the book I outline all the different ways Scripture includes women and highlights women in the Old Testament and the New, but I also highlight some of the vital ways that women have contributed to the flourishing of society. You know I mentioned we just got back from India Amy Carmichael, who went to India as a missionary. Women like Florence Nightingale, women in the first wave feminist movement, which was not like the feminist movement today, but the first wave Women were very concerned about the impact alcohol had on society and we can have a long conversation about you know, I think anyway we can have a long conversation there. But they pushed against that because they wanted their families to flourish and they wanted their communities to flourish. And so what we're doing right now, whether it's having a podcast conversation, changing a diaper, cooking a meal, being the CEO, making a cup of coffee in a coffee shop all of the work that God has called us to do, matters. It really, really matters because we're we're participating in what God has designed the flourishing of the world.
Speaker 3:Today, and I don't know about you I turn on the news and there's so much brokenness and darkness and so many people that are not flourishing. But we get to have the tiniest little part in helping the world flourish, whether that's in the walls of our home, outside or a combination of the two. So our work today matters, for today it really really does. Even if you don't feel like you're seen or valued or appreciated, god sees you. And then the second thing I would say is our work matters for eternity.
Speaker 3:What we're doing every single day work predated the fall, of course, the fall Mars it. What we're doing every day is practicing for eternity. I do think we're going to work in eternity because work is how God originally designed the world before the fall. But every single day, what we do today, matters for eternity. And so if you are in that place where you feel like no one sees or values or appreciates your work, remember that what you're doing today will matter, not only for today it does, but for eternity. And so these two things that we're holding my work matters today. My work can help me love God and love my neighbor, but also my work is going to matter for eternity. Those are very sobering truths for me, especially when I'm tempted to procrastinate or having a really hard day. But they're also beautiful, because what we do really matters, and so I would leave listeners with that that your work matters and your work is valuable.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Chelsea, for this conversation. Thank you for your very important book and I wish you all the best in your journey with motherhood and balancing your motherhood and your professional life. Sounds like you're on a great path. Thank you again for joining. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:When God created Adam and Eve, he gave them a mission to be fruitful and to multiply, and this applies to every aspect of our lives and, as Chelsea mentioned, to every season of our lives. I hope that today's discussion has shed some light on the ways that you can overcome challenges as a woman in a workplace. Remember, you're fearfully and wonderfully made and God has a purpose for you in every sphere of your life, including your career. Keep seeking his guidance and may his grace sustain you in all that you do. Thank you for tuning in and I encourage you to check the link in the show notes and pick up Chelsea's book, and I think that it will be a great blessing for you. It's the title of the book is called to cultivate a gospel vision for women and work Now if we take a step further.
Speaker 2:Being fruitful and multiplying also calls us to be disciples and make disciples across the world, and this is where I encourage you to check out our website, rfwmaorg, and find out how you can become involved in the Great Commission and take the gospel message and the hope and the love of Christ to people all across the world, Whether you are a man or a woman, whether you are young or you are older, whether you are working or you are retired, you have maybe you are a student you have this opportunity and the calling on your life to make disciples, and so we can get you plugged into this and find out how you can do it through a 10 day mission trip to a country where God is calling you to go. Again, I encourage you to check out our website rfwmaorg and find out how you can get involved. Thank you for tuning in. Until next time, I'm Helen Todd.