How I got to the TAO & the Method: Guest Speaker Jonas Feeley

I am super excited to have our next guest, Jonas Feeley! We rarely have men on our podcasts and believe me, this is not intentional, so having Jonas as our guest speaker is super exciting and special. Welcome Jonas!

Jonas is a student, and friend, of mine which makes him a student of the Tao and my Tao of Horsemanship. He became a student with his wife Emily many years ago and together they achieved a life most of us would dream of. 

I hope you join us as we listen to Jonas talk about his life before the Tao and how the Tao of Horsemanship has positively influenced his personal transformation, mindset, spirituality and relationships.

Transcript

Caroline Beste (1m 4s):
You are listening to Everything Horses & More! Podcast with me, your host, Caroline Beste. I'm the founder of my Tao of Horsemanship method, a pioneer in horse training and development and a true advocate of the horse. I bring an intuitive and educated eye along with an experienced and intelligent perspective to understanding both horse and human nature and behavior. My experience in skill sets are the cornerstone to my worldwide success in training methodology. My experience with horses as intelligent sentient beings is what inspired me to create my highly acclaimed and proven training method. consensual partnership training for Horses and humans.

Caroline Beste (1m 44s):
A model I pioneered in 2008. Consensual partnership training provides a comprehensive and impressive curriculum teaching horse owners how to fully develop their horses using a holistic, empathetic, and natural process. My training system teaches you how to achieve true partnership with horses and without the use of pain, excessive pressure, dominance, force or coercion, In. Addition to being a world class trainer for both horses and people. I'm an artist, author, entrepreneur, Speaker radio show host, licensed working equitation trainer and riding foundation specialist. I offer one of the largest and most comprehensive online educational platforms, the do of horsemanship, where I host a variety of courses produced and personally taught by me and my amazing school masters In.

Caroline Beste (2m 36s):
addition to sharing what I know in my in person training and online courses, I invite special guests and students each month to my radio show, everything, horses and More podcast. This platform allows us to engage with all of you and share our very personal and transformational journey with horses. I invite you to listen in and hope you find something that helps inspire you to reach your personal goals and aspirations with your horse. Thank you. And may you always be one with horses.

Caroline Beste (3m 26s):
Welcome back everybody to Everything Horses & More! Podcast. You know who I am, your host, Caroline Beste of the Tao of Horsemanship. You know who my lovely co-host is, Lydia Primavera. And today Hi Lydia. And you know, Lydia's here for comments and questions. And today we have a special Guest. And not only is he special for many reasons, it's a man we never have been on our podcast. Welcome Jonas. I love it. Welcome.

Jonas F. (3m 60s):
Thank you.

Caroline Beste (4m 0s):
Thank you. Thank you for being here. This has been a long time coming. We've talked about doing a podcast for a while now, like the last two years probably.

Jonas F. (4m 9s):
Yeah.

Caroline Beste (4m 10s):
It's good to see you. Welcome. Coming to Fruition. Finally.

Jonas F. (4m 12s):
Thank you for having me. Let me be a part of it.

Caroline Beste (4m 14s):
Thank you. Thank you for joining. So today's topic is How I, got to the TAO and the Method, and I'm gonna do a, a brief introduction for all of you who are not familiar with our podcast announcements and promotion. I'm pretty much gonna read what I send out. So I'm super excited to have our next Guest Jonas Feeley. We rarely have men on our podcasts, and believe me, this is not intentional. so having Jonas as our guest speaker is super exciting and special. So, Welcome Jonas and your wife, you're both students. I love it. And friends? Yep.

Caroline Beste (4m 54s):
Okay. So Jonas is a student and friend of mine, which makes him a student of the Tao and my Dow Horsemanship. He became a student with his wife Emily many years ago. and together they achieved a life most of us would dream of. And we'll talk a little bit about your journey and where you guys are today, which is pretty powerful on a very personal level. It's very powerful. Yeah. So I'm pretty much, that's it from my introduction, my dear. I'd like you to, you know, tell everybody, you know, a little background, like Okay. You know, a little bit about your personal life and, and how you got to where we are today.

Jonas F. (5m 36s):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Again, thank you Caroline. Thank you Lydia. I truly honored to be asked to be a Guest today, so thank you very much. And I'm excited to be here. A little background about myself, we can go all the way back. I was born in Countess, Lithuania. I was adopted at five years old. I grew up primarily out west in California to to, to a great family, great parents. I have a little brother. And during that time as I was growing up, I spent, I I went to a military academy, elementary school, and then in a high school.

Jonas F. (6m 17s):
So I thrived in those environments, those structured and discipline style environments. And then post-graduation, I decided to join the military. I worked as an intelligence professional in the military and served couple combat tours down down range to Iraq.

Caroline Beste (6m 37s):
Thank you. Thank you. We're honored to have you. Thank you.

Jonas F. (6m 42s):
Yeah. And so through all of that I met my wife Emily and you know, we're both, you know, military veterans ourselves. And you know, as we're getting into the podcast more, we'll talk about, you know, how what we've accomplished recently has been years in the making. But you know, the, the Method, the Tao, how did I get here? How did I get here today? You know, it, it was by a stroke of my wife going, Hey, I think I want to get back into Horses. And I'm, you know, seven years in marriage. And I'm like, wait, what? So it was one of those, and so she,

Caroline Beste (7m 22s):
But but back up for a second. Hold on. You, you didn't grow up with horses, but you took lessons and you have an affinity for Horses in all animals.

Jonas F. (7m 32s):
I grew up in the part of California. I grew up in the Sans Valley. It's a very, it's the central coast area of, of California, right outside of Santa Barbara. And in the valley there's a very big equestrian cattle, California cattle and things like that. So there's, you know, the opportunity was there to take, you know, trail rides on a quarter horse and, and you know, do that thing unbeknownst to me, you know, neck reigning a horse and things like that. Unbeknownst to me, you know, what I knew today versus what I knew as a kid, I was like, I just loved it. I ate it up. I, I enjoyed that experience. And so when my wife came to me seven, six years ago and was like, Hey, I want to get back into Horses.

Jonas F. (8m 16s):
I'm like, wait, what? Which of course I supported and through that process we were introduced to Caroline and your Method and what you've developed and created your life's work. And we've pretty much have jumped in both feet and have like, loved every moment of it. So, and we're just continuing.

Caroline Beste (8m 38s):
Yeah, I remember.

Jonas F. (8m 40s):
So,

Caroline Beste (8m 41s):
Gosh, it, it has, it's been like, I don't know you guys maybe six years when Emily came to the ranch where, where I was renting before and did her assessment. And of course her, one of her best friends cuz Emily and Renee are from Maine. Right? Yeah. That's pretty cool. And you're from California and then you guys met in the military overseas

Jonas F. (9m 1s):
And got married. Met Germany. Yeah, we got met in Germany, got married in Denmark. It's write a script. I guess

Caroline Beste (9m 12s):
You could, yeah. You guys have had a really cool, interesting life in your young years cuz I think you guys are in your mid, mid thirties. Mid thirties. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have have, you've done a, you've done a lot and you continue and you continue to add to that. Yeah. Which is so beautiful. But yeah, Emily met me through her dear friend Renee, who also was from Maine, went out west and then found me and came east coast again. And then it's was serendipitous. And then you were brought on board. How many years after Emily got a donate your first horse? Did you find your horse a moura?

Caroline Beste (9m 53s):
Was it two years? How long was that?

Jonas F. (9m 55s):
Yeah, it was, it was about two years. She got, yeah, she got a donnet, you know, with Renee and, you know, really Renee introduced this to you and Emily had her first immersion with you or her assessment. And then, you know, from there, you know, she's like, I'm gonna get a horse one day. This is, this is what I've been looking for. And you know, she jokes about it and says, oh no, but you know, and I supported it, you know, I supported it 100%. I think it's, you know, for you did, you know, and

Caroline Beste (10m 25s):
You are so supportive, you're amazing.

Jonas F. (10m 28s):
Yeah. And for me, you know, initially I was like, you, I think the key to it is you have to be open to, to learn and grow, right? So at that moment, I didn't, I was kinda like, okay, I'll, you know, test the waters and see, but you know, I saw the work that Renee was doing with a Brill who became our step horse. That's because we're very logical, obviously analytical, logical. We, we think things through and we go slow. Yeah. Which is really good in this Method, you know, it's, it really forces us to even slow down even more in the Method. So for us, I think, you know, it works that way. But, so, you know, the economics of owning a horse and, you know, what is the financials and what is the, oh, okay.

Jonas F. (11m 9s):
This or that. So we, we, you know,

Caroline Beste (11m 12s):
So we're gonna return, hold on. We're gonna, we're gonna return to that too, because you have two journeys, you know, both you and Emily together. You have your own individual journey, but you have this journey of, of growth as a couple in attaining your dreams. And then you have this growth in the Horsemanship. In the Method Yeah. And they go parallel. So talk about that because when you, when you guys got back into Horses, like you are talking, you were, you were sharing Emily's best friend's horse taking, you know, first let's just learn more about the, about the Dow Horsemanship Method the work.

Caroline Beste (11m 53s):
Yeah. And get your feet wet. And it's expensive. And so you were, you already had a beautiful house on the water down in the Tampa area. Yep. And, and yet you, but you weren't quite ready to afford, you know, the payment of of boarding a horse, buying a horse, boarding a horse who you were leasing Renee's horse, sharing her horse. Talk a little bit about the parallels of, of being in Riverview, Florida, you know, where I once was with my Horses when I first moved here, and that journey of where you are today. I mean, it's, it's, it's, yeah,

Jonas F. (12m 30s):
It's, it's definitely a journey, right. You know, when Emily said, I wanna get back in the Horses, you know, the journey really started with her taking some lessons out in St. Pete, St. Petersburg out in Pinellas Park and doing some stuff there initially that, you know, wasn't the direction she wanted to go. So then we found a born down in Sarasota, the lady there had a Arabian Horses. And we, you know, I I literally just cleaned stalls and Emily got free lessons. So, you know, the, the, the, the grunt and the labor work. Right. You know? Yeah. We both did too though. I'm, I'm gonna say Emily was in there hustling with me too. And we did that for a while.

Jonas F. (13m 9s):
And, you know, Emily got her, you know, literally her, her legs back, her her riding legs back and was like, you know, I know more than I, you know, I remember things from my childhood when I used to ride. So yeah, that's where it really started. Then of course, Renee comes into the picture. You've come into the picture and, you know, that realization of this Method and what you've developed was when Maya, you know, Emily was like, okay, I, this is why, and this is what I want to do when I own my own horse. So I think that solidified that, okay, we're gonna get a horse eventually

Caroline Beste (13m 44s):
On a soul level that happened with the assessment when she had that with Lovey and Me. Yeah. And that when she's like, I want a thorough bread, you know, I want a horse like Lovey that can give back and feed my soul and take the learning the Horsemanship into a holistic, more holistic journey. Yeah, yeah.

Jonas F. (14m 8s):
And so, you know, Renee, you know, a brill, we, you know, we split costs there and during that time in Riverview, in, in Glenn and Debbie's place, we, we did find a dining and, you know, I was growing Dr first course with my understanding of, you know, I was more of an observer, you know, proper leading, you know, safe, you know, all the ground manner stuff, you know, that I was learning and was a great teacher. I mean, she, kudos to Renee's

Caroline Beste (14m 44s):
Horse

Jonas F. (14m 45s):
When you guys did that horse, you know, she was going through her own rehabilitation journey as well. But, you know, she was a big sweetheart and, you know, seeing the work firsthand and

Caroline Beste (14m 57s):
Seeing she'd come a long way. She had come a long way with Renee and through the work in her rehabilitation was amazing. Yeah. The self, yeah. The level of self-regulation where Renee felt safe enough to get on and Emily fate and the horse felt safe enough to, to give you permission to get on. What was your, let me ask you this question as an observer at that time, cuz you didn't have your horse. So you're observing, and you know, I've been a part of that journey, so I remember things too coming from both of you. What were you seeing changing in your wife Emily and what was changing in you, in your relationship with your wife?

Caroline Beste (15m 39s):
You know, on a personal level?

Jonas F. (15m 40s):
Yeah. I think if the forced us to, you know, we were hard charging career, push, push, push, push. You know, we're very driven people and sometimes we, we get outta scope, we get outta sync. And I think we are a little bit, you know, living, you know, outta sync for a minute. And so from a personal level, I think it forced us to both slow down, be present, be aware, be you know, open to listening and, and communicating

Caroline Beste (16m 18s):
In your marriage.

Jonas F. (16m 20s):
Yeah. And that's what I'm saying in the marriage and even just, just it, it forces you to, it forced, it didn't force, it just made you, you've learned through this Method to these, these skills and these tools to say, okay, hey, let me step back for a second. Okay, let me listen, let me be present. Let me be aware, not just, ah-huh, got it, okay. You know, move along whatever. I got this to go do what, you know what I mean? It was, it was kind of a kick in the pants in the right direction for us. And

Caroline Beste (16m 50s):
It's about the needs, the emotional needs, the emotional needs of humans and Horses, that's where you're stepping back and listening to what, what each of us, each of the participants in these relationships, we're all sentient beings, we're all mammals, Horses, humans. What do we all need during this learning journey? You know? So the learning journey is here's these specific skillsets and techniques and exercises that I've designed to produce the opportunity to create the opportunity for all of these, these holistic learning opportunities for all of you. Yeah. And what, you know, I've been, I've been there witnessing this growth in the last six years.

Caroline Beste (17m 33s):
And so, you know, I don't mean to step in and take away from what you wanna say, but it, it's been amazing to be your, your personal coach too, for you and your wife and see you guys blossom. And not just blossom in your marriage, but blossom in your, your, your own autonomy of who you both are, what you both need and want. And just like you said, like me too before I got back into Horses, you know, laser focused, driven, ambitious, you know, let's, let's get her done and let's be really successful. However, that, that shows up in whatever it means to us. But when you get into this world with the Horses and everything's like, whoa, it's so 3, 4, 5 dimensional, you know, it's like, wait a minute.

Jonas F. (18m 21s):
Yeah. There's so many layers, so many layers to that onion that you personally unravel within yourself. You know, the, you know, it just, it, it, it's been amazing as, you know, initially the observer and then when Emily got her, her Dane and then, you know, really was doing more work and, and really working with a Dane and, and watching that and being a part of that. And when I got a moura, you know, it forced me to, forced me to do the work and say, okay, I, I've been observing. And then also being open to Emily teaching me as well, because she had the MMP at that point, and she was already, you know, a couple years into it.

Jonas F. (19m 6s):
And me as a male in this, it really is like, okay, my wife knows more. I have to listen. I can't just, I just can't do what I think I know because I think I know, you know,

Caroline Beste (19m 19s):
I bow to you, I bow to you, I bow to you. It takes so much.

Jonas F. (19m 24s):
There, there were moments where Emily Emily was like, you know what, you're either gonna listen to me or I'm not doing this with you. And we've had those conversations, you know, so it's, you know, it was, you know, it's been, it's been fun doing this. I mean, it's, yeah. It's,

Caroline Beste (19m 43s):
It's interesting

Jonas F. (19m 44s):
For our marriage, I think for our marriage and for each other, it, it's been, it's been a different last six years, I think, you know, where we are today as as human, you know, as a couple, as individuals. I think we're, you know, we're continuing to grow and, and develop and, but we're definitely, I think in a, in a more positive and, and better space than we were. So Yeah. And that's just a testament Yes. To the, to the work and, you know, your guidance and, and friendship over the years. So,

Caroline Beste (20m 16s):
Oh, it's, it's my pleasure. You know, it's beautiful being a part of this with you guys. And I, I value that opportunity and our friendship and, you know, I say this all the time, we can each, I think we should all just step and, and look at our step back and look at our relationships with our own Horses. You know, it's, it's, it's like, wow, you know, donate is such a great mirror reflection and guide, you know, for Emily and your mayor is such a reflection, a mirror and guide for you. And they, and you can change and switch out and work with each other's Horses.

Caroline Beste (20m 56s):
And what I'm saying is the power of the horse to be a teacher is mind blowing. It, it's, it's a, it's something that we all can look forward to every damn day, every damn day we can learn something many things about ourselves just looking through the eyes and the actions of our Horses and the Horses that we interact with. And you've got to, Lydia's got three and it's if we just take the time, but you've gotta be in that right space and be open to growth and challenging yourself. And

Jonas F. (21m 31s):
That's the, that's the secret. That's literally what is the key to the vault is, is be willing and open. Right. And once you, once you allow yourself to have that key to open that vault, the possibilities are endless. Yes. You know, but it's, you know, initially as a male coming into it, you know, it's like, ooh, chakras energy breathing. I'm like, okay, this is some like witch stuff going on. You know, there's that initial speculation.

Caroline Beste (21m 59s):
I love it.

Jonas F. (22m 0s):
And my, my mother-in-law, Emily's mom did energy healing work and stuff like that. And so, you know, I I joked about, oh, it's the witchy stuff. But then when I felt it, you know, when I, when Emily did her first assessment, I remember her grounding and lovey just coming in and hugging on her. And I just, that whole moment I could just, I'm like, I'm yawning. I'm getting like super, like loopity like sleepy ish. And I'm like, what is going on? I had coffee today, but I think it was, it was that energy circle, that field. And so

Caroline Beste (22m 36s):
Creating the space, creating it. Exactly. The energy circle frequency, experience

Jonas F. (22m 40s):
It, that's masterful. I mean that's, you want to talk about it's powerful conversion rate of, of, into this is, is experiencing it and feeling it. So, but you gotta be, like I said, the key is you gotta be open and willing to try.

Caroline Beste (22m 56s):
Yeah. Lydia, were you gonna say something or ask something?

Lydia P. (23m 0s):
I have a question for s and yes, it has to do with, I remember talking to Emily when we started the A Team and her saying, you know, the plan, the life plan and it was gonna be like 10 years out for the farm. And I was like, yeah, right. Once you meet Caroline and you start doing this stuff Yeah. What you slightly manifest, you know, it starts speeding up and accelerating. I wanna know how Oh,

Caroline Beste (23m 33s):
We lost you. Hold on. The

Lydia P. (23m 35s):
Energy of it, right? Yeah.

Jonas F. (23m 36s):
Can you, can you repeat one more time? I'm sorry. Lydia.

Lydia P. (23m 38s):
Yeah. So I wanna, you feels, I wanna know what it feels like for you now that it, what, what manifested went so quickly. It was a lot faster than a 10 year plan. It was like, oh hell, let's go and let's go now. Yeah,

Jonas F. (23m 53s):
Yeah.

Lydia P. (23m 55s):
Moment, right? Yeah. I wanna know how to do that.

Jonas F. (23m 58s):
Yeah. So I, I definitely hear you there. So I think if I understood that it was, you know, how did it feel with what we had as a 10 year goal and how did it feel to accelerate that within this Method in, in the work? I think what it, I think first and foremost, it ground, like I said, it grounded us. It refocused us, it brought us together more personally in our, in our relationship. It made me more aware of, you know, what is, where are we going, what are we doing right? Like, you know, are we gonna stay in Tampa and do this? Or what are we going to do? And I, of course, getting the Horses was a huge motivator.

Jonas F. (24m 39s):
So that was step one was getting the Horses. And then, you know, step two was, you know, just getting ourselves to a spot where are we ready to pull the trigger? And by saying pull the trigger, we, you know, I was always, we had great equity in our home in, in, in South Florida or down in South Tampa area. So from a financial perspective we were in very good shape there cuz we brought, we bought at the downturn of the, of the last recession and, you know, bought in an area that I knew was going to grow. I learned that from my father, you know, buying a path of urbanization. Don't buy into urbanization cuz you're gonna Yes.

Jonas F. (25m 20s):
Pay a premium for it unless you need, you need

Caroline Beste (25m 23s):
Things like that back in DC

Jonas F. (25m 26s):
Yeah. And so I bought in the path of future growth and urbanization and then in the last couple years, co covid as, as crazy as that was for the world, it also opened up major opportunities for people in what I do. I work in information technology and Fortune 500 and 200 companies said, Hey, you know, why do we have this massive overhead? Why do we pay millions of dollars for these corporate buildings and places? Yes. So they, a lot of it went to remote work and I literally worked remote for most of CO of 2021 with a little stint back into onsite work in the beginning of 22, end of 21.

Caroline Beste (26m 11s):
But that was a huge motivator. Yeah. That was a huge motivator. Cause you guys did, you did a group immersion with me as husband and wife with your Horses. And then when you had to step back and take a different job and you were traveling 12 hours, you were gone 12 hours a day removed from the Horses. Yeah. And that's what you're talking about in the early part of 20, 22 a year ago that really put the fire underneath of you guys and Emily came, came That was massively challenging.

Jonas F. (26m 42s):
Yeah. It was, was massively challenging for both of us. I mean, we

Caroline Beste (26m 46s):
Need to rethink and re-look at everything. Yeah,

Jonas F. (26m 49s):
Yeah. It forced, yeah, it definitely did. It refocused us. And then, you know, knowing what I know where I work in financial technology, I kind of have insights and I've researched and I look at things and I'm like, okay, the vet is gonna raise rates. Real estate in Florida's gonna eventually have to soften. It cannot be this crazy seller's market. I mean, at that point we're over a year and some change in a massive seller's market and the rates were still historically not cr too crazy, but just seeing, you know, what was happening in the market, knowing the Fed was gonna have to raise rates sometime in the summer of last year, Emily. And I said, you know what, let's just put the house on open door and see what we get.

Jonas F. (27m 32s):
And she went and did a three day immersion with you. I spent for like a week or that week, she went and did that deep emotional immersion, you know, deep diving into herself. And I stayed back, took care of the Horses and fished and grounded and thought and said, okay, what's the next step and what do I

Caroline Beste (27m 52s):
Want? It was pivotal. It was pivotal. It was very pivotal. It was a huge

Jonas F. (27m 55s):
Pivotal moment. And so we you

Caroline Beste (27m 57s):
Did, cause you guys had been, you, you had been building, I mean we, Emily and I specifically had quite a few coaching calls too. Lydia. Yeah. So we were, we were doing a mind mapping and a plan, you know, like you they said 10 years. I heard that too, but I'm like, okay, it sounds to me like this needs to happen a lot sooner. Like, cause you guys are so unhappy. Yeah, well did happen that fast, but they were so unhappy, you know? Yeah. And like so many of us with the, with with your job in it, you needed more stability too. Yos and Yeah. And, and you deserve to make a hell of a lot more money than you were making. So there's a lot more to this story.

Caroline Beste (28m 38s):
I mean, yos without, I don't know any of the specifics, nor is it any of my business financially what to know what you make. But I think you basically doubled or tripled what you were making, you know, when all of this happened. It was this huge

Jonas F. (28m 54s):
Explosion

Caroline Beste (28m 56s):
Of good stuff just ready to go forward.

Jonas F. (28m 59s):
Yeah. I think we were, we were at a boiling point and the pot was getting ready to spill over

Caroline Beste (29m 4s):
Of not accepting less and not accepting less. That's a huge weight management. Not to mention you had to have your horse in your backyard. Yes. That was, that was part of it. Yeah.

Jonas F. (29m 16s):
Yeah. That was definitely,

Caroline Beste (29m 17s):
That's what happens to us.

Jonas F. (29m 19s):
Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, how did that fuel, how did that happen? Again, it was, you know, the coaching calls the immersions, we did the three day with you. We came up and you know, a year later Emily goes up. You

Caroline Beste (29m 32s):
Prepared

Jonas F. (29m 33s):
Self-reflection.

Caroline Beste (29m 34s):
You guys were preparing.

Jonas F. (29m 36s):
Yeah, we were, we were, we knew, we knew boarding wasn't going to be the long term. We just didn't know was it gonna buy land and build? Was it going to buy a place and, and fix it

Caroline Beste (29m 46s):
Up? I don't

Jonas F. (29m 47s):
Remember. There's so many. Again, being analytical and thoughtful, sometimes we get it in our own ways. But I think we, we, you know, we do that though, you know, it's good for us.

Caroline Beste (29m 58s):
We can overwhelm for those of us that are analytical and there's a lot of us out there, including myself. You overwhelm yourself with all the details and all the options. And one of the things, you know, I kept working on is getting more clear. You know, you can be overwhelmed as that's the beauty of mind mapping. You can put all these words up there and all these ideas and all these things we wanna achieve. Yeah. And that's part of manifesting. But as we whittle it down, so to speak, in time we get more clear as to what is the most important of those areas. Yeah. And the more clear we get and then we, you know, pray or affirm it, you know, think about it, pray into it, whatever.

Caroline Beste (30m 43s):
We, we, it is a conscious thought and a conscious decision. Yeah. You don't just put it on paper and walk away and get caught up in everything else.

Jonas F. (30m 50s):
Actually do. Yeah. Yeah. It was on my white about it. Yeah. It was on my whiteboard. Our vi you know, we used it as my office. It was, there you go. Our vision, we called it our vision board. But you know, I'd had other things on there too, but it had drain, you know, drain farm, you know, farm. Like what do we want? How many acres? You know, all those specifics, those those little analytical mind tools and thoughts that we had. Okay. You know, what do we, you know, we, yes, we're gonna downsize the home, but we're gonna upsize the property. We don't want to do too big too, you know, we, we want to do this in a way that makes sense for both of us because we're still professionals by day. Right. I mean, we're not retired and you know, we've, we, we work 12 hour, you know, 10, 12 hour days just like everybody else that's working and doing their thing.

Jonas F. (31m 37s):
But we just have a beautiful opportunity. I have a beautiful opportunity to do it from the house. And Emily gets a couple of days a week where she's here. So, and it's allowing us

Caroline Beste (31m 48s):
To, it's amazing you guys getting more and more clear.

Jonas F. (31m 52s):
Yeah. So the, the fire I guess really was, we felt it internally. Caroline coaching calls helped us.

Caroline Beste (32m 3s):
Everything came together. You guys

Jonas F. (32m 6s):
We're feeling what we're feeling, what would we do with this feeling? How do we, how do we express it? How do we work it? How do we, you know, we know what we want and we're feeling it. Now how do we make it happen? And again,

Caroline Beste (32m 18s):
It happened. It showed up.

Jonas F. (32m 20s):
Yeah. And yeah. And that week was pivotal for Emily and for me because it forced me to go, you know what? I know what I'm bringing to the table here. I know the next company that I'm gonna go work for. I want, I want to, it's an interview. They're not just interviewing me for a role. I'm gonna interview them.

Caroline Beste (32m 40s):
You're interviewing.

Jonas F. (32m 41s):
Cause I can go to a company, I can help a guy go through an m and a and he exits at a 20 million, you know, sale. And I'm left kind of holding the bag. I mean, granted, I still had a job afterwards, but, you know, great. He's made his money. But, or I work for a guy that's already talking about an m and a and has no, you know, if you like, you know, five, six years he's already wanting to exit. And I'm like, wait, I'm still gonna be like 40 something years old. I'm gonna need a job. So I don't want to be in that boat either. But yeah, I enjoyed finance and tech and found a great company I work for now that they actually reached out to me on LinkedIn. So you wanna talk about fruition and just, I'm sitting there that week and I gotta, Hey, you know, looked at your background, I think you'd be a great fit.

Jonas F. (33m 29s):
Do you want to interview and six interviews later and got the crazy offer and opportunity. Yep. And loving every moment of it and everything else just kind of fell in. And we lived in a hotel for like 70 days with the dogs, so that was cool.

Caroline Beste (33m 43s):
That's right. That is so cool. I know you sold your house, lived in a hotel while you bought the farm, you your dream farm, but you back rented it a couple of months for the, to the previous owners. Yeah. I mean prior preparation. It's, it's starting with that vision or that dream, no matter how scared we all are. And it's scary. Oh yeah. It's scary to take of faith and trust a process that you have no idea if it's gonna, you want it so bad, you have no idea if it's gonna work out. But it is, it is. For me, being a manifestor in coaching people like you guys in manifesting it is a process. And Lydia, you know, it, you know it too. It always comes true.

Caroline Beste (34m 24s):
You guys, you always get what you, you want. You always do.

Jonas F. (34m 29s):
Yeah.

Lydia P. (34m 29s):
You always get that. Not to mention, not to mention you guys too, just for audience. You have built plenty of course, including a health and wellness care course for Horses that we, we've got everything we need. We have the support we need to follow through with all of it.

Jonas F. (34m 48s):
Yeah.

Lydia P. (34m 49s):
Even training a baby horse, like, you know. Yeah.

Jonas F. (34m 52s):
Oh yeah, yeah. No, I think, I think again, it's, it's that willingness to be open, that willingness to grow, that willingness to push your, push yourself outside of boundaries and boxes and your comfort, you know, and, and, and embrace the discomfort of it sometimes because it's, it's not gonna be comfortable to grow. Like, growing is hard. So you have to be able to embrace that and be willing to go through that to get to where you want to go. And it's hard work. And it was scary. Trust me, Caroline. It was scary. And I'm like, I've got this house and I've got great equity and blah blah blah and the mortgage payment isn't too bad. And, and now I'm like, oh boy, are we doing this?

Jonas F. (35m 33s):
And just

Caroline Beste (35m 35s):
Breathe. Well that, and remember I'm pretty smart with money, so I was adamant that you guys kept as much as you could in the bank. Oh yeah. I'm like, you better not make this move to this buy this beautiful piece of property that is worth a fortune. You guys, I mean the, the, the biggest point is going from owning a 200 and some thousand dollars home that, that that doubled by the time you sold and buying something that doubled that almost a million dollars is what you ended up purchasing and being able to keep so much of your equity in the bank while purchasing this, this house and purchasing equipment and things that were necessary.

Caroline Beste (36m 20s):
So we have to be smart about this and, and it, this was a big move and it needed to be talked about and thought about logically, rationally, financially. And don't forget that you both are VAs, if I'm correct. So you have that leverage that most of us don't, meaning you don't have to put 10, 20% down on a home. No. If I'm correct, we did not have to put any money.

Jonas F. (36m 45s):
No, we didn't. We didn't have to put a down payment. What we did is we did five points into the, Kirk probably knows about it, you know that too, but, but bought points.

Caroline Beste (36m 54s):
Yes. My husband's the financial guru.

Jonas F. (36m 57s):
Yeah. So yeah. So basically we, we bought points for, to bring our percentage to our APR for the 30 year fixed rate down to a point where we knew, you know, it just, we put the money there for what would've been down on as a down payment. We put some of that money on points that wasn't 20 smart value smart, but it just brought our apr.

Caroline Beste (37m 19s):
So we're looking at the big picture. Yeah. I mean we're, we're not, you know, I'm not some loony tune that says, oh, just dream about it. And when you think it's there or it's in front of you, just take it. No, these are calculated steps. They're well thought out. And we're looking at the big vision board, which includes the mind mapping of all the areas that need to fall into place. Yeah. You can't, I've made mistakes, you know, and, and you need to have everything fall into place because if you, it's kind of like a puzzle piece or the foundation of a house where one beam is weak or one cylinder or one block is not in place.

Caroline Beste (38m 1s):
Everything is gonna crumble in time. But if you have all these pieces solid in place, like we're talking about the financial, you know, don't just do this and be left with nothing in bank and then someone loses their job. Right. Or there's an illness or an accident. You know, you gotta you gotta be earthquake smart about it. Earthquake, God forbid not here. Bless God. Bless those people. You might have floods. Yeah.

Jonas F. (38m 30s):
Hurricanes. That's about it.

Caroline Beste (38m 32s):
Yeah. Hurricanes we get, we still need a good, good foundation for hurricane. Yeah. We do have a good foundation for that. Oh my gosh, we have to here. What do you think, let me ask you this. Coming from the male perspective and being a military background and a va and the mindset, cuz I come from a family of military and I, I don't know, my brothers think like us, you know, they're think like you, so they're, you know, they're men like my husband. They're men, but they're also, you know, open thinkers and Yeah.

Caroline Beste (39m 13s):
Analytical, you know, spirit have their spiritual, their spirituality. So it's not foreign to me, but I, I do think that it is for a lot of men out there to embrace a more holistic, for the lack of a better word, holistic perspective on life. Like what's your spiritual, emotional, mental and physical wellbeing? Where is that in, I know where it is for you, but for most men, do they think about that? Like where maybe you haven't thought about it, but you're immersed in this work of mine with your wife, so

Jonas F. (39m 48s):
Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think the, there was definitely, you know, being a wartime vet and going to war and seeing war I, when somebody says what was war like or what is the war like, I I, I give them this one line. I say, I say, you see the best and worst in humanity at the same moment. You see amazing things happen that people do. And then you see horrific things that people can do to each other. I said it's the best and worst in, in humanity. And it's, it's hard. That's so do I, you know, spiritually and was I shut off? Was I closed? You know, all those things. I knew I was, and I purposely did it thinking I was protecting Emily, but in the end I was kind of not, you know, therapy and, you know, finally going to the VA after 10 years and getting my stuff rated and, you know, I was was that veteran that was like, oh, I got my limbs, I'm good.

Jonas F. (40m 43s):
You know? But no, I have my own traumas from war and

Caroline Beste (40m 48s):
Psychological

Jonas F. (40m 49s):
And, and yeah. And being a younger, you know, as a young kid, I, I didn't, you know, being adopted and going through that process, those were fundamental years of growth emotionally too. That stunted me in ways where I can easily shut off the emotion. Like I can be completely non-emotional and to the point where Emily's like, I don't get what you're doing. Like how do you not feel at this right now? And I'm, I I just go, I just don't. And so in this Method in, as a male coming into it, it forced me to go, okay, do a lot of retrospection.

Jonas F. (41m 30s):
You know, what am I doing here? Like, what is going on? And, you know, that's the hard step, right? As, as any, as most men like, oh, I'm good. I'm this, I'm that, you know, you know, I'm me's me, you know, blah blah blah. It's like, okay, yeah. But there's part, most guys will still sit there and go, okay, where do I wanna be in five years? Where do I wanna be in 10 years? What do I wanna, you know, okay, what am I doing? Like I would think most guys are still thinking about that. Of course there's the normal stuff. But Yeah. At least for

Caroline Beste (42m 1s):
Me it sounds like you've done a lot of reevaluating, reflection. Yeah. Evaluating, reevaluating, like Yeah. You know, I know I've asked myself that numerous times throughout my conscious, you know, my conscious, I keep evolving too, of course. You know, I hope and I, I keep getting, I get better and it's not easy cuz I have to dig through my layers of trauma myself to get to this place where I'm like, yeah, where do I wanna be in a year, two years, five years? Where do I wanna be in my marriage, my relationship with myself, my husband, the people that I care about, the people that, that hopefully bring, you know, bring value and I add value.

Caroline Beste (42m 42s):
And it's, it's a big picture. Yeah. It's a big picture instead of just going through the motion. Yeah. And hitting it on a superficial level. Yeah.

Jonas F. (42m 52s):
Superficial, you know, superficial level. Right. You know, you can either do that and just, you know, and does that fulfill you? Right. And I don't, most of the time, if it's just superficial, I don't think it does. I don't care who you are, I don't care what you say. If you're not getting something out of, you know, what you're doing, then why you're doing it. You know, that's kind

Caroline Beste (43m 12s):
Of, and I've been there

Jonas F. (43m 13s):
And

Caroline Beste (43m 14s):
I have been there down that road. Yeah. I lived a superficial life for a while. Yes I did. Oh my god.

Jonas F. (43m 21s):
Yeah. And I mean, in my early twenties it was, you know, war, take care of Emily, blah blah blah, do that. You know, keep pushing, keep pushing, trying to, you know, appease my parents in ways and be like, oh look, this or that, you know, is chasing that rat race a little bit for the, my own internal appeasement of what I needed. And eventually realizing I don't really care what they think or don't think, you know, I'm my own person. I know what I've accomplished and I'm proud of what I'm doing and where I'm going and my marriage and you know, being able to accept that and being able to grow and yeah, it's this, this Method

Caroline Beste (44m 3s):
Live a fulfilling life. Meaningful and fulfilling. You're definitely this

Jonas F. (44m 8s):
Method and you've outlined the tools through, this is your life's work and you've put it down on paper and, and you're willing to share and help and guide and, you know, be that, be that guiding light through it all. I mean, God bless you for that cuz you know, I'm in a better place than I was six years ago. So

Caroline Beste (44m 28s):
Yeah, me too. Yeah. I mean it's, you know, I've debated on sharing this and I really don't know why I am because 98% of me says don't. And I don't know why, but I'm, I'm back in therapy you guys, I've been in therapy since December and it is really hard for me to,

Jonas F. (44m 54s):
Oops.

Caroline Beste (44m 55s):
It's not, admit that isn't the right word, it's just I'm in such a vulnerable place and I am also so damn proud for the lack of a better word, that I am ready now that more than ever before in my life, my adult life to to, to tackle some of these things that have been, you know, with me for way too long. Way too long stuff I need to just get let go of. I'm so proud of, I'm so proud of you Chris. Be is easy.

Jonas F. (45m 30s):
I'm so proud of you, Caroline. I'm, I mean I'm still in my therapy for my stuff and you know, the Method

Caroline Beste (45m 36s):
I'm in therapy for my stuff. Everybody needs therapy. Come on. Yeah, well I, I thought, you know, that's my problem. I'm like, Hey, I'm the leader of this and I don't need, you know, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this on my own. And I'm like, no I can't. I keep hitting this wall where I keep re-triggering myself and it's trigger stacking. I'm like, oh my god, I need help. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. No, you wouldn't send a horse to the corner and tell 'em to figure it out by themselves, would you? No. Depends. You know me, figure it out. Some one of my favorite sayings I know, but there's a time when you gotta help that horse.

Caroline Beste (46m 20s):
Yes. Oh yeah. No, it but getting through the ego, your own ego. Yeah. Of no, I can do this and I'm supposed to do this cuz like I do this for a living for other people and Horses what do you mean I need therapy? And I'm like, you need therapy Caroline cuz you're, you're depressed. I was depressed. I've been fighting depression and I didn't even realize it for off. Well, menopause doesn't help y'all know that. I've been going through hell since for the last four years and I finally went on hormone therapy real quick, not to take up your time onus, but I, I started the process last summer with hormone therapy, which helped tremendously. You guys with menopause, I cannot say enough, but the emotional stuff, I still was finding anxiety and depression.

Caroline Beste (47m 5s):
So I'm like, wait a minute, this is, this is, this is gonna take me out. This is tough.

Jonas F. (47m 12s):
Yeah, no, and that's, it's tough. But you recognize but you recognize that about yourself and you're now doing something about it.

Caroline Beste (47m 20s):
Yes. And you're,

Jonas F. (47m 22s):
You know, making

Caroline Beste (47m 23s):
You too. And

Jonas F. (47m 24s):
You're sharing and you're sharing it, which is huge. Which, you know, what you doing that is probably empowering somebody else that may be gone through something.

Caroline Beste (47m 32s):
Well, thank you. Rahansia came over and y'all have listened to Rahansia. She's a dear friend and a student as well on some of my Podcasts and a hel and when a hell of an energy worker and healer, she came over Monday to do a session with me and we recorded the entire with Lovey. So we have 1 45 minute video on her YouTube channel. I can't get, I can't get 'em off my phone. I need to talk to you techy Jonas later. Okay. I can't, I can't get those damn videos off my phone, but, and onto my desktop so I can upload 'em. So she has one amazing session with Lovey and then she worked on me, you guys for 45 minutes. And so I'm opening that up to everyone.

Caroline Beste (48m 14s):
So talk about being vulnerable, holy shit.

Jonas F. (48m 17s):
Yeah.

Caroline Beste (48m 17s):
Anyway,

Jonas F. (48m 18s):
But that's gonna help you, that's gonna help you heal and grow up too. All of it.

Caroline Beste (48m 22s):
Oh yeah.

Jonas F. (48m 23s):
Yeah. So I think kudos, kudos to you for doing

Caroline Beste (48m 28s):
It. Kudos. So tell us a little bit, my dear before we wrap this up, cuz I know you are really busy and, and you know, barely I've,

Jonas F. (48m 38s):
I've blocked off. I blocked off time cuz I figured go over a little bit. So I'm good.

Caroline Beste (48m 45s):
Okay guys. Well like, what's it feel like now you have this beautiful dream farm and life. Tell us a little bit about what, cuz I know you've explained it to me when I hung out with you guys so freaking beautifully. W and we've all been a part of that journey on your Facebook page when you guys moved in last fall, last September, you're still pinching yourself. Like, this is so surreal. Like, what's it feel like to be in this space that you and your wife have have worked so hard to get and create?

Jonas F. (49m 25s):
What's

Caroline Beste (49m 26s):
That like for you?

Jonas F. (49m 27s):
I mean, it is, I'm, I'm extremely personally for me, I feel I'm very proud of myself. You know, we, we, we stuck to our plan and our vision and executed, you know, I don't wanna say almost flawless, of course there's some hiccups here, there, but pretty much we executed it,

Caroline Beste (49m 56s):
It was pretty smooth.

Jonas F. (49m 58s):
Yeah. Yep. It was pretty smooth. A lot of hard work and but moving, being here and then for Emily super, I mean she, she still is busting her TAO working hard, doing her thing. You know, sometimes I feel bad cuz I'm here most of the time and she still has to commute down. And so it's kind of that, you know, she's out of town this week for our work and I'm here on the farm living life. You know, sometimes I feel bad and, hold on a second, my dogs are being crazy.

Caroline Beste (50m 35s):
Sorry guys. You, they, you have a lot of dogs.

Jonas F. (50m 38s):
Yeah, I got one right here.

Caroline Beste (50m 41s):
I know.

Jonas F. (50m 43s):
He's, he's, he, he will not sit on the ground. He's like, I wanna be held. So sorry, but digressing there. But no, it's just, it, it's an, it's a surreal feeling. It's a proud feeling. Everybody, you know, and I love the space. I love we chose perfectly. I mean, we've looked at, you know, we looked at a place right down the road from you. We, we looked pretty much everywhere in a whirlwind of weekend. And when we felt this place, we knew, like, you just know and we, you know, kind of still pinching ourselves. I mean, six, seven months later we're like, yeah, we're, we're living here. We're doing it. Like, oh, we just incorporated the business.

Jonas F. (51m 24s):
Like, holy crap. It's like things are coming together. And we had our first symposium with you here. It was like, man, like we're just still pushing and driving because we're just driven people. But it's fun and I love it. It's challenging. It's a 180 for what I do professionally for work. So, you know, my mom was, I was, mom's birthday was a couple of days ago and she asked me, he's like, so is it hard for you to like, you know, work and then go do this? And I said, well, you gotta think of, it's a different, it's a different work. I mean, it's with your hands. I'm shoveling horse poop or I'm manure spreading or I'm working on the tractor in the arena, or I'm cutting the yard or working with the Horses.

Jonas F. (52m 5s):
It's, it's a, it's a complete 180 mine

Caroline Beste (52m 8s):
Horse. Swimming in your pool, watching the sunset, having a good cold listeners Sams and your barn and being out with horses with your wife. I mean, it's just to have that balance is important. You know, whatever that is for anyone. Oh yeah. Trying to find balance is

Jonas F. (52m 29s):
Important. We've had that like football season last, like, you know, George, Emily's dad would come and, you know, we'd be in the float. He's having a cigar and watching a football game. I said, and the Horses are behind us and you can hear 'em and you know, it's just like, wait, is this my life right now? Is this seriously? This is,

Caroline Beste (52m 50s):
Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations. It's beautiful.

Jonas F. (52m 54s):
Yeah. And you know, in being able to share it and, and be a place for people within the Method and the TAO and, and even a place for people to come experience it, I think I, I said that's a key catalyst. I mean, you want to talk about conversion into this is people experiencing it and having that opportunity. And so like doing the symposiums and things like that, ex exposing people to the Method I think is key.

Caroline Beste (53m 22s):
It's life changing. It's just life changing.

Jonas F. (53m 25s):
Yeah. I mean,

Caroline Beste (53m 26s):
I mean, I mean Lydia, we're all part of it. And some of the girls that are listening into the podcast, you know, we've got Mette all the way over in, is it Germany or Denmark? You know, we've got Becky down in, in Land Lakes, Florida, you know, you're all students. Amy Amy's a student way out there. Where are you Amy? She's not in, she's like in Montana, Wyoming. She's in Utah. Utah. Utah. Utah. Oh damn. Cool. Yeah. I mean it's, it's life changing.

Jonas F. (53m 58s):
Yeah, it is. It is. And you know, I the work when you are having amora, right? So go go back into the Horses here for a second. But Amora has forced me to be more clear. Right. And more intentional too. And teaching her, you know, in

Caroline Beste (54m 19s):
Your feminine side, your feminine side, in your wife's feminine side. I mean, I know what the mayors do for me. They bring out that, that that female power, that feminine power that when you're driven as a woman and, and you know, especially if you grew up in a military family like I did, and it, you know, it's like I had to scream to get heard. You know, so that that that male energy was so much stronger than my female female energy until till I allowed Sundance to be my spirit guide and teach me about that female energy that, that beautiful love in leadership that I talk so much about. It's not always leadership or it's not always love.

Caroline Beste (54m 60s):
It's like how do we blend the, the two? So they're, they're working together all the time. Love and leadership are working together all the time.

Jonas F. (55m 8s):
Oh yeah. Yeah. And she, you know, she's pushed, I mean, you know, I'm a big cuddle bug, right? So I'm, I'm a big softie, you know, and I'm, you know, to the point where, you know, I, we did the, the when brought up for one of the immersions and, and you're like, you did a great job. Cuz when we got a Moura, she was four years old. Yeah. Four. Yeah, four. And, and she'd been pushed and things and, and just had a lot of, just wasn't able to be a horse. And so building connection, like you can

Caroline Beste (55m 42s):
Go, he was traumatized.

Jonas F. (55m 43s):
She was like, I ain't coming to you, I don't know you. So it was building that trust and that bond over that year and to the point where you're like, okay, now you gotta make her go do work. And I'm like, wait, what? I just, I just want her to be my pastor put, but no, she's like, if you want a rider, you gotta do the ground stuff now. And so start doing groundwork and, and being clear and you know, of course it's a shift for her cuz she's like, wait, you're not just gonna feed and pet.

Caroline Beste (56m 11s):
Well and building that trust. Yeah. It's also de defining and deepening that level of trust for her because she never had a, the groundwork, you know, she was thrown in around pen and run and then, and then then, you know, ridden at the age of two or three, she and no education. So she was fearful of everything. And so you're taking that beautiful bond that I wanted, I'm giving you permission in the work. I'm like, take as much time as you need. Get that bond. Yeah. You know, get that trust so the horse feels safe with you and they can self-regulate their nervous system. But now we need to introduce or reintroduce actual work. And work comes as pressure and pressure is such a negative experience for Horses and pressure's all around us.

Caroline Beste (56m 55s):
It's pressure. Your thoughts are pressure. So changing her experience now to that here's that combination of love and leadership. Like, I still love you. My heart's in it. Amora, I love you. I'm still the same person, but we're taking direction now. There's more partnership required. And, and so working through those dynamics of her trauma is tough. And it, and it traumatized. It triggers us, you know?

Jonas F. (57m 23s):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can wholeheartedly everything you're saying. I'm like, yep, I can. I agree 100%.

Caroline Beste (57m 31s):
Cause then we start to question ourselves. Yeah.

Jonas F. (57m 35s):
Yeah. And she, you know, but it's been good. I mean, it's been good for both of us. And you know, my, I remember one of the times that you came and worked with us and our Horses, I was literally, I was so in, in inside myself and in the energy and, and just, I remember working around Penn with you and you're the only, there was like probably 10, 15 people there looking and around during that session. And I'm working with Amora and I just remember bringing my energy up and then bringing it down and can she regulate and can she, can she feel that? And she's online and we're working together and you're like, okay, now ask for more.

Jonas F. (58m 18s):
Now push. And that's all through all of this is I hear her breathing your voice, her her movement, and that's it. And like literally I'm in the zone. I'm, it's almost like a football reference of like, I'm just so enthralled with what I'm doing that I don't see or hear anything else besides those three things. And

Caroline Beste (58m 38s):
You're in the moment.

Jonas F. (58m 39s):
And, and I remember, like, I brought it up. I brought it down. She was fine. It worked. I was like, holy crap. And I remember afterwards, see, look, you, you got, you did it. You did it. You know, because that was my, the sticking point was how do I ask for more without blowing her at that moment? Or how do I, how do I push enough that it's beneficial? Not I don't regress. Yes. But continue to go forward. And that's what we were working through in that specific session was me learning the mechanics of how to properly do that. And then being able to bring it back down and

Caroline Beste (59m 15s):
The feel and timing of it. It's not just the mechanics. So you have the, and I wanna be clear about that because so much out there is mechanics and we're taking the, the mechanics. It is mechanics. We have skill and technique building. But it's your approach. It's what you personally bring into it. Energetically. Intentionally that feel and timing and then how things can change in a split second, right? The horse can get triggered. We can get triggered, there can be lots of confusion. What do we do in that? How do we find, feel our way through that? And that's so key to being present and, and, and seeing and listening to what the horse needs, which can change in a second.

Caroline Beste (59m 56s):
It can change too. I'm okay with this. You just shifted. I'm not okay with this anymore. And that's the, that's the hardest part for everyone is what do I do? What just happened? You know?

Jonas F. (1h 0m 8s):
Yeah, exactly. And

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 10s):
If we don't address it, or we ignore it, or we listen to the assholes that tell us to just keep pushing, we blow it. Yeah. We blow it.

Jonas F. (1h 0m 20s):
Yeah. No, and I'm, yeah. And I remember afterwards was, I just remember rubbing my hands on my jeans. I'm like, man, my hands are like tingly and warm. And I'm like, what is, what is this? And I told Emily and she goes, that's, that's the energy you like. I'm like, holy crap. And that, I mean, when you experienced that, that's, I mean, to me that I think was a shifting moment of, okay, you know, I'm one. Cuz I'm like, am I just doing this right or am I really, am I doing it right? Right. And I was like, I'm doing it. Right. Right. So it was,

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 53s):
So that's the semantic experience. That's what I talk about in the work that you fully embodied. The presence of the energy, the intention, the action. Yeah. And you put all of that into the experience. Yeah. And it's, and it's a channeling of energy that connects to that horse. And when you're in that zone, they get it and Oh yeah. They, they connect. The closest example visually I can give to anyone is the movie Avatar. The first movie avatar when he would plug in to the horse, the, what was it? The horse's TAO would plug in. Yeah. Into his body. I forget where where he was riding.

Caroline Beste (1h 1m 33s):
Yeah.

Jonas F. (1h 1m 33s):
His TAO. Yeah.

Caroline Beste (1h 1m 35s):
Yeah. Plugging in. And it's an, it's, it's real. And you felt it. And your body told you. And your horse showed you. Yeah. Oh yeah. And that's, that's, so we want that to keep building in the work for all the right reasons cuz it's so full circle. It's, it's, it's it, it's so amazing holistically how touches on all, all these important areas of wellbeing, but that's what's gonna keep us safe when we ride, is that that depth of connection. And that is the secret sauce to the do of horsemanship, Method. And the secret sauce to keep being safe is when we have that deepest of connections with our horse on an emotional, energetic, intentional physical where we both feel it.

Caroline Beste (1h 2m 23s):
And you're, because you're present, you're a hundred percent present. The horse isn't worried about anything else. They're right there with you because they have triggers too. You are right there in the moment. And it gives you the, the ability to make decisions and, and meaning if, if something is scaring my horse so much, but we're in that zone. We both are. We have time to change, we have time to decide what needs to change to make it safer for both of us. And not to mention that, to get to that place, the horse is, you are considered part of their family. Like they'll protect you, fight for you, you lose your balance. They're right. Like, where'd you go?

Caroline Beste (1h 3m 4s):
I got you. I mean, it, it just, it's it is that, it's that real, it's that powerful. Oh yeah. So you, that's what I want you to, you and Emily, you know, you guys are still in your journey in different places with both your Horses, but I can't wait for you to experience that level of being taken care of. Oh yeah,

Jonas F. (1h 3m 23s):
Yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I did get to ride a Dane with, and of course Emily's like safe and of course I'm bareback with a rope halter and I'm like, okay. Oh yeah. Or or bareback pad. And, and yeah, you know, Emily's got 'em online but you know, it was a surreal feeling cuz you know, there was moments where I shifted and he kind of moved with me. He's like, I got you good,

Caroline Beste (1h 3m 45s):
Your balanced. And

Jonas F. (1h 3m 46s):
I'm like, and he goes, oh, he's taking care of you. Everyone's like, oh, he's taking care of you. That's really good. And of course she's nervous anytime I get on a horse and she's like, I don't wanna get too hurt. I'm like, I'm not a fragile frache egg my love, but thank you.

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 4s):
I know still there's really no finding your balance.

Jonas F. (1h 4m 7s):
Yeah, it's finding my balance And you know, she's like, the good part is you just did trail riding, so it's not like you got a whole bunch of bad habits and you can really do well. So, but yeah, no, I'm can't wait to experience it with Amora and continue to grow with her and, you know. Yeah. It's, it's fun. It's fun. It's hard challenging but it's fun when you it

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 29s):
When see it and I look forward to that too. Yeah. Yeah.

Lydia P. (1h 4m 34s):
Something when he was talking about his kind of speed and transition, it's kinda like when your dad's teaching you how to drive a stick shift, you know, and you're grinding between gears and stuff to slow down or speed up, but you finally figure out there's a smooth place between each one. Yes.

Jonas F. (1h 4m 55s):
Yeah. Yes.

Lydia P. (1h 4m 56s):
And there's neutral and all of that. I was like, yes. Oh, that's a good analogy too, because if I would've thought of that while I was learning it, I probably would've done it quicker even, right. Yeah.

Jonas F. (1h 5m 8s):
Well and that's the other part.

Caroline Beste (1h 5m 9s):
I love that analogy.

Jonas F. (1h 5m 11s):
Yeah. And that's the other part of it is, is going slow and like you said, listening to your horse and listening to what they're saying. Cuz there'd be times where I work with 'em more and she's like, you know, this is all I got for you today. And it's like, okay. And I have to respect that. No, then sometimes is it, are you being lazy again, knowing your horse and having that bond and building that relationship? Are you just being lazy today because you want to go eat cubes and not do nothing? Or are you, this is all you got from me today. And, and sometimes you just have to be okay with that too, and, and

Caroline Beste (1h 5m 45s):
Walk. You should, because you guys are still learning. It's not like you're a professional at my level where you can more easily, accurately assess the situation. And that's, yeah, and that's, I can't say no, thank you for, for listening to that and respecting that and going, I that's beautiful. Yeah.

Jonas F. (1h 6m 3s):
Yeah. Well, and, and you have to be, I, I think the tools, the, the, you know, the curriculum, everything you've put together, starting from the spiritual side of it, then to the work and the groundwork and everything. Like you, you found you've built this foundation in this, in this, you know, bible of work here. And it doesn't mean that you don't go back a few pages and go, okay, let me try that again. Or let me see, did this and it, or you know, hey, we did good on, you know, you know that, you know your trot, you know, but can we, can we improve upon it or you know, just the certain things you just go back and reassess yourself.

Jonas F. (1h 6m 46s):
It's a constant back and forth. It's not a linear one direction go. It's, it's very fluid where you have to go back in certain cases to reassess yourself and say, okay, hey, did, are we, are we doing good here? Or calling Caroline going, Hey, I think I'm doing okay. You want to come down for a trip to the farm and check us out and do it one day or two day, you know, class with us and, and you know, get you down here. But, you know, it's, it's, it's fun. It's, you gotta enjoy it. And if, you know, everybody wants the quick, easy, I just wanna be able to throw us out and go ride. Okay, then you're not really gonna ride.

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 26s):
You're very, this is not for you. Yeah. This is not for

Jonas F. (1h 7m 29s):
You. Well, well you're just gonna force a horse to do something maybe it doesn't even wanna do. Yeah, but you

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 33s):
Don't. Well, yeah. I mean, eventually, eventually we'll get to that place where we can just get on bareback and our halter. That's what the whole program is leading you to, but Yeah, but I want, I want it done right by the horse. I want the horse's permission and I want, I want their consent and permission.

Jonas F. (1h 7m 50s):
Or, or you can, yeah, like with Emily where she's at with a dane, it's raining out and she's bareback rope halter, you know, no sandals on bare, bare feet jumping on her horse riding around in the, you know, that's

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 5s):
Love it.

Jonas F. (1h 8m 6s):
That's, that's, I always go back to that like, there's true connection there because it's pouring buckets and Emily's on top of her horse and he's

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 16s):
Just

Jonas F. (1h 8m 16s):
Moping around doing his thing with her and they're just having a ball and he's, you know, doing his little flocky ear dance and he's just having fun and it was just,

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 25s):
Oh, you know?

Jonas F. (1h 8m 26s):
Yeah. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing to observe and see and, and be a part of, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 32s):
Well thank you. Yeah. It is beautiful. Well, I'm gonna have to wrap this up cuz I do have a busy day. Okay. Yeah. Life, life is not, not my own since my mother has moved here. So she, yeah, no, she was in the, she just had surgery yesterday so I was texting. Oh wow. Emily about it. Yeah. She's was admitted to the ER again for falling for the first time and now, you know, once your parent falls it's, it's over you guys. So we gotta rethink some things around here. But my life is not my own with all the calls and people, I just, yeah. You know, I gotta go.

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 15s):
Well it's really hard.

Jonas F. (1h 9m 17s):
Yeah. Well just know that we're here if you need anything and you need us to bring dinner one night cause you guys are just exhausted, let us know. We'll come.

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 24s):
Oh, we're so exhaust. Welcome to our valentine's. I said, I said to my brothers, they were bragging about, you know, they and their wives, my sister-in-laws, you know this. And I'm like, well we're in the hospital, we're gonna run out and get a bite to eat and this is our five times. I'm like

Jonas F. (1h 9m 42s):
Yeah. And then you go back to

Lydia P. (1h 9m 43s):
That's what they call true love. That's true love.

Jonas F. (1h 9m 46s):
Yeah, true love. Then you go back to your brothers. Well

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 49s):
This

Jonas F. (1h 9m 49s):
Is, I'm cashing in my chips now. It's my turn.

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 52s):
No, I, no, we've already had that conversation. They're like, it's your turn now. And I'm like, Kurt and I are like, but this is, she's in such a but she's so much worse than when she was with you. Yeah. But you know, this is the third holiday this year. She, she was in the hospital before Christmas cuz she came to me in December, then she's in rehab over New Years and now this. So I'm like, God, love. Right. Yeah. Say your prayers for her.

Jonas F. (1h 10m 22s):
I'll, I'll

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 23s):
Thank you. Thank you.

Jonas F. (1h 10m 25s):
If you guys need,

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 29s):
Thank you you guys. Thanks everybody. I don't have anything else. We have a, a private, I mean a intuitive workshop here next week. So we've got a couple of some current students and some newbies come in. So we won't be doing any podcast next week. And then I'm not sure we've got someone coming, some neat holistic vets Lydia in March, I can't remember.

Lydia P. (1h 10m 57s):
Yeah. He studies mushroom and healing and stuff.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 1s):
Mushrooming for Horses. Psychedelic. No, I dunno.

Lydia P. (1h 11m 6s):
Well we dunno, we dunno, dunno. Take tune. We might all be on mushrooms for

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 13s):
It. It, I might need them by then. Are you kidding? I'm good right now. It does help you look things different. Oh, I tell you. But yeah, but I, I plan on doing, you know, one of my own Podcasts so we'll see what comes up in, in March and thank you Jonas. Enjoy the rest of your day. Love. Are we having a today? Are we having a q and a at the end of the month or not? Thank you. No, real quick. I've, I've changed that. Someone else was asking me about that. I've added that to the video library. So I'm changing some things up slowly when I, when my mother God lover isn't interrupting me with all these hospital visits.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 57s):
So I'm not doing that for free anymore. I wanna pull, push that over to the, the library. Perfect. And mostly, yeah, in hopes we get some more serious students like that, you know, I don't mean to say it like that, but just get more students interested in, you know, q and a. We don't really have that many. I think it's a nice thing that's left up on the, the Facebook page and they come back to it, but I wish we'd have more engagement during the process, so, so no, we're not doing that anymore. And there'll be some new changes. I'm still working on my clinic schedule.

Caroline Beste (1h 12m 37s):
I I'm getting a lot, you know, people coming here and me traveling, but I need to, I need to do that. So look forward to something coming out hopefully soon on clinics and there's just gonna be one. So that whole format's changed. Yeah, it's just one, it's pretty, I'm pretty excited. Pretty excited. Okay. And it'll all be this work. It's there. It'll be the do Horsemanship clinic and so it's, yeah, I'm just need to get that, get it worded the way I want so it explains things more. But it, but I think it's time. A lot of people seem very in. Yeah. We look forward to you.

Caroline Beste (1h 13m 17s):
Yeah. Thank Yeah, thank you. So Alright guys. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you Lydia. I'll catch up with you. Lydia. Catch up with you hon. All right, love you guys. Love you guys. Bye. Thank you Yodas. Bye everybody. God bless. Okay, bye.