Celebrate our 30th episode milestone of the Nonprofit Renaissance! Revisit moments with Chris and Taylor Dobson of Elevation Church on balancing creativity and leadership, and World Series MVP Ben Zobrist about his transition from sports to nonprofit work with Champion Forward, sharing insights on handling pressures faced by young athletes. We reminisce about haveing Lisa, the fundraising rebel, on talking about transformative fundraising strategies and how a personal trip reshaped her donor experience approach. Discover the inspiring story of Eugene and the Watoto organization, highlighting faith and perseverance.
Concluding our special episode, we revisit episodes where Roy Jones and David Lopez provided expert advice on donor engagement and wealth stewardship, emphasizing personalized communication and relationship-building amidst the "great wealth migration." Tim Foote and Brooke Hodenfield of Slingshot Group discuss innovative strategies for talent recruitment and remote work, offering creative solutions for building strong, mission-driven teams. Tune in to celebrate impactful conversations that have shaped our podcast journey!
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Celebrate our 30th episode milestone of the Nonprofit Renaissance! Revisit moments with Chris and Taylor Dobson of Elevation Church on balancing creativity and leadership, and World Series MVP Ben Zobrist about his transition from sports to nonprofit work with Champion Forward, sharing insights on handling pressures faced by young athletes. We reminisce about haveing Lisa, the fundraising rebel, on talking about transformative fundraising strategies and how a personal trip reshaped her donor experience approach. Discover the inspiring story of Eugene and the Watoto organization, highlighting faith and perseverance.
Concluding our special episode, we revisit episodes where Roy Jones and David Lopez provided expert advice on donor engagement and wealth stewardship, emphasizing personalized communication and relationship-building amidst the "great wealth migration." Tim Foote and Brooke Hodenfield of Slingshot Group discuss innovative strategies for talent recruitment and remote work, offering creative solutions for building strong, mission-driven teams. Tune in to celebrate impactful conversations that have shaped our podcast journey!
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welcome back. Thanks for pressing play. Uh, maybe this is on 2x already because that's how you've enjoyed the non-profit renaissance. Maybe you're at 0.5 because we speak too fast already as it is so you've got to slow us down.
Collin:Should we talk really slow I?
Heredes:think we should. Let's not waste our time. Colin, welcome to the Nonprofit Renaissance, glad you're here. My name is H and I am Colin, helping nonprofit leaders all around the world go further, grow faster. Part two episode. Here we had a special special guest on part one jenny, go back and listen tell, give us a 20 second recap.
Collin:Well, I'll just I'll let you go back and find out. We, we like we said, we interviewed a very special guest. We might have just let the name slip, uh but and it's not.
Heredes:It's not what you think it is. It's not what you think it is, and it wasn't as smooth as you thought it sounded, yeah how's that?
Collin:so I think that's accurate yeah so. So go back and and listen to that, if you haven't yet.
Heredes:Uh, and then come back to this one would you say it was like our best slash, worst and easiest slash, most difficult episode ever probably yes, I think so.
Collin:It was both the easiest and difficult, both the best and the worst. No, it's not the worst worst. It was great, but we are still continuing to celebrate our 30th episode, even though it's technically isn't the 30th episode, whatever.
Video Look Back:It's a bonus. It's a bonus episode.
Collin:It's a bonus episode because we wanted to make a big deal, because we've got 30 episodes of the nonprofit renaissance making an impact in the nonprofit world, helping nonprofit leaders go further and grow faster. So we just wanted to celebrate a little bit and so I figured we'd take a trip down memory lane today.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Watoto):Yeah, yeah oh there's a soundtrack well, yeah, what song do?
Heredes:you want to cue behind this like a little hoppy pola negative uh so if we had a theme song for the season? If there was a theme, we have a theme song for the intro, but a theme song for the season what would it be?
Collin:If you heard that popular Irish kid song, that's that's going around now. That's happening. The group of Irish kids that I'm not on Tik TOK, oh, come on, get with it.
Heredes:Sing it for me, get with it. Can we cut?
Collin:to a clip. Okay, so it's wild dude, it's wild. I would say that would be ours, but that's only because it's trending right now. Uh, a theme song, what would be our theme song, I don't know. Um, uh, I think friends are friends forever, I think, but maybe something that's a little more contentious than that, because, you know, it's possible that people think that we're not friends. I don't know no maybe they, maybe they get our sarcasm maybe, but I think it's been.
Heredes:It's been a controversial season, it's been a growth season, it's been a fun, it's been learning, uh. So it's hard to put that into a song. Maybe I have to be just a kanye west instrumental we'll have ai write one for us, well.
Collin:Well, maybe maybe you can do, maybe maybe we can do it, like you know, right now like real time I don't know. We'll see um well, if I can, man, if I can, if I can multitask well enough, which I doubt I can, I'm sure you can't have, I'll have some at the end. But if you're listening.
Heredes:here's a quick recap. We wanted to kind of go down memory lane. Like colin said, just highlight some of the takeaways, some some things that stuck with us, some of our favorite episodes yes, and quotes and takeaways and some of yours, some of the popular episodes, popular guests, some of those who've got comments, emails, people talking about. We wanted to honor that and thank you guys again for being a part of growing this community, this audience, and helping each other. Truthfully, it's about that. It's about us sharing our best practices, our worst failures, helping us grow faster and go further.
Collin:So why don't we start with some honorable mentions? Okay, we're going to deep dive into some of these, but some honorable mentions that, some ones that we really, really enjoyed. We interviewed Chris and Taylor Dobson, the creative directors at Elevation Church in North Carolina. We talked about just creativity and leadership how to balance that. That was such a fun episode.
Heredes:Great insights on budgeting, on preparing, on putting together big, large-scale productions for nonprofits.
Collin:Preparing and knowing when to stop preparing and just let it happen.
Heredes:Very good episode Just go for it.
Collin:We also were able. This was a good one. This was a fun one for me because he's a fanboy. I'm a little bit of a fanboy. I grew up in Florida, born and raised in Tampa, and so we had Ben Zobrist on World Series MVP. It was not the World Series MVP Hockey right, hockey, yeah it. Hockey right. Hockey. Yeah, it's a different type of hockey. You still use a stick and hit an object World Series baseball MVP Football.
Collin:You know Easy, now You're a soccer guy. But we did get to interview Ben Zobrist, a guy that I grew up watching on the Rays, and he eventually went and won a few World Series, was the MVP and now he's. They lead a nonprofit. He created a nonprofit called Champion Forward, helping other young athletes to be able to deal with some of the pressures that he faced and that he dealt with growing up.
Heredes:Super practical. I remember walking away with that, thinking about my boys who are in sports as well, and the balance of being that tough coach dad, setting expectations of victory and championships versus the mental capacity, emotional capacity these kids have, and for us to just be dad or mom and loving and caring and being there for them past the sport, because the sport will fade away, the athleticism will wind down.
Collin:So very episode and uh love what champion ford is doing and it wasn't just for parents of athletes, it was, I mean, there was it's a non-profit. They had some really great things to say for non-profit leaders and that went as well.
Video Look Back:And last honorable mention, oh, you took the lead on this. I need you to pronounce her name though because it's a great organization out of miami.
Heredes:Uh, friends of friends and um, I've heard about them for years, so it was great to sit down Pronounce her name.
Collin:You know, we don't have to make this a routine on the show If it's a Spanish or Asian or African name.
Heredes:We ask Colin, because that's his heritage.
Collin:All of those. Her name is Nicole de Lara.
Heredes:Puente Amazing bro. See, this has been so good. This podcast has been so good for you. Trash Duolingo. I knew it's free, but you got true Duolingo here.
Collin:Yeah, shame really works.
Heredes:Shame really works. Shame really helps you On the spot.
Collin:But she is the executive director of Live, Like Bella. You might have heard of it. It went viral a few years ago. Yeah, actually.
Heredes:LeBron James put a hashtag on his shoe and the thing exploded. And today, because of Bella, you know, the support for cancer awareness and research and development all across the world has been incredible, and the millions and what they've been able to do to nurture that, to raise the funds and to connect the right tools, doctors, resources, to the patients, to the hospitals it's been fantastic. So shout out to LiveLikeBellaorg.
Collin:Check out all of those organizations Elevation Church in North Carolina, champion Forward, live Like Bella those are really great nonprofits that are doing really great things. Should we talk? Dive into some episodes?
Heredes:Yeah, we'll highlight some and you can kind of we'll put some markers here so you can find out some of our favorites and some highlights that truly helped us and that we heard from our audience, that they put to practice and they were made aware for the first time. But one of the most popular, one of the most fun she got so much engagement online and love and if you listen you'll know why. The most rebellious yes, she is the fundraising rebel, Actually scheduled for next season already because she's that popular.
Collin:I think she might be the first episode of season three. Oh snap is that I love it, which is perfect for us, because we're kicking off strong lisa pronounce her last name colin yeah, yes, I feel like you just do it because you can't do it, it's stuck them in yes the fundraising rebel.
Heredes:Listen now, besides all the practical, and to share some of the your highlights there, colin. But even our conversation, her background in theater uh, she's from chicago. In pizza uh, just such an engaging and fun uh leader to talk to and successful in in her realm and in her network. So I can't wait to share some of the things we learned with her, even since then and that we'll share in the next episode.
Collin:If you want great insights in fundraising for your nonprofit, that's a great episode to listen to. If you want insights on how to make real authentic Chicago deep dish pizza, that's a good episode to listen to. We got it all for you. We're doing it all. That's it.
Collin:But we also talked about meaningful donor experiences in that one that was really memorable for me and she actually shared an example of how, of a meaningful experience that she had, that now she carries that example into her work as a fundraiser. And she was talking about, you know, she worked for a nonprofit that helps children dealing with starvation and malnutrition. They provide meals for them and for their families, conservation and malnutrition, they provide meals for them and for their families. And so they went down to that country where that nonprofit was working and they got to see, you know, their workshops, see kind of their operation, what they were doing. And while they were down there one of the kilns had broken and they weren't able to have the production that they normally would have, and so they meant they probably would have to lay off some workers. It wasn't just, you know, here we'd say, oh, it's broken, let's send it off, let's get it fixed. That was not the case there, it was it's broken Like we. You know, we gotta, we gotta stop something, we gotta shut something down.
Collin:And so while they were there, one of the VPs on the trip, he started just going around and said, hey, look, this is not going to go to our organization, but if you believe in feeding children, if you believe in helping children live and have a meal, then this has to work again. This kiln has to be fixed. And he went individually to people on that trip and said, hey, would you be able to give? Would you be? Had those conversations? One of those conversations was with Lisa's husband. One of those conversations was with Lisa's husband and it made such an impact on them that she remembers it today and it even guides her in her own work to ensure that she's not just getting money from people. She's helping people have meaningful experience as donors, connecting what they want to do and the heart that they have and making that fit.
Heredes:I love it, colin. Another question guest that stands out for me and I've known of them for years and I've met Eugene several years ago as well. Uh is the Watoto episode and uh such great work. And he's the executive director here in the West in the U S and the United States and uh, we'll hear from him in a second cut to some clips. But besides the music and besides um, a lot of the ministry and kids in the church in Watoto, it was great to hear kind of the founder story and how kind of God you know nudged his heart to start everything. That's Watoto today, right.
Collin:Yeah, and I mean I love that, the opportunity that we get on this episode to just learn about these things, because I didn't know very much. I'd like heard Watoto very vaguely but I didn't know anything about it, and so just getting to hear the story and hopefully there were some of you that were in that same place where you didn't know about it and now you do and hopefully you're interacting with it. But yeah, the founder's story was so incredible like such a great level of faith, the faith that they were walking in and they were just saying yes to God over and over and over again, even when they didn't know what was happening, and so we got a little clip here, that we'll play where he kind of tells us a little bit about that Fast forward to the church that the church has planted.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Watoto):They began, you know, 10 years in, they began caring for children. And again, I guess the Lord this is Gary's account of the story is that God spoke to him and said you need to put together a group of kids as a choir and travel the world and tell the world what God is doing in Uganda. And so he shared the idea with Marilyn, and this is an amazing, amazing story of faith. Marilyn went to the British Airways office. Now this time, they're a small to medium-sized church in Uganda, but not a lot of resource. They don't have money just to go flying all over the world. And so they went to the British Airways office in Kampala and explained what their goal was. We want to take a group of orphaned children around the world and share this story. And so she said but we don't have money. Can we buy tickets on credit? And once after the tour is finished, we'll have revenue to pay for the tickets. And they said, yeah, we can do that.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Watoto):And they asked where do you want to go? And she's like oh, I hadn't thought of that. So she said do you have a map? So they brought a map out of North America and she said Chicago's in the middle of a flight to Chicago? No way. So they. They brought this group of children and a group of adults. They were the chaperones and the band. They took the sound system out of their church. Remember, there's no office here, there's no bus waiting for them, there's no staff here with bookings. They arrived in Chicago without any concerts booked, stop. And this was back in the day of phone booths and yellow pages. What year was this? This is 94.
Heredes:Wow, different world. They didn't have an iPhone or they couldn't go on Google and search for top 100.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Watoto):He goes to the phone booth and starts calling churches in the Yellow Pages and says we just landed at the airport with a group of orphaned children from Uganda. Can we come and sing at your church? That's incredible, a complete step of faith. And so this is the foundation of our ministry, is our founder is completely faithful to God's calling.
Collin:Amazing, that's awesome. Hearing stories like that is emboldening for my own faith and just being able to see that there are people who are willing to follow God on the mission that he's calling them to, to follow God on the mission that he's calling them to, and then being able to connect that to an organization like Watoto and say, look what those yeses did, look at what those yeses how it's resulted in an incredible thing. What do we got next? Roy Jones, roy, what a man. So many takeaways, oh man.
Heredes:Talk about. You know I did not know Roy till the day the podcast came to the studio. Such a great, great man and fun guy to hang Feels like a guy you can kick back and just talk shop forever, which we did. You guys didn't even get to listen to the entire. Maybe one day we'll do director's cut, but the quotes and the takeaways have stuck with me. I've used and talked as we're doing, you know, networking and helping our clients, but I want to share some of the top ones that um we took and I think in the previous episode I don't know if we got to talk about it, but our guests on the previous episode even share how this was a lot.
Heredes:You know in the digital world we live today, trying to get people's emails and phone numbers and develop that still the relevant and the powerful um impact of still having someone's address and the information that we're able to gather with the address from donor. You know income levels and capacity and opportunity and I think just in some ways kind of the old school and how it's still working. But then how not to avoid or ignore the relevant digital what's happening today. So Roy did an incredible job. I recommend he's linked up here so you can.
Heredes:But let me a couple of quotes here. One is one of the worst mistakes we make in fundraising is this is asking a millionaire for a $25 gift and he says and we do it all the time, right For major donors, they don't. If they don't come from my list, they come from your list and they don't give money away, they make investments. And that was such a great reminder. They're not giving money away, they're making investments and, to be sure, go for the bold ask. Know their capacity, know where they are, know where they stand, because they will give it somewhere else if you don't ask.
Collin:Yeah, and again that's like you got to know who they are and know what their capacity is is. I think a lot of times it's not that we see a millionaire and we only want $25.
Heredes:It's just, we don't know anything. There's no relationship right?
Collin:We haven't done research, we haven't built a relationship, so make the bold ask. But he also talked about listening to their passion Love this it's about their passion, not yours. You don't need a big PowerPoint deck. You don't need to listen to what the donor is passionate about Nine times out of 10, they already know what they want to do. They're just waiting for someone to ask them. They've already said yes. They're just waiting for you to say will you be the one to say yes to me?
Heredes:And in some ways it's talk less, listen more. So listen to their passion and then, at the right time, when it's time to ask.
Collin:Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more. So listen to their passion and then, at the right time, when it's time to ask.
Heredes:Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more. If you're a Hamilton fan, ah, there you go. I just want to be in the room where it happens.
Heredes:You know what I'm saying. And then he also talked about segmentation and treating donors like who they actually are and we've got to drop the masks and trying to treat the masks like and losing them, they'll get fatigued, they'll be treated like a generic person and that's what you'll get a generic response or no response. He says we treat big donors like regular donors by sending them all the same e-blasts and direct mail. It is our job to find out who they are, create unique messaging. The bigger capacity donors get bigger projects to look at and regular donors get smaller projects. The bigger donors they don't want you spending money on them. Look at that. And that was not a popular thought because some people said well, we've got to donor, develop and give them the big gifts.
Collin:Wine and dine.
Heredes:They are investors. The communication with them should be personalized, not a mass marketing piece. It should look like the president sat down and sent them a personal message. The president sat down and sent them a personal message. Yeah, incredible. Sounds like you know, simple, but we neglect that in the growth and in the strategy and in the hustle of chasing. I highly recommend Roy Jones' episode. So many more takeaways there from Roy Jones.
Collin:Yeah, from FunFit they're always going to wait for you to make the ask who do we got next? We also talked to the incredible someone that I met through this podcast, someone that you've known for a while, but it's David Lopez, and he works for Generis and he helps churches and organizations get the funding they need for the projects that they're trying to do, and this was a great episode on building a legacy and cultivating stewardship of wealth for organizations. He talked this was mind-blowing for me he talked about this idea of the great wealth migration that we're coming up on this time, in the next 15, 20 years. They are anticipating listen to this number, because it's not going to mean anything to you. It's not going to make any sense. They're anticipating $32 to $35 trillion passing from one generation to the next and where the possibilities of that going are. Think about that. Think of all the billionaires. Right, that's pennies in the pocket of this, of this, this mass of money, and it's 32 to 35.
Heredes:It's an incredible amount of money and I love the space that he's living in and helping philanthropy, charity foundations, organizations, nonprofits, steward that go after that money that will either remain there, go on, you know, unclaimed, or go back to government that's just sitting there, not, you know.
Collin:I love this, not needing it, but go ahead, he said. He said uh, you may not have a plan for your money, but I promise you somebody does exactly. Somebody has a plan for your money, so you better make sure you should.
Heredes:Yeah, listen listen to that episode. It's a fantastic one. He also talks about how our biggest gift to the kingdom hasn't happened yet and that was was kind of encouraging but also like discouraging but also confused. But then he explains that our biggest gift actually happens on the day we go home, when we pass, and we don't know it yet. But without that plan in place it won't happen. Our plan for the kingdom impact will not be honored without the clarity and the attention and the stewardship it deserves. So I love that space he lives in, because sometimes it's neglected. We don't think of it as like oh, it's not going to fix tomorrow, but that long-term plan strategy in managing wealth and philanthropically, whether the endowments or whether their trust in the states, of how that impacts organizations like the ones from our listeners.
Collin:I love it because it reminded us that it's not just about what we do today. It's about what we leave behind us also matters a great deal. Who do we got next?
Heredes:We got one more, another friend and a leader and a successful, successful man of God father, husband and another one that I asked you to pronounce his name, colin, and let's give it a shot. Who is it? And you almost got canceled for it.
Collin:I almost got canceled for this one because it's Robert Padron Padron. It's Robert Padron Padron. However, the way he set it up made me think that I was supposed to say Robert.
Heredes:Padron, which put you on the spot, because I'm like why would you assume that, colin? Yeah, exactly, come on man, it almost got canceled.
Collin:And then he responded with my mom is directly from America, so she has never pronounced my name with a Spanish accent. And that's when Colin hit under the table and I went like this never pronounce my name with a Spanish accent.
Heredes:And that's when Colin hit under the table and disappeared for the rest. But Robert, so many great insights for a very important part of our nonprofits and ministries which is volunteers and landing not just any volunteer, not just quantity, but quality, high capacity volunteers which he is, which he has demonstrated. So we got some insights from him on having the mission being clear, so not just to put people in place, but what is the clarity of mission? And I think it's always important that a leader gets that, specifically with an organization who's trying to achieve something great.
Collin:It's another one of those things that it's like, oh well, duh. But then the people who are saying, oh well, duh, there's a good chance that your mission is clear to you, but it's not clear to the ones who you need to actually help you complete your mission. Is your mission actually clear? Do people know what you're doing? And that connects with the second one Does your mission or what your organization do, is that creating desire within people? Is there a way for you to match what your organization is doing with people who have that passion? They're not going to know that if your mission isn't clear, and they're also not going to know that if you haven't gone to them in the past, and what that means is if there's a vague invitation, you'll get vague responses.
Heredes:You'll get wrong people trying to meet a need. If you're recruiting for the band, you don't just recruit anybody. You can't just put anybody can join no, of course not. You need musicians who are actually going to be skilled in that same goal. So if you have an actual clear need, make a clear invitation, a clear call and very specific to the skills. And they're out there. It's just about going back.
Collin:I mean that is like a magnet for good volunteers, that having that clear mission and that clear need that is how you get them. They're going to see that if you don't have it, they're going to see it a mile away and they're going to go somewhere else.
Heredes:And it's interesting because it seems so simple and, for those of you who have been in it, we get lost in the repetitiveness and the rut. It's like, oh, we just need help, come serve. Come join our mission. Okay, join our mission.
Video Look Back:What is that To Mars? Are we going to Mars or?
Heredes:are you mission to? It's a specificity, really, and it's like we need this type of person to do this kind of work, to help this kind of need.
Collin:Well, here's the thing. It also gives me the information I need to know oh that's a no for me.
Heredes:Oh, that's a no for me Correct.
Collin:That's not my passion, so I know I don't have to waste time figuring that out. I don't have to waste three months of my life doing that the vetting of course. Because now I can go over here and say oh no, this is where my passion lies. Another really great episode is we. It's our most, this is our most.
Heredes:Well, high profile, would you say.
Collin:High profile and most attended guest. I've been saying that in the dumbest way possible, but we've had him on the most times and it's Justin Price, our incredible leader, ceo of Verse Creative. He's the gift that keeps on giving, but he came on and we did a series. Juicy J, juicy, justin. Is he paying you to say this stuff, maybe?
Heredes:well, I mean well, in a way, in a way, my contract does not have that. So this is from the bottom of my heart, not from the the sign check we did a series with justin all on ai and and there was this.
Collin:It was really really, really good. Uh, we've got some more clips. I want to set those up real quick, and so we had him on. We did a special series on AI and it was so good, and we also. Some of my most memorable experiences were just the incredible guest intros that we were able to get.
Heredes:Well, you know, when you bring a high-profile, you know authority, expert like Justin, you attract kind of high-level, you know novelty-type celebrities to interest.
Collin:So should we play some of those clips? Let's do it. So you know, we had some really, really amazing people introduce Justin for some of these.
Video Look Back:Welcome to the Nonprofit Renaissance, a podcast dedicated to helping nonprofit organizations go further and grow faster. Profit organizations go further and grow faster. The hosts of this podcast attempt to benefit non-profit leaders by highlighting their successes and by learning from their challenges. The hosts will sometimes also attempt to be humorous. The co-host, Colin, attempts it by spewing puns and dad jokes that are appreciated by 13% of the audience, while the other co-host, H, is a handsome, smart and naturally funny human being, but only in Portuguese. Please listen at your own discretion. Today's guest is none other than the principal and founder of the award-winning creative agency Verse. He loves fine art, fine dining and fine podcast hosts, which is why he is here today. Please welcome, Justin Price.
Collin:Amazing. You know, it took me weeks. It took me weeks to get to get over that, that scathing review of my humor, as true as it was. But we also now this this was a crazy pull. I don't know how you did this, but to close out the series, we had a special message from somebody else.
Heredes:I had to sell one of my kids.
Collin:They're doing great. Now they're doing great yeah.
Heredes:Before you take off on your jet.
Video Look Back:Hello H, hello Colin, it's me Obama. What a great episode. Thanks for all the insights today, justin, and thanks for what you do. It's great. It brings me hope. Keep helping others, go further and grow faster, and don't forget to rock your vote in 2024. See you soon.
Collin:You know, my favorite part about that is how he referred to himself just as Obama. Hey, it's Obama.
Heredes:You know when you're that close, when you're you close, when you're friends. You don't need to drop titles President, potus, whatever.
Collin:That was a super, super fun episode. So many good insights. Fun fact as well. While we're here just to let you know, we're going to let you know about it. First, speaking of the founder of verse, creative justin price, he has written a book. Are we leaking this? We're leaking it, oh snap, and we want to let you know that it is available for pre-order yes, sir, yes ma'am so we would love you to get this book.
Collin:If you want to learn how to lead your creatives better, this is the book that you need to get. Go to versecreativecom slash book pre-order today. You're not going to regret it. Once again, the gift that keeps on giving. Juicy J, justin Price. We got one more. Let's one more walk.
Heredes:Let's, yeah, let's slingshot our way into this last one here. Got one more. Let's one more, walk, let's uh, yeah, let's slingshot our way into this last one here. Man, king of transitions, baby, let's go, let's go. Uh, some of my favorite people in the world. These folks love the church, love non-profits, love ministry and are, have been in it, of it and know so many people around the world really great episode.
Collin:I wasn't able to be a part of this one. I got booted for the episode, but that's okay. Okay, it was still an incredible. I was still here in the room, I still got to hear it in all of its glory and listen.
Heredes:Did you have COVID or was it maternity leave?
Collin:It was maternity leave, it was maternity leave yeah, we had a new dog, puppies, but I was able to watch two masters at work Fantastic, and I'm talking about four masters at work actually.
Heredes:It's Tim Foote, Brooke Hodenfield, from Slingshot Group and cultivating strong teams for mission-driven organizations. We've worked with them in the past and work with them currently, and just big fans of who they are and what they do, and I think you'll have to listen to the episode because I don't want to give it all away. I do want to tee it up again, talking about, you know, talent churn and the road to and today's economy and workplace, but also talking about remote work and the importance of that in recruiting top talent in your nonprofit job flexibility and what's the stats on that today?
Collin:It's here and it's here to stay. So, you know, I've talked to a lot of people and you know, and I've heard good and bad. I've heard that you know, they're at a job that is very open to remote work and you know, and they love it. They love the flexibility, they love the freedom, they love how they're actually able to balance their lives with their work in a completely different way than they could before. I've also heard horror stories of orgs who are just not on board with it yet and are making policies that are very, very difficult, and so it's here to stay.
Heredes:Two points that they've made with the data and the case studies they have. One is that the flexibility in the work arrangement is often way more attractive than the actual higher salary offers.
Collin:When I heard that, that blew my mind, that there's people that will forgo salary because of the work around you.
Heredes:Well as simple as either being remote or the flexibility with time off or the ability to you name it start the office at this hour. They're looking for lifestyle and it's a generational thing lifestyle over that boomer kind of high pay per se. The other thing, too, is this, which hit home for us because of the type of services that our agency provides for clients around the country, is how we can fill the voids and the needs in our nonprofits or businesses, which is, you can outsource, there can be internal hiring, but the fractional piece as well, versus going full-time in seasons where it's creatively a way to approach it and being explored because it's truly no longer one size fits all. The traditional nine to five full-time employee uh, we know already has shifted and changed in the last couple of years. But now the ability to truly find a rhythm without sourcing, with internal, with fractional uh, with remote, um and slingshot kills that, helping you find the right people, helping you point to the right places to find those solutions.
Collin:And they're going to help you. Well, we talked about getting the right people. Getting the right people on the bus. You know you can. Uh, they're going to help you actually get those people so that you're not going through that process seven times in four years. Right, so that. But you, you're. It might take a little bit longer. You might have to have a fractional person, you might have to have someone interim there for a little bit longer than you'd like, but they are so good at finding the right people for the right jobs and getting them in there so that you're not dealing with that talent churn again and again and again. An incredible episode. Go check it out. Check all of these episodes out. They're all up there for you if you haven't listened to any of them yet.
Heredes:But yeah, before we go, if you've got a guest, if you've got somebody or if you're a cheerleader, your CEO, your COO, at your organization, we would love to talk to them. We love to learn. Again, we're talking about success stories, also talking about our failures and talking about some of those things that didn't go well but that we can learn from. Let's share that. We'd love to host you. We can do virtual, we can do here in our sunny not South Florida, but sunny Central Florida, tampa Bay, clearwater Studios. We'd love to host you, brew some coffee, kick back and talk about all things nonprofit, if you're curious.
Collin:The sound you just heard was a reminder for our next podcast, because we don't stop, we don't stop. We're like the Energizer, but we keep going, we keep going. So we're going to end this one right here. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for joining. We will see you next time on the Nonprofit.
Heredes:Episode three.
Collin:Or season three of Episode, episode one of season three of the Nonprofit Renaissance.
Heredes:We'll see you then.
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