JoAnn Fawcett's Journey from Toxic Relationships to Paranormal Revelations

Join host Rich Bennett in an enthralling conversation with JoAnn Fawcett, an author and speaker whose life story is a blend of extraordinary experiences and personal resilience. In this episode, JoAnn shares her journey from enduring toxic marriages to embarking on a spiritual quest that led her from the Mormon Church to the mystical realms of UFOs, elementals, and magic. Discover the fascinating tales of her paranormal encounters, the spiritual teachings from her alien guides, and the profound connections she has made with the unseen world. JoAnn’s story is one of transformation, hope, and empowerment, providing insights and encouragement for anyone facing their own life battles. Tune in for an episode filled with incredible anecdotes, spiritual wisdom, and the reminder that change is possible at any stage in life.

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Transcript

Rich Bennett 0:00
Thanks for joining the conversation, where we explore the stories and experiences that shape our world. I'm your host, Rich Bennett, and today I am honored to have Joanne Fossett, an inspiring an author and speaker whose life story is nothing short of remarkable. Julian is navigating through immense personal challenges, from enduring toxic marriages to embarking on a spiritual journey that led her from the confines of the Mormon Church to embracing the mystical world of UFOs, elementals and magic. Her books include Midlife Magic, not only detail her transformative journey, but also serve as an encouragement of hope and empowerment for anyone facing their own battles. I am really, really looking forward to this conversation because. Couple of things that. I want to say Joanne and I already have in common. We haven't even started talking yet. Is Magic paranormal and UFOs? Because I've always been amazed by all of that. So how are you doing, Joanne? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06
I'm doing great. And thanks for that wonderful intros. Fabulous. 

Rich Bennett 1:12
Okay. How? I just wondered, because this is the part that amazes me. How does one. 

Go from. I mean, I know how I did it, but embracing UFOs and the paranormal, it's stuff like that. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:29
Well, let's start with the paranormal. When I was in my twenties, I think I was married to a guy who was a a funeral director. 

Rich Bennett 1:40
Oh, God. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:41
Yeah, I know. And I would sing at some of the funerals. He was officiating. And then one time we I went with him from Southern California to Northern California because he had to transport a body and then perform a graveside service. So it's like, okay, I'll go. And yeah, the trippy thing is, you know, then we took a nap in the van next to the casket. That was. That was. 

Rich Bennett 2:04
Oh, God. 

JoAnn Fawcett 2:05
I know that was. But, you know. Death. 

Rich Bennett 2:07
You got to do what you got to do, 

JoAnn Fawcett 2:09
And we couldn't afford a hotel. But anyway, we're standing or he's doing the service. There was only it was an elderly woman who passed and and there was just a couple of her family members. And they were elderly. And I'm standing there being the supportive person. And and all of a sudden I'm getting this feeling it's like, oh, she's here and oh, the lady's here. And I, I can't see them as they were when they were alive. I can feel 

Rich Bennett 2:34
right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 2:34
them and I can sometimes when I'm in certain places, I can see like the shadow of their being, but I could just feel this gentle, sweet lady enjoying her service. And, you know, I'm just kind of going, Hi. 

And so that's that's my first memory of that. And then again, fast forward a couple of years with the same guy, and now we're living in Ohio and his sister's mother in law had passed and I sang at her funeral. And then I'm looking across the people's heads and I could just tell she's up in the left hand corner as I'm looking out into the hall and she's up there just watching her service. And it's like, Oh, this is cool. I know she's here. 

Rich Bennett 3:15
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 3:16
Yeah. So yeah, that was cool. And, and then going forward, I've been with a couple of different psychics and we've been to historical places where there are lots of ghosts. 

Rich Bennett 3:29
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 3:29
So, you know, there's an aircraft carrier in near Oakland, Alameda, California, at an old naval base and it's, it's renowned for its military history and its ghosts are the USS Hornet if you're ever in. 

Rich Bennett 3:43
Oh, really? 

JoAnn Fawcett 3:44
Area go. It's amazing. So it's got cool Navy history, but then everybody knows it's it's famous for its ghosts. So you've got people who died on the ship and then there's ghosts that just want to hang out or spirits, you know? I 

Rich Bennett 3:58
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 3:58
don't. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 3:59
I never knew that. 

JoAnn Fawcett 4:00
Yeah. Oh, it's so fabulous. And if you can. Well, I was able to go. I was able to go with a psychic who was a docent because that and different psychics are allowed to go there and do paranormal investigations. Or they used to be. But she took me kind of after hours. So, like, we're going down a hallway and it's like, oh, it's feeling a little cold here. And the whole the walls feel a little wet. And it's like, okay. And then we go to the foxhole where the anchor and the anchor chains are. And we're going up this ladder and she's going into the bunk room, and I'm at the top of the ladder. And it's like, oh, right across that area. Peeking at me behind a column is a sailor, I'm assuming has what it was. And it was like he was 

Rich Bennett 4:43
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 4:43
kind of shy. And it's like, oh, my gosh, I can see his shadow. And it's like and I'm getting chills. It just it was so exciting to be allowed to share that with that person and 

Rich Bennett 4:54
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 4:54
let them know that I you know, I'm just here as a friendly person. I'm not here to bother you, you know, hello type of thing. And and we encountered and then kind of opposite of that, like we encountered a scared spirit in in the room that was the chapel and it hadn't been restored yet for the tourists. So the tourists couldn't go in there yet but he was hiding behind a box and bit to it. My friend and I, we just said, you know, you're okay, we're not here to bug you and 

Rich Bennett 5:19
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 5:19
everything's fine. And, and, and but that was, you know, I could just feel the spirit. And it's just it's so cool. 

Rich Bennett 5:28
It is. Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 5:29
Yeah. And, and, and on the other part of that is like the medical bay hadn't been cleansed and restored yet and there, you know, many years ago there had been now that we're, you know, we're including UFO's here, but it's like there had been some negative alien activity on that ship and a battle. And so some of the alien bodies were, had been in the medical bay. So my now he's my expert, the guy who got me and all the UFO stuff, but he said, oh, you know, see, see what how you feel when you're near the medical bay. And it's like I could hardly put my hands on the door because there was this negative, you know, you could just tell because they were not friendly aliens, but you could like it go, you know, And thankfully you couldn't go in there. But it's like I wouldn't have wanted to. The energy was so negative. Now it's fine because it's all cleaned out and restored and, you know, somebody cleared the energy, thankfully, but. 

Rich Bennett 6:29
And that was on the Hornet. 

JoAnn Fawcett 6:30
Yeah. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:32
I never knew about the alien thing. 

JoAnn Fawcett 6:34
Yeah, they don't. I mean, that's one of the talks. When I was on the UFO speaking circuit, I used to talk about that. But yeah, most people didn't know. 

Rich Bennett 6:43
Most people still don't know. 

JoAnn Fawcett 6:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:46
That interesting. 

JoAnn Fawcett 6:47
Yeah, yeah. But there's. There's so many lovely spirits on that ship. There's. There's a story about the women's restroom. Used to be like the engine room in the main hangar bay. And it's like there's a couple of jokesters who like to hang out and, you know, spoof the women who are in the restroom. And, you know, I guess some women have kind of felt like somebody is watching me, you know. And I didn't feel like that. But I've been I've taken a picture, especially when I was using black and white film that you had to get developed. You could you can see the images I would get like the plasma looking disturbance of energy. 

Rich Bennett 7:29
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 7:30
Is how it would show up on my camera or my film. So afterwards, I got just outside the restroom. There was, you know, spirits hanging out there. So that was really cool. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 7:40
Any time that. Any time you ever felt scared. 

JoAnn Fawcett 7:44
Not on the Hornet. Well, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 7:46
Or any time period. 

JoAnn Fawcett 7:47
Yes. Yes. I was going to say when I was in England, another really good psychic friend of mine lives there. So and I used to go speak at UFO conferences there and and sometimes I and then I would often hang out with her. And and there was she took me to there's there's a ring, not a ring, but there's a series of forts along the eastern coast of England called the same airport. And it would like protect that side, you know, from France and all the invaders and, you know and so one of them was really lovely because that's where the warden of the sank port would live. So that was a very garden, a pretty, you know, cute little castle. You go down the road right on the beach and there's like the military fort version. And my friend and I were walking along and everything was cool. And then we got down in the, like, the basement level. 

Rich Bennett 8:37
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 8:38
I know they had a dungeon and we're just standing there and all of a sudden it's like, uh, doesn't feel great. And she's going, Yeah, we got to go. Somebody doesn't want us in here. And it wasn't overly scary, but you can sense the difference. Well, we could, you know, sense the difference between, you know, somebody who's happy to see you and somebody who's, you know, get 

Rich Bennett 8:56
Does 

JoAnn Fawcett 8:56
the heck 

Rich Bennett 8:56
it? 

JoAnn Fawcett 8:56
out of here. Yeah. So we left. You know, we heed the warning and but I Well, yes. Okay. Let's go back to the Hornet, because there was something that was really scary. The same English friend had come to visit me, so we went to the Hornet, of course. And we've already gone through the medical bay because it's now been restored. But we're in another little, little tiny hallway thingy and all of a sudden there's an Enter spirit who's encountered her. And he had died on the Hornet at the hands of some aliens. And, you know, she could tell that his rip, his arm had been ripped off. And he was just so angry and disturbed because he hadn't even crossed over. And that had happened in, you know, probably the thirties or forties in the early days of the first Hornet. And he was so angry. And, you know, she can she can channel them and they'll talk through her. But this one wanted to take over her, take over her being. And, you know, I was going to like touch her to calm it all down. She was no, don't touch me. And and so I didn't I just stood back and just watched as like, oh, my gosh, I don't know what's happening. She was able to call in his dad to help, you know, Son, come on, let's 

Rich Bennett 10:07
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 10:07
go. And and then he crossed over and it's like, but for that moment when she said, you know, don't touch me, because he's doing you know, he's not happy. And that was that was a bit scary. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:20
I'm just. I'm blown away by what I'm really blown away by is, you know, when we think of UFOs and aliens, we think, you know, they come there and they do whatever. Then they go, Never thought about aliens that were captured or killed here or died here, and their spirits remain. And that's just. 

JoAnn Fawcett 10:46
Yeah. Yeah. And, and 

Rich Bennett 10:48
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 10:48
you know there's, there's been a lot of I. 

The best part of being married to number seven was that he had all that military experience, and that's what he and his dad did in the military. So I learned a lot about UFOs and military involvement because, you know, there's were true military operations dealing with all this stuff in space. And on the planet. And and it's not all pretty because when you're trying to defend the planet, you know, it wasn't just I mean, I want the aliens to come and have tea with me, but that's not what he was doing with them most of the time. So, 

Rich Bennett 11:25
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 11:26
yeah, so I'm sure many of their spirits are still here or, you know, not happy or, you know, they died here because our military has dealt with them for a long, long time. 

Rich Bennett 11:35
Well, makes you wonder now, too, is, you know, because a lot of people see spirits 

JoAnn Fawcett 11:41
Right. 

Rich Bennett 11:41
or sense spirits, 

JoAnn Fawcett 11:42
Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 11:42
then they sense or see what they call the demons, the demonic dynamic demon, the bad ones. That makes me wonder is maybe those are the aliens. 

JoAnn Fawcett 11:55
Well, I don't know, because I've had interviews where people would try to lump aliens all into one bucket and that just can't. That's not true. It's like people there are some unfriendly ones and there are some very friendly ones 

Rich Bennett 12:11
Mm hmm. 

JoAnn Fawcett 12:12
and they all look different and they're all unique and wonderful and I would never call an alien demonic because that brings religion into it. So I don't. 

Rich Bennett 12:24
Well, 

JoAnn Fawcett 12:24
You know, but I know one or two times people say like, well, you know, all those aliens are demonic. I go, No, they're not. They're just they don't like it. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:33
yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 12:33
And, and maybe they're just not friendly to anybody, but they basically don't like us. 

Rich Bennett 12:39
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 12:40
But yeah, I wouldn't call them demonic, but there are some very negative ones and some who want to take over and make us slaves or take their take us off planet and do terrible things to people, and especially women and children. And, you know, it's there's some there's some very unhappy stories about all that. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
Women back up. Women and children. 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:02
Sure. 

Rich Bennett 13:04
Okay. How come a lot of people haven't heard 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:06
Shouldn't 

Rich Bennett 13:06
about 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:06
I 

Rich Bennett 13:06
the 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:07
shouldn't laugh. I think a lot of people are familiar with alien abduction 

Rich Bennett 13:14
right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:14
and and often, you know, people are returned to their home or whatever, and then later they might remember that. But often there are large scale abductions. Sometimes it's like there. And like, if you have a major disaster, like a tsunami or a huge earthquake and bodies are never found. 

Sometimes. 

Rich Bennett 13:41
Who? 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:43
Our our enemies are scooping up people and taking them off planet for nefarious reasons. 

Rich Bennett 13:51
I'll be. Damn. 

JoAnn Fawcett 13:52
Yeah. Yeah. And like 

I forget, I remember a tsunami, like in the south or the east. I thought that was maybe Louisiana. I think maybe that was Louisiana when I forget. But there have been tsunamis in the United States and a lot of people disappeared in 1976. There was a at least a seven point something earthquake in a remote section of China. Well, we didn't have CNN and cell phones with cameras back then. But before the earthquake happened, lots of lights were seen in the sky because there was a space battle happening right over China. And you have this earthquake because bad humans and bad aliens wanted to start destroying certain civilizations and taking over. Well, thousands of people disappeared because they were scooped up and spacecraft ready to go off planet for whatever reason. And then our military 

cause. And anyway, they 

they defeated the enemy. But at the same time, the ships carrying the humans were destroyed. But often, you know, thousands of people are scooped up and taken off planet. 

Rich Bennett 15:08
So this space battle was between us and aliens. 

JoAnn Fawcett 15:12
Oh, yeah. It's called the Battle of the China Gate. Well, my ex called it the Battle of the China gates. So you had things happening at a base in the Antarctic to set off all these earthquake because there was a plan to set off many. And you also had this space battle happening over China. So our military and the the other thing that most people don't know about is back well, back in 47, the U.N. authorized the organization of an international international military intelligence service called International Security. So anytime there was a threat against humanity here on Earth, many countries would work together where normally everybody thought we were at the Cold War, but they would work together to save the planet. So you might have had you know, you'd have military from many countries working together. And sometimes our our alien allies would help us. Sometimes our elemental fairy realm friends would help us. And, you know, they would work together to save the planet. And yeah, my my ex was in charge of the air battle over China. And and with the help of one of his alien friends. And they, they, they took some kind of some kind of bomb. And because there was a I know this is I'm sending very confusing but I think it's in my book but you know you can go to my website, my own website and look at it. But so anyway, there was, you know, like, you know what dimensional portals are and dimensional gaits and vortexes that can open 

Rich Bennett 16:44
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 16:44
up. Okay. So a huge one had opened up over China. So that's how the enemy had come in. Well, they put bombs through it or some a certain kind of bomb. I don't know if it was a neutron bomb or something, but, you know, they imploded something that closed the hole. But that's and then the humans died that were going to be taken off planet. But I know. 

Rich Bennett 17:05
No, no. You said you said something there that just blew my mind again. You said your ex-husband and his alien friend. So they were working together. 

JoAnn Fawcett 17:15
Yes. So in 1952, I'll back up because this was before he was born. His dad was stationed at an Air Force base in Novato, California. It's now just a bunch of residential things and some businesses. But anyway, there was a there's a famous Air Force base there. Well, they're all at the officer's club pool. You know, it's a lovely August afternoon, Sunday afternoon or something, and all of a sudden the alarms start going off and they can see it was 6 to 8 flying saucers coming towards the base. The women all saw this, but they were sworn to secrecy as their base commander was like, okay, now, ladies, we just won't talk about this. And I could just imagine her saying that, but not that I knew her. But yeah, so the men run off down to the hangars, get in their jets and the other amazing thing is, at the same time, there is a company in Canada that had built some flying saucers for our Air Force, the United States Air Force. And my father in law and a couple of his men were in them. So he comes out of his hangar, not in his jet, but in a flying saucer, and everybody goes and takes off after the flying saucers. And and I don't know that they had a battle. I have no. I'll have to ask him. He's in it. Anyway, I'll have to ask him. But I don't know if there was a battle. But, you know, our guys came back. He was one of the last ones to come back. And all of a sudden, Oh, here's a flying saucer coming back. And it's like it lands. And out comes a reptilian of a kind of species that we we just shorten and call it raptors. They look like the velociraptors in Jurassic World. My favorite. And he proceeded to he was an ambassador for his species because his mother at that time was the empress of their race. And he proceeded to speak with the military leaders there and teach them about aliens and about space. And oh, this is what the Greys have been telling you. It's wrong. And, you know, just setting the stage. And because his mom wanted decided it was time for their race to become allies and see about working with the humans rather than just eating them. So that began a long I know that began a long series of years of working with us. So they still work with us. They work with our military on certain operations and they help. They help. And this was their earth was their mother planet. So they're going to protect it at all costs, even if it means getting rid of us because we're so 

Rich Bennett 19:43
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 19:43
silly. But they love this planet. They are my one of my favorite alien species, along with the cats and the dogs. But, you know, they're intelligent and they're spiritual. I know. We'll get there. I see your face, but they're. They're. They're spiritual. They. They are so spiritual. And yet they look like a dinosaur. But they're very. And I'm going to cry because I just love them. They're they they love their families. They're very family oriented and 

Rich Bennett 20:14
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 20:15
and they're very artistic. They do operas and they're just amazing creatures. And I love them 

Rich Bennett 20:22
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 20:22
and I can't wait to meet them. But anyway, yes, my ex got my ex and his his dad worked with them on a regular basis. So they're very good friends with. 

Rich Bennett 20:32
You said cats and dogs. 

JoAnn Fawcett 20:33
I know. Yes, I know. There. I only know about a few species, but 

there's a lovely. And I only know about one dog species. They look kind of like a hound dog. And they've been visiting the planet for thousands of years. And I know they have a lot of medical knowledge and things like that. Right now they have a base in Australia that they were allowed to have and they act as merchants, so they export commodities out to space that the aliens want. 

Rich Bennett 21:06
How is it that I mean. 

Because a lot of it is is tied to the military. 

JoAnn Fawcett 21:15
A lot of it. 

Rich Bennett 21:15
But how is it civilians don't aren't seeing any of this? 

JoAnn Fawcett 21:20
Civilians. See, see UFOs. But 

Rich Bennett 21:24
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 21:25
in 1961, there was a conference in southern England, and I've been to the site where it happened, an interstellar treaty conference. So you had at least 100 species of aliens come by various means. And state leaders, government leaders, you know, a lot of politicians, royalty and lots of military leaders. And they had this huge conference and the civilians didn't see it because you're like cordoned off and you keep the civilians away. And the British military was very good at doing that, especially in England. There were there weren't as many people at the time. But but, you know, the opening ceremonies was held at an abbey in this small little village that I've been to. It's like, well, how do you where do you tell the people to go? It's like, are they supposed to leave their homes? That's a good logistical question that I don't have the answer to at the moment, but. 

Rich Bennett 22:14
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 22:15
But like if they were housing an alien group at some big manor house or some castle that the, you know, the British military had rented for the enduring, you know, the time period of the conference, he would just they all have long driveways. They're usually not right on the road. So you just block it off and put guards. You know, the tourists can't go that day. But there was this treaty conference and one of the things that came out of the treaty was that, oh, we're going to ban communication between civilians and the aliens. So if if if I was to meet with my alien friends openly and, you know, somebody found us, we could all get arrested. Now, that doesn't mean if the military clearly works with the aliens still and they have been for years and years and there are big business leaders and other government leaders that maybe they're not considered civilians, but I mean, I would consider corporate leaders as civilians. But, you know, they still do side deals and still meet with aliens and and whatever. But the majority of us peons are civilians, you know, aren't supposed to be doing that. Now, I have I have some friends who have the ability to like when they're in meditation, they. It with aliens. And that's cool because nobody's going to walk into their bedroom and say, Oh, you're talking to an alien, Come on, come with me. I have a spirit guide who is a living alien. She's a Raptor. And I you know, maybe maybe I'm channeling her today. I don't know, because I really. I love the Raptors, but. 

Rich Bennett 23:48
How do you communicate with them, though? 

JoAnn Fawcett 23:52
I don't communicate with her regularly, but I'll tell you, it's like one on one time because I also have like a channeling medium person that I talked to several spirits with. And at least she came through one day so I could hear her voice and she gave me her name. So that was really cool. I many times when I've been speaking in England because there's always this great quote that I like to give that was spoken by a rapper or senator at another conference. And it's all about how the universe is abundant and everything is connected. And I truly believe that. And I've often felt my father in law when I'm speak, I feel like this line of people behind me or beings and my father was always off my left shoulder. And fairy beings are just like angelic beings are behind me and I can feel the heat. And then when I'm doing this raptor quote, it got really hot and it's right over my right shoulder was like, Oh, and I didn't know it was her, but I'm sure it was her. And then after my talk, there was like three psychics that came up out of the audience. And I've seen them before this this because I spoke at the same UFO conference in England like four times. And, you know. 

Rich Bennett 25:02
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 25:03
They came up with it. We saw things behind you. It's like. Yes. And. And this one guy goes, Well, I've never really believed your stories. And I go, I know. Because he would always sit in the front and roll his eyes at me when I was talking. And he goes. But I saw what was behind you and it was reptilian. I go, Yes. And okay, now I you know, I may not still may not believe my my what I was talking about. But he knew that, you know, something real was going on. And so, you know, she comes through and it's really wonderful. 

Rich Bennett 25:34
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 25:35
And I do believe even you know, I do believe because I'm getting very excited about talking about it. And I do believe, you know, she helps give me that courage and she helps me understand how special they are and how connected their world is. The unseen world is our world is fairies, animals, nature. It's just all part of this wonderful thing. 

Rich Bennett 26:00
That is. 

Wow. I am just I'm blown away, in all honesty, because these are things a lot of these people don't think about. 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:14
No, no. 

Rich Bennett 26:16
And 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:16
I did. 

Rich Bennett 26:18
one of the things that has I'm remember growing up, we always heard about the Bermuda Triangle. 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:23
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:24
You don't hear anything about that anymore. 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:26
You're right. I'm sure it's still there. But. 

Rich Bennett 26:29
Oh, well, coaster 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:31
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:31
here. 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:31
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:31
But it's like, well, what happened? Did they if it was aliens, did they move somewhere else? If it was I know there are a lot of people who said it was what, L.A.? 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:43
Oh, right. 

Rich Bennett 26:44
I think 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:44
so. It's all these different things. But then what happened, you know, and now you're you're hearing more and more about UFOs again. 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:53
Yes, thankfully, because. 

Rich Bennett 26:55
Yeah, 

JoAnn Fawcett 26:56
You know, it's funny because when I was writing the book that I sent you, I was part of a writing group. And, you know, as you know, the book starts out with my childhood and my marriage is okay. And then it gets into the woo side. And but I started with this writing group talking to them about the woo side, the UFO's, because I thought, well, that's the more interesting part of my story. You know, that's, you know, the husbands, but it's, you know, part of the story. But you know, so they think, oh, well, sure, I'm what are you talking about? Like they didn't believe any of those. And then I was starting to talk about witchcraft. Like, Oh, what are you talking about? Well, all of a sudden, you know, now you're hearing in the press, thankfully, the timing was perfect. Oh, look at here's this giant story about UFOs. And oh, look, here's a full spread about witchcraft. I go, yeah, it's it's it's it's not a bad thing, you know, like, it's not evil, it's not awful. And so then they were going, okay, you're not not you know, you're not off your track. And then they go, Well, but if you start, like chronologically and do the husbands and then weave this 

Rich Bennett 27:54
right, 

JoAnn Fawcett 27:54
stuff, then so then it made more sense to them. But, you know, I don't know how old you are, but I grew up in the fifties, So with the Martian movies and I'm like, well, this is fun and it's silly and I'm glad it's not real, you know, because I don't want to be pulled underground with the Martians working on me. I was like, But it is real. And there are places underground where aliens do horrible things to people. And but, you know, the thing is, there's bases all over the world and sometimes 

Rich Bennett 28:20
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 28:21
sometimes they're not hurting humans. I think sometimes they're just here to study our planet, because this is a this is a gold, literally a gold mine. But this is a gold mine for them, number one. It's, it's in, in the. When I say it's on the root of like many of them that might be traveling through space, and this is a great spot to stop off and then go somewhere else. But it's also, you know, some of them just like to come here for vacation because it's such a cool place if we don't keep messing it up. But and they do. Some people just like to. I mean, some well, I call them people, but they like to come here and check out Earth. Some of them I know one of my favorite cat species she likes. They're scientists and, you know, archeologists. And she would this one would come here to study places where her species might have visited years before. 

Rich Bennett 29:10
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 29:11
And and if you know about the place in Turkey called Göbekli TAPI. Yeah, it's it looks like a temple but. And I am sure it was a somehow but there's also this round plate, you know like round. Circles, places where it's 

Rich Bennett 29:30
Oh. 

JoAnn Fawcett 29:30
it's clear that spacecraft could have just landed easily there. And there's many carvings of various animals. So it's like, okay, maybe this was the cat's wood. This is the place they landed their ship. Here are some dogs carved into the columns. You know, maybe this is where the dogs landed. There's a look. Here's some lizard looking things. It's like so various. It was a spaceport, and various aliens used it to land. 

Rich Bennett 29:55
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 29:56
I know. You know, it's like and when I was learning all this stuff, I was just absorbing it and, you know, learning. Okay, Aliens are real. UFOs are real. They come here by different means. And so just I was just learning the facts and it didn't take me and it's taken me. I mean, I've always loved the spiritual quote that I love to give. But it wasn't until these last few years that the spirituality of it and the connectedness of it really hit me because that's what I really it's like I love to teach people about aliens. And so I'll never not love that. But I'm also really, really touched by the connectedness and the spirituality of it. And, you know, it's like they want us to be part of their galactic community. We just. 

Rich Bennett 30:48
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 30:48
Step up our game. But so it's like. So it's it's taken on a whole new meaning for me, which I thoroughly love. 

Rich Bennett 30:56
See Now, you you just given me a new goal. 

JoAnn Fawcett 31:01
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 31:03
Seriously. One of my goals, and I know it would be kind of hard to happen. One of my goals for I guess I would love to get on the podcast would be a spirit. I would love to talk to them and find out. You know what's going on. You know, if they're hurting emotion, just all that. I would love to sit down and talk to an alien. I think that would be the number one. I probably the first and only podcast to do it. 

JoAnn Fawcett 31:32
If she would. 

Rich Bennett 31:32
But number two, I would just like to to learn more about, you know. 

JoAnn Fawcett 31:36
No, I know it's interesting because I have a whole team that likes to give me messages through my channel in person and there's been a couple of times now where I was preparing for a talk. 

Rich Bennett 31:51
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 31:51
And I said, you know, what would you like me to share? And some and I was asking, you know, those that were human and also, you know, the alien entities that will listen in and who like me as like, what would you like? The living audience to know and they will get you know, they gave me some like what I just said, just like the we want you to be part of the galactic community, but you need to raise raise your vibration or however you want to call it. You need to, you know, step up. So I will ask them as like, what do you want these people to know? And they will tell me. And sometimes I love I mean, I love to walk and I love nature. Thankfully, I live in a very walkable, lovely neighborhood. And I don't I carry my phone to measure my steps, but I'm not on my phone. I'm not listening. No offense. I'm not listening to podcasts when I'm walking. 

Rich Bennett 32:48
Well, you want to be aware of your surroundings. 

JoAnn Fawcett 32:50
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 32:51
So that's a good thing. 

JoAnn Fawcett 32:52
Yes. And I get I get inspiration. You know, they're feeding me messages of like, well, maybe you should talk about this, but I'll sometimes I will get. Okay, here's how you you here's what you talk This is how it is. It's like 

Rich Bennett 33:06
Mm hmm. 

JoAnn Fawcett 33:06
and even when I was writing both both of the books, it's like, you know, here's here's how you need to say it, because I kind of had in my mind, okay, I want to talk about this, but like, here's how you say it 

Rich Bennett 33:16
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 33:17
and here's exactly how it's going to have meaning for somebody. And I love that. I so appreciate that guidance. 

Rich Bennett 33:25
I just I would love. 

I just love learning about people. But, you know, to sit down with somebody like De. Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 33:39
I know. 

Rich Bennett 33:40
I could go on for hours. 

JoAnn Fawcett 33:41
I know. I one of the times I was in England, my my English friend there we were in Norwich and there's a big, you know, cathedral there and stuff. And then we're walking back through town. It's kind of like an open marketplace area and we're walking past this real estate office, even though they call it like estate manager, it's like it has a different name. Anyway, we're walking past there when, oh, look at this house, this picture of this house. And there was this picture of this. Like remodeled or restored or whatever. Edwardian era, big house, lots of bedroom, all five or six, eight bedrooms, added a big house and it had a paddock for your horses and it had a second little cottage. And an area for a garden is like that's, that's the how about I named that house and it's like so I'm, you know, I come home and I'm telling ex we got to write a cheque, we didn't have the money it's like but I need to write a check. This is the perfect place because it was like outside of the outskirts of a village, you know, it's not downtown. Long driveway, big field over here. With hours to go, the aliens could land with their spaceship there. It's got a big garden, you know, and big garden. We could all sit around and have tea. The cottage would be great for our friend to live in, and we could do retreats there and workshops. There's enough room for grandkids to come visit. I had it all planned out. I still want a place like that, you 

Rich Bennett 35:02
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 35:02
know, I'd still love to have a place where they could feel free to just land. And we're going to have tea today and sweets and, you know, someday maybe. I know, but, you know, he wasn't writing the check. Let me do. 

Rich Bennett 35:18
So So the book, Midlife Magic, is it? Well, it's more it's like a memoir, right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 35:24
It is a memoir. Both of my books are memoirs. 

Rich Bennett 35:28
So I did. How did you come up with the title? 

JoAnn Fawcett 35:32
Okay, again, inspiration. But 

when I was writing it well know, when I met number seven, I was in my early forties and after he and I had been talking and stuff and I was learning there's more to spirituality than just going to church. And I wanted to because he's in prison and I wanted to visit him rather than spend half a day on Sunday at church. And all of a sudden it just came to us like, okay, I don't need the Mormon Church anymore. And no big trauma happened there. I just didn't need it. And and now I'm on this new path and so it's like it happened in my forties. So that's kind of midlife. And then I started learning about magic and embracing all this cool stuff. So the title just came to me. Thank you very much, as did the cover. 

Rich Bennett 36:17
I love the cover. 

JoAnn Fawcett 36:18
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 36:19
That's her magic. 

JoAnn Fawcett 36:21
Yes, very. 

Rich Bennett 36:22
Different types of magic. So what kind of magic? 

JoAnn Fawcett 36:24
Well, it's not the the Las Vegas show Magic. I don't do card tricks. 

Rich Bennett 36:30
Sorry. Penn and Teller. Those. 

JoAnn Fawcett 36:32
It's for me. It's you. You will call. It is witchcraft, but it's very. I do. 

Rich Bennett 36:39
It's not black magic. 

JoAnn Fawcett 36:40
No, I only do white pauses as some. Sometimes I will admit I have kind of a negative thought about a couple people, but I. I stop it there. It's like, you know, if I. If I did practice dark arts, you know, something might happen to. But, you know, I try not to go there. But it's it's very based on because people ask me, are you wicked? And I would say, no. I definitely am drawn to like the older, traditional Celtic, British, Celtic, 

Rich Bennett 37:10
Oh. 

JoAnn Fawcett 37:10
Irish, Scottish. Yeah. Because, because that's where a lot of my lineages and because I am now like best friends with a wonderful. And I know she's listening. I can feel that smile. This wonderful woman who used to be a partner of my ex, but she died tragically in 1979 with her son and she was a, you know, high level witch in England. And she comes from that lineage and she has become one of my best friends. She she's my teacher. And I've just learned so much from her. So I think, you know, I am drawn to that that tradition of witchcraft. And and again, for me and I do explain this in the book because witchcraft is and I shouldn't say it's nothing more. It's it's honoring nature and honoring the planet. And it's science because. You know a lot of some witches got their their knowledge base from aliens so it's it's thousands of years old and alien species have their own witches. It's not a human thing. The raptors have their witches. My raptor guide is a sorceress from She's a raptor sorceress. So it's not just, you know, witches. As humans, we just can't claim that, You know, we're the only witches ever. No. 

Rich Bennett 38:38
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 38:39
But I it's just using 

intentions and good thoughts and maybe herbs and maybe some kind of spell to we we've this beauty into your life and create your best life. And maybe I don't do a lot of spells. I said a lot of intentions, but I really honor the planet and and that's what it is. Because, you know, Mother Earth is special and the Elementals and the the fairy realm, they're elementals. Like they love this planet. The Raptors love this planet. So what are we doing messing it up? 

Rich Bennett 39:19
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 39:20
Um. 

Rich Bennett 39:21
Chip, I'm glad you, you know, talking about the witchcraft, because a lot of people, when they you know, when they hear witches. They think of all the evil things. 

JoAnn Fawcett 39:30
I know. 

Rich Bennett 39:31
And it's I remember. Oh, my God. My grandma, my grandmother 

was she just loved reading and she was reading books on it. And she's because she's the one who explained to me about nature. 

JoAnn Fawcett 39:47
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 39:48
And that's. Yeah. And that's well it's yeah, that's how everything comes. I don't want to say tuition but she told me she goes yeah, all these evil things you hear, that is not the case. 

JoAnn Fawcett 40:01
And I will just say thank you to Tania. 

Rich Bennett 40:06
Titanium, 

JoAnn Fawcett 40:07
Titanium, Certainly. Yeah, she's very special. So now I'm going to cry. I've read some lovely fiction, historical fiction novels where they weave in some history about families 

Rich Bennett 40:19
right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 40:20
of witches. And again, it's using herbs. I mean, it's using herbs to, you know, help you heal or maybe chew because herbs have energy and it may help you with different things that you need. Is that evil? No. That's using a natural thing to help you with what you need. 

Crystals, you know, natural things. And they have lovely, energetic properties. 

Rich Bennett 40:47
Yes. 

JoAnn Fawcett 40:48
So it's just and again, one of the most beautiful parts that I've been I'm totally getting now is like writing the process of writing. And one of my other and she's very much alive, one of my other witchy teachers. She is a professional. 

Rich Bennett 41:06
I love that 

JoAnn Fawcett 41:06
I 

Rich Bennett 41:07
widget. 

JoAnn Fawcett 41:07
know. Yeah. I mean, she's she's a witch and she's a teacher and she's a. So I've taken lots of her classes. But she had said one time, you know, writing is magic. And for me, it's like, I get it because I am totally in this other zone, because I'm a bookkeeper. 

Rich Bennett 41:24
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 41:24
It's like 

Rich Bennett 41:25
I. 

JoAnn Fawcett 41:25
I do. But when I'm in my writing zone, it just kind of all comes together. And I never thought I'd be this prolific writer. And now I'm already thinking of ideas for book number three. And it's just it is it is magical and. 

Rich Bennett 41:43
I love the fact that you're already thinking of another book. 

JoAnn Fawcett 41:45
Yeah. Yeah. I've a new writing group has started that I'm part of. And my my witchy teacher I just mentioned, she and this other lady are hosting it and we go into trance and then we start writing and it's like, Oh, I've got, I've got an I got the new idea for the new book because I. Had had it had been germinating in my head because I knew I wanted to connect with my ancestors and 

Rich Bennett 42:11
Hmm. 

JoAnn Fawcett 42:11
especially the women and get some messages from them. But I also want to like have the trilogy. My, my two memoirs are kind of turning into a trilogy, but I want the third one to be like, I've really thrived and I've become this person I'm very proud of. After all this crap I've done, you know, endured. But so it's like, you know, it's like, I'm okay, but I also want to I'm really okay and I really want to include, you know, put my arm around my female ancestors. It's like, you know, tell us what your world was like. 

Rich Bennett 42:45
And in the book because you keep me, you mention your marriages. 

JoAnn Fawcett 42:50
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 42:50
So in the book, you also go you talk about all your marriages, right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 42:54
I do. Seven. 

Rich Bennett 42:57
Seven of them. 

JoAnn Fawcett 42:58
Seven. 

Rich Bennett 42:59
Lucky number seven, right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 43:01
Lucky because then catapulted me on to these cool things. Not so lucky. Turned out to be not so happy. 

Rich Bennett 43:10
So if you don't mind me asking, 

JoAnn Fawcett 43:12
No. 

Rich Bennett 43:12
How old? How old? When you first got married with your first. 

JoAnn Fawcett 43:16
I think I was 20 or 21. 

Rich Bennett 43:18
Okay. 

JoAnn Fawcett 43:18
I had completed two years of college. Yeah, some of them weren't. Yeah, some of them were. Not very long lived. Some of them were like maybe a year. A cup, you know, one. One or two were five years. Well, marriage numbers. Marriage number one was about a year. Marriage number two was probably less than a year because he committed suicide. That's my daughter's father. Yeah. Marriage number three lasted five years because it took like two, two and a half years to get the divorce because he was just nasty and for probably only lasted a year. I don't even know if we made it to our anniversary. Five was about five years and six was maybe a year or so, and seven was like we were together 25 years, married for just over 20. 

Rich Bennett 44:08
Sure. Now, which because one of them was very toxic. Right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:12
They're all toxic. 

Rich Bennett 44:14
Oh, really? 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:15
Yeah, there was 

emotional abuse. There was physical abuse. There was financial abuse. And number seven is a flaming narcissist. So he gets a whole book all about himself. 

Rich Bennett 44:30
Okay? 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:30
That is. Yes, it'll be 

Rich Bennett 44:31
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:31
out. It'll be out in June. 

Rich Bennett 44:34
And that's the prince was wrong, leaving the narcissist behind. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:37
Yes, it is. That'll. 

Rich Bennett 44:39
Okay. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:39
Soon enough. Just in time for his birthday. 

Rich Bennett 44:46
Nice birthday prayers. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:49
A little karma goes a long way. 

I have a sense of humor. 

Rich Bennett 44:56
And you have to. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:58
I know, 

Rich Bennett 44:58
You have to. 

JoAnn Fawcett 44:59
I know. 

Rich Bennett 44:59
But I guess my question, my biggest question for you is with these marriages and all of them being very toxic and the abuse. How hard was it? Because I'm sure you wanted to get out of out of them as quick as possible. 

JoAnn Fawcett 45:17
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 45:18
Some of them, you probably just couldn't get out right away. So. Oh, go ahead. 

JoAnn Fawcett 45:25
I'm going to say two things, because usually people say, well, you know, why did you get married so often? So I'll I'll share that for just a second, if that's okay. 

Rich Bennett 45:35
I wasn't going to ask that, but. Okay, 

JoAnn Fawcett 45:36
You 

Rich Bennett 45:36
Go. 

JoAnn Fawcett 45:37
can't. Yeah, it's okay. It's like, you know, part of it is because I grew up in the fifties. You have the image like I did of white picket fence, happy little family, blah, blah, blah. My family was not Mormons. But again, I grew up in the fifties. You know, my mom stayed at home except for a brief period of time. And, you know, that's what it was. My parents didn't always have a great marriage, but, you know, this is what I knew. And then I joined the Mormon Church, like when I was 12. And it's all very family oriented. And, you know, you find the one and you get married and you stay married forever and you have a million kids. Okay? The Divine Universe saw fit to only have me have one child, which was fine because if I'd had children with everyone, I'd be a basket case. There's also, you know, it's like when you're in your twenties and thirties and whatever your hormones are raging and you're not allowed to have you're not supposed to have sex before marriage. You're not supposed to live together before marriage when you're a mormon. And. They don't tell you, Oh, you should really talk about these kind of top you know, you should really get to know the person and what they're really like. Silly me. Thought, well, if we're going to the same church and, you know, supposedly we believe in all the Mormon stuff, then we're just naturally going to be happy together because that is not always the case. People, you know, I don't care what religion you are, that can't always be the case. And I soon found out that it's like, oh, who? And you know, and then especially if they're hitting you or they're just telling you, well, like you don't have a real job because you're not doing something physical. I I'm doing something with my head every day. But it's like, you know, and, and like, and especially in the Mormon Church, you know, right out of the Bible, you're supposed to be help meets. But, you know, the man is the head of the household. So excuse me. I'm just as smart as him. But it's like, you know, they kind of. 

Rich Bennett 47:29
Smarter. 

JoAnn Fawcett 47:29
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. But in my case, most of them just kind of lorded that over me. And you do what I say or, you know, where things aren't good. So. And some of the abuse had nothing to do with the church, but some of it was just, you know, they didn't want to work on any of the problems. You know, one caused me to have to file bankruptcy later because of, you know, the daddy put me in. And so it's just a series of things. But it it it wasn't great. And like, you know, with this husband that was hitting me, it's like, did I go to the cops? No. If you're if you're being hit, people go to the cops. I don't care if you're not beat to a pulp, go to the cops. Tell your church leaders and call the cops. You know, get that guy out of the out of the house. I didn't do. 

Rich Bennett 48:16
Do you have any brothers? 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:18
I have one brother. 

Rich Bennett 48:19
One brother. 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:20
Used to hit us. Poor guy. There's three sisters. And he used to. He used to punch on us every now and then. 

Rich Bennett 48:26
Well, the reason I ask is because I know a lot of times the. 

A woman is getting. Call the brother. And the brother would. And I've only. I know this. 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:42
I know people are in prison because they've protected. 

Rich Bennett 48:44
She did have it. 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:45
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 48:45
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, time for me to go open up a can of soup ass. 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:49
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 48:50
You know, you don't hit my sister. Well, we were brought up. You don't hit a woman here. 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:54
Right. Right. 

Rich Bennett 48:56
Yeah. Or a kid. And 

JoAnn Fawcett 48:58
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 48:58
mother. My brother. 

I was about to face ten years for that. 

JoAnn Fawcett 49:04
Oh, yeah, I. 

Rich Bennett 49:05
He didn't hit one. He clocked somebody that did it. 

JoAnn Fawcett 49:09
Yeah, I've heard stories that, you know, my ex knows people in prison because they were protecting their sister and they and, you know, but my brother was in California and I was in Ohio, and the hitting started. So there wasn't really anything. I couldn't call him. And I just. I never called the cops. I should have. But just one day I decided, okay, you're at work. You're going to be at work for two days. I'm packing up and I'm getting the heck out of here. I called my mom and my grandma. They sent me a ticket, and he came home from work and I said, We're leaving. You're driving us to the airport. But, you know, that was up. Yeah. And he did, you know, it was between two blizzards in Ohio. The weather's clear. I've got a ticket. You're flying us driving us to the airport. Yeah, but it was. That was the marriage that took a long time to extricate ourselves from because, you know, he was the husband after her dad had died. And silly me, I had let him adopt her. So then he wanted visitation and we didn't want anything to do with him. But I also wanted a minimal amount of child support, which he didn't want to pay. So, you know, the divorce took a long time because there was all this. So do you know and back then, it may have seemed like a lot of money because he never had any. But it's like 100 bucks a month. That's a pittance compared to what some people have to pay for child support. And I finally got it all, you know. I know. But I had to have, like the DA's office collect it and track it. And, you know, it's a mess, but. 

Rich Bennett 50:36
Oh, good. 

JoAnn Fawcett 50:37
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 50:38
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 50:38
but so some of them were harder to get out of. And sometimes it's just like the legal and I never had to go to court. I usually either don't, you know, sometimes I think I did the paperwork myself or one husband did it because he was in Utah and he, you know, had it done. But I never had to go to like a court in front of a judge. You know, paralegals helped or whatever. So that was good. 

Rich Bennett 51:01
So with all of this, everything you've been through, 

the good and the bad, how has it been on your mental health? 

JoAnn Fawcett 51:13
Well. There have been dark days, but never to the point like I have never will. Maybe once I thought, Well, maybe I shouldn't be here, but I've been in therapy since I moved to Oregon. I, you know, I. I flew up. I came here, you know, COVID hit. I couldn't see the ex. Anyway, I hated living in his house because it's falling apart. And it's like. And I saw this sign for this therapist, and she's become this godsend for me. And 

Rich Bennett 51:41
Good. 

JoAnn Fawcett 51:41
so that's really helped. And I still see her even as well as I'm doing. I still see her because I'm still dealing with a few niggly things with that guy. And, you know, so I'm still sometimes needing to vent. And so, yes, I have gone to therapy and this is like the second time I've been in therapy. I was in therapy when I was married to number six. And the reason we broke up was like, okay, I'm going to therapy. Can you come with me so we can discuss our home? No, it's all your fault. It's like, okay, by now I'm packing. Yeah, it's like, so your partner, it's like if. If they're not going to try and work on it together. If they even think it's only your fault, then go. 

Rich Bennett 52:22
That's why you got to work on it together. 

JoAnn Fawcett 52:24
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, 

Rich Bennett 52:26
No. 

JoAnn Fawcett 52:26
you know, it's like I've learned with the last one, it's like, if you can't. Just allow yourself to be vulnerable with your partner to talk about difficult things, even though it's difficult to talk about. That doesn't mean you have to get into an argument about it, but you have to be able to share vulnerable things. And like from him, when I would finally bring up what was bothering me about our relationship, it's like, well, a good wife should do this or that. A good wife should be this. It's like, Well, you didn't think so. He would just give it back to me. And. And you're going to love this because 

I. I had said because he wasn't real interested in being affectionate. And I said, you know, so like, what? What's the problem? You're in prison. I'm your wife. You know, you might want to make out with me every now and then on our little, ah, family visits. You should have tried to be prettier. 

My ugly f i. I mean, I was usually overweight, but not like, you know, fat, not £500. But yeah, he just didn't like me being overweight. And I should have tried to be prettier. So am I ugly. And you're in prison. Dude, you should be grateful for whatever you've got here. So it's like stuff like that. And yes, part of that is just because he's a jerk. And part of it is, you know, that's how narcissists think and talk. So. 

Rich Bennett 53:49
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 53:50
You know, and it's like I wrote that for. 

Rich Bennett 53:52
He's going to get his own book. 

JoAnn Fawcett 53:54
He is and he he I've never talked to him about it, but somehow he found out because there's people that listen to this podcast 

Rich Bennett 54:01
Oh. 

JoAnn Fawcett 54:01
I do and tell him stuff. But it's like, yeah, he told ah, the trustee for him. And it's like she's writing a scathing book. Yes, it is. And it's all true. And I have it. It's like I have letters from him where we were fighting in letters, and he would just read me out and, and, and the last time I saw him was almost a year ago in person. And he goes, I go, you remain. And he goes, I don't remember that. I said, Well, I've got it in writing. And now it's going to be in the book. And now it is in the book because I it's not like we had these in-person conversations where we were fighting about all this stuff. It's kind of a different way to do a memoir because you're supposed to like recall your conversation and create these scenes. Like, I got letters, I got the proof, I got quotes, I've got the letters sitting right here on my table. 

So he won't remember. He said half of that and he'll deny it. But I got it in writing, so. 

Rich Bennett 55:00
If you don't mind me asking, how long is he in prison for? 

JoAnn Fawcett 55:02
Life without parole. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 55:07
What? 

JoAnn Fawcett 55:08
Yeah, he got he got it falsely. I do believe he's in there on false charges. But he was charged and convicted with first degree murder for allegedly masterminding a murder that happened in 1982. And there there was a dead body. The kids that were working for him killed somebody and said he masterminded the whole thing and helped them dump the body. But, you know, I say you're talking about a military, highly trained individual. He wouldn't have had teenagers help him kill somebody, nor would would he have dumped a body and so that it could be found. I'm just saying. 

Rich Bennett 55:47
Now. 

JoAnn Fawcett 55:47
But anyway, so he's he got life without parole. The other kid got 25 to life, and the other kid got full immunity for testifying. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't agree with any of it. And I, you know, I'm sorry that he's there. 

Rich Bennett 56:02
That alone should be a book. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:04
I know. Well, yeah, it should be. I'm not going to write that. 

Rich Bennett 56:08
I mean, which I mean that just I don't know what I mean. Being, you know, being a marine myself. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:16
Oh, thank 

Rich Bennett 56:17
Yeah, 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:17
you for that. 

Rich Bennett 56:17
there are there are things that we are taught that we need. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:24
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 56:25
Teenagers especially to. Lemon. Okay. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:30
Again. 

Rich Bennett 56:30
Anyways. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:30
Again, this was a. Trained military officer. He 

Rich Bennett 56:35
Yeah. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:35
knows he knows how to kill and he knows how to hide the bodies. You know he'd 

Rich Bennett 56:40
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:40
you wouldn't he. And the. 

Rich Bennett 56:42
Something doesn't add up there. 

JoAnn Fawcett 56:44
No. And again, in his work, he pissed people off. So either they they masterminded this whole frame up job or the kids did it because they saw a golden opportunity to steal from this guy and blamed it on him. Like, Oh, good, we want him out of the picture because he, you know, he doesn't go along with our plan and this is a great way to do it. And while he was in prison, his dad was ill and got was poisoned. So, you know, his dad was murdered as well because they wanted them out of the way. Yeah, I know. It is a book and it is a book and he's written a lot of stuff. I just can't write that book about him. Somebody else needs to do that. 

Rich Bennett 57:23
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 57:24
I want to write a book about his dad because his dad is a military hero in his own right, and he's one of my favorite best friends, too. You know, I talk to him regularly. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 57:33
Holy cow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 57:34
I know. 

Rich Bennett 57:36
Oh, okay. So for all my listeners out. Tell them why they need to purchase mid-life magic. Your book, Your memoir. 

JoAnn Fawcett 57:48
Thank you for asking, because 

it doesn't matter how old you are, it doesn't matter what you're going through. You can change your life and make it better at any age. You can choose a different path at any age and create your best life. And there are ways to heal, you know? The reason why I put all the husbands in there, because that is part of my whole journey and I've learned a lot of things. So if you you know, if you want that part of my head, you know, if you want those lessons, okay, only read the first half. But, you know, if you want the whole package you want, you might want to read the other half, but to me it all kind of blends together. And then the next one is kind of the same thing, but it's all about narcissism and the lessons I learned and how I got through it. So, you know, I, I hopefully you'll want to read both books, but yeah, definitely. It's only 110 pages, so it's not a long read. 

Rich Bennett 58:46
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 58:46
So, you know, I hopefully my my hope is that people will glean something that will give them hope that their life can find some joy if they're in a stuck place and feeling a lot of pain. And, you know, there's people out there who care about them. And, you know, if they want to reach out to me privately, I'm happy to give them some support. I just I want to give people hope that things can be better. 

Rich Bennett 59:12
Where is the best place for them to purchase the book? 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:15
I have a website Dragon Hill Books dot net. If they want a signed copy and it's also on Amazon and books and no. Barnes and Noble, you 

Rich Bennett 59:25
BARNES 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:25
know, all the all the not all the usual platforms. 

Rich Bennett 59:29
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:29
And then my new website is just my name, Joanne, for sitcoms. So that book is on there because that leads you to the other website and the new book. You know, there's a glimmer of that on there, so that'll be out soon. 

Rich Bennett 59:42
Okay. So for all of you listening. When you purchase. Because if you search on Amazon, you're going to find a ton of books 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:51
Called 

Rich Bennett 59:51
that 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:51
that. 

Rich Bennett 59:51
are called midlife magic. This is midlife magic, The Journey of Jo Ann Richards. 

JoAnn Fawcett 59:56
Yeah. So if you put in the Jo Ann Richards, it'll come up. 

Rich Bennett 59:59
Right. So when you after you purchased the book, even if you purchased it from her. After you read it, go on Goodreads, Amazon, wherever else you can leave reviews, leave 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:10
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:11
a full review and 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:13
Thank 

Rich Bennett 1:00:13
I'm 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:13
you. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:13
going to specify full review. In other words, if you give it five stars, if you give it four, even if you give it one star, Right? Why? Because that's what makes I hate you. No, I don't. If it's just five stars and not telling me why, that doesn't help. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:30
And if. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:31
Full review. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:31
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:31
That helps. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:32
Thank you. And if you go on the new website, there are some quotes and there may be I don't know if there's some on the old the Dragon Hill books, but if you go on the new Joanne Fawcett website, there are some quotes by people who have read it. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:48
That's Joanne Fall sitcom, right? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:50
It is Fossett like Fossett books. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:55
I'll make sure that I have that 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:56
Well, thank you. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:57
well. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:00:57
I. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:58
So that is a wow. Who designed that website for you? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:02
In that. Beautiful. I have a. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:03
It is. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:04
I have a friend, Laurie, in Fenton, and she put it together. A lot of the photography, all a lot of I mean, it's all nature based except for just a couple of things. But my nephew is a a firefighter and a photographer, bird dog photography. So a lot of that is his work. So I. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:21
Wow. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:22
I wanted it to give you a sense of peace and healing, because that's what I'm all about now. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:30
Okay, Joanne, I have to ask. Because on this one I can see the cover for the Prince was wrong. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:38
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:39
But before I ask about that 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:41
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:41
midlife magic, who actually created the cover for that? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:46
I had the idea and I. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:48
Okay. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:01:48
I engaged a friend of mine in England who's a graphic designer, and her name is Sonia Finch. So Sonia Finch, creative design. She's a beautiful artist. And I said, Here's what I want. And she did exactly what I wanted. And then she added some extra fairies in there. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:06
That is a beautiful cover. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:09
And that's me, because I'm on this journey towards the light. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:13
Right 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:14
Yeah. So I just the 

Rich Bennett 1:02:15
at. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:16
thought came into my head and it's like, okay, this is what I need, Sonia. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:20
I said the prince was wrong, leaving the narcissus behind coming out in the summer. Who created that? How? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:26
Well, that. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:27
That cover is also. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:28
And I do. And I don't know if that's going to be the final cover because we need. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:31
Oh, it's got to be. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:32
Okay. Well, I'll tell my publisher because I've given him another idea. Luria. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:36
Okay. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:37
I didn't have the other cover, Laurie, and came up with that because number one, prints the prints is the nickname for the X. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:45
Right. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:02:46
And I would tell him that, you know, you're not always right. Oh, yes, I am. Yes, I am. The book had to be The Prince was Wrong. And then I put the Narcissus in there. But and she and I were talking last night. I go, Yeah, the prince was so wrong. She goes, Yeah, you should have had. That is the title I got I didn't think about at the time but so she, she 

Rich Bennett 1:03:04
That's 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:04
came up 

Rich Bennett 1:03:04
the secret. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:04
with that little cover. Oh I think you'll get the picture if you just read. The Prince was wrong, but she came up with that for now. And and I have the the publisher because my daughter was thinking, you know, it's like you should have like this guy sitting there and the crown is coming off his head, like, getting smashed and you're walking out the door. So I don't know which one will go with, but, you know, we needed one quicker for the website. So and if I don't like with the publishers coming up with, I'll tell them this one. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:37
Or you can have that picture, but behind bars. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:41
I could. I could. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:43
There's a lot you could do. I like that one. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:45
Isn't that a cool cover? Yeah. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:47
Is awesome. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:48
She's done several book covers, but. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:50
So before I get to my last question, is there anything you would like to add? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:03:56
Well, just just know that, you know, no matter where you are, um, things can get better. I mean, I. You know, I'm almost 70, and I totally live in my best life. You know, I'm going to retire. I've. I've got this inspiration. I want to keep writing. There's new people in my life that I'm really happy about. 

And, you know, it's like there's just great things are going to happen so it can happen. And I. You know, I just I want to help people. I want to kind of be retired, but I also want to help people. I really see, you know, this is kind of morphing into this whole healing, helping thing. So, you know. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:40
70 must be the new 40. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:04:42
It must be because I got lots of energy. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:45
And you look younger than me. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:04:47
Well, my daughter's in her mid-forties, so. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:52
Oh, 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:04:52
I. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:52
yeah. Okay. One minute. I do the math. I'm thinking, wait a minute. But then I realized my son's thirt 31, so. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:04:58
Yeah. Yeah. My. My oldest grandchild is 21. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:02
Yeah. Huh. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:03
21. Yeah. The oldest. I have three grandchildren. 15, 18 and 21. Yeah. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:09
I'm still, still waiting. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:13
Very well. Well, that's okay. That's okay. My daughter doesn't have any grandchildren yet, so that's okay. There's no rush. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:21
I. I told my son, you know, get married first. Daughter get married? I finally. Yeah. I mean, at least she's got a boyfriend now who I like. He's cool, but. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:33
How old is she? 

Rich Bennett 1:05:35
She's 22. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:36
Well, she has 

Rich Bennett 1:05:37
She's 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:37
she. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:37
got to go. Yeah, she can wait a while. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:39
Has she gone to school? 

Rich Bennett 1:05:42
Oh. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:42
You do college and all that. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:44
Yes, she. And she is a hell of a writer. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:05:49
Oh, cool. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:50
And she stopped doing it. I wish she would get back into it because I've even had two authors. Look at some of her stuff. It's a dollar in. Once she finishes the manuscript, I can see you're getting published right away. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:05
Well. And even if people. Yeah, if people don't want to share it publicly, I also try to journal every day. So 

Rich Bennett 1:06:12
Mm hmm. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:13
you know. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:13
And she was doing that for a long time. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:15
Cool. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:15
Stores or not. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:16
Cool. Cool. But yeah, it's. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:19
He's got to get back to. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:20
Yeah, it's that's, you know, one of my things, it's like even if you don't want to be a corporate career, but like, get educated so that somehow so that you can be employable all. Because 

you don't want to you don't want to have to rely on somebody and then, you know, not not be able to take care of yourself. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:43
She works at a daycare, which she loves 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:45
Great, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:45
where. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:46
great, great. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:46
Especially of kids on the spectrum. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:48
Yeah. Yeah. And. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:49
She's very good with. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:06:51
You know, it's like I 

well, I had a skill. I had the bookkeeping skill before I had my daughter. So that that was helpful. You know, and my daughter's educated, but she didn't do her college stuff till after her kids came along. But now, you know, now we look at telling her girls, like, get your get your education, get your you know, get yourself on your track before you worry about having kids and, you know. La, la, la, la. So, you know, just. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:19
Remember, the education never stops. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:07:21
No, I'm still learning about all kinds. I take classes all the time. So, 

Rich Bennett 1:07:25
I'm learning all the time about stuff, even 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:07:26
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:27
about kids still. So, 

so well, of all the shows that you've been on, all the different interviews. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:07:36
Uh huh. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:37
Is there anything that a host has never asked you? That you wish they would have asked you. And if so, what would be the question and what would be your answer? 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:07:51
I don't think they've asked me, you know, because the shows have either been about UFOs or the relationship 

Rich Bennett 1:07:56
Mm 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:07:56
stuff. You know, lately they're mostly about the relationship stuff, but they I don't think they've asked me. It's like, what's next? And, you know, they've asked me, you know, do I hope to find love again or whatever it's like. But, you know, for me, it's I don't think anybody's asked me like, well, how are you going to attract you? How do you how do you break the pattern? How do you attract the the better person or the right 

Rich Bennett 1:08:19
hmm. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:08:19
person or whatever? And so I, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:22
The question. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:08:22
I know because that's also part of the work. And for me, it's it's becoming who I need to be. And also, here's the thing. 

I'm a Leo and it's probably very clear in this, but I've let like I keep telling people I have let the Leo out and I think she was stuffed in a cage for 50 some odd years and it's like I'm letting her out. And if you don't like me, swipe on that dating app, if I tell, you know, the few people I've had first dates with, it's like, you know, I'm very transparent about my life. If you ask me, I'm going to tell you I've been married seven times. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. But I'm very transparent, obviously, I'm ready to books like so my whole life is spread out in those books and I can't rein myself back. And I don't want to overpower anybody. I want to be complementary with somebody. So, you know, that's that's that's working. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:21
She is Leo here? Her rule or. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:09:24
Yes. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:25
I love that. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:09:25
So do I. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:27
Joe, thanks so much. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:09:29
Thank you. You're a delight. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:31
Thank you. It's been an honor. Definitely a true pleasure. 

JoAnn Fawcett 1:09:35
Oh, thank you. Have a wonderful rest of your day.