Starting Young Horses, Part I How & When (Developing Good Habits)

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Sabrina Arbogast (47s):
Welcome to Everything Horses & More! Podcasts, educating, liberating, inspiring horse owners around the world. Join our live radio show and a revolution in horse care, handling, training, and achieve the life, relationship and ride of your dreams. Every week we bring you education, expert advice and inspiration about horses, training and living authentically. We spend time diving in deep talking about complex areas in horsemanship, such as horse psychology, biological behavior and nurture the real secrets to being safe with horses and how to achieve the best relationship and right of your dreams with your horse. And that's not all, we also get real and honest about our personal lives and experiences sharing what's worked and what hasn't about everything related to horses and more weekly podcasts.

Sabrina Arbogast (1m 19s):
Our stream laugh every Wednesday at 12:00 PM. Eastern standard time. On the doubt of horsemanship Facebook page, podcasts are hosted by Caroline best and co-hosted by Sabrina Arbogast. Guests are invited periodically hope you can join us and our revolution in horse care, handling, training, and living.

Caroline Beste (1m 20s):
All right. Hi everybody. Welcome back. I'm Caroline. Best of the doubt, horsemanship and y'all know who my lovely cohost is - Sabrina Arbogast.

Sabrina Arbogast (1m 32s):
Hi guys.

Caroline Beste (1m 33s):
Yay. Okay. We're starting a little bit early, no big deal. Cause we record everything and archive them. So for those of you that are new, we keep our podcasts or weekly podcasts up that week for a week. Cause we're doing this every week now and then we load them, archive them on YouTube or YouTube channel. And so you can find all of them there, right? So I've just got my list from last week.

Caroline Beste (2m 6s):
Cause I want to do a little bit of a review for those of you that are new and or returning. Welcome back. We are all about Everything Horses & More! Live every week and streamed live to our Dell horsemanship Facebook page. That way we can reach more people. We're all about educating liberating and inspiring horse owners around the world.

Caroline Beste (2m 37s):
Join our live radio show and a revolution in horse care, handling training T of the life relationship and ride of your dreams. Every week we bring you education expert advice and inspiration about horses and living authentically. We spend time diving in deep talking about complex areas of horsemanship, such as for psychology, biological behavior in nurture modification, training the real secrets to being safe with horses and how to achieve the best connection and relationship and ride of your dreams.

Caroline Beste (3m 15s):
And that's not at all. We also get real honest about our personal lives and experiences sharing what's worked and what hasn't about everything related to horses and more so again, our weekly podcasts are streamed live or Dow horsemanship. Facebook page we are see last week was our first week where we had three in a row, tons of downloads. I think we had over 550 downloads so far, not every week. Are we going to be able to do three of them, but we're going to give it our best shot the month of September.

Caroline Beste (3m 47s):
And then we're going to reevaluate and see where our energy and time is. But, but we love this. I just love sharing so much of my experience and knowledge with all of you and not to mention that I is this definitely revolution. A lot of what I talk about. A lot of you feel innately intuitively akin to it resonates with you. It's just not being talked about or shared or taught out there as far as how to be with your horse, how to connect with your horse and develop your horse, develop and work with your horse.

Caroline Beste (4m 25s):
AKA the same as training. So last week or this week, we're going to be talking today and tomorrow. This is really great. We're going to be diving in today and tomorrow about starting young horses, part one today. And today's discussion is all about how to start your home in wh to start your horse. So I'm going to dive in deep about I get these calls. I love it all the time. How do you, how do you start a young horse Caroline? And how's big, it's a big of this and when do you start them?

Caroline Beste (4m 56s):
What's the best age and so forth and so on. So we're going to dive in deep about that today. That'll be. And then last week we spent three days talking about, for those of you, how we connect. We really dived in deep last week, starting with the science behind connection. You know, what really happened inside the horse science of it. And so much of this has to do with the limbic system, the nervous system within the horse and how, you know, how that affects the ability to connect with them.

Caroline Beste (5m 36s):
And what's important. What does connection mean to horses? And so we talked a lot about social connection and social engagement and, and relationship and why that's so important to horses and how that all ties in with the nervous system. And you know, how the body regulates. We talked a little bit about trauma last week and one of my specialties. And then we ended with how does becoming attuned, attune, develop trust in our horses.

Caroline Beste (6m 7s):
So last Monday it was how we connect the science and emotions behind connection, or why is connection so important to humans and horses? Then Tuesday, we talked about understanding social connection, social engagement in horses, why it's important to train me in how it works and then Wednesday, everything in my work, in the way that you guys are getting to know me is a building block. So everything builds upon itself. So we're not just pulling these topics out of the air, especially during the week, they all build and support each other and they get deeper.

Caroline Beste (6m 43s):
So then Wednesday was how do we become a two? So we talked about this in last week's podcast, my gosh about semantic experiences and, and experiencing life somatically this early, which is where the horse lives, we talked about being intuitive and what that means and sensory, where and sensory yeah, pretty cool stuff. And those podcasts were, they were a good hour. Yeah. It's nice. Just trying to, trying to keep these within an hour.

Caroline Beste (7m 14s):
And that's why we're spreading them out into several days instead of, you know, two to three hours per podcast. So hope you guys join in and I hope you share and let other people know about this information. So that was last week. And then we always talk about our free videos that we have on YouTube every week we produce a snippet, which means a short version of the full length video that you can subscribe to in my video library, everything horses and more, and usually the full length videos are anywhere from 20 to 30 plus minutes.

Caroline Beste (7m 52s):
So they're real training videos. They're not just five to eight, 10 minute videos that just give you some tips. But in the free video on YouTube, we try to take some important pieces and share with you. And so last week we've been doing every week now for a while, our beginner rider series videos. So common mistakes, beginner writers make. And I can't remember what last week was last week. What did we released that does this week?

Caroline Beste (8m 23s):
I'm sorry, this week, this is the way this was last week. You asked me to remember, but you guys can check them out on YouTube and there'll be an under the beginner rider series. But yeah, this week we're going to be releasing for Friday. How, why I use exercise with what type of width I use, why I use it and use it with your horse. And so that's going to be pretty cool because I am a firm believer in that piece of equipment and I am a holistic practitioner and I teach my whole training revolves around being holistic.

Caroline Beste (9m 3s):
So I'm considering the horse's emotions, the spiritual aspects, relationship, mental and physical. And so a lot of people that are attracted to this style of training or developing or working with your horses, they're like a web. Why do you need a water? Yeah. Well, you should check out the video I guess, because it's a very important piece of equipment. And especially when you're working on the biomechanics of movement with your horse on the ground, through my lunge styles, you need the length of the long lunge it's a very awesome tool to help guide guide your horses movement as well as the other practices that I teach.

Caroline Beste (9m 43s):
It's an extension of who you are. And unfortunately, so many horses it's used incorrectly and they fear it and they've been abused with it, abused by it. And so being a Trump, I'm a rehabilitation specialist. I've had to do so much work with horses, with whips, to not desensitize them, but to change their association and experience with the whip to make it a positive association experience.

Caroline Beste (10m 14s):
I had to do that before. I could even use the web as an aid to help them learn or to help guide the body. So it's a very important piece of equipment, both the lunge whip and the riding. Yeah, but this week's video is just about the writing with last week was pre-flight safety. Oh, thank you. Well, yeah. So last week, the last two weeks we were doing my pre-flight to riding. And so last week we specifically worked on what do I do with the horse? When I first get on, I do a set of pre-flight check systems, you know, where's my horses mind, where's the response level?

Caroline Beste (10m 49s):
Where is, are they with me? Are they connected to me, to the subtlety of my aides while I'm just sitting on their life? Just when I first get on not riding yet in the week before it was a body scan. So I'm teaching you all the areas as a, for the rider. What do I need to check before I go into my, my ride? And this is the beginner rider series. We're going to be releasing it as a full course when we're done with all of the snippets in on YouTube, but it's also set up as building blocks.

Caroline Beste (11m 21s):
So we begin at the beginning and it's about writing. So you're not going to get into any groundwork. You're not going to get into anything about, you know, the bridal or learning the saddle and all the pieces of the saddle and the pieces of the bridal and how to groom a horse and how to handle a horse. It's not about that. It's about the rider, but it's going to begin with, you know, the important lessons when you first get on pretty deep. There's nothing else like it out there.

Caroline Beste (11m 51s):
There's a lot of beginner rider videos, but a series that really dives in deep and, you know, being a pioneer in the work that I do doing it differently and in the best interest of the horse and offering both the horse and the human, the opportunity to dive in, as deep as you want to go and with the relationship, it will make your, Oh my gosh, learning together.

Caroline Beste (12m 21s):
Amazing. And that's really what it's all about. It's about a process. And we're going to talk about that with starting young horses today. It's really about the journey. Isn't it. It's not about the destination and don't get me wrong. I have a destination, you know, every course I've ever worked with and I've worked with thousands, it all gone through the same program. And we're going to talk a little bit about that today. The same change curriculum, they've all had to go to school at the same school. Every horse that I've ever started or had to restart and rehabilitate has always gone through the same school.

Caroline Beste (12m 55s):
They've got to learn the same things because it makes them, and this is my training system. It makes them well-rounded. And we talked a little a little bit about that last week. It makes them well-rounded, there's a level of versatility with the horse in what they're able to do or what they are willing to do.

Sabrina Arbogast (13m 14s):
That's a key word there.

Caroline Beste (13m 18s):
Well, rounded also means that the horse has a pretty solid foundation solid on the ground, consistent, solid in the way that you're handling them and handling situations not to mention riding. And so that's a really important thing is talking about a riding foundation. And in this training system of mine is program of mine. It is revolutionary because nobody else is out there teaching it like this.

Caroline Beste (13m 48s):
Meaning I'm teaching you how to work with your horse. It's not teaching you how to train your horse. You've got to really start getting away from that word training because it just the language. So optimum me to all of us. Well, I'm really doing, working hard to get away from it because it pigeonholes us. And it gives us a set mindset. You know, as soon as you say training, you start thinking literally, you know, and that's the way we're designed as humans.

Caroline Beste (14m 19s):
And you start thinking, Oh my God training. That means it's bam, bam, bam, bam. And if we get so linear in our focus, and that's not where we should be. So, you know, learning is, needs to be a linear mean, you know, we're pretty focused on the outcome, the goal, the destination, but learning also goes in many directions. Doesn't it. Especially when we, as learners, human learners get into a challenge with our learning, or we don't understand something, we can't figure it out.

Caroline Beste (15m 1s):
Then the learning changes and we're stuck. And so we have to adopt, try a nonlinear approach. What can we do? What can we do? That's going to help us get to the same outcome because for a lot of us, we're all different, pretty much, you know, you can group us to some point, but we all learn differently. And our personal experiences also shaped the way we are as a learner.

Caroline Beste (15m 31s):
It's not just our genes and our traits and our DNA and our nature. And while you're just like your dad in your learning, or you're just like your mom or whatever, you're just like your brother. It's also our experiences. And I'm bringing all of this up as an example in to set the stage for, this is what I've experienced with horses, thousands of horses, they're no different. And so what we talked about a little bit about intelligence last week with horses, mostly, mostly about social intelligence.

Caroline Beste (16m 1s):
We didn't really get into the cognitive. You know, I'm only bringing that up though, and I'm sure we're going to have a podcast on the actual intellectual cognitive abilities of the horse, but I don't want that to, I don't want us to get stuck there either at pigeonholed the horse, as far as their ability cognitively to, to learn. So getting back to the topic that I was talking about this being, not just a revolution, but also the language training.

Caroline Beste (16m 37s):
What about learning? Don't you want to learn with your horse? What about learning? How to work with your horse? How would you like to have a training system that gives you a roadmap, a guide, a step by step guide and all the supports you need between written materials and me as your coach, and then the lessons. So you've got the guy you've got the system, you've got the curriculum, but it's how you go about it in we're all gonna get stuck. Where do you get stuck, or horses are going to get stuck. We're going to get stuck together.

Caroline Beste (17m 7s):
And so you've got to change that training because it's like, boom, it becomes real mechanical. We come, we become so bull bullseye about that. Oh, it's gotta get done. It's gotta get done in this way. And I don't have time for it to take the time it's just got to get done. So that's where the revolution comes in with my work. We're going to get to that destination, but it's how you get to the destination that matters most. And especially when you want to continuously will start developing.

Caroline Beste (17m 40s):
Then you want to nurture and maintain that amazing connection in relationship. And again, we have to understand that horses are very nonlinear and humans are very linear. And so just like bringing up those two words, it really sets us apart, especially as learners. And especially as the human wanting to train their horse, that's where we get stuck. And that's where we get screwed up all the time.

Caroline Beste (18m 13s):
And unfortunately, most of the training programs or courses, whatever you're following, it doesn't really matter what discipline out there from event or a Hunter jumper to dressage, to natural horsemanship to this, to that. So much of it is because we've developed it very linear, no horse doesn't live in a linear world. And to me, that's the number one problem with horse training today, just wrapping your brain around.

Caroline Beste (18m 44s):
What does that mean, Caroline? Because we're so forceful. We're always trying to make it happen. We've got an agenda. We've got a time limit and I'm here to tell you, you shouldn't have a time limit, especially, especially when you're developing a young horse and, or restarting a troubled horse. So let's start this discussion starting young horses, part one.

Caroline Beste (19m 15s):
How, and when do you start them? How do you start them? When do you start that? So there are two areas I focus on when raising a young horse and developing that. And when I say raising young horse, it could be from imprinting them at birth to acquiring them as a Wayne Lane, a yearly or two year old too. We're gonna start off with two really important. And they never forget either one of these while I'm developing. I don't forget that. I don't just start with these two areas and then leave them behind and move on to others.

Caroline Beste (19m 50s):
These two areas are they remain during the entire development. The first one is bonding and relationship. So we start there and we nurture that and we carry a bond and a relationship throughout all of our work together throughout all of the habituation and the training and the development of that young horse. And we're going to talk about why a little later on the second area is you need to create good habits or habit modification for these young horses.

Caroline Beste (20m 26s):
So for all of you out there that have children, you understand what it's like, you get a start and it's all age appropriate to you. Can't give them too much. It's too early of an age and they're not going to be able to retain it. They'll absorb it like a sponge, but they're like, squirrel, squirrel, what's over there. What's over there. You know, you tell them one thing and they forget it or they get a piece of it and they forget the rest of it. And you gotta tell them a hundred times sometimes that's, we'll talk about that too.

Caroline Beste (20m 57s):
So with young minds, it's not that they're stupid. It's not that they're not smart forces or young kids. And they're, I can't remember what research it is. I'd have to look at my resources to find it. And I've always said this to me, a young horse, a young horses mind, or a healthy young adult horse that hasn't been, that are screwed up. And there's very few of those. They have the cognitive abilities of a seven or eight year old child.

Caroline Beste (21m 32s):
The really smart ones do big time and they can problem solve. And the other fact is horses have memories like elephants, okay? They forget a thing and only takes one time to make it wrong. One time to do it wrong. And if you don't make it right, they're going to carry it out with them. Just like a young child. They'll never forget that you talked to him harshly. The horse will never forget that you hit him that one time either will your child. And so I love when I'm developing my students to learn how to train their horses.

Caroline Beste (22m 7s):
I love to bring all of this up because it's really important to, to set the foundation in your mind, your mindset about how you want to go into this training, developing of the young horse, starting the young horse, how you want to go into it and how you want to nurture it, because it's going to be a long time. This is what his suits me off about training young horses. And I'll get started on that a little later during this discussion.

Caroline Beste (22m 40s):
So it doesn't matter how young your horses just know that they're not going to fully mature emotionally, mentally, and physically till about the age of 10. We already know scientifically that their bones specifically their spine doesn't majority until the age of seven, the age of seven. And look what we're doing. Today's young horses at two, as far as writing in all disciplines makes me sick.

Caroline Beste (23m 13s):
So that's why we are pioneering. That's why it's a revolution. Things have got to change. All right. So what should a young horse learn right away? And this is again, starting from imprinting. Any time you get the young, doesn't matter whether you get them as full a newborn, because we've got the mama or lean lane or two year old, what should that horse start learning right away?

Caroline Beste (23m 48s):
How to bond with you, how to have a relationship, a connection, a social connection with you.

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Caroline Beste (23m 59s):
So engagement and connection with humans is so important. And unfortunately, a lot of our young horses are robbed of that experience, not just with people, but with other horses, they're taken away from their mothers way too young. And it, I don't know of any young baby that, that isn't stressful. And so you guys, one of the things you've got to realize, if you don't know, this is in the wild, you know, the babies, the young ports, the herd, and a mother in the wild, at least until the age of two, they're still suckling at the age of two, mom's starting to wean them off.

Caroline Beste (24m 36s):
You want to know why? Because the mother knows how important this is to the young horses, mind not to mention the antibodies and the nutrients, but to the mind, come on, they already know this. So around the age of two, especially the young Colts, it's time to get the hell out because we don't want any inbreeding. There's only one stallion, right? And so, and then often the young fillies they may leave.

Caroline Beste (25m 6s):
They may get called and stolen by a young stallions rope, stallions looking to form their own band of herd of mares that often the young f, if they do go out and get impregnated, they will come back. They will bring their pregnant selves back because family is so important. Those dynamics and relationships that they have created are so important to them, not to mention this is what makes horses so socially intelligent.

Caroline Beste (25m 37s):
You know, they've all, it's kind of like you feeling most at home and comfortable in your own family dynamic because it's comfortable. You grew up a certain way. This is the way things are done. So if you've got the matriarch lead Mayer and stallion who do predominantly make for life, that's pretty cool too. They'd formed that kind of a partnership for life. They raised that herd a certain way. And so those pregnant fillies will come back to be with the, the matriarch and the matriarchal society of mare, their band of mares so that they can all raise their babies together.

Caroline Beste (26m 17s):
And they all do often they'll allow their babies to suckle from them. The mares will fight off stallions. I mean, they're very protective. They rule, they reign everything. It's kind of interesting. When you think about the level of courage and fight, that's even in these wild mares. And then you think about why some people have so many, so much, so many people have trouble with mares in general, domesticated. They just don't understand innately instinctively how these horses are hardwired.

Caroline Beste (26m 50s):
The sex is hardwired. I mean, these mares are just, you'll see there's we have footage of it. I can find it again. It's on YouTube where a pregnant mares was giving birth and she strayed too far. And she was by herself and she just gave birth and had a newborn, a couple of hours old, and about five rogue stallions came up and they don't care. They would have killed the baby. And here she is trying to fight them off of herself and the baby.

Caroline Beste (27m 22s):
And she's running around and kicking and doing everything she can. And this has gone on for at least five, 10 minutes, but guess who comes to save her, the band of mares and their babies, they all come and they kick ass and kick those stallions out of there. And then they help the baby and they help the mama. And it's just so beautiful. You guys are so much to learn from horses. It's on that believable. So when we, I give a lot of the history and I talk a lot about theory and the concepts and principles behind stuff, and as much history as I possibly can, because I'm the one that has met thousands of students.

Caroline Beste (28m 2s):
And you guys don't know this stuff. You don't know anything about it because it's not being populated out there in general horsemanship or in general training. There's not enough time spent educating horse owners about stuff like this. Everybody's so quick to want to get it done and do it, you know, and we need to think, and we need to, to understand a lot of the history and the dynamics and the instincts, and what's really innate within horses. And what really drives them is it will give us such a deeper appreciation for how we go about working with them.

Caroline Beste (28m 40s):
So that's why I bring it up. So bonding and friendship is tough for horses, and this is what makes a horse feel safe. It's not safety in numbers. It's not the roof over their head. It's not about the food. They need all of those things, but their hierarchy of needs. Safety's emotional. You guys very emotional. So that's number one. So what should a young horse learn right away? They need to be able to bond with you. They need to be able to trust you. They need to be able to feel safe and comfortable with you. That's number one, number two, within reason, depending on the age, they need to start learning how to respect your space.

Caroline Beste (29m 21s):
And this is the language of necklace. So if you've spent time studying law courses, I have spent time studying abandoned mares and their foals domesticated wild. If you spent time studying horses, this will all make sense. Healthy horses though. Not well. I've studied crazy horses too. That's part of my specialty, but you understand how good a good mama is. She lets the baby just like we will, we'll let her, our babies grab on us. And of course they're going to cry and they're going to experience things and they're going to need us.

Caroline Beste (29m 55s):
Yes. And then we're also slowly when it's time appropriate, we're going to start to teach them some boundaries, you know, and that's really important to horses. And so unfortunately we acquire horses. They're screwed up, even handling horses. I can't tell you how many other horses I've, I've started even at eight months just getting handled in consistent habits.

Caroline Beste (30m 27s):
And they are afraid of people or, you know, this, that, and the other has been done to them. That's damaged them a little bit. It's really sad. And when we, when people are teaching horses to respect space, they're just so aggressive about it. And if you start slowly and quietly and you build upon that with a very, very young horse, it just becomes second nature to that. Yeah. I am forced to read your expressions and to read your body language that you don't have to use big tools or get really big.

Caroline Beste (30m 60s):
Unfortunately, it doesn't happen with these young horses. You know, breeders are breeders, they're not trained. And so, you know, the horses, usually the baby's manhandled and pushed around may to lift up their fee yanked on change. You name it, but respect is number two now. Yeah, I'll move on. So one of the things I want to add about respect for Stace is young horses naturally play, right? And when they play, especially boys young Colts before they're gelded, but boys in the play drive is they're very mouthy, much more so than a young film, much more so.

Caroline Beste (31m 42s):
And then now he has so much to do with the sex and with the drive of the boy, not just in mating, but when you get out with them, they're still great playful and mouthy. And there's a lot to read about a playful young forest that tells you a lot about that horse and tells you a lot about their maturity level. Most of the time, they were very playful, young horses and very immature horse. And so if you want to start them under saddle at the age of three or four, and they're still real mouthy and will fractious, it's just going to take longer.

Caroline Beste (32m 16s):
It might, you could start them slowly, definitely, but just don't expect the same results with a horse. That's a little more serious, a little more focused. It just has a higher work drive, not a play drive. So, but all young horses, there's a reason why they're mouthy. And so I get these questions, like what do I do with my young horse at once to bite and chew on everything? Well, there's tea things, just like a young puppy, a young kitten, a young child, you've got teething issues going on.

Caroline Beste (32m 48s):
You've got their familiarity. So especially with a young horse, when they're mouthy, it's part of becoming familiar. See, they've got whiskers for a reason. Then they've got blind spots. So they can't see right below their mouth. So whiskers help them feel. And then they've got hundreds of nerves and feelings this way. Some horses can manipulate a snap really easily and undo Gates. Like my two boys used to do all the time. So you know, their muscles depending on the size of the muscle and you know how long it is and how, you know, coordinated motor skills that horse has, they are, they can do a lot with that muscle.

Caroline Beste (33m 31s):
So the muscle is a very interesting part of the horse's body. And it's natural for young horses to play. This is what helps them develop the social class system for the lack of a better word. When you say pecking order and pecking order is important to young horses. And unfortunately when we formed bonds with them and friendships as humans, it's hard to find that balance of love and leadership, but it's important because you want that bond. Oh, you want it. And you want them to want to touch you and play with you respectfully and nibble on you.

Caroline Beste (34m 7s):
But you guys have got to find those boundaries. You've got to be like, okay, this is enough. This is what's acceptable. Just like mama, horse. I'm only going to let you for so long beat up on me before I bite you or kick you. And so we don't want to be biting or kicking our young horses, but that's where our tools or our equipment will come in because we can use rhythmic pressure. We can use steady pressure. We can use all sorts of forms to discourage the course, to redirect the course.

Caroline Beste (34m 39s):
Unfortunately it takes a lot of consistency. A lot of patients that's, what's missing so much course. And just so quick, nobody has a time. Nobody has a patience. I also forgot to mention that we do take questions. Okay. This is always open to you guys. So if I'm on a roll here and I don't take a break, Sabrina knows to raise her hand and remind me that we've got a question. So don't hesitate to ask questions, even not interrupting me.

Caroline Beste (35m 11s):
I just might wait a little bit. So that's a question I get all the time is my horse was so playful. You guys have to be really careful. You don't want your young horses learning how to jump on top of you. That's what they're going to do naturally. So a lot of what I teach in my MasteryMembership program, which is for all ages, disciplines reads and types of courses. What, because we start on the ground and we, we teach all of this is you. I'm all about being preventative. I'm all about not trying to overcorrect a correct beyond horse.

Caroline Beste (35m 46s):
I'm all about educating the horse. So as soon as I get a horse, a horse is new to me. It doesn't matter what age, the horses we got to get. A couple of things understood. You know, one I'm here. I'm always here for you. I want to develop and shift with you a relationship with you in second, I need to make sure that you respect me so that I don't get hurt. I don't get run over whatever kicked bit nothing.

Caroline Beste (36m 16s):
And again, this comes into a lot of love in leadership abilities. I'm always there for you. I'm always thinking about your horse, but I also need you to start thinking about me and what's appropriate when you're with a person where like one 10th, the weight when you become an adult and strength. So respect for space is second, third, natural sensitizing. We always hear desensitizing. What about sensitizing?

Caroline Beste (36m 47s):
Horses are sensitive by nature. Each horse as an individual has a different sensitivity level, just like we do. So what does that mean, sensitizing? This is when you gradually slowly teach your young horse how to respond to pressure, how to respond to pressure. You want to make them sensitive to pressure. See it's innate in young horses to be oppositional with the pressure. That's why they pull back and push through and want to run you over.

Caroline Beste (37m 18s):
So pressure, they have to get used to pressure. And unfortunately was so much of our training. I don't care what discipline it is. Even natural horsemanship. Bastardizes this and abuses this concept. We don't teach newer young horses about pressure. We just started applying it and we either scare the hell out of them. And then we go into desensitizing or are we dead? And the, they just check out, go on auto autopilot where they just check out because it's too much, they're overwhelmed and over faced.

Caroline Beste (37m 50s):
So pressure is in everyday occurrence for all of us in life, including the horse. But horses by nature are instinctively hardwired to avoid pressure, claustrophobic pressure. If a predator comes, they what to kill them, whether it's a lion or a Wolf, what are they going to do? Or Cougar, they're going to come for their juggler, or they're going to go back where their pole is to take them down because behind their ears, their poll area is their sense of balance.

Caroline Beste (38m 22s):
So if a horse, if they get the pole or they get the juggler or they get the flying, the tender or the Achilles above the hock , the horses have gone. Or so what is the horse instinctively taught to do when they feel pressure there? So now we've got the kicking area we've got above the heart or the flank of young horse. They feel pressure back there. What are they going to do? Kick? What are they going to do when they feel it above their head? Always want them what to lower their head. What about underneath, where they can't see, they're taught to push into that or pull that.

Caroline Beste (38m 57s):
So pushing in is to crush the predator. How many of you have had a, a new horse or a young horse and exposed to your dogs? And the first thing they do is try to run your dog down and stomp on him or kick on. So these are instinctive, and we've got to understand this. When we go into sensitizing or young horses, not desensitizing, Ooh, here's the counterintuitive. This is where it's gone wrong.

Caroline Beste (39m 27s):
You guys, this is the bastardization it's. This is so misinterpreted and skewed desensitizing. No, we want to sensitize them. Depression, get them used to it. And in a friendly way, slow way, we don't want to overwhelm them or over face them. So I'm bringing all of this up because these are also the core areas that go wrong right away. And then we get these young horses and they are fruit loops. They're really tough to work with, to train.

Caroline Beste (40m 0s):
And then we send them off to trainers. See, everybody should be able to develop their own course. There should be no reason, but because 99% of our horses are so screwed up by this stuff from the beginning. And then they get passed on from one chain or to the other, and they get so many different messages and confusion. It's just unbelievable. It makes my heart in my head hurt thinking about it.

Caroline Beste (40m 31s):
So we want to sensitize you.

Sabrina Arbogast (40m 32s):
Yes. Ma'am we have a question whenever you're ready.

Caroline Beste (40m 34s):
Let me just finish two more. Thank you, Sabrina. So we want to sensitize them to pressure in a slow gradual with lots of feeling timey, take your time, pay attention to how your young horse feels about pressure. So what did they want to kick at it for weeks or months? Take your time. How many people don't put up with that? And the worst is punished, beaten, or like, again, horses bucking a lot, but let's put a book f*****g strap on him.

Caroline Beste (41m 8s):
Guess what guys I did that I was taught the same thing, Sundance cause of the buck. Well, I quit that clinic and was threw up and cried. And this was a top certified trainer, the most popular natural horsemanship - Parelli. Sorry. They should pay more to their instructors. Yeah, it was horrific.

Caroline Beste (41m 40s):
And I mean, he wanted to keep my eye. I spent two years getting the book and she had as still has triggers. So Sabrina, when you see her flinch, when I haven't written her in a while, you know, we've all seen him. She still has triggers. She had triggers before I got her that did not help. So you want to sensitize them steady pressure, rhythmic pressure, your feel to everything.

Caroline Beste (42m 12s):
Okay. So you got to kind of know how they're innately instinctively hardwired. And then the last area is natural desensitizing to its surroundings, including your tools, your equipment, your peer in stimulation basically included as part of your every day. And don't avoid it. Don't flood them with it like so many idiots out there teaching you versus afraid. Like my baby was afraid of bags. All right. There's a time when he got dangerous and was on manageable around the noise of a bag, it's on YouTube.

Caroline Beste (42m 47s):
It's a three hour the series. I had to do something about it ever. And then bags were just a part of his every day, eating, hearing, walking everything, but you've got to make it natural. And so you can think outside the box and set this up. So if you notice that your young horse that you just inherited as a Wayne Lane is awfully spooky and reactive, then start thinking outside the box and make a plan, put it on paper.

Caroline Beste (43m 22s):
Okay. I'm going to start putting all these things around their area so they can get familiar with it in that, in an area that brings them comfort, whether it's courses or around their stall or their water chop. I mean, how many of you have either done this or heard of this? The horse is afraid of the trailer. So we leave the trailer out in the past year and we put food in it and we don't put any pressure on him. We just let them gradually get, figure it out. And they do.

Caroline Beste (43m 53s):
And they do, but it takes time, consistency and patience. And there's a beautiful way of sensitizing them. Not really in desensitizing, but not in the way that we're used to. So also when you're desensitizing, if you've got an older, more experienced tours, include them in the process. Okay. Because they're not going to, if they're not afraid, obviously you're going to have horses learn from each other.

Caroline Beste (44m 23s):
They're social learners, big time. So they feed off the energy and they learned from each other. So that's something that's a real bonus for you guys to consider. Yes. Rebecca asked, will you talk about introducing bathing water please? Okay. Hi Rebecca. This is our Rebecca. Yes. Right. Great. So will I talk about introducing bathing and water? Absolutely. So, so let's just talk about bathing.

Caroline Beste (44m 56s):
It's kind of like my philosophy on feeding. When a horse is new to me, I never take my time to gradually switch them over to a new feat. I've never had a problem in the thousands of horses. So I'm setting this up for your mindset. I just switched them over. I've never had a problem. And now we're on an amazing organic holistic food feeding program. So it's all natural. It's all alfalfa pellets. Okay. So let's talk about bathing.

Caroline Beste (45m 26s):
This is awesome. I don't take my time and start going up and down the legs with a soft spray. I don't care if the horse hates bathing and it comes to me as a 12 year old. Absolutely horrible. I'm not going to change. And it's worked in 10 minutes in every instance. So I do not. Tai will not title Wars. I will hold the worst. I will have work to spend time. I don't care if it takes days or weeks or months. First, first I will spend time bonding and forming a relationship where that horse connects with me and feel safe and comfortable with me.

Caroline Beste (46m 4s):
That comes first. So yeah, I can, I can know that it's a young horse. That's never been bathed or I can know it's a horse. That's being restarted and is petrified of dating. I will establish that relationship first. And what does that mean? It means that the horse comes to me. The horse is comfortable around me. I can touch the horse everywhere. It trusts me. I have to have some trust. You guys, it's not going to work. I never time. Not right now. I would want them to be able to move and move with me. I want to move with them.

Caroline Beste (46m 36s):
Okay. Now we're ready for bathing. I'm paying attention to them the whole time. Okay. And grabbing the hose. And I got them on the lead rope and I will allow them to back up and I'll allow the lead rope to, you know, feed out of my hand. I'm not gonna force him there. I'm gonna keep an eye on him and I'm going to smile and I'm going to keep reminding them of their relationship that they trust. So you've gotta be really responsible and aware of how you show up during this process. Maybe I'll stop. When I noticed that the worst is just, but they're petrified because I've never seen a hose.

Caroline Beste (47m 10s):
Maybe they haven't seen the wash rack before. It's all good. They're in there because they trust me. But now I'm adding to it and adding stimuli, I'm adding new experiences or I'm triggering past experiences. So you've got to take your time. But when I get ready to turn that water on it, yes. Where it's going straight to their mouth. Yes ma'am. So if I've got a worse, but that an open wash area, and I knew that horse might back up and bolt backwards, set yourself up for success.

Caroline Beste (47m 41s):
Maybe I'll put him in, you know, three walls, but I don't want to get run down either. I want them to be able to move. Okay. I'm not here to trap them. So you don't want to tie them. You gotta be safe. Why do you start with the mouth? Because that's the play area for a horse and I don't want them running away. So, you know, I have so much experience with this and has so much feeling timing. You're probably saying, well, how the hell do I do this, Caroline? You know, I don't want to force him and manhandle them and hold him there and get on their case.

Caroline Beste (48m 14s):
I don't want to get run over. I don't want to run away from me and dragging me. You guys are going to have to figure it out because it comes down to your skill level. I don't want to set you up for anything. You're not, you can't handle it could get ugly, but I know my skill level. And so I'm going to talk about how I do it. Doesn't mean you guys are ready for this, including you, Rebecca. So I I've gotten to know this horse, the young girl, we have a pretty good relationship. Whereas comes to me.

Caroline Beste (48m 45s):
Horses is pretty good with, with stuff that I do around the rounded with him or her. And now I'm bringing the hose and here comes the water and it's going to be on a shower spray, and it's going to come right at their mouth and they can back up and I can feed the lead rope out. And I'm just going to keep smiling and going. It's okay. I'm going to be going all, shoving it in their face. I'm going to be gone all around their mouth, back and forth. It's okay. And then it might take it away and then I'll bring it back up. So see what I'm bringing to the experience. It's okay.

Caroline Beste (49m 15s):
We're going to have fun with this. We have so much responsibility to these horses. They read everything, they feel everything. And they read everything. You know, while this may sound a bit overwhelming for us and daunting and like, Oh my God, can I be all that for my horse? Of course she can. It's built into us to be that way. Look how we already little baby, baby, anything. So even if it's an older horse, that's traumatized, come in with that joy, come in with your heart connection, come in with a different approach.

Caroline Beste (49m 50s):
So as soon as we start putting it in the mouth, maybe, you know, they're like, Oh, just keep running it in the mouth. You'll figure out how to get them to relax. Cause as soon as that mouth starts to open up and relax, they are literally processing in release, Not here, all clenched and locked up in their mind and locked up in their jaw. Once that jaw relaxes, Ooh, they start to open up.

Caroline Beste (50m 20s):
And so that's how I start. And then from the mouth that goes down the chest, you know, again, and then down the leg, all back to the mouth again. So I just don't stay and then move on to a whole nother body part. I'm going to keep going back to the stop. I had him for a while and I give him a break. You guys are gonna have to read all of this, keep paying attention to your course. Let them, they'll tell you everything you need to know, but it does take some experience learning how to read them. And then what do you do with the information that you get?

Caroline Beste (50m 54s):
I teach all of this, teach us my MasteryMembership program. And then we have a starting your young horse course. And we're going to talk about our starting the young horse course, why I'm not recommending that. And I'm recommending the MasteryMembership program is because the starting of course, while it dives in deep, and we have three different young horses, we're working with three very different two out of those three are f****d up those three. He came with problems, problems from their biological mother and then problems from their handler who didn't do anything wrong.

Caroline Beste (51m 32s):
But she tried to do somethings, both the two babies that Sabrina has. And I have in this course came from the same owner who is a good friend of mine, but she has no business trying to do what so many of you out there without education, she watches the YouTube videos and it looks easy. It looks easy. Why? Because you only know what you know, you don't know what you don't know, meaning your trained eye is limited.

Caroline Beste (52m 4s):
So limited to your personal experience. Do you all get that? If you've never Brown pen, a horse started a young horse and you just start watching some random videos from five different trainers on starting young horses and you go out there with no experience. You're only gonna get what you were able to get videos and it's gonna be a disaster. I know, cause I'm the one that gets all these horses over the years, they've all come to me.

Caroline Beste (52m 38s):
Every type of breed, every age and every problem. And some of them have been started by some of the top rows in our industry and falled different disciplines.

Sabrina Arbogast (52m 52s):
Yes. Ma'am

Caroline Beste (52m 55s):
Kalia. What do you do when they try to bat? And you do not have an aid in your hand. Hi, Talia, another MasteryMembership student. I love it. Both Rebecca and Italia. So this is where Tilea, what do you do when the young course, and you have up in a year lane, a little filly, a wild one, actually wild. What do you do when she starts to bite at you? So this is where I'm talking about prevention. Don't let it happen. So you guys have to set yourself up for, and you wouldn't know that unless you learn it from me or your trainer like that.

Caroline Beste (53m 31s):
So I wouldn't go in an area like that without setting myself up for success. And that means obviously I would have worked with her already to establish some understanding and respect for space. But if it was a first time, wanted to bond with her and this has happened to, and, and get to know her and allow her in and get some information from her. I would have brought some tools like a little like a dressage lip, or you guys will see me carry these two to three foot buddy streams that I can also tie around my horses, neck or riotous is riding in the real thin.

Caroline Beste (54m 14s):
They're like the size of my pinkie. And I'll just slip them through my belt loop where my belt to hold. And then I can just pull them right out. But I pull them out. It's rhythmic pressure. So rhythmic pressure. I'm going to be twirling that. And if the baby's like at first, either going to run away from it, cause it's stimuli and it scares them. They're not used to it. Or they might be the type of baby when it doesn't scare them. And you keep rhythmically, hitting them with it, lightly tapping. And they're just the, you know, taking it, doesn't bother them.

Caroline Beste (54m 46s):
Then you'll get stronger and stronger. You gotta find out what's gonna work because what's the purpose. You want them to back away. You want them to learn that every time you bring up a rhythm or you bring up your energy, what's the cue. You've got to condition them. And this is part of developing good habits, takes a lot of consistency and repetition, doing the same thing over for these young horses. And the way I teach the way you girls are learning. And the MasteryMembership is it comes from here, come you first, right?

Caroline Beste (55m 16s):
Because we don't want to have to be using these AIDS all the time. We want the language of Equis. We want to be as good as model plus. So, you know, you've got to get them tuned into you. Like, Hey, no. And then bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. You guys can watch me in the video here, you know, rhythm. And if that doesn't work, maybe tap, tap, tap. It's rhythm. Rhythms are warning. Okay? It's being assertive. Aggression is a slap. Aggression comes unannounced, unexpected, and that's what creates fear.

Caroline Beste (55m 52s):
You never want to hit, always gotta to be with them. So you guys set yourself up for success and be preventative. Don't go in there and you wouldn't know that now you do. So next time you can buy the buddy strings from the person that I buy. All of my rope halters and lead ropes from handcrafted Juul. You can email me and I'll send you the link to the website, but you know, you can, you can buy some cheap attractor supply by one of their cheap little carrot sticks or handy sticks. And just take the string off or a two to three foot riding with that.

Caroline Beste (56m 28s):
You can just casually carry with you, not like this, but just carry it with you and then lift it up. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. And of course the program teaches you all of this. So that's a great question. Thank you. Both of you. I hope I hope my answers help. She said this is helpful. It's improved greatly. It's less than more is batting. Okay. Okay, good. And then Rebecca about the baby and she said, it's great. Yeah. I mean, I know it sounds totally counterintuitive, but I'm telling you, you guys I've tried all the old approaches with horses that were petrified older horses of getting hosed or a young one that acted.

Caroline Beste (57m 7s):
I mean, I used to gentle wild horses and they'd look at that, like a snake coming in. You're trying to pose their legs. And I'm like, as soon as I can get the mouth and they're like, Oh, Oh, Oh water, Oh, water. You know, and bringing their relationship to it. It's just a, it's a great approach. And it worked so much faster than trying to desensitize them for weeks. And that's in our starting of course with karma. Yes. Yeah. Your baby that you bought after the course, you can't blame it on there too.

Caroline Beste (57m 38s):
And glue. Yeah. Bathing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think blue is a superstar. Blue was at Liberty and he's a tool, but it took, it took a little while and then karma was petrified. You're typical. Okay. Not NoMo. Right. All right. So what type or level of training is age appropriate? That's another great question. I get what's age appropriate. So what we need to understand about bowls weanlings yearlings and two year olds is that they need consistency in a repetition, just like changing your young puppy training, a young anything child, right?

Caroline Beste (58m 15s):
They need consistency and repetition until they mature into it till it connects. And everyone is an individual. So we need consistency and repetition to create habits and learning education means it's not done one time or once a week now, or horses that been there done that have experience. That's a little different, but for these young babies, we're developing them.

Caroline Beste (58m 47s):
We're developing new habits, new ways of being new ways of associating new and learning is a gradual step. You guys, it's an education. So we've got to teach them well, I will break down what you can and should learn at certain ages. What's most important is that we maintain consistency until they get it. So you can't pigeonhole them. You can't say, well, this is a two year old and you're ready to be written now.

Caroline Beste (59m 20s):
And maybe, maybe, maybe we start our young horse under saddle. But believe me, we're just starting them. Doesn't mean we're riding them every day, every month. We're going to introduce it. If it's, if they're ready for it, we're going to introduce it. And then we might leave it alone for a long time, because remember they're only two, where's their emotional maturity, mental maturity and physical material.

Caroline Beste (59m 50s):
And because horses are individuals, they learn differently just like we do. So I can only give you one concrete age to start. And that's immediately, as soon as you can, as soon as they're born. So a lot of people are like, well, when should I start a horse? And I'm like, as soon as they're born, it's a weanling or it's a yearly, we'll start. Now. I get that all the time. I'm like start now. Well, what do I start? We're going to talk about it provided in the young horse course. And we certainly provided in much more depth in the MasteryMembership program.

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 26s):
Alright. So newborns, they learn immediately. And especially from their mothers and other horses around them, that's because horses by nature are social learners. If you're able to become part of that social dynamic on a daily basis, they will naturally pick up habits and learning from you. So again, you guys got to start thinking outside the box, how do I, what are, what are habits, write them down. What do you and I also provide these courses. So I have them all written down for you guys.

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 57s):
What do you want your horse to learn the ABCs of how to be with you? That's appropriate? So with newborns, it depends on the type of learning, such as what we just talked about within printing. This can be done as early as the first day to three months in printing. So for me, that means I'm with the baby and the momma is much as possible touching and bonding and just getting the baby used to me and creating positive associations with me.

Caroline Beste (1h 1m 32s):
And obviously the mama. So the mom is one of my horses. You can, I mean, that's obvious my horse is going to know a lot and have a great relationship with me. But if it's, so that's going to help the baby except me immediately more easily. And if it's a mama, Oh my gosh, I've worked with so many mamas that were crazy wild, you know, had came from all different experiences and the baby's gonna predominantly be attached to the mama. Good, bad or ugly.

Caroline Beste (1h 2m 3s):
Sometimes they're not, sometimes they're very independent and independent thinkers and that's really cool to see. So the mama might be over there, you know, afraid of something and snorting and the baby is just standing there like looking at you and checking you out, completely, not even interested in what the mother's doing, but that's very rare. Very rare, indeed. That's one hell the young horse you're going to want to hang out. So I don't agree like Clinton Anderson had, I don't even know if it's still available.

Caroline Beste (1h 2m 37s):
He gets thank God, a lot of bad reviews and publicity. But I remember there was a newborn. It might've been a few weeks old, a month old maybe, and he's got ropes all over it and he's trying to get it to yield to pressure. You know, he's got a halter on it. I don't think a young horse. You get a halter on the young baby. What's the purpose though. I mean, the baby's going to follow the mother regardless. So you've got that on your side.

Caroline Beste (1h 3m 8s):
At least till three months of age. I mean, it's, it keeps getting, you know, more autonomy and independence as it gets older and it gets harder and harder, you know, runs and leaves comes back, runs and leaves and comes back. But the first month or two, you know, the baby's going to be right by its mom aside for the most part. So I wanted to get used to ropes, right? You got a lead rope on the mama, Libra rubs, dangling down over the baby. Maybe you take the lead rope and just lay it on the baby's back or your, you know, your fingers, your hands should be sensitizing and desensitizing.

Caroline Beste (1h 3m 43s):
The baby. You should be. Because ultimately when you go to put the halter on the baby's going to feel you and feel your hands. So when I am working, developing horses, it doesn't matter what age or what type of horse, everything I present to them as an extension of me, as far as AIDS and equipment. So your brushes, your equipment whips, you name it blankets. It's just an extension of you. So get I'm really familiar with you is what I'm saying. And you not just being there, but touching them.

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 15s):
And this goes for the ladies and the binders. They're itchy spots as part of bonding and, you know, get them used to your hands, all over their legs, their valleys, be careful about it. Keep your body close to theirs, the ability for them and babies, aren't going to kick you right away. If anything, you're just going to move away from you. So you certainly don't want to tap them. You don't want to overwhelm them. You know, everything's done gradually with so much attention to how the baby's receiving it.

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 47s):
You know, it gives you a lot of information about that baby. So take your time. Then three to six months, you can continue the same practices, but add new learning, such as accepting the halter. Because at this point you've already been touching the baby all over. You know, they're used to you back behind your ears. It maybe you've already put the lead rope all around them. So they're used to that kind of weight aid, a little bit of pressure. So three, six months, you know, you've got the halter in the leading within the three to six months.

Caroline Beste (1h 5m 24s):
That's when you should also be setting yourself up, whether you have a little buddy string with you or a small crop, just something that you can start to use as rhythmic pressure, that that's going to be your cue for the baby to stop. Don't come any closer, move away. So you've got to start having that kind of a language with the baby that, yes, this means you can come in when, when I'm quiet or I'm sitting down or I'm calling you, those are my cues for you to come in, but here's my cues for you to stop or, you know, back off.

Caroline Beste (1h 6m 5s):
And as long as everything is done with the MC Lee member, that's a warning. Even if that the rhythm ends up making contact, it's still a warning. It can get stronger. It's when you hit that, that is becomes aggressive and fearful. And so you can see how we're building and setting things up. Do we have any questions? Yes. Okay. Lydia, Katie is asking, is it the same for Creek would play with them? I love it.

Caroline Beste (1h 6m 35s):
Lydia. Great question. Damn straight and get in and play. Are you kidding? That was one of the beauties of having my, my two labs. When I got back into horses, I had my two labs, 14 years before they passed away a couple years ago. And so they were puppies together and they grew up with me coming back into this business. They were always playing in the water, right? Oh my God. It was awesome. And I had water all around me. When I got back into horses in Maryland, I had a pond and then I had a tidal pond. So I would always Chuck and I had to Chuck it, Chuck in that ball in, and it was great to desensitize the horses, all that noise and rockets.

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 11s):
So yes, the dogs work great. It helped in the horses in going through puddles, whatever horse came to me. But Lydia, I would always get in the water if I had to, especially when I was retraining horses and they were afraid of any kind of water obstacle that I had, I would walk through it. But eventually, you know, I also, when to teaching you guys this in the program, how to send them, so this is where you can start using the, send on your, you know, sending your course in working with thresholds.

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 42s):
So it doesn't mean your horse is going to be sent right through or over that obstacle that water, but you could send them up to it and you want to make it playful. Yeah. You want to make it a good experience. So yeah, I'll use whatever the dogs will help. Other horses will help. When I had my pond built in, it was really cool. Sundance was always the most courageous with stuff, especially on the trail ride. And she was a first one, she was three, she was new to me. They were all, my three horses were new to me at the time.

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 14s):
And she went straight and she just started palling and playing. And then she was laying down like a water buffalo trying to roll. And then the boys went right into the dogs were already in there. So yeah, we're making that a positive experience association. And then there's always social connection engagement between you and the horse. And if you can get other horses or your dogs that that'll help tremendously. Great question. Okay. So we talked about three to six months and at that point you definitely want to have a, the haul, train them, taking the halter off.

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 49s):
I do not believe in leading a health journey, especially if you're developing a young horse, the way that I'm teaching you, your relationship is going to be amazing. So I don't want to leave, especially halters where they can get their feet stuck or get caught, but you want to be able to take the halter on and off. You want to start attaching the road and working with them, coming with you. It's kind of like the way I've trained my dogs. I didn't train with treats my dogs either. And I didn't force them. You know, I didn't have a harsh color on them or I didn't force them.

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 23s):
They came with me when my dogs learned to be tough, to be led on a leash. They came with me. And so with horses, it's the same principle. Come on, come on, come on. Now, add a little bit of that pool with the COVID. Come on. So the whole association with the pool, there's no opposition. Do you see how it's going about this? Totally different. It's so counterintuitive to what you're being taught out there. It's so different to you guys. So it's not about pulling them and putting ropes behind their butt, pulling on the butt, pooling on the, the, you know, the behind the pole, the halter it's changing their, their association.

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 2s):
And you might need to do that in some situations, you always have those techniques to help, but you really want the horse to be open, to stay open learner, not to go into their self preservation mode of panic or freeze and just completely shut down. So those are some, some good things to keep in mind. When they're six months to a year, we were up in an hour already. They can start learning easy things like being ponied off of the mom.

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 33s):
I do not recommend if I am raising a mom and a baby together, I do not recommend separating them for a long time. You guys, and I'll allow them. Mom knows when to get them, stop them from a to wean them. The mother knows. So I have no problem. If it's two years in indefinitely before the age of two, the baby's gonna start being taken away from the mom gradually in, in, at that point, it's, it's in a way that they can still see each other. So they're separated, but not isolated.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 4s):
And, and at that point, I already have an amazingly strong bond with the baby. So there's really not a lot of panic that's going to happen. It's really horrible. The young horses, when they don't, they have no one else to bond with and they're completely stripped of their mother. So you can have other horses that can help with that separation. But it's, you know, I've had a lot of people ask me, well, I've got a six month old and I want to start training the mom. What do I do with a six month old right now? You gotta take the six month old with you.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 35s):
Or if you've got the round pen and around pens in a paddock area, allow the baby right there on the outside of the wrap pen where it can be right there and see mama. And you're right on the inside. That's going to be stressful and not believe me. And that might even be too much for you to handle mama and her worrying about the baby. So everything just depends. And it depends on your skill level. And it depends on what's going on the information. What do you do? Do you know what to do with that? And you can change stuff at any time. You could start off that way with mama in the round pen and the baby on the outside.

Caroline Beste (1h 12m 8s):
And it goes to hell, cause you don't know sometimes, Oh, I, I didn't expect that. No problem let them together, you know, do your best. And you just don't want to stress either one out, you know, and there's thresholds if physical distances of threshold. And so there's a lot of distance. It's going to be a big threshold. It's going to be a big stressor. So you've got to figure out the feel and timing of those thresholds. You get to play with them. And then, so that's six months to a year.

Caroline Beste (1h 12m 39s):
You're gonna start. You can, there's lots of things you can do with the baby that I, that you can do with the mamma. So you can, you know, read the mom right there in the round pen while you're starting to work on more leading with the baby in the round pen, or you can work on some just movement, so to speak. Cause they're still so young,

2 (1h 13m 3s):
You don't want to do.

Caroline Beste (1h 13m 6s):
Yeah, but you know, you can include mama or you can have somebody hold mama where you can lightly time mama, while you work the baby around mama and everything we're doing is leading and teaching the baby to back up in a way from you get comfortable with pressure, sending them out. We're doing all the basics to set them up for free lunging and lunging when they get older. And also we're developing the left brain. The young course, when you start doing these types of exercises with developing a cognitive ability, their confidence, and of course we've already been working on the relationship.

Caroline Beste (1h 13m 41s):
And then one to two years more education, light, round pen work at the walk. You know, you can start walking them around, seeing how they are with, with natural, either natural environment. You can take them for a walk down there. I mean, all of this, if you can handle your six month old to a year later, take them for a walk and use all of this partner, walking that I teach, backing them up, sending them, allowing them degrees, investigate trees, you know, take them outside of their comfort.

Caroline Beste (1h 14m 15s):
If they can handle it. A lot of times you guys get these Wayne lanes and they don't come with a mama, but if the mom's there, it's going to be hard. So you're going to have to kind of do everything with the mama for a while. Just know that the baby's learning and then separation is a whole nother thing. But if you guys have these six month old in yearly gains and they're already good with the halter and your teeth and teach him how to lead, teach him how to send, teach him how to back up and respect your space. Then you can start doing stuff with them on stuff, set up obstacles, take them for walks, include them in on everything.

Caroline Beste (1h 14m 51s):
But I want you to be safe. You know, they've gotta be able to respect your space and they have to work on these key core beginner exercises, or you're going to get run over, run down or dragged. I mean, this is a baby. One of the best examples. My blue is almost two and a half years old now. And because I don't like I'm with him every day, he gave a relationship every day, either a bathing them or grooming. We do small, subtle things for consistency to develop the good habits, but I don't round pen him.

Caroline Beste (1h 15m 22s):
I'm not doing any intense learning or education with them. We're just maintaining good habits right now in a good relationship. Good connection. So what happens? I'm leading him around and he hasn't been out with the big herd who he plays with. So I opened the gate and he goes flying out the gate because he forgets his online with me. And I usually go with it or I let the rope drift long enough and pull him back. And he's like, Oh crap. Sometimes he's like, you know, but he forgets and he's young and we haven't done a lot of anything else.

Caroline Beste (1h 15m 59s):
So those are kind of the things I'm trying to prepare. All of you to understand if you don't have any experience is what to predict with these young horses. You know, it's just like a young puppy. They're being so BD. And then they forget, they get all excited and they start jumping, right? They start jumping on you. It's like a young kid. I get my 12 year old, all excited. And he forgets, he forgets things. And then like in the pool this weekend, and he does some stupid things that could hurt me or hurt himself, but he gets excited.

Caroline Beste (1h 16m 29s):
And so, you know, you gotta be careful, you can't yell at them because you got them all hyped up. Whether it's your kid, your dog or your horse, you know, you've got to have some common sense with this stuff, because if I yell at him, he's kind of like, what do you mean? You just got, we just were having a great, happy time. I don't know what I did wrong. They forget so much of this. It's like, you can read so much until you got to experience it too. So that's stuff that isn't being taught out there, like how to prepare your mind for the unexpected and how to handle it.

Caroline Beste (1h 17m 4s):
It's one thing in these young animals, they're, they're gonna lose it every once in a while. Do not expect them to be totally obedient. And even if they're doing what you ask, there's still going to be this side or the other going on until it just becomes second nature to them ingrained in them. And that all depends on maturity level. You take years. One of the young horses that I bought as a five month old, that was a nephew to my great late smokey.

Caroline Beste (1h 17m 37s):
And I kept him a Colt until he was a year and a half old. And I sold them to my neighbor only when they signed the contract, that he would stay in development with me until he was under saddle at the age of four. But wait. So at a year and a half old, we had done Chelsea and I had done one of my apprentices. A lot of, you know, grew up with the environment and same kind of bonding.

Caroline Beste (1h 18m 8s):
And he definitely had been introduced. We really waited until about a year and a half. So he knew it was great with a farrier. Great with baby and great with being led. No problem with the basics. And then a year and a half, I decided, wow, you know, you've got a lot of thoroughbred kind of sensitivity in you, even though you're a registered paint. That's interesting. I know they look like a thoroughbred, like as pop up. His mom was a Brown and white Tatyana paint. So long story short, I'm like, it's, well, you need more, you need more discipline to kind of get you to think more.

Caroline Beste (1h 18m 42s):
Instead of being turned into more of a reactive course with a sensitivity level. And so we started to put him into a weekly training, same stuff, but life light no more than a half an hour. And eventually I was sitting on him there, back in with his real culture and just teaching him to just stand and me all over him and loving on him and teaching to go teaching to steer and teaching to stop.

Caroline Beste (1h 19m 12s):
And so maybe three days a week at the age of two, I wrote him for 15 minutes, no Sal how? No, no way. No bit. Never, but just teaching him the basics that are going to be so important in how to become responsive to those basics so that you're not kicking to go pulling to Whoa or trying to get him to stand still at the mounting block. And there were many days where he was really up, so to speak and we didn't ride, I didn't ride him.

Caroline Beste (1h 19m 42s):
I didn't get on. And we just did lots of slow methodical work to get to like reprogram we wire his brain. So there's, there's a lot. We teach a lot of that in the young horse course. And then of course the MasteryMembership. So I'm going to be wrapping it up guys, and we're going to continue the rest of this for tomorrow. Plus we've got even more to talk about. Do we have any more questions? All right. Well, thank you. We are also going to be including both these podcasts in our starting on course course, to add to that course.

Caroline Beste (1h 20m 19s):
So if any of you, I'm going to give you some links to these courses that are going to teach you so much of this. Oh my gosh. Amazing stuff. And thank you. We look forward to seeing you guys tomorrow may always be one with your course. Okay. Bye. Bye.