E173: Health, Frustration, and the Journey to Wellness

Join us on the Sober Friends podcast for an insightful discussion about the challenges of maintaining health and wellness on the journey to recovery. In this episode, we dive into the frustrations of dealing with sleep apnea, the temptation of instant relief, and the importance of patience in finding solutions. From struggling with impatience to navigating relationships with food, our hosts share personal experiences and valuable insights on overcoming obstacles. Discover how taking proactive steps towards health can be a transformative journey, and learn practical strategies for managing frustrations along the way. Tune in for a candid conversation about embracing the process of self-care and finding comfort in one's own skin amidst life's challenges.

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Matt: 0:00

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Open: 1:14

Oh, man. Hey. Hey. I'm John. This is the Silver Friends podcast here for the new guy. And we're the way to talk about this stuff. Anyone looking to live alcohol, free coffees, day to day struggle. We know

Matt: 1:32

Oh, boy. Let's talk a little bit about health today on the Sober Friends podcast. I think that's that's a good one. I went in, Steve, for a titration C pap study last week. That's the second study that they do when they determine you have some type of sleep apnea, then they put the CPAP on you and try and determine pressure and all that. And it was a night and day difference. If you go to a sleep study, it's not a hotel. You're sleeping at some buddy's workplace and they're monitoring you. The purpose of it is not to get a good night's sleep. The purpose of it is they have to observe you in a state of sleep. So that's why you have to go. If you get a little bit of sleep, then they have enough for it. But it's not. It's the purpose is not for you to get a good night's sleep and they wake you up at 5 a.m. and even having maybe four or 5 hours sleep with that CPAP machine. Oh my God, I felt a thousand times different. I was a motor mouth in the morning. I had energy, I had a great workout. My kids noticed the difference. And then here is where the frustration is that they said it'll take about 2 to 4 weeks for somebody to reach out to you to talk about the next steps. So now it's 2 to 4 weeks of being in a cloud, being tired, waking up, not refreshed and having that feeling of what does this feel like? I Mm know what that feeling is. And hmm. I don't want to wait.

Steve: 3:08

Yeah, That's a hard thing. Waiting for a solution to something

Matt: 3:11

Mm

Steve: 3:12

that you know is coming or waiting

Matt: 3:13

hmm.

Steve: 3:13

for something that you want. You know, again, I don't think that is. That's a big there's a big difference between us and and normal folk, as we

Matt: 3:23

No.

Steve: 3:23

like to call it, the normies. But anything that frustrates me is problematic, right?

Matt: 3:29

Yes.

Steve: 3:29

I mean, we talk about it and that's I mean, anything that frustrates me gets me out of a place of comfort and serenity and, you know, and again, people can listen to this and think, oh, that's just normal. And it is just normal. But, you know, for me and for you and for many of us maybe listening to this, it all comes back to why I drank and I drank because of these little things in life that I could not handle on a regular basis. And they piled up. And again, this is one thing, right

Matt: 4:07

Mm

Steve: 4:07

we're

Matt: 4:07

hmm.

Steve: 4:07

talking about. This is one thing, but they pile up on us. And for me, when I was looking for a solution to feel better, like, is that now you you got 2 to 4 weeks of feeling like crap. And, and for me that was like, oh yeah, then I need to feel better. And how I made myself feel better was temporarily was to, to grab for the bottle. So it sounds trivial. I don't think it is trivial. because it's anything like I have a saying that I use now that anything that gets in the way of my serenity I need to deal with. Right. And that's what I mean. I need to deal with it. So if something is bothering me and I'm not serene or pushing me out of that area, then I need to look at it and I need to figure it out. And yeah, you can just sit back and wait. But you know, the nice thing is, you know it, you know, a solution is coming. So hopefully, you know, it won't be for weeks. Hopefully it'll be the two week period and you'll get some relief.

Matt: 5:07

This is hard. I feel a little bit better now than I did a day or two after it. Due to after it was crushing. It was the closest, I think I felt, of a drug induced experience having that night of CPAP therapy, because I felt like somebody injected 20 espressos in me without the jitteriness. It was so. It was so different in how I felt. And then to go back to how I normally feel, which I just have been muscling through, not realizing was a problem, It's like, no, this is a problem how I feel and there's a solution for it and I have to limp through and it is awful, but it does tie into our long term alcoholism mental mindset of I can't wait, I'm inpatient, I have Mm hmm. anxiety. I need that feel good solution Right. that ties in.

Steve: 6:09

Right. I need it now.

Matt: 6:11

Yeah.

Steve: 6:12

Right. That. That that's. That's the problem, right? Is like my habit was when I felt. And that's the whole thing about our addiction, right? Whether it's drugs or alcohol or whatever. I need it now.

Matt: 6:24

Mm hmm.

Steve: 6:24

Yeah. I need to feel better now. Like, it's not like. Oh, I can wait until later this afternoon. Or I can wait till later tonight. Nope, I need it now. So I need to, you know, I need to have a drink. I need to smoke some weed, I need to pop whatever, whatever your drug of choices, whatever. Even if it's not a drug or alcohol. You know, I need to have sex now. You know, like, all all of those things, you know? And that's one of our problems. And that's what separates us somewhat from people who can handle that. And I've said this before, I can remember long before I realized, like I was an alcoholic, I used to watch people react to normal things in life and handle them in a way that was was unfamiliar to me

Matt: 7:15

Mm hmm.

Steve: 7:16

calmly, without a lot of emotion. And I used to look at people. I'm talking, I'm talking when I was in my twenties, like, Man, I wish I could handle that situation in that manner. I knew I couldn't. And that was, you know, part of the reasons why I had all this pent up, whatever it was, energy, anxiety, anger for me. I had it all. I didn't know how to get rid of it. I didn't know what to do with it. So for me, it turned to an easy way out, which was, you know, again, alcohol was my solution, wasn't my problem,

Matt: 7:51

Right.

Steve: 7:52

especially early on. I mean, it was a solution early on. You know, that old have a have a glass of wine at night, relax. Like there were times where I could do that. But, you know, it became a problem when I you know, I couldn't regulate that. So I get it. It's something that we're always trying to look for that that easy fix. Ma'am, I know I am.

Matt: 8:13

On the other hand, I'm also trying to lose weight, and Yeah. I have been pretty successful of sticking to a program, but watching my calories, the weight is incrementally going down, and I have to change my relationship with food. And then I saw my wife eat this big oatmeal bowl ice cream last night. Mm. And that would have made me feel better because I just was craving that sugar. Right, And I'm like, I can't do that right now. I'm trying not to limit foods for myself of saying, I'm never going to eat ice cream again. I'm putting the ice cream aside and saying, When we go out for a special occasion, I have ice cream then, Right. but not this garbage we have in the fridge. So I went and had a little a banana with a little bit of peanut butter on it. And it worked. It worked enough, but I can't go back to food now is my drug that's that is not going to help with the sleep apnea at

Steve: 9:13

Absolutely.

Matt: 9:13

all.

Steve: 9:14

Absolutely not. And again, it's just this little stuff just piles up. Okay? You take either one of those. Like you said, you know, you were doing fine with the food, You were happy, you were in a good place with it. It was coming off your your you were happy with the success you have and and now all of a sudden, now you've got this other thing that you piled on separately. Those two things aren't a big deal. But as they start to pile up, right, they become more and more burdensome. And listen, it's it's tough. But we've talked about we've talked about food on this on this podcast several times and how, you know, we struggle. You and I struggle with it definitely,

Matt: 9:51

Mm hmm.

Steve: 9:52

and how lots of people struggle with it. So, you know, again, and it's that's a big one too, and I don't want to turn this into that, you know, that version of a of this episode, but it's a big one for a lot of us who struggle with food of, of having that. I know, you know, I'm in a bad place with that right now.

Matt: 10:10

Mm hmm.

Steve: 10:10

And it's just very frustrating. It's very frustrating to for me to constantly it's exactly like my my drinking.

Matt: 10:20

Yes.

Steve: 10:20

So so, you know, when I when I'm in that place, it makes it harder to handle some of the other stuff. I am more irritable, right? That's what it is. I'm more irritable because I'm in that place, so I have less of a bandwidth to be able to handle some of the other simpler things in life. And that's what happens. So you pile in your sleep apnea and now you're waiting and you're frustrated because it's not going to come because you know there's a solution.

Matt: 10:46

Mm

Steve: 10:46

You

Matt: 10:46

hmm.

Steve: 10:46

know that, hey, once I get this thing, I'll feel better. It's not something I've ever had to deal with. I don't think it's a problem for me.

Matt: 10:53

God, thank God.

Steve: 10:55

I do. But I know a lot. I do a lot of retreats for guys. And,

Matt: 10:57

Yeah.

Steve: 10:58

you know, I'm older and a lot of the older guys, they, you know, I literally go on a retreat with, say, 30 guys. I bet you six, seven, eight of them have CPR machines that they're bringing with them and they love them and they just love the the night, you know, nights sleep that they get with it. So, I mean, it's something you do something that once you knew it, you know, once you use it, once you get comfortable using it, because I know that can be somewhat awkward. My wife has used one in the past. She has one she doesn't use it all the time. But, you know, I get it. I look at it, I go, I'm not sure I could be comfortable sleeping with that. But I guess if I had sleep apnea and I was exhausted all the time, then maybe I would be I would find a way to become comfortable. And, you know, so but again, it's all these little things. They pile up, they get frustrated for me, they pile up, they pile up, they pile up. And if I'm not dealing with them, then it's I'm frustrated, right? I'm frustrated. And when I get frustrated, I'm not a nice person. And

Matt: 11:59

Nor am I.

Steve: 12:00

right now I'm just I'm just not nice to be around. And, you know, and, you know, today I don't have to drink over it. Right. This is the difference if you're out there and if you knew listening to this and you identify with some of these feelings that we're talking about today, I don't have to drink over. Right. You know, we're we're doing this podcast on a Sunday morning. After this morning, I'm going to meet our buddy John, who used to do this podcast with us for going for a hike. So again, so I have outlets, right? So I'll go for a hike. I'm going to tell you something. This hike will not be fun for me. I'm not in a great shape to be doing this hike. But, you know, I realize I have to do it. I have to, you know, and if I go out there and I get my butt kicked, you know, walking up and down this mountain, it's not even a mountain, but it's a good sized hill, you know, I'll feel it today. I'll feel it today. But I need to get started. It'll make me feel better because I like being out there. But it's also I'm doing it with the sober guy, right? So.

Matt: 12:58

Yeah.

Steve: 12:59

So I have I have solutions today, right? You have a solution for your sleep apnea problem. It's coming. It's like us when you get I think it's like early sobriety. You know, when you get when you put down that bottle and you know that the recovery coming, you remember I don't know if you remember those days, but you want it now, like, oh, I feel better now. Same thing like

Matt: 13:20

Yeah,

Steve: 13:21

after you stopped drinking those first couple of weeks, you start to feel physically better, like, oh, man. And that's why a lot of times early in recovery, you see people, they come in, you know, month, two months into sobriety. They're in the gym, they're working out, they're doing all kinds of stuff. They're starting to physically feel better. And but anyway, I don't have to drink over my problems today. As frustrated as I may get, I have a solution. I know what the solution is. I have tools. My my tools are the fellowship. My tools are talking to other alcoholics. They're there physically doing something. The old saying in AA is move a muscle, change your thought, right is when I'm feeling bad, I got to do something. I got to get up and physically move. Go to a meeting, go talk to somebody, walk the dog, whatever it might be.

Matt: 14:14

I am definitely in the early steps when it comes to this particular issue, both with weight loss and with taking care of my health. In terms of sleep, this is a place where life is unmanageable because now I know my sleeping is compromised. I can't control it. It's unmanageable. I'm in steps one and two, if not three. Right? There's only a higher power that can help me with this. Now, the flip side of this is being in recovery. I guess it took me ten years to do this, but I have decided to really take care of my health. So two things going on here. I'm 48 now. I was 38 when I Mm came in. Now hmm. I'm 48 and 48 is a little bit different with your health. So outside of the sleep apnea, getting the weight down is important at this age because things will only get more difficult. So I got the booze out of the way. Now I have to address how I feel about food in my relationship there, and that is not going to be handled permanently unless I'm able to handle my sleep, which will also have other health benefits. So I've decided to take those painful steps to get my health in a good place, because otherwise I'm just not drinking. But I'm not addressing the other things in my life. And I will tell you, it's frustrating to me that it took ten years to get to this point. I'm not initially. Well, you know, it's it's a journey, not a destination. And for me, I still get frustrated with that because Yeah. I do want it right away. And it's taken me ten years. I did get here in ten years, though. I did get the journey of when I wanted to get there. And I'm thinking about you in terms of the process. The process of getting in better shape is to do that mountain. Don't think about, Wow, this is kicking my ass. Think about if it's kicking my ass, then it is doing the healthy damage to my body, which allows the body to recover. Which is how it you feel better like

Steve: 16:23

Yeah,

Matt: 16:23

building muscle. You damage the muscles that grows bigger. In a sense. You you pressure the heart to work harder so that it heals better the next day. So you can do a little bit more.

Steve: 16:36

yeah. It also tell tell me today. Well, tell me to is and I'm active. It's not like I'm not active. I walk all the time and I do a lot of stuff, so. But it also will just give me that baseline of tell me, you know, I've

Matt: 16:49

Yeah.

Steve: 16:49

done, I've done some big hiking. You know, it'll just tell me like, oh, this little hike, which I've done dozens of times with this hike, literally probably a dozen times. And when I'm in it like this is a nothing this is a little walk in the woods, easy thing today. It'll be hard and it'll show me like, okay, like if you want to do some good hiking this summer, which is what we have some plans to do, then I need to really buckle down and start, you know, start doing some other stuff. So that's what, that's what it is with me is just gives me that, you know, gives me that baseline and, and just lets me know. Listen, it's, you know, we've talked about it, It's, it's hard to manage all of these things. And, and like you said, took you ten years to get here. But you're here, right? You're here now. And now that you can see some of this stuff, maybe you can put some good habits in place, you know, And the other thing is like, you know, you have a sort of you can see what your life schedule is now, Right. Like there was a time right when you first came into 2 to 10 years ago, Right. Young kids,

Matt: 18:01

Mm

Steve: 18:01

all

Matt: 18:01

hmm.

Steve: 18:01

this kind of stuff like your schedule was a little bit now you sort of you know, you have a career, you have a job. You could see that, you know, that you're settled into sort of a routine. And I think it might be a little bit easier at 48 to do some of this stuff because of that.

Matt: 18:18

Absolutely.

Steve: 18:18

Does it make does it make it easier to do it physically or even emotionally? All those things that you said that, you know, that bottle of ice cream watching, you know, watching someone else eat it? I just find that when I'm when I'm in that place and I'm healthy again, it's a lot like my sobriety with alcohol. If I'm in a good place, alcohol doesn't bother me. Right. And it doesn't bother me mostly, but there are times where I'm still bothered by alcohol. There are times when I'm still bothered by my wife having a glass of wine. It has nothing to do with her. She does it, you know. But it has to do it how I'm feeling about it. So

Matt: 18:54

Mm hmm.

Steve: 18:54

I just find that when I'm healthy and I'm eating healthy and all that kind of stuff, that bottle of ice cream doesn't call my name anymore, right? I mean, really, like, that's what it is. Like. It's not speaking to me, just like alcohol didn't speak to me. And just to touch on something else and I know this about myself, I'm a destination person,

Matt: 19:16

It may to.

Steve: 19:17

right? I'm not a journey person. I'm a destination person. And that's frustrating. I wish I could change that. But myself, I know it. And that's why I've always cited one of the reasons why I have a tendency to let myself get out of shape is because there's nothing on my horizon, right? I mean, if if I had real plans and I've talked about some plans that I think I could still accomplish what I had set out this year for the most part. But, you know, a couple summers ago when John and I hiked all the high peaks in New England, like there was a plan, like there was a goal out there. I knew if I wanted to get to that destination, right, that was my destination that I had to work really, really hard. And that's one of my problems that I get to that destination. Once I get that, it's like, okay, that's done. I think I'm going to take a break for a couple of weeks and a couple weeks turns into a couple of months and a couple of months turns into six months, and that's that's a cycle that I go through. And that was a cycle that I would go through when I was drinking, too. That's a lot. That's a lot of how am I drinking. But until the end, when I couldn't drink, stopped drinking at all. But throughout my life I would drink and drink a drink and then say, Oh, I want to get in shape. And I would stop. I would get in shape and I would take a break and start drinking. And then that drinking would start, you know, over and over. So, yeah, I'm a destination person. It's frustrating and I'm not 48. Well, I'm closer to 68,

Matt: 20:48

Yep.

Steve: 20:49

but I'm not there yet. And so it goes on for us. More and more frustrating for me is to you know, and I try not to beat myself up on it too. The other thing I try to do, which isn't easy for me, is I look around and we talk about this. I think we mentioned this last last time is that I look at people that seem very comfortable in their own skin

Matt: 21:11

Mm hmm.

Steve: 21:12

and I feel like I'm totally not comfortable in my own skin and it's y'all's. I'm comparing my insides to their outsides,

Matt: 21:19

Absolutely.

Steve: 21:20

but it's still frustrating. I mean, it's still hard for me not to do that. So it's just an ongoing thing. You know something? It's work for me. It's work. That's that's why that's why this program of for me to 12 step programs is such a important part of my life because it gives me the tools I need to deal with some of these simple little frustrations that maybe other people deal with a lot easier.

Matt: 21:48

But you don't necessarily know because we have a program and a way of living, and we have 12 steps. We have a if we choose to use it, we do have a roadmap through almost any problem. These issues that I have waiting for my CPAP. So steps work with that. Right? The

Steve: 22:06

They

Matt: 22:06

eating

Steve: 22:06

do.

Matt: 22:07

stuff, the 12 steps work with that.

Steve: 22:08

They do. They do.

Matt: 22:10

And I'm I'm, I'm focusing on those early steps of the way I feel life is unmanageable and I have been thinking a lot more about a higher power of please lift this from me All right. and what are the harms that I have done because I have felt this way, especially, you know, they're not I went and robbed a bank or stole money, but the level of irritation I feel sometimes because I'm exhausted or I'm not eating what I want to eat, those those things that the character defects come up in, they come up more frequently there than I do with sobriety. So if I address some of those things, I will feel better and be able to manage this. I need to do a better job of reaching out to people. So I've been doing that over the last week, reaching out to people over this and talking through when you're talking through insides versus people's outsides or outsides versus insides. Every time I feel like I know somebody who has a perfect life, they have a life better than me, Mm hmm. I will hear something from them that blows my mind Right. that I think I don't know how comfortable everybody is inside their own skin. Some are more comfortable than others, and a lot of people do a great deal of hiding. I know. I sure do.

Steve: 23:33

Yeah, I think that's fair. That's what I'm saying. It's it's easy to look at people. Yeah, it's easy to look at people in your life that you see, even family members or friends and neighbors that you see periodically. You spend a few hours with, right? Or you see somebody at a meeting and you spend an hour or a couple hours during the week with them. It's easy to start projecting some things on them that aren't true, right? Is is this whole thing? I do think lots of people hide. I mean, nobody wants to go into anywhere and just complain about the minutia of life. That's what we're talking about. And it's not that there's there's no reason to not pay attention to that stuff because, again, when when you have addiction problems, those are the things you need to pay attention to. But it's easy to do that. And but it's just, you know, it's a cycle. Like I said, I you know, I get there and then hopefully I find ways. And, you know, the ways are the 12 steps for us is for me.

Matt: 24:34

Yeah.

Steve: 24:35

And this this is the point, too, is like I don't work those stuff perfectly. So I do suffer because I choose not to work those steps. Sometimes I'm certain problems and and those things, you know, I continue to suffer over some of those things. So. And I know that too. I know that too, that, you know something? There is a solution just like you do, a solution to your sleep apnea. There's

Matt: 25:00

Mm hmm.

Steve: 25:00

a solution to my pain and uncomfortableness. I know what the solution is to make me feel better. There's a great little snippet out I see it on Tik Tok. It's probably on other places too, but of so many, like it's it's the same person asking the question, Boy, I feel so shitty up. Did you get a good night's sleep? Nope. Did you drink a lot of water today? Nope. Did you talk to anybody today? Nope. Did you get some exercise today? Nope. Did you eat healthy today? Nope. So that's the funny thing is like, the question is what are you doing to make yourself feel better? And that's what I need to do. I need to do a little bit work to make myself feel better. And it's there. We know it. And, you know, but again, I'm a I'm a destination person.

Matt: 25:52

Mm

Steve: 25:52

So

Matt: 25:52

hmm.

Steve: 25:53

for me, when I get into this shape, it's like, okay, I'll stop eating. And I don't mean stop eating completely, but like, I'll just cut back and start doing a whole bunch of stuff so that I could lose £20 in the next two months. And that's not the way I want to do it. I have done it before. That's not the way I want to do it. But I don't know. It's listen, it's just it's just a frustrating cycle of life and we just do it. And the the key is we don't have to drink or drug over any of these things that are happening in our life right now.

Matt: 26:25

Know, I talked to somebody I'm trying to figure out. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think about, like, who did I talk to about this, where they were saying I'm not doing sobriety? Well, Mm and I asked the person, mm. Have you been drinking? Like, No, I go then. Then Yeah. you're fine. Nobody does this sobriety thing perfectly, Right, because if they did, they never would have had a drinking problem. right, And I struggle with that sometimes because I look at the the old geezers in AA who've got decades and I look at them as those people are perfect, they've got it together. But if you if you talk to some of these geezers, they don't have it all together. They've got their own problems, right. which is why they Uh, continue going to meetings and they continue taking sponsors because there's still things we're all working on. But and I think I read I read somewhere that Bill had talked about how I wrote them, but doesn't mean to do them perfectly right, and be okay with you're not going to do the steps perfectly. Nobody ever said you can't redo them over and over and over again and look at it as practice this whole exercise I'm going through of losing weight, trying to get more physically active, trying to get better sleep, to get to the place I want to be. I'm going to need the practice. So if I could just drop the weight overnight that would be great. But I will not have learned any lessons. right.

Steve: 27:58

You know, I saw, I went to one of the guys from Friday night, one of the newer guys in the program was speaking this past Wednesday, and I went out to support him, went to a meeting and. The Chairperson It was really interesting because The Chairperson was I didn't know this guy. I had been to this meeting. I spoke at this meeting before, but he talked about when he came in, he was an older guy, a little bit younger than me probably, but close, you know, probably late fifties, early sixties, sort of a biker guy. And he talked about how when he first came in, he used to do all the same behaviors. And his sponsor would say, that's fine. He goes, You're not drinking. So that's fine.

Matt: 28:43

Mm

Steve: 28:43

He

Matt: 28:43

hmm.

Steve: 28:43

goes, You're still going to get yourself and all the jackpots. But as long as you don't drink, right, and this is the salt, this is the primary purpose of being an alcoholic. Right. His sponsor and I've never heard anybody talk about it. And he said, I kept getting arrested, I kept getting in fights, but I didn't drink, you know. And he said it took me a long time before I was able to stop some of that behavior. And that shows you some of the problems that we alcoholic and addicts have. We have this we have this mechanism that we don't always know how to handle this stuff. And like you said, we but we have steps that we can do to bring us relief. And, you know, if we choose to use those steps, if we choose to do them to the best of our ability at the time, that's what we always talk about are best of my ability at that time, which is a moving target for me, right? It's how do I feel and that changes. That changes quickly for me. And that again, it's not something I love about myself, but it's just the way it is.

Matt: 29:50

The beauty about working the 12 steps is they will solve a lot of problems in your life. And if they don't solve them, they will point you in the right direction of We can't solve this ourselves. Go here for help. Right, And I didn't have that type of stuff before. Right. Now I do. Hey, got to get a request for you. All I could share. We had a couple of reviews on Apple Podcasts and I'm not prepared because I didn't bring it up because I'm just thinking about it now. So I'll read the reviews next week. They were fantastic. They were two five star reviews.

Steve: 30:28

Nice.

Matt: 30:28

We love reviews on Apple Podcasts. So give us a review. Tell us what you think of the show and if you think we deserve the five stars, give us the five stars. If you find value on this show, give what equals your value at buying me a coffee dot com slash sober friends pod. What we do with the money, I put it in a pay scale interest bearing account and I then I pay out the bills from this podcast and that's pretty much all I do with it. It just sits there, it earns some interest and then I pay off the like three things that we have that are a little bit on the expensive side. And if those things are paid off, really everything is gold. And Steve, thanks for getting up, dealing with me spacing this morning and forgetting

Steve: 31:13

Okay,

Matt: 31:13

to do this and having

Steve: 31:14

look,

Matt: 31:14

a great

Steve: 31:15

I

Matt: 31:15

podcast.

Steve: 31:16

really was good. I'm glad to be here. All right, Matt, Have a great day.

Matt: 31:19

You too. We'll see you next week by everybody.