Spiritual Insights and Emotional Healing with Joy Giovanni

In this heartfelt episode, Rich Bennett and co-host Wendy Beck welcome back the insightful Joy Giovanni to discuss her successful podcast journey, spiritual growth, and the power of intuition. Joy shares her personal experiences and offers profound advice on emotional healing, dealing with grief, and reconnecting with one's spiritual side. Wendy opens up about her own challenges in parenting through trauma and grief, seeking guidance on how to regain her intuitive connection. Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with wisdom, personal stories, and practical advice for anyone on their own journey of healing and self-discovery.

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Transcript

Rich Bennett 0:00
A little over a year ago, I sat down with this young lady. I saw what she was doing and I was just blown away by what she was doing. So of course I had to get her on the podcast. And, you know, we spoke, had a good conversation, and I went on her show and she did a reading of me and. I. 

I was just blown away. I was blown away. My sister and a couple other people in my family watched that episode and they're like my sister especially. She's like, Oh my God, she's dead on it. No pun intended. But I mean, so I have Joy Giovanni back on. And of course, I am joined by my lovely co-host, Wendy Beck. 

Wendy Beck 0:44
Thank. 

Rich Bennett 0:44
And we're going to be catching up with Joy's finally, how her podcast is doing and what else she's been doing. And basically just everything said, How are you doing, Joy? 

Joy Giovanni 0:54
Hey, it's an honor to be back. And Wendy, it's an honor to meet you. We talked a little bit about you last time. 

Wendy Beck 0:59
Nice to meet you. 

Joy Giovanni 1:00
So I'm happy to be here. Everything is life's life. And you know how it is. 

Rich Bennett 1:07
So before we were talking, because one of the things I mentioned to Joy, I believe on the last time we record a little over a year ago was how she needs to monetize her podcast. Because she should have sponsors now and she doesn't. So now I'm going to blow her away. Okay. She's 74 episodes in and actually, anybody listen, if you have a business, if you want to become a sponsor of Julie's podcast. Just Google Joy, Giovanni, and you'll know who exactly I'm talking about. But you ready for these numbers, Joy? 

Joy Giovanni 1:42
I am because you look at the charts much more than me. 

Rich Bennett 1:45
Okay. This is a quote, Gordon, according to good page, which I say is like Billboard meets social media. 

Wendy Beck 1:51
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:52
Podcast app so you are for the you're. 100. All time chart for meditation. 

Joy Giovanni 2:01
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 2:02
You're number five. In the top 100. Number five four in the all time chart for afterlife. Podcast. 

Joy Giovanni 2:11
Or. 

Rich Bennett 2:12
Number ten. Number ten all time chart. For Medium podcast. 

Joy Giovanni 2:20
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 2:21
You're in love. This one Number 18 all time chart. This isn't weekly or monthly. This is all time chart for intuition 

Joy Giovanni 2:30
Okay, 

Rich Bennett 2:31
and. 

Joy Giovanni 2:31
I'm. I'm making notes. If you can't tell, I'm like, this is all news to me. 

Rich Bennett 2:35
A number 30 for all time chart again for spiritual. 

Joy Giovanni 2:42
Wow. 

Rich Bennett 2:43
So. 

Joy Giovanni 2:43
For those numbers. 

Rich Bennett 2:44
Needless to say, you are kicking tail. 

Joy Giovanni 2:48
Well, you know, it's just I just get the inspiration. And when I'm being the best of myself, I follow the inspiration that Spirit gives me and keep plugging along. And the joke that I continuously get in my own, like intuition is just chop wood, carry water, just do the thing and be consistent and do your best and show up. And I just was in a professional development workshop with some other like heart led business owners this weekend, and one of the other gals said, We're not the Ways and Means Committee. We just show up and keep doing our best and put it out into the universe. And that's the rest, you know, getting in front of people. 

Wendy Beck 3:28
Yeah, I love that. 

Joy Giovanni 3:29
No. 

Wendy Beck 3:30
That's kind of like the nonprofit world, too. You just get up and just keep going. Like, I love chop chop the wood, carry the water that that is exactly how I feel on a daily basis. 

Joy Giovanni 3:40
The only part I can do is like 

Wendy Beck 3:43
Yeah. You just 

Joy Giovanni 3:44
the 

Wendy Beck 3:44
keep 

Joy Giovanni 3:44
rest. 

Wendy Beck 3:44
doing your mission and. And the rest falls into place. That's amazing. 

Joy Giovanni 3:49
What's funny is it took my coach probably I work with a coach I believe in. I believe in practicing what I preach. So I have someone that helps me, that helps me keep on track that sometimes can see things in me that I'm not maybe willing to accept in myself. And she took her year to convince me to even do the podcast, cause I was like, Oh, it's too. I'm not very techie. I'm not going to be able to figure out these platforms. It it feels overwhelming, like what? You know? So then I just started putting the pieces together and doing it and my intention with it, because there's so much noise out there, right? No matter what your field is, whether it's real estate or mediumship or anything in between, there's so much noise and I just wanted to create a trustworthy resource. As we know, one of the beauties of this type of platform is that it just stays out there in Internet Neverland forever so people can find, you know, the resource of it years later. And I'm pretty discerning with who I have on as guests. And I try to do my best with what I talk about. So just to create, you know, at least a reasonably trustworthy resource for people. So it's if that's my mission that that is kind of like the only piece of it besides the, you know, the PS and Qs of putting it together. That's the only part I'm responsible for that feels like I can do that. 

Rich Bennett 5:08
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 5:08
You know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 5:10
Well, thank you. Thank you for that inspiration. I don't want to say anything but like, yes, I feel like there's a podcast in my future which Rich 

Joy Giovanni 5:19
Oh. 

Wendy Beck 5:19
is going to like, you know, hogtied me and. 

Joy Giovanni 5:22
I'm happy to chat 

Rich Bennett 5:23
No, 

Joy Giovanni 5:23
up. 

Rich Bennett 5:23
no, no, no, no, 

Joy Giovanni 5:23
You. 

Rich Bennett 5:23
no, no. All right, wait. 

Wendy, one of one of the other reasons I wanted you to co-host this was because of Joy doing her podcast. And I know you want 

Wendy Beck 5:34
Cool. 

Rich Bennett 5:34
to start your own podcast. 

Wendy Beck 5:38
And like you said, 

Rich Bennett 5:39
What 

Wendy Beck 5:39
it's. 

Rich Bennett 5:39
was the role I had? You still had to co-host with me, though. 

Wendy Beck 5:42
Yeah, I will. That's not a problem. That. 

Joy Giovanni 5:44
That's a different dynamic. It's probably five. 

Wendy Beck 5:46
Yes. Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 5:47
If you're anything like me, girl, I have a thousand questions about everything all the time. So it's. I'll do my research on someone if they have a book. I try to read it, that kind of thing. Just so I'm coming with wisdom to the conversation. But within 5 minutes I have probably 20 questions anyway, 

Wendy Beck 6:03
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 6:03
so I feel like you're probably like that too. And that kind of creates the episode. 

Rich Bennett 6:08
Well, And the 

Wendy Beck 6:08
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 6:08
thing is, with what, Wendy, you like with yours, Joy, your podcast is unique, okay? Not everybody is in that field with what Wendy wants to do. You know, her podcast is going to be unique because it's strictly about addiction recovery. At least I think it is. Unless. 

Wendy Beck 6:24
Well, yeah. I mean, for the most part. Yeah, I found it and started a nonprofit organization ten years ago. I joined Rich. You know, it's I think it's been longer than a year. We've been doing this podcast and then it's been it's been a minute. And so I just that's, it's, it's so fun for me. I love it. I love meeting people. I love talking to people and asking the questions, like you said. And I just feel like as part of a nonprofit, it would be a good addition to the organization. 

Joy Giovanni 6:55
Yeah, absolutely. And a good resource for people, even even a new pathway in to understand your work, to get the resources maybe they need to help with a nonprofit, you know. 

Wendy Beck 7:06
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 7:07
So many, 

Wendy Beck 7:07
So thank you for the inspiration and I'm 

Joy Giovanni 7:09
many 

Wendy Beck 7:10
going to 

Joy Giovanni 7:10
times. 

Wendy Beck 7:10
be quite patient. 

Rich Bennett 7:12
Yeah, but the only thing, Joy. 

Joy Giovanni 7:13
I don't know all the things I don't get to. 

Rich Bennett 7:16
Joy to you. Anything you said chopping wood and carrying water. 

Joy Giovanni 7:19
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 7:20
Which means Wendy's now going to remember that phrase, and I know she's going to use it again with some of her other phrase phrases. She comes up with like nuts, the soup or whatever it was and some other things. Yeah. Thanks for that, Joy, because I'm never going to hear the end 

Joy Giovanni 7:38
Well, 

Rich Bennett 7:38
and. 

Joy Giovanni 7:38
that is an ancient proverb that. 

Wendy Beck 7:39
Well and that's. Yeah, 

Joy Giovanni 7:41
Phrase, 

Wendy Beck 7:41
that. 

Joy Giovanni 7:41
but chop wood. And it applies to anything, even when we're trying to make a change in our, you know, health, for example. Well, what's the building blocks to make a change? You're not going to flip a switch and all of a sudden tomorrow you've got your health in check. It's know do the do the chop wood, carry water, whatever it is, do your meal prep, go for your walk. 

Wendy Beck 7:58
Slow and steady wins the race. All of that fun. 

Joy Giovanni 8:00
Exactly. 

Wendy Beck 8:01
Yeah, 

Joy Giovanni 8:01
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 8:01
exactly. 

Joy Giovanni 8:02
Exactly. 

Wendy Beck 8:03
That's all. All us worker bees know that because you don't get anywhere if you don't put the work in. 

Joy Giovanni 8:09
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 8:10
What is this episode becoming? Nothing but a bunch of pawns. 

Wendy Beck 8:13
Maybe. 

Joy Giovanni 8:14
Not upon. 

Rich Bennett 8:15
Working bees and. 

Wendy Beck 8:18
Slow and steady wins the race. 

Rich Bennett 8:20
Slow and steady wins the race. 

Joy Giovanni 8:21
You could choose your favorite and have it as your own little mantra. 

Rich Bennett 8:24
Well, mine was always if it is to be, it is up to me. But I don't believe in that anymore. Because a lot of things require a team. 

Wendy Beck 8:34
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 8:35
Team is more than one person. So, you know. So. 

Joy Giovanni 8:39
Each party has to contribute their ingredients 

Rich Bennett 8:42
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 8:43
to the sauce, Right? 

Rich Bennett 8:44
Yeah, a prime example. Like with this, there's a lot of people that I would have never had on the podcast if it wasn't for Wendy. Because she's more familiar with the recovery world. I'm not. Know. Now I'm trying to expand her horizons and introduce her to more people outside the UK. So join with with your podcast. Since it's been over a year, which probably the biggest, I don't want to say challenge yet, but one of the biggest things that have has surprised you so far with it besides the charts that I read. 

Joy Giovanni 9:21
Well, I mean, that's pretty that's pretty surprising for for this week. For those that don't know the podcast so called Spirit Speakeasy, you can find it across all the platforms, all the places. I also post the video version on my website, Joyful Medium.com. Some people like the video version of things better, but it is on all the podcast platforms the most a challenge or something that's been surprising for me. I guess maybe 

it's been just the feedback that I get. I think that's really interesting just because a lot of times doing podcasting, I mean, right now I'm in my living room. I usually record from home 

Rich Bennett 10:00
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 10:00
just because I can plug directly into the Internet, which is such an important part of of the the magic of the platform. Right. But I think it's we feel me anyway, I'll speak for myself. I sometimes feel like I'm talking into this living room void. I might imagine a few people I know who listen, you know, like I'm talking to them. But there are times, just like with anything in life where, you know, you kind of get in that mood of like, am I is this even like, what am I? Like, This is really time consuming. Is this even worth it? Is this is anyone hearing this? Is it just, you know, because we can only track the downloads in the podcast world, not the listeners. So I really don't know how many people are listening. And it seems like every time I get the little wind of feeling like that, a few people will just drop me an email saying, Oh, you don't know how much that podcast meant to me. Not long ago I had a client come into the office that I hadn't seen in like a year. She's a civil rights attorney in I'm in California. She's in another part of the country. And she said, you know, you did an episode. It's called Balances B.S. It's stepping into ebb and flow. 

Rich Bennett 11:05
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 11:05
She's like, That meant so much to me. And I've shared it with everyone I know, all the attorneys 

Wendy Beck 11:11
Wow. 

Joy Giovanni 11:11
at my firm, all that. So that's I. 

Wendy Beck 11:13
I'm interested. 

Joy Giovanni 11:14
Surprising 

Wendy Beck 11:14
So 

Joy Giovanni 11:15
to me. 

Wendy Beck 11:15
it's. 

Joy Giovanni 11:15
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 11:16
US. What is it? Spiritual speakeasy. Is that what you said? 

Joy Giovanni 11:19
Spirit Speakeasy. 

Wendy Beck 11:20
Spirit speakeasy. Okay. Now, is it just something that, you know, do you have guests or is it like a solo type of thing? I mean, how do you. 

Joy Giovanni 11:30
It's both. So I alternate. Typically, if you if you see a week where I'm not alternating, it's because either a guest fell through or something is going on. But typically it's every other week, a guest episode and then the next week, a me episode. Eventually, in the beautiful world of podcasting, if it becomes, you know, top level, I could see doing two episodes a week, an interview episode. And in a solo episode, the solo hour just chats kind of you and me chats where I'm teaching about a topic or talking about I just did one this room we were recording at the beginning of June, so I did one last month in May about dating as a spiritual person and what that's like for me. And, 

Rich Bennett 12:09
Oh. 

Joy Giovanni 12:10
you know, do I tell people I'm a medium right away? And so they're fun, but some of them are about angels and how to connect with Angel. Some are about intuition. The one that released this week was I have a friend that's an astrologer in Canada, and she comes twice a year and gives us the astrology predictions for the next six months. So the energy to kind of be looking for and how to harness it. So it's a little bit of everything. The way I say it is the mediums, mystics and spiritual luminaries of our time. 

Rich Bennett 12:39
I never thought about that with the dating part because I just. 

Joy Giovanni 12:42
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:43
Corrie in an episode with two young ladies that started a podcast called Two Girls of Cancer. They both had. Sir. No one is a single mom. And one of the episodes they did was about her dating, how hard it is. 

Joy Giovanni 12:58
Hi back. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
I mean, how hard is that for you? You know, when you say, yeah, I'm a I'm a medium. 

Joy Giovanni 13:04
Um, you know, I'm pretty out with it right away. If it's not happening in the first phone conversation, it's happening and the first date. Just because this is such a big part of my life at this point. And if we're not in alignment or or if they're not, you know, accepting of it or have have a strong resistance to it, then we're just not a good match. And that's okay. Um, in some ways, all of the personal development and work that I've done just make me know what I, I'm looking for a little bit more, but my joke is always that I'm looking for a golden needle in a haystack. And there's a lot of hay out there. Trust me, I know I'm not for everybody. Like I'm not. That's okay, too. Like, I'm not for everybody, just as everyone's not for me. So I think it's just trying to have good experiences and and how to move through it in a way that's, I don't know, maybe working from the highest version of ourself. 

Rich Bennett 13:59
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 13:59
Because dating's interesting. It's an interesting 

Rich Bennett 14:03
Well, 

Joy Giovanni 14:03
world. 

Rich Bennett 14:03
especially because you're a single mom as well. And then. 

Joy Giovanni 14:07
I mean, yes, but my kids are grown, so they're 23 and 25 now, so. 

Rich Bennett 14:11
Are they? 

Joy Giovanni 14:12
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 14:13
Wow. 

Joy Giovanni 14:14
Crazy. 

Rich Bennett 14:17
I am. Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 14:17
I am a mom, but 

Rich Bennett 14:19
But you. 

Joy Giovanni 14:19
they don't. 

Wendy Beck 14:20
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 14:20
They're very little. 

Rich Bennett 14:21
But it's still but it still has to be hard because I'm sure, you know, at 23 and 25, they're probably now acting as your parent like way is. Enough for Mom. Yeah, We have 

Joy Giovanni 14:34
No, I had them when I was so young that in some ways I think we do have a different type of friendship. But in other ways, I'm I'm still the mom. And they probably won't even they won't even hear about someone until I'm dating them on a more consistent basis, which quite frankly, hasn't, hasn't happened. Happens. I've been single since, like September, August, September of 2020. So it's been it's been a while. 

Rich Bennett 14:58
Damn COVID, right? 

Joy Giovanni 15:00
It was you know, there's there's gems to be had from any traumatic situation. 

Rich Bennett 15:06
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 15:07
That's what's how a lot of us started doing podcasts. That's how, you know, we started learning to connect in different ways. There's some good that came out of it. It's highlighted a lot of things that weren't working and in a lot of our lives, and that was true for me and the relationship I was in, which is how I became single during the height of COVID. So. 

Rich Bennett 15:27
What made you actually think and I know I asked you this last time, but a lot of people listening now may not know what actually made you decide to start a podcast. 

Joy Giovanni 15:35
My coach nagging me for a year and telling me this is the next thing for you. This is the next thing for you. And as the other side of that coin, what I'm supposed to be doing is also, you know, getting myself on other people's podcasts, which, oh, feels like I need I'd need someone else to do that for me because, you know, it's then your reach. I'm reaching out for guests and then I'm. Yeah, I'm trying to do that outside, too. Plus, it's not even yeah, it's not even my primary work. I'm, I'm a media most of the time, so that's what I actually do. The podcast is just something else. 

Rich Bennett 16:05
Yeah, I was going. 

Joy Giovanni 16:06
I'm enjoying. 

Rich Bennett 16:07
Yeah. And the other thing too, with 

because you want to get on another podcast, it's all talk about well of course your podcast and be in a. 

Joy Giovanni 16:17
Whatever they want to talk about. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 16:18
Yeah, but I, I mean, I would focus on now in the future and I'm sure you get a lot of people want to talk about the past, but. 

Joy Giovanni 16:26
Um. 

Rich Bennett 16:27
Let's focus on that. 

Joy Giovanni 16:29
I don't know 

Wendy Beck 16:29
I'm 

Joy Giovanni 16:29
if. 

Wendy Beck 16:29
interested in. 

Joy Giovanni 16:30
Talk about my past. 

Wendy Beck 16:31
I'm interested in what she had to say about, like, kind of fostering your ear, your intuition. And here's a here's a question for you. Can I freely ask questions? Because, 

Joy Giovanni 16:41
It's whatever you. 

Wendy Beck 16:42
you know. Okay. So what happens when. All right, this is going to sound really weird or, you know. 

Joy Giovanni 16:50
I doubt it. But. Okay. 

Wendy Beck 16:52
What happens. Okay. You have had experiences where your intuition has been very strong and it's been very correct. In the past, based on like your life and trauma and all of this stuff. And so you had a period of time where your intuition was heightened. You know what I mean? Your gut was just telling you all this stuff all the time and and 90% of the time, remove that 10% of fear and 90% of it was true. And then you went through a period of time where, you know, you just now your gut or your intuition is working in overdrive and you can't trust it. So how do you how do you how do you get back to that authenticity? Meaning like, you know, as being a mom, as as having things that you worry about and and when you are a mom who is, you know, kind of parenting out of fear at for one reason years ago and now you're a new mom, a mom again, to a to a teenager or a young adult. And your intuition, you just you're not really sure how to read it anymore because you don't know if you're if it if it's old, if it's, you know, you know, what am I trying to say? Like. 

Joy Giovanni 18:11
If you're being triggered from something 

Wendy Beck 18:12
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 18:12
from the past. 

Wendy Beck 18:13
Yes. So how do you how do you bring it back to this authentic, authentic, you know, gut intuition that you once really just trusted and now you're kind of like, all right, I'm I'm not sure if I can trust it. If I if I know what's happening anymore. Like, how do you how do you scale back and, like, start again? How do you get to reinvent that? 

Joy Giovanni 18:40
And I think. For most people, there's some version of this question that applies to them. I often will hear it as How do I know the difference between what's my intuition and what's my anxiety, or what's 

Wendy Beck 18:51
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 18:51
my mind, my busy mind, right? It's probably the least sexy part of the work. And I don't know if you're gonna like this answer, but 

Wendy Beck 18:58
No, no, no. 

Joy Giovanni 18:59
then 

Wendy Beck 18:59
It's 

Joy Giovanni 18:59
the 

Wendy Beck 18:59
fine. 

Joy Giovanni 18:59
truth is it's it's our personal development and our emotional processing, because what happens is we just naturally, as humans, we want to push that fear down or those old past things that have happened to us. We might have processed a little bit. And then we think, okay, now I'm done with that, I'm going to move on. But once we've had a traumatic or even a challenging experience, it's a part of us Good or bad or indifferent. It's a part of us. And the way to have that discernment about which thing, which part of you is the fear part talking? Or is that the intuitive part talking is in a in a consistent way to be doing some sort of personal development, whether it's working with a therapist, whether it's doing, you know, self evaluation, and whether it's even just asking yourselves questions, what am I afraid of in this situation? What am I afraid of if that happens? And really getting down to the the root of the fear for yourself. So that's kind of in an ongoing way so that you don't feel as much like you're getting tossed in and out of the waves of certainty versus uncertainty. But I will say just in a in the moment, really the voice of anxiety or fear tends to be much louder. And the voice of intuition tends to be that soft, still voice, much quieter. It still is recurring and nagging, but it's typically coming in when where I understand Siri doesn't understand what? She never wants to talk to me when I'm trying to talk to her. So sorry about that. So there's just this feeling of, you know, is it that. Mind racing, rolling over all the possibilities, or is it. Oh, I'm moving some laundry from the washer to the dryer, and all of a sudden I get this very soft. Go look in that closet. Do you know what I mean? It's just two different feelings. And when we're in an emotionally heightened place, especially if we're actively in grief, for example, or have something a little triggering or traumatic going on in our lives actively, sometimes that quiet voice feels like it slips away more. It's just that the emotions are so loud and really all of the intuition works through the sensing, through the emotions. So you can imagine. Then let's just use grief as an example. If your grief is really loud, it's going to make that soft still voice seem so much quieter and more watery. So the only way around is through its It's, for example, someone that's like a new mom, like you said, that maybe had a challenge previously as that person parents this new person. Right. It is going to trigger some things from the past and it's sitting and for a lot of people's journaling, evaluating how is this different? Can I trust myself here? And if not, why? What's that fear of trusting myself and really just reworking the emotions? Sorry, I'm giving a little dissertation here, but the other thing people often ask as the next question to this is while I have already processed those things, why are they coming up? Why is it affecting 

Rich Bennett 22:03
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 22:03
me again? And it's because you're different. You're a different version of yourself now than you were ten years ago than you were yesterday. And so from this new, wiser, more experienced vantage point, there's new wisdom, new understanding for you to have about whatever that situation is. Does that make sense? 

Wendy Beck 22:22
It does. And and I actually have done a lot of legwork and healing work 

Joy Giovanni 22:27
Good. 

Wendy Beck 22:27
in in terms of, you know, getting from point A to point B to point C and, you know, it has been through journaling, it has just been through a lot of like personal development. But I'm going to be honest. For someone who had such a hot, heightened intuition, I mean, like my gut was just like all, like all in all the time, I don't feel like I'm I'm in touch with it anymore. Like, I almost have, like, abandoned it because it's like, I don't I don't know how to get back there. And so. I don't know if that makes any sense. It's like it's almost like I've kind of, like, fallen off of this spiritual journey. And so, like, I'm trying to reconnect, like, with nature and, you know, just like, that kind of thing, you know, like maybe even my pets or, or whatever. But I feel like once you have, like, gotten so far away from it, how how do you 

Joy Giovanni 23:24
Hmm. 

Wendy Beck 23:24
slowly build that back up? And and yes, I have been doing a lot of the, you know, the work with, you know, journaling and all that kind of stuff. And I had two very intense, like two years of like yoga just to kind of like get back to where I needed to be. But I just I thought that was interesting. If you're teaching people how to how to 

Joy Giovanni 23:44
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 23:44
hone in to that intuition, I want to know. 

Joy Giovanni 23:48
And the other thing to know is because of where we are in our world, we tend to expect things to be more like a light switch. Like I'm in it. I'm out of it. 

Wendy Beck 23:58
Mhm. 

Joy Giovanni 23:58
Think of it more like a relationship. So it's a relationship with our intuition. So if part of what happened in the past, I feel like I'm blending in with your energy and I'm trying to keep 

Wendy Beck 24:08
No, it's fine. 

Joy Giovanni 24:09
And not go super personal on you. 

Wendy Beck 24:10
You can. 

Joy Giovanni 24:12
If if there's an instance in your past where you felt like, Why did my intuition tell me that? Why didn't I know? Why couldn't I predict? Part part of it is that's not necessarily what our intuition does. It's not going to protect us. Or we have to have this human experience. And sometimes it's messy and sometimes it's painful. So sometimes we can kind of get mad at our intuition and it's a relationship. So it's building that relationship up again. It's not like it drives me crazy because people have all these meditations about like, turn on your third eye or turn on your intuition. It's not a light switch, it's a relationship. So it's you finding something that works for you, for for me and for a lot of people, it's meditation and it's just creating that time for you to start building that relationship again. And I'll tell you, for me, I almost never get intuition during the meditation. It's always later when I'm walking or when I'm doing something totally unrelated, then it can drop in and I think it's just about building that relationship for you again. Is there something in particular that you're feeling like you're wanting more intuition around and you're just not getting it? Or is there something? 

Wendy Beck 25:26
I feel a little empty. Like I said, my spiritual side, like it was very intense. You know, probably, you know, at one point I experienced trauma with my older daughter who, you know, addiction was the issue. And I felt like I was just always on high alert. Like, I was just my energy and like the chasing and the the all of it. And now it's almost like I feel nothing. 

Joy Giovanni 25:57
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 25:58
And even though I've done a lot of work in the past few years for myself, I like the journaling. I think you I you hit the head on that one because I do spend a lot of time just internalizing and putting it on paper. And then I'm allowed to, like, let it go. I put it down and then I let it go. But I just don't feel that like spiritual connection that I used to have maybe with her or maybe it wasn't with her, or maybe it was with myself, or just the energy that was happening at the time. So I guess right now I'm just like, how do we get back to having some kind of, you know, spiritual life that I'm. 

Joy Giovanni 26:38
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 26:39
That I can connect with because I don't I don't feel it. I don't know. I feel like it died. 

Joy Giovanni 26:43
It's just cultivating it. And I'm so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how challenging all of that was. We can go into that a little bit too, because that might be a piece of it is sensing her around, receiving signs from her. All of that as as part. 

Wendy Beck 27:00
Or not? Or not. 

Joy Giovanni 27:02
Or not because. 

Wendy Beck 27:02
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 27:03
Is that where you feel like you are right now? You feel like 

Wendy Beck 27:04
Well, 

Joy Giovanni 27:04
you. 

Wendy Beck 27:05
I mean, yeah, I don't I don't feel that connection. Like, I almost feel like, you know, people say it and stuff like that. And I did experience a little bit of that when she first passed away. But like, in terms of having any kind of extended connection with my own intuition and with possibly like her, I don't. And that maybe I'm protecting myself. I don't know. 

Joy Giovanni 27:29
You might be. The other thing to know is the personal development side or the like emotional processing side that's ongoing. I wish it was like we could do a period of it and then we're kind of done. But it is it does help to do it in an ongoing way, which sounds like you're doing some version of it ongoing, which is 

Wendy Beck 27:44
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 27:44
great. But are you making time for yourself to either do? 

Like a contemplated walk every day, for example, where it's just like a 15 or 20 minute walk and you have no agenda and you're not going to listen to, you know, music that's going to keep your mind and you're just going to kind of go for a walk. It's kind of creating that space for that. I know it sounds weird the way I'm saying it for that relationship building with the intuitive side of you, because the intuition comes from that highest version of you. That's where that's where that comes from. Now, the connection with Spirit comes from a similar place, but it's essentially their soul next to us or blending with our soul In that moment. It's almost two different things, but there is some overlap. So some of it is we're getting that intuition. It's just we think it should be louder or the voice of our uncertainty is louder than the voice of the intuition. And that is also we can kind of work overtime signs. There's kind of a quick fix for that. The other thing that for as many times as you meet and as long as you know me, you'll hear me say this the language is not quite right. So I feel like it's tough because we tell people, Oh, you're going to feel your loved one around. You're going to feel a connection with them. And that wording is not quite right. It's not feeling them like you feel your cat sitting next to you or like you feel someone that's in a physical body. It's it's almost like the memory of the whisper of them. It's so much lighter. It's so much more subtle. And so I think part of it, I think there's a lot of pieces happening, but part of it is that we're we're sometimes looking for the wrong thing. Do you know what I mean? We're looking for it to be some profound time stands still or we physically feel them like in the movies. And it's it's just not like that with the way the subtle energies work, with the way the soul works and nonphysical is so, so, so much more subtle. Now, for example, with getting like a sign in the world from your daughter, it's actually the free mini chorus I was telling you guys about. It's you can do the chorus. It's 315 minute lessons. It's called Sign Magna. You can get it right on the home page of my website, Joyful Medium.com. But essentially, when we're setting up a sign with a loved one, I often will tell people, and I work with a lot of parents that have lost kids. So I would say just gauge this personally for yourself. Sometimes it helps to work first with someone that we're not as emotionally charged about, like a grandparent who passed at a reasonable time, for example, that kind of thing. But it might work with your daughter too. It's just kind of picking something that you are going to say, okay, this week I would like you to get I don't know, pick whatever it is. And I've had people pick some really obscure things. I've picked some. Scary things, but maybe it's just hummingbirds for this week. And you tell her I would like you to get hummingbirds across my path. And then there's two pieces that are essential. One is you got to stay aware for these hummingbirds and probably be out in the world. It's really tough when we're, like, only looking at our phones and things like. 

Wendy Beck 30:52
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 30:52
Look up in the world and to is it's any way she can get it to you so it doesn't just have to be the real hummingbird. It could be if you see someone that has a tattoo of a hummingbird or it's on a logo or someone says the word. So it's any way that they can get it through to you. And they're doing a lot of work to bring it through because they have to identify what the sign is. They have to know who you are. They have to know where you are to get it across your path. And they have to get you to look and notice it right at that moment. So they're doing a lot of work to bring the signs to us. And then it's just like a volley and like a relationship building with her in this way. And you can have certain set signs that are signs from her all the time. And then you can have some that like if you're going to go on vacation, you might pick a special one and say, Hey, we want to know that you're on vacation with us. Show us, I don't know, shirts that say USA on it if we're going out of the country or do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 31:45
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 31:46
Does that make sense? I know it's a lot of information all at 

Wendy Beck 31:48
No, 

Joy Giovanni 31:48
once. 

Wendy Beck 31:49
it's not. And joyful. Medium.com 

Rich Bennett 31:52
Medium. 

Wendy Beck 31:53
is a free. 

Joy Giovanni 31:53
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 31:54
Course so 

Joy Giovanni 31:55
Yeah, it's right on the homepage 

Wendy Beck 31:57
and that's. 

Joy Giovanni 31:57
and it's video. 

Wendy Beck 31:58
Intuition. 

Joy Giovanni 31:58
So then. 

Wendy Beck 31:59
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 32:00
Yeah. And it's you can rewatch it. It teaches you all about numbers, assigns how to use recurring numbers, assigns how to get assign from the universe like a personal sign for you for when you feel like your intuitions on the fritz 

Wendy Beck 32:11
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 32:11
to say like, okay, show me a sign about this. Like is this a good you know, is this that this choice in the highest good for me or not type thing. And then there's the signs with the loved ones. It's very similar, but obviously two different places that we're receiving I'm from and I like to know where things are coming from to like, is this from, you know, this loved one or is it from this loved one? Because I might take their opinion differently. Do you know what I mean? Or their Hello, little. 

Wendy Beck 32:35
Okay, that makes sense. 

Joy Giovanni 32:36
So. 

Wendy Beck 32:36
How 

Joy Giovanni 32:37
Yeah, 

Wendy Beck 32:37
do. 

Joy Giovanni 32:37
and it is. 

Wendy Beck 32:38
You, you know, figure out you had this gift. 

Joy Giovanni 32:42
The mediumship or the signs are both. 

Wendy Beck 32:45
Are they different? 

Joy Giovanni 32:47
Yes, everyone can receive signs from their loved ones. Everyone can connect with their own loved ones, whether it's, you know, there's something else that keeps popping into my head. So it must but must be meant for me to say to you, you know, there's times when you're just thinking about your girl and remembering her and reminiscing about her. And then there's other times where maybe you're doing the dishes and all of a sudden a memory pops in that you totally forgot about. Do you know what I mean? Is it ever happened to you? That's her right then Touching into your energy, touching into your soul is energy to bring that memory to the surface, to try to reminisce with you because it's not you consciously intending to think about it at some. 

Wendy Beck 33:27
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 33:28
Pops in from out of nowhere. Everyone has the ability to connect in that way. Like I said, saying that we sense them is it's tough because it's such an elusive. Thing, right? The feeling of it to feel like they're around. Some of that comes with just trusting that they're around. 

Wendy Beck 33:47
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 33:49
So there's that piece, the mediumship, the way that they say it in the work is mediums are born, not made, But something I always like to add to that is even if someone's not like you, you're not a medium right now, for example, it doesn't mean it's not in the ability of your soul. It just means it hasn't come to the surface yet. So I don't love when, you know, I've heard this thing where teachers will sometimes tell someone like, Oh, you're not a medium, you'll never be a medium going to school. You don't know. Maybe it's just not ripe yet. You know what? I'm. 

Wendy Beck 34:16
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 34:17
Just not ready yet. 

For me, it was one of those weird things. I think like a lot of things are we're looking back. I can see that it was there the whole time, but really it was only through my journey of learning Reiki and returning to my practice as a massage therapist. I didn't used to believe in any of this. I mean, I believe to some degree because I wouldn't allow the TV shows in my house. I was like, I don't want to open doors. I don't understand. I don't I don't know about that. I don't like none of those shows in my house, none of the witchy shows, none of it. 

Rich Bennett 34:48
Really? 

Joy Giovanni 34:49
And yeah, and then during I started, you know, my first mentor was like, you're psychic. And I was like, Oh, you're crazy. Because that's not a thing. Like, I don't get these visions and then I know the future. And she's like, Oh, that's not what it is. That's why you're confused. And then I started integrating it into my massage therapy practice and doing Reiki, and I already was training with guides and angels by then. So I would kind of open my awareness to see if their guides or angels had messages for them. And then all of a sudden I started to become aware of invisible deceased people standing next to me, and I could give details like specific details about them, and I would only do it with clients that had been with me a long time that I felt comfortable with, that I knew it wouldn't like destroy their day and the things start being right. And then I was like, Oh my gosh, Like, do I have this? Do I want this? Like, what am I even supposed to do with this? Is this even okay to be doing? And that sent me on a whole different journey. 

Wendy Beck 35:45
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 35:47
So that's how it came in for me. It was not something I would have ever thought I'd be doing. 

Wendy Beck 35:52
This is all, you know, something that, you know, if you don't know, you don't know. And you know if you don't. 

Joy Giovanni 35:59
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 35:59
Know, someone that that has these skills. But like, you know, I know that like intuition, like I have felt it. I know that it's real in my past and just becoming disconnected with the spiritual side of yourself for whatever reason, trauma or or age or just not, not you know, massaging it for a lack of a better word. You know, you kind of feel like you you miss it. Even though it was intense. Like, how do you get that back? 

Joy Giovanni 36:31
I'm going to push you on this a little. That. Okay. 

Wendy Beck 36:34
Yeah, sure. 

Joy Giovanni 36:35
Now I want you to just kind of open your mind to the various areas of your life. Do you feel like you don't feel any intuition in your work life, like in your career? 

Wendy Beck 36:45
I would say it's just maybe it's just in general. Like I felt like there was such an intense 

intuitive. 

Experience for so long and almost now it's like with work. I mean, I felt like with the organization, I mean, the organization was just it blossomed after she passed away. Like, honestly, like it was as though, like, there wasn't one thing that didn't come to us as an organization. That was just this God moment over and over and over again. Like, I can't even explain it. And then I feel and I always just kept my head down. And I was just always, like you said, carrying the water and chopping a line and and now I feel like, you know, it's we're so far removed from that, that time that I don't know, you know, in my personal life and in my work life, I feel like it's it's kind of subsided. And I guess that's why I kind of brought it up. 

Joy Giovanni 37:53
No, it's great. I'm just. Sometimes what can happen is there's one area of our life where we're just have more emotions around it or more fear around it. And so we're not feeling it there. But sometimes we can identify other areas where like, Oh, yeah, it's still and I don't know what your what your work is, is the nonprofit, your primary 

Wendy Beck 38:09
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 38:09
work, You do something else, okay? And it's it's the other thing is maybe it just comes in a little differently for you now and it's just learning, Oh, this is how my intuition is communicating with me now. For example, the volume might turn up on it at some point, or it might not, but it's about you being able to move your awareness to it, to focus on it, or to be aware of it when it bubbles up and when people are trying to kind of strengthen it is what I hear a lot. Sometimes it's just noticing it when it does come in because we get so used to dismissing it or like for you, if it's coming in differently, it might be like, Oh, I'm not sure because that's not how it was before. But you're different now. You're you're totally different person now. 

Wendy Beck 38:53
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 38:53
Maybe you were more open and more open hearted and moving through the world in that way then. And maybe, maybe you're just a little different now. And so it doesn't mean it's not still with you. It just means we have to we have to be aware of it in a different way. Do you know what I mean? It might not hit you over the head in the same way that it did. Some people feel physical sensation with it, some people don't. Sometimes it's just that little nagging call this person, Oh yeah, I'm going to get to them. I'll call this person. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 39:23
Mhm. 

Joy Giovanni 39:23
So I'm wondering if there's somewhere else, even if it's much subtler than it used to be, but like somewhere else in your life where you can identify it. And it might even be for other people that have like are not as close to your emotions. Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense? The way I'm saying it, like you might get a bunch of intuition for Rich about like, you know, I think you should do this or call this person or do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 39:47
Okay? Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 39:48
I buy that at all. 

Wendy Beck 39:49
Um, not. Not that I can think of at the moment. 

No, probably not. 

Joy Giovanni 39:58
Yeah, It's okay. 

And 

Wendy Beck 40:01
I 

Joy Giovanni 40:01
it 

Wendy Beck 40:01
don't 

Joy Giovanni 40:01
might 

Wendy Beck 40:01
know what. 

Joy Giovanni 40:01
just be. 

Wendy Beck 40:02
First of all. Right? 

Joy Giovanni 40:03
No, but, you know, I mean, not necessarily to to call someone, but you know how sometimes we'll just think about it. They'll pop into our mind and then we'll say like, you know what? I'm gonna reach out to that person. And they're they don't feel good that day or something's going on with them. Do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 40:16
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 40:17
Just sometimes we want it in one area and we have a lot of emotional charge around it. And so it feels less accessible. It's not less accessible, but it can sometimes kind of feel that way. I feel like I want to, like, really work with you because I want 

Wendy Beck 40:29
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 40:30
I want you to be able to have it. Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 40:31
No. And again, like I said, maybe I was just so immersed in it that that I trusted it and I relied on it and it and it served a really good purpose for a really long time. And then life changes, like you said, and I change and I put a lot of different work in like having time to actually work on yourselves rather than like chasing energy to try to like, help people or keep them alive. And now it's kind of like, all right, what's my purpose now? What's my intuition telling me now? Where's my creativity now? Like, it almost feels like it flatlined. And I know that this sounds weird, and this is probably not the direction we wanted this podcast to go in, but it's like, you know, it feels real. I mean, it feels like. Like something's missing. 

Joy Giovanni 41:22
Yeah, that's valid. And I don't I mean, I don't, I don't have an agenda for where we go. Perfect. 

Wendy Beck 41:28
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 41:29
I know originals that way, but I'm fine with. 

Rich Bennett 41:31
No, I'm fine. I'm kind of blown away because I in all honesty, I don't think Wendy gives herself enough credit for everything she's doing. And 

I don't know if it's intuition or just maybe it's you just focus in on that one thing. But you you are helping so many people. You're. 

Wendy Beck 41:55
Maybe it just becomes, you know, routine and you don't think about it. Like, I don't know. 

Joy Giovanni 42:01
Maybe I have two questions or one is more of a state one and one's a question. So the other thing you can kind of start just practicing doing is as you go through the segments of your day, right, you have you have a meeting, for example, you can just take 30 seconds, 60 seconds in the car before you go in and say, what's my what's my emotion going into this meeting? That emotion, Do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 42:22
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 42:22
So because the emotions always the way in. Because it works through intuition. Works through our emotion. So that can just be something to start highlighting for yourself. And then when you're sitting in the meeting and you're listening. What's the emotion I feel coming from this person? Because you I just know this about you. I don't know why, but I know if someone's talking, you can feel okay. That person I believe them or I feel very good about what they're saying. Or you know what I don't quite believe. I don't believe that their heart's in this or and that's part of the start of you building that relationship with it. Again, my question, it's okay if you don't want to answer this, but when you felt really in it like you described, what was your spiritual practice personally at that point in your life? 

Wendy Beck 43:06
Survival. 

Joy Giovanni 43:09
So no, no spiritual practice. Like, how did you start feeling your intuition, sensing it just kind of was always with you? 

Wendy Beck 43:14
I want to just say like it was mommy vibes. Do you know what I 

Joy Giovanni 43:18
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 43:18
mean? Like, this is not 

Joy Giovanni 43:19
Uh. 

Wendy Beck 43:19
this is not right. This is not you know, this is not how it's supposed to be. What do I need to do? Where's it leading Me. And it was it was just like a wild goose chase. So and when you have someone that you're experiencing, like that level of, you know, addiction and you don't have much of a life yourself. Like, honestly, so I would say that I trusted my gut more than anything. And then then after that season had passed and I was in a very deep grieving process. And so you know, that changed everything. And then after the grief, you kind of wake up and you're like, okay, life is still happening. Where were you during this time? Because, you know, you become very, you know, into your own feelings because you're you're you're guarding your pain. And then, like, I think when you come out of that and you're like, okay, well, what happened while I was in that grief? And you're like, oh, no. You know, I think lifestyle was happening. And there are still people in my life that, that need me and maybe I wasn't there for them. And now and I want to get emotional because this is kind of silly. This is kind of weird. 

I don't have that level of intuition now. God, this is so dumb. 

Joy Giovanni 44:52
It's not dumb at all. 

Wendy Beck 44:55
So my. 

Joy Giovanni 44:55
Actually, this is giving me a lot of information, believe it or not. 

Wendy Beck 44:58
My other daughter get through because I'm just not feeling what I'm supposed to do. 

Joy Giovanni 45:03
Thank you for being so open and honest and vulnerable. And I know that this is going to touch so many people who are feeling this level of fresh. One because the emotions are right there for you. I know that there's emotional healing and processing to do as part of this. 

Wendy Beck 45:18
Right? 

Joy Giovanni 45:19
The other thing is these two souls, these beautiful soul, young ladies that you have agreed to, mother, in this world, they're just two different souls. 

Wendy Beck 45:28
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 45:28
So some of it is, as you sit with your younger daughter and she shares things with you, it's move out of this analytical mind because that's what happens is and your other daughter was in crisis. So that's a different thing. That's all. Like high alert, right? We don't want you just your adrenal glands alone can't maintain on that level 

Wendy Beck 45:49
Yes, 

Joy Giovanni 45:49
of high alert all 

Wendy Beck 45:50
you're right. 

Joy Giovanni 45:50
the time. And it is a different situation. Just want to validate that for you. You're totally right. When someone is in crisis, life or death situation, it is a different level of the way I see this is this is what happens. At the exact appropriate time for sound effects. 

Wendy Beck 46:06
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 46:07
So that's a different red alert. Your whole body because you're the mom, because your soul knows her soul intricately from before either of you was even here, in my belief. But certainly because 

Wendy Beck 46:19
I believe that. 

Joy Giovanni 46:20
You have a different connection with her. You're getting lit up intuitively in different ways. That's not a quote unquote normal state or like a way that the intuition works all the time. So with your younger daughter, as you're sitting with her, allow yourself to open kind of from this gut feeling place, which is your solar plexus area for those just listening. And just as she talks to you, just let the words she's saying wash over you and see if you can feel the emotions that she's trying to convey. Because I'm a mom, too. So I know a lot of times what kids are saying is really not actually the emotion that's underneath. And as as her mom, there's a strong chance you might hear the words and be able to start discerning, oh, there's a fear here for her or, oh, she's really wanting me to validate her for this or she's really wanting some guidance here. Or do you know what I mean? Your intuition. Because it doesn't feel to me anyway, and please correct me if I'm wrong, like she's in a crisis state currently, she feels. 

Wendy Beck 47:26
It comes and goes. 

Joy Giovanni 47:27
Okay. 

Wendy Beck 47:28
It's 

Joy Giovanni 47:28
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 47:28
different. It's very different. It's 

Joy Giovanni 47:29
It's different, 

Wendy Beck 47:30
very different. 

Joy Giovanni 47:30
right? 

Wendy Beck 47:30
It's emotional and it's. 

Joy Giovanni 47:32
Yes. 

Wendy Beck 47:32
And by, you know, that whole period of grief where she felt abandoned because here I am over here grieving. 

Joy Giovanni 47:41
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 47:41
And she you know, even though, you know, she got up for school every day and I took her to school and she never we never missed meals. And I wasn't in any kind of like crisis. It just it like an almost like was like there was an absence that I'm trying to, like, reconnect with her and my intuition feels broken. Does 

Joy Giovanni 48:02
I get. 

Wendy Beck 48:02
that 

Joy Giovanni 48:02
I do get what you're 

Wendy Beck 48:03
mean 

Joy Giovanni 48:03
saying. 

Wendy Beck 48:03
I don't 

Joy Giovanni 48:03
No, 

Wendy Beck 48:03
know? 

Joy Giovanni 48:04
it's totally valid. I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying. I think what I'm trying to highlight for you is it might just be different with each of these souls, you know? 

Wendy Beck 48:13
Right? Yes, 

Joy Giovanni 48:14
So 

Wendy Beck 48:14
it 

Joy Giovanni 48:14
just 

Wendy Beck 48:15
is. 

Joy Giovanni 48:15
don't expect it to be the same thing with this one, because she's a unique and beautiful soul herself, just like your other daughter. So just be available that okay, maybe this is not how her soul communicates with my soul. Maybe it's different. 

Wendy Beck 48:28
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 48:28
She feels like there's much more subtlety to her. Do you know what I mean? Your younger daughter. And almost. It's almost like you're. You're looking so hard that you can't see it. Type thing. Do you know what I mean? When you were, like, trying so hard to focus on the picture and you're missing all the details, and I feel like there's a little bit of understandably panic for you, anxiety, fear about getting it right, some layers of emotions about that abandonment stuff, you know. 

Wendy Beck 48:56
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 48:57
That. Obviously all of that I'm sure we're working through. Do you know what I mean? While also. There is going to be a little bit of a difference in the way you feel things intuitively with her and I in the emotion in the picture. I get a lot of mental pictures when we're talking. The way I keep seeing it is like you're like, I just want to know where to put the safety net. Like I just need to be there 2 seconds before her so I can put the snap and catch her if I need to. And I'm not trusting myself that I'm going to know what, when and where that is right now. 

Wendy Beck 49:25
And not enable the situation because I want her to learn on her own as well. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, when you're spending your time trying to keep something in your brain, you're trying to keep somebody alive. And so now you have it's not the same situation, it's not the same person. And all you know, is survival mode, like how do you scale back and and and again, like I said, I've been doing like the journaling and like, you know, just trying to like show kindness and love and it is working. It's just not working fast enough for me because we all want that immediate 

Joy Giovanni 50:02
Sometimes. Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 50:03
gratification. You know, it's like I can't go through another decade of of of this, you know, or whatever, because you, you know, you lost a relationship and you don't want to lose another one. And I 

Joy Giovanni 50:16
Of course. 

Wendy Beck 50:16
think that's where, you know, like, why is my intuition not telling me how to be her mom right now? 

Joy Giovanni 50:22
Well, see, that's that's what I was trying to come to gently with you is I don't know that the intuition is going to necessarily do that. I think part of it is you re training yourself, recalibrating two things. One, to to who she is and what she needs in this moment, but then also trusting yourself, trusting yourself that you are you do love her with your whole heart and you are going to continue to show up and try and you are going to try to address the emotions and try to apologize when you you know, we all make mistakes and all the things. If you were my client, we were in a private session, I would probably be encouraging you if you're willing to think about doing another round of therapy for yourself. Just because this is tough. This is tough in the best of circumstance. 

Wendy Beck 51:08
Right. Well, and this is 

Joy Giovanni 51:09
You have 

Wendy Beck 51:10
the. 

Joy Giovanni 51:10
it challenging? 

Wendy Beck 51:11
This is what's important. 

Joy Giovanni 51:12
Yeah, of 

Wendy Beck 51:12
This 

Joy Giovanni 51:12
course. 

Wendy Beck 51:13
is what makes us human, is our is our connection with the people around us and the people that we love. So, 

Joy Giovanni 51:19
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 51:19
you know, to to not get it right just isn't an option for me. 

Joy Giovanni 51:25
Right. And that's a lot of pressure to be putting on your intuition and yourself. 

Wendy Beck 51:31
Okay. All right, Well. 

Joy Giovanni 51:32
At this point. 

Wendy Beck 51:33
Yeah, She'll be 19. Yeah, 

Joy Giovanni 51:35
Okay. That's such a tough girl. I'm with you. That's a tough age, too. 

Wendy Beck 51:39
right. 

Joy Giovanni 51:41
Because the other thing is 

Wendy Beck 51:43
You'll probably be mortified if she ever heard any of the things I 

Joy Giovanni 51:45
probably. 

Wendy Beck 51:45
talk about. But, you know, like you said, your kids probably don't listen to your podcast either. 

Joy Giovanni 51:49
No, they don't do that. God. 

Wendy Beck 51:49
Exactly 

Joy Giovanni 51:51
Part of it, too, is there might be some of what she's doing that's invalidating your intuition. You might get an intuition about something and then you're bringing it to her. I'm concerned about this. I just want to say this to you. And she's saying no 

Wendy Beck 52:05
right. 

Joy Giovanni 52:05
because she's has walls up and she might not want to let you in. It doesn't always mean your intuition is wrong. Do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 52:11
Yes. No, this has been. Like, you know, you kind of get to like your different stages of healing and then you kind of and maybe that's why you almost feel numb to like. To the situation and you're like, okay, I've done everything that I knew how to do and like, I don't know how to like, make this different now. And I kind of think that that's where I kind of got to that, that place where I was like, okay, this mountain is really tall and I don't think I can climb it alone. 

Joy Giovanni 52:42
And what's hard is sometimes we want the answer to be something else. Do you know what I mean? We want it to be an actual like you feel a lot like me. Work like where people of action, where people have like tell me the steps and I'll do it. Tell me. 

Wendy Beck 52:53
Exactly. 

Joy Giovanni 52:53
I'll do it. And this might be more of a communication and relationship building season for you with her. Do you? 

Wendy Beck 53:01
Yes. Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 53:02
I have to say this thing to my 23 year old daughter. That drives me crazy even when I'm saying it and I feel like I'm going to go crazy. But I'm. Tell me what support looks like for you right now and this new generation. Put it back to her. Tell me what support looks like for you right now. 

Wendy Beck 53:21
And sometimes it means just letting her have her emotional moment and not saying anything. 

Joy Giovanni 53:28
Absolutely. But then it's you getting to to know, okay, I'm doing the things she needs. It might not be the thing I would want to do because I will go into damage control mode in an instant. And I have got 15 resources and websites for you to look up right now. And my daughter feels oppressed and overwhelmed by that. And she doesn't like the way I do that at 0%. And it makes her not want to tell me things. So. 

Wendy Beck 53:53
Kai 

Joy Giovanni 53:54
I am working on. Truthfully, one thing I'm working on as a mom is to upfront in the conversation, say, Let me just understand. Would you like me to just listen? Are you looking for some solutions and ideas? How can I best serve you right now? 

Wendy Beck 54:10
Wright 

Joy Giovanni 54:10
Because maybe like for me, but if someone's coming to me, typically they want me to give them lots of solutions and ideas. And unfortunately, 

Wendy Beck 54:19
with 

Joy Giovanni 54:19
that is 

Wendy Beck 54:19
your. 

Joy Giovanni 54:19
not true with my. 

Wendy Beck 54:20
Right? Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 54:20
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 54:21
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 54:21
They don't want none of my ideas. 

Wendy Beck 54:23
person Is like that as well, where it's like, you got a problem. All right, let's let's. 

Joy Giovanni 54:27
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 54:28
Out. And so, 

Joy Giovanni 54:29
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 54:29
you know, it's it's not my problem to figure out. And I think that that's where as a parent, you know, your intuition is like telling you to do one thing. And like in reality, that's not where you need to be. And I think that might be where I'm struggling. So thank you. 

Joy Giovanni 54:46
What do you feel like your intuition is telling you to do? 

Wendy Beck 54:49
Oh, with her. You mean 

give her space? 

Joy Giovanni 54:56
We just don't like the answer. 

Wendy Beck 54:57
Well, I mean, I just let her let her figure it out on her own, as difficult as that can be, because it's, you know, I mean, anybody that has kids, you know, you want to be that safety net, like you said. You know, you want you want to make it all better, you know, 

Joy Giovanni 55:12
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 55:12
But the the band aid on the booboo and, you know, kiss him on the. 

Joy Giovanni 55:16
Well, there's there's almost nothing more frustrating than when I just had this with my son. Go who's 25? Or I was like, I see this in your path. I'm concerned about this for you based on X, Y, Z, and if you keep going in this direction, I am afraid that this thing is going to happen and he knows it all and then listen and does his own thing. And then that thing happens and it's like immediately I want to be like, Well, I've been telling you for a year that if you didn't address this, this thing was going to happen and that just shuts them down so hard. So I have to bite my tongue. Say like love and telling. Yeah. It's like, okay, 

Rich Bennett 55:53
Can't 

Joy Giovanni 55:53
what 

Rich Bennett 55:54
say 

Joy Giovanni 55:54
is support 

Rich Bennett 55:54
I. 

Joy Giovanni 55:54
look like here? I feel like I always feel like that's not at all what I'm saying. They feel like that is implied. So 

Rich Bennett 56:03
It's something you mentioned 

Joy Giovanni 56:04
different 

Rich Bennett 56:04
earlier there, 

Joy Giovanni 56:05
set 

Rich Bennett 56:05
Joy, 

Joy Giovanni 56:05
of. 

Rich Bennett 56:06
is that, you know, with your daughter, you're learning how to basically change the way you communicate with her, I guess you could say. 

Joy Giovanni 56:13
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 56:14
And I had to do the same with my daughter and even my wife. There's times now where 

sometimes they just want you to listen. They don't want you to to respond. They just want you to listen. That was hard for me to do. Very hard 

Joy Giovanni 56:28
It's 

Rich Bennett 56:28
for. 

Joy Giovanni 56:28
tough. 

Rich Bennett 56:29
Yes. But I do it. I can't. I can't tell you. Especially my wife. She'll come home event and I'll just let her vent. She doesn't punch me. That's other times. But, you know. 

Wendy Beck 56:42
Lakewood. No, I like what she said is like what you said, Joy, about like imagining like your higher self in this situation. 

Rich Bennett 56:50
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 56:51
You know what I mean? Because that's work. That's the work is on me. You know, she's got her own work. But what part of this is my role in me changing and developing who I am? And, you know, and as we get older, you're like, why not put someone to work into this? 

Joy Giovanni 57:08
I know. And some of the reasons that our kids or even other people come into our lives as it's a sole agreement that she's now going to teach you a different way to do it. A softer way to do it. Because what I can feel in the energy is because of the previous situations and what happened, you and it's totally common and please don't think of this as a judgment call. It's not it's you go into the survival mode of like damage control and I know what to do. And I'm going to call this person and I'm going to set these things in place and I'm going to just keep driving forward and pushing and holding everything together with all my might. And now that time has passed and we're in a different world. And you're different now. There's an opportunity for you to learn to do it a different way and a way that's going to be more suited to the soul that she is. I don't know her. I wish I did because her energy, to me, just as we're talking, feels similar to my daughter, where it's almost like if I lean in, she immediately 

Wendy Beck 58:04
Mm hmm. 

Joy Giovanni 58:05
backs away. I always say she's like a cat, Like she want you want you want you. And when she doesn't, she doesn't. 

Wendy Beck 58:09
Yup. Exactly 

Joy Giovanni 58:10
And 

Wendy Beck 58:10
like 

Joy Giovanni 58:10
it's 

Wendy Beck 58:10
its all or nothing. All or nothing. It's 

Joy Giovanni 58:12
it's. 

Wendy Beck 58:12
like feed me or leave me alone, you know, it's kind 

Joy Giovanni 58:15
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 58:15
of. So and that's hard because you're you have these mixed messages. You know, you want to like you're always ready. They heard, you know, to like 

Joy Giovanni 58:23
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 58:23
to do whatever it takes and that but and I also go and I don't I don't know like, you know, I do my own like, you know, version of like learning about myself. But I mean, I don't know if you're familiar with human design at all. 

Joy Giovanni 58:36
Mm hmm. Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 58:37
So, like, I feel like. 

Joy Giovanni 58:39
Work. 

Wendy Beck 58:39
Yeah. So, like, I feel like I'm a projector and so, like, my whole thing is like, wait for the invitation. Like, don't chase like. And, and so I have to, like, constantly be telling myself that, like, let her come to me. Do you know what I mean? And it's 

Joy Giovanni 58:58
Yes, 

Wendy Beck 58:58
hard. 

Joy Giovanni 58:58
I do. 

Wendy Beck 58:59
It's really hard. And again, and that's me trying to develop my higher self as well like now are getting all witchy and I love it. And. But 

Joy Giovanni 59:07
It's 

Wendy Beck 59:07
you. 

Joy Giovanni 59:07
not I mean, this is and this is the personal development piece that I was 

Wendy Beck 59:10
Right? 

Joy Giovanni 59:10
talking about 

Wendy Beck 59:11
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 59:11
at. Will this will help you kind of ease back into feeling that intuitive side 

Wendy Beck 59:16
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 59:16
of yourself. This is the meat of the work right here. It's the not sexy part that no one wants to do, but I'm so glad that you're looking at it because it's when those situations come up, the fearful part of your mind probably wants to spring into action or, you know, do one of the damage controlling things. But your soul is probably telling you, pause. What's the fear here? Have you been invited? Do you know what I mean? And that's the that's the intuitive side of you. So you are doing it. It's just your. 

Wendy Beck 59:44
Yeah, it is. And sometimes it feels, you know, lonely. Do you know what I mean? Like having, like, that coach, like you said, you have a coach and stuff like that and it's, you know, sometimes you don't know what direction to go in and who to to pool in because it's it's so personal. 

Joy Giovanni 1:00:01
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 1:00:02
And a lot of times when people have an I want to say problems because that's not the right word. But even like with addiction, it scares people. You know, or mental health, it scares people and they don't want to get involved. So you find yourself very lonely and it's it's not lonely, but, you know, alone in trying to find the support that you need. So I feel like that's kind of where I am, too. I'm like, okay, I already went through this whole isolation with addiction and now we're like, you know, and I'm in a whole nother realm of this. Like, if I turn it around on myself and this is maybe this is my personal growth journey, And she's like, here to guide me. You know, it's it's hard. It's hard to know where 

Joy Giovanni 1:00:46
So 

Wendy Beck 1:00:46
to go. 

Joy Giovanni 1:00:46
hard. And then the other piece of it, I mean, like I. If you are able to find a great therapist to work with, that's always helpful, especially in these uncharted waters, because you've never been this version of you parenting this age of her as an individual. The other piece of it is you worked so hard and poured so much of yourself into the nonprofit, obviously into your family as well. I bet you said your youngest one's 19 now. 

Wendy Beck 1:01:14
Almost. 

Joy Giovanni 1:01:14
Bet you if I asked you, what do you do for a creative outlet that feels fun to you? I bet you don't know. 

Wendy Beck 1:01:21
Actually, I do. I have been honing into my creativity. 

Joy Giovanni 1:01:24
Good. 

Wendy Beck 1:01:25
So are you familiar with the book The Artist's Way? 

Joy Giovanni 1:01:30
Yes. 

Wendy Beck 1:01:30
By Julia Cameron. Okay, so I pick that up like about a year ago, and I had listened to it on audiobook, but you have to kind of like have it in your 

Joy Giovanni 1:01:38
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 1:01:38
hands and do it. So doing these artist dates, this is very important. Like, you know, I've kind of gotten into photographing nature. It's like on my Instagram, it's just like silly stuff. But you know, getting back into creativity and, and stuff like that. So yeah, I'm very like aware of, of like that kind of, that part of me like just, you know, trying to, to, to muster up that creativity and finding and it's, it's kind of been a, a journey. I'm like pressing flowers and trying to, you know, like even thinking of doing like some kind of art therapy class. And I know that that doesn't sound fun, but that is fun for me. 

Joy Giovanni 1:02:20
I think it sounds fun, 

Wendy Beck 1:02:20
Yeah, exactly. So, 

Joy Giovanni 1:02:22
right? 

Wendy Beck 1:02:22
yeah, so I am in tune with that. And again, it's just, it's like trial and error, you know, just 

Joy Giovanni 1:02:28
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 1:02:28
trying to figure out what I like. But Rich, that's a really interesting book. It's it's 

Joy Giovanni 1:02:34
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 1:02:35
a bestseller for. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:36
For something, 

Wendy Beck 1:02:37
No, no. It's called The Artist Way. And I just feel like it has the ability to, like, just heal in a lot of 

Rich Bennett 1:02:45
right? 

Wendy Beck 1:02:45
ways through creativity. So. 

Joy Giovanni 1:02:48
Well, And that will kind of give space for your intuition, too, because I bet you when you are looking through the lens of a camera and trying to find your frame and that's. A total present moment. Focus. Do you know what I mean? 

Wendy Beck 1:03:01
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 1:03:01
Where you're just quieting everything else, that busy mind. And so that, in a way, is a version of meditation for you, which is wonderful. I would try to be making sure I'm hesitant to say this, but try to be making sure you're getting some of that as regularly as you can. 

Wendy Beck 1:03:18
I do, honestly. 

Joy Giovanni 1:03:19
For your listeners. I understand that there is even with everything we're talking about, there's a level of privilege kind of marinated in here where, you know, to get a therapist is a level of privilege. To get a good therapist is a different level to have time to, you know, do something creative for yourself. So I know that everything is not always possible for everyone at all times. But even if someone can get like a coloring page and just sit down and color for 5 minutes before they go to bed to kind of relax themselves any little bit, we can get helps. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:52
That idea. 

Joy Giovanni 1:03:54
Yeah, they have grown up coloring books or even. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:55
I know. 

Joy Giovanni 1:03:56
And coloring your kids coloring book. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:58
My daughter got me some grown up coloring books, and I didn't even finish the first page yet. 

Joy Giovanni 1:04:04
Yeah. Intuition is such a natural part of us, just like breathing in and out. But we are so overstimulated by the things that our physical five senses can experience. And we're in such an age that everything's moving so fast and we expect ourselves to go from, you know, whatever time we're going to bed 5 minutes before answering emails and having all kinds of screens on and busy, busy. And then we're asking our body to immediately shut down. And it just doesn't it just doesn't work like that. It's more of a everything is more of like a slow and steady. 

Wendy Beck 1:04:38
Right. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:39
With with your podcast, Are you still you're still doing live readings, right? 

Joy Giovanni 1:04:44
Yeah, that's the that's the bulk of my work. I haven't done many on the podcast and I will tell you why I have. So for a little 

Rich Bennett 1:04:51
Did 

Joy Giovanni 1:04:51
while 

Rich Bennett 1:04:51
I mess 

Joy Giovanni 1:04:52
I was. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:52
it up? 

Joy Giovanni 1:04:53
No, no, it wasn't you at all. I was doing some for a while. Like a lottery system, where, from my email subscribers, I was drawing a name, and there's a part of this work as a medium that my intention is always to touch the need. And sometimes when I was drawing a random person, the the need that like raw, emotional need was not there. And so it wasn't it was almost like a good lesson from Spirit for me of like, you can't just package this for a podcast. This has to be the elements that we need to, to do the work. Still need to be there. Yeah. So 

Wendy Beck 1:05:32
Kind of like what 

Joy Giovanni 1:05:33
I. 

Wendy Beck 1:05:33
we did today. Like you're saying you have to have that connection. Is that what you're saying? 

Joy Giovanni 1:05:37
Yeah, 

Wendy Beck 1:05:38
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 1:05:38
well, if someone is just curious or if they're at peace with all their loved ones and all the things and they have no one really over there except maybe a grandma that passed in a peaceful way at a reasonable time, there's not that emotional need. And there is something about the need that creates a different energy in the reading. I don't love to talk about energy that way because there are people still on the other side. There still a soul of a person. 

So it just is a different experience than when someone doesn't have that need. And there's no way for me to filter for that with just drawing round them also. 

Wendy Beck 1:06:16
I 

Joy Giovanni 1:06:16
So 

Wendy Beck 1:06:17
mean. 

Joy Giovanni 1:06:17
I don't do a lot of readings on the podcast, but that is the bulk of my actual work when I'm in the office is one on one readings, group readings, all of that. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:27
What and I know this is probably going to be a hard question to answer, but why? What is one of your most memorable episodes that you recorded? And don't even say the one with me for your podcast. 

Joy Giovanni 1:06:40
Most. 

Wendy Beck 1:06:40
And do you remember? Do you remember that? Because I. 

Joy Giovanni 1:06:44
That's a good question. 

I when I do readings, I really usually don't. Something that particularly stuck out to me often as like a teaching point for me because I'm a lifelong learner. So I'm still constantly growing and learning from the pod. I just feel like they've each been so unique and special and there's been some guests that I was surprised, answered me and are willing to come on. And I don't know if I have like a favorite, most memorable episode, and I'm sure I'm sure I should, but I'm just like, I don't remember a 

Rich Bennett 1:07:21
It's 

Joy Giovanni 1:07:21
lot 

Rich Bennett 1:07:21
hard. 

Joy Giovanni 1:07:21
of them, to be honest. Yeah, to to just when I look at the list, I'll be like, Oh yeah, that was. I loved that one. Or. 

Wendy Beck 1:07:27
Can you answer that question, Rick? I'm just. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:29
Who may. 

Wendy Beck 1:07:30
Yeah, because you. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:31
There is no one memorable episode. 

Joy Giovanni 1:07:34
The trick question is what? 

Wendy Beck 1:07:36
Yeah, right. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:36
Is it is 

Wendy Beck 1:07:37
You answer. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:37
because. The thing is, and it's never failed. Every guest I've had on, I've always learned something. 

And that's which is one of the reasons I do this. You know, it's just it's hard to. You can't just pick one memorable episode. 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:00
There are so many incredible human beings 

Rich Bennett 1:08:01
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:02
out there, right? 

Rich Bennett 1:08:02
Plus I got over 500 episodes, so it's kind of hard for me. 

Wendy Beck 1:08:05
Right? Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:06
You 

Wendy Beck 1:08:06
that's 

Rich Bennett 1:08:06
know. 

Wendy Beck 1:08:07
a lot of hours. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:08
But you did mention you had some guests that you were shocked, decided to come. 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:13
I feel like I want to pull up the list now and see. Like what? Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:17
Who are you? I have a family. I know. Who? One of the ones. 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:20
Um. Oh, no. Actually, Deb and I have a mutual connection, so I was not surprised. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:28
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:28
We have a mutual connection. There is someone that a few friends of mine had sent me on the socials. His name is Travis Warrior Unicorn, and he he has like over a million followers across platforms. And he's kind of getting he's on the upward trajectory and doing a lot more media and press and things. And I just was like, I'll just I'll just throw it out 

Rich Bennett 1:08:52
Right? 

Joy Giovanni 1:08:52
there. Like a. Yeah. And he was a lot of fun. And you know, you never know when someone has a big like, quote unquote, following or 

Rich Bennett 1:08:59
Uh 

Joy Giovanni 1:09:00
fan 

Rich Bennett 1:09:00
huh. 

Joy Giovanni 1:09:00
base how they're going to be as a human. So. And even in in the spiritual realm, one of the things that was surprising to me was I thought it was kind of like all Kumbaya and everyone's friends and everyone is like a good. The long. And it's not it's not like that. There are a lot of local mediums here near me that won't come on, which I thought was because I'm like, Yeah, that's, that's I'm very like, let's partner. Everyone can win stronger together. Like, that's just how I believe. And it it's very interesting. It's very interesting all of that piece too. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:34
Funny. That about some of them not wanting to come on and, you know, the partnership and all that because I've had a couple different ones on. And I brought up the subject of getting a group of mediums together and doing a roundtable podcast about it. 

Joy Giovanni 1:09:51
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:52
Because everybody's different. But I have to admit this. Joy, am glad you're the first. Well, you were the first medium I ever had on. And I've had several on afterwards. But you're the only one that never says that. Woo! Woo! 

Joy Giovanni 1:10:08
The word. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:09
Yes. 

Joy Giovanni 1:10:10
I say it in light. I just haven't had a reason to say the word. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:14
I never. 

Wendy Beck 1:10:15
You mean? 

Rich Bennett 1:10:16
I won't because I pay. Okay. Sometimes they'll talk about how God, how can I say it now? 

They in terms of the psychic medium part, they'll just say like, it's the woo woo or Ah, Julie, help 

Joy Giovanni 1:10:33
It has become common vernacular. Yeah. Okay. So for me, the way that I understand that word is I'm from Boston. I came from a background of, like, things need to be proven. You need to show me. I need an applicable exercise for this. I need a real world overlay. Sometimes the way I say it, and anything outside of that is like, Woo woo. That's woo, that's out, that's sprinkling holy water and sage and whatever. So for a lot of people, there's still that very black and white. Either you can prove it to me or science has proven it, which is kind of crazy, by the way, because science is catching up with the energy work. There's now this Heart Map Institute. Does this scan of the the field, the electromagnetic field that is put out by the heart, just the organ 

Rich Bennett 1:11:18
Wow. 

Joy Giovanni 1:11:18
of the heart, and it creates its own work field around us. So science is catching up to being able to, like, show. 

Wendy Beck 1:11:25
So that's like the old. 

Joy Giovanni 1:11:27
The aura. 

Wendy Beck 1:11:28
Aura. People would say. Like there. It's scientifically proven. Now, is that what you're trying? 

Joy Giovanni 1:11:35
Now they are starting to be able to prove it. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:11:40
Wow. 

Joy Giovanni 1:11:40
I did a whole I did a whole episode recently about or a one on one, what it is, how it works, all the things. But so for a lot of people, if it doesn't fit in that box of Show me, then it's woo. Then it's oh, that's woo, That's you know. So a lot of people, it's just become kind of a common phrase, 

Rich Bennett 1:12:00
The first time 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:01
that's all. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:01
I heard it, I laughed my tail off. I'm like, 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:03
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:03
What the hell? 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:06
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 1:12:06
I don't know if. 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:07
And I don't know if it used to come with a sound effect a long time ago, and it's. 

So I don't know where it came from, where the origins of the. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:20
Oh, God. Well, if I. If I can get other mediums to do that, would you be interested? 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:26
Sure. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:27
I think it'll be an interesting roundtable. I mean, we. 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:29
I think the more that we it is in the language and the explanation that I think more and more understanding comes because for me, one of the reasons I was so anxious about all of it was because I thought it was something different than it was. I thought it was something totally different than what I was looking for the wrong thing. Do you know what I mean? And. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:47
Yeah. 

Joy Giovanni 1:12:48
So and I think we all have different training and probably different beliefs. I know a lot of mediums tend to be empathic and, you know, genuinely good people. And so there might be some fear about stepping on each other's toes, kind 

Rich Bennett 1:13:02
Mm. 

Joy Giovanni 1:13:02
of. But yeah, I'm always I'm always game to chat. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:06
Good. I love it. When do you have any last questions? 

Wendy Beck 1:13:10
No, I like this. And I'm going to I'm not going to lie. I was like, when Rich was like, are you going to join the podcast today? I'm like, Who is it? And he said, You know, a medium. And I was like, Oh, I don't know. Like, I'm not really sure. And I. And 

Rich Bennett 1:13:24
My intuition 

Wendy Beck 1:13:25
I. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:25
told me that you will. 

Wendy Beck 1:13:27
Well, and I, I needed to like, you know, I needed to obviously, I needed to meet you. And and once I did, I felt very at ease. And we, you know, we picked up and had a conversation that, like, was very authentic to me. So thank you for that because, you know. 

You, just like you said, you just don't know, like the authenticity of the connection between people and and even like when my my daughter first passed away, like, I did go with a group of my grief group. And we went and I just it didn't have that connection. So it's kind of like made me kind of like on the fence a little bit like, yes, I've had it. 

Joy Giovanni 1:14:06
Fair. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:06
I've had spiritual experiences that I. Dreams and and moments and just all kinds of stuff that are really powerful. But I feel like you just don't know. But I showed up, and I'm glad I did. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:22
Hmm. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:23
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:23
Go ahead. You could say it. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:25
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:26
Oh, well, you can say to. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:27
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:29
Yeah. Something I haven't heard in a while. You are right, Rich. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:32
You were right, Rich. You know, you picked it. 

Joy Giovanni 1:14:34
Funny. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:37
I because I've met Joy before and I knew you would make a good connection. 

Wendy Beck 1:14:42
No. Yes. I felt very comfortable. And I and you know, and and again, it's not that like I know like I know for a fact that like, there is like a higher power and that it's, you know, I just I'm at a place where I'm having trouble tapping in. And so that's why, like, this was actually really good for me. This is really good for me. 

Joy Giovanni 1:15:03
Good. I think you got a lot of homework, so that's good. The other thing is it's my I always say my job is not to like I know you're not skeptical, but to convince skeptics, I consider my work. First of all, I work for the spirit world, not this world. So I'm not responsible for them. But also I consider my job just to help someone open their mind just one inch wider. I don't need them to accept the whole thing, but just can 

Wendy Beck 1:15:26
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 1:15:27
they open their mind just one inch wider, just at the just to be curious or just let you know any of it. So it's okay for everyone to be wherever they are with it. To your listeners, you know, if it's not something that you're feeling full by in on yet, or even you're not sure if there is something after this or more than this that happens just inch by inch in your own process. Do your own investigation, do your own do your own trial and error. It's why it's why I resonated with the type of mediumship that I practice, because there's lots of different types. I practice evidential mediumship, which just means that when someone's loved one is communicating, I like them to share some specific details about themselves so that person can recognize them, not like, Oh, what does a DNA mean to you? Like, I want it to be more specific than that because that's that's where the quote unquote proof is or the 

Wendy Beck 1:16:19
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 1:16:20
validation is in things that I could never it's it's almost never the things that anyone can Google. It's always the private things, the feeling of their personality, the, 

Wendy Beck 1:16:29
Right. 

Joy Giovanni 1:16:30
you know, those details that we wouldn't even think to share with anyone else. So it's it's it's a journey and you're just on it. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:39
And the thing is with you, Joy, because because we when you did my reading, I was nervous at first. 

Joy Giovanni 1:16:45
I know. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:45
But you. You made me feel so good. And made me maybe happy, you know, especially when you start talking about my daughter and and my brother. It just made me feel so happy. And I guess I want to see a peace because I believe I was already at peace. But it just it brought so much. No pun intended. Just brought so much joy over me. I felt, Oh, my God, it felt good. I it just it was amazing. Everybody make sure you check it out. Spirit Speakeasy, you can listen to it on all audio platforms or you can watch it on YouTube. Now, on YouTube, it's under joy. Giovanni there, Right. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:30
It is my Youtuber's Joy Giovanni Psychic Medium 

Rich Bennett 1:17:34
Okay. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:34
because you're only allowed to pick that name once and I picked it a long time ago. I 

Rich Bennett 1:17:38
Oh, I 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:39
could 

Rich Bennett 1:17:39
see. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:39
only 

Rich Bennett 1:17:39
Because you 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:39
name. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:39
got like. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:40
Once. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:41
One 1.14. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:44
I don't know. It's not a lot. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:45
Brian 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:46
No, 

Rich Bennett 1:17:47
Yes, 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:47
I 

Rich Bennett 1:17:47
you do. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:47
don't think that me. I don't. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:49
Yes, you do. 

Joy Giovanni 1:17:50
There's a lot of fake me's out there. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:52
I'm sorry, but this. This fake you has the videos. A spirit speakeasy. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:00
Maybe it's me, then I. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:01
You know 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:01
I 

Rich Bennett 1:18:01
what? 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:01
don't. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:01
I'm here. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:01
I 

Rich Bennett 1:18:02
I'll 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:02
don't 

Rich Bennett 1:18:02
find 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:02
have that many 

Rich Bennett 1:18:02
out 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:02
people 

Rich Bennett 1:18:02
real quick. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:02
on there. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:03
Quick. I'm just clicking on your. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:06
While you're 

Rich Bennett 1:18:06
YouTube 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:06
saying. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:07
from your Web site. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:08
Everyone can get the free course. It's called Sign Magnet. It's right on the home page of the website. It's totally free. You just drop your email in, it'll rolls out over three days, comes right into your email box, and it teaches you how to get signs for like your own science from spirit, how to use the numbers of signs. There's even like a downloadable cheat sheet to tell you what all the first nine numbers mean and then how to get signs from your loved ones. So that's totally free, 

Wendy Beck 1:18:31
I'm 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:31
right 

Wendy Beck 1:18:31
going to 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:31
on 

Wendy Beck 1:18:31
check 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:31
the homepage 

Wendy Beck 1:18:32
for 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:32
of the website. 

Wendy Beck 1:18:32
sure. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:33
Yeah, you should. 

Wendy Beck 1:18:33
I will. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:35
And definitely check out the pocket as you like it. 

Wendy Beck 1:18:37
Yeah, I spent a lot of time in my car, so I'm going to I'm going to incorporate that into my listening. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:42
Well, thanks. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:43
Enjoy. I just want to let you know she'll listen to your podcast. She doesn't listen to mine. 

Wendy Beck 1:18:50
That's because I already know I've already been a part of. To listen to. 

Joy Giovanni 1:18:55
You have to say, Rich. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:58
Oh, God, 

Wendy Beck 1:18:58
That's my. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:59
Joe. 

Joy Giovanni 1:19:01
See. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:02
I knew you'd all have to get a jab at me before we finish. So, Joy, thanks so much. 

Joy Giovanni 1:19:08
Thank you guys for having me. 

Wendy Beck 1:19:09
Thank you so much. I appreciate. I appreciate the conversation very much. 

Joy Giovanni 1:19:14
Me, too.