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#1751 - The Best And Worst Advice Ever…

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Is “never get married” really the worst advice? Join Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros in our latest podcast episode as they explore life advice beyond the clichés. Dive into personal stories, celebrate small victories, and gain insights into relationships and goal-setting.

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Show notes:
(2:44) Best and worst given
(5:26) Marriage
(7:52) “Aim high”
(10:23) Importance of incremental goals and self-belief
(12:50) Feels too unnatural
(15:00) Balancing natural inclinations and personal growth
(18:16) Next Level Dreamliner: the planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/f1FWAQA
(20:21) “Big things start small”
(24:39) Life’s wisdom
(27:34) Worst and dangerous advice
(34:26) Outro

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Speaker 1

Next Level Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University, where we help you level up your life, your love, your health and your wealth. We, no, no today sorry we switched the way we do the intro. I've been doing it for so long. It's just autopilot Today for episode number 1751, the best and worst advice ever. I was peeing and then I thought of this episode, for some reason.

Speaker 2

Nice.

Speaker 1

Or showering One of the two Usually those are where my thoughts come in or both. No, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I used to pee in the shower. 100%, everybody does. Hey look, everybody does.

Speaker 2

There's two types of people in this world. There's people who pee in the shower and there's liars. My wife does not, I know and I know.

Speaker 1

And then there's also taryn I was- forced to stop and it was devastating so if you want to judge me, because I have peed in the shower at prior times. You may do so, but I no longer do it. I'm clean. So I was thinking of this episode based on the fact that we were talking to amy on one of our calls recently and we were talking about how we have gotten some terrible advice in the past, some just downright terrible advice from mentors or friends or family or whoever. I think we were speaking specifically on mentors and I said that would be a cool episode to do.

Speaker 1

What is the best piece of advice we've ever been given and what is the worst? The worst piece of advice I've ever been given is an easy one. For me, it doesn't have to do with business or entrepreneurship or any of that. The worst piece of advice I've ever gotten was don't ever get married. It's a trap. That's the worst advice I've ever gotten. And when I look back, it makes sense, because most of the people that gave me that advice were unhappy men and again, not to generalize, but I wasn't necessarily hanging out with groups of women. I was hanging out with groups of men, or I'd meet someone and they'd say, oh, you know the old ball and chain. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the other.

Speaker 2

The other reason I was- the missus, the missus, that kind of thing. The boss and I say that, say that occasionally as a joke. Think about the metaphor of ball and chain. I know it's like being chained down to an anchor.

Speaker 1

It's a tough one.

Speaker 2

That's not a good metaphor for someone you love.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's not a good metaphor for it's a good metaphor for something you hate, for sure yeah. You know like yeah, no, your job kind of does suck. I can understand why you feel like you're anchored there. I was watching a dumb sitcom that I like to watch when I'm turning my brain off, called Rules of Engagement. There's a movie called Rules of Engagement as well, it's not that?

Speaker 2

David Spade's in it. I never saw it either.

Speaker 1

David Spade's in of it joe dirt but it is.

Speaker 2

It is super funny the 90s they came out with some stupid movies. This is the 2000s, son. Oh, early 2000s as well, mid-2000s, yeah this.

Speaker 1

Yeah, this wasn't that long ago. I don't think when you say mid-2000s, you're talking like 2005. No, no, I mean like 2000, 2010s. Oh gotcha, probably I'd have to look. But it's one of those things where there's a group of guys and one of the guys is engaged and everybody's ragging on him Like, oh, you're getting ready for execution, you're on death row now. And when I was listening to that I was like it's the dumbest thing ever. It's the dumbest thing ever. That's like saying saying what is that? Like saying you do something and it goes terribly wrong, mostly because of you. You have a lot of influence in why it goes terrible and then you tell someone else not to do it. Yeah, well, it's going to be terrible for you too. I don't know. I don't really think the way you approached it was very positive or constructive, so that's probably the dumbest advice I've ever heard. I understand based on the fact that 50 of marriages end up in divorce, so a lot of the for every piece of good advice you get now, is it?

Speaker 2

it's more than that, yeah, and the divorce rate for people in their 20s, people who get married in their 20s, and for anyone, by the way, who is married. Please just understand. Don't hate the statistician, just the statistics. Right, nice, nice, thank you. So I think it's way higher for people who get married in their 20s makes sense yeah, well, because you're still very young, you.

Speaker 1

You don't know.

Speaker 2

I mean how much have we changed in the decade? Right, a lot and very little.

Speaker 1

A lot In some ways. But so for every good piece of advice you get, there's at least five pieces of bad advice that you're going to get when it comes to relationships. Statistically speaking, when Taryn and I are out, she always asks people, she always asks married couples, and I always make a joke. I say, babe, just because they give us advice doesn't mean it's good advice. We don't know what's going on behind when they go back home, we don't know what's happening. They're at a wedding, with a couple of cocktails, everybody's having a good time. They might fire off some good advice, but we don't know what's happening back home.

Marriage

Speaker 1

So, yeah, that's probably the worst advice I've ever gotten is don't get married. It's a trap. Or when you get married, you give up your freedom in some way, shape or form. Yeah, if you marry someone who isn't aligned, sure, but I think marriage has been wonderful and I've learned so much about myself and my wife and I've grown a lot, and we've grown together and we've grown in our own ways. And so, yeah, what is the worst advice you've ever been given, sir? We'll start with the.

Speaker 2

That's actually way harder than the other question.

Speaker 1

That's why I went there.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I told Kev before this. I said I don't. I've gotten so much bad advice, genuinely. I don't know what it would be. It's so hard to pick one. It's like when someone asks your favorite movie. I have one, but there's a list.

Speaker 1

Is your favorite movie? Good Will Hunting?

Speaker 2

No it's up there, though it's changed. Then it was Good Will Hunting. It was Good Will Hunting way back. The Lion King resonates very deeply because of the father. They're coming out with a new one, real life one, not real life one, but animated. You know how? There's the cartoon and then they make yeah, the computer generated.

Speaker 1

I don't really get it, to be honest.

Speaker 2

There's a new one coming out Called Mufasa. Okay, anyways, I'm excited. So Worst piece I've gotten. So I don't know. I need to think. I need more time to think. You want to start with the best? Yes, go on. The best is you already know this. When I was young I got I got ridiculed One time for saying this, and it's always. I just laugh so hard.

Speaker 1

Oh yeah, no.

Speaker 2

You know the advice Of course.

Speaker 2

One time Kev and I were doing an episode about this. So the piece of advice I got when I was very young my mom. I actually gave her credit for this. I was texting her recently I said thank you so much for this. The best advice I ever got was my mom sat me down and she really lectured on this and I really listened. I don't think my sister listened nearly as much as I did. And here's the problem too when you listen, you often listen to the good advice and the bad advice, and I told my mom straight up listen, you've given me some terrible advice too, but I do wanna give you credit. This was amazing advice. Okay, alan, we get it. What's the advice? She sat me down.

"Aim high"

Speaker 2

When you aim high in life, you'll have choices. If you decide to go for CEO, you can wake up one day and decide you know what I'm unhappy I'm going to be a farmer. But it doesn't work the other way around. So you've got to aim high. And she taught me to aim high and I actually texted her this recently. I said I took that to heart. I aimed as high as you can aim in everything. That to heart. I aimed as high as you can aim in everything, and I now realize that you need a lot of self-belief to do that. But I wonder to myself, if I always aimed high, I would have to build self-belief in order to achieve those things. So I wonder if it's chicken or egg.

Speaker 2

And so Kevin and I, we try really hard to break this down. So we don't think you should aim super, super high and then crush your self-esteem and self-confidence when you fail. It's bumper sticker, self-improvement, right there it is. We think instead, what you should do is aim really high in terms of your vision. I think this is the way I would articulate it Try to aim at the highest good that you can believe in, that you can conceptualize and believe in the highest good, not just for your family and for you, but for the world. And then, or that's the vision, that's the vision board, that's the future. But then you have to create these little incremental goals along the vision. That's the vision board, that's the future. But then you have to create these little incremental goals along the way and Kevin and I just finished doing that today we did our quarterly goals for Q3 today and make sure those are achievable. So it's almost like the vision can be really pie in the sky. It really can. But the quarterly, monthly, weekly, daily goals need to be very achievable because apparently and I there's a book called the molecule of more and it talks about dopamine receptors and how dopamine is actually supposed to be a reward chemical for achievement, and so when you achieve something and you make progress toward a meaningful goal, you get more dopamine, and the neuroscience shows that if you fail too much, too often, you actually lose dopamine receptors.

Speaker 2

And so I think as a young boy whether it was video games or sports or whatever I did a lot of stuff as a kid. I think I just gained a lot of dopamine receptors and in the book it's called dopaminergic. Uh, people with high levels of dopamine are very intense and very driven, that kind of thing. But it's also you can change it over time. Like I think you have rewired a lot in the last seven years towards way more of an achievement orientation. I think it would be very hard for you to like take a month off. I know you think it would be easy. It would be easy.

Importance of incremental goals and self-belief

Speaker 1

I took two weeks off in Scotland. I'm telling you it'd be easy really. Yeah, you wouldn't miss achievement turn it off, it's, I think it's because I'm not naturally wired the way you are, so I think you can always the the path to your natural is always a little bit less. It's paved tighter. Yeah, you know, is there any science behind what I'm saying? But but what about?

Speaker 2

it would be easier for you to take a month off seven years ago than now.

Speaker 1

Well, I mean, I wasn't doing much back then.

Speaker 2

But what I meant is you were better at R&R back then.

Speaker 1

You like achievement more now? Yes, yes, yes, yes, but I still like R&R.

Speaker 2

More than achievement.

Speaker 1

No, it gets boring and unfulfilling. Yeah, but if you said you're going to spend a month traveling the finest places in Spain, it's like I could hammer out 30 episodes. You and I, we could hammer out 30 episodes. I could take some time for me and my wife, fair. I don't think that I. Yeah, well, you're not supposed to be doing that. We had a conversation right before this where I was like dude, I think I whispered to Alan. I said hey, man, can I tell you something? I think I like traveling. I think I like I don't know man, I'm afraid of planes, but I think I kind of think cool and that's what he said.

Speaker 2

He said cool, that's, that's what you should be doing, real quick. One more piece of advice that was really powerful in hindsight one of my mentors, very successful ceo of tech companies, robotics companies. He said never do anything that feels too unnatural. And I was actually talking to him at the time about my relationship because I was asking him if it, if the way I felt, was normal cause he had been divorced. And he said Alan, don't do anything that feels too unnatural, because I'm an achiever at heart. I always have been, I always will be and I'm I'm finally accepting that about myself, obviously, but back then I was with a non achiever, and Emilia is an achiever through and through.

Feels too unnatural

Speaker 2

I mean to her core and my last girlfriend wasn't like at all and I wondered to myself is this ever going to work? Can I actually be with someone who, like, doesn't care about achievement? I don't know why I say like so much. It's so annoying and the answer is no. There's no way. In hindsight it's very obvious no way. Now does that mean they have to be the same level of achiever as me? Emilia is a higher achiever than I am prior to meeting me, but sometimes that's back and forth though, because we're both extremely type a achievers.

Speaker 2

But if you're out there watching or listening to bring this to you, he said don't, don't do anything. That feels too unnatural, and I think what he was trying to say is you can't, you can't improve who you are, but you can't change who you are at your core fully. You know. You know how people always argue People don't change, people can't change. And then on the other side, people are like no, of course you can. Growth mindset. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think you can improve everything about yourself, kev, but I think there's certain things that your natural inclinations, whether it's epigenetics and or your upbringing, or both nature versus nurture, I inclinations, whether it's epigenetics and or your upbringing, or both, nature versus nurture. I think there's certain things that are never, never going to fully change. I agree, and I think that's a hell of a duality, but anyways.

Speaker 1

I think you can over. You can. I don't want to say over improve, but you can improve out of alignment, when you've heard me say this before. You'd ask me do you think this person's going to be really successful? And I'd say I feel like too much of their character and who they are at their essence would have to change. No, Because I don't think it would be good for them. I actually don't think it would be good for them to be the level of successful that they say they want to be, just being somebody who has had to change so much about myself.

Speaker 2

Luckily, I'm still in alignment, but you were way more accurate than I thought.

Speaker 1

Well, I think I was somebody who didn't really know. I thought I knew what I wanted. I thought I knew what it would require of me to get what I wanted, and then I realized pretty quickly that I had no idea what any of that really meant. Honestly, how do you know? And I didn't know what.

Balancing natural inclinations and personal growth

Speaker 2

I I didn't understand. You said if you're wrong about one thing, you're wrong about everything, and I think there's a lot of truth to that. I think it's one of the best quotes ever. If I don't understand that it's part of my nature to be an achiever, I will unintentionally project that onto other people. Because when I found self-improvement to me, it was how could anyone not be obsessed with self-improvement? Self-improvement is the answer. I mean, it's the way you achieve everything you want in life. Without self-improvement, there goes my relationship with Amelia gone. There goes this business gone. There goes my health and fitness gone. Everything of value in life, I think, is a byproduct of becoming a better version of who you are, and to me that was the one thing that makes the most sense. Once I figured that out and I couldn't understand why so little amount of the world was was as obsessed as I was. But now I understand, and so do you empathize, can you can?

Speaker 1

do you empathize with that? Now, not empath, uh, yeah, maybe understands a better phrase, because you you just said you would put your beliefs on other people and I think that's what people are doing to you when they tell you to hey man, you ever thought of taking a day off?

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I would say I've matured and yes, but it's a duality, because you also have to hold a standard, for sure. I mean, where do you draw the line on that? Well, well, what if I don't want to take care of my kids?

Speaker 2

okay, well, what if I don't want right so the whole world goes to crap when you allow anyone to be anything you know. So, again, it's not my job to tell other people who they should be, but I do believe in this is the duality. I do believe that everyone should would benefit. Everyone would benefit from self-improvement. Here's the thing I used to say you can achieve this and become this. Now I say let's uncover who you really are and then improve from that place and let's set goals from that place, because if your goals are based on low self-awareness, you you're in trouble. So for you, what's the best advice you ever got?

Speaker 1

I was told one time by a wee lad A wee lad at the time. I think that the best piece of advice I was ever given. Was he wee at the time. He was wee at the time.

Speaker 2

Was probably from you.

Speaker 1

Probably from you. The time he was we at the time was probably probably from you. It's probably from you and he was we.

Speaker 1

He was we. Yeah, you were we. You were. We are than you are today. That's how it works muscularly. No, just I don't know. Just go with the story, okay, yeah, yeah, just ad lib it, just go with the story. You were we. What were you having? You had a sandwich that day. What kind of sandwich was it? It was bologna and cheese. Bologna and cheese, and you had chips. Were they salt and vinnies? Or were they um onion potato chips.

Speaker 1

Okay, perfect, excellent improv, yeah, yeah, this I, I, uh, you wanted to be an actor. You wanted to be in hollywood for for a time.

Speaker 2

I can see why you wanted to be an actor you wanted to be in Hollywood For a time.

Speaker 1

I can see why you wanted To be behind the scenes.

Speaker 2

Emilia and I improv. You know why I we go off the rails with this. And then I wrote on my unicorn Into the forest when there was fairies and Steve McQueen came out With thick ass glasses and we just do. We do like story time like that. So I actually had to lock A lot up there.

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Speaker 1

Okay, so I actually had to lock a lot up there. Okay, that seems to me like something somebody would say if they didn't know what to say, they would make up a story about doing it. You know what I mean? Like I could lift all the weight in this gym. I, honestly, usually do that behind closed doors. I don't like to draw that much attention to myself.

Speaker 2

It's just kind of a thing for me.

Speaker 1

I get nervous in public. So what was the advice the best? Yeah, from the we lad. Probably big things start small. That is probably. It's not really. I don't know if you consider it advice, but it kind of is if you take it as the potential for advice.

Speaker 1

If I've learned anything we just had a conversation right before this about something similar to this, it's. I understand why most people quit, because it doesn't seem like you're making almost any progress for most of the time. Yeah, it's brutal and this is. I've had, I've said many quotes and I'm not I'm not pumping my own tires here, but this is the quote that resonated the most with me was most people will look at somebody who's 10 years ahead of them and assume that's where they've been forever, and they'll assume that where they are in this moment is where they're going to be stuck forever. And it's really hard to one of Alan's, one of I won't put words in your, your mouth one of the people that alan used to look up to I don't know if you still do greg plitt had something on his. One of his quotes was it's what you do in the dash so you're born on this down here.

Speaker 2

It's what you do in the dash. It's a wooden plaque, I I think he's very motivating and I think he had a lot of truth that he delivered in a powerful way that helps you stay motivated.

"Big things start small"

Speaker 1

He's no longer a hero but he definitely helps me stay motivated in fitness it's what you do in the dash, kind of along the same lines is when somebody's been doing something for 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years, all you see is today you see the result of the work over the time, and big things start small. Everything started small. Everything started small and a lot of things still feel very small because they're going to get much bigger. So that's helped me. Still feel very small because they're going to get much bigger, so that's helped me. Yeah, that's helped me tremendously. Podcast Growth U has like 3,000 listens or something, and in my mind it's like I don't even care. I don't care if it has any list. I could care less, that's 3,000.

Speaker 2

That's three times what we had. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

Well, it's more. I've done 104 episodes. I'm two years into this bad luck. Oh, you're two years in, so I'm actually way below.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but we were full time on that. That's the difference is we were full time.

Speaker 1

But it's not even about that. To me it's. I'm grateful for everyone who's listened. I'm grateful for all the levels of impact I'm having. I'm going to do it for the next however long, and it'll grow and it'll just keep growing and and that's just not something I had, that's not a perspective I had in the beginning. So I would say big things start small.

Speaker 2

Let me add this real quick as long as, in tandem, you are still putting all you you're, are you putting in? You can't just let it grow. You have to also improve your craft and try to add more value over time.

Speaker 1

And I think that's the caveat is. Well, that would have been a long lesson, so I just of course I just started with this, I assumed you'd jump in.

Speaker 2

I love this man. You know what I was thinking about. I know we gotta transition to the bad advice. I'm postponing because I don't know so much bad advice.

Speaker 2

It's just like a I picture a giant garbage truck with most of what anyone's ever told me. The thing I was thinking about recently I I had a client who asked me my five favorite books. And they're behind me. You actually can't see them on camera right now, but they're always behind me on my zoom. And I said, just so you know, I need to make this clear. It's not because the authors are great. I actually don't even want to associate with people anymore. It's like a thing now because there's too many. Even greg plitt, there's too much. Don't associate me with him. I like ideas. I said it's the concepts and the ideas that matter. She's like well, why those books? So the books are rationality, essentialism, the compound effect, the 15 invaluable laws of growth and and it was Atomic Habits. I switched it to Same as Ever by Morgan Housel. I don't know Morgan Housel. I know his books and I know his work and it seems to me like he's a standup gentleman, but I don't know him behind the scenes. I told this client it's not because of the authors.

Speaker 2

It's very hard for me to separate the authors from the work because I think character matters most in life. But Brene Brown's work. Let me give you an example. Brene Brown's work is magnificent. Brene Brown herself is not a bad person. Please don't hate me for saying this. She's a little bit of a mess in my opinion. She's a little all over the place and again, I'm projecting onto her, based on my standards. The point is is Brene, it's her work that I think is magnificent, and I think Brene herself is magnificent in her own right too. But that's not what I'm focused on. If I, if I listen to her work and it changes my life, I think this is a unique thing for me. I wonder if other people can separate the person from the work.

Speaker 1

I think as much as. I think they try okay, but anyways so the reason why I think, I think, they, they. I don't know if I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 2

I don't know if people want to it's hard to do, because I have some speeches that are magnificent in terms of learning that I can't stand the person.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

So and that's really hard for me. Genuinely it's hard to separate. It really is, especially if I think you're a bad human being. But I don't want to associate with anyone anymore. In a way, it's this weird thing that I'm going through where I even say the steve jobs quote behind me. I say, well, he was a hero of mine. He no longer is. And it's not that I don't respect his work and admire many things about him, but there's so many things about him I don't admire and I think that anyways, the point of all that is, I care and you'll notice this from now on, anyone listening if you listen to kevin and i's show.

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Speaker 2

I love ideas and concepts. That's what I live for is ideas, understandings and concepts. I don't care. Uh, I don't talk. You know it's person's places, things and ideas. I don't talk about person's places and things nearly as much as I talk about ideas. And have you ever heard that quote of mediocre minds? I think it was eleanor Roosevelt. She said mediocre minds talk about people. Good minds talk about places and things. Don't look at me like I'm the quote guy.

Speaker 1

I don't know, I know what it is.

Speaker 2

Great minds talk about ideas. Yeah, I think great minds talk about ideas they're going to implement to make the world a better place. That's what we do on this podcast. We're always talking about ideas. Yeah, we shoot the shit about classic rock versus alternative rock, and occasionally we'll talk about energy drinks or whatever we go on tangents, but at the end of the day, the point is to help everyone have a deeper understanding and to to build bigger, better, brighter future so, anyways, let's go.

Speaker 1

The worst advice you've ever gotten I'm leaving. What is it?

Speaker 2

stop delaying the worst advice I've ever gotten. Okay, the worst advice I've ever gotten is something along and I've gotten this advice in many different packages from many different people you should Try to achieve more by doing less. I think that that's Terrible advice. I think it's dangerous advice, and the reason why is it's so layered. So I'll go quick with this, but I'm reading a book right now called 10x is easier than 2x, and this client my clients often reach out to me and ask books and if anyone wants, by the way, I'll give you my top 10 books. There's 100 and I looked this up yesterday there's 129 million books published in history my goodness, most of them, in my opinion, are garbage.

Speaker 2

I'm trying to find the valuable ones that can really change your world, and I've been curating that for nine years now. So my top 10 books, I'll give them to you, and we're also creating an NLU book list and all that stuff. But anyway, so reach out, alan at nextleveluniversecom. The link will be in the show notes or my email will be in the show notes. Why was I talking about all that? Hold on.

Speaker 1

You got this. I do I know I'm there with you.

Speaker 2

I forget.

Speaker 1

Oh my God, this keeps happening, so it was right there it was right there for me and then when I started laughing, it escaped my. It was like I'm out.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I told Kev recently Hold on, we're here. I think I'm approaching burnout. Yeah, I'm so sorry listeners Alan usually has a steel trap.

Speaker 1

and even today I was like, hey, man, I think you're a little bit off, I am.

Speaker 2

I'm not as sharp as I once was.

Speaker 1

So you were talking about books.

Speaker 2

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1

This is the worst advice you've ever been given. Oh, work less. Yes.

Speaker 2

Okay, I'm reading a 10x is easier than 2x and this client reached out to me asking what book she should read next because she's loving same as ever. Shout out to anyone in book club same as ever by morgan household. You guys are loving it. Appreciate all the love, keep it up. Awesome, awesome, awesome. And I wanted to recommend 10x is easier than 2x because it is an important book.

Speaker 2

But I had this moment. I was like helen don't recommend that book if she takes it literally and can't understand the layers of it. It's dangerous, and the reason why is because the whole book is predicated on how to achieve more by doing less. It's very dangerous for someone who doesn't understand the principle of the Pareto, principle that we can't get into now. But for someone who already works 80 hours a week, like Emilia and I, it's a really good book because we're going to work smarter and not harder, because you can only work so hard until you burn out, which I'm obviously doing. So I need that book.

Speaker 2

Someone who's not yet working the eight hours a week. It's very dangerous because I think people who say work smart, not hard which also I would put in the category of the bad advice what they don't realize is that, kev, you and I worked hard before we could figure out how to work smart. Some of the breakthroughs we've had came from working so hard that we had no choice but to innovate, and so that's the worst advice I ever got is try to achieve more with less, and by doing less, I should say and try to work smart, not hard. I think those are both very dangerous advice, particularly for young people, and you and I, statistically speaking, are still very young.

Speaker 1

I would agree. Yeah, I agree, because there's just like anything else, there's layers. It's really hard to preface it with. If you are already maximizing the amount of effort you can put in based on the time you have, then we should focus on working smarter, because that's not you can't put that on anything, it's just too. It's too long, it's too in-depth. But yeah, I would definitely. I would definitely agree. I was going to add something.

Speaker 2

Maybe I wasn't kevin and I are both gonna work on some r&r because it looks like we might be burning out.

Speaker 1

No, I, I think for me it was very. This was kind of a freestyle friday. On a tuesday, kevin and I are both going to work on some R&R because it looks like we might be burning out.

Speaker 2

No, I think for me this was kind of a freestyle Friday on a Tuesday. What was your best advice? Did you already give it? Yeah, it was you son.

Speaker 1

Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice Kids out here in the forest with his chips and riding his unicorns.

Speaker 2

Steve McQueen's there with his thick ass glasses. Baby, you know the work hard, not smart thing or work smart, not hard thing. I think it's work hard until you get to a place where you learn, then work smart, then get to that new level, the next level, and then work hard, then innovate to the next level, then work smart, then work hard. I think it's work hard, then smart, then hard, then smart, then hard, then smart. I think everything's a duality and I was never taught it.

Speaker 2

I don't think you were either, dude no, no, no in school we never were taught the understanding of holding two seemingly opposing ideas in your consciousness simultaneously. I think that's gotta be the most important thing in the world.

Speaker 1

I dig it, I dig it alright, all right. Next, on the nation group coaching. So if you're listening to this on Tuesday, which this episode is dropping, tuesday, seven days from today, we have our 15th round of group coaching starting. If you want to maintain your momentum throughout the summer again, summer is an interesting time because a lot of people are taking time off If you want to accomplish more throughout the summer and you want to get to the end of the summer having accomplished many of your goals and being the most consistent version of yourself, click the link in the show notes. It'll take you to the landing page. We want to have 10 of the most aligned people possible. It's always our goal to really, really make a great group group where people all vibe and everybody is of similar core values, core beliefs and aspirations. So if you're that type of person, get in the group we'd love to have you.

Speaker 2

If you think, kevin and I are really motivated and consistent, we appreciate it, but one of the reasons why that is is because we have all these communities around us that force us to stay accountable. Yes, the 10 pound and 10 week challenge community keeping us accountable in fitness. The NLU team keeping us accountable with tracking habits. Group coaching keeping us accountable with being engaged in WhatsApp. Next level nation keeping us accountable with staying engaged with the community. So when you're a part of a bigger team especially for those of us who struggle with people pleasing and appeasing you're going to be far better off because you'll do more for others than you will for yourself, and that's the heart driven way, and I think that you need to leverage that on yourself. So group coaching was designed for people like you and if that resonates, I'm telling you NLU listener promo code. It comes to $96 a month. This is the most affordable coaching you can ever get and we put a lot of time and effort into making this the best 90 days possible.

Speaker 1

Right on. Yeah, you get how many calls 12.

Speaker 2

12 calls. Total Comes to less than $25 a call.

Speaker 1

It's a lot of value.

Speaker 2

It's a lot of value for very little money.

Speaker 1

If I was, say, I was creeping my way through the woods with a bag of chips unicorn on my right hip, I'd love to have group coaching on my left hip. Nice, thank you so much. As always, we love you, we appreciate you, we're grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 2

Talk to you soon, next time on the Nation.

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