Starting Young Horses, Part II: How to Begin Your Horse's Education & How to Problem-solve

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Sabrina Arbogast (10s):
Welcome to Everything Horses & More! Podcasts, educating, liberating, inspiring horse owners around the world. Join our live radio show and a revolution in horse care, handling, training, and achieve the life, relationship and ride of your dreams. Every week we bring you education, expert advice and inspiration about horses, training and living authentically. We spend time diving in deep talking about complex areas in horsemanship, such as horse psychology, biological behavior and nurture the real secrets to being safe with horses and how to achieve the best relationship and right of your dreams with your horse. And that's not all, we also get real and honest about our personal lives and experiences sharing what's worked and what hasn't about. Everything related to horses and more weekly podcasts are stream live every Wednesday at 12:00 PM. Eastern Standard Time on the Tao of Horsemanship Facebook page. Podcasts are hosted by Caroline Beste and co-hosted by Sabrina Arbogast. Guests are invited periodically hope you can join us and our revolution in horse care, handling, training and living.

Caroline Beste (1m 20s):
Welcome back. All right, so this is a really fun episode today and yesterday. So today we're going to have a continuation of yesterday's topic and discussion. And yesterday we were talking about starting young horses, part one specifically how and when to develop them. So do you guys hear that? Come on girls, I two new additions to it.

Caroline Beste (1m 56s):
Your family, this little one is Babu in this little one is Simba now, baby. No. All right. Okay. Sorry about that, everybody, but they're just starting to get used to going outside and they're indoor cats, but I want them to be able to be outside with us and enjoy nice. Enjoy the outdoors and be normal cats.

Caroline Beste (2m 27s):
Right. Not cooped up inside all the time. All right. So I'm so sorry for that interruption. Nice to meet little kittens here. So let's get back to today's discussion part two of starting young horses. And I mean, I could spend a whole week on this. So for anybody that wants more information aside from yesterday's podcast and today's podcast definitely check out our starting young course course. And of course our MasteryMembership Program, which is huge and dedicated to developing horses you so that you can learn your horse and develop your horse from start to finish.

Caroline Beste (3m 6s):
And the MasteryMembership Program is so comprehensive. It's for all horses, all ages, all breeds, all disciplines. It doesn't matter. And the reason is, I mean, there's many reasons why it doesn't matter, but it develops the horse in a way and develops you in a way as a team so that you're both balanced and confident and balanced emotionally and balanced physically as a rider- and then of course your horses movement, it's just really amazing program.

Caroline Beste (3m 40s):
And because like last week, we've ventured into the science of connection and social engagement with horses. I got into a lot of the science and I've been writing about this for years and some published articles, but most specifically writing about trauma and the nervous system and how horses recover because that's one of my specialties. So the mastery membership program is not only a foundation of riding foundation program. Wow. What a great place to start your horse, right.

Caroline Beste (4m 10s):
And develop them. It also helps you restart your horses. And the cool thing about it, as far as restarting horses, is it, it teaches you how to reregulate. And that's such a key word when we're dealing with trauma and the nervous system, both in people and in horses. And so all of the lessons are so geared to diving in deep in the mastery membership program, deep with connection and learning how to learn and communicate with your horse and doing it together.

Caroline Beste (4m 43s):
And so while we have mechanics and you learn the mechanics of movement, the biomechanics, we really take each lesson and break it down because there's so many subtle nuances that are so important to the learning process. And so often as we are humans designed to be very linear in our thought process, we get too attached to the mechanics to attach to the goal, to attach to a linear process.

Caroline Beste (5m 14s):
So the program really teaches you to think more like your horse, and then it also develops your horse to think. So it's pretty cool. You get this really deep, spiritual experience and relationship. And at the same time, at the same time, it's also developing the left side of your horses brain. It's pretty powerful. And then there's the whole nervous system and the regulation or the reregulation producing endorphin, getting your horse away from the adrenaline. So it's a great place to rehabilitate or restart your horse as well.

Caroline Beste (5m 47s):
And I can't say enough about it. You know, every podcast I'm going to be talking about the courses and specifically this one, because it has been my whole life's work. My whole life's work is the mastery membership. You guys, it's taken probably 10 years to produce this hundreds and hundreds of step by step video lessons and additional bonuses. Not to mention the private Facebook group where I do weekly Q&A webinars every Friday. And it's a great support for everyone all over the world that joins the program and wants to be with a community of like mind.

Caroline Beste (6m 23s):
All right, enough about that. So yesterday was how, and when did you start your young horse and we're going to continue how to develop good habits. We specifically talked about bonding and developing the relationship in the very beginning. That was number one. Number one is bonding and relationship. It's not about throwing getting the halter on your own horse and teaching them how to lead good luck with that because the older they get, the bigger they get, and if they don't trust you and they don't feel safe with you and they don't want to connect with you, then you're going to be manhandling them.

Caroline Beste (6m 54s):
And don't listen to this podcast, cause that's not what it's about. And I think too, we started to talk a little bit yesterday about language and getting away from the word training and thinking more about developing, evolving, developing your course, you developing along with your horse and this whole evolutionary process. We were just talking about it again this morning, Janine and me about just animals in general. You know, I was talking about my older cat Willow.

Caroline Beste (7m 25s):
Who's up at the house and he's outside all day on the porch. And sometimes he comes down and visits me and, but yeah, then he's inside at night. But the point is, is he's one of the smartest cats I've ever had and I've had a lot of cats, but I also believe like I do w looking for all these patterns, with all of my animals, it's also how much the social connection. He's been such a big part of my life, my 14 year old cat, like my everyday life, whether I'm working in the office or I'm outside.

Caroline Beste (7m 58s):
And he grew up with my two late dogs made my labs. So he spent 14. Well, they were two when, when I got him as a kid and, but he, he, he lived with us. He was outside with us. He did everything with us. And so the dogs also with that, that huge bonding all the time with me and social connection, especially Sydney, she was wicked smart. You know, we all have different intelligence levels of intelligence. Definitely. And Sid was one of those really special dogs too, where she just got everything.

Caroline Beste (8m 30s):
She's always connected. She read my mind. My cat does too. And I'm just wondering Janine and I were talking about the two kittens. We were just wondering, you know, Sabrina, how are they going to turn out? It's neat to watch them grow up. And I want them really bonded with me. Like they also, they live in the office with me during the day, but I'm helping them get comfortable coming outside so they can be the best outside too. And now they're in the guest house where we're doing a podcast, so, and they come, they know, you know, good at training, good at developing.

Caroline Beste (9m 3s):
They come when I call. So you have a working on all of that. So it's going to be interesting to see how they evolve. But I think the, you know, the point I'm trying to get at, with all of our animals and just like children is that stimulation. And we talked about that a lot last week. It's part of the nervous system, you know, the biological aspect of development. It's not about the science. It's about what really goes on inside intrinsically within our body emotionally, when we're stimulated and we feel good and I'm in the animals, just get more intelligent.

Caroline Beste (9m 37s):
The more they're connected, the more they pick up on your behaviors and your expressions, seeing with your baby horses and honest to God, they're reading you, especially when you're consistent. You know, you show up the same way all the time. Then they, they can read, start reading them, spatial expressions, and obviously the body language, I little girl, so forth and so on. And we're here to take questions for all of you that aren't familiar with. Our style here. Sabrina is here to take Q and a she'll raise your hand.

Caroline Beste (10m 9s):
If you guys have got a question about young horses, I'm going to pick up where we left off yesterday. Yesterday, we talked about the two critical areas for me when I want to get to know a young horse, when I wanna get to know any horse, this can, this could be for any age, but we're specifically talking about young horses, bonding, and relationship developing that. So the horse trusts you and wants to connect with you. That makes development, AKA training.

Caroline Beste (10m 42s):
So easy. You guys, honestly, and then second is starting to create good habits or habit modification. And that can go with any age, especially when they're coming in, they're new to you and new to your lifestyle, so to speak with your, your animals and your farm. So that was number one. And then the next topic was what should a young horse learn right away? So we went through that and then the next topic was what type or level of training is age appropriate.

Caroline Beste (11m 14s):
So I started off with imprinting newborns and then three to six months, six months to a year, and then one to two years. And then the last topic, well, we didn't get it. So the last topic on this page, but we didn't get to the next topic. And that was wind. Should I separate mom and baby? I get this all the time. And I talked a lot yesterday. If about, if you have the mom and the baby, if they're both yours, then I'm for separating for a while you guys, but so often we buy or get really young bowls or weanlings, or they're a year old.

Caroline Beste (11m 52s):
And they've already been weaned are already been separated from mama. And I can't emphasize enough how devastating it is for young horses to be separated. Nobody talks about it. And I mentioned it yesterday by talking about studying horses in the wild like I've done and how naturally in the wild they allow the fulls, both the male and female, you know, the fillies and the little young colts say allow the folds to stay within the herd for a long time, up to two years easily.

Caroline Beste (12m 30s):
Now the culture kicked out for obvious reasons. They've got to go find their own band of mares that we don't want them competing or inbreeding competing with a stallion or embracing. But the fillies they'll often come back because the social connection, engagement and family is means so much to them. And that just is one of the reasons why horses are so socially intelligent. They are just masters at being able to develop a really healthy, balanced society, a herd.

Caroline Beste (13m 4s):
And so if you're raising mama and baby in, this is just thinking outside the box and we started talking about it yesterday, you know, start to first, my first question is what, how much does your mama horse know? Is she just a brewed mayor? Is she retired? Does she have a lot of experience or education with this, that and the other? Is she young? Is she older because the mother is going to influence the baby? Absolutely. And so you want to be really like, if you, if this is your baby, and you're really excited about this young horse and it could be, you know, baby, or it could be just a young horse, how can you set yourselves up for success?

Caroline Beste (13m 44s):
And it doesn't just mean how can you and the baby be set up for success. It means how can you set your environment up to help support what you're doing? That is so key. And so often in our horsemanship in general, we, it negates, you know, our environment negates. It works against us because we can't get to see our horses enough. The horses live in an environment that might be too stressful for them to deal with. They might not be able to form really healthy bonds with other horses and social engagement because they're by themselves all the time, either stalled or they're in a paddock, or they only get exposure to one horse.

Caroline Beste (14m 24s):
I mean, there's so many areas to think about you guys to helping a horse be really emotionally, socially balanced, and especially a young horse and, you know, being a pioneer in this industry of equine training and instruction. If I really want you guys to think about what I'm talking about, I think off the top of your head, when you hear this, you're like, Oh yeah, I get that. That makes sense to me. But I, through my evolution and my continue continued learning and study and just learning all the time, I'm constantly amazed what I thought.

Caroline Beste (15m 4s):
I knew. Like I knew it on one level. And then when I really dive in deeper in it and think about an experience, what we're talking about right now, I see, I see the effects even more. I see the power of thinking like this, the positive, even more for your young horse and making, you know, my whole pursuit here is how can we make training or developing horses, easier for the person and the horse? How can we make it easier and definitely joyful and in relationship and not challenging?

Caroline Beste (15m 40s):
How can we just not make it challenging? I mean, that's been a pursuit of mine. And so that's where I'm headed with this conversation is how can we set things up so that we're not feeling like we're fighting or forcing our horse to do stuff. And unfortunately, predominantly everything that's out there. I don't even care if it's labeled natural horsemanship, it's still about forcing and making in mechanics and mechanics. You know, I watched some of my fellow equine professionals out there.

Caroline Beste (16m 16s):
You know, I tell you guys all the time on a weekly basis, as a professional in a marketing person, I'm always looking at my competition, so to speak, and it's not really competition. Cause I'm pretty much doing my own unique thing here, but I'm still it's competition because we're in the horse industry and I am competing. I'm trying to compete against all the other ideas and practices and methods out there. And even the more popular ones, I mean, majorly tons, more popular than I am.

Caroline Beste (16m 49s):
It just blows my mind. When I look at their horses on film and I just see horses that are tolerating, what's going on. They're well behaved, but they're not happy. They're not talking to the person they're not in, they're not expressing. Like if you look at my videos and this will be for my followers because you guys get it. But you look at my videos on YouTube. And whether I'm with one of my horses, for several of them, they are engaged with me. Aren't they they're always engaged. And how does that show up?

Caroline Beste (17m 20s):
You know, they're always paying attention. They're alive. They're not, or lovey made a minute though. Love is usually sleepy before I ask her to do something. But even when she wakes up and I asked her to do something and if I'm riding her, she turns around and touches me and closes her eyes. And she wants that connection. They all do though. And if I'm on the ground, you know, she's wrapping around me or the other one is, or they're fighting over me, but they're always engaged in it just really bothers me.

Caroline Beste (17m 50s):
It breaks my heart because I'm trying to chain everybody's level of consciousness and awareness. And I seen all these other horses just standing there dead in motion was not to mention most of the horses aren't even moving correctly. You know, there isn't any, I don't like their top lines. I don't see a lot of muscling. I don't see a lot of really good, healthy movement, not to even mention what the rider looks like.

Caroline Beste (18m 22s):
So when I separate mom and baby, we already talked about that. If you can, that was in yesterday. If you can, and you've got the mama and the mama is a pretty well chained horse, and then whatever you want to teach the baby, make sure that the model of news, because remember horses by nature instinctively are social learners. So they learn from each other, give me one that they learn from each other. Thank you. And so if the mom's afraid or the, mom's not sure, 99% of the time, that's what the baby is going to of course pick up on because instinctively he's going to learn and follow his mother because she's supposed to be teaching him the best survival skills.

Caroline Beste (19m 5s):
So you gotta make sure mama's in the right place. And if you have a baby that's already been separated, then who are they being surrounded by? Who are they learning from? And because I am a professional trainer, meaning I'm not just a backyard trainer and I've got one to three horses and I'm dabbling around with all of this because I've worked with thousands of horses and I've seen the consistency is, and I've seen this work well with every type of situation, meaning my way of working.

Caroline Beste (19m 36s):
I've seen it work well, every horse, every horse, I know how detrimental it is for these horses, all of these young horses to be able to feel safe, emotionally, to be able to be comfortable in during their learning process. I'm not saying you can't push them out of their comfort, a little out of the habits, that habits that they might've formed. Trust me, that's a whole other episode that we're going to get into a little bit more today is what do you do with the challenging young horses, but these horses need operate in an open learning frame of mind, to the best of your ability.

Caroline Beste (20m 20s):
And often when we're dealing with the young horse, that's comes with some negative habits and challenges, and we'll get into that later on in this episode, we've got to work through those challenges before we can get to that place of the horse feeling safe. So it kind of gets worse and ugly before it gets a lot better. And that's because if you know what you're doing, you're helping the force. Let go. It gets uglier and harder only because you're helping the horse or you're making the horse in a good way.

Caroline Beste (20m 50s):
Let go of old habits and patterns that don't serve them well, but they hang on to because that's all they know, that's their comfort, just like people. And again, I can't emphasize enough when you guys just sit with this and let it resonate. What we're talking about. It's so powerful. It's such a mental game changer to our whole mindset and how we approach horsemanship in horsemanship.

Caroline Beste (21m 22s):
When you look it up, the definition is really the art of writing. It's really learning how to rush. Just know that we can hear you every time you do that.

Sabrina Arbogast (21m 30s):
Turn off the microphone. So

Caroline Beste (21m 31s):
Going to pick it up over here too. So just go get the squirt bottle of he needed. I was trying to look for it. It's in the office close by. Yeah. Okay. What's your question real quick.

Sabrina Arbogast (21m 40s):
You could do that. All right. One of them have to Diane. I have a two year old that was acquired from the neglectful cruel owner. I have yet to get a lead rope on her. If I do, she goes crazy. Now I bring lead rope in with me. She's curious. Do I just keep doing this gradually? Or you could get this. Yes.

Caroline Beste (22m 1s):
All right, Diane. Great question about your neglected to your role that you now have. That's definitely afraid of the lead rope. That's, that's a shame. So just know that that's not normal. So something's happened to her. And the reason why I bring this up is because it's a lot more challenging than, than you think right now. Yes. You could take the path of least resistance as I call it and just keep bringing in all your tools and equipment. Like I said yesterday, and making that part of you in her experience with you, which is positive, right?

Caroline Beste (22m 34s):
So she makes a positive association, but it's going to take such a long time. And that's that's one way, definitely. And then slowly, you know, you'll wait until you have that, those moments together where she can start smelling the lead rope and then you can start rubbing the lead rope. The key with that approach is doing a lot of touching. Make sure you touch the horse. That's afraid a lot because you want them, as I said yesterday, really get familiar, comfortable, feel safe, and connect with your touch, your energy, your voice, your touch, because it's going to be so much easier to then bring that piece of equipment or tool like your brushes, your fly spray, and this little baby's skeptical with everything.

Caroline Beste (23m 23s):
So it may not even mean that she was abused with the lead rope probably was tied down. God knows beat with it, but anything you bring that she's not familiar with, she is not going to trust. So she's got to really trust you first. And then you'll just those other things will be an extension of you and you'll do it very slowly. So if you've got a lot of time and of a lot of patients, absolutely. But if he's dumped and some of you don't because you've got to get these guys haltered and ready for the farrier or shots, or just to be handled, you got, it's a step by step process.

Caroline Beste (24m 4s):
And I can't get, there is no one technique or strategy to help you. That's what the mastery membership program is all about there isn't. And often my students like yesterday are usually on these podcasts. And they'll tell you, they'll tell you the address. I've got a couple of my students who have gotten into horses later in life. Now that they have time. And a couple of them have one is a one year old, wild feral youngster.

Caroline Beste (24m 35s):
So she's going through the same thing with you, but she's had no bad experiences because she and her husband had watched this young Philly, you know, since she was basically born. So there weren't really, she's just wild and very feral. And the mother died and they took the baby. And then I've got some other students that have acquired, you know, abused, messed up youngsters as well. And they don't trust anything as youngsters. So they're learning through the mastery membership program step by step, how to develop the relationship and the trust, and then how to add, you know, how did it, how to add by bringing the tools and equipment.

Caroline Beste (25m 15s):
But then when you get into these major challenges where you get stuck, you know, how do you progress? How do you push through that? Where it's safe. And then you've got a ton of support through study guides and practice sheets in supplemental reading, as well as the weekly live webinars. So that's a tough, you know, unless you want to take the path of least resistance and you're still gonna need some coaching, which I offer you then have to learn. You really need to learn because it's a specialty.

Caroline Beste (25m 45s):
You know, we abilitative, horses is a specialty, you guys, and it should not be taken lightly. It is like going to get your master's degree or your thesis in psychology. And I, you know, it, it, it really is a specialty and it bothers me that a lot of people are out there trying to teach everyone some simple techniques and strategies like desensitizing. I'm sure Diane, how many people that told you to just desensitize the hell out of her with the, with whatever it is, the lead road or her out or tire down and throw her down.

Caroline Beste (26m 18s):
I mean, it's just, it's horrible. I call it a rape of the emotions. You know, people are just raping these horses all the time, emotionally and mentally. It's it's disgusting. So you liked my method. You liked my style. You have it. You want a gentle way. You've got the path, path of least resistance. It's going to get you only so far though. Trust me. There's going to be that point where you're going to need more guidance. How do you push past that comfort? That gets you both stuck, but great question. I hope I was able to help. Yes, we have another one.

Sabrina Arbogast (26m 49s):
Yes. Delia, Yes. When is the best time to introduce Bella to the hurt? She has been in the round pen for one month and cannot see hurt. Mama died during birth with Bella inside Penn and wasn't ween as you know, still not hauled to train all work done on Liberty. I'm not in a hurry. Just gathering information.

Caroline Beste (27m 9s):
So great question to tell ya. So I think when you and I had our coaching calls, if I remember correctly, I was hoping that the round pen would be in the middle of a pasture so that the horses could be around the round pen. I didn't want the round pen, and I know you don't always have those choices. Cause sometimes around pens are already built or the position in a certain place, but ideally you would, you would want the round pen in the middle of a pasture or at least be able an enclosed area to feed the herd.

Caroline Beste (27m 40s):
And we had discussed this in the very beginning, feed the herd around the round pen. And that way they can, this should have been done. I'm sorry, but we discussed this in our coaching call a while ago. It should have been done immediately. There was no reason to separate them or isolate them because young horses have, they'll have so much separation anxiety to begin with. So definitely if you've got a perimeter around the round pen start feeding, and if you don't then bring in the other horses by hand in halter and lead rope and start giving them flakes of hay or feeding them so that she can start to smell them and they can get to know each other and start to become familiar with each other.

Caroline Beste (28m 22s):
And I think in that conversation that we had, if not over repeat myself, of course, you know, you'll have people ask often, well, how do I know if my horses are going to get along? You know, if I'm introducing horses, you'll know by their facial expressions, there's nothing wrong with squealing. There's nothing wrong with striking out and posturing and talking what's you'll know, black and white. If they don't like each other ears will go back, they'll pin their ears and they will go to bite or double barrel kick.

Caroline Beste (28m 55s):
So, so they will be aggressive and that is aggressive behavior. And it's going after by biting or double barrel kicking butt Pauline and posturing, and you know, squealing is very normal and that's the way horses act. A lot of people don't know that and they get scared and then they try to take the horses and separate them. No, even if they paw and striking and nail each other doesn't hurt. So you just don't want to see flattened ears, you know, and the teeth barred as well as double barrel kicking.

Caroline Beste (29m 33s):
Well, Nope. Can here. I don't want to spray it down off the table, but yes, absolutely. The sooner, the better you guys, one of the little tricks I've learned, I've learned to many and I hate to say tricks, but a little secrets tricks that I've learned over the years is horses that don't like each other I'll staple them. I won't not corral them because they can lunge after each other over the fence and get hung up on the fence or break boards and get hurt. But if I can stall them and I've always had that ability, I will stall them next to each other.

Caroline Beste (30m 6s):
And I will also, because I've had a behavior training center, might my staff, as well as my students and me, we're always around during the day that these two horses that didn't like each other stalled. So we could interrupt any negative behavior, like kid kicking at the stall walls or lunging at each other. You know, we could interrupt it, but it takes about two weeks and they start, they all, every one of them started to form a friendship and then we were able to put them in the pasture together.

Caroline Beste (30m 37s):
So that's another little trick for you guys if you had that opportunity, but don't do it in round pens or pastures or paddocks because they can knock the pen down. They can climb on it and get caught up in it. They can climb on the fence. You know, maybe if you've got four feet between the fences, but still being close to each other like that and being feeding them and it brushing them in a, in a stall scenario is really amazing to change the dynamics.

Caroline Beste (31m 8s):
All right. Anybody else?

Sabrina Arbogast (31m 9s):
That was it.

Caroline Beste (31m 11s):
Awesome. All right. Let's see if I can get through this and get into the next sheet of paper. So here's a couple of questions. I'm going to go through some questions that I've been calm. You know, I get asked all the time, actually, what is the most important aspect of training and courses? What's the most important aspect, developing evidence. Again, this is always said and promoted, but do you guys really get what that means?

Caroline Beste (31m 40s):
So trusting confidence, it doesn't mean through desensitizing. It doesn't mean that trust and confidence has everything to do trust with the relationship and rapport building. So you've got to get that connection. That's social engagement with your horse. The two of you that friendship, that relationship and confidence has everything to do with a lot of things. Leadership, consistency, clarity from you, how you show up consistently, the confidence has a lot to do with the horse.

Caroline Beste (32m 13s):
Developing the horses. Competence means you develop them as, as an open learner. So when you're teaching them, when you're educating them, when you're developing the young horse, you have to make sure that whatever you, they are learning, that you take the time to make sure that they are open. That's the key, the minute you start rushing or pushing, and then that's hard. Cause there's a whole feeling timing to pushing you. You want to push, we all need to get pushed, to grow, to evolve, to step out of one comfort level into a new one to develop patterns we all need.

Caroline Beste (32m 53s):
But there's that whole feeling timing, which you should respect, because if you don't have experience with young horses, where are you going to get the feeling timing? And so education by studying, paying attention, taking a course, being mentored by someone like me, you can't do it alone. You guys, because developing a horse's confidence means you've got to have the experience to know, to have that feeling timing, to have it.

Caroline Beste (33m 24s):
And it takes time, you know, for all of you out there that are new to horses. And now you've got these young horses take your time. How do you think I learned it doesn't happen overnight? There's no way you're doing a huge disservice to the horse. And to yourself in all these idiots out there setting you up for failure, like thinking you can learn off of one YouTube video or one short course, everything you need to learn about horses. No, maybe one specific topic or one specific area, but you can't learn it all.

Caroline Beste (33m 58s):
It takes years. And that's the biggest disservice that our horses are getting today. And we, as students of the horse are learning today and the great masters from years ago, a hundred years ago, they knew this even the great masters that are here today still. And who would they be in my mind? Well, they'd be primarily. I always refer to the Spanish school of writing because they take eight years to develop their horses and they don't start them until they're four and they start them on the ground.

Caroline Beste (34m 35s):
There is no riding for years, no riding, no rider until that horses movement is developed. We're actually going to talk about this when we film our next video after this podcast for Friday. So it takes a year or just give yourself the time, take your time. That's why I offer these step by step programs so that it can, they guide you and they give you permission to take time. And in addition to the program, you've got all this other supplemental coaching and guiding.

Caroline Beste (35m 7s):
So competence is a big deal and it's not, it's not what y'all think it is because of the way it's been bastardized and misunderstood and missing and interpreted with a lot of our training today. Confidence for the horse. Isn't about the sensitizing. Okay. Competence means that you're teaching the horse in a way that allows them to process what's going on and become confident with what's going on to in a competent learner, shows up with interiority.

Caroline Beste (35m 40s):
With curiosity, that's a confident learner. Horses by nature are curious, and we're the ones that Rob them of that and take that away from them immediately because we either abused them. When Nan handled them, they frightened them. Or now we're being trained to just push, pushing, be very linear in our training, very linear. So I'm really trying to give you guys the history of the horse and the true psychology and nature of horses. So everything you do when you're developing a horse young or older is to encourage curiosity is to encourage confidence.

Caroline Beste (36m 17s):
How does competence show up you going slow and paying attention and making sure that your horse is engaged? You know, the guy be paying attention. And with that engagement that they are, that you're able to read them and see when they are starting to lose their confidence when it's time to back off approach and retreat retreat. And when it's time to accept that slightest try rewarded. And now can we go back to learning and see if I can't build your confidence even more?

Caroline Beste (36m 52s):
So what is the number one problem facing young horses and training backyard trainers or horse owners with no experience starting young horses or even specializing in problem solving. They don't realize what goes into developing a well rounded, balanced horse. And it starts right with what I'm talking about. Trust in competence. It's way more than a few rides. You guys are 30 days, even more than 90 days of training.

Caroline Beste (37m 28s):
So what about 30 day training? What's that all about? That's a bunch of b******t and I pretty much call it mental, emotional and physical rape. I mean, I've had it, I've been saying this for years, but now putting it out there on these podcasts, but it's really, I've gotten all of these young horses and they've come to me back after this type of training as two year olds, three, four, even six year old, seven year olds, and they're complete, and they've already been to a couple of different natural horsemanship trainers, or this person came highly recommended and the horses completely blend most of the time is 30 day training because when you buy a horse from a trader or a sale barn, you know, they're looking to flip these horses guys, come on, you ain't buying it from a master, not buying it from somebody.

Caroline Beste (38m 27s):
We can't afford it in those, in those great masters that put all these years into their horses. They deserve to get paid for that time. And that, that knowledge and you better get what you're buying. And I know clients that have paid 20,000 and up for these amazing well breed and Andalusian, and I've worked with them there. They pay that kind of money for their temperament. Yeah, absolutely. Or they come trained already and they're pretty, pretty well trained in my book.

Caroline Beste (39m 1s):
They really are no bad habits. Yeah. They could use a hell of a lot more connection and at ease, but these horses are pretty good. They're paying top dollar and there's very few, very few out there. So unfortunately you get what you pay for. I'm sorry, can't say it enough. 30 day training is for people that want to flip these horses quickly. And so the gaited horse gets it. The worst I have worked with every gated breed multiple times over and the Tennessee Walker in the Rocky mountain, get it the worst because especially the Rockies, they are red for their temperament and temperament big time.

Caroline Beste (39m 46s):
They were just supposed to be almost like the photo horse and they gated world. So, and because of that, they get abused because they're so easy going and calm. Naturally, they come in at two to these training, AKA training barns. And what do they do? They send them out on the trail immediately. So the horse is immediately overwhelmed, overstimulated, AKA over faced because it's got so much going on or they put them into this obstacle course training and they gate the hell out of them the whole time.

Caroline Beste (40m 25s):
So they're revved up all the time. And so the worst doesn't know how to walk. Doesn't know how to be quiet and calm and relaxed. And it's just horrible. I can't even tell you how many times I've had to retrain horses, gated horses like that. So we really need to pay attention to what's out there. And there's too much of it like this out there, way too much of it. There's not enough that people like me there just isn't.

Caroline Beste (40m 55s):
So, you know, I'm constantly why I call it a revolution, trying to change, educate and open people's eyes to before you buy before you rescue. I think it's beautiful that you're rescuing. I do, but you can't save them all. And so many of you guys rescue these horses and God love you. Thank you. Thank you. If you don't have guidance by someone like me, it's going to be really hard and possibly dangerous. So just be smart about it.

Caroline Beste (41m 27s):
Be smart about it. So what is the number? So we are talking about the number one problem facing young horses is there's not enough education, okay. And everybody thinks we can just throw 30 days into it. Or you can just take a 30 day or 21 day course not enough education. Second problem with facing young horses is rushing them over, facing them over basing means you're overwhelming them. So just think the horses, one of the most highly tuned in attuned and tuned in sensory aware prey animal on our planet.

Caroline Beste (42m 6s):
I mean, it's survived millions of years. You read about the history. It's just fascinating not to mention. It's been alongside man this whole time. It's really cool. Then an amazing partner for man. So the problem that happens is we don't realize with that sensitivity level, there is intelligence level know horses absorb immediately like kids, they take in everything immediately, but depending on the young horses age, there's that age as a defining, developing, or changing, then you have your journey level.

Caroline Beste (42m 51s):
So if you have a two year old, are they just a two year old or are they a mature two year old or an immature teacher. But regardless of even understanding that complexity there too, so they may be able to get what you're putting out there, but they, you can't keep drilling it. You can't drill it. You have to know how much to apply every day and how much of it needs to be broken down into habits. Things that they're just done all the time, certain way by you, your staff, the horses handled this way all the time.

Caroline Beste (43m 27s):
Okay. That's how you form good habits. I walked down the, this morning, I'm down early and my girl Clarissa, one of my, my staff, my employees, we she's here at eight. My staff comes in at eight. Sometimes I'm down here earlier. And sometimes I help before I'd go into my office that I came down and then I went back up to the house like around nine, 9:30 to get something to eat. But when I came back, I don't know, nine 30, 10 o'clock.

Caroline Beste (43m 58s):
There was my two and a half year old cross tie. He was being bathed, any spades with the medicated shampoo because he just has horrible skin skin allergies right now. But it was just so beautiful. Of course he was looking at me from the house, watching you walk down. It was super beautiful to see him cross tie with a foot cocked, totally relaxed. You've been there at least 10 minutes while Clarissa was letting the medicated shampoo do its work while she did other things. And he kept looking at me, he's like, mama, it didn't move.

Caroline Beste (44m 29s):
He didn't act out or get antcy or act like a brat. Like, Oh, let me eat. He enjoys it. He didn't enjoy it. When he first came, I'm the one that made that change and then didn't make it by tying him. I made it. And then I made it so good. He can be baked at Liberty, but because Clarissa has to do other things and she can't stand there at Liberty with them the whole time. Plus he has to sit for at least 10 minutes, this medicated shampoo, which is beautiful. I'm just so impressed. And of course he got tons of kisses and then I gave him carrots, Oh God, yeah.

Caroline Beste (45m 2s):
Gave him carrots. So it's just taking our time not to rush our horses. And you know, here we have this two and a half year old. I had this two and a half year old and I know what he's able to handle mentally and emotionally and physically right now. And you know, obviously not riding him, I wouldn't ride him. He's not ready for it. I would, I got on karma now, karma Sabrina's little Philly. Who's the same age. And they were born here.

Caroline Beste (45m 32s):
Actually. We bought them both from the same owner. Karma had some, some challenges and she's in your starting young horse course and a lot of trust issues. So in 30 days I was able to put the first few rides on her, but just to make it a really excellent experience, nobody Sabrina's not riding her and karma was so calm and so receptive. I would have never done that with Blue. Blue is a little maniac.

Caroline Beste (46m 2s):
Blue is really intelligent horse and you can see it. He thinks he processes, but he's full of it. They have two completely different personalities, right? Sabrina, Oh 100%. I don't care how much skill level I have or experience, my body has been jammed up so many times over the years, not from falling just, and I don't ride bucking horses.

Caroline Beste (46m 32s):
It's undaunted. Sundance just killed me many, many years ago, my spine by freezing and then exploding underneath of me. And so she just jarred me so many times. So I I'm okay. I don't have any disc problems. I know I'm lucky you guys, because I didn't do it. I don't ride crazy horses. You know, we work 'em on the ground and do all this amazing stuff. And until we're there ready to be written, Blue's not ready.

Caroline Beste (47m 5s):
And it has nothing to do with training has everything to do with his age. You guys, every course is different. And you know, I want him to be a horse. I don't want to Rob that spirit and that fun and that playfulness from him, it's kind of like jelly reminds me of Joe Joe and in time. Yup. In time when I get back into developing him, when he turns three in March, I'm going to put them into some light training, more intensive learning. He's just not ready. He soaks it up. He doesn't forget it, but you can't drill it either.

Caroline Beste (47m 36s):
So I think the number two problem is just, we just rush on and it's what we're being taught. It's what we're being taught. And I think until you get a year in the mastery membership program, you can vouch for how slow I'm teaching you guys to go and not to feel overwhelmed or pressured by all the content there is to learn that there's no hurry. There's, you know, there's no hurry because you want it enjoy this process with your horse. It's different when you're learning. And you know, you're not a professional trainer.

Caroline Beste (48m 9s):
If someone and I have a couple of people in the course, the MasteryMembership Program that are professional trainers, so that it's easier for them to go through the lessons and just have more experience, you know, they're, they're like, Oh, yay. I'm familiar with this. I'm familiar with this. So it definitely adds to their repertoire.

2 (48m 28s):
You only, you only have to do it one time. It's not like you start your horse when they're young and then you have to do it again. When they're older, it's like you do it one time and develop that foundation. That's what the program is done. You're done.

Caroline Beste (48m 42s):
You're done. And it should take two years. At least it should for any horse discipline. Yeah. And he just assigned any age because that's where you have a foundation of knowledge, mental in muscle memory. We talk about it all the time. I mean, I don't have to keep working with my older horses to keep them in shape. Yes. We're out of shape. Cause I have not been, I have not been schooling or developing any of my school masters for a year and a half now. And we're waiting for the new arena and the cooler weather.

Caroline Beste (49m 14s):
And then we're going to get back into it. We're just at shape though. We don't forget a thing in our bodies. Don't forget. Right. So it'll take about two weeks of slowly getting that stamina back, but we know how to use our bodies correctly. When I watched my older horses move and play, they move and play the same way that I ride them. They are so balanced and collected. Aren't they suffering? Yes, absolutely. I turned this Holloway out, stressed out tight chopping movement into this really amazing to have the rudeness and collection.

Caroline Beste (49m 49s):
And, and so once they have that foundation of knowledge, education, mental, and muscle memory, they never forget it. And that's another huge fallacy that people are putting out there. And so you get all these young horses that go through these quick programs and yeah, they're learning, but are they retaining? Are they reading?

Sabrina Arbogast (50m 8s):
No. You go on vacation for a few weeks and you come back and it's starting all over again. Yes.

Caroline Beste (50m 15s):
It could be a four or five, six, seven year old fresh. I get this all the time. I was just so fresh. And I'm like, cause you don't have a foundation. Look, my worst is they know they can, they can have as much fun as they want, but scare me and don't do it around me. This is a great example. They can all be running back here and plan and I'll open up the back gate that opens up into the big 10 acre field. And every one, including the baby,

Sabrina Arbogast (50m 41s):
Well be lost him

Caroline Beste (50m 43s):
That gate running and kick in. They did, as soon as they get to the gate, they all stop say how low to me. Some of them, even weight and a score, I'll walk out with them, but they stop. They look at me, they get a love from me. They walk, then they take off the f*****g environment.

Sabrina Arbogast (50m 60s):
And if she would have a new phone, she wouldn't have to charge all the time. She could probably

Caroline Beste (51m 8s):
Where's my phone being charged. See what I mean? Yeah. But it's really cool. Yeah. I guess we'll start getting that. Once we slowed down with all this marketing and promotion this year, we've got plans to just capture more of the day to day stuff here, which is going to be a lot of fun and a lot of education to get you guys in on a, on a daily basis. Like what goes on, you know, you hear Caroline talk about this, but it's hard to imagine it. If you haven't seen it or experienced it, it's really hard.

Caroline Beste (51m 38s):
Yeah. It's just amazing. Okay. So let's move on. We're running out of time. So this is starting young horses, part two. How to begin your horses education and starting to problem solve. So one of the things, you know, we do need to consider, there's a reason why people breed horses, they breed horses for specific bloodlines, those bloodlines carry specific temperaments, specific mental and physical athleticism and mental agility.

Caroline Beste (52m 12s):
And we all know that we're just looking at the quarter horse again. I think specifically, you know, specific bloodlines of the quarter horse are going to tell you whether they're going to be Cowie really good with cows, really good with Rainey, really good with barrel racing. Even some of them make great sport horses with their versatility, great jumpers or Hunter, Hunter, pace, Hunter wreck with equitation. So you've got bloodlines. And so we have to really consider that. And then there's a lot of us like me that just rescue horses and you have no idea.

Caroline Beste (52m 43s):
You know, you don't have any registration papers. You can, if you know horses well enough, you can pretty much guess to me that this looks like an arrow. This looks like a quarter horse. This was like a cross. See, you know, a lot of us don't have that opportunity to know the bloodlines. But if you do, there's a reason and you need to look down at the bloodlines, not just at the sire and the dam, the dam being the mom, the mother and the sire being the father. You need to look down the line to who, who, how they're removed. Like who were the grandparents, great grandparents and other siblings.

Caroline Beste (53m 16s):
Because often these young horses just like us, I may be like my great aunt. I might be like more of my great grandmother than I am my mom or my same with your young horse. And so when we see, what else do you need to consider? Cause those bloodlines are gonna tell you a lot. And if you don't know, just cross it off, just cross it off until you can say, well, this is predominantly an error of acts like an error, higher sensitivity apps, more like a quarter horse calm or a little harder to get going so we can do some stereotyping.

Caroline Beste (53m 49s):
Absolutely. You guys. There's a reason for it. Even though we torso is an exceptional exception and an individual, but we can still do some, some stereotyping. Then you need to look at the learning aptitude of your young horse, the learning attitude and capacity. This is really hard. This is what I call an assessment or evaluation. And so now a mastery membership program sets my students up to developing the assessment. My assessments are pulled right from that program.

Caroline Beste (54m 20s):
And so you need to learn about this horse before you start teaching it, developing it, training it, you need to learn and you need to learn the mental and the physical. How is this young horse moving? You know, maybe it, they didn't have the right farrier work done. Maybe it has a bit of a club foot. Maybe it ran and pulled a shoulder muscle or a hip or a stifle when it was younger playing this stuff happened. And it's got it's off balance now because it's been carrying itself incorrectly.

Caroline Beste (54m 51s):
You'll know that by looking at how the horse moves. That's why a lot of people, when they go to buy horses, period, especially young horses, they really want to see how it moves. They want to see how it moves in all the gaits, but then there's the whole mental and emotional aptitude again. Soon as soon as either one of well, especially karma. Cause blue was a lot younger when I got blue. Yeah. He was eight months in karma, came at two. Karma was a disaster in the round pen.

Caroline Beste (55m 21s):
She won. And it was just a few times that her owner round pen, but she didn't know what she was doing. And you'll see it in the course in the book, you'll see it on the course. She was a disaster. It took me weeks. And I, and then I really did 30 days with her and Sabrina's making all the magic happen after that. So it's, it's crazy what you can do a few times the wrong, what you can do. So you got it where they are. And because karma was so upset, tighten in the round pen, which is where I like to do my assessments and disconnected.

Caroline Beste (55m 58s):
All she thought about was running, running, running money. No, I can't get her to move now. You can't get her to move. She don't want to leave. You know, she does. That's the way it should be. There. That's normal. That's the way it should be one that you want in that bond. It's perfect. So yeah. So where's the learning aptitude and because Karma was so frightened, I couldn't there wasn't learning. She was closed completely. She was not open. So when she's not open to learning, she's not confident. She's not going to learn. And so many of you, what do you do with horses like that?

Caroline Beste (56m 30s):
That's MasteryMembership come and teach you. So learning aptitude, this is often confused with learned behaviors. That's what we're talking about. So you see a horse starting to run around in the round pen and you may not know its history, but what if that seller the breeder? What if like that's who we got these two from Sabrina and Mia breeder. What if she just tried to put some what? Some grand pen techniques on it? Cause she was videotaping karma to seller and then she realized she screwed some things up.

Caroline Beste (57m 2s):
Pretty damn that that's why she sent her to me. So typically that's what breeders do. And it doesn't matter what age I have a student of mine up in Maine who was looking at a war, warLander breed. And that is a Friesian bread with an Andalusian. And so she was looking in eight months and she sent me a video or link to a video of the eight month old in the snow. And I just said to her that she looks pretty hopped up, you know, in, for a Philly Philly's yeah, definitely the young Colts, if they're still cold, eight months of age or the males are much more playful and expressive, but this Billy was a lot to handle.

Caroline Beste (57m 48s):
So she went to see the filly and definitely bought the Philly. And then when I came up there to work with them for awhile, this belief was so messed up. So what they didn't, we only saw one clip. I only saw one clip in the snow, not them working with the filly, just handling the filly. filly was rare enough and striking out and real full of herself. But what we didn't see was the training videos. They call them training videos of what they had done to this eight month old to get her to move in a big outdoor arena so they could film it for selling so that you could sell removement.

Caroline Beste (58m 26s):
So here you have the breeder, the breader bonded with her, just like what Sabrina said, young horse doesn't want to leave you. So what do most ignorant people too? They started beating on these horses to get them to move. They'll do anything to scare them. Well, I, by the time I saw the video of this eight month old or 10 month old at this point running around trotting around in her exuberant, he imagined region and delusion style in this big open arena.

Caroline Beste (58m 60s):
I knew something was wicked wrong with this young horse. And then when I came to visit this horse, this young horse could not, you could not lunch her freight. And she was attempting to go through the, the round pen panels. So we spent, because this is long distance I'm Florida. They were in Maine and I was being flown up many times and she was in the program that this took a year year to build this baby's confidence.

Caroline Beste (59m 33s):
Now granted, the owner was learning too. She's also was, she was listening to me. Step-by-step she's doing a fabulous job. And I was coming up every so many months to help tweak things and guide things and help them. This is serious stuff. You guys, and I see this happening all the time, young horses, older horses, it's just awful. And y'all think that's a behavior. So what's everybody trying to teach you out there. Oh, let's just change that behavior.

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 3s):
That's a behavior. Well, it is a learned behavior. The horse has now learned how to cope with that level of stress by running, because that's what it's been taught to do to avoid getting hit with the whip or avoid being over faced. Cause it's just way too much stimulation. So it's, I don't think I'm make clear clarifying this well enough. The difference between the nature, you know, learning your horses, real aptitude for learning, and then what you see, what you see is a learned behavior.

Caroline Beste (1h 0m 39s):
Most of the time, what you guys are seeing is created. It's a learned behavior. It's not really who your horse is because of this crappy training. It's just crazy. So while younger horses absorb learning like a sponge, they can only hope so much information before they get bored or over-saturated and over-saturated shows up predominantly with the shutdown.

Caroline Beste (1h 1m 12s):
Threes just shut down in board means you're going to act out and get frustrated and kick out at you. Squeal strike, leave you or start messing around with other things. And they're frustrated. And how many times have you been told that the horse was disrespectful? So now you're told to punish the worst when they just told you I'm done, man, I can't take anymore. And the way they express it has predominantly been called disrespectful.

Caroline Beste (1h 1m 48s):
And it's not, they're just telling you that you f****d up. I just told you how it looks, how it shows up and what it looks like. So what is the appropriate amount of time to teach them? This is based upon the following factors. Are you creating habits, ways of handling being handled every day, just like you would your dog, like, this is the way I want you to stand. This is the way I'd like you to come to me.

Caroline Beste (1h 2m 21s):
Are you creating these really good? Those are going to have to be done in several. Every time, every time horse has to be handled a certain the same way every day and often. So those are small increments. You have to be able to make it small and young horses can't handle intensive training. It's like a young kid. It's like sending your, your first grader in the third grade.

Caroline Beste (1h 2m 51s):
Very few, right? Very few are going to be able to right handle that they're very gifted. And even then they might not socially be able to handle it. Okay. Maybe intellectually, cognitively. Then there was a whole social and good point kids. So we have to be careful. You can't handle. It's why I'm not putting blue. If I were to put my, my really rambunctious spirited two and a half year old into intense training right now to quiet him, I break him like so many horses. Everybody. I would break them and then if be acted out, I punish them.

Caroline Beste (1h 3m 26s):
Right. I would run around even more right around, scare him a couple of times. So it's and he's he's on that look, he came anxious. He came Caribbean, he came buddy sour. He came with so many anxieties as an eight months. And I didn't even have to see those to know in my experience that's I could have created Crazy. We've got to slow down people. The great masters understood this because they truly respected and honored the horse and they never wanted to compromise the spirit, the mind, the emotions or the body.

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 7s):
They valued it so much. What is happened to us today? Your babies, their babies at four for God's sakes. It doesn't mean I'm not going to be riding at four, but I gotta make sure my horse is happy and sound and balanced emotionally and physically for God's sakes. And if I am choosing to work with them, let's just say five days a week, running them into the ground. Right.

Caroline Beste (1h 4m 40s):
All right. A couple more common questions before we wrap this up. When should I arrive? All depends. I ain't ride blue right now, but I got on karma too, but I'm not getting on blue. I might not get on blue until, well, he picks me up. I get permission, but I haven't done the necessary with blue to get him in the right mindset to just know that he can't, he can't have fun with me cause he'll hurt me.

Caroline Beste (1h 5m 10s):
Meaning I that's why I brought up Jojo. They don't want to hurt you, but they can get when you're on them and forget about it. I've already seen that on the ground with blue and I'm certainly not in any hurry. He's mine. You have to think about their spines. There's nothing wrong with putting, not putting a few rides on your horse. At the age of two, when I was talking about Jet, Smokey's nephew yesterday, being Chelsea and I starting him at my farm in Maryland as a year and a half, I was on as a, as a year lane at a year and a half old.

Caroline Beste (1h 5m 48s):
He was 17 hands still. I know his bones weren't developed, but I was just on and it was on and off. He was already picking me up on and off. Go stop button turn. And that's it. And believe me, it didn't happen often few times a week, two or three times a week because he wasn't mature enough to handle it again. Very spirited. But let me tell you something. By the time that young man, that young horse was four years old, you would have thought he was 10. He still had all the play.

Caroline Beste (1h 6m 18s):
He was inquisitive connected, but he was so mature because I went so slow. He was in steady handling and light training from one and a half. I think. What time when did, how old was he? When I moved to Florida, might've been six. It wasn't mine. A dear student friend bought him. They stayed, they stayed in training the whole time. It was so slow and there was no fighting.

Caroline Beste (1h 6m 48s):
Let's just, let's just do what we do today. Redirected and guide it. You keep doing it. It keeps sinking in through the consistency. It becomes a pattern, pattern, a recognition, a habit. You'll get it. It'll be there. The foundation was amazing. Mmm. So the ridinging all depends on the maturity level. The spirit level maturity levels, really Kate. So what does maturity mean? So karma and blue are the same age, but they're totally different.

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 19s):
Maturity levels. Totally different. Oh gosh. Yeah. And girls mature faster. So even the, and there's so much to do, honestly, with just being a mama, you need the DNA. They intrinsic innate ability to be a mother. You know, you're, you're always more focused. You take things more seriously. You have opinions. It's just, that's just females in general. Okay. You have a lot more responsibility.

Caroline Beste (1h 7m 49s):
Do I need to train in a bit? Absolutely not. And when you follow the great masters, they didn't either. And that's a whole nother podcast, but at all, those horses, upper level movements were all developed on the ground first and without a rider and the bits soul, the history of the bit and the bits sole purpose was just to rebalance the horse and look at what's happened today. It's used, it's used all the time to control the horse and to make the horse perform certain and movements that

Sabrina Arbogast (1h 8m 18s):
The gadget people come up with.

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 21s):
Oh my gosh, get the horses, mind you guys. And everything else, we'll get the heart and everything else will fall over and get the mind too. So what should my horse be learning at a certain age? I kind of covered that in yesterday's podcast. When I went through imprinting three months to six months, six months to a year, it goes in stages based upon their mental cognitive ability, just like young children. So you do have to understand that you can't just start throwing a two year old, like so many 30 day training places.

Caroline Beste (1h 8m 52s):
Do you just blowing them, blow, blow, blow. And then this is what happens to these young horses. They love if they don't comply and become submissive and shut down. If they don't freeze, if they go into fight or flight, that's when they get people get rid of them, they end up on kill lots. They end up in rescues neglected because the horse doesn't comply their spirit. They can't break their spirit, but if they can break their spirit, they keep them.

Caroline Beste (1h 9m 25s):
Then they want to sell them for even more money. So it's all about breaking the spirits. How do I create balance in my young horse? Well, there's balance of the mind there's balance emotionally and it's balanced physically and it takes time. And we always start physically at the wall. There's so much to do with the walk. The walk in the United States is the most under valued gait in a horse and in Europe. And I studied with some amazing instructors from your, especially becoming a working equitation instructor, the walk determines everything and it helps the horse inter size.

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 7s):
It helps the horse become through it helps supports actually collect. It helps the horse gain the level of balance so that and self carriage so that it can in the other gaits. And we don't get the walk enough credit. We don't spend enough time at the wall, not to mention, we don't go slow enough for a horse to not be all tight and to be relaxed in the movement.

Caroline Beste (1h 10m 37s):
And then another question I often get is how often do I train? I think it covered that. It really depends. Like I said, habits are most important. What are you doing? Or your staff, your students, what are they doing on a daily basis that keeps supporting reinforcing good habits? The way the horse is handled, the way the horse is ruined by spray led bayed bed. Those are all part of the habits applying medicine.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 8s):
It's gotta be the same. There's gotta be consistency and repetition. That's why I brought up blue in the be tied in the baby wrap, just waiting and enjoying. It was beautiful. Beautiful. And I didn't teach him to tie that's that's what's so crazy. I didn't teach him to tie. He has no reason to fear being Thai. Aha. He's not a pullback, but you don't have to teach at the time you get to teach him about pressure, got to teach them how to give to pressure.

Caroline Beste (1h 11m 41s):
You gotta teach them patience, patience, the two P's "pressure" and "patience" the horse's mind down and he'll enjoy being quiet. Give him pressure and teach him how to yield and give instead of oppose it. And he'll respect pressure. Pretty huge hump guys. All right. I think I covered a lot of material yesterday and today three, four pages talking points.

Caroline Beste (1h 12m 15s):
If you guys want to find out more join enroll in my Starting Young Horse Course, course you'll get to meet Sabrina's horse, my horse and another student's horse. There's three. And if you really want to learn the real deal from start to finish and take this journey with your young horse. Well into adulthood, joining the mastery membership program, you won't regret it. And it is the type of curriculum that needs to be taken slow.

Caroline Beste (1h 12m 47s):
And you need to enjoy it with your horse. We both need to develop there's no rush, no rush, self paced, self study and support. Alrighty, any questions? No. Mainly good. Yes. Well thank you for joining everything courses and more podcasts today where we are educating liberating and inspiring horse owners around the world. Look forward or look for us next week. I think next week we've got three days, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.

Caroline Beste (1h 13m 17s):
And let me see what we're going to be talking about next week. We are going to be talking about the MasteryMembership Program, but we're not really going to be talking about the mastery membership program we're going to be talking about on Monday the 14th of course, training the good, the bad and the ugly on Tuesday, the 15th, we're going to be talking about course training in the eyes and perspective of my master deteriorate master Nuno Oliveira.

Caroline Beste (1h 13m 47s):
He's no longer alive. And for a lot of us, he is the godfather of dressage. So we're going to be talking a lot about him, about his perspective, and then Wednesday the 16th. We're going to talk about how and where should we begin training? Very similar to today. Very similar. All right. Thank you everyone. Have a great rest of your week. I can't believe it's Wednesday.

Caroline Beste (1h 14m 18s):
We've got to head out to do some filming and starting to feel the fall finally. Yeah, I love it. Yes, me too. All right. Thank you. Everyone may be always be one with your horse. God bless everyone. Love you guys. Bye.