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Freddie Johnson, Mr Buffalo Trace and the Thrill of Rare Bottles
Ever wondered if a virtual high-five can actually work? Get ready to laugh along with us as we share our hilarious attempts and the quirks of navigating Zoom and Facebook. But it's not all fun and games – we kick off this episode with an exciting announcement about the One Piece at a Time Distilling Institute on YouTube, a must-visit for anyone passionate about distilling. Plus, there's a silver lining to my hand injury story; I've traded in an uncomfortable splint for a much more manageable brace, and yes, that means I'm back to enjoying some good bourbon!
Join us as we recount our memorable experiences with the legendary Freddie Johnson at Buffalo Trace Distillery. Freddie’s warmth and extensive bourbon knowledge have made him an unforgettable part of our bourbon journey. From our first encounter during an enlightening tasting session to our numerous attempts to bring him on the podcast, Freddie's impact on both us and the bourbon community is truly significant. You'll also get a peek into his rock star status at various festivals and his indispensable role as Buffalo Trace's ambassador.
In the world of bourbon, few things are as thrilling as exclusive bottle releases and lotteries. We dive into the Ohio Bottle Lottery, discussing the excitement and challenges of securing high-value bottles like Double Eagle and Blanton’s Gold. Our conversation also explores the secondary market dynamics and the intricate decisions that come with trading rare bourbons like the Weller Millennium. To wrap things up, we reflect on the camaraderie among bourbon enthusiasts and share some tips on how to enjoy good bourbon responsibly. So, grab your favorite pour and join us for this spirited adventure!
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Speaker 2:I got through that pretty quick tonight, didn't I? I'm just becoming a natural. You've always been pretty quick for your age. Anyways, there we go. So just a little update on the hand Got some good news today through the x-rays that the way that it was fractured. I didn't need to have a cast, if I be careful. So I ended up with a nice brace. This is. I could tell you a whiskey that this is about 50 billion times the most comfortable I've been in the past 10, 10 days ever since I did it. I mean there's money took the.
Speaker 4:I was just glad it was your left hand. It had been your right hand.
Speaker 2:Destroyed your sex life. No, the left hand did destroy my. I mean this. I'm left freaking handed. I.
Speaker 4:Everybody enjoys the stranger.
Speaker 2:Anyways.
Speaker 2:I hope to hell. Stacy's not watching tonight. Anyways, all right. So, but getting it off was nice. To get the splint off and then go to a brace, the splint was what would you say? Bulky, uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:It did the job that it needed to do, but I would have to say that when I heard I could go with the brace, I mean you could, you know, at any time he's like you, just take it off, you know. So it was the first enjoyable shower that I had in 10 days. You know where I came out and actually was clean. I mean, you cannot wash your armpit with the same hand. It's virtually impossible. While you couldn't get the splint wet, so you had it in a bag so that the hand was completely and totally useless.
Speaker 2:So, anyways, but very, very good news, this is going to allow I actually could, um, I can work at the computer, I can do all the things. I got full motion of my hand and the the way that the break is, I do know push which way and where it is to push it. Uh, where I'm pushing it too far. So I will say with this off, I can push it too far. But with this will say with this off, I can push it too far, but with this on it really keeps it kind of perfectly the way that you would want it, but it's so much more comfortable. So I'm actually I could actually say that I'm happier. And then I'm getting back into the right side of my my brain because, trying to do everything with my right hand Now all the lifting has to be done with my right hand. I still all the lifting has to be done with my right hand. I still won't be able to lift. He was saying full recovery, maybe five, six months. So we'll see. But anyways, I can at least open a whiskey bottle, I can hold a whiskey. It's like you can hold it to pull the cork. I mean all that was like gone for a while. So you kind of appreciate that, especially when you get your dominant hand taken away from you. All right.
Speaker 2:So anyways, tonight we're going to talk about this week. I've got you know a couple of things. I can share. One of the things that when we initially knew that this was happening, when we started hearing the rumblings about what was going to happen with you know that Freddie Johnson was coming. Freddie Johnson is the ultimate. He is the ultimate ambassador for bourbon, not just for Buffalo Trace but for all bourbon. I mean, when you talk to him you got to admit it's a, it's really kind of a cool experience. I mean, I didn't know his complete history. I knew that he's a third generation at the distillery. Before they were Buffalo Trace, his grandpa worked at the distillery and his dad and his dad made the transformation to when it became Buffalo Trace and then now Freddie promised his dad that he would work there at some point in time and he did it. He's there. He's been there for a little bit of. I think he's been there since 2003,.
Speaker 2:But what I can do here is hit the share screen. I've got information tonight I think you might be impressed with. Let's see. I would say you should be impressed, but but it's actually not there. Let's see. We'll hit share screen. Share, I think that's taking us there. Oh, all right, let's see what happens. Um, I'm gonna go. I gotta go back on that, all right, uh, nope, that's not it either.
Speaker 4:At one point, all I'm seeing is your share stuff like what do you see the one this right here of Facebook?
Speaker 2:alright, well, hold on, and you don't see anything else but the pop up right history alright, how about this?
Speaker 4:alright, that's what I was looking for, then. We're really small on top. All right, how about this? There you go. Freddie Johnson biography.
Speaker 2:All right, that's what I was looking for. Freddie Johnson is a third-generation employee of Buffalo Trace Distillery and serves as Distillery VIP Visitor Lead. Born in Paris, kentucky, bourbon County, he spent some of his early childhood summers in the mountains of Brayleet County, bray-hit. I tried to say it before and I came up with about Bray-hit County.
Speaker 4:We know the reading.
Speaker 2:Yeah. With his maternal grandfather, who was a coal miner and friend to the Moonshiners, the family moved to Frankfort, kentucky. When he was five. Freddie enjoyed hunting, fishing and hanging out with his paternal grandfather, Jimmy Johnson Sr, and father Jimmy Johnson Jr, at what is now known as Buffalo Trace Distillery. Buffalo Trace Distillery.
Speaker 2:Freddie was in the middle of a successful career as a network operation engineer in Atlanta, georgia, when he put all of it aside to fulfill a promise made to his father, Jimmy, more than 20 years earlier. He had promised his father that he would work at the distillery during his lifetime, so they could say they had three generations of Johnson family that worked at Buffalo Trace. Freddie took early retirement and moved back to care for his father and brother. Jimmy got him a job as a tour guide at the distillery in 2002. But Freddie has been in and around the distillery since he was five years old. Freddie weaves together his childhood memories with distillery-rich history as he entertains thousands each year in various tours around Buffalo Trace, one of the distillery's most popular and highly sought-after tour guides. Freddie is the recipient of the 2015 Rose Recognition of Service Excellence Award and the 2017 Lexington Kentucky Hospitality Award and was inducted into the Kentucky Bourbon Hall of Fame in 2018. I mean that right, there is a pretty cool thing right. Just that gives you who Freddie is.
Speaker 4:But so he's from Bloody Breathitt County. It's pronounced Breathitt, breathet.
Speaker 2:OK, breathet, that's how you pronounce it. Thank you, all right, so coming you know coming the full.
Speaker 2:Full circle on on Freddie is that when I was getting uh bourbon and had not done a distillery tour one time, uh, we went down on, uh I believe we went down on a wednesday night, uh before kentucky bourbon festival, and we drove down and we did the ghost tour at Buffalo Trace. Now, in 2000, 2019 isn't the height of what Buffalo Trace has become. I mean, when I first started In 2018, I was able to get a Weller Red. It was 29, Antique 107. It was $29.99. And I went into my Giant Eagle and the guy said that we get the green the reserve quite often, that we get the green the reserve quite often, but I never seen no Antique 107 and I bought it and that kind of got me hooked.
Speaker 2:But at the time you know, the desire and the lines weren't happening yet at the liquor store to the point of what they. What goes on now. So when we made in 2000,. You know, when we made our reservations for the ghost tour for buffalo trace and they and uh, they took us on that ghost tour. Freddie was uh when he brought us back in.
Speaker 2:If now when you walk in and you know where you check the building, that you check into that building that used to be their main gift shop, just that front area before you go back into the gift shop area, just where you check in, and it's why that was where they had the gift shop with the counter. And then they had off to the right side, over on the right side where they had a little bar set up and Freddie led our tasting and I mean the tasting was the full group. We were all getting pours and he was. I remember thinking about for my first distillery tour that this guy was the most kindest, most knowledgeable person. You know, when he was doing the tasting that I had ever experienced, he went through on how to taste, he went through on everything. So that was a really cool thing about how Freddie, you know how he, as far as my experience, the first tour I ever took he led the tasting after the tour. So, freddie Johnson, there's a cheers right there to you.
Speaker 4:So, mr, in other words, he's responsible for you being here and we have him to thank for that.
Speaker 2:Partially yeah, that's partially. When you know the whole thing and the whole experience is Now I would have to say after that I tried to meet him a bunch of times and it didn't work out. I had seen him around but never really got to talk to him, and then that all changed last year between Kentucky Bourbon Festival, bourbon on the Banks, and then New Orleans Bourbon Festival. I mean, wouldn't you say that that was the most accessible that you ever saw, freddie at New Orleans Bourbon Festival whiskey.
Speaker 4:I'd agree with that he didn't have a lot to do. He was what? Presenting one session, yeah, and the rest of the time he was doing the city and he was enjoying Hanging out the festival presented.
Speaker 2:And it was a great festival. Yeah, and we had been trying to get him on to the podcast a lot, and to get Freddie on the podcast is very difficult because he's anybody from the distillery to get them directly on the podcast. There's Sazerac handlers. You need the Sazerac handlers. When we had Harlan and then we also had Ross Cornelison on, we were able to go through them and then we're still trying to get Freddie on. But Freddie is what would you say, sought after, really sought after.
Speaker 1:So that's really kind of cool.
Speaker 2:So what's your experiences with Freddie Whiskey? What's?
Speaker 4:your experiences with Freddie whiskey? Um, you know, actually, uh, you know, I didn't know who the hell he was. Uh, when I first went to Buffalo trace, I'd never heard of them or anything. Uh, then I found out about the root beer that they named after. Um, so I thought that was pretty cool. And I've heard stories from other people that have been on tours and whatnot, and I've always thought that was pretty cool. And I've heard stories from other people that have been on tours and whatnot. I've always thought that was kind of cool.
Speaker 4:So, but the one thing I guess I'll say is we have had two opportunities to have Freddie lead a tour for our group and you know he's been doing it so long. It just seems like, I will say, I I think he knows where all the bodies are there. Um, I mean, he knows everything and every inch of the place. But I mean he's been doing this so long. It's just kind of crazy to me that you know he's still out there occasionally swinging.
Speaker 4:Uh, you know doing a tour and, and you know, on a nice hot day he's usually inside greeting people, especially up in the tasting area on the second floor, and you know he'll be sitting, you know leaning on a barrel or sitting in a chair, and you have a chance to walk up, just kind of say hi to him and he's kind of become, you know, a Buffalo Trace legend. A Buffalo Trace legend, yeah, and it's kind of. I think if they decided to put a Mount Rushmore in that hill, that they put the new rickhouses on, you'd have to think that you'd see Taylor up there and George Stagg, but I think the guy all the way in the end that probably didn't get finished would be Freddie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no doubt Freddiedie has his place. And then it's really you know what would you say initially? I, I met freddie I mean last year was a freddie kind of we were. We got to when we were down at the distillery, if you remember. Uh, we talked to him while we were there and got our tasting, and then he was in the tasting room and we were just talking to him at the distillery. And then when we went to the Frankfurt uh urban society right there there, he was there at the at their meeting, uh, and that was kind of cool to hang out there that night.
Speaker 2:And then we were where else?
Speaker 2:I mean it was just one right after another seeing him, so he finally kind of got to know who we are and CT got to see him. So this time that he came up. And then the state of Ohio really, in my opinion, has nailed this week with Freddie. I mean it's you know, they, they. They started off with a kickoff with the Russell's reserve release for on Saturday for fathers, before father's day. For father's day they also announced also everybody which I really want to get is they announced that russell's 15 along with 13, so those two batches will be coming out real soon.
Speaker 2:Uh, when we swing down anytime, you got to stop off at wild turkey because their new gift shops open and I'm sure they're going to be having those bottles go through the gift shop now. I think also beam lately the way that they're distributing through their gift shop has been fantastic. Think also Beam lately the way that they're distributing through their gift shop has been fantastic. I mean I was able to pick up the Booker's and the Freddy's you know little book, chapter eight, and we're able to get it at the distillery before really it was being released and I think that's something that's really cool about down in Kentucky right now? And the same thing. Did you happen to see the picture of the wood finishing series that got released at Buffalo Trace? That one day, I think Andrew posted it in our group. He had a picture of it and it was just sitting on the shelf for Buffalo Trace. That was a couple about a week ago for Buffalo.
Speaker 2:Trace that was a couple about a week ago. So you know you get these releases from the distilleries that are just there that day. If you're there, you're lucky, you can. You know there's so much out there and that's what's been, you know, going on. But then the state of Ohio, you know, announces, while they're doing the whole Father's Day, russell's and whatever they announce, freddie's coming, and then they give you I think they gave you six dates, right, six different. It was Cincinnati Dayton, two in Columbus, one here in Canton area and then another up in Solon. Right, that was the six things. And they then do this lottery. I mean, when I first was in that's the best change you ever had to get a bottle of double evil.
Speaker 2:Oh, 450 people in canton today and was there that many in the end? Yeah, because, like right when, right at when I was doing, it was about a hundred, you know when I, and then it just kept building.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it looked like a bee swarm attack.
Speaker 2:Okay, so then. So after I left, it got bigger.
Speaker 4:Much bigger. Okay, yeah, I mean honestly, although you know what's funny is they did pull a name of somebody who decided not to stick around and they would have been able to get the double eagle. I actually thought about going up and seeing if I could pull off. You know being that person, but I don't think I looked like a Tawanda.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you also, again, were there and they, even though I wasn't there because I had to get have my doctor's appointment about getting the splint off and what I was going to do. So I wasn't able to stick around for that, but I still didn't win, did I not? Nope, that's usually normal for me. And and of course, you won, dude, yeah. And then, uh, what all I could say is, when I was first hearing about this, okay, I have to say that I knew that this was, uh, this, this particular drawing was a chance to get bourbon that the average person doesn't have a chance to get. I mean, we see these bottles, we hear about these bottles, we know that they're expensive, but it's not like you're going.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what was it? The Centennial Mictors Centennial. It's a $2,500 bottle. You don't get a shot at that usually. Now, the state of Ohio has their drawing, their lottery. They have a lottery, a bottle lottery that they do, but my odds of winning that have been zero and you are going up. Let's just say, 800 bottles for 250,000 people. It's the whole state of Ohio that you're entered in the lottery for.
Speaker 4:And I think the last Pappy drawing might have drawn 450,000. Right.
Speaker 2:So your odds of getting a bottle are, but this particular thing you're talking about. Let's just say 400 people and how many bottles total did they have? I mean the old.
Speaker 4:They had 12 Double Eagle, they had 12 of the Millennium and the balance was Blanton's Gold.
Speaker 2:Right, and Blanton's Gold for $129.99 is nothing to sniff at. I mean, it's a good bottle, everybody knows that. And so then you're talking about 24, so 24, 48, 24 bottles of Blanton Gold, plus another.
Speaker 4:It's really 22 Blanton's Gold. I don't know why they must have pulled two at every store for for something else, but okay, there was, there was. There was only 46 bottles total. Uh, in the end they ended up. Uh, so all the eagle, the double eagles, were sold. Uh, they lasted until number 25 and there was 12 bottles, so there was still. You know, half the people passed because of the three thousand dollar price tag. Um, we were number 27, so, um, the only thing they had left at that point was gold and millennium.
Speaker 4:And uh two out of the three, but the last eight bottles they had were millennium, and they kept pulling tickets until they found people that were willing to spring eight grand for a bottle of booze. Um, and so the last eight people all got millennium.
Speaker 2:Um, and so they did find the people. So they just kept calling, and calling and calling. When they would call the person's number, would they shake their head? No, basically.
Speaker 4:I mean, if they weren't interested, then they'd walk up and say, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:Or they weren't there. I don't know if interest.
Speaker 4:They drew into the mid-50s before they found the last person to buy an $8,000 bottle.
Speaker 2:Well, that's spectacular. Actually, they were able to, out of 50-some people, get them. They got 24 of them to spend either $3,000 or $8,000 on a bottle of liquor. I mean, it's spectacular, spectacular. Uh, we got to talk about this. Um, now I know you got the millennium. Uh, that's a really cool thing. Uh, when it like, you're the only person I know when I thought of this, uh, that and I, I I specified that you definitely needed to be there. Now let's just talk about that whiskey. We're gonna, we're gonna get down to it, because I have a theory that initially, knowing that those bottles are there right, you knew they were there, you kind of found out about it through the lottery or whatever but at the same time, when you initially heard about it, you kind of were like that's a lot of money to spend on a bourbon. You even reiterated that to me that you probably.
Speaker 4:It's $326 an ounce.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you had to pay $326 in taxes. 326 dollars in taxes, it's like most bottles at 326 are a thought, but you just paid tax of 326. So, yes, I get that it's a lot of money. But so I felt that, freddie, now did you ever talk to freddie or did you not get? You got there and you kind of just bypassed that. I just said hello when I was walking around looking for you.
Speaker 4:I wasn't going to wait.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, that's one thing I wanted.
Speaker 4:Somebody had told me you were already in Top Shelf and I'm like they said well, if you want to talk to Freddie, you've got to wait in this line. And I looked at the line and said there's nothing in that store that I want. I didn't have to wait in that. So I stuck my head in, walked around, uh, freddie was sitting there. I said, hey, freddie, you know he was in the middle of signing. He was a machine today. I mean he was trying to be nice, but he was also. I mean he had. I mean it was just hundreds of people that wanted him. Well, here, the thing I'll say about buffalo trace is they made sure, or the state of ohio and buffalo trace made sure, that there was buffalo trace products for freddy to sign.
Speaker 4:So anybody that wanted a bottle of buffalo trace, a fifth to take through and have freddy sign, it was there. If you wanted a bottle of wheatley vodka signed, it was there. Um, and they also had sazerac rye. I think those were the three selections that were on the table. Uh, so you know no unicorns? No, you know they didn't have the table. So you know no unicorns? No, you know they didn't have a Blanton's. Or you know some special release you know, other than the three that were advertised, but I bought. It was nice that. It was nice that you, you could buy that bottle of Buffalo Trace and get ready to sign it.
Speaker 2:So I got the bottle of Buffalo Trace, had freddie signed my tube. I didn't bring the alcohol because you couldn't, so there you go. He signed my uh, my first ever colonel taylor barrel proof tube and I actually think that's what if you ever were gonna have somebody sign something the bottle for me when it's empty. Keeping it is depressing, but keeping the tubes is not. Now I'll probably keep the bottle in the tube once it's empty, but at the same time I really like the way tubes display, you know, opposed to bottles, they're all the same. I mean, if you have a bunch of Colonel Taylor tubes, you can pretty much almost create a piece of art. But what I like to do for everybody right now, real quick, I'm going to share the screen this time and we're going to go to Freddy and him signing the bottle with me. I did get that on video, so here we go.
Speaker 4:It's super jumpy, jeff. It's what it's, jumpy. The video is beat.
Speaker 2:It is no it's bad, it's just bad.
Speaker 4:Look, there's a before picture with his mitt all bundled up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, that's a before what I was wearing this afternoon. How about that?
Speaker 5:What do you?
Speaker 2:explain to him how to spell tiny. He didn't sign. He did not sign tiny. He gave me a 2024 third generation, so that was kind of nice, but that gives you kind of what he was doing. He was set up there with the above. Yeah, that's pretty cool, I thought.
Speaker 4:So let's go back to here and back to the that same buffalo in my foyer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a pretty cool buffalo, isn't it? I was like, if I could walk out of there with something today, probably I would have liked to walk out with that buffalo. That was pretty cool. Now, did you get that from Buffalo trace?
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, they were running a clearance sale or overstock sale or something, and I thought it was the smaller one because the price was so attractive. And then it showed up and it was like 24 inches tall. How, how much was it.
Speaker 2:It's about 49, 149. Yeah, that's a deal. I mean, that's a really kind of cool thing. It's actually, you know, a piece of art, you know decoration. You get the feeling of the national park kind of feel for it with the buffalo and everything.
Speaker 2:See, yep, there you go so I mean, you know, that's what, that's what that was today and he's he did that for, did that for an hour and a half. He was there and the funny thing is that you couldn't bring a bottle in. I walked up to the cashier Top Shelf is a great liquor store here in the Canton area. I got to give them. The owner was there. He was shaking people's hands, letting people come in was there, he was shaking people's hands, letting people come in. They had it for the amount of the room that there was and not many people. They really moved along quickly. They on a hot day. There was not a lot of waiting. No, initially I was there. I was 66th in line and I knew I had a 115 doctor's appointment. I had to be out by 1245 and the line started at 12 and I was talking to you in my car at 1250. So we were out of there. I was able to make my doctor's appointment.
Speaker 2:Now I was trying to get back to find out if you know, I was texting you and calling you, but you were. You said that you that you had some. You were, you were probably getting your millennium bottle. That would be my guess. And then, uh, so and, and you also let me know, I didn't win. So it was good that I didn't go back just not to win. So I, you know, I probably would have picked up a bottle of Blanton's Gold just because. But I do know that this weekend, the rest of this week, should have some surprises. I know that because there there's going to be the way the state of Ohio has been working lately. I'm guessing there's going to be some good stuff dropping at your local liquor store coming up. So stay tuned for that right.
Speaker 2:So Freddie signed they were talking about that. He has they keep track of what he does. You know how he signs and everything and how long and how fast and how many he can do. And because they have these tickets this time, they can easily keep track of how many people that he signs. And I think they said in Columbus yesterday he signed 216 bottles in an hour. So that was. You know. When you think about it, that's insane, yeah. And then he's talking to everybody. You know every single person goes up, takes a picture. You give your phone to the person, they'll take a picture of you. He signs it, he takes his time and then you know. And then everybody goes on and is happy. Now I don't know, I think the one criticism I would have and it's not a bad criticism, but if you're gonna drop eight grand on a bottle and freddy's up signing bottles for everybody, you would try, I think, maybe have it pre-signed. You know, have the bottles pre-signed so that you have Freddie's signature on it. Or did you want? Did it matter to you?
Speaker 4:So Freddie was done signing at 1.30 and he left. I know it was like watching the president get escorted from a venue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had to leave because he had to get to Solon.
Speaker 4:Duh. And get going. But I'll be honest with you. I mean, Freddie, to me getting a signature on something is cool and stuff, but I'm more about the master distillers and you know the people that are doing the tasting and and and producing. You know the actual product that I am.
Speaker 4:I would be there too like I didn't have freddie sign anything. It's not because I don't like him and it's not because he's not a great guy. It just wasn't my thing. I just I'm like the guy. You know, he's a legend at Buffalo Trace and I like him a lot and he's super interesting. He's got great stories. But I just, I just didn't need his autograph on a bottle or something else. It just wasn't. It wasn't important to me and there's people that might be looking to invest in that bottle as a collectible that would have thought it's now a damaged product with freddie johnson's signature uh, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think that freddie signing it gets it one step up. I mean his, he's, he, his family is related to the buff the buffalo trace distillery in three generations and no other distiller was there. There's nobody else there with three generations of family. It's like the Blantons George T Stagg they were the master distillers where he's more embedded into it. Plus, as far as an ambassador and him going out and talking and being interviewed and in some of these documentaries which he does a lot of, it's kind of cool. He's been in a multiple amount of documentaries so he's more of a rock star kind of maybe almost a bourbon movie star, if you know he's been in.
Speaker 2:If you're doing a bourbon movie or documentary, usually you're interviewing Freddie. I mean even Fred Minnick on a couple of his. It was great because he used to. When he went on, bourbon and beyond was happening initially and Fred was doing his interviews with all the. Fred Minnick was doing the interviews there at right there in the tent and doing kind of a 10, 15 minute interviews with the people. You know, the musicians. He did a 10, 15 minute interview with Freddie and his dad, you know, at the time. So it was there's a lot of cool things that Freddie has done that you know, whereas I really feel he's. I know he's an ambassador, but it's nice because he definitely has what would you call a mode that he's in, that he knows bourbon and he kind of will talk and say get the message out right. It's a consistent message that he'll do.
Speaker 2:Now that I've met him enough and know him, I'm beyond when he first sees me giving me the message. You know, I got the message the first time I ever, you know, went down on a tour. I got, I got to hear what you know, him talking about how you do things and what bourbon means and how it means what it means and all of it of what he says is so true because bourbon isn't just about the bourbon, it's about the people drinking that you drink with or you meet up with. And so I, I have a utmost respect for that. But I understand, you know, from the master distillers point of view. I mean, when we were with Harland, I you know he signed the Blanton's bottle for us and I've actually got a Scotchy Bourbon Boys Glencairn, which, when I was thinking about it, when I was getting this, but this is the first ever bottle of EH Taylor barrel proof that I was able to acquire in the wild Taylor Barrel Proof that I was able to acquire in the wild and having him sign it, and it being the tube that excited me.
Speaker 2:Now again, so you're not initially going there to try and buy an $8,000 bottle of bourbon, correct? That was not your goal. Now, when I was hearing about this from Ann Dimmick, I was thinking she was telling me about how much these bottles were and she wasn't sure. And Buffalo Trace had approached OHLQ and said we'll do this but you have to sell them right away. And then she informed me that July is the end of their fiscal year. So they definitely didn't want $8,000 bottles of Weller Millennium hanging out after July in their inventory. You know that's not what you want as a business, correct? So they knew they had to sell it. So you know, when she was she's asking me about it I was like thinking the same as her 12 bottles at $3,000 is $36,000.
Speaker 2:And 12 bottles at eight is $ ninety six thousand dollars and that's at six different. That same amount was in columbus twice. So they had to sell. Let's see, that's two, let's if there's cases of six, right, they had to sell two times six, that's 12 cases, of which is 112 k. 12 times six is what? Um? 12 times five is 60, so it's 72, right? So 72 bottles at eight thousand dollars. I don't know that in the state of ohio I was thinking, if you, if you have 72 collectors willing to spend $8,000 on a bottle I mean, it's just something you know. She even talked about it Do you leave it?
Speaker 4:No, I had an opportunity to talk to several people because they drew the numbers, understand why they did it the way they did it, but it was a very slow process. So there's a. I mean, you know it probably took 45, 50 minutes, maybe an hour, to get through everything, uh, to get through the numbers and the draws and let the people into the store to make their selection pay for it. Come out Um and uh. Two of the first eight uh double eagles that sold, I know, went to bottle flippers because I see them in lines up here and down in Canton and I mean they're known flippers. Even the person that was involved in the Justin's house of urban scandal had was present to see if they could perhaps win a bottle, was present to see if they could perhaps win a bottle.
Speaker 4:And I think a lot of the bottles that we saw today are going to be are already online and available. The couple of gentlemen I was standing with were flat out going to try to get the millennium. One guy said he was going to sample it out. He was going to make one out sample bottles and, you know, sell them for probably 25 more than what they cost him, just to give people an opportunity to taste them and then keep the empty bottle. Uh, it does have a glass top on it, by the way. It's not a normal cork.
Speaker 1:Um and then um it's not a normal bottle standing.
Speaker 4:There was another guy standing there saying that if he won his bottle he was going to drive to Chicago and it would be on Unicorn Auctions next week. So I think a lot of people were. I think the people. There were a significant number of people there that were buying those bottles to see if they could flip an eight thousand dollar bottle.
Speaker 2:I mean that's one thing, that what what buffalo trace has done is eliminated the actual value of secondary on something like that, because I don't think that it's, that you can get 10 grand for it and consistently now somebody might be able to but you know now I know somebody had driven up from columbus to try.
Speaker 4:They did. They got blanked down there and they decided they were going to drive up to canton and see if they could participate today and he said that in one of the columbus groups, uh, somebody listed a millennium yesterday for 20 grand uh, and that he had a cash offer at 14 and turned down by the way if you're listening tonight and you want to bring $14,000 in cash to Tiny's house, yeah, that's usually not what we participate in, but you know that's not supposed to be, you know.
Speaker 2:But as it comes out, I mean, so all of a sudden you get pulled at number 27. Actually, your wife got called correct, so does that mean now, when she got called and she was there, I mean, did she have to actually go up there with you, show her driver's license and actually make the purchase? Yep, yep. So the state of ohio did this fantastic and, like I said, they were adamant that the person be present to win.
Speaker 4:And not only did they ig you to give you a ticket, but they id'd you to redeem your ticket, right, right, well, like you in number order. And you marched in and I'll tell you, uh, they still, they still had equals sitting behind the counter as we got closer and closer and closer, and then a person reached down and I mean, these boxes are well, yeah, the millennium are even bigger, aren't they?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's actually bigger than the double equal. Um and uh, he reached down and said last one. And I went oh crap, there's one guy in front of me and there's one guy at the counter and I'm like you want a Blandon's Gold.
Speaker 2:He goes no, then you're going, please buy the Millennium. Yeah, but okay, so let's just walk through. So you said in your brain once you got there that you would buy the double Eagle Rare. Right, you had that, I was there for that. Right, but even even when we talked beforehand you were kind of like hemming and hawing at three grand. You just were, that's still a lot of money for a for a bottle. But then once you were there and you got there and whatever, and you thought about it, you were thinking, yeah, that's something I could do. So the way that the lottery set up is that, like you said, you just missed out on the double Eagle rare. To like it was two away. That guy took it and then the other guy. Now what did the guy in front of you take? I took it and then the other guy Now what?
Speaker 4:did the guy in front of you take Blanton's gold.
Speaker 2:All right, now let's just explain. You have a lot of Blanton's gold, so it's not something you need for your collection right now, considering you have a stave of gold toppers that you were able to obtain and the last time Ohio we went through this kind of lottery thing. So you get up there so go through the thought process of convincing yourself to. Did you once he got it, were you like oh my God, I'm in line, I don't want the gold, but I should go for the gold. Just get another bottle, sell it to Tiny, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 4:Uh, I was in line. My wife's like tell me what to do. Uh, and I'm like, honestly, I said a grand for a bottle is just stupid money. I mean it's stupid. Um, I said there's just no way I can justify that. It's fricking booze. Um, and she's like, but you should get it. I really know. I said I got it. I got a $16,000 retaining wall. I got to pay for it. Let's uh, let's not, let's not do this.
Speaker 2:You actually got something. Get something for that.
Speaker 4:And she's like. She's like. You know. I think we should get it. She goes. You'll never get a chance to get another one. I said it's Buffalo Trace. They may never make it.
Speaker 2:Not one of these.
Speaker 4:I said it could be a one and done deal with this, Weller.
Speaker 2:Millennium. This batch is one and done.
Speaker 4:She said well what would you do with it? I like I have no idea you could just.
Speaker 2:But if you had, at least you could make the decision. Well, what you could do with it? Clear your whole bar and just put that box up there. Yeah, there you go. Sure do you have the box with you right now?
Speaker 4:install laser beam security, because I've already had my daughter's boyfriend, you know. Stop by the bar, grab a limited edition Maker's Mark and start doing shots because he was having a bad day.
Speaker 2:That's not that bad, but at the same time Now my other question about it is do you have it right there? I don't. Okay, you don. You have it right there, I don't, you don't have it right there. It's probably in the safe by now it is.
Speaker 2:So did you look at the blend, did not? It was right there on the. I mean, we are talking, you're talking about weller, uh, that's, it's been sitting. I mean the the 2002 is the oldest, it's only seven percent, but then it was like 2004 and 2005 was 30 and 40 percent of it, so that's 70 percent and seven%.
Speaker 4:I was going to ask you. I mean, this show is turning into the Weller Millennium Show, but do you know, would that juice been laid down by Stitzel Weller and then moved to Buffalo Trace, or was that actually one of the first years Buffalo Trace was producing, 2002?
Speaker 2:No, Buffalo Trace started producing in 1992, I want to say 1992 is when the distillery opened and started producing, so 2002, they have already been doing their stuff for 10 years.
Speaker 4:And you know, some will say because I thought the Weller match bill came over with the Pappy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the Pappy came over right in right. When they purchased the Pappy, it was right around that time. Let's see 12, 2024. I had the 25 year two years ago. Yeah, it was like 90 something. I mean, you got to remember 1984, elmer T Lee put out 2000.
Speaker 4:What? 2002 was the first year Of what? I just Googled it. It says Buffalo Trace Distillery in Frankfurt began producing Pappy Van Winkle whiskey.
Speaker 2:Right In 2000. The Pappy, yes, they bought, but they were producing in 1992, but that's when they bought the Stitzel Weller collection and signed in 2002 for Pappy. So that's when they started making Weller too, started making weller too. So that's that's their weller. That was produced for pappy 25 years or 22 years later. What is it? Two years ago, yeah, so, so you're talking about it's, it's a blend, okay, and they get into 22 to, I believe, all the way to 2007. So, five years of production in this particular, you know, in this particular, what would you say blend? And it's got to be the stuff that was Pappy that they didn't use Right. Agreed, that was Pappy that they didn't use Right.
Speaker 4:Great, because when you're dealing with that, there's throwing it into a bottle and selling it. They decided to keep barrels on the shelf. I mean, that's just incredibly weird.
Speaker 2:No, I mean just leaving. This year you got a 23 Pappy I mean that's 22 years, the 23 Pappy. You year you got a 23 Pappy I mean that's 22 years, the 23-year-old Pappy which is still stuff that they were using, that they had purchased. So they're making the Pappy blends. You know the 23 is being made with stuff that they initially had you got to be happy with. Now you're starting to get the Pappy Van Winkles that were produced here at the Buffalo Trace Distillery. But this Millennium Weller Millennium is right up there with the first. There's no other Weller like it. It's a one of a kind. They don't have anything like it and everything I'm hearing online is it's pretty much spectacular. The one thing when you're getting an older blend, you're worried about it being over oaked, right, and everybody's saying that it absolutely isn't. So it'll be interesting to see what you do with this bottle.
Speaker 4:So anyways, you went with your nobody's more interested in knowing the outcome of that than me I don't know.
Speaker 2:There's more people, I don't know. You went, you went, you'll know the outcome and you kind of have an idea, a little bit probably, of what you want to do with it. But at the same time I know you and you don't usually you're you're thinking, I know you're not going to probably try and auction it off for your charity. It's a good chance you're not going to do that. That's. That would be a rough ticket, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you agree for charity? I mean, it's just now.
Speaker 4:If someone was most of the groups that we support as a family are ones that are smaller than local Right, and I just don't. This is a. This is something that has to be put on a national stage in order to garner those buyers that can afford to write a big check.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're going to. They donate $40,000. They get an $8,000 bottle of booze but at the same time then your other thing is you're known for trading. I mean I think you could bury yourself in Pappy if you wanted to. I mean, you probably could pull off a lot of 15s, some 20s, get some decent amount of Pappy.
Speaker 4:that's for sure If secondary on this really does approach $20,000,. You're talking about probably being able to pick up the Buffalo Antique Collection plus the entire happy collection.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe even that little room that's what the guy that I was talking in line said. He goes, I could get the whole pappy line and the b-tac collection just for the one bottle and I'm just going. Well, and you know, it's funny because when you trade for something like this, you think you paid $7,500 and then plus tax, which is right around $8,000.
Speaker 4:It's $8,146.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so, but you can't go off of that. You have to go, because when you're trading for a bottle of Pappy, you're not trading for $129 bottle of Pappy or $199 bottle of Pappy, you're trading for a $2,500 bottle of Pappy. You know what I mean. You're throwing out, but at the same time, now the secondary aspect of this value comes in to be able to acquire a decent amount of something you might want now. Then there's always the part of you that you might keep it, it's, it's, it's there.
Speaker 2:I mean I, I know you, you now, if I kept it, then there's whether or not the biggest question are you going to open it and drink some of it? Because as soon as you pop that top you're talking. It's worse than driving a car off the lot, right, but you know you might give it a couple years and see how you're doing and it might be almost nothing to do that. So, who knows? Yep, okay, so that I mean honestly, I'm glad that you came on, because the mental process to do that I know one. You have to have means and you definitely have some means to do it. So initially, when I thought, when I heard about this and I even told it to you, you're going to want to be there because you have the means to participate, there was no doubt about that in my mind. Me, on the other hand, there's never a time where I even thought of either bottle. I don't, you know.
Speaker 4:See, I have to tell you I would have been half tempted if I would have gotten the Double Eagle to crack it right there in the parking lot and take the Swig out of the bottle.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah Just to freak people out, yeah, but even the Double Eagle one out of all the Buffalo Trace products, even Blanton's included, I think Eagle rare has been my least favorite expression. So just because it's in a fancy bottle and it's aged a little bit further doesn't mean I'm going to like it. I mean Weller intrigues me because I absolutely love Weller and I liked as you get more. I mean I love Weller 12. I love what is the proof, by the way.
Speaker 4:That's a good question. Let's look. Is it barrel strength? I pulled it up on the website and Buffalo Trace doesn't have it on their website.
Speaker 2:Of course they don't. It's a bottle that. How many bottles were, did they say? Doesn't have it on their website? Of course they don't. It's a bottle that. How many bottles did they say?
Speaker 4:It doesn't say on their website Okay, it would be very interesting.
Speaker 2:Hey Walker, you out there, tell us what the proof is on Weller Millennium. Yeah, but I mean, like I said, I just Googled it.
Speaker 4:Oh it's 99 proof 99 proof.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it's all about the Millennium, right? It's the last year of 2000, or 19, the 1900s, 1999, right into the, as prince said, party over but you know it says it's a blend of 2000, 2003, 2005 and 2006 there you go, and that is the. That's the key, and this blend is supposed to be spectacular for the what's in the bottle.
Speaker 4:It's supposed to be damn good well, and I think I think bt was um looking at secondary for 25 year pappy and this is a our 23 year pappy and this is a blended 23 ish year bottle of the same mash bill and said you know, people are paying seven, eight grand for this stuff in the secondary, sometimes more. I'm just going to charge seven, eight grand for the bottle and take the secondary out, never thinking in a million years that the secondary will say, well, it's $7,500. So now you know we want 15,000 or 20,000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but to be able to get 15 or 20,000, that's a whole different. You're entering into a whole different ballgame. I get it, but you know, for the amount of bottles they're putting out, you're not. You might get four or five people to give you that. It's just like. There's just not that many people in the world willing to spend $14,000, $15,000 on a bottle. It's just not a possibility. Now, trading $14,000 of something that has, you know, secondary for secondary, you're in the game. I mean, you've got a bottle that will pull in a decent amount of other secondary bottles and you're not going to be paying. My favorite is when you're talking about secondary trading. Is that, for somehow you're trying to buy a bottle of Pappy off Not buy trade a bottle of Pappy off somebody that they pay 200 for for the, the 15 year, but somehow you have to pay 1200 for it. Let's just say, which is secondary for the and that's probably cheap for a 15 right, 1200 for trading, and the value what?
Speaker 4:oh yeah, that's. That's on the low side right.
Speaker 2:But then when you have weller green or weller red to trade them, you're not trading secondary the value that they're going to sell it for to to pull it in, you're trading price that you paid. It's the dumbest thing ever. It's like $25 each is what you paid with tax for the Weller Special Reserve and you got to give them 60, whatever bottles you know. Four, let's say, 12, six, six times six, 36, 36 bottles of it. You don't get a secondary price for it. You actually have to pay what you paid to get the. So it's like you could have just given them the $1,200. And been done with it.
Speaker 4:Buying with cash in Ohio is technically illegal.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about buying with cash, I'm just talking about it should be a secondary. They turn around and they sell that for $125 in Pennsylvania or whatever while you're trading it, but you're trading the straight up value for the secondary market of a Pappy. I just always thought that was stupid. It's just like why don't you just give it? Sure, I'll give you eight greens for the $200 that you spent on the Pappy. You know the actual $200 that it was. You know it don't work that way though, does it? It doesn't Well, and it doesn't work that way for me, because I just don't do it. It's not worth it to me. Anyways, let's see.
Speaker 1:It's.
Speaker 2:Woodford 150, derby Range. Yeah, I don't know. I thought that was a really good event today. I think that the state of Ohio, for having 400 people at a liquor store, move them through as fast as you probably can. I think they're getting better at their events. I give a big shout out to Ann on that one, don't you? I mean I do.
Speaker 4:And I'll tell you they were laser beam focused. I think they probably had a couple of rough spots at some other events and had learned from them. Because they were on it. They knew exactly what to do. Everything was a machine. It was well-oiled. I didn't see anything about that. That didn't make me think that I mean they were on top of their game.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 4:As a matter of fact, I didn't even wait for a ticket, tiny, I walked right up I think I was three people deep, people deep had a ticket in my hand, filled it out, shot it up back to him and I was on my way to try to find you within 10 minutes.
Speaker 4:And that was after I talked to and for a couple of minutes. So shout out to ann and the team. And I mean I know those people were in a frenzy for a bit because there were so many people and, to be honest with you, I mean it looked like there was a lot of people. But man, when it came, I know those people were in a frenzy for a bit because there were so many people and, to be honest with you, I mean it looked like there was a lot of people. But man, when it came time to do the drawing and like car doors just opened and people were just, I mean they were just congregating and keep moving closer and closer, I'm like holy crap, there is a ton of people here, yep. So I was just shocked at how that went and everybody that actually showed up. I mean I was just shocked at how that went.
Speaker 2:And everybody that actually showed up. I mean I was shocked at how it worked. Yeah, I had seen the other events and I knew from the other events, especially CT had been at the one in Dayton on the first day and he said that was the same thing. It's like we're dealing with the 90s. So a lot of people did want to go to the car. The people that were allowed into Top Shelf here, that was air-conditioned in there, but they were only letting 20 people in at a time. And then when one person came out, it was know it was one to one to one to one. Now the one guy came in and he was wearing a bourbon hunter shirt and he's like, can I go in there and I just want a bottle of vodka. And we're all like, yeah, right, but he didn't skip in line or do anything. He bought his bottle of vodka and left. So it was a I. I thought for the amount of people and these events that ohlq are, they're getting better at the events, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:But then when you go online, there's not a lot of negative feedback Now, leading up to this, there was some people that were complaining about the. You know had eight grand to spend on a bottle and the way that the lot you had a good chance to get that bottle just as much as a tater could, or if a tater could or couldn't. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:I mean I mean there was no line Right. There wasn't like hey, somebody got here at six o'clock the night before and, you know, skipped their shower, slept in a chair outside and you know they just outlasted everybody. It didn't matter if you got there at 11 o'clock and were first in line, or you got there at 125. Everybody had the same chance. And, to be honest with you, I'd almost prefer that we did that all across the state to avoid these lines. And you know the campaign.
Speaker 2:Yeah, except you look, they were able to do this over three days at six different liquor stores and you know the amount of liquor they're selling across the state. They're just not feasible. I mean one the Ohio Liquor Board or the amount of employees they have at OHLQ can't cover every liquor store. I think there's 225 across the state. It would be nice if they could do this, but it just, you know, if you left it up to the store owners, it would just get.
Speaker 2:That would just open up a whole different can of worms right there rigged rigged raffles rigged, this rigged, that you know when you're doing it with the ohlq right now, in these things you do not get any feeling of any kind of wrong doing going on.
Speaker 4:It's just straightforward I will say it is 100 on the up yep.
Speaker 2:So all right, uh, what a what a night. Uh, it's been uh fun. I I'm glad. I think I I really liked this podcast whiskey because of the fact that, getting into your way, I you know, because I, from the moment I gotta tell you I had, I had a moment, I.
Speaker 4:So this box again is huge and it weighs up, yeah, and I'm walking out and, uh, I'm carrying this box it's. I walk out of the cold air conditioning in a 93 degree heat. Everyone's saying carry it from the bottom because they want to make sure the bottle doesn't fall out. So I got my arms around this thing and some guy says so you're a big winner. And I looked right at him and said it was $8,000. Am I.
Speaker 2:No, honestly, I have to agree, that's not something that you know. You have to one be able to have it and you do have the money, but you respect your money and it was a process to get there of them on the shelf right without there being an event, without there being this. You know, freddie here signing all these people here for this one thing I don't know if you just walk into the liquor store, see that up on the shelf and drop eight grand, I don't it's just that I can tell you.
Speaker 4:Uh, it wouldn't have been there for me to drop the eight grand, because the taters would have come and taken them.
Speaker 2:I understand, but let's just say, you know, it's not like, yeah, they have the money to get that, but basically I think the way this went, a few of them might have got one, but overall in this raffle the people who aren't taters that wanted one had a shot at getting it too. Right, I mean, yeah, I agree, the people who aren't taters that wanted one had a shot at getting it too.
Speaker 4:Right, I mean. I mean it was unfortunate because, again, just recognizing faces from lines and who posts on, you know, social media sites and other trading sites. I'd say at least half the bottles that were taken out of the store today were are already online and of those half, probably a third or half are already sold right, but but I don't think they're getting a lot of people saw this as a way to pay for their business well, I know that.
Speaker 2:I talked to a couple people who said if they won they already knew somebody who wanted the bottle, so they were there for them we even talked about it and, to be honest with you, that that did pass through my mind.
Speaker 4:Um, tiny is I know. Ahead of time, you said, hey, there's somebody in kentucky that wants this bottle. And uh, I was like I guess, if push comes to shove and I have buyer's remorse and I go, oh man, what the hell did I just do? I figured you know doing the two of us we can always call them up and say so, this bottle is available. You know I'm not looking to make anything, so right, I mean you want the bottle.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I always felt that in the secondary market, if you're reasonable on what you're, you know you were there that day. You won the lottery, you picked it up, you put the upfront money and then you drove it back to your house and then you somehow have to get it to them or they have to get it to you. There's a non-secondary service charge that every person who ever does that should be able to charge. I mean there should be even a percentage that they should throw out there that you're not selling secondary. You're basically you have a charge plus the bottle is being sold for retail. I mean there's a value in it.
Speaker 2:I think every single secondary market. When you're paying for it, you're not paying more for the bottle, You're paying for the ability to purchase the bottle because someone else did the work. You know what was it Thursday afternoon most people have. You know you have to get off work or you have to take your lunch hour or you had to do whatever. You had to do a lot of different things to be able to get that. So that's one thing.
Speaker 2:That's the way I've always looked at it, although, once again, I don't usually participate Not usually, I've never participated in the secondary market. It's just not something that I do as far as if I know if I'm gonna get something, it's gonna well. And then it's also funny because the state of kentucky, every single good bottle on the shelf at a liquor store, is secondary market. I mean, I don't care what you say. Yes, they're legally selling it at a liquor store, but they aren't selling it for the price that they paid and they're not just making you know nine percent, like they're supposed to. They're making you know that's a free. You can do what you want. There are exceptions.
Speaker 4:I mean your grocery stores, your Kroger's down there, I mean they still charge MSR, your wholesale flood, same thing. But sorry, somebody's coming in my door, somebody's coming in my door, um, but uh, it's, uh, it's there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of stores that don't charge msrp. Well, yeah, and then if they don't charge msrp, then you actually regular 150, you know, yeah, uh, your weller, your weller.
Speaker 2:12 is mean, yeah, yeah there's a lot of stores like yeah, and the reason why they're there. The bottles are there because people don't pay the price. I always say, oh, this guy, he's charging too much. It's like, look at this, there's all these bottles. And I'm just like you do realize, if he wasn't charging that much, those bottles wouldn't be there. It's just like consider yourself lucky that you got to actually see what it looked like in person.
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