Closing the gap between Spirituality and Science

This podcast is dedicated to learning how to use your intuition to connect to, and make sense of, spirituality and science. My co-host Lydia is our guest speaker.

She’s been reading, listening, and experiencing a lot of really cool stuff lately that has inspired, and stimulated, her intuition. I’m so excited she will be sharing her experiences with all of us! 

Some of our discussion will include:

-          Consciousness

-          Overpowering Connectedness

-          Transcending

-          Clairvoyance

-          Stewardship

-          Permanence vs Impermanence

"I want to share this quote that I have utilized through out my gardening career. It is the key to what I've discovered over a lifetime of listening to plants and animals. They have helped me find the truth in understanding the connectedness between all things... 

"Rudolf Steiner presents a notion of science that says we can know things that go beyond what we can weight, measure, and calculate. Science is the practice of observing phenomena and relating them in a way that correctly represents the phenomena’s reality. Agricultural judgments about health, what to do where, and when to do what, best succeed when we begin to rely on a certain wisdom gained through observation and experience and when we perceive consciously and concretely the phenomena that induce life itself.

 "Spirituality is just science we don’t understand yet." Lydia

Transcript

Caroline Beste (1m 4s):
You are listening to Everything, Horses & More! Podcast with me, your host, Caroline Beste. I'm the founder of my Tao of Horsemanship method, a pioneer in horse training and development, and a true advocate of the horse. I. bring an intuitive and educated eye along with an experienced and intelligent perspective to understanding both horse and human nature and behavior. My experience in skill sets are the cornerstone to my worldwide success in training methodology. My experience with horses as intelligent sentient beings is what inspired me to create my highly acclaimed and proven training method.

Caroline Beste (1m 45s):
consensual partnership training for Horses and humans. A model I pioneered in 2008. Consensual Partnership Training provides a comprehensive and impressive curriculum teaching horse owners how to fully develop their horses using a holistic, empathetic, and natural process. My training system teaches you how to achieve true partnership with horses and without the use of pain, excessive pressure, dominance, force or coercion, In Addition to being a world class trainer for both Horses and people. I'm an artist, author, entrepreneur, Speaker radio show host, licensed working equitation trainer and riding foundation specialist I offer one of the largest and most comprehensive online educational platforms, the do of horsemanship, where I host a variety of courses produced and personally taught by me and my amazing school masters.

Caroline Beste (2m 35s):
in addition to sharing what I know in my in person training and online courses, I invite special guests and students each month to my radio show, Everything, Horses, and more podcast. This platform allows us to engage with all of you and share our very personal and transformational journey with horses. I invite you to listen in and hope you find something that helps inspire you to reach your personal goals and aspirations with your horse. Thank you. And may you always be one with horses.

Caroline Beste (3m 26s):
Welcome back everyone to Everything Horses & More! Podcast with me, your host, Caroline Beste founder of the Tao of Horsemanship and my lovely, beautiful co-host, Lydia. Yay. Oh, we have a very Yes. Exciting podcast today. So today we're gonna be talking about Closing, the gap between Spirituality and Science and the, the promotion that I put out about this podcast. I'm just gonna read it. For those of you on YouTube or listeners later that are not part of our subscriber list, you'll know what this is about.

Caroline Beste (4m 7s):
And so, Closing, the gap between Spirituality and Science This podcast is dedicated to learning how to use your intuition to connect to and make sense of, if we can, spirituality and science. And Lydia's gonna definitely be diving in deep about this subject. We both will be, but this is really Lydia's, what do I wanna say? Your, your topic of interest. It's mine too. It's been like journey. It's been a journey, yes. Yes, it is a journey. I mean, I, it's definitely been mine since high school. This is part of the, the deep reading and thinking and pondering.

Caroline Beste (4m 47s):
So we're gonna be talking, especially Lydia about all of this. It's come to fruition recently because you've done a lot of recent listening and watching and reading. So it's, it's kind of like you're revisiting this and it's, it's, it's just been so inspirational. And then you've told me just a little bit about it. And then you sent a bunch of great links that I didn't have an, didn't have a chance to look at all of those from P b s, but yeah, I'll, you've included them and you know, I'll include them in this on YouTube when we're done too. And then in the podcast recording, so people can click there. But we are going to be, there's several topics of discussion today that we're gonna be focusing on.

Caroline Beste (5m 32s):
And then Lydia's got a great story or two. So we're gonna be talking about Consciousness, Overpowering, Connectedness, Transcending, Clairvoyance, Stewardship, Permanence versus Impermanence. And I put in their nervous system and self-regulation. And so all these things connect and we're gonna talk about how they connect to both spirituality and science. And for me, the, the big topic of science is making this tangible, if it's even possible. It's like when I developed my method of horsemanship, it began with the Spirituality discovering the Spirituality of horsemanship.

Caroline Beste (6m 17s):
And, you know, that's my number one course and foundation to my work is, is to me, the whole experience and journey of horsemanship for me and those that are interested in to learn this, my students is a spiritual experience. It's not just a mechanical or technical, which is science and the biomechanics, and of course the nervous system. All of this stuff is so integral and important, but it's, it's the feeling. It's the feeling that, that we, that permeates that that happens during this process that makes the learning the experience so powerful.

Caroline Beste (7m 1s):
And so, I mean, it's like every, like you'll say, the molecule, every fiber in our body, you know, just resonates with this, this feeling. And, and that's what we're gonna be talking about. That part of the Spirituality of it all. Lydia wrote earlier or last week about she added to the post that was promoting this podcast. And I'm gonna share what you wrote. Lydia wrote, I want to share this quote that I've utilized throughout my gardening career. It is the key to what I, ve discovered over a lifetime of listening to plants and animals. They have helped me find the truth in understanding the connectedness Connectedness between all things.

Caroline Beste (7m 44s):
Rudolf Steiner presents a notion of science that says we can know things that go beyond what we can weight, measure and calculate. Science is the practice of observing phenomena in relating that phenomena in a way that correctly represents the phenomena reality, Agricultural judgments about health, what to do, where, and when to do what best succeed. when we begin to rely on a certain wisdom gained through observation and experience. and when we perceive consciously and concretely the phenomena that induce life itself, that is powerful.

Caroline Beste (8m 28s):
And then you wrote, Spirituality is just science we don't understand yet. And Lydia wrote that. Yeah. This is so profound and, and deeply thought-provoking, to say the least. So before, I'm gonna let want

Lydia P. (8m 44s):
To, I want, go ahead and I want to mention that that wisdom goes back millions of years, not just this life.

Caroline Beste (8m 54s):
Yes.

Lydia P. (8m 55s):
Cellular on a atom level. That knowledge goes way back if you know how to find it.

Caroline Beste (9m 3s):
Yes, yes. Very good point. Thank you.

Lydia P. (9m 7s):
That's what intuition is all about, is finding it.

Caroline Beste (9m 11s):
Yes. It's like a, the tu what is tuition? It's like a tuning fork. It's a barometer. It's how it resonates. It's what guides us. If we listen to it and asks questions, intuition makes us probe and ask questions even. Yeah, definitely. Even, even when that's what

Lydia P. (9m 28s):
Sounds great

Caroline Beste (9m 29s):
About something else.

Lydia P. (9m 31s):
That's what's so great about the Tao of Horsemanship is we are taught in the very beginning to quiet our mind and to get to a different place. Yes. That we haven't been. To settle

Caroline Beste (9m 43s):
Intuition. Yes.

Lydia P. (9m 45s):
To find our Yes.

Caroline Beste (9m 49s):
That it is, it is. Thank you for that. It's a horse. It

Lydia P. (9m 53s):
Gets us there to that authentic place. Yeah. Yes,

Caroline Beste (9m 57s):
Yes. The horse is a beautiful guide to intuition and oh my gosh. And authenticity. Before I'm gonna hand this over to you, as I always do, when we have a lot of big words and, and big thoughts, I'm going to bring up those talking points and the definition of each just so that we're all on the same page. Because often we have different perceptions and understandings of what words mean, even language. And I wanna make sure this is a really deep subject matter that we're all on the same page. So the talking points, the first one is Consciousness, and basically the definition of Consciousness.

Caroline Beste (10m 37s):
Cuz we're gonna be talking, Lydia's gonna be taking over in a little bit about all this. Consciousness at its simplest is sentient and awareness, sentience and awareness of internal and external existence. Sentient is the capacity to experience feelings and sensations. And we're always talking about it in my work with horses and my, my courses, my students, you know, we believe our community, we believe Horses, you know, animals, plants, they're sentient beams, bees, everything has a level of sentient.

Caroline Beste (11m 19s):
So there are three, there's many stages of Consciousness, many different levels. I'm just gonna read to you what I relate to personally. This has been my journey as well, my entire life. And so the three levels of Consciousness, we can view Consciousness in these distinct levels. The conscious, the subconscious, or pre-conscious and the unconscious. And I think through psychology, we all have heard that before you're either consciously aware, subconsciously or unconscious about why you do what you do, our behaviors, what motivates us. So there's a level of Consciousness about it.

Caroline Beste (12m 1s):
There's a subconscious motive, motivation, and there's a, there's an unconscious. There's also different stages of Consciousness. There's basic, believe it or not, there's enlightened and there's seven stages of basic Consciousness. And this is kind of instinctual. That's what it means by basic needs. And we have survival Consciousness, we have relationship, self-esteem, transformation, internal cohesion, making a difference, service and full spectrum. And then we have enlightened. And the first one would be self-esteem. Consciousness.

Caroline Beste (12m 42s):
We also have self-awareness, self-assurance, self-belief, self-value, self-image, leadership, self mission, self vision, self-actualization. So let's get to the word Overpowering. Connectedness social connection improves physical health and mental and emotional wellbeing. So look what happened during covid. Look at the disaster with the depression and suicides and drug abuse homelessness. Look what our lack of social connection created during the pandemic.

Caroline Beste (13m 23s):
And it, it, it absolutely angers me and horrified me and saddens me all at the same time. That our leaders in our world, our leading professionals, did not talk about this. What we're talking about right now, because, excuse me. Because without social connection, we start to die emotionally, mentally, and physically. Our health declines. So people who feel more connected to others have lower levels of anxiety and depression. Moreover, studies show they also have higher self-esteem, greater empathy are more trusting and cooperative.

Caroline Beste (14m 7s):
And as a consequence, others are more open to trusting and cooperating with them. Trust. Wow. In other words, social Connectedness generates a positive feedback loop of social, emotional and physical wellbeing. And so that's Connectedness. Now what about Overpowering? Overpowering means extremely strong or intense, overwhelming. And Lydia, you're gonna be able to dive in more. These are your key words. So I'm just giving people a general understanding and definition of them. But then the whole context of how what you were reading and learning and, and and experiencing in this will be amazing. How about the word Transcending?

Caroline Beste (14m 48s):
This is one of my favorite words, transcendental or Transcending. So to rise or go beyond the limits of many achieve self-transcendence through their faith in God, while others may achieve it through recognition of some system of Spirituality or idea of the soul. This faith or Spirituality can help individuals find the meaning that will fulfill them and propel them to transcendence. So what is transcendence existence or experience beyond the normal or physical level? To me, it is a feeling. That's my personal experience and it's a feeling that overcomes me.

Caroline Beste (15m 29s):
And the best way I can describe it, and I do this in a lot of my, my work with horses and my videos is, I, it's, I call it an endorphin high that is related to the zone for professional athletes or the runners high. You literally, for me, I, I I, my, my seventh chakra is buzzing when I feel like I'm Transcending or going somewhere outside of my body and my senses heightened to their fullest. And often in about 99% of the videos that I, that I am filming that you guys see on YouTube or in my courses, I'm in that place.

Caroline Beste (16m 9s):
Like I'll start out by reading. So I keep to the monologue and I don't ramble. So I'll have a short little monologue that I'll read, but then I go somewhere else and, and, and it's, and I feel so light and tingly and I'm buzzing like the, the frequency. My seventh chakra is just, and you'll notice the Horses and how they respond to it. They go to sleep. You'll see so many of them just completely zonk out because I am so grounded. Yet the vibration of, I believe it's my soul, the vibration of my soul connecting to every, here's the Connectedness interconnectedness to everything around me.

Caroline Beste (16m 55s):
Every my entire chakra system is open. And so I, the best thing I can say is, is you just look at the Horses cuz they're always asleep. They just hit that zone and go. Or they wanna come in closer and be a part of that. And that's also what I teach in my work. So transcend transcendence, the possibility of spiritual transcendence in the modern world. It means going beyond a limit or surpassing a boundary. Eminence means remaining within or existing within the confines of a limit. The divine is said to transcend humanity. Boy, all of these we could dive in deep.

Caroline Beste (17m 35s):
What does it mean of transcendence and philosophy? Philosophical definitions of transcendence often emphasize the idea of going beyond or exceeding the limits of human experience and may focus on concepts such as rationality, Consciousness, or the nature of reality. So I'm not gonna get into some of the stuff I picked up, transcend the new science of self-actualization, Maslow's famous hierarchy of needs. Then we've got psychologist Scott Kaufman, who discovered Maslow. It's just really cool about going beyond our basic instincts. Now we get to Clairvoyance. So the word Claire, anytime you hear clairvoyant, it means clarity.

Caroline Beste (18m 23s):
Clair sentient it. So Claire, Claire means clarity to be clear. So just remember that. And it is an intuition. So Clairvoyance clair, sentient, there's a bunch of 'em. And they all, they're all related to fine tuning your intuition and using that as your, as I call it a tuning fork. Your guide, your information highway. So it's not thinking it's what you feel. And I, for all of us that have followed our intuition, it's always correct, isn't it? It's when we don't follow our intuition that we just are like, oh, why didn't I trust myself?

Caroline Beste (19m 5s):
Why didn't I listen to myself? So Clairvoyance is the ability to perceive things or events in the future and beyond normal sensory contact, the ability to gain information about an object person, location, or physical event through extra sensory perception. How many of you, like I love watching Dateline forensic files when I can't sleep at night. I've been watching this stuff for 30 years. You know, you name it. Often cops, you know, detectives, they will hire a, a clairvoyant to help them tune in to a crime scene in hopes that they can, you know, look in the past or look in the future to find the per the perpetrator.

Caroline Beste (19m 52s):
You know, that, that they, that they think pretty cool. Now, Claire Sentient is a psychic ability for a person to acquire knowledge by means of feeling. I am, I am definitely claris sentient. It's a gift and a curse. And so this is the physical ability and, and that's for you to tune in and acquire knowledge by means of how it feels resonates within your body. So basically, Claire Sentient are aware of a stream of energetic vibrations through their own bodies and emotions. It's a clear feeling that's what it means. And it's perhaps the most down to earth of all intuitive gifts. People who experience cla sentient are affected by a myriad of different influences.

Caroline Beste (20m 33s):
But it all comes down to being sensitive to changes in energy. And look at the work that I do. It's all about energy, isn't it, you guys? So if you are a claris sentient, you're capable to experience and feel both inner and outer energy in a more intuitive way. And I think a lot of people are claris sentient, don't you, Lydia? How many of us say we're EMPAs, were empass.

Lydia P. (20m 53s):
Well, none of these skills are unique to any human being. Everybody can do them, correct?

Caroline Beste (20m 58s):
Everybody. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. But so often

Lydia P. (21m 3s):
It's called three deep breaths in a slide.

Caroline Beste (21m 7s):
Yeah, it's,

Lydia P. (21m 8s):
Yes, it's 3d. No, no, no. A slide.

Caroline Beste (21m 12s):
No, I'm not laughing at that. I'm, I just, it, but it in My experience with dealing, when we start talking about this stuff, it it, it validates and gives our audience permission to, to, to own it. Because science, even science and society, we, we steer away from these words. You know, they're too esoteric, they're too woowoo yet yes, we were all born with, with a hundred percent of our intuition. Absolutely. But we keep losing it. The more we develop technology and our brains and everything, we keep losing our ability to hone into those intuitive gifts.

Lydia P. (21m 51s):
The minute we're taught to start to look at words and form opinions is when we lose it.

Caroline Beste (21m 57s):
That's a great point. That's a perfect point. Thank you for that. Yes. All right. Stewardship our next word. I love this word Stewardship. The conducting, supervising or managing of something, especially the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care, like our Horses

Lydia P. (22m 20s):
Land,

Caroline Beste (22m 21s):
Our body. This, this

Lydia P. (22m 24s):
Body I got to live in.

Caroline Beste (22m 26s):
Yes, yes. This house

Lydia P. (22m 29s):
Life is 98% maintenance. I'm sorry for that fact.

Caroline Beste (22m 33s):
But we keep aging every day. We're aging every day. We're breaking down and dying. That's a fact. This is

Lydia P. (22m 41s):
98% maintenance period.

Caroline Beste (22m 43s):
Absolutely. Beautifully put. Okay, Permanence and Impermanence. What do you mean by that? So Buddhism views Impermanence Anika or an an, I never say this right? Anaya Naia naia. I'll just go back again. Buddhism views Impermanence as one of their essential doctrines that poses everything changes and nothing lasts forever. I love that. That is such a surrender. Isn't that so hard for our egos? Everything changes and nothing lasts forever.

Lydia P. (23m 26s):
Well, everything from mama the Dali Lama thinks that Consciousness has no beginning and no end. Yes. And the but the body, the material has a beginning and an end.

Caroline Beste (23m 37s):
Yes, absolutely. Beautifully. Thank you. Yep. Everything from our emotions to our thoughts and feelings from the cells in our bodies to the plants around us is changing in decaying continuously. Yes. The do Yes.

Lydia P. (23m 50s):
Sending into something else.

Caroline Beste (23m 53s):
Yes. Yes.

Lydia P. (23m 55s):
Unless preserved in perpetuity, then I, yeah, I question that idea.

Caroline Beste (24m 3s):
I love it. All right. So Permanence means staying the same or continuing for a long time. Permanent. A loving family environment gives children that sense of stability and Permanence, which they need. That's an example. So people who lack emotional Permanence struggle with emotional regulation. So, and, and that's key because those are just, that's learned coping mechanisms. And so many of us, we all come from some level of dysfunction in our families. So if you didn't come from a very stable environment growing up, you're going to struggle with emotional agility, self-regulation, feeling Permanence, feeling safe.

Caroline Beste (24m 44s):
Most of us do especially yes. Especially if you come from alcoholic family or a family that had alcoholism. You're going to transfer those behaviors down. Even if the family doesn't drink anymore, you still have those learned behaviors. It's sad. It's such a cycle. If

Lydia P. (24m 59s):
You are, if you are raising a family in the me in the time of social media and trying to figure out any sort of truth, this is for you your own truth, not the truth of what somebody else said.

Caroline Beste (25m 17s):
Yeah. Well, and also getting back to Connectedness, I mean, we, our children are spend way too much time on social media and it's destroying down

Lydia P. (25m 27s):
Everything. We have so much

Caroline Beste (25m 28s):
We have.

Lydia P. (25m 29s):
Yeah. You and I were talking at the beginning, before we started laying on our backs and looking at the stars and me feeling like when I was a kid I wanted to go home to the stars. Yeah. And that feeling of being lost here on this planet. And now there's so much light, we cannot even see the stars from our backyards.

Caroline Beste (25m 50s):
Yeah.

Lydia P. (25m 51s):
We can see a couple of them. We can see the big ones. Yeah. We can see the little teeny tiny ones. Unless we go up to the mountains where it's dark or whatever. When you leave this planet far enough away, it's pretty lit up by us now. Yes. But we're also a part of it. We're part of it. Yes. Yeah. We are part of nature. We are not separate from nature.

Caroline Beste (26m 14s):
No. And, and our conversation about looking up at the stars, I think we can, we've all done that as children. You know, what did, what's your takeaway? What did you feel? You know, Lydia felt like she belonged in the stars. Whether, and we were talking about this, whether, you know, you believe you're an alien or a star seed, you know, there's this whole other dimension, you know, we can get into 3, 4, 5 dimensional beingness. You know, why is it for any of us that we can be somewhere, look at something and it can be anything from a person to a place and feel a Connectedness like we've been there before, or we know that person, or this feels at home to us if we

Lydia P. (26m 58s):
Are that connected.

Caroline Beste (26m 60s):
Yeah, yeah. What is that connect to? If we're,

Lydia P. (27m 2s):
If we are that connected, we should be able to tap into how it feels to be an aunt. Because we are no different. How we are organized as a species. They build their, you know, there's these huge communities. And I remember being 11 years old on my way to my first day of junior high school. And I, I was with a guy and he kicked an anthill. And I looked at him and I said, you just kicked Beijing. You know, like, why did you do that?

Caroline Beste (27m 37s):
They're

Lydia P. (27m 38s):
Organized, they're working, they're not bothering you. And you just kicked a whole city. And he looked at me like I was from Mars, because I am, maybe, I know, I dunno. But I thought differently as a kid, I was dyslexic. I could not understand the words and the orders that they were in. So everything I learned was from observation and experience. And so I questioned everything. Like my father was a lawyer and the first time I read an encyclopedia, I said, why should I believe this? Who is this person that wrote this? I don't know them. And he said, well, you would start to compare resources.

Lydia P. (28m 19s):
And that meant not just book resources, that meant asking people,

Caroline Beste (28m 24s):
Questions, experiences,

Lydia P. (28m 25s):
Questioning everything. So question everything you guys, because now we're finding out things that we didn't know are truth today. And they were imagined not real then they were theoretical physicists. And then the machine got built. And then there's the proof of what the physicists, the theoretical physicists thought. And it's like a, it's fascinating. Yes. Like what our brain, how come our brains can even go there, right.

Caroline Beste (29m 1s):
That is

Lydia P. (29m 3s):
Can go there. It's somebody's imagination and intuition that wants to follow something interesting. And then there's another person following something interesting. And pretty soon that gets connected and a quirk is discovered, or yeah, another particle is discovered. I don't know. Yes. Another universe is discovered, another galaxy is discovered. I don't know, it's just,

Caroline Beste (29m 29s):
I think imagination what you're talking about, what we're talking about. The little bit of the one video that I was able to watch from the p b s special that you were, that you sent the links to. And I'll include all of this you guys on YouTube when I write it. Yeah. And in the, in the podcast recording. But I believe that that scientist who was doing like a documentary, you know, he is spiritual you. The minute we start to think outside the box, and we think in a way that connects us to how we feel about that experience, to me is Spirituality. You can take it as far and as deep as you wanna go.

Caroline Beste (30m 11s):
But the minute we start allowing, I mean just connect, we're just connecting. You can be a scientist and you can be spiritual at the same time. And, and, and you can, you can look for the, the reasoning behind everything and the logistics so to speak, and how things measure up. But also when you start talking about how you feel about doing that or, or, or exploring that or figuring that out as a scientist. And this guy did it beautifully with a beautiful smile on his face. To me, he's in a spiritual experience. Yes. When you can transcend and take it beyond the practical, beyond what's logical, what quote unquote is logical beyond say, that's beyond what you can see, define, and measure and qualify.

Caroline Beste (31m 4s):
Yep. There you go. There you go. That's, that's it. That's that says it right there. Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. So real quick, I'm so exciting. I'm gonna talk about Impermanence cuz we talked about what's Permanence. Impermanence means the fact or quality of being temporary or short-lived the novel poignantly explores the Impermanence of childhood, the ebb and flow of memories and experiences that make up our disappearing past. That's an example. I'm almost done duality. The quality or con I love duality. The quality or condition of being dual. The novel's deep duality about human motive.

Caroline Beste (31m 45s):
An instance of opposition or contrast between two concepts. So it's kinda like the yin and the yang, you know, it, it's the, the opposition or contrast between two concepts or two aspects of something. Dualism, I love this word. The photographs capitalized on the dualities of light and dark stillness and movement. So here we have the ying and the yang sign. So duality in life is everywhere. It teaches us that every aspect of life is created from a balanced interaction of opposite and competing forces. Yet these forces are not just opposites, they're complimentary. They do not counsel, cancel out each other. They merely balance each other like the dual wings of a bird.

Caroline Beste (32m 28s):
You know, the wing can be doing something a little bit different than the other side to keep the bird in flight. Imbalanced. I love that duality. That was a big focus for me as an artist in my artwork. And I'm done. Those are the, oh no, I'm not, I don't think I duality. Yep. Nervous system and self-regulation. Yep. I'm done though. We are good my dear. Take over. Now that I,

Lydia P. (32m 57s):
I'm good. I'm, I kind of chimed in on a few of 'em. Yes. But I do have a few things to add. So yes, I believe Consciousness that awareness of internal and external in existence. But I also believe, like I am consciously sitting on a chair and if I become so aware of the chair I'm sitting on and I, I basically painted this chair. It was a chunk of wood when I got it, but somebody else built it. But I know that it came from a poplar farm and I knew that it took so long to grow it, for me to get it to a piece of wood, to be a piece of chair.

Lydia P. (33m 43s):
And I can follow it all the way back and I can become a part of the chair. Right. Like molecularly, I can find enough similar about myself that I can become one with the chair or one with a coffee cup that I'm drinking out of because of where it came from. Molecularly maybe. And that is kinda like what I was talking about how, like to me, there's two the, well, not to me to everybody. There's two parts of the brain. There's the reflecting side of the brain and the problem side, problem solving side of the brain. And I'm not sure if I'm waving at the right sides right now. You should. That's

Caroline Beste (34m 22s):
Ok. The left is the problem solving the analytical, you're in the right side would be the Yeah.

Lydia P. (34m 27s):
Yeah.

Caroline Beste (34m 29s):
Experiencing.

Lydia P. (34m 30s):
Exactly. So for, for us, I think there's this beautiful connection that we get to live in here that helps us transcend information. Right? Like Transcending fear to curiosity, which is something that we do in the horse world a lot, especially in your method. We are constant

Caroline Beste (34m 58s):
Trying

Lydia P. (34m 58s):
To think out of the box to transcend the horse and ourselves from fear into curiosity so that we can have a different experience with our horse. And then we become clairvoyant. We get clear about it, you know, because we surpassed a boundary. We walked through something, we faced it, we faced everything. Yes. And we walked through it. And then in that clairvoyant moment, we get to rest because our brain is quiet.

Caroline Beste (35m 31s):
Yeah.

Lydia P. (35m 32s):
Right. We have clarity. And so for me it's like Clairvoyance is leaving the shoulda, woulda and couldas you're done with them. Right. No more woulda, shoulda, coulda. So you're living in the present moment. And then I told you Stewardship is 98% maintenance. And that is, to me, that is having respect for everything. Yes. Like including a goat head. Like goat heads came from somewhere and I hate 'em in my bike tires and I hate 'em in my pasture, but they come from somewhere. Right. And I have respect for that, but I also can manage my life so they're not in it.

Caroline Beste (36m 17s):
Yes. Good point. Good point.

Lydia P. (36m 19s):
Very good point. My neighbor's life. So they're not in it because they're coming from my neighbor, you know, that this is the kind of thing. And so like for me, the whole thing about the, the searching for the quest for me in life, it was this experience he was talking about. The Dalai Lama talked about it too. And he said, Consciousness says no beginning and no end. So if that's the case, then Permanence and Impermanence looks different to me. So to me there is no Impermanence. If my Consciousness lives on. And that has been my conflict through my whole life, is science and scientists, which I love.

Lydia P. (37m 3s):
And I, I am one, have been telling me that there is nothing after the material world. It's done Now science is proving that we are breakdown so small that we can't be done until we get so small that we're into nothingness. And then what's there? We don't know. Cuz we can't measure it yet, yet just because we can't measure it yet. So for me, I've always, you know, I've always heard the dead. I don't see the dead. I hear the dead and they come in with a spark of light. It's like a burst. And they're gone. And I don't know where they live and I don't know where they are when they come to see me.

Lydia P. (37m 47s):
But I know that there's something conscious there or wouldn't be visiting me to talk to us. You know, like I wouldn't, it wouldn't happen when I'm sitting with a friend who can't hear the person that they love, who died and that person visits me to say, I'm still here. You're okay. Or whatever. I don't know what they're gonna say. Usually really short, silly sentences. And so when the scientists were telling me the two can't exist, I was like, I, I just can't agree with you. You can't hear the dead and say there's nothing out there past this.

Caroline Beste (38m 26s):
And I'm gonna interject something for anyone out there that, that is, doesn't believe in the ability to be telepathic or communicate with the dead or animals or be a medium or whatever you wanna call it. If you ex, there's a lot of us that have experienced these moments, whether we've hired someone to help us communicate with the dead or hear or communicate with our animals. But we all, like Lydia said, we're all intuitive. We all have the ability to hone in the skill and, and experience it for ourselves, not through someone else that we hire, but for through ourselves.

Caroline Beste (39m 10s):
And I think the first, for me as a teacher of this, of learning how to hone in on this skill, teaching it, it it, the first skill is believing and allowing yourself to think about this, to transcend as a level of Consciousness as well as tune in through your sensory. You know, there's a lot of factors, but it is possible for anybody that's on the fence. Like, wow, I'd love to learn how to do this, but how do you do this? What do you mean you've heard someone from the the dead talk to you. It's just, it's possible. And, but you've gotta you've gotta allow it to happen as well as not, not be as intellectual, not be as cognitive, but you know, the intuitive comes through your sensory awareness and processing, tuning in through your senses and your, it's a somatic experience.

Caroline Beste (40m 3s):
So we're, that's where we're headed with all of this. What do you feel and how do you become Clara? Clara, whatever, Clara Voyant. Clara, Clara sentient, you know, you get quiet, you get clear. And, and those, those are some of the steps. So

Lydia P. (40m 18s):
Critical. And the nature and the nature will always reveal more to you when you're in

Caroline Beste (40m 24s):
Nature will always yes, always, always, always, always. Nature

Lydia P. (40m 29s):
Never lies. Nature never lies. Humans lie. But nature never lies.

Caroline Beste (40m 35s):
You know? And, and I don't expect any, I don't, it doesn't matter if anyone believes me or not, but I can remember so many instances in my life, especially with my late horse brandy, where I spent so much time as a child and a teenager riding him, you know, spending the whole day riding and exploring and, and we'd graze, we'd swim, I'd pack a lunch and you know, for me it was laying in a hayfield and listening to the wind as it moved through the tall grass. You know, just the whistling noise that you'll hear and the, and the blades of the grass as they're, or corn stalks, you know, whatever it is.

Caroline Beste (41m 17s):
Just tuning in and listening and smelling and feeling the sun or the cold or the raindrops. And that's all an opportunity as Lydia's saying, to not just connect with everything around us, but to hear everything around us. Everything has a voice. How many of us believe trees speak all the time? You know that when there's a drought, that the deep, the, the deeper the roots are of a tree, that a tree will reach out to another tree, or the tree that's suffering from the drought to give it to nourishment. Isn't that amazing?

Lydia P. (41m 53s):
They share nutrients.

Caroline Beste (41m 56s):
They, they share that one of the display,

Lydia P. (41m 59s):
One of the top scientist physicists on that PBS series said this through us nature has self-awareness. We are looking at nature from the inside, not the outside. When we take time, we can reconnect to our ancestors self in all forms and the long chain of lives stretching back to an unscathed land.

Caroline Beste (42m 24s):
Hmm.

Lydia P. (42m 25s):
That's kind of cool. Wow.

Caroline Beste (42m 26s):
That is real. See there's, there's a Spirituality that's spiritual. That's beautiful.

Lydia P. (42m 33s):
Here's another scientist saying this. Each of us, a special arrangement of atoms and molecules, that life in any form is rare. One grain of sand in the Gobi desert is a living bean that is us and the universe that is the earth. We are 1000000000th of 1000000000th of all life for Yep. That is amazing.

Caroline Beste (42m 59s):
Yep. Oh, that gives me chills. Yeah. Easy. Yeah. It's crazy to think like that. But it's beautiful. It's so freeing. Freeing for the lack of just to not

Lydia P. (43m 11s):
The 1 billion, the all matter in the cosmos. That is the earth. The living earth. That's wow. So tell me that isn't Spirituality like science proving Spirituality in Spirituality proving science? The, the quest to know these things is Spirituality.

Caroline Beste (43m 31s):
Yes, yes. Yeah. The

Lydia P. (43m 35s):
Quest for knowledge and the investigation, the curiosity. Dai Lama says, that's Spirituality. So I close the gap between the two. I don't bridge it. I close the gap between the two. There's no difference to me.

Caroline Beste (43m 50s):
Well they, they like the, they're

Lydia P. (43m 52s):
Miraculous.

Caroline Beste (43m 53s):
They, they comp they compliment each other. And maybe we're the ones that are creating this, this division. Like it's all or nothing. It's either science

Lydia P. (44m 3s):
Difference instead of the same. It's the winner for us to be different from each other rather than be similar to each other. It's the quest, the ego quest for us to be better than our Horses or all the other living animals by claiming Consciousness over them. We don't have more Consciousness than they do. We have less than they do.

Caroline Beste (44m 27s):
Oh my god. I so believe that. I so believe Horses have a higher level of co stronger level of Consciousness.

Lydia P. (44m 34s):
I believe verite are more conscious than we are.

Caroline Beste (44m 39s):
Oh, I don't know about that.

Lydia P. (44m 42s):
I think we live in oblivion somehow. And it's mixed up in material world of more needing more Yeah.

Caroline Beste (44m 51s):
In ego and ego. Ego creates fear and in limitations. And if we don't feel like we have fear limitations, then we think we're superior to everything. And in some ways we are, in some ways we are, we're we're more developed. I don't, I don't like the word superior. We just are more developed in some ways. But I don't, I can't say that having a, a more developed brain is any is helping us. Any That's crazy. It

Lydia P. (45m 18s):
Might be overpowering connection redefined, I don't know.

Caroline Beste (45m 24s):
Oh my gosh. Because

Lydia P. (45m 26s):
We've made a mess of things a bit. But we also are capable of miraculous ways of changing that and turning it around into something else. Yes. We're It's crazy. It's, it's beautiful.

Caroline Beste (45m 40s):
I have an interesting story and then I'm gonna, I I'm, I'll stop cuz I want you to talk about your friend and, and whatever else. But you know, just another incident of many. For me, it was Friday night and we were coming back from a celebration of life and Kurt Mason and I, and I promised my Horses, we've had a severe drought here in Florida. It just started raining and things are perking up. So the Horses are being hayed three times a day. And so I promised them when I came home from dinner, the celebration, then we all went out to dinner. I promised that I, I'd feed them and I forgot you guys. And so my husband woke me up at four o'clock in the morning and he and Mason are falling asleep watching a movie.

Caroline Beste (46m 27s):
I went to bed, he went to go to the bathroom, which men love, you know, it's a farm, right? Let me pick that tree. So it's four o'clock in the morning, he sends Mason to bed. He goes to pee outside the front porch and there's blue in the front yard. And he comes in and wakes me up. He is laughing. He is like, hi. He's like, we have a, a loose horse, an escapee. So you know, I turn on the front lights, I don't see blue, I turn on the back light and I walk out the, the back, the siding glass door. And, and I hear lovey in the corner nickering to me.

Caroline Beste (47m 7s):
And she's basically saying, mom, they're here. So the only two escapees at a three were Blue and Joey and Lovey had got them to come over to her and they were in a dark, like the light didn't hit 'em. So I couldn't see. They're dark anyway, so Levy Nickered and it was the, they all, they have different knickers all the time, right? So she's like, like, here they are mom, here they are. And then they just walked back at Liberty with me to the barn and Little Orlando was still in the barn. Like, he's not stupid, he is like, I'm not following these goons, you know, I don't know where they're going. So before I went to them or while I went to them, sorry, Kurt went to go figure out where they escaped. And so we checked the two gates up by the driveway in front of the cars and and Blue had bent, you know, that we have little latches and he completely bent and I'll say it's blue cuz Joey would never do this.

Caroline Beste (47m 60s):
So Blue came to get me cuz he had obviously pooped right outside my bedroom window cuz there's piles of poop everywhere. And there was one there came around the front and, but he had pushed through that gate and he had pushed so hard. He not only bent the gate, he bent that that steel piece that goes between the two latches. So there's Kurt banging away, you know, to, to straighten it all out. And the boys come with me and I hate them all at four o'clock in the morning. But it just, they've never done that. And when you t you have that ability to talk to them all the time. And I, I just blue's never done anything like that. And, and to push on the fence that hard to open it, it's just mind blowing to figure that out.

Caroline Beste (48m 45s):
It's just mind blowing to to, and there's just, yeah. Anyway, that's just an interesting little story. You guys are probably like, that doesn't really mean anything to me Caroline, but I just see such a different,

Lydia P. (48m 55s):
It kind of relates to, you know, their instinct to want to get past that point and eat.

Caroline Beste (49m 6s):
Well there's, to me, it wasn't about the eating. I took it as a sign of, Hey, I'm coming to get you, I'm hungry, you know, you didn't feed me, so

Lydia P. (49m 16s):
This is, but once he got, he's like, look at all this grass. I don't need her now. All this grasses,

Caroline Beste (49m 20s):
Believe me, we didn't have, there's no grass though. That's what I'm saying. We are, we're we're burnt. When you walk on your lawn and it crunch under your feet and you can't go barefooted. So. Well it's fine now. Green downpour. Yeah, no, we're good. We're coming back. But no, there was nothing to eat. I, that's what I'm saying. He came to, to get me. I don't know. That's what I believe. Cuz I've had many situations like that. It's really wild. It's just there, just, just put it out there that everything has a voice and everything can tell you something if you just listen. If you just listen, we can leave it at that and I'll shut up. Yes,

Lydia P. (49m 59s):
And that's good. I think we, I think we can almost close with that kind of a feel because that's, that's what we're talking about is just being that aware and that in tune. And my baby did it recently too. He's been figuring out how to undo lashes and bending the little clothes, things that need to be heavier still than what I bought, you know, or whatever. I'm like, whoa, okay. He has an opinion about doing something and we've, we've gotta talk about it. Work through it. Yes. And then they put, but they're all coming in recently they, they picked grass over mama and you know what I did?

Lydia P. (50m 42s):
I turned into You're grounded. You're in, it's a great time to spray the pasture and get rid of the clover you're in.

Caroline Beste (50m 51s):
I love it. I love it. I

Lydia P. (50m 53s):
Love it. You know, it's, it's what needs to be done and, and they're okay with it. So it's like, but I'm gonna kind of close with this. I had a good friend, I have brain clot recently and I have to run off to her funeral and Cindy came from the heavens. She was an amazing human being and I just wanna honor her today for that reason and send an send her on her way to the back, into the universe, wherever that is. And hope that she'll tap me on the shoulder and show me a pretty flower now and then. And I'm gonna look at, I'm gonna end with this and it, this came out of another scientist's math who is helping defined particles and energy.

Lydia P. (51m 40s):
If we look at discoveries of science, should we be amazed, humbled, or what? And she said her answer was all of it amazed at we at what we are able hang on. Amazed at what we are able to do. Oh, to know humbled by how much there is to know more there is to know and embarrassed about how much we've screwed up. That was, yeah. That was her answer to the question. And then throughout that series, I want you women to know when they, when women were asked if they wanted to know about the origin of conscious, the women said no.

Lydia P. (52m 25s):
The journey and the layering and the investigation of it was the journey they wanted that they didn't wanna know. And the men said yes, they would like to know there'd be no harm in knowing. It was funny cuz he asked each Yeah. One. And then men all said the same thing. Women all said the same thing. I thought that was interesting.

Caroline Beste (52m 49s):
It is. Mm. I'm just responding to. So thank you everyone. I'm responding right now to the beautiful comments and, and like mind and understanding from everyone. Aww.

Lydia P. (53m 5s):
God bless Cindy. Thank you. Yeah,

Caroline Beste (53m 8s):
Yeah. God bless Cindy. Thank I'm so sorry, Lydia. Aww. I'm sorry.

Lydia P. (53m 12s):
No, she's where she belongs. It's a gift. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So thank you guys. I enjoyed this. I love the topic. We can talk about it in a sleepover.

Caroline Beste (53m 29s):
Yes. Well, and also Benny, you know, let us know if you guys email me or leave comments and let us know if you want us to continue this in another podcast. Yeah. I haven't even discussed on Brandon in her brain yet. Yeah, that's right. So then we will have to have a podcast too. Okay. We're we're on it. We're gonna definitely have a, a, a sequel to this. Okay. All right. Bye my friend. Love you. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye everybody. Thank you. Bless you. We'll see you next time. Bye. Thanks Lydia.