The University of Life
The University of Life podcast has become my personal collection of fascinating learnings from the people I meet and experiences I have as I explore life and journey deeper in to the space of business mentoring & life coaching.
The University of Life
The University of Life & Jim Doyle
With over 40 years of expertise, Jim Doyle shares his insightful healing journey, emphasizing the interconnectedness of body and mind.
Inspired by pioneers like Louise Hay, Jim's story is a testament to the power of alternative therapies and personal empowerment, offering listeners a chance to discover their own latent potential for self-healing.
Discover the profound impact of thoughts and words on our physical well-being as we unpack techniques like meditation and self-affirmation. Jim uncovers the often-overlooked societal conditioning that leads us to reject self-love, urging a shift in mindset towards positivity and personal growth.
From discussing the remarkable effects of positive words on water crystallization to the liberating practice of self-love affirmations, this episode highlights how reprogramming our mental patterns can foster healing and transformation. We also navigate the complex terrain of societal expectations versus true personal fulfillment.
Jim offers a fresh perspective on success, challenging the norms that equate academic achievements with worth.
By sharing stories of resilience and the vibrant energy found in places like Bali, we invite you to embrace unconventional paths to self-discovery. Whether it's understanding the true essence of wealth or harnessing your unique strengths, this episode is a call to action for those seeking empowerment and a deeper connection with their authentic selves.
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Thank you for listening, Jamie x
So, jim, I've wanted to speak to you for a year and a half now, and subsequently you've actually come up three or four times in the podcast where people are like I met this healer in Bali and I don't even know how to describe his work, but it was pretty magical. Did you get that one?
Speaker 2:I get that all the time and, as you'll understand, I don't call myself a healer. I work in the field of healing, I'm a therapist, I'm a facilitator, um, people who come to me are the healers and that's what I work in that deal. So I show people their power, the power of words, a lot of attraction, and it's uh, it's a delightful thing. I've done for over 40 years now. And the reason I like doing this? Because I like seeing people take their power back and I wish 45 years ago someone might have held my hand a little bit and made some easy tasks or easy avenues that I made life hard for myself, trying to get better. So that's why I love doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:So it's often I get people get to the front door and they'll go ooh, you're not what we expected, what did you expect? And I should have had dreadlocks, a beard and a caftan on burning. What'd you expect? And I should have had dreadlocks, a beard and a caftan on burning incense going peace, man. And I'm Australian, I'm bald, I'm 67, I say fuck as often as I can because that's just me and I'm quite happy just to be me. And that's where it doesn't really fit in that term healer. So I work in the field of healing and have done for 41 years but I'm a therapist, I'm a facilitator and that's what I love doing.
Speaker 1:So what I hear when you share that is that you help facilitate people by activating their own healing, kind of reorienting back into their aligned self, rather than say out of self or a kind of type that's fostering disease. What if I was to kind of project a little bit deeper and be like could you tell me a little bit more about what you do? What comes up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so I call myself a body-mind therapist. So, like all things, to be good at what you do, you have to do the journey yourself as well. So a little bit of my background. I had quite a bad car accident, injured my back and shoulder, and that's what put me on the journey of this. I'm actually a greenkeeper, a horticulturist by trade and that's my love of life is plants and in the accident I had to go and seek some medical assistance with it. And both had quite horrible scenarios about it, about if you need to stop that sighted pain, we need to put a rod down your back, we need to put screws into your discs and we need to do a lateral release on your frozen shoulder. And as a young 23 year old, that was pretty scary and I didn't really want to pursue that because there was no great outcome to it. And I asked both the people do they guarantee what they did? And both just smiled and said well, no guarantees, no guarantees. All care, but no guarantees. That's what started me on this journey and through a physical therapist that I first met named John Goodenbill. He's a Samoan Tongan man and he was the first guy to stick his thumb in where my problems were, say where the problem came from, what it did physically, and it was the first time for a couple of years of therapy that I got any relief at all out of it and I was quite impressed by it. I'd already done a remedial in Swedish massage course because I was told there was soft tissue damage that you know had to repair these things, and whilst it gave me a great relief which I didn't have before and it also like things that I've worked out, in the long term, unless you've got your body and mind together, then you aren't going to get the total healing of it. So it was the progress of going through learning physical massage physical about the body, about the balance of it. He was a really amazing guy, john Goodenville, and worth googling up. He was a guy who desired to be a doctor but obviously opportunities never got there and he was probably a better doctor than anyone was at healing and fixing people's problems that they didn't have answers to. So, starting with him, I did that.
Speaker 2:I then come across another naturopath named Gary Hancock, who I had an allergy on my skin at the time, especially around my elbows and wrists, and when I looked like a leper I would tear myself apart. So I went and saw him and the first thing he said to me what are you itching to get out of? And I thought, well, that's a weird thing to say. And I said I don't know. And he said, yeah, there's something you're itching to get out of. That elbow's about your direction. You know, what do you want to do different? And at that point I was still doing my trade as a greenkeeper, but I was part-timing in the massaging and so obviously I wanted to do more of it.
Speaker 2:But that fear of you know, trusting yourself or believing what you can do, and he just said to me just do it. And just took someone to simply say, just do it. And I trusted myself and believed and just did it. And so, through some little courses I did with him on different things to do with Chinese body clock, to do with organ adjustments, little things that I didn't know and he certainly opened the door to a few different things, but then started talking about the emotions, with things, and I realized when I looked into my particular two women, that I use their information a lot, louise Hay, and until they once healed the body, once the body's a broma of the soul. I started looking into their stuff. I realised that every emotion of each of the vertebrae that I was going to have to have repaired and the release of my shoulder was all exactly what was in my head.
Speaker 2:But until someone confronted me, I read about it and I realised that's exactly what's in my head, and the frozen shoulder was an interesting one. I was already married as a 21 year old. 21 year old, I already had two kids before I was 22, so the deal was right. The right shoulder frozen shoulder was about feeling guilt, about gaining for yourself. So, of of course, I was a dad and a husband. My gain was for my children, for my wife, not for myself. So that's, in turn, why I caused my shoulder to be frozen.
Speaker 2:It wasn't really the car accident. The car accident, in turn, had stuff to do with my head. All this stuff just kept leading to understanding what my head did and what it ultimately created in my body, and I was delighted to start realising pain was going away, but it wasn't through physical therapy. It was actually by saying words and saying different things that actually changed what my head. Well, actually not changed me. Let me be me, but understand my vulnerable qualities and, like all things, when something starts to change you open one door, you'll open another door, and another door and another door. And I was blessed to have those little things where different influences came into my life at the right time when I was ready to change. So that's, in a nutshell what got me into it.
Speaker 2:Because then I realised, well, I'm already doing the physical massage and the guy who taught me taught me great stuff about acupressure and about balancing the body. But what I learnt? If you get the body balanced and the head balanced, then health comes back to you again. But it's a constant challenge. I mean, this is not just because I do this. Don't kid yourself that I'm perfect. I get just as much problems as everyone else and I just address them a bit quicker so I don't end up in chronic pain or in the sciatic pain that I had for so many years. I mean, really, if ever my back twinges ever again, but it's just because I understand, then, not just only saying these words, but little things about protection of self and often all the clients that come to me.
Speaker 2:I always talk about how to protect themselves and everyone talks about reactions, putting walls up, withdrawing, screaming, yelling, running away. The way I teach people is called the 10th connection, so it's putting the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth and I encourage people to go and Google the 10th connection. It's quite interesting what it talks about. It's used in sleep, stress, connection protection, meditation. It's used for a lot of different things. The difficult part about it when you're emotional is actually getting your tongue up there and using it, and that still even though I say it 300 times a day to people that I work with. But it's still not easy to remember, especially when you're emotional. But once you learn to connect, that you also stop the nonsense in your head, and that's what I've done is still my head down a little bit, so I don't have the storyteller in there sabotaging me.
Speaker 1:It's actually an interesting trick that you said in terms of helping to quiet mind, because when I notice, when my head is just flaring up and stressing, I actually we've worked together so much now that I hear you saying, jamie, put your tongue as I do it my head just goes calm and silent, which is lovely, because sometimes that's actually, you know, that's hard. Sometimes you can find well, I found myself at night. If it's like overthinking about stuff at work or stuff in life, it actually just has a trick to help me sleep.
Speaker 2:Totally, really useful. But it's normal and that's what you've got to realize. It's normal. It's not like it's, you know, weird that your head does it, everyone's head does it, everyone's head does it. Just some manage it better than others.
Speaker 2:One of the things it uses in meditation and when we meditate it's not to bring God in or put flash and blue lights in, it's actually just to learn to lengthen the gap between your thoughts, and that's one of the techniques that's used in Kundalini raising or heart rebuilding, is putting your tongue up there. So what it does? It creates a circuit of energy in there. So you're still seeing, you're still hearing. Nobody knows you're doing it, but you're connected and protected. So it actually starts to quieten that nonsense voice in there. And I know that voice is still there somewhere. It just gets further and further back in my head. It's always there. It's referred to good, bad, black, white, devil, god, whatever term you want to use it as, but we've all got it in our head. If we don't manage that, then it manifests. There's an interesting thing that I've it's not new, but, um, there's a guy's name eludes me. He's a professor from japan who in the 1994, didn't experiment with water yeah, and he's japanese guy yeah, hiroshita hero, I forget his name, but it was a.
Speaker 2:Really we love the sciences of things. And this guy got water at each end of the bench, basically got his students at one end to say really negative stuff I hate you, you're disgusting, you're awful. The other water to say how beautiful it was, how much they loved it. Then he froze samples from them, put them under a microscope the ones with the positive words it looked like a snowflake, the crystal formation of it. The other one just looked like black ugly mess, snowflake the crystal formation of it. The other one just looked like black ugly mess and to the eye, just look like water.
Speaker 2:But we're 85 fluid in our body, 90 in our brain. So if we have negative thoughts or have negativity around us, that's exactly what we attract is the sickness with it. And if people looked at in that simplistic form because that's what we tend to do, is complicate things, and that's what I offer people is I keep saying that this is simple and if I'm making that practical, like I remember coming into you for the very first time, we had a good chat and then you were like Jamie, sit down at the table there.
Speaker 1:And I think you grabbed a part like I think it was like you were, it was like I was getting, say, a massage. But then I was like, ah, you're like Jamie, do you love yourself? And I was like, huh, you're right, you love yourself. And I was like, uh, what are you asking me that for? And he was like, well, look you, uh, in feeling this and it's feeling the sensitivity you have here, you obviously have some level of self-love block. Um, can you repeat after me? And I was like, of course, I kind of like say I love myself. I kind of giggled a little bit but I was like, okay, okay, I love myself.
Speaker 1:And what I now know is that you started squeezing harder and harder and harder and I started feeling that less and less and less until the end when you were really gripping and I wasn't feeling anything. And that was quite shocking. You talked about it's simple. I had never come across that before. I was actually used to it. If I had a knot or if I had a pain. I was in for a hell of a like a punch, exactly exactly, but it was nothing.
Speaker 2:Some people enjoy the pain, man. Some actually enjoy that pain because that actually reminds them there's something going on. One of the things I do ankles are really common in people to have blocks in them. Ankles are about pleasure and it's not their pattern. That's the whole point of this. When they're saying these things, it's not their program or their pattern, even though they know it's logically what should be in their head. But it's not what's in their head. So you get them to say that and then I get them to say yes. After we go through the process of what I do, ask them how they protect themselves. That's how they put their tongue up. I touch it again afterwards. You would not believe how many people giggle after that. Because there's no block there. The block instantly goes, because you're talking about the water again, you're putting the positive vibration into that cell, which then allows the cell to form beautifully again. It really is that simple and the instant thing is oh, you're not touching the same spot, you're not pushing as hard, you're not. You know, you're tricking me. And of course this is no tricks. And that's the beauty of what.
Speaker 2:People start to realise their power, the power of words, the law of attraction and that's how I work. If you use that term law of attraction, if people people you know are not careful what they're saying, they say silly things like oh, every june I get a cold, get ready for the first of june come and you'll get no cold, because you program it in there. And that's all we're doing is just rewiring the head and reprogramming the head. But what they've got to realize is not to change themselves but to understand those vulnerable qualities. So when the ankle is about pleasure, when they're receiving pleasure comes and there's guilt or inflexibility about it, they learn to put their tongue up so they don't put their memory pattern back into their ankle.
Speaker 1:It was like this was the second kind of really confronting part of working with you. It was like one recognizing how I'd leaned into pain as the cure and suddenly now me just saying I love myself starts to relieve a lot of pain. I was like, wow, that's simple, but that's actually quite telling. Why do I lean towards pain like therapies and giggle at the idea of saying I love myself?
Speaker 2:Because you're not programmed that way, man, you're told that's selfish, that's conceited, that's being full of yourself. Man, you should Australian, young Australian man growing up saying that I've never felt so stupid in my life. When I first started doing it, looking in the mirror, in fact, I didn't shave in front of the mirror. Then for the next few months I showed in the shower because I felt so stupid.
Speaker 1:What would you say that for me and Dick, and say that the second part was the language, because as soon as you kind of raised my awareness of my own self-talk, I started recognizing like why I very fit, flippantly and almost unconsciously will say some ferocious things about myself.
Speaker 1:Like you, gave a simple example of oh God, I always get a cold in June, but mine was, like you know, I make a mistake in work or something. Oh, I'm fucking this and that and I'm really like banging my head up against the wall and it's. But there's an expression oh, he's beaten the shit out of himself and actually recognize that you could. A lot of us do it with our words not recognizing actually that level.
Speaker 1:That's a pain that we're fostering inside ourselves, certainly in terms of your philosophy and your approach, and that that was sad. I was like how much of, let's say, the pain, the disease, the stress that I'm holding and I'm carrying around is one one self-inflicted and two completely unnecessary?
Speaker 2:I would say all of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the truth of it. But then it's getting ourselves out of that human quality of feeling inadequate, unworthy, all the things you programmed as a kid. Because you're selfish, you know you fool yourself. As I said, eventually it was. I knew I had to get back in front of the mirror. This guy had quite a big pull on me about influencing my life, but I did such a bad job shaving that my mates would make a bit of fun of me saying you missed that bit. You missed that bit. Until eventually I realised and one said well, why don't you shave properly? I said, well, I'm in a hurry. He said, man, you'd better slow down because you look like a dickhead. So I'd get back in front of the mirror. It must have taken five years of saying that.
Speaker 2:It's not an easy thing to say. I love and approve of myself, I love and accept myself, I love and appreciate myself. You're taught to say that to others but never to yourself. And I say to people unless you really want to be in love, you've got to fall in love with yourself first before anyone knows how to do it. And that's definitely not how we're programmed and that's all you're doing is just reprogramming. You know, part of Australian culture is to be facetious, to take the absolute piss out of yourself, and we have the tall poppy syndrome. Be successful, but don't be too successful because you'll get knocked down. So all these little programs that are put to you and again, I don't know if people really intend negative stuff with it, but the fact is that's what comes out of it. You know teachers saying things to kids, parents saying things to kids where they don't really mean to hurt them, but they say things that never leave their heads and then they're programmed with that and that's part of stuff.
Speaker 2:What we do in here is also is go back to some of that stuff from the past and do forgiveness of situations, forgiveness of self, forgiveness of others, and that lets go the emotion of the story. We're never meant to let go of the story, as shitty as some of these stories are. That's part of the journey. But what we do, instead of letting that emotion keep coming back, which keeps manifesting the illness, problem, sickness, pain, is to go and detach and forgive. And most people don't want to forgive because they think they're letting someone off the hook. When you forgive, you're letting no one off the hook. You're not saying someone's right or wrong. You're saying I didn't like what happened. I don't agree with what happened. I don't ever want this to happen again. I'm done. Leave it back in the past. There's your end. Do what you want with it. I forgive you, but it's also forgiving yourself, and that's not an easy one to do either, because we think we need to have the penance done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's quite haunting. Certainly, in my case, I recognise the punishment, I put myself under the burden. I carry the stress the disease, discomfort, and also the numbing myself to the possibility of happiness, of ease For some, you know, really for some unconscious reason, but it's so silly because as I sit down and I'm like, of course I want more ease in my life, of course I want more fun of course I want more freedom. Of course I want that lightness and that excitement. Why am I carrying around all this baggage?
Speaker 2:We watch our parents do the same thing and they're our first program and you know, again, they don't try and put negative things in you, but they'll worry about money, they'll worry about status, they'll worry about position and you just learn those same programs. It's often when people Bunions is a common thing, so it's when your toe, the outside of your toe, will stick out, and bunions are often quite funny things that I'll say to people why do you think you've got them? Women will always say they wear high heels and that's why they've got them. I'm a bit of a smart ass so I say straight back to them so most men don't wear high heels, but men get bunions as well, and of course it's a bit of a laugh, but it's when life hasn't delivered the wonderful things we thought it should have delivered. But we're being programmed by the person who's had the same thing happen to them. So you, my grandmother's, got them, my great-grandmother had them, um, so I'll get them as well, because so it's not genetics, it's how we're conditionally programming into things.
Speaker 2:And so, example in family, you know it was finances were always a bit tough and my dad always oh, my back, margaret. He always complained about his back being sore, and I'm sure he had a very sore back, as I ended up with a sore back. Funny enough, all of us had sore backs because we were all programmed the same way Not enough money, you know. Worry about money, worry about financial support, worry about future. That's going to, in turn, lock your low back up. That's your supportive life.
Speaker 2:So when and this is where the lovely Louise Hay and Anna Noontill come in they're incredibly powerful women. Louise Hay's stuff was done in 1975, anna Noontill's about 1990. This stuff's been around a long time, but of course they were, you know, hoo-ha and they were weirdos, those people. But they're incredibly accurate on what their statements are of each of the problems with the vertebrae, with your shoulder problem, with your bowel problem, with your sleeping problem. They're quite accurate in what they do. And once you drop your ego out of the deal and you start being honest with yourself and start realizing hmm, that's what I think, okay, well, realizing that's what I think, okay, well, that's what you think you don't stop yourself thinking because that's you. What you do is learn to protect when that negative stuff comes I yeah, louise hayes book was really.
Speaker 1:I think you can hear your body yeah, and she's written many books.
Speaker 2:She has a publishing house. She's a very powerful woman who. She does lots of different meditations, guided meditation. She does lots of different meditations, guided meditation. She does lots of different activities that people can do to help themselves, but the one that I use is an a to z heal your body. So there's yeah, it's, it's a very accurate book.
Speaker 1:it's unbelievable because for me I always find, like you, kind of feel that for whatever disease you might have or whatever issue might be going on, that it's really it to you and there's a very strong, I would say, lack of connection to it and there's almost like a victim of, oh God, this is happening, I've got a cold, I've got a stuff nose, I've got a cold sore. And in reading her book, where she literally aides disease ailments and you can check out the ailment, and see almost immediately to the right.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, you're not speaking your truth? Are you're harboring um frustration with your partner? Are you're not being brave in your career?
Speaker 2:your partner. You got being smashed. Your uh inability to receive pleasure. You're being stuck in a pattern. You're being stuck in what you're doing. It affects on your body.
Speaker 1:I find I used to carry like I'd have my journal and I'd have Louise Hayes A to Z and I, generally speaking, there's always some little thing that you'll find, if it's an ache in the back or something like that read it. I was amazed how it would prompt, let's say, a journaling exercise for me and as I would do that, I would walk away feeling lighter. Of course Now, like you know, some might just laugh and be like, oh, placebo, but it's like well, maybe R this is fantastic, or is it the glass of water?
Speaker 2:And that's how you put it in, because people like to hear the sciences of things and that's one that I pull at people a lot because they'll say those little things oh, you know, this is a Placebo, is a great word for things, and placebo does get proven in a lot of cases where you know the medication is given to one, the placebo to the other, which might just be salt water, but they still get the result out of it. All right, that's a belief system, but that tells you their head's changing the thing anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not the placebo, it's their head that changed it and what that perceived it was. So you know little things like constipation. You know sleep, diarrhea if we looked at what the things are. But then you've got to be brutally honest with yourself going oh, that's what I was thinking. So that car accident I had now I just thought was bad luck. Some guy had a head full of toot and he's um, driving his father's sub a million miles an hour hit me head on and so I just thought it was a bit of bad luck. But the truth was, accidents come about not being able to speak up for yourself, believing everyone else is the authority to you, a belief in violence. Now, all three of them were in my head at that time. Everyone was the authority to me. I couldn't speak up for myself. I did believe in violence.
Speaker 1:I still believe in violence. Everyone does. Yeah, this is a really curious subject for me, man, because I kind of think, like you know, there's, let's say, one big learning exercise, which is to take responsibility for whatever your body is, whatever ailments are coming to you and are expressing themselves through your body, that actually, that's at the root root. It's something that you're not looking at or something you're avoiding or something that you need to process. But this is a whole other kind of side that actually, like we again see a lot of like accidents as as bad luck. But your philosophy is that looks like no, no, no, no. Everything is connected. It's almost like there's a sequence of events that if you're not, if you're being blind to something and you're not, let's say, you're not, uh, you're not taking notes, you're not listening to it, you're not addressing it, you might first have a, a level of an element inside, but then it'll get worse, and then it could get worse, and then an accident will make it happen, so there are no let.
Speaker 1:So there are no, let's say, accidents. You almost attract them in through place. I think.
Speaker 2:Everything's a law of attraction, Jamie, and that's what we've got to start understanding. If we don't know ourself to be ourself, then we attract things that we are not aware of and therefore then we you know, I'm not anti-medical, I'm actually quite pro-medical Sometimes we let things get so out of hand. We need that mental influence in it. But to really cure the things you've got to actually understand what was in your head. Now again, it's a job in process. It's not something you just do it once and you're an expert at it, and that's what that term healing was. I'm always a bit avoidant of doing that, because when people come and sit in the chair in my room and the first thing they say heal me, and I say that's not my job, that's your job For organ who's digging into your head to work out what's in your head to cause that problem to be there Again. Most people are not programmed that way, but also they don't really want to hear that. We're programmed. Someone else will fix it for you and if we start to understand.
Speaker 2:So a young lady come in yesterday she was Irish also and she'd had a big graze down her knee and I said, oh, did you come off the bike. She said, no, I was hiking and I fell, but it was a decent slash on her knee she had, and I was on her right knee. And I said oh, so we're going to get you brutally honest with yourself and ask why that accident happened. She said oh, the ground was slippery. And I said well, of course it was. But I said everyone else was walking up there. They didn't fall and cut themselves. How come you did? And she said it was just bad luck.
Speaker 2:And I said well, let's go a little bit further than that. And I said so it's on the male side. Knees are about stubborn pride and ego won't bend, won't give in. Accidents happen when you can't speak up about yourself. You think someone else is the authority. I said think, in the six hours before that accident happened, what was going on with the male, where he was the authority and his pride and ego wouldn't bend and you were hurt by his pride and ego. Therefore, you attracted the accident. Oh, I had a terrible fight with my boyfriend before, Of course. Okay, so then you attracted that pattern.
Speaker 2:Now it is bad luck, she gets the thing and she's going to have to spend a bit of time healing her knee, but what her deal is then to try and work out, when this comes, that she's the power and authority to herself, no matter what people think. You've got to start understanding that yourself and backing yourself and talking up about yourself Exactly. You're not programming. That's the deal with this. You're not programmed that way. So it's quite difficult to go and do these things, especially if she was in her early 20s. That's 20 years of programming and this is how it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So when you say it's quite difficult, I find it confronting and I find it challenging. But interestingly, when I go through a mental exercise of trying to understand work or understand a session or teaching, what I do recognize is that, whether it is a level of disease in my body or an accident that unfolded, essentially they're all the time trying to help me get back in my power and the issues that arise rise up in direct correlation to the amount of power I give away in my life. And that's some weird correlation that I noticed that when I am letting my power go, giving it to others, life starts to absolutely wallop me around the place. But when I take it back and when I'm really sensitive to if an ailment comes up or an issue and I look after myself, I start to rise up like I've never done before this, like my. I would say that your work for me is all about coming into my power.
Speaker 2:Totally. That's what it is you taking your power back. As people release, they'll feel you know I'm touching their hip and getting them to say you know, they know what it's like and how it feels not to be stuck, how they thrust forward. They make decisions easily and they feel it releasing the question easily. And they feel it releasing and the question I was asking do you like taking your power back? There's that little giggle that comes again oh yeah, because they've not been shown that and the truth is I'm a bit of a conspiracist in my head, but the truth is the powers that be don't really want you to know this, because then they don't manage you and control you, because you're not relying on medications, creams, pills, injections, powders. You're just starting to understand yourself, and if we understand ourself, then we actually reduce the opportunity for these things to come.
Speaker 2:Man, we're all going to die. That's a state of thing in our human life. Who knows how long we're going to be here, but our desire is to be here as well and healthy and as happy as possible, to own the commodities of life peace, love, joy and happiness. They're the really important things. That's when you reach, your own them. If we do those little things. Then we um, we go through life with a pretty healthy body without too much problems going on there and, as I said, at some point our body will fail and it'll go, we'll go to sleep and that's the reality of it. So, but our deal is not to go through, like most people, with trauma and torment and pain and sicknesses and operations. I know that the general people will say, well, that's nonsense, it's who I am. But they're so programmed in those things. If they're brutally honest with themselves, with those emotions that are there, if they're brutally honest, they'll realise that's exactly what's in my head. Okay, learn to manage it and you'll actually stop that problem. And I know because I don't have those back problems, I don't have a frozen shoulder, I didn't have the things I was supposed to have done medically to have it done. I started to identify that I didn't like to gain for myself. So therefore, my shoulder, I protected myself when those little things came, but therefore my shoulder improved.
Speaker 2:Because I then would say all my experiences in life as a male are joyful and loving. I choose to make them that way. That's not exactly what you're taught to say and of course, all your experiences are not joyful and loving, and that's why it's hard to say these things, because, one, they're not your programs. Two, when you're saying it, your your head's going. But that's bullshit. That's not what's going on. But, as you said, there's the glass of water. Again, you're feeding that beautiful glass of water and it's like almost faking it until you make it. That's probably how this works, is you keep saying it until eventually it becomes your pattern. You know, 40 years ago I didn't know all these affirmations, but I've said them, so I play my patterns.
Speaker 1:When you were speaking. I'm kind of going back to where you're like well, the powers that be don't want us to know this kind of stuff, and I always remember hearing taking to it really well was that if you want to hide something, hide it in plain sight, and we're taught from a very, very young age that words cast spells Totally and our language is spelt. But we ridicule it it and we look at it in cartoons, we look at magic and we think, oh no, but that's not real life.
Speaker 1:It's there of course it is, and I, the more I'm kind of, the more I'm learning, the more I'm expanding, more, like I would say, wisdom I'm accumulating, more I'm recognizing that there's a lot of truth in it actually doesn't disney. There's a lot of truth in in our old stories, our myths and our legends, and oftentimes it's the very stuff that we're told oh, that's just fairytale, that's like. Is it, though? Is it and I, I love that saying magic comes to those that believe in it most, and I really think that what you talked about when you were sharing like, look, I say these affirmations and I just say them over and over and over over, almost fake it till you make it, but it's also like well, it's. If you keep saying it little by little, but leaving it that little bit more as you believe it, more it takes.
Speaker 2:It takes greater effect take it, take it out of words and put it into learning to swim, learning a language, learn to drive a car. When you first get in there, man, you're no expert. You fumble and bumble and all those little things, but by the time you do it over and over and over again, you just get in, turn the keys on the car and drive With the language you know. And again. I've lived in Indonesia now for 13 years and I've been trying my best to learn Indonesian and my wife's Indonesian. And you know it's incredibly difficult because it's not how I was programmed. But I realised the more I do it, the more easy it becomes and the less I fight it and keep. You know you've got to learn, you've got to put the effort in. So you know, you start to understand that learning to swim is no different. You know, throw a kid in the water, they're going to drown yeah you know, we throw a kid in the water, they're going to drown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, you know my little boy um, that was basically I'll just let him go and uh, he struggled and pulled himself back up again. He was a little baby and he's like a fish in the water now, at six years of age. He's uh, because he was just encouraged, being able to go through that process. And there's where anxiety comes in when we don't trust the flow and the process, then that term anxiety is used. So then we get an antidepressants or getting whatever medications that I think is going to help it. But if you simply understood that you're not trusting the flow and the process, then you're going to create that condition. So, whether it's learning, if you put the time into learning a language, then you're going to get the result out of the language. You put time in to learn how to surf or how to swim or how to drive a car, you're going to get the result out of it and this is no different. But you've got to do the work and that's what I find.
Speaker 2:Often people come here and you know, because it's a holiday place, they'll come, you know, once every 12 months and better go see the healer and when they come in, or you know them so are you going to the toilet any better? Are you still constipated? Oh no, I'm still constipated. Oh okay, do you touch that point? Do you say those words? Oh no, I forgot that. When that negative thing comes about, you've been stuck. Do you put your tongue in protectors? Oh no, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:I'm not that empathetic on those little ones hard and say well, man, if you want to do the result, you want to do the work, but they want someone else to do it and that's how we program. Someone else will fix the problem. So that at the heart of it is, like societally, I think, the root of so much ailment that we negate on self-responsibility and we are leaning and it's a lot of us in Western culture it's like governments in terms of social welfare, social support and this and the next, and all of a sudden the guys are like this is good, we're creating a good society. But I always remember having a laugh.
Speaker 1:I was over in Cape Town and I was asking some of the locals there because everybody was telling me how unsafe it was in Cape Town and I was like, guys, how safe is it here, jamie, unfortunately, if something happens to you here, it says much, much less about you than it does Cape Town. And I kind of joked and laughed and that sat in with me for a little while and he said look, you know, if you go hiking here on the mountains, you're going into the wild and, yes, it is unsafe and you may fall victim or you may step up all the more and take a little bit more control and power and leadership of yourself. He was like you guys over in the home in the west. You're so overnight and over mothered by your sense. You're all becoming so weak, so fragile, so all over the place and he's like this might seem unsafe, but there's medicine in it and what you're engaging in it might seem supportive, but it's not.
Speaker 1:It has a long-term negative that you should be cautious and conscious of that stuck with me. I find that wisdom mirrored in so many other areas too.
Speaker 2:It's incredibly accurate. So put a footpath in. I'm not so sure about Ireland. I know in Australia a footpath and there's a broken bit of the footpath. There's a hole in it, there's a buckle in it. Someone trips on it. So you go and see the council because they're responsible, apparently, instead of you being responsible for opening your eyes and working where you look, you check.
Speaker 2:Here in Indonesia I fell down a hole the other night because they're doing a new footpath outside. There's no street lights, it's dark. I'm walking along the brand new footpath and I can see a dark bit at the other end and I think it's just the old footpath. It was a hole. I just went straight down the hole. I couldn't see it was nobody else's problem than mine, so I didn't look healthy enough. So in Australia then you go straight and sue someone. We were taught someone else is responsible. I was the only one responsible for walking those steps there and, funny, that accident came right after I got the news.
Speaker 2:My mother was going into a nursing home the next day and I felt guilty about it and it was my knee that hit my left knee, so you know the stubborn pride and ego of her. She didn't want to do that. The truth was it was the best thing for her, as a 94 year old, to go into this situation where she was going to get her 24-7 care that she actually required. She's not sick sick, there's nothing wrong with that. She's 94 and a little less mobile than she was. But the point was that was in my subconscious, so the thing I couldn't speak up to and say this is okay, mum, I'm just. You know, you've got to pander to her whims. I should have my tongue up and protect them.
Speaker 2:But it was within two hours of that conversation. I'm now walking straight in the hole. There's the accident come, because I'd always ask the question bad luck, I wasn't watching where I was going. But then I'd ask myself why did you have the accident? Come straight to me, which part of your body did you hurt? Oh, it was my left knee. Okay, that's the female side, pride and ego. I'm hurt for her, you know, but I feel her. She doesn't want to be old, she doesn't want to be in this situation where she can't do the splits and she can't go and be the center of attention, which is that's who my mum is, and uh. So I feel her stuff in my head and instead of putting a tongue up and protecting from it, I was the vulnerable son at that point, and I'll go walking up the road and fell down a hole. So whose fault was that? Jim's and nobody else's.
Speaker 1:And it's not like it's, it's it's hard taking that kind of responsibility. It's hard like breaking a scenario down like that and seeing you know okay, this is the circumstance that regards my mum, this is how I'm letting it affect me, while this is actually really affecting me. It's hard. It's much, much easier to run off and get tied up in the stress and blame the people that they didn't finish their job they didn't put a barrier around it protect you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Indonesian, they're going to do that.
Speaker 1:I think an interesting thing, or an interesting pattern, is like dealing with a complaint and let's say, like you know, a restaurant, somebody comes in and the parking amount how much of that is that the bad food service of what's actually going on in someone's life? And I find oftentimes, when somebody is perhaps coming at me and I'm trying to logically work through whatever it is that they're talking about, I get nowhere and it actually just gets worse and worse and worse, whereas if you're, like you know, let's push this aside, what's really going on? It's amazing how I feel so many of us, we distract ourselves with issue and complaint and blame rather than if we actually just let that go. It gives us space to work on our stuff and in times of conflict, one can find themselves the victim of that, the genuine victim of that often, and you will get nowhere trying to solve the complaints or the issues that are being presented. But the immediate resolution will come when you actually push them aside and allow somebody to just properly open up and see their distraction.
Speaker 2:But then people have to own their own stuff, and that's the point is, they don't want to own it, they don't want to blame. You know, restaurants are great ones. So a little example it's not a restaurant but a home situation with the parents, and they had four children, and these were quite alternate parents that um used to bring their kids along for treatments. And they brought this one little fellow who was, I think, about nine or ten, and it had quite bad food poisoning was his term that he had and so I asked him well, what happened? What happened, mate? Did you vomit? Did you have diarrhea? Oh yeah, I was sick. I said okay. I said so what did you eat? He said sausages. And I said okay. So what did the rest of the family eat? He said sausages. I said how come they didn't get sick? Oh well, I must have just got the same food. So this is the point the parents found it difficult to go and address these little things with him because they're the parents, so I'm a neutral body, I can come and ask him those questions without him feeling attacked by it. So the time we pushed and pushed and pushed, so he had quite bad vomiting and diarrhea, and so vomiting is rejection. New ideas rejection. The new diarrhea is fear, rejection, running away. These parents had organised for a lovely family trip to somewhere around here on one of the islands and anyway he's a little guy who loves playing soccer and all his mates they've organised and in Indonesia it's not as organised as in most countries where kids have organised sport on Saturdays and this is quite a special thing for them. But this kid loved his soccer and there was a soccer game organised on the weekend that they're all going away to this holiday family. This kid didn't want to go and he's saying to them I don't want to go. And they're well, we can't leave you here. You're 10 years old. No, I'm not going, I don't want to go. So of course this is the night they've delivered this information to him as he's having his dinner. So of course he's got chronically violently rejecting this idea. They're telling him and he wants to run away. He doesn't want to be part of it and there's fear that he's not going to get to play soccer with his mates. So therefore he attracted the illness to him. He was a good little kid that when you kept pushing that to him, you said isn't what was really going on in your head Because you said, well, yeah, okay, that's why you got sick and nobody else got sick, because they all wanted to go on holidays with mum and dad. You didn't. That's why you got the deal.
Speaker 2:And if we brutally look at this, restaurants are the same thing as food poisoning. You know, especially here in Indonesia, where people think the food is second-rate I mean, food's just as good here anyway as anywhere else. And probably if we looked in the kitchens in a lot of first world countries, we probably wouldn't eat those places anyway. But here that's what they believe that they've got food poisoning. And Bali has its own name Bali Belly. People come here. They've got to change money, they've got to brush their teeth and they're worried about swallowing the water and they're going to die from it and little things that they don't do at home, and all of a sudden that fear comes into being here. So fear then attracts that term barley belly. They get sick, they get diarrhea and vomiting. They lose three or four days of the holidays instead of working out. That's what my head's thinking. I'd better protect myself when it comes over. You've got to get to know yourself so you know those things.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you because, as you're sharing, what I'm finding is actually like the wisdom is less a layering up and solidifying kind of key points. The one that I'm really taking on is like Jamie, take whole and total responsibility, Get to know yourself, own your shit, but if you don't know who you are, so pleasure.
Speaker 2:I'm a giver, not a receiver. I love to give. I don't like gifts, I don't like compliments, I don't like anyone doing anything for me. But I've known that for a long time. So instead of having the crappy ankles I had for so many years that swell used to be painful that I'd hardly find to be able to walk I realized when there's pleasure in my head of either going, surfing or doing whatever things I think are pleasurable. I've never changed me, I just understand. That's my vulnerable quality. So instead of my head going you know you shouldn't do this. You should be doing this with such and such, you should be doing this for them. I put my tongue up so I don't let that thought pattern get there. But I'm also 67.
Speaker 2:I've been doing this for 40 years, so I'm actually quite good at it. Because I ask other people. I've got to ask myself the same questions and it's not that easy being brutally honest with yourself. But that's my head. I'm the only one who really knows it intimately. So the more I get to know it, the better my well-being comes and the better my body performs. Yeah, that's it really is that simple and it I keep stressing that you put to your people that which glass of water you're feeding and if we work out, we're going to feed the positive one. We won't get those problems because you already said, when my head's good, I've got all the great things around me. Where my head shit, watch me attract all the negative shit and that's pretty well how it works. And I, if you, I can't push enough to people that we make it too complicated instead of simply getting to know ourselves so we can be ourselves.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so okay, get to know yourself so you can be yourself, honor yourself, look after yourself, love yourself, love yourself, take responsibility. If something unfolds, take responsibility Actually actively, almost search for your area of responsibility and don't see, don't get distracted by little ailments, thinking they're happening to you. Generally speaking, they're happening for you and there's some level of wisdom that you can take from it, and that's your cure.
Speaker 2:That's a clever analogy, because then you own it and then you do something about it and that's going to manifest and then you're. And you know, men, I like people coming in here because I like what I do, but what I like seeing is the ultimate thing is where they come back and they send lovely messages, but they also say if we don't sleep properly and shit properly, we're actually not living that well. So two really important things to do is sleep properly at night time and shit properly every day. It's really delightful when you hear someone. It's not exactly what you normally talk about, but someone comes in and says I had the best shit last night.
Speaker 2:When you hear people start seeing these little outcomes they get just because of words they said and them touching little points, because they start to get to know their body. I often say to people when I talk about the little my relation of what I use with acupressure, with the Chinese body clock. This is what we should have been taught at school Instead of learning pi r squared or when Ferdinand Magellan sailed down the Dardanelles Straits. I mean that's useless information. That's the truth, it's garbage, actually it's totally garbage.
Speaker 1:It's complete destructive garbage. I have this vision as well For me. I went to this Jesuit boarding school where we played rugby. That was our sport and we like really beat ourselves up playing rugby. But then in most mornings, we had some level of prayer or singing hymns you know grand, and everything like that.
Speaker 1:But I always thought if, instead of learning all these prayers and singing all these hymns, we were taught to meditate and we just got the time to sit with ourself and, instead of beating the crap out of ourselves on a rugby pitch, we were taught yoga, like the difference of six years of one versus the other. Now I could say this to my friends at home, but I can actually picture them sitting around having pints, laughing profusely at me. But I would love to see like if we could almost match up different worlds, where Jamie goes into one and he's freaking, rehearsing all these prayers and hymns and really working hard on a rugby pitch and beating himself up, or two, jamie's sitting in meditation every day and Jamie practicing yoga and learning to play the drum and you know, doing different hair designs and going surfing.
Speaker 2:I mean you'd be much happier, kid.
Speaker 1:My little boy's doing that now but happier is like the power that I would have inside, the energy that would flow through me. You'd be on a different plane. You'd be in a different world.
Speaker 2:But your parents were not programmed that way. So they told you you had to have your HSC, finish your school, so you had to go to university. If you didn't do that, we go to school and we're taught by teachers who went to school, went to university and went back to school. And I'm not detrimental to teachers. Teachers do a wonderful job because of the program they're teaching and it's a difficult situation, especially with kids today that I would not like to be a teacher, but they're telling those kids that if you don't get your HSC at the end of the year you're going to be a failure at school, A failure in life, because you don't get that so-called achievement. That's bullshit. People who don't get it who still end up being incredibly successful in their businesses or in their ventures they choose.
Speaker 2:My brother was when my brother older me. He's a guy who was we now learn he probably was dyslexic, so he saw things upside down and back to front, but he was told he was a bad kid. He's got, you know, such a vast amount of beautiful land in Western New South Wales now he produces animals and crops that you know. Nobody knew this guy had any ability. They used to rubbish him, but he didn't fit the bill of going to school so he was told he wasn't going to be successful. He's probably one of the most successful men I know, yet he was rubbished and ridiculed for all those things that he didn't fit into society. He was a rebel. He liked to be on the bad side of things all the time because that was his rejection of what they felt there. So he rebelled against everything. But like all of us, we pull in the line and he's become a very successful man and I'm very proud of what he's done.
Speaker 1:I love when we go back to. Sorry if I go back to the very One of the very first things where you were talking about what set you off in your journey, and it was a confronting diagnosis from a doctor where you were curious beyond that, I where you were curious beyond that.
Speaker 2:I was scared is what it was. I was scared. My ego was in the way that how would I be able to do all these things? Because my physical body would not be the same.
Speaker 1:But most people's fears will have them surrender your fear, charged a curiosity and an energy. To be honest, to go a circuitous route, I always have Steve Jobs's. When he went back to Apple, he created this ad campaign where he was like we're for the rebels, the changemakers, those that want to question the system. Carve out their own path, and it's really beautifully done and it's always inspired within me. This idea that you know, unfortunately, if we follow the system, we don't really get rewarded. To be rebellious is actually what ultimately speaks To be in yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what being rebellious is. To be in yourself is to be rebellious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally when there's all these influencing factors in the world. When everybody is trying to normalise out, to be yourself, I would would think, is one of the most rebellious acts you can do totally, totally, because you're not playing the game with everyone else, but you've got to get to know yourself, to be yourself.
Speaker 2:And then, given the education there's people speaking up about it now, about how inept it is, how you program into this. The bell goes you move to class. The bell goes you. It's getting you prepared to go and be a worker, not be a thinker. And unfortunately and that's also just a little thing aside about that tongue when you touch that point in your mouth and I see people Google it up so they can actually see where it is it's two and a half centimetres from the back of your teeth is where you touch.
Speaker 2:But that stimulates pineal gland and pineal gland is where our free thinking comes from, where our wisdom, inside intuition comes from. Now you know this society has been dumbing us down for a few generations now, with putting fluoride in our water, aluminium now getting sprayed from the sky, along with all the other metals and stuff that hardens our pineal gland. That's why people follow like sheep is because they can't freely think for themselves and that's why they don't get out of the square is because they're told how to think. And those free thinkers are the ones who step aside and do things like my brother. What he did, you know, he was a free thinker there's a great saying in the investment world.
Speaker 1:Like I got ready to add you and said if you want to be successful, look what everybody else is doing and do the opposite.
Speaker 2:But it's pretty right some of this we can fob off. Here's what you said a beautiful comment there before if you don't want people to see it, put it straight in front of them. So there's the classic thing if you don't want to, don't want to pick the wrong answer, don't do what everyone else does and you'll get the right outcome of it. I was told by a solicitor who, when I was building my house and had to do a will, and he said what are you going to do for work? Because I had a job at the bowling club at that time as the head grandkeeper there and you know it was a safe job and it was a nice job. I loved my job.
Speaker 2:But the point was I wanted to do this work and he said you know you can't support a family with that. You know my daughters were probably 10 and 12, 11 and 12, 13, something like that. And he hoo-ha'd me that you know you think you can actually create a family and survive and support them by being a massage therapist. You're a kid, aren't you? Now, that was a solicitor telling me that and he really hoo-ha'd me and as teachers did at school, you can't be anything. You're a waffler, mr Doyle, you're nothing. So all those little limits put there to me, if I heard it enough, I started to believe it. But I thank that guy because he also made me dig my heels in harder going. Well, we'll see, I'll show you. I have a few of those things in my life where people tell me I can't do something. And I thank them for actually doing it to me now, because it actually made me put my heels in and say I'll show you so I hear that and I kind of get a little bit envious.
Speaker 1:I remember at 18 I really wanted to be a life coach and I remember saying it. I remember being so unbelievably shot there, laughed us and I went into, went to nightclubs and marketing, went to magazines, went to all sorts of events and and that was great and I learned loads and I did really well from it. But only one, 12, 13 years later to kind of come full circle yeah.
Speaker 2:But man, do you think I knew this as what I was gonna do? Man, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I actually said that one day I want to be a green kid because I thought that looks like a nice job. You work outdoors, that sounds nice. I forgot that it's freezing cold in the morning, it's dark. When you've got to go to work, it's on the weekend. You're going to work and all your mates are still in bed when they're pissed off from the night. Before. I had to go to work after a few years of not doing an apprenticeship. I didn't want to do it because I thought, well, I don't know, but I've already committed to it, and said I was going to do it. I'm glad I did, because it actually teached me how much I love plants and it was a good job. But the fact was, rewarding financially was very poor in that particular day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I look back on my trips and I was like Jamie, we were dealing with literally like we had 20,000 people going through our doors every week, and so I got to engage and work with so many people. I had 800 part-time staff at one stage, so I just I got this enormous experience.
Speaker 2:What a life lesson of people. How many people you know? In my work I probably treated 80,000 people and again, that sounds big, as you said, in the number Put in the population of the world, the world's 7.5 billion people. Put people, put 80, 80, 000, that deal, it's like 0.00000, about 100 hours before you get to it. So, and that's why I then start thinking how come everyone doesn't know this, how come everyone hasn't seen that book? Because it's not common. That's the point of it and that's why you get put in this little category of the healer I kind of get this.
Speaker 1:this line is kind of developing as we're chatting. It's really like in connecting with you and understanding your work and hearing you speak, it's like, jamie, follow your heart. It's so important that you do and so much more important than you know, so much more impacting than you know, especially so if you don't so often people can work out stuff for themselves if, if they experience having cold feet all the time.
Speaker 2:Think of logically what cold feet says. Cold feet says my circulation is not good to what you're saying. But the term of cold feet says there's lack of courage or conviction about walking where you want to walk. So therefore you've got. Cold feet says there's lack of courage or conviction about walking where you want to walk. So therefore you've got cold feet about taking the next step Instead of because people come in here and this is the tropics. So I'll say to them why are your feet cold? Oh, they've been on the cold tile floors and then I'll put my feet on top of them and say so have mine, mine are fucking hot Because I'm walking.
Speaker 2:I've got the courage to walk where I want to walk and that's the little point about getting enough balls to go and say I really want to do this. That's a big cause saying I want to be a life coach, especially as a young kid. But he knew he had something to offer. So he keeps opening doors up to keep letting himself in there. That tells me you didn't get cold feet because you kept taking those steps. Cold feet because you kept taking those steps. I can't see how many friends that come and they'll blame the weather. They can't blame it here, because this is the tropics. It's never cold here and you know the floor is cold from the air conditioning. Of course it is. I stand on the top. My feet are hot.
Speaker 1:You know what you said, like that phrase oh, I've got cold feet.
Speaker 2:I think there's an enormous amount of wisdom, similarly speaking, enormous amount of wisdom, similarly speaking, hidden in everyday language that we don't quite appreciate the spells this is where you got that word spells and I, I I definitely do appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I think there's there's too many norms, society, that knock us out of power for it not to be constructed in that way. It's just, I'm just like there's just too much in the kind of norm, in how we live that knocks me out of my power and to get back in. It's almost again, almost as obvious as just look at what everybody else is doing and do the opposite that I, yeah, definitely my head starts to go quite conspiratorial.
Speaker 2:But don't you find, as you do, that you attract more people of like mind as well? And that's what you do is. This is a law of attraction. You know, you say those things, you attract those things you know it often comes up.
Speaker 1:It's like jay, why have you moved to bali? Why do you spend so much time there? And it's like well, honestly, it's because I found my tribe that live this philosophy. When I share any of this. There's no newness in any of this. Everybody's like yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a book called the Secret that I just forget who the author was, but I remember one of my clients many years ago back in Australia saying it's not really a secret. We already know this stuff and I said it's a secret to everyone else. So it's a great title to get people interested to go. What's the secret? Secret's just what we're talking about. It's not a secret, but to a lot of people it is a secret because they've never heard it before. So by hearing it they actually start to do these wonderful things for themselves. And if we understood we're in this life for us and us alone, and if we don't do the best we can in that life, then we're pretty well wasted our time. Can we share something that I think is quite?
Speaker 1:it's one of my. I'm always kind of journeying through my learnings, but this is one of the things that I'm finding quite confronting and interesting at the moment is how what you just hear there, like jane, you're in this life for you and you alone, live it, whereas what I recognize is that I distract myself a lot of the time by, like, say, trying to help somebody or trying to solve somebody else's problem I had this very confronting moment.
Speaker 1:I've had it probably a few times, but especially so over the last couple of weeks, where I was like wait a second, I'm spending more time trying to solve other people's problems than the than mine, and like I'm also kind of pointing out perhaps some other people's problems than the then mine and like I'm also kind of pointing out perhaps some other people's problems, but mine are glaringly obviously in front of me as well. But I'm like blinding myself by distraction and I the more I recognize that the more I just do me, the more I progress and grow and the more that actually helps others around me totally. And I think I don't. I look, I'm saying I have to do the maths on it or figure it out, but I think it's fairly obvious that if I just do me, I would serve a greater impact on those around me, whereas in distracting myself and trying to do such a good impact on for those around me, I distract myself with myself and I actually just annoy other people and it's I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 2:I think that's probably a bit harsh on yourself. But if you think about that card I first gave and I do to everyone I love and approve of myself. I love and accept myself. I love and appreciate myself what you're doing is saying those words approve, accept and appreciate for yourself exactly how you're not programmed. What we're looking for, as most of us, is their approval, their acceptance, their appreciation.
Speaker 2:That's what I say to people the older you get, the less you care about that. It's not to get to your 40s and I encourage you, don't be in a rush to get to your 40s, but once you get to your 40s that starts to decline. So at 67, man, I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks, I give a rat's ass what I think and I pay attention to my head and it's. I've got that past of it's being egotistical or selfish, it's being centered on self. So the better I'm centered, the better I am for people around me. Yeah, because I've got a calm head and like things that you are very good at this, where you can't talk the talk unless you walk on the walk. You walk the walk. Good man, most people talk the talk but don't walk the walk and you can't. You can't do one without the other.
Speaker 2:The other thing he said about Bali, just so people understand what it is and it works for energetics, bali and Peru are both magnetically opposite of each other, so they call them the thinnest veils of energy available to man and on those two points there, black and white energy. There is no grey here. As you will attest to this, you either go to your highest vibration or it just eats you alive here. There's nothing in between.
Speaker 2:And the longer I live here, the more I realise, when I go back to Australia, what a beautiful, pristine first world country it is, where everything's clean and quiet and ordered, and it's quite a beautiful country. However, inertly, it's dead. There is no energy there. And every time I go back there, andately, it's dead. There is no energy there. Yeah, and every time I go back there and this was, you know, sometimes it's quite a few years and I don't go there in between because of covid, one, you know, for three or four years. And when I went back there I forgot how pristine it was, but then I forgot how dead it was in the energy wise.
Speaker 1:So can I ask that? Because here is so alive?
Speaker 2:but.
Speaker 1:I have this same feeling when I go home. I was having a chat with one of my friends. He was like Jamie, do you know what? I can't remember seeing a butterfly. And I remember I had to go. A family member passed away. We had to drive down to the country a year ago and as we drove down to the country, there was no flies, no, no bugs, no anything on the windscreen. And I remember when I was five or six, just you know, the windscreen would be disgusting and.
Speaker 1:I get that here, here is so alive, god almighty. There's just bugs everywhere and there's all, all sorts. And so I have this feeling. I'm like, yeah, here is so alive, here is a different energy altogether. But as I'm going home, I'm feeling this deadness. But it used to be that way, no, but it's become sterile, and that's what's happened.
Speaker 2:This is why I talked about this control, and that's where the conspiracy stuff comes in. It's nonsense, but that's what they're doing. There's control coming from a handful of group of people that are very wealthy, that want to control the world for themselves. We're just not that important here, so they're doing it to control the weather. They're doing it to control everything that goes on there your money, where you're living, what you're doing with your car, what you're doing with your spending your money. I mean, it's bullshit.
Speaker 1:Okay so the more alive, let's say, nature is, the more it brings you back to yourself.
Speaker 2:To yourself. So could you imagine that there's been a cashless society here?
Speaker 1:Here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, indonesia's got 280 million people. There's no welfare here. If you don't find a little war wrong or find some way of making money or selling a product, illegally or legally, however you do it you're going to die. There's no government going to come and provide welfare or support for you. We come from such a nanny state that if we haven't got a job, someone's going to give us money. We can get money for rent. They'll pay you rent for you. But in doing so they've culled us down to the point where we stop free thinking here. They're incredibly innovative in whatever they do, because they're gonna survive. If they don't find it, then nobody else is gonna support them.
Speaker 1:I remember being blown away by my buzz so my buzz now is like, let's say, holistic well-being and deep psychology. I'm like, ah, so interested. But about ten years ago I was obsessed with interviewing entrepreneurs, entrepreneurship and one thing I was blown away when I first came over here, which was about seven or eight years ago, was everybody was an entrepreneur, every local was an entrepreneur. They had five or six businesses. You know if they were renting scooters, if they were selling stuff on the side of the road if they're doing work at the weekend.
Speaker 1:Everybody is not just an entrepreneur, they are serial entrepreneurs and, yeah, exactly as you said, the states are there to support them. They're supporting themselves and they're really abundant as a result, and there was an energy, there was a vibrancy, there was like a safety in that and a resilience in that.
Speaker 1:And when I get home, to be an entrepreneur is such a select thing, you know, to be self-sufficient is a very, very select thing and I remember you know a lot of, let's say that I always think there's like, say, a western superiority and a oh god, how was it over in Bali? You know, how are the people up there? They're so poor. I'm like no, they're, they're really happy. They have a vibrancy and an energy about, about them that's actually very confronting and really, you know, how are the people up there? They're so poor and I'm like no, they're really happy. They have a vibrancy and an energy about them that's actually very confronting and you really look in the mirror and wonder what you're doing wrong. And a natural fact. It has me kind of really questioning certain norms here and certain supports that we think are in our best interest. But a natural fact. It seemed to almost cut us off at the knees. They survived us and interest, but in actual fact it seemed to almost cut us off at the knees.
Speaker 2:They're survivors and they'll survive, no matter what goes on. They'll survive. Could you imagine you know kids from the generation in our first world countries if there was no food in the stores, would they know how to grow food? They'd have no idea. I saw a ridiculous thing where in the States they were talking about banning animals because of the farts they do and, you know, causing the greenhouse gas to affect our ozone layer, et cetera, or our climate change, and she said just take the animals out of there and just get them from the shops. Now that was a, I'm sure she went to school, I'm sure, but that was her logical statement Just forget them there, just get them to the shops. And the guy said where do you think they come from to get to the shops? Oh, I don't know, they just come in the shops. She had no perception that that animal was grown outside to put in the shops so she could go to the shops and buy it. That's her limit of where she saw it come from.
Speaker 1:We've dumb much, they can't think for themselves. It's sad actually. I remember sitting around a table with a bunch of friends and one of them had a lot of lamb and I was like, oh my god, would you not have your own chickens here to have your own eggs? And they were like, oh, it's too close to my food chain. I was like what she said, no, no, I just want to buy them in the packet from the local Tesco, whereas for me, oh my God, I would think there's nothing nicer than having a connection with your chain.
Speaker 1:I remember it was nice. I was visiting a famine village in Ireland. It's like one of the old stone cottages from the 1800s when Ireland was really, really in tough circumstances. And what they said was they were like, oh, this is the home, and you know, if the family was lucky enough to have some goats or some sheep or some cows, and they would all live together and they would, you know, the family would, would heat the home with heat from the animals. And I was like, oh, so it's quite a symbiotic relationship which is like of course, you know, and like car gets to sleep inside, so the cow then gives milk the next day to the family and everybody kind of gets on. And I remember it was a big tour. Be like that's gross, it's disgusting. How interesting that there's this kind of this separatist nature, this, this kind of false.
Speaker 2:It's the steroid, we become sterile. You can't have, you have dirty you kind of. So, it said my wife's Indonesian. I've been with her for nine years. That's how camp on life still exists in most parts of Indonesia. The Kambing still lives in the back of their house with people. The Chuks live in their house with the people.
Speaker 1:There's a sense of living together, supporting each other.
Speaker 2:Also, the old families all live together as well. They live in a little thing they call Kampung, which means it's their little village or their little group of houses. But they all live together and if one has something they share it with someone else. They grow their own cassava, they grow their own chilli. One first meeting with my mother-in-law, I arrived at the house in the kampung there and Imus wasn't there and I think, well, where is she Next thing? This woman comes out with this big pile of green leafy shit on her back and I'm thinking, whoa, what's that? I thought she must have been bringing the food home for the animals. She'd been in doing her weekly grocery shopping in the jungle, getting the greens for all the people in the kampong. Oh wow, that was for food. That wasn't for the animal, that was for the food.
Speaker 1:I spent a few weeks in Texas on a general farm and I remember having a fresh milk from the cows that day and then going out and having chats with the cows and I was like, thank you, your milk was delicious, let me give you some grass. And basically because in their paddock they had eaten all the grass, so I whipped it all up and I came over and I was obviously in my own world of this, but I just thought it was nice. It's like this doesn't have to be like perceived as an abusive relationship or something.
Speaker 2:But there's you showing gratitude, so you're getting the exact gratitude back. I always say that people have compassion and empathy for everything, have sympathy for no one or anything. Sympathy is when the victim comes out. Get the violin out, play the violin string, but we should all have compassion and empathy. You the violin out, play the violin string, but we should all have compassion and empathy. You did what the glass of water was doing you went and thanked him for that lovely milk.
Speaker 2:I grew up in a dairy and I was one of seven kids growing up and I for some reason didn't like milk and there was fresh milk in the churns there with cream, you know, half an inch thick on the top of the churns there. I'd run from my brothers and sisters and fight to have it. I don't want that now again. That was just my head and my taste buds, but the fact was we mightn't have had money but we had things that nobody else had. Every kid wanted to come and play at our place. I also went to a christian brother school also went through, where they you know the rich kids would come over to the poor house that had chooks up the backyard and they want to go and play in the chook pen and they want to go and run in the paddock, get horse cow shit all over them and they could never do that at their places. They were sterile and we've been starting this sterility for a long time going.
Speaker 1:There's something wrong with you if you want to get dirty yeah, I, I love the contrast of perspective that, like you know, perhaps the superiority and wealth and and generally speaking, you don't appreciate what you have, and everything like that. I find it really interesting when I'm just going to different cultures, different backgrounds, different, different wealths and seeing that there's joy in the most interesting things and there's sorrow. Similarly speaking, there's depression like there was in others. I love the overall philosophy that I've kind of taken from you.
Speaker 2:Just one more little one. So when I first came to Bali, financially I was struggling a bit. I shan't go into why that happened. It was through a relationship breakup. However, one of the clients I treated at that time was an American entrepreneur, and the guy was not a millionaire, he was a multi-billionaire and he big note at one time said to me Mason, made you, come and treat me where I am. He said I'll pay you ten times your fee. At that point I would do anything to get money, because I didn't have any money to pay rent and do all the things that I need.
Speaker 2:Life was tough and I've been doing this work for a long time as well. So I'll go to this, this guy's place. It was up in Jalan Petitingat and I don't remember the name of the place, but besides taking quite a while to get through the security, it was my last job of the day. I was living up in Sundal at the time and it was still another hours of journey to get home because of the redoing the highways. It was a disaster actually. Anyway, anyway, I've gone and seen this guy and this place he's staying in is swish, jamie, it's got everything that you could imagine and uh. So he's, he's a bit big noting and saying mate, come and look at the place. And uh, so he's showing me the gold fitting taps and the silk sheets and the cartier glass and the chandelier, the you know paintings I've got these. He's big noting and after seeing a few things I said okay, mate, that's great. Where's the table? Let's get on with the job. He said you don't seem so interested and I said, in all honesty, I'm not the slightest bit interested. He said, buddy, this place cost me 1500 American dollars a night and I laughed at him. I said, oh yeah. I said my partner in Senua cost me less than 400 American dollars a month. I said maybe we do the same thing. He said what? And I said sleep. I said the difference is I sleep, you don't.
Speaker 2:And that guy had had. He was 50, he'd banged so much coke up his nose he had to get two replacement nostrils up his nose and he was still bragging about it as a 50-year-old. Now, everyone's done that stuff. I mean it doesn't mean you're better or worse, I mean everyone's done it. But that night when I'm driving home with 10 times that hourly rate that I normally got in my pocket and I remember riding the bike home that night going at the top of my voice I'm rich, I'm rich. And it was nothing to do with the money in my pocket, it was.
Speaker 2:The fact is I realised I own peace, love, joy and happiness. That guy owns none of them. There's a difference of being rich and if we also look at that, I mean man, we all want the nice things of life. We all want to be able to go and buy what we want to do, so we all need money to do that. But he had enough for 100 lifetimes. He didn't know what you and I are. And that's when you realise how rich you actually are and it humbles you down a little bit to go yeah, that's all nice to have, but he's pining for what I've got and I didn't have to buy it, I earned it. Keep those little simple philosophies of what you're doing and you'll make life a lot simpler.
Speaker 2:We all desire money. We all desire those things, to do those things, but they're not that important and I had it all at one point, but also had it taken off me. So the point was it was not that wonderful to see that I had those things and all of a sudden I didn't, and if you saw my living standards where I lived in Australia to where I first come and lived in Lembongan in Bali here you'd have a little bit of a laugh at the place I lived in and but did the job. A couple of years later I moved back to the mainland and gradually improved. Little places to do. I don't own anything. I don't need to own anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think life is a hell of a lot More fruitful when you can recognize what it is actually and how little that is and what is that you don't need and how so much of that was actually taking more from you that I was giving.
Speaker 2:And and don't not be what your lovely nature is as a bear giver there's not enough of that in the world. But don't dare be detrimental to yourself about actually doing that for people, but do it for yourself first, and then, if you do it for yourself first, then you're going to be even more powerful to do it for others. Yeah, I love that kind of little analogy.
Speaker 1:One should fill their cup first and pour from the overflow. Beautiful, that's a great analogy. Yeah, and learning what that really means. It's funny.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's the simplest of little phrases that you sit with and you kind of evolve and develop kind of new understandings, and I used to think that, oh yeah, build your energy up first and foremost, and then then perhaps you can run around looking after everybody else. Really, for me, what I feel filling my cup is like Jamie, go on your mission, stay true to your purpose, learn, develop, grow, expand in that field and, as a result, when you engage with anybody else, you will be able to show up so much more Totally. Pursue your interests and wants and bring other people along on that, but don't get distracted.
Speaker 2:Running around after other people, totally that's approve, accept, appreciate yourself, do them first, then the others will come because you're showing them how to do it anyway, because I said you're coaching and guiding them through and they say, well, you're not really doing that, and that's what I get. To that point I can't say that the people you do these things, if I don't do it myself, I do it. Nobody's perfect anything, man. Don't start thinking we've got to be perfect. As long as we're doing our best, you can't do any better than your best it's, you know, having this image that I want to share with you.
Speaker 1:I started this year. I was having a real low point. I was really out of sorts and I remember every morning I started like kind of building my, my, my structure and my strategy for kicking myself out of those circumstances. I did everything. I got up and I made my bed first because I wanted to have a sense of accomplishment and that prepped for the evening. I go downstairs and I challenge myself with a cold shower and again give myself that sense of I'm in control here and I fight my fears.
Speaker 1:But I actually remember I would hug myself and say exactly that I love and appreciate myself, I love and accept myself, I love and approve of myself. And I also added a fourth one, which is I love and acknowledge the hero that I am and I. I sat in those cold showers hugging myself and saying those lines and like I love and appreciate myself, like I sat with that as in, I appreciate who I am, how I am, how I'm showing up in the world, I approve. I say I love and approve of myself. I approve of who I am, how I, how I'm showing up in the world, and I'd love them to accept that. I'd love them to accept myself.
Speaker 2:I tell you that takes balls to do that, man, because the fact is you feel when I say to people. You feel stupid initially. You get to it and you start realizing wow, that really puts energy in me, that makes me feel good.
Speaker 1:The more I did that honestly, the more I did that honestly, the more I actually I remember certain points, sitting there hugging myself, going through that process and crying with like a feeling of jamie, you've come back to yourself, this is a big accomplishment, it's huge, it's huge and it's again. It's so easily lost right. And I did that. I said those lines mirror for a little while and I kind of rhymed and wrapped them in a couple of bit of form, but it wasn't until a very low point where I really grabbed them and I learned what it meant to actually say them, to feel them and to enjoy the benefit of that. So, thank you, thank you so much my pleasure.
Speaker 2:And you keep doing what you're doing, because if we don't have people putting their guidance out to people because that's your expertise, then others don't get to hear the simplicity of it. So take in power. What you're doing it's a. You call yourself a different name. You're just doing exactly what I do feeding the glass of water man, and keep feeding it beautifully, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you if somebody's listening and they feel really inspired and they'd love to connect with you. Is that possible?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, I do FaceTime sessions with this. I also do personal situations here in Bali. I will give you my email and number If they desire it. They can contact you Lovely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if anybody wants, that's something that I'm going to highly recommend. It's like I always do Anybody whenever they're here and they're like who should I reach out to? I'm like Jim, you should chat to Jim. So if anybody's reaching listening to this, they want, feel free to send me a message on Instagram and I'll share the contact details thank you very much, jamie.