"But I didn't Sleep With Them" - Emotional Affairs - Ep 289

Not many would question whether or not having an affair can be very destructive to a marriage.  Some may argue that it can spice up your marriage or make life more interesting, but if we have to be honest, we at Rock Solid Families have never seen that outcome.  Infidelity comes at a cost and often it is the price of divorce and brokenness.  But what if we go so far as to connect with someone else through sharing of conversation, dreams, and even time together, but don't go so far as having sex?

Emotional affairs can be just as damaging as physical ones—could your marriage be at risk? In our latest episode, we dissect the often invisible line between innocent connections and emotional infidelity. By highlighting key warning signs like sharing personal dreams and secrets with someone outside the marriage, we provide you with essential knowledge to protect your relationship. Learn how small shifts in your thoughts, time, emotions, and intimacy can signal the start of an emotional affair, and discover proactive ways to safeguard your marital bond from these subtle, yet destructive, connections.

Understanding the progression of emotional affairs is crucial for any committed relationship. We'll walk you through the stages, from initial frequent thoughts about another person to the emotional shifts that can compromise your marriage. Distractions are everywhere, but knowing how to recognize and address these shifts can make all the difference. We emphasize the importance of staying vigilant and proactive to keep your relationship strong, offering practical insights to help you and your spouse navigate these challenges.

Strengthening your marriage requires daily effort and intentionality. This episode offers actionable strategies like prioritizing your spouse through shared activities and open communication. We discuss setting clear boundaries, such as the Billy Graham rule, to prevent situations that might lead to emotional affairs. Think of your relationship like a garden that needs regular care—by nurturing it intentionally, you can ensure it remains resilient against external pressures. Tune in to learn how to prioritize your spouse and fortify your marriage against potential threats.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Rock Solid Families podcast. Wow, we have a hot topic today. Hot pockets, hot topic. I'm Linda Hutchinson and I'm here with my husband, merle, and we're ready to talk about something. That man, it is a tough one.

Speaker 2: 0:19

Well, it is because it's such a fine line right, it's a fine line, and so we're probably going to step on toes, or even our own toes, where we thought well gosh, it wasn't that big of a deal.

Speaker 2: 0:32

But, guys, what we're going to talk about today is just the whole idea of having, like, an emotional affair, yeah, yeah. So oftentimes people think of the physical affair right, and it's not too difficult to wrap your head around the idea that, yeah, I could see where that could go wrong, but the emotional affair can get a little trickier.

Speaker 1: 0:52

Well, and people will say well, like I didn't sleep with them. Like I didn't have an affair, I didn't sleep with them, and so we're talking about really the signs of an emotional affair, like here are some warning signs, here are some things to look for and really watch out for and protect from. That really involves no physical intimacy, but can definitely be the catalyst of more things down the road.

Speaker 2: 1:15

You know what our friend Carl says.

Speaker 1: 1:17

What.

Speaker 2: 1:17

If you hang around a barbershop long enough, you're going to get a haircut. And that's kind of what the emotional affair is about, if you keep entertaining the idea and you keep sort of just opening that door. There's a very good chance that eventually you're going to walk through the door, and so that's kind of the deal here and again. We're not here to call anybody out in particular, as much as maybe this is worth giving a thought to.

Speaker 1: 1:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:45

And then let's give some ways that we can safeguard against it and hopefully, you know, secure the marriage a little bit better.

Speaker 1: 1:53

And really this show is not for people who have had affairs necessarily. It's for any couple that wants to protect their marriage, and so if you're married or you have a significant other and you want to protect that relationship, this show is for you, because we're really saying these are the things that you've got to guard against and watch out for. Yeah, before we do.

Speaker 2: 2:14

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Speaker 2: 3:13

A couple of quick announcements and we'll roll through those. Hey, do you remember? We have fitness classes here at Rocks, alabama.

Speaker 1: 3:18

I remember because I teach them in the morning.

Speaker 2: 3:20

You teach them I know and I need some. My classes are weak right now, guys, so I think we're going to work on my hours because they're running weak right now. But anyway, we run a Monday, wednesday, friday morning from eight to nine with what we call our finishing classes, due to a type of exercise that we do called finishing but it's a great fitness class. And then we do a Wednesday evening at 5 PM and we do a Saturday morning, which is more geared towards our dads, that's our.

Speaker 2: 3:48

Strong Dads class and that starts at 8. And we go from 8 to 9.30. So you know, if you want to get yourself back in shape or just maintain shape or just do some different type of fitness, come check us out at Rock Solid Families.

Speaker 1: 4:01

And we also on every fourth Saturday, which is kind of what's happening with your strong dads, is there's been some inconsistency because this class we teach every fourth Saturday, called Families Rock and it is at the Lawrenceburg Indiana Firehouse on Tate Street in Lawrenceburg Indiana.

Speaker 1: 4:16

It's from 8.30 to 12, and any parent, any adult, is welcome, whether it be a parent, grandparent, whether it be a guardian. We really try to work with co-parenting, especially very difficult dynamics, family dynamics. So we'd love for you to check it out and you can see all that on our website.

Speaker 2: 4:32

Yeah, and let's get into maybe a little bit of definition on what we're talking about with the emotional affair. So an emotional affair is when you have a close, more intimate relationship with someone outside of your marriage and you have an emotional connection where you find yourself sharing things that normally you might share with your spouse. But you're sharing, maybe, some of your dreams, some of your passions, some of your secrets, even with this other person that's outside of the marriage. It can even go on to sharing some of your fantasies.

Speaker 2: 5:07

And some of those fantasies, more than dreams, can turn sexual. So that's what this emotional affair thing is about, and what we're going to talk about today is just how it can start to leak into being way more than just an emotional affair. And I also think they're not the same thing, right, but anytime somebody steals your attention or anything steals your attention, so you could be having quote unquote an affair with your job right, you could be stealing all your energy.

Speaker 2: 5:42

all your dreams go to your job, all your passions. It could be your all your energy, all your dreams go to your job, all your passions. It could be your hobby, All of these things that pull away from the energy that you're putting into the marriage. But today, specifically, we're talking about the emotional affair with another person.

Speaker 1: 5:57

You know, hon, that makes me think, because you mentioned work and hobbies and stuff, and sometimes it's that common bond, where you are in that place together and you're sharing things in common, that starts to make them feel like, well, they just get me. They know me, they finish my sentences or we're on the same page with this, and so sometimes it's that environment that creates this feeling of wow, this person is different or special than my spouse.

Speaker 2: 6:23

Yeah, it's not unusual that a spouse you and your spouse may only have a couple hours a day where you're actually together, maybe a couple hours in the evening or whatever but you might be spending six, seven, eight hours alongside of somebody else. So they just they have a lot of your time and maybe even your heart and head space.

Speaker 1: 6:42

Well, Jesus warns us in Matthew 5, verse 27 and 28,. You have heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery, Jesus says. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully and that for a man, at that point too, you've already committed adultery in his or her heart. And so that's why emotional affairs are dangerous. And so we're gonna talk about why, the why behind the emotional affair.

Speaker 2: 7:08

Yeah, Well, and these are some of the signs that you will see that begin to happen, all right.

Speaker 2: 7:15

So, guys, you might want to get a pen or pencil or whatever and jot some of these down, because some of these might spark your own thought like, oh okay, these down, because some of these might spark your own thought like, oh okay. So when you have you're married, you have your partner and you get used to doing life together and you've had a common mind and the two shall become one. You've had a common mind on a lot of things. You've had common sharing of time and house and duties, but all of a sudden, one of the first things that you get is you start to get a mind shift, all right. And this is when your mind starts to be occupied, like we talked about just a second ago, starts to be occupied a little bit more frequently than maybe it was before by another person, and maybe even more so than your spouse. So, in other words, you're just driving down the road and you find yourself thinking about this person more.

Speaker 1: 8:07

Okay. And so when you got that quiet sort of time, that person's beginning to occupy some headspace and that person may know nothing about that other person, they may have no ill intentions, but you are starting to let that mind creep and shift, and then there's a time shift where, all of a sudden, you're spending a little bit more time at the gym or at work, or at the game, or at practice, and so you're spending more time and all of a sudden, this person becomes a priority over your spouse and their spouse starts, you know, a lot of times, get resentful and they don't even know why or what's going on, but they just know they don't like it.

Speaker 2: 8:47

Yeah, it starts with the mind shift, right. And when the mind starts thinking about them more, then that means you start to get these little cravings, and that's I crave to be around that person or to be connected a little bit more.

Speaker 2: 8:59

I want to, I want to check this out more, right. And so the time starts to increase. But then you start to see if this starts to go, basically, plant roots, right, it starts to grow. You start to see an emotional shift. You start to see that you care to hold this person, hold their heart differently, care about them more than just a friend or a co-worker, right, and you feel that they care about you as well, oftentimes right. And so, when the emotional connection comes, the reason why this is so important is because emotions are fuel, right. So if I Rock Solid Families, we say all the time it started because of an angry passion right.

Speaker 2: 9:44

And so emotions are fuel to motivate us to go do things. Well, now, when the emotions start to get triggered, now I've got some fuel to say I'm going to keep pursuing this.

Speaker 1: 9:55

When I have a couple that comes in my office and there's a drift, I will nine times out of 10 ask them is there anybody else? Right? Because that creates the drift like, oh well, this person listens to me, oh, I share my dreams with them, oh, they spend time and hear me and listen and understand me. And so they wonder why they're all mad or frustrated at their spouse. Well, it's because we created this emotional shift where. I'm sharing this stuff with somebody besides my spouse, and it's somebody of the opposite sex.

Speaker 2: 10:24

Yeah, Finally, Hannah it gets to one of the deepest levels that we can get to is the intimacy shift. I'm now desiring the deepest places of my life to be with this other person, and so when we talk about intimacy shift now, we're actually dreaming about a future with them. Maybe we're talking about doing exciting, adventurous things with them because we have more fun or interest in them, and the intimacy shift then actually even fantasies of sex and maybe that moving into sex. So even if you're having sex with your spouse, that doesn't mean you're necessarily thinking about your spouse. It could be that you're fantasizing about this other person, and so each one of these shifts is signaling that we're going a little bit deeper into the investment of this affair.

Speaker 1: 11:16

Deeper into quicksand. And it is quicksand, and the problem is is sometimes it's involving one person that's maybe married, but then one person that's not, and they've got all their dreams and hopes into this basket of the somebody who says they're separated from their partner, or they're getting a divorce or their spouse is that person's spouse is having an affair.

Speaker 1: 11:36

So this is who I want to be with and man that intimacy. We start making promises and having dreams and sharing intimate things and that is such a dangerous, dangerous place to be, and so if you are doing that right now with someone that is not your spouse, we're highly encouraging you to get out of it.

Speaker 1: 11:57

Get out of it and admit it, saying you know I went too far. This is not right. Tell that person like this is wrong, and they might not even see anything yet. They're just maybe, like you're just close friends, right. Like I hear people say oh well, that's my best friend, this is my spouse, but this is my best friend, we grew up together, right, they know more about me than my spouse does. That's a really dangerous place to be for somebody of the opposite sex.

Speaker 2: 12:22

Yeah, so hon, let's walk through and let's talk about all right, so how do we stop it? And then, how do we prevent it? Right, like, ultimately, we'd like to prevent it before we even have to stop it, okay, but but if you are hearing this today and you're going, some of these things could be going on in my world, okay, so the very first thing really is, when this stuff's going on, you will talk yourself out of it as being a problem. It's kind of like the same way we see it with porn and the same way we see it with alcohol and drug addiction.

Speaker 1: 12:54

When it first starts, we go no, it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 2: 12:59

We rationalize it, justify it, we'll deny it, we'll dismiss it as not being a big deal, and so we really have to stop walking into denial. If somebody else is popping into our head more frequently than they were before, right off the bat you'd need to give that a second thought of like what's going on here? So stop denying it, stop dismissing it and start as you said before start to own it.

Speaker 1: 13:22

Yeah, don't be ignorant is number two, because emotions are powerful and you might not have any. This is what I've heard before. In a lot of couples. You, as a man, may not have any fantasies, dreams or any thoughts of that other person but man, that single secretary in your office she might have and she might be taking your lead of going to lunch for work or talking about your ex-boyfriend friend.

Speaker 2: 13:52

They may take that as you care about me and you want to be with me, and that might not be anything that is in your mind, but don't be ignorant of what could happen.

Speaker 1: 13:56

The good, the bad and the ugly.

Speaker 2: 13:58

Yeah, I mean, sometimes you can detect a flirtation going on and so you have to have that old flirtation radar needs to be up, and if it's, if it doesn't feel right, um, then it's worth giving a second thought to, to say what's going on here and I've had several couples who have had this hard conversation about.

Speaker 1: 14:17

I feel uncomfortable with your secretary or I feel uncomfortable with your coworker, and so that spouse has said man, I totally. That's not what my intentions are. What do you need from me? And that really gives that person a sense of wow, okay, you had no intention of it being something more, and so this is how we'll safeguard Right. And so here are the safeguards, right?

Speaker 2: 14:40

So what do you need? For me, the very first thing we need is we have to reset and prioritize our spouse. Okay, we have to say, you know, I haven't been spending as much time with my wife. We used to have a date night, or we used to. We have to say, you know, I haven't been spending as much time with my wife. We used to have a date night, or we used to go out and do a hobby or activity together, and I haven't been doing that, nor am I even desiring it that much. Okay, so that's a time where I have to say, hey, we need to get the date night back on the calendar.

Speaker 1: 15:08

Yeah, but it also, for instance I've heard this before where there's a major project that somebody has to do. Maybe they're on a committee together, or maybe they have this work thing going on, and so it's been you two, these two people that aren't married. And so what I would say is prioritize your spouse by maybe including them. Maybe they go on the work trip with you, or they're on the committee with you, or they're on the committee with you, or they're in the communication, the emails and the texts is with you.

Speaker 2: 15:35

And.

Speaker 1: 15:35

I've seen a lot of people safeguard their marriage when they've got to be with somebody for work or something specific, but yet they include their spouse. So their spouse does feel prioritized.

Speaker 2: 15:46

Yeah, for sure, okay. The second one is to maintain open communication, and that is the idea of just being able to have those honest, daily check-ins. You know how are you doing? Is everything okay To be able to have that conversation? You have to be able to have it, but you also have to be able to hear it.

Speaker 2: 16:06

So sometimes, a lot of times, these conversations don't take place because you're not quite sure how it's going to land. So you have to be able to keep the communication open, and the only way that you really have a good way to do that is, as I refer to, in our daily check-in conversations. It's like brushing your teeth. You got to have a daily practice of how you check in. You know teeth don't just jump out of your head, they tend to rot out. And you know this emotional connection typically does not just start instantly and go from zero to 10. It actually something else was rotting and we found something else to replace it, and so you have to recognize that we have to be able to talk and keep that communication open and that goes both ways.

Speaker 1: 16:48

You know, if you are the spouse that's concerned, that you express, like I feel uncomfortable that this person always sends you these family pictures or these pictures of her in a bathing suit or tells you all of her stories or woes of dating, and like I feel uncomfortable with that, Like you've got to say that so it doesn't build the resentment and the jealousy and the anger because that's not fair to your spouse. If they have no intentions and they don't see it as a problem but you do, you've got to maintain that open connection and communication.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Yeah, the next one here is really.

Speaker 2: 17:21

I could even identify this as the Billy Graham rule right, this is the idea of you've got to set boundaries, you've got to actually put that picket fence up around the marriage and you have to say, hey, no one gets to cross through this fence without walking through the gate and you are the gatekeeper, and so you've got to set the boundaries. You've got to say, hey, if you've got that work thing going on, maybe you can't invite your wife because maybe it doesn't work for a variety of reasons, but maybe you can include another coworker.

Speaker 2: 17:51

You know, hey, you got invited a friend to go with you on that, so that we have multiple people involved, so we're never just alone with that person.

Speaker 1: 18:00

Yeah, so the Billy Graham rule really is that Billy Graham with his wife I think Ruth was her name basically said that I will not travel or dine or meet alone with somebody of the opposite sex just to protect his reputation, and we've actually incorporated that in our work.

Speaker 1: 18:21

You and I do not coach male or females of the opposite sex alone. Occasionally it happens by somebody canceling, the partner canceled or something, but we will for sure let each other know. Like hey, I ended up meeting with a husband by himself because the wife got sick and so we don't go to Skyline with a person of the opposite sex.

Speaker 2: 18:40

That's a restaurant if you're out of the area.

Speaker 1: 18:43

You know where people are like. Oh, I saw Merle with this really hot woman last night.

Speaker 1: 18:48

You know, I tell the story before that I was on another part of Cincinnati, the other side of Cincinnati meeting lunch Chipotle with my brother, Okay, and I was like in Blue Ash or something where he worked and I remember coming in that restaurant and hugging him and us sitting down and eating and somebody from my church on the other side of the city saw us and I could just see their wheels turning because you know, here I am, on the other side of the city, saw us and I could just see their wheels turning Because you know, here I am on the other side of the city with a good-looking guy.

Speaker 1: 19:18

I gave him a hug. It was almost like we were hiding on the other side of the city, and so they made a comment to me, not that day. They didn't say they saw me that day, but they said something the next day. And you know, I had make sure he they knew that was my brother.

Speaker 2: 19:33

Yeah, yeah, do they know that you have brothers all over town?

Speaker 1: 19:38

stop just two yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 19:41

so those are the boundaries, you know. The other thing is it goes uh back about with the prioritize your spouse, but now it's you gotta, you gotta, you gotta nurture, you gotta fertilize. You've got to be very intentional about saying we're going to just feed into each other and it's so easy to feed other things. We've struggled with feeding work, with feeding activities, but when you start even feeding other people right, and especially of the opposite sex that you're, if you know there's only so much energy to go around and if you prioritize somebody else you're, you're taking that energy from the person that you might be hurting. So the idea that you nurtured we were just talking uh, earlier this week it's like we're due to go see a movie together and so we said, hey, let's go, let's put that on the calendar let's go see a movie tomorrow night.

Speaker 2: 20:32

So, that's just the nurturing, that's the fertilizing right.

Speaker 1: 20:36

So we say sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. We say God first, then our spouse, then our children and work and committees and friends. They're all down here. And so if it comes, push to shove that this work committee and this woman is asking for you to cancel your date night with your wife you got to be very careful that what you're prioritizing? What are you showing everybody your spouse and this other person? If you prioritize them over your spouse, definitely a red flag, yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:09

Red flag for sure, guys. The last part here that we really want to get into, and this is really what Rock Solid Families is about. This is what your pastor, your priest, these people can be involved with. If you really find yourself in this battle, all right, get help, get help, and you need to get help by somebody that you're not emotionally attached to yeah, it's not a parent.

Speaker 2: 21:35

Yeah Well, and it's not that person that you're interested in. Like you know, I'm struggling right now. I'm spending a lot of time with you and I'm feeling guilty with my wife. That's not the right person. You need to go to somebody who understands God's way, God's word, but somebody who can call you out, somebody that cares about you, and you need to go through that, uh, that advice seeking, All right. So don't hesitate to do that, and what I'll say hon, I have found this to be um as much of a challenge is is pornography, because it is silent on so many fronts.

Speaker 2: 22:09

It starts. Remember we talked about the shifts, and the very first shift is we have the mind shift, and so I can't read anyone's mind, but that's where the seed starts, and so you know, that's where pornography starts. It all starts just in the mind, where you start to get that fantasy. And so when you start to see that man, this is owning a lot of my headspace, my mind that's a time where you arrest it, and if you're struggling with arresting it, then through prayer and counsel, that's where you've got to really grab this thing and put it to its final end.

Speaker 1: 22:43

Well, and when we're talking about seeking help, the reason why I say not your parents is because a lot of times and I just happen to have this thing it says don't give up the ship is because a lot of times and I just happened to have this thing it says don't give up the ship you will have a parent who maybe has a history, maybe your dad cheated on your mom, and so the minute you say I think my husband's having an emotional affair, she's like you're out of there, come, move in with me. This is wrong, and so of course they're going to come and protect you. So I would say get some neutral, outside Christian professional help so that they can come at it as okay. How are we going to work through this instead of just throwing in the towel or putting blame on one person, like it takes two to have this drift, and sometimes we don't even realize the drift is occurring until it's too late and you've run aground in the ship. Yeah Well, what you referred to there.

Speaker 2: 23:37

You know you have to get help and counsel from somebody who is emotionally not going to get tripped up by this. And so you know, if you speak to somebody who right away is going to get their emotions, they're just as much of a problem as what's already going on in your mind yeah, exactly so that's why you want to seek that neutral, emotional person.

Speaker 1: 23:57

Yeah, for sure?

Speaker 2: 23:59

All right, so you know, at the end of the day, well, why. And so Matthew 19, chapter 4. Verses what do you have there? I want to make sure verses four through six, I'm sorry, haven't you read? He replied that at the beginning the creator made them male and female and he said for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate. And that's a pretty big deal, because when you separate it, that's called a wound. That's called a wound, and sometimes wounds really can be devastating. Right? And in this case, when we separate the husband and the wife, there's not a good case that can be made for what happens with divorce in terms of whether anybody will get hurt.

Speaker 2: 24:53

People get hurt in these situations and so that's what the wound is about, because two became one and they got tore apart.

Speaker 1: 24:59

So by prioritizing your spouse and guarding your heart, you can protect your marriage from the dangers and really the temptation of emotional affairs, and really the temptation of emotional affairs. Our world is so sick and it is so distorted on what is healthy what is?

Speaker 1: 25:16

appropriate, and so please don't go looking at the world for your guidance and your direction. If you're already feeling like you're being pulled in one, then confront it head on with honesty and a commitment that you're going to rebuild your trust with your spouse and you're going to work on that intimacy with your spouse and prioritizing them.

Speaker 2: 25:37

Yeah, we are a rock solid families and we're talking about a Christian based ministry here. And this is why we are Christian based, because if I just had to be concerned with a spouse who maybe we've been irritating each other for the last few years, maybe we're kind of at each other's throat, then it's like you know, I don't even know if they care that much about me, and so you start to get that hardenedness of heart.

Speaker 2: 26:05

But the fact that we have an honoring of God here, we are to honor God first, and so the reason why we're keeping our marriage together is not just for our partner, it's for honoring God what he has blessed and what he has put together, and so that's why you know he's the major stopgap here.

Speaker 2: 26:24

That's why we want God in the middle of this marriage, because if he's no place in there, then I'm only dealing with one person and you know we'll do it on a human level. That's so place in there that I'm only dealing with one person and we'll do it on a human level.

Speaker 1: 26:32

That's so funny you bring that up, hon because even if you aren't a Christian, I've had couples come into me who really gave each other permission to have not just emotional affairs with other men and women but physical ones In their mind. It spiced things up. And it's funny because they would kind of not tell me that when they came in originally, but then they would say we don't trust each other and they were really talking about the erosion of the relationship and the mistrust they had. And then they kind of filled me in that that was kind of an agreed upon decision by the two of them and then they wondered why their marriage fell apart. And so you may think it's a great idea. It's not. It doesn't spice up the relationship, it erodes it. And the deeper the emotional affair, the quicker it erodes.

Speaker 2: 27:19

Yeah, In the moment it might seem spicy, but it actually ends up burning you. So again, hey, our challenge for you guys this week is to give an honest assessment on where your brain is, where your thoughts are, who you're being intrigued by to spend time with, to have conversation with, and if that person is of the opposite sex and you're enjoying them, all right, it's not a matter of slamming the door on them and telling them that they're dead, they're evil. Yeah, because, like you said before, they may not even know what you're doing.

Speaker 1: 27:57

Yeah, absolutely so. Thank you so much for listening to this. Rock Solid Families, again, is a faith-based coaching organization in southeast Indiana and so, if we can be of help to you, we do Zoom sessions so you can be anywhere in the country and we can work with you and your spouse. You can find more information at rocksolidfamiliesorg. So hopefully you know, connect with us, seek help if not us somewhere around you to get the help you need for your marriage to see it not just survive but to thrive.

Speaker 2: 28:29

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