Balancing Fatherhood and Sports Psychology: Tim Dixon's Journey of Gratitude, Baseball, and Family Legacy

How do you balance the roles of a father and a sports psychologist?  Today, we find out thanks to the heartfelt introduction from former QB Dadcast guest Duane Anderson from TaylorMade Golf.

In today's episode, you will hear from Tim Dixon, who is the Director of coaching at Buffini and Company, as he will share his heartfelt journey, filled with proud moments like his daughter's graduation from San Diego State and his son's accomplishments in golf at Napa Valley College.  Listen as Tim opens up about the importance of gratitude and being present in our children's lives, offering a touching narrative on family dynamics and the enduring influence of his father and grandfather's work ethics.

Explore the lessons rooted in family legacies and the value of discipline and work ethic passed down through generations. Tim recounts the cherished memories from baseball with his father, offering insights into how these experiences shaped his approach to parenting and professional life. We also touch on the psychological aspects of balancing sports and life as Tim shares his own stories of resilience and perseverance, emphasizing the necessity of embracing failures and supporting children's unique paths.

From real-life anecdotes of overcoming adversity in professional baseball to empowering dads to lead with compassion and authenticity, this episode is a treasure trove of insights. Hear about the significance of supporting your children's dreams, fostering independence, and the power of parental reactivity.   You will also hear about Tim, the fantastic Cal State Fullerton baseball player who also played professional baseball!
 
This episode promises motivation, reflection, and genuine connections — a must-listen for parents and anyone striving to lead with authenticity and compassion.

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Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:03

Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad show. Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dad cast, and, as I promised, we do finally have a new and exciting sponsor that's going to be joining us over the next 13 weeks or so, and they it is called the authentic edge podcast, which is going to be launching very, very soon. It is a podcast that is led by the fantastic and successful Jason DeLuca and executive sales and people leader at Dexian, as well as with a Paul DeFrancenzo, who is a global sales leader at indeedcom. This podcast, authentic edge, as I mentioned, is, is launching in the next month and it's really about a journey into the heart and genuine relationships into the workplace. So they're going to talk about uncovering the profound impact that authenticity has on establishing instant trust, fostering long-term partnerships, as well as creating serendipitous connections that evolve into endearing business and personal relationships, which is exactly how I would describe my relationship with Jason and Paul. So, without further ado, let's get right to the next episode, and I hope that you check out the authentic edge wherever you consume your podcasts. Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dad cast. We are in season five and I'm excited for this.

Speaker 2: 1:22

This next guest who comes to us from a previous podcast, a host, our previous guest pardon me, uh, the one and only Dwayne Anderson, who, who I think is like the Will Ferrell of Taylor made golf company and one of the most fantastic club fitters in the history of Taylor made might be a little biased, but he's, he is, uh, became a friend of mine and he, and when I met him and talked to me he said I got another guest for you and his name's Tim Dixon and he joins us next.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Tim is the director of coaching at Buffini and Company. We'll learn more about that. He did some work as a certified coach for the Air Force. He's a two-time bestselling author We'll learn all about that and also the Uncle Rico of baseball. He was a 1995 national champion baseball player at the Cal State Fullerton the Mighty Titans. But that's not why we're having him on. We're having him on to talk about Tim the dad and how he's working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his household. So, without further ado, mr Dixon, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast.

Speaker 3: 2:15

What a pleasure to be here, Casey. I'm excited for this conversation.

Speaker 2: 2:19

No, first take on the intro. Not bad, huh.

Speaker 3: 2:23

Not bad. I mean, you've done. This is not your first rodeo, is it? It's interesting to hear things like that, too, you kind of forget because it's just, it's just your life, and you're like Ooh, wow, oh, like it's it's nice to hear some of the things that you accomplished, like a reflection moment. It's like, oh, I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2: 2:45

Who is this fantastic chap? Yeah Well, we always start with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a dad today?

Speaker 3: 2:50

My daughter graduated from San Diego State last Saturday Super, super proud of her and her accomplishment. And my son Brayden, who is a freshman at Napa Valley College. Dwayne Anderson and Greg great work, they've worked with Bren a lot um him and his team uh took fourth in the state, uh for golf and he finished his freshman year already, which is crazy to believe. But I'm proud for them and the work they're doing and the the young men and women that they are contributing to. You know, whatever it is that they choose to, to dream so good I am.

Speaker 2: 3:23

I'm grateful for a couple things. One so we're recording in. On May 23rd it's up, so we'll come out, um, in a I'd say a month or so. And um, yesterday, uh, the mighty Caitlin Clark was in town and my wife and daughter got to go watch her play against Seattle storm. So I was grateful for that experience. Um, and I'm also grateful for yesterday. I spent the last two days on a golf course watching my son compete in the high school state golf tournament His last high school. It was just really, really cool to be there and just be present and watch him and I'm proud of the way he finished. See, definitely left a mark on the program and couldn't be proud. And now it's getting ready for high school graduation which is like how the hell did that happen?

Speaker 3: 4:10

Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, I got to watch Braden and his team play their last home game at Chardonnay golf course in Napa, and just to watch them go through it. You know, and and as a sports psychologist and as a coach by nature, I got to put that hat down and just be dad and support and be like, okay, good job, buddy. But there are times you're like you just want to tell them what to do because you've been there, you've done that. But that's not our role in those moments.

Speaker 2: 4:34

No, yeah, it's hard, it's hard. I think that's like being getting into coaching space, which I didn't mean to do, and then it's. It's. One thing I learned early was make sure I turn that hat off and just be dad or be husband, because like they don't want to be coached and they might when I, when they ask for it, but if we lead with it we're going to piss people off. It's like this is the smartest in the room guy.

Speaker 3: 4:57

And I know that from practice. You know, I've known that by unsolicited advice that was rejected fairly quickly, which is typically the case.

Speaker 2: 5:08

Right, exactly. Well, you mentioned briefly about both kids, but maybe tell us a little bit about who's inside the Dixon huddle and talk about what family life looks like right now for you.

Speaker 3: 5:24

Family life is. We just turned that chapter. You know Kendra, my wife of 26 years. We were high school sweethearts. She actually asked me to Sadie Hawkins. I was a senior in high school, she was a sophomore. So when we tell that story we get quite the reaction. She is the glue Like. She keeps us all together, keeps us sane.

Speaker 3: 5:47

Brayden's in college now Haley, she just graduated San Diego State. She's a dancer, arguably maybe the best athlete in the family. Her and her team at San Diego State competed for a national championship, came in third two years ago, ago, came in fourth this year. Uh, she's had an incredible career there and she's getting prepared to try it for the phoenix suns dance team here in july. So she's she's disciplined and she's got this determination to succeed in life. That is just inspiring. Um. And obviously brayden you know he's a covid kid struggled with mental health during covid as a sophomore in high school and he's starting to come out of his shell and introducing himself to the world. But we're empty nesters. So we moved around eight hours north of Carlsbad to a small little gated community, bought a project house and we're kind of building this together, just her and I, which is it's fun. It's been quite the transition from taking care of kids to kind of letting them fly the coop, so to speak, and you know, we start to live our lives again.

Speaker 2: 6:59

Wow, yeah, well, that journey is going to be there. But, um, before I, before I know it, um, ironically, um, I love when I get to talk to other dads who are high school sweethearts. So my, my wife and I met in seventh grade.

Speaker 1: 7:12

That's crazy.

Speaker 2: 7:13

Yep Started dating an eighth Um and uh, yeah, it's, it's super cool, that's um, it's you know. Sometimes you just know what you know and you know, but uh.

Speaker 3: 7:25

And it's work. You know, 26 years, it hasn't been all great, but it's work.

Speaker 3: 7:29

No to death, do you part? That's something you know there. There's not a manual to it. You just you know you gotta fight. You gotta fight for what you want. Days, you know days I've heard um someone that's been married for like 56 years. They're like what's the key to success? Like none of us we didn't want to get divorced on the same day. You know one. At least one of us have got to fight for that on that given day. So it's been quite the journey and the best is yet to come, I think.

Speaker 2: 7:59

I love it. Yeah, now Brayden now Brayden's a golfer he is, and so we also met we. We had to give love to Greg Manley. Greg Manley yes, Manley's helped your son out. I understand.

Speaker 3: 8:13

He has probably been maybe one of the biggest influences with Brayden's golf game. Dwayne started. We were friends with the Anderson family. What an incredible household that is. Therese and samantha a samara, sorry, um. They're just incredible, incredible people. They've raised their kids to be just great contributors of dominic, their son, who's at arizona state. They're just good people. So we've been friends with them, got connected.

Speaker 3: 8:44

You know he fitted Brayden for his first set of clubs. I think he's been through three sets now and just the generosity that Dwayne provided to Brayden. And then Greg pops in and goes. I don't really do lessons, but bring him to the kingdom. I want to see a swing and he was so pragmatic with brayden, he goes. I don't work with people. I'll work with you under very few, like if you're gonna do the work and if you're gonna actually get after it and get something out of this, I'm willing to work with you. And brayden goes. When do we start? Love it and that was cool to see as a dad. But it's so good for our kids to hear a different voice, especially when it comes to the athletic part. But greg and duane have had a significant impact on braden's success and he's just scratching the surface. You know so, huge shootout to those. Shout out to those two.

Speaker 2: 9:41

They're incredible love it Manley is. He's a former podcast guest here on the Quarterback Dadcast.

Speaker 2: 9:47

He is also had a huge impact on my son Ryder. Ryder's life. I mean, he's funny. Ryder had his national signing day last week at his high school and at the end of his like kind of little introduction that the athletic director made, he gave me a shout out which was heartfelt for his dad, but the other two he gave Manley a huge shout out. He also gave us his current golf swing coach, brian Thornton, a shout out which is just super neat, super neat to see. Like you know, like to your point, they got to be outside the home because they get.

Speaker 3: 10:21

They're so good at their craft, yeah. I mean they know the swing and they know the golf game. And I mean the kingdom, I mean, come on Golf. It's like what an incredible. Like I tell Braden this, that's like you have no idea how incredibly gifted and blessed you are to be able to have a swing lesson at the kingdom as an 18 year old. It's just, it's incredible.

Speaker 2: 10:45

Uh, I, I echo that, my man. Um well, I always like to go back in time with with dads I talked to and understand what was life like for you growing up and talk about the impact your parents had on you.

Speaker 3: 10:57

I mean, my dad owned a construction business for close to 50 years. He taught me to leave things better than you found them, and that shows up in everything that I do, almost to an obsession. And my mom has got the biggest heart you could ever imagine. She wants everyone to be happy and she wants everyone to be seen and heard, which directly impacts the what I do now as a living Incredible household. They supported my baseball dreams. Didn't have to have a job as long as I was committed to seeing how far I could get in the game of baseball man. They're incredible.

Speaker 2: 11:40

And what did mom do?

Speaker 3: 11:42

She was a nurse practitioner for several years and then she went into dermatology and then she retired probably 25, 30 years ago. So she was in the medical field for most of her career.

Speaker 2: 11:59

Okay, and dad, is he hence retired too?

Speaker 3: 12:03

Yes, so they were products of the Bay Area. Bought their 1400 square foot house for $24,000 in 1972, sold it for 1.1 around five years ago, moved up north, bought their dream home on 15 acres and living happily ever after. So it was the American dream, so to speak. So he finally got to retire. Now he just gets to work on his 15 acres and hunt and fish and live the good life.

Speaker 2: 12:33

Wow, did you have any brothers or sisters? I have a sister, older sister.

Speaker 3: 12:39

She has been working for Kaiser for gosh 22, 23 years. So she's been in the ER, she's been in private offices, she's kind of done the whole gamut when it comes to Kaiser in the medical field.

Speaker 2: 12:53

kind of following a mom's footsteps. There we go. Yeah, um, as you think back to like growing up, obviously sports were a huge impact, huge part of your life. But as you think about like um the top, I'd say two or three values that were just like so present, that you learned as a child but now you use that you've used with your kids as a dad. Tell me what comes to mind.

Speaker 3: 13:15

Number one is discipline. My dad taught me discipline. He was the kind of dad that didn't beat around the bush and just told it how it was. Sometimes mom would be like, oh, it's okay. And dad would follow up as no, it's not. Not if you want to be the best at this. So discipline would be the number one thing work ethic.

Speaker 3: 13:36

It kind of aligns with discipline and just be good to people, like just be a good person. They taught that you know, but like more is caught than taught, I like to say you know, they, they put it in that. They put it in that play, they put it into action. My dad coached little league. My mom volunteered at the snack shack. They, they were constantly in service of others and you see that and you want to implement that because you see the impact it has on people.

Speaker 2: 14:05

Love it. Um, how, how much of discipline, work ethic did you learn, not through his words, but by his actions, of being the work as a construction.

Speaker 3: 14:12

I would say 99% of it was through his actions. Um, I used to be the guy that he would say demo that wall. Uh, I used to be the guy that would be. You know, he would give me some tasks to do and it was whether, every single day, no matter what you did, you swept up and you cleaned up, and it didn't even you didn't even know that they, we were there. So if the owner comes in, they're like wow, this is, this is next level customer service. But yeah, I basically watched him live when it comes to discipline and work ethic and leaving things better than you found them.

Speaker 2: 14:53

Tell me, where do you think he learned that skill?

Speaker 3: 14:56

My guess is his father. They grew up on a farm where they pretty much did everything. They took care of the animals, they took care of anything that was wrong on the farm. It was he's one of six, so they basically they were the employees of that farm. I never got to meet his father, but that's my guess is where it came from him.

Speaker 2: 15:21

Yeah, I was like sometimes like slowing down to ask people these, these questions. You know we don't think about these things for often, you know. So, like, yeah, I didn't get to meet my dad's daddy. My dad's dad died when he was like six, so I never met would have been grandpa Cecil Never met him, yeah, and my dad passed away December 29th 2021. Um, we actually dedicated season three to him, which was really fun tribute Cause it was like during COVID, we couldn't really have there wasn't like a lot of funerals going on then.

Speaker 3: 15:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:49

So we just, I decided well, um uh, we just decided, every week we're going to show some love to him, which was super fun to do, and what a way to celebrate him, huh. Yeah, even like watching like my son golf, like I'll walk, and I'm like, hey dad, if you're, if you're, if you're watching, like we can really use this eight foot putt here.

Speaker 3: 16:08

Let's get a green hit and regulation right here. Come on, we got this.

Speaker 2: 16:11

We really, we really help out, just like a little gust of wind up there from heaven.

Speaker 2: 16:16

But, uh, I think about like impacts. Like my my dad was smart ass, um, funnier than hell, um, you know, but my my mom was funny, social, but like you know, I I think you get the mix of them. Um, as you think about like what your dad and mom taught you and then obviously what you and Kendra have done raising your kids, do you see like parallels with how she was raised and that and how it kind of came to a?

Speaker 3: 16:39

switch with raising kids? It's a great question, casey. My dad was a man of very few words. He would just sit in the corner and he was an observer, and they would find moments to throw fuel on the fire, especially when it came to like my sister or my mom, because they're you know, when you're so much alike.

Speaker 1: 16:56

They tend to butt heads.

Speaker 3: 16:58

My mom was the life of the party. Everywhere she went she was loud, she was fun and she was kind of loose, you know, with living life. But my dad was old school, old fashioned. You work for what you earn it. You don't deserve it. So the combination of both I believe I have a little bit of each of them.

Speaker 3: 17:22

And Kendra, you know she grew up with her mom was an incredible powerhouse woman that had a, I believe, a junior college education and ended up being a senior vice president of a tech company and did really well for her and kind of. You know they were divorced at a young age and you know she learned from her mom about work ethic and about, you know, not relying on other, about work ethic and about, you know, not relying on other people to get what you want. You, you do, whether you're a man or a woman. You, you go for it, you, if you want it.

Speaker 3: 17:52

And dad, on the other hand, and what's really cool about her family, they were divorced and remarried and it's such a cohesive unit where Kendra's dad was upset that he wasn't invited to his ex-wife's wedding, you know, because Kendra's mom's best friend is her ex-husband's sister. So it's just incredible dynamic and no wonder why the kids are healthy and they understand relationship, because even though they separated and they kind of grew apart, they really showed up for. The kids are healthy and they understand relationship because even though they separated and they kind of grew apart, they really showed up for the kids in a really really cool adult way. So it does work and it is possible. Unfortunately, that's not the norm.

Speaker 2: 18:37

Yeah, that's so important. I've actually interviewed a few dads, some who have gone through divorce and are friends of their ex, and it takes a lot of putting that ego aside Big time. Yes, put that ego aside. And one of my favorite pieces of advice someone gave me out of my first job, out of school, was you can be right or do you want to get what you want? What's more important, and you don't get both really. And I used I've not only have used that, I use that advice in all the relationships I have in life, personal and professional because sometimes we, our ego gets in the way and we want to be able to convince and we try to convince people always resist.

Speaker 3: 19:16

Absolutely. It's how we're designed. We build up that armor, immediately comes up when they feel they're being attacked verbally. You know absolutely.

Speaker 2: 19:24

Yep, let's talk about baseball. You obviously had a hell of a career and not many people can say they were a college world series. But like share a few memories, like what was like playing for your maybe your dad or baseball growing up, that stand out.

Speaker 3: 19:40

I was. I didn't start playing organized baseball until I was 13 years old. So my whole, entire youth was my dad grabbing a bucket of balls, taking it to the elementary school right around the corner from our house, and throwing, throwing me baseballs, you know. And as I got better, I remember he used to put a sponge in his glove, you know, because I was throwing hard and it got to the point where he could no longer support my growth and he immediately stepped away and just became a fiend, which is super cool.

Speaker 3: 20:13

But once I got into organized baseball I was obsessed, and I use that word very intentionally. It became the thing and the only thing that I wanted to accomplish, which is weird. As a 13, 14 year old I didn't do a lot of things because that was the main thing. But I was fortunate. I spent 27 consecutive years in a baseball dugout as a player and a coach, had some really, really cool things. I won a couple minor league championships and then I got to coach one of the Air Force Academy, which still, to this day, is probably one of the top three experiences of my life.

Speaker 3: 20:57

But baseball has a huge part of my story and I don't really talk about it a lot, which is interesting because it's a part of who I am. It's not who I am, so it's fun to talk about it when I get asked the questions and man, I couldn't have scripted it any better. You know, went to four schools in four years in college, was told I wasn't good enough a lot of times, and I didn't let that deter me from what I wanted to accomplish. And you know, and there's a difference between inspiration and motivation and the discipline to create it and I just wasn't going to stop you know, and eventually it happened late in life, but it happened.

Speaker 2: 21:43

So tell me why you went to so many schools.

Speaker 3: 21:46

So my freshman year I was told I wasn't good enough to play at the division one level. So, and it was the summer before my sophomore year so I immediately had to go to a junior college. You got my AA degree in one year. I took 24 units of first semester, 26, the second semester and then 18 during the summer to get my associate's degree. You can't do that today. Um transferred to another four-year school and I immediately knew when I was there I wasn't going to get the exposure that I needed to have a chance to be a professional. I was at a summer ball league. They said, hey, we need a pitcher, can you pitch? I was like, yeah, it so happened that the coach for Cal State Fullerton was there to watch someone else that was on the team and at that time I was with a school and they can't talk to you Like there's a bunch of rules and regulations in place you know, and I knew, I just there was this guttural thing I

Speaker 3: 22:42

was like I got to see if this is going to work. And my dad I remember specifically, it happened yesterday my dad goes, you realize, if this doesn't work, your dream's over. I was like yes, you know. And then, and then, you know, I got to Fullerton. That, you know, during the fall, I believe at the first fall game, there was like 28 scouts in the stands. I was like I'm in the right place now, what am I going to do with it? Um, by the end of the fall, I was ranked the third pitcher on the team and you you know it was their Saturday starter went 13-0. We won a national championship, got drafted by the Expos and, you know, played until I was 30. It was incredible.

Speaker 3: 23:22

Wow, the timing is everything, it was just you can't script it any better.

Speaker 2: 23:26

Now, did you play in the major leagues?

Speaker 3: 23:28

I played AAA yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:30

Yeah, I played until I was 30.

Speaker 3: 23:35

Never got to the big leagues. And I believe it was the timing thing I was in AAA, the pitching coordinator was in town. It was against the Yankees. I pitched four innings. I had no runs, no hits, no walks, nine punch outs. I was sitting at 90, which is that was fast back then, not now.

Speaker 1: 23:51

I was like this is it.

Speaker 3: 23:53

They would have had to remove someone from the four-man purchase my contract, and as soon as that didn't happen, I knew that was my shot and I played for a little while after that, but I knew that that was my moment. I was old. I didn't start playing pro ball until I was 24, where I'm playing with a bunch of 16, 17, 18-year-olds and most of the time, if you just compare stats, they're going to take the younger kid almost every single time. But I wouldn't change. I wouldn't change a thing. I have zero regrets.

Speaker 2: 24:24

Do you still have the old school expo hat?

Speaker 3: 24:28

I somewheres. Yeah, my dad's got a box of everywhere I went every minor league team. I have a shirt and I have a hat and we still have those. But yes, somewhere?

Speaker 2: 24:41

I do. If you had to think about this question, what were the biggest lessons you've taken from the game of baseball that you've applied to your business life and your dad life?

Speaker 3: 24:50

Hard work and discipline.

Speaker 2: 24:52

Similar. There we go, it equates everywhere.

Speaker 3: 24:55

You know, I do what I love now with the company that I work with now and nothing has changed. The uniform and the arena is the only difference when before, as I transitioned out of baseball into quote unquote the real world, I thought that I couldn't be that person. But we are all wired to be great at something and sometimes you just need that permission. So nothing, it's discipline and it's hard work. If you have the discipline to do that work that it takes to be successful and you're not willing to quit, I tell brain this if you're not willing to quit, eventually you're going to get what you want. Yeah, the universe is going to just be like all right, I get it here. But most people get to the point where it's too hard, it's too painful and they don't want enough. And they and that's where most people stop Love it.

Speaker 2: 25:58

Can you think about, obviously, your story with going to different schools, not quitting it's obvious you've learned about grit, resilience. Do you think back to moments of struggle or failure that you have shared with your kids that have positively impacted them through your stories?

Speaker 3: 26:08

Yes, lots, lots of failures, lots of struggle. For me, that's where the goal lies, and when you're in it, that's not what you think. You want to get out of it as fast as possible. But I look back on my journey. You know, being told I wasn't good enough, like that hurts. That hurts the ego. It's what you do with that information and that fueled my fire to prove not only myself right, but to prove them wrong. Sometimes the external motivation is what gets you through a day. Uh, the internal fire is what she gets you through to the end.

Speaker 3: 26:43

Um, but yeah, struggles in everything struggles in relationships, struggles in baseball, struggles in, you know, discipline there's not every day, is not like yes, let's do it you know, it's there's not every day. It's not like yes, let's do it. You know it's, it's for me. What you're willing to do up to the point where you want to quit is what everyone else is willing to do.

Speaker 3: 27:03

It's what you do after that really allows you to see who you are and what you're capable of. So yeah we talk about struggles a lot and when our kids go through the struggle, we talk about the importance of the learning moments within the struggle.

Speaker 2: 27:16

Yeah, yeah, it's hard. I think there's a culture we're living in now where I think parents don't want to let their kids do that Failures like and we forget that. You know one of my favorite quotes Tony Bennett, the coach for used to be Washington state, now Virginia. He said I'm paraphrasing when when they were the one seed, they lost the 16 after. After that game, he said I'm paraphrasing when they were the one seed, they lost the 16. After that game he said that adversity is life's golden ticket. So next year they'd win the national championship, being the number one seed again.

Speaker 2: 27:42

I mean, I think back to my high school senior year. I broke my foot in four spots. I beat a kid out my junior year. He would then have to play quarterback my senior year because I got hurt and I didn't get a play and I had to watch him take our team the first time playoffs. First time in 20 years. He was named second team all league and he broke our single season passing guard director and I had to watch, didn't play my senior year and I was lucky.

Speaker 2: 28:10

Oh, it's brutal, dude. I learned about pretty much borderline depressed. That was like what is going on? The I mean the world didn't know me anything. So, man, I learned so much about that and I love sharing that story with my kids as, even if they've gotten older, they're like god, that must have been hard, dad. I said it was brutal, but I learned to be a good teammate, I learned to be. That wasn't all about me, um, and so like that. That's why I ask you stories, was there anything impactful like that that really comes to mind, that our audience might be like oh wow, you went through that and you shared through kids and they responded this way I mean being told you're not good enough hurts to begin with, and you know I mean especially throughout a season as a starting pitcher.

Speaker 3: 28:50

You're have opportunity after opportunity and there's plenty of moments throughout any season where you question is this really worth the time and the commitment and the pain? When it doesn't feel good, and more times than not, the answer is yes. And if it's still a no, then you just wait it on, just ride it out for another day.

Speaker 2: 29:17

When Brayden struggles with golf, because golf is a very humbling sport. Golf's hard.

Speaker 3: 29:22

And he talks about the frustration. And he talks about, like gosh, I just don't know. I was like I'm so excited for you. Right now he goes what are you talking about? Like this is a pivotal moment. You know most people at the point where it gets really hard. That's when they decide I just don't want to do it. Something's continuing to bring him back to it.

Speaker 3: 29:43

But I think we have to go through that pain Now. I think, as a parent, I want to maybe alleviate a little bit of it. But I want them to struggle, struggle. I want them to struggle in a safe environment. Um, but the struggle has to happen in order them to figure out this thing called life. It's. It's if they were given everything and everything was a win. How do you really know what a win is? You know, how do you know what you're capable of? We as a species are so resilient, we we typically show up on our backs against the wall and there's some kind of tragedy or you know a quick reaction where you gotta show up and you can't think about it and you're like, oh dang I am capable of that.

Speaker 3: 30:27

It has to happen. Um yeah, I've been fired before, I've been released, released before, and for me it's like, okay, what's next? You know?

Speaker 2: 30:38

how to talk to me, um about how you got in the doing some work from the airport air force.

Speaker 3: 30:44

I mean, it was a baseball job. You know, I was gosh. Where was I?

Speaker 1: 30:48

I was at the Southern Illinois university.

Speaker 3: 30:51

uh, loved, loved the man that I worked for Huge influence in my life.

Speaker 2: 30:56

What was his name?

Speaker 3: 30:58

Dan Callahan.

Speaker 2: 30:59

Give Danny some Coach.

Speaker 3: 31:00

Callahan oh man, he passed away the year after I left. He had cancer pretty much the whole time that I was with him Fired. But this guy had left such an incredible impact on so many people and I wanted to be like him how he was as a human and I got this opportunity where I just saw the job description.

Speaker 3: 31:23

I'm a huge fan of the military. I was actually, at the same time, going for a job at I think it was San Jose state, which was. I was born and raised in San Jose, like my story is like this is a perfect place for me to be.

Speaker 3: 31:38

I didn't get that job and I was really upset. And this came along and they flew me out to Colorado Springs. I drove on the Air Force Academy and I was like, where do I sign? Because it was so much bigger than baseball. You know, it was probably the first time in my career where I really felt that I was part of something way bigger than myself, you know these kids raise their right hand and they're willing to die for the freedom of our country.

Speaker 3: 32:08

Like that's a big deal Um. Incredible, incredible impact on my life that these kids had on me.

Speaker 2: 32:14

Wow, um is there like a moment or life that these kids had on me? Wow, um, is there like a moment or a story that comes to mind that makes you think of that?

Speaker 3: 32:22

There's so many. I remember, um, I coached. I, I coached baseball, but I also taught boxing, rock climbing, water, survival. So I was in softball, we were at a softball class, I was talking to this, you know 18 year old kid, and we're just having a normal conversation and all of a sudden just out of his mouth like it's nothing. He goes.

Speaker 1: 32:39

Yeah, I've jumped out of a plane 138 times.

Speaker 3: 32:43

Excuse me, did I hear that right, you know? And then the next conversation yeah, I'm an aeronautical engineer and I'm going to be an astronaut. I was like these kids are just their dreams and their desire to be something way bigger was so impactful and the best part, casey, is my kids got to be a part of that.

Speaker 3: 33:02

You know I would bring Braden to a baseball game and I would have to do my job. Bullpens throw BP, hit fungo and I would look out. At any point there's four guys around Braden making sure that he's taken care of. Like. What a gift for him to be around those young men as well and it's such a great place as far as character and service to others. That was just a great moment of our lives, four years we were there.

Speaker 2: 33:34

Wow, I want to go back to something you said a second ago about failure and struggle. Tell me what's been the hardest if you've whatever you feel like sharing it the hardest moment of seeing your either child fail? That really impacted you, but as you look back now you're like man. I'm glad we went through that.

Speaker 3: 33:55

I would probably say it was Haley. So Haley was a 2020 graduate. We all know what happened in 2020. So she didn't get a graduation. She was going to go to University of Utah try out for the dance team and it all became online. So she tried out online for the dance team and she didn't make it and she was like devastated. And then she goes why am I, why am I going all the way out there If I don't get what I wanted originally? So she made the decision to go to Santa Barbara community college and she was out of dance for two years, out of competitive dance for two years, and she said I'm not ready to be done Like, I'm just not. So in around a six month period she got herself ready, competitively ready to try out for San Diego State, who the year before won a national championship. So it's not like it's just a regular dancing, this is an elite dancing. She got herself ready. There was 50 girls, I believe, that tried out. They took five of them and she was chosen.

Speaker 3: 35:04

Wow it was funny talking to her because she goes. She was the last one chosen, so she goes. Dad is about ready to have a heart attack. I thought I was going to die and then they finally said her name you know the very last one. And then she had this incredible experience of being on this elite, incredible dance team at San Diego state and all that was necessary. You're looking back at what could have been and then what was. It's because she ended up exactly where she needed to be. But, man, there was.

Speaker 3: 35:34

There were some tough conversations, especially when she didn't make the dance team at university of Utah. Like you get crushed as a parent.

Speaker 2: 35:42

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:43

And she just had that resilience and that determination, like I'm not done yet I was like, oh, you talk about frat moments, so like that's my girl.

Speaker 2: 35:51

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:52

That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 35:55

It's the best. Well, I think sometimes people, people don't hear those stories. They see, oh must be nice, you got sandy dancing. They don't see the struggle. Or yeah, you know they cal state floating baseball, they don't. They don't hear that, hey, tim, you suck, you ain't, you ain't got here, dude, you're not good enough.

Speaker 2: 36:06

Yeah, or braden and golf. Or you know, I mean I those as you're saying these stories I can even relate it to. Like you know, we are, we share a um, we share that our, our, both our boys play golf. Um, ryder's going to play golf at a school called Southern Oregon and university in the fall, but like it was not easy, like he was a late kid to golf. And men is golf will humble you, as we all know. Like there's days where you're really, really good and then there's days next it's like what did I forget how to play the game? And you, whether you get blow up rounds, it just come out of nowhere and you're like what just happened? But I'm like, well, and I used to always say that, I still say to him I said there's two things I'll guarantee after a bad round. I love you, you know nothing's good, I am.

Speaker 3: 36:53

Cause that happens. My goodness, Bring one a tournament like four colleges. He was. Took first place the very next round, shot in 87. So to your point you know, it's like Whoa you know it's hard as a dad to when you're in, when you've been a coach and you've been an athlete, to immediately go into. All right, what's the work that you need to do? And you just have to give them space.

Speaker 2: 37:18

But that's hard. I love it, dude, it's brutal. Well, same thing I. I his sophomore year. He shot. He went 73, 77 to win a district tournament in high school. Yeah, he went first round of state, shoots 90. Gets cut. What are you going to do? You know? Yeah, exactly A little humbly hard.

Speaker 2: 37:42

Well, and that's why I like, as I for me, I stumbled into coaching myself. Didn't mean to do it, but it's definitely there's such thing as a calling, it's I am absolutely love it. Um, and I always like working with leaders on. The more stories of failure you share, the more humility you drive into your culture or your family and the and if you lead with where you sucked, you create space for other people to talk about how maybe they're not their best, and that's why I love like for me, I love sharing when I struggled with my kids like, hey, that sucked today, but I'm going to get up and compete tomorrow and how counter is that to our society today?

Speaker 3: 38:21

Like it's so simple when you think about it but it's so opposite of what these kids see on a regular basis, where all they see is everyone's best life. You know the snapshot on Instagram or Tik TOK of you know everything's great and it's just not true, you know and vilifying the bad and the failures where anyone who's ever been great at anything talks about how the failures what's make it, what it's what makes you.

Speaker 3: 38:50

But they're led, they're told a narrative that is just a small fraction of the whole story. They need to hear the other story, because when these kids go off to college, you know depression is at an all-time high, anxiety is at an all-time high, suicidal rates from teenagers are at an all-time high. It's because they're not given the whole story and then they think they're broken, which is not true.

Speaker 1: 39:17

No.

Speaker 3: 39:18

I remember having this conversation with Braden cause he struggles Um and my wife Kendra and I were like, hey, it's, it's okay to not be okay.

Speaker 2: 39:27

Yeah, he was like.

Speaker 3: 39:28

Whoa taken back on that. It's like it's, it's, it's okay. You know. What are we going to do about it?

Speaker 2: 39:42

Well, it's, it's okay. You know, what are we going to do about it? Well, let's not sit in it.

Speaker 3: 39:44

Like what can we do to get out of this? But it's okay, right? How did he, um, did you find that by doing that he opened up more? Yeah, we, we've given him and we've created very intentionally an environment where sometimes, like Brian, you don't need to tell me everything you know and our daughter's a little bit more reserved, but full transparency, full vulnerability of anything goes here and sometimes it creates incredible conversations. I, as a coach and someone who's very energetic and aggressive at life, I've gotten to the point where I had to coach myself, where we started asking the question when Brayden was young. More so with Brayden is do you want my advice or do you just want me to listen and not assume that?

Speaker 3: 40:32

he wants my advice, although my advice is really really good. They shut down. They don't want to hear it unless they give you permission for it. That has helped a lot. But yeah, they're very open and transparent of exactly what's going on in their lives.

Speaker 1: 40:50

Hello everybody. My name is Craig Coe and I'm the Senior Vice President of Relationship Management for Beeline. For more than 20 years, we've been helping Fortune 1000 companies drive a competitive advantage with their external workforce. In fact, Beeline's history of first-to-market innovations has become today's industry standards. I get asked all the time what did Casey do for your organization? And I say this it's simple. The guy flat out gets it. Relationships matter. His down-to-earth presentation, his real-world experience apply to every area of our business. In fact, his book Win the Relationship and Not the Deal has become required reading for all new members of the Global Relationship Management team. If you'd like to know more about me or about Beeline, please reach out to me on LinkedIn. And if you don't know Casey Jaycox, go to CaseyJaycoxcom and learn more about how he can help your organization. Now let's get back to today's episode.

Speaker 2: 41:50

For at times when you've asked that question and maybe Braden or Haley says I want you to listen, dad, but you want to be able to tell them so much because you have this answer, because you've got life experience, and they don't want to hear you. How? What advice would you give other dads who are maybe are trying to get better at that skill of just listening and being present in the moment and not trying to be the smartest in the room?

Speaker 3: 42:11

Yeah, I think that takes a little bit of time and I think there are times where we just have to be like okay, you kind of gain that trust you know, and then somehow, if it's really important information, ask permission.

Speaker 3: 42:24

Hey, I listen to what you say, like, is there, I really want to talk about just one thing Can we talk about? And if they say no, then you have to respect that, and then the next time. And if they say no, then you have to respect that, and then the next time, you know, again ask the same questions.

Speaker 3: 42:49

And over time I think they'll be more open to the advice and or their perspective, because we lift it, and I just want you to know that I understand where you're coming from. Let's not assume because they're going to put up their armor right away if we're just like well here's what you got to do so.

Speaker 3: 43:03

It's a tough one, but there's times where you just got to bite your tongue and maybe write it in a journal, save it for a later time, write it in a letter or a note, and again, it's more so a gift as opposed to me telling you.

Speaker 2: 43:22

That's good. It's a hard one, though it is, but I think you articulated without saying it. It's like check your ego and it's not about us. I mean, we think it is, but it's not, and they're going to be their own lives. They're their own humans.

Speaker 3: 43:37

Yeah, and I think we as parents have the right intention, but we tend to get in their way. They have to go through the struggles and they have to. They have to create their own path. We don't necessarily have to agree to it. Now, obviously, there's guidelines and there's boundaries that you need to put up, but, um, it's not about you making sure that they live the life you want them to live. It's about you meeting them where they're at and doing your best to support their dream.

Speaker 2: 44:11

So good. I mean, I think, like for you, without knowing you really at all, other than what couple conversations, it could have been so easy for you as a college world series baseball champ. College coaches say, brayden, you're playing baseball, damn it, you're gonna love it, you're gonna like it and or you're grounded yeah.

Speaker 3: 44:32

Brayden is so funny. It's it. I tell the story all the time. Braden retired from baseball when he was nine and he goes Dad, it's just boring. And then he goes. Are you mad? I was like, no, that was my dream. I want you to have your own dream and I want your dream to be better than mine own dream and I want your dream to be better than mine. Um, but they have that and there there are some dads out there that you know you're going to be the mini me whether y'all like it or not, and that's going to cost them a lot in therapy down the road.

Speaker 2: 45:09

A hundred percent. Well, I, I, you know Uncle Rico moment. I played quarterback in college.

Speaker 1: 45:15

And uh, for those who don't know, Uncle Rico, it's the character from Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 2: 45:16

I always like to make fun of myself and I mentioned I played football in college, but I never once pressured my son. I mean, we played flag football and he loved it, but he sometimes was like God, I wish I would have played tackle. I'm like I don't because A your body will thank you later, but that was what I did. You don't have to do it and I think it's so spot on where I think that's our, our, our job as parents. Find something your kids are really, really good at and then just you obviously create opportunities for them, ignite the flame, get out of their way and let them experience it. And when you do it like my son's golf, my daughter's basketball I sucked at both of those as in high school so it's fun to see them selling these things.

Speaker 3: 45:59

Yeah, brady played hockey when we lived in Colorado and I loved it because I knew nothing about hockey.

Speaker 3: 46:02

So, I could just watch, right, and I don't really know a whole lot about the mechanics of golf, but I know enough to be dangerous. And when we have conversations, um, we'll, we'll, I'll relate it to pitching. Hey, I don't know your swing and I don't know the details of what that is, but as a pitcher, what I do notice, you know, sometimes, if my so, I'll use my pitching analysis and then he gets to see where it fits in and it really allows, cause he has said this before how do you know you didn't play golf.

Speaker 3: 46:31

I was like okay that's a different conversation, but it's. Here's my story. How does it fit into your story? And you don't have to follow in my footsteps.

Speaker 2: 46:45

Right.

Speaker 3: 46:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:47

In fact, that's dangerous.

Speaker 3: 46:48

I think there's too many things that could go wrong as far as the father-son relationship as opposed to the, it could get a little bit aggressive. I mean, you've seen those stories on Netflix and HBO specials where it's so this is the path you're going to take and it rarely works out where not only is it a great career but it's also a continued great relationship with father and son.

Speaker 2: 47:18

No spot on, brother. Okay, you talked about discipline, work ethic, being nice, a good person. Those will never go out of style. No, those are lessons you learned, were those core elements that you and your wife taught your kids growing up.

Speaker 3: 47:35

And we kind of we took different responsibilities in raising our kids. I believe more is caught than taught. My wife and I we both kind of quit our quote unquote, secure jobs and started our own businesses at the same time.

Speaker 2: 47:53

So they saw us both.

Speaker 3: 47:55

They saw it was like, yeah, let's make this decision Like we'll figure it out, and we did. They saw it was like, yeah, let's make this decision Like we'll figure it out, and we did, but they. Kendra is more of a disciplinarian. She's very structured and she wants things done a certain way. I'm a little bit more free when it comes to that. But you better work hard and you better treat people well, and again, that's how we show up.

Speaker 3: 48:19

And it's not always like that, but that's the intention. So they had a little bit of both. I would give them a little bit more freedom to be curious and to explore, as long as they're working hard and they're committing and they're just being good people. Kendra was more of the structured and rules and stuff like that and it worked out well. The kids definitely knew where to go, though, which also could potentially create some conflict when they were younger.

Speaker 2: 48:48

What if you were thinking, if you're to think through everything we've talked about, which has been a lot, it's been great learning more about you and you know, I think there's been some actionable tasks that dads can take from our conversation to become that that ultimate quarterback leader other home, maybe the better pitcher, other other home. Um, if you were to describe you know two or three core actions that dads can take from our conversation today that they can leave from this episode be that ultimate leader of their home. Tim, tell me what comes to mind.

Speaker 3: 49:17

Like. The word that comes to my mind right out of the gate is empower, love that To empower our kids to think bigger, to be bigger, to fail. I think sometimes we shelter our kids with good intention and they I think everyone wants to know that they're seeing, they're heard and their voice matters. Our kids are the same way. How do we empower them to know that they matter, not externally, but internally?

Speaker 1: 49:52

We can't control that external part.

Speaker 3: 49:59

So I would curious ask more questions than telling Ooh, tell me more about that. Oh, what about that excites you? Um, I don't quite understand that. Can you explain that to me? And now, all of a sudden, the best way we could serve anyone is to put them into their own lives. You know, having a kid, I've had Brayden give me a golf lesson and the kid lights up, you know. So it's empowering them that they're resilient, they're intelligent, they have great instincts. Let's not shelter that because we want to protect them. Let's empower them to be the best version of themselves.

Speaker 2: 50:31

That's cool, dude. I love that. I love that you said well, one, two things. I love that one. You use two words. I teach, which I teach something called Ted based questions, which is tell me, explain, describe. Use two of them. So I love you already did, thank you and uh so. And also I love that you said think big. Too many people don't think big enough. We don't. We just like someone else, like Tommy Lasorda, one of my favorite quotes. He said there's three types of people in life People who watch things happen. People wonder how things happen. People make things happen.

Speaker 3: 51:02

And that's how we're naturally designed. By the way we're designed, our brain's designed to keep us safe. So anytime we think beyond what we know to be true, we immediately get into the fight or flight. So just the awareness of that allows you to be a better version of yourself, but you have to get to that point Like I don't know what I'm capable of, but I'm going to continue to see what I'm capable of Like.

Speaker 3: 51:26

that's why, as parents, we tend to protect them of where we think their boundaries are Like. Let's let them go one or two steps beyond, because the anticipation of it is typically worse than the act itself. On, because the anticipation of it is typically worse than the act itself. But to really let them understand these boundaries that are just a default and how we're designed and you just slowly push and slowly push and slowly push to really see what's possible.

Speaker 2: 51:53

So good, love that man. Last couple of questions and then I want to get into what you're doing now so people can learn more about what you're doing in your corporate jobs. It sounds fantastic. What has been the biggest mistake you've made as a dad? That you could go back and say, man, I did not. That the dads at home might be like, hey, I'm not alone, I've made, I'm. I'm very reactive.

Speaker 3: 52:17

Um, there are many moments when our kids were young where I reacted, and typically when we react, there's immediate regret, um, you know, whether it's snapping at them, uh, not understanding them, because you're you're tired, or there's some reason. Um, if I could go back, I would really be able to put a space between the moment and the reaction to the moment. Um, but I'm I'm not good at that and I have to check myself a lot because I I'm an emotional person and I I really struggle with mediocrity. So when I don't see anything, when I, when I see things that are less than excellence, I can get a little bit aggressive. Um, and there's been times where you know they don't understand I'm dad and all of a sudden they're crushed, and then you're immediately crushed and you can't take it back, you know. So that would be, that would be the yeah, the reactivity of parenting.

Speaker 2: 53:18

It's hard that would be the yeah, the reactivity of parenting. It's hard, that's powerful, dude. I that'd give me goosebumps. You said that that's like. That speaks on so many levels. You know my gap as a dad is patience. Um, but I swear doing this podcast now for going on five years. I think my patience has improved. It's great, um, because I get free therapy every week from a dad and I love it, yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:41

You know and serving and serving.

Speaker 3: 53:41

I mean that's. I mean why else do it? You know what I learned this later in life, especially learning I have a master's degree in sports psychology and especially with child development. You know the reactivity is one thing, but then to have the the courage to get at eye level and say I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 53:58

Bingo.

Speaker 3: 54:00

Is is so powerful. I made a mistake, Um, I overreacted I, and I'm sorry. Um and they might not immediately jump into it and be like, okay, everything is great. More is caught than taught. Um if I could go back and do that, I would have said sorry a lot of times. Yeah, that's now I feel bad.

Speaker 2: 54:25

I love that Well, I don't know. Well, two things. One, episode nine. You're going to be like episode 260 or something. Episode nine was with my good buddy, Darren Balmores, and we actually talked about saying sorry and the power of saying sorry to your kids, your wife and the impact it has on relationships. You've said this now a couple of times.

Speaker 3: 54:41

You said more is caught than taught which is like it's got a baseball metaphor to it. I mean it could, but I mean how many times the lessons that we learn in life are something that we experience, not something we read?

Speaker 3: 54:53

Now reading is important, Education is important, but a lot of the things that I've experienced I've actually picked it up from other people Um, and that's just. You know, when more is caught than taught, it's not about what you say, it's about what you do, uh, and how you react to things. Uh, like the reactivity of snapping. You know what's the? What do you do after that? That's where more is caught than taught. Um, that's a big one. We. What do you do after that? That's where Morris Copton taught. That's a big one.

Speaker 1: 55:23

We talk a lot about that, Even as adults. Morris Copton taught.

Speaker 3: 55:25

That's why you got to surround yourself with the people that are going to challenge you.

Speaker 2: 55:33

If you're the smartest man or woman in the room, then you're in the wrong room. So good, I man. I'm so glad Dwayne teed us up, brother, because I play golf on Saturday Well, not every weekend, but when I play golf I'm between a two and a three handicap. I'm the worst guy in the group.

Speaker 3: 55:46

I'm the worst guy in the group though.

Speaker 2: 55:48

Good for you. Wow, I got some good friends I play with, but I love being the worst because I get to see what they look like. Tell me about what you're doing now.

Speaker 3: 56:05

How can people learn more about the coaching your work and the company you work for? I have the coolest job on the planet. Um, I love what I have. I 27 years in a dugout winning some national championship, winning championships, getting to play baseball till I was 30. I believe all of that was so that I could be in the position I'm in now hindsight's 2020.

Speaker 3: 56:17

Um, I work for a company called Buffini and company. It's one of the largest coaching companies in North America. We serve around 4,000 clients. A lot of them are in the real estate industry, but it's small businesses. We teach. We teach a relation like work and buyer, a relay, not transactional but relational. Uh, I am the director of coaching there and I we have 66 incredible coaches that serve our clients and I work directly with them on a daily basis. It's a dream job, wow. Different arena, different uniform, same tactics. Uh, it's special. It's really cool to be a part of.

Speaker 2: 56:56

How can people learn more about that work? Where can they find you?

Speaker 3: 57:06

Uh, I mean, my Instagram is the mental locker. Um, that was my business. I ran my own sports psychology business for three years, realized that I didn't like running a business but I loved coaching, um, and that's what buffini and company has given me exactly what I love to do without having to get the clients keep the clients social media accounting. I wasn't good at that stuff, but the Mental Locker is my website I have. It's called TheMentalLockercom and then obviously it's BuffiniandCompanycom is the name of the company that I work for. We do events, we do one-on-one coaching, we do teams coaching. We even have a smaller memberships level of what it is to work by referral, if you are a small business owner and you want to work by referral.

Speaker 3: 57:45

We're the best in the world at that.

Speaker 2: 57:48

So good. I will make sure this is all tagged in the show notes. I know you also are an author. Where can people find your books?

Speaker 3: 57:54

I believe Amazon is, you know it's the mental locker.

Speaker 2: 58:00

It was, it was, yeah, I think it's sold through Amazon.

Speaker 3: 58:02

I don't know where else we launched that. It was number one in four categories in the first hour.

Speaker 2: 58:07

Wow.

Speaker 3: 58:08

Power of a network. It wasn't that the book was that good, as I reached out to a bunch of people that impacted my life and I said, hey, can you help me launch this book? And we had almost a half a million people say, hey, go check this book out, you know, and it's just the power of community. No one wins alone.

Speaker 2: 58:25

Well, your pops would be nice, your pops would be proud, because rule number three is just be a good person and be nice. If you're not a good person, not nice people aren't going to go to bat for you. A hundred percent. A hundred percent Good on you, brother. Yeah, okay, last part is called lightning round where I go random on you.

Speaker 2: 58:40

I'm going to ask questions that just are not pre-programmed. I'm going to show you the negative hits of playing football and taking too many hits not bong hits but football hits. I'm going to ask them quickly. Your job is to answer them quickly and, I hope, to get a giggle out of you, true or false? People called you the Nuke Lelouch, ebby Calvin Lelouch of Cal State, fullerton False. They called me Grandpa. There we go, true or false. You once threw 117 miles an hour at Cal State. Okay, tried to get a giggle out of that one. I wish If you could go back and start your baseball career over. You would only throw a knuckleball. Ooh, true, nice, phil Necro.

Speaker 3: 59:26

It's hard to hit man and catch.

Speaker 2: 59:29

There we go.

Speaker 3: 59:30

Longevity too. It's not as taxing on the arm.

Speaker 2: 59:33

If I went into your phone right now, what would be the one song that Dwayne would make funny? For that you listen to.

Speaker 3: 59:38

Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2: 59:39

Swifty.

Speaker 3: 59:40

Swifty, let's go.

Speaker 2: 59:42

I got a daughter. Love it, I like it, I have it's funny my, I have a daughter but she does not. She's like she's more into country and a little bit of the hip hop but my daughter's leaning that now she's a Swifty.

Speaker 3: 59:56

I mean, think about her as just an entrepreneurial Talk about living your best version of yourself. There's no better version of that. Right now she's really dominating the world.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

If I came to your house for dinner tonight, what would we have? Barbecue steak. Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:00:12

Yeah. Some grilled vegetables and gelato for dessert.

Speaker 2: 1:00:18

God, chef, are you sure you don't work for the Food Channel? Yes, if you were to go on vacation right now, just you and Kendra tell me where you'd go. No kids, how come?

Speaker 3: 1:00:29

We've been there. It was our first vacation away from the kids. We were there for three weeks. We went to Cortona, we went to gosh, we sailed up the Mediterranean sea when just and had an incredible time, Um, and we would probably go back and revisit.

Speaker 2: 1:00:46

Um, if there's be a book written about your life, tell me the title the journeyman. The journeyman, okay, love that. Now, tim, believe it or not, the journeyman's is crushing it. Uh, it's every, every airport copies are flying off the shelves and now Hollywood's found out about it. And now we're going to make a movie. You are the casting director and he didn't know who's going to star you in this new critically hit film that Netflix has decided to pick up. Chris Pratt, boom, love it, love it. Last question Tell me two words that describe your wife.

Speaker 2: 1:01:16

Incredibly generous Boom Lightning round's over.

Speaker 3: 1:01:22

I think I laughed more on my own jokes, which is what that's good, see, I'm too, I'm too rigid, I gotta let loose a little bit.

Speaker 2: 1:01:27

You giggled, you giggled. Man. It's been awesome getting to know you. This has been such a fun conversation, learning more about you, and I appreciate the free therapy today it's been. I got a lot out of this. I got a page full of notes. Dwayne brother, thank you for making.

Speaker 1: 1:01:40

Greg, you're the best.

Speaker 2: 1:01:42

They are man and go buy tailor-made golf clubs everybody. They're the best. I'm a tailor-made player, my son's a tailor-made player.

Speaker 3: 1:01:52

I know you guys are tailor-made players. I get brings hand-me good clubs there we are.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

Yes, oh yeah, because you got room, because all his shots on the club face you can hit, hit them off the hosel and still feel like new and that's typically where I do hit them there we go. Uh well, cool man. I'll make sure all this is tagged in the show notes but, like I said, really, really appreciate you time. You spent some time with me and thanks again for being a guest on the quarterback, dad cast appreciate, casey awesome.