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Unraveling Assassination Attempts and Political Shocks: Trump, Biden, and the Future of US Politics
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What went wrong with the Secret Service and local law enforcement? We tackle this heated debate head-on, exploring whether the young suspect in Trump's assassination attempt was a mere pawn or had inside assistance. From conspiracy theories suggesting Trump staged the attack to discussions on the broader political narratives and social media trends, this episode doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable questions. The conversation takes an intriguing turn as we consider personal stances on social media usage and the impact on Trump's public image.
With the backdrop of historical events like the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and Martin Luther King, we draw parallels to today's political climate and the recent controversies. The unexpected decision of President Biden to step down and its ramifications for the Democratic Party set the stage for a speculative discussion on upcoming elections, VP picks, and campaign dynamics. Engaging and insightful, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the complexities and unpredictability of the current political landscape.
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The Northwest Home for Paranormal. You're listening to US Phenomenon with your host, mario Magana, from the Pacific Northwest, in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair, this space, you know this is US Phenomenon and I am your host, mario Magana. Are we living in a real-life simulation? Tonight we will discuss two of the most craziest topics A former president almost assassinated and a sitting president steps down as the nominee for the Democratic National Party.
Speaker 1:Our guests tonight, who have covered topics that cover counterculture to pop culture, nothing's off the table. He can be heard on your favorite podcasting platform and he is Michael Parker Media. We welcome him back to the show. Our second guest is a New York-based writer author of Pale Horse Rider, a book about Bill Cooper, a movie about American gangster and a TV show called Taxi, which I got to ask him more about because I think, as a kid watching reruns, I have to say that that may have been one of my favorite shows to be watching, but he's also worked for rolling stones, new york times, the new yorker, the inquire, national geographic. It is my pleasure to welcome back to the show two of my favorite individuals uh, michael parker and, uh, mark jacobs. And guys.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to the show hey, man, greetings, good to see you good to see you.
Speaker 1:Good to see you too. How you guys doing. Oh well, I'm not even on camera. How about?
Speaker 2:There we go. How are you? I'm fine. I'm in Vicksburg, Mississippi.
Speaker 1:Well, this is great. I mean, under the circumstances. Typically, it's very strange and, yes, this is a conspiracy show. We try to cover all the topics. I've been on a hiatus trying to enjoy some of my summertime and, guys, has it been the craziest couple of weeks in regards to what's been going on, in regards to almost having a former president assassinated live on television, to almost having a former president assassinated live on television, to then having a former president step down and say, hey, I'm going to step down for what he thinks is for the better for the country. Guys, let's just start with last week. Let's talk about the assassination attempt on former president Donald J Trump. Guys, this is crazy. I know there are some conspiracies that are rolling around out there, loosey-goosey stuff. There may be even talks about those maybe stepping down.
Speaker 1:For those who are watching us live on stream, you're welcome to send us messages. We will take and post your comments online, so you can do that as well. It is available on Twitch, youtube. If we haven't been banned yet, that could happen, because anything's possible nowadays. These are private entities and, lord knows. Let's try to keep it PG, pg-13. Let's talk about the attempted assassination. We're talking about someone that tried to take out Trump last week Wild times, I mean. I didn't think that I've ever seen anything like this. And the last time this has happened. What was Reagan right? That was the last attempt.
Speaker 2:Someone tried to take out even a sitting president at that point right, that's true he's the last one, but it used to happen quite frequently before then.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I'm laughing at that, but that shouldn't be normal, right guys?
Speaker 2:I mean this is completely normal in this country. What are you talking about? I mean they have like one-third of all I think I was reading the One-third of all the presidents who have ever been presidents have either been shot at or killed. I mean it's not that unusual.
Speaker 3:Okay, I think that I read somewhere the other day. I mean, the Reagan assassination attempt is the one we remember. That was 1981, I believe, but I don't know if there have not been attempts that we haven't heard about.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 3:I think that there may have been some during the Obama administration and, honestly, there probably have been attempts. They just didn't make the news, because the only way one's going to make the news is when something happens like this.
Speaker 1:Okay so when you look back at it, okay, so we got now. There were four sitting presidents that were assassinated, so you have Abraham Lincoln, you have James Garfield.
Speaker 2:Garfield.
Speaker 1:Yep, jfk, jfk.
Speaker 2:JFK and.
Speaker 1:McKinley right.
Speaker 2:McKinley yes, mckinley is actually a funny one because he was the president. No, is that Cleveland Was the president? Then he, that's. Is that Cleveland was the president and he lost and he ran again? But that's not. If it was McKinley, you'd have a president right. But in any event, it's well. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Somebody tried to kill him and then the governor, the mayor of.
Speaker 2:Chicago stepped in front of him and took the bullet and died. I mean, there have been a lot of these things. It's not that unusual. General ford remember him. He was trying to one of charlie manson's people try to kill him squeaky from squeaky from. That's it.
Speaker 3:You win the prize I have all of these little pieces of pop culture trivia that I can remember, but nothing of value. How do you?
Speaker 2:get rid of all this stuff that's crammed into your brain.
Speaker 3:But I can't remember important things Like where your keys are Exactly.
Speaker 1:What's crazy to me about this whole situation that took place last week. What's crazy to me about this whole situation that took place last week? The allegations of this guy being on the roof for such a long time, talking to other people who may be supporters, regardless.
Speaker 1:People but, and people said well there may have been more people taking guns, but within the perimeter, like you're getting. You're going through metal detectors, so I'm assuming you're not taking firearms into the perimeter, but them, them saying that this guy had been sitting on a roof for a certain amount of time and why he was on this roof for such a long time and not taken out. It just seems to me it smells like it doesn't smell good. I mean, it really looks bad for the secret service.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, yeah, it's. It's a puzzler for sure. Plus, he's already out of the news by now. The news cycle is such that you're just done with him, right. You know, which is kind of strange, because, well, I don't want to get into the major topic of the thing, but I predicted that this election cycle would have three acts, just like a regular movie, and I think we're coming into the second act now.
Speaker 1:So there's plenty more to go and I think a lot more stuff may happen yeah, uh, michael, what do you, what's your thoughts on, like, on a situation like this? Are you feeling like this is more as as uh mark is talking about? You think there are, are different, like where are you, where are you lying with all this right now, with all this information?
Speaker 3:it is just moving rapidly right now well, I people I mean, I did a show on the assassination attempt a couple of days ago with a guy who, um, was a former asset of the, the secret service, and look, you know, I'll tell you straight up. I mean I think this was inevitable. This was this type. I found it very hollow for people to call for, you know, turning down the rhetoric when they spent probably six to seven years demonizing this man and talking about how he was Hitler and this, that and the other thing, and then all of a sudden they want to turn down the rhetoric. That rang very hollow to me about this is the minute that Trump became president. People that I knew were talking about assassinating him, which, look, I I don't like Biden, but I wish him no ill will, nor do I like the Clintons, I never wished anything on them and these people are like, holding up the man's head, you know, calling for his assassination frequently. And Mark, don't look at me like that. You know this is true and this was repeatedly. Yeah, it was horrible, it was just freaking hideous. So this was inevitable. Now, the next thing this was also. It was a deep state hit. That kid was always going to be the patsy, always this morning on Maria Bartiromo's show, ron Scott. Ron Johnson is already talking about what I talked about several days ago.
Speaker 3:The minute this thing happened, my wife and I were watching. I said look. I said there's probably going to be multiple shooters. It's going to be blamed on this kid. Right now they're saying he's Antifa. Tomorrow we'll wake up and they're going to say that he was a right-wing extremist. So what did we hear? He's a 20-year-old registered Republican, right-wing extremists. So what do we hear? He's a 20-year-old registered Republican. His parents have since said that he had no political leanings.
Speaker 3:You're telling me that a 20-year-old kid was able to go to Home Depot. Grab a ladder, grab this AK-47 or whatever it is, 50 rounds of ammunition, roll into this place. People on the grass saw the kid. They told local law enforcement. One local law enforcement went up onto the roof. Saw the kid. They told local law enforcement. One local law enforcement went up onto the roof, saw the guy. The guy points a gun at him. He comes back down the ladder. They did radio that in further. I mean this was a lapse of security that is of an epic level, that really they're saying that we're going to have an investigation, what I think will happen. What I said on my show is they're going to ultimately blame it on local law enforcement. That's what I think will happen.
Speaker 2:Well, go ahead, go ahead. I'm just taking all this in here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting to me because it's not just me that's saying this.
Speaker 3:A lot of people are saying this, it's just common sense.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are saying a lot of things.
Speaker 1:I think to me that when you start to look at the, the, the overall picture. Of course I know the three of us are not wishing ill will to any sitting president, former president, I know this group well enough to know that we ain't yet we ain't, we ain't going down that road. But let's go. Let's get back to the. There there were some failures. Maybe I mean we're talking on epic proportions. It sounds like I mean there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2:I mean most conspiracy theories. At the end of the day, when they get done signing it all up and figuring out who did what, and the narratives begin to Peter out, it always comes down to the same thing, and this is true of nine 11. It is true of 9-11. It is true of, like almost every conspiracy theory that I have covered and, believe me, I've covered a lot of them. It comes down to incompetence. On the level of that, you can't really believe incompetence Because you know what you're saying. Mike. It's a nice story, I like it, but you know I'm always a fan for any kind of conspiracy thing like this happened and that happened and this must have happened, but actually these guys just screwed up.
Speaker 3:I refute that entirely.
Speaker 2:It's another one of those kind of things like for all those things to happen that you just went through, you'd have to be like everything would have to be perfect.
Speaker 3:No, it wouldn't have to be, it would be understaffed. You would have. You would have the b team that apparently some members of the secret service didn't even show up for the on. They didn't even show up for the on-site. 9 am meeting. I mean, look, you don't have to believe me, I don't really care the idea this is. That's the same excuse I've heard a bajillion times. Oh you, you know it was just incompetence, it wasn't malice, no man, this was a deep state hit that failed.
Speaker 2:I said, from the get go, there's going to be a head. What?
Speaker 3:is that? Oh, I'm sure that's what it was, and I said there's going to be to find that for me, because I'm not really familiar with this. What I'm saying, Mark, you're too smart for this, you're too smart for this. You are too smart for this Look they wanted to take this guy out.
Speaker 2:An accountant from the IRS went in there and shot the guy. Who are you talking about?
Speaker 3:Mark. They already, from the forensics, believe that there were multiple shooters on site. And this is not coming from me. This was on the mainstream press today. I don't care what the mainstream Mark it's like, you know, mark, listen, I don't want to hear any more of this about conspiracy theory, but it's pattern recognition.
Speaker 3:It's the same thing over to. Everybody knows what this was. This was a failed assassination of a president, or a formal president, who's essentially probably going to win. Who's this? I mean, look about that. I mean, look, I don't know that that's going to happen for sure, but I think that there's a very strong possibility that that would happen. And after you've done everything else, you play the final card. This was inevitable, it was a matter of time.
Speaker 2:Has there been any investigation by any kind of meaningful law enforcement that supports any of the things that you're saying at the moment? I mean, do you think?
Speaker 3:that week ago, mark, and you happen a week ago, mark, and you know exactly how long these things take crooked.
Speaker 2:I mean, is everybody, is everything just fixed? Is that just the way it always is all right? I mean, I'm just tired of this stuff. I mean, mark, I'm freaking tired of it as well.
Speaker 3:I'm extremely tired of it and I am so beyond tired of it. But look, it is what it is. I mean this you're telling me this, kid they were so inept between local law enforcement and beyond the secret service. The woman said we couldn't place anybody on the roof.
Speaker 2:If you want to do this, wouldn't you get somebody better than a 20 year old kid to do it for you? I mean, you're trying to, that's the.
Speaker 3:That's what everybody says. He was the guy that was always intended to be the patsy. What does that make sense to you? I mean, you know, really everybody says that. But I think he was intended to be the patsy. And I will say this if he did, if he was the only guy, then how did he get there? How did?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, how did so many things happen that would allow this person now, finally, you're asking a question that makes sense.
Speaker 2:How did he get there and how did he stay there?
Speaker 3:so he was allowed to be there. He was. It's very simple he was allowed to be there and he most likely had assistance people were up there that that are supposedly in on this plot.
Speaker 2:That didn't happen to say anything mark all you have to do is let the kid in. The whole a gigantic. He's sitting up there for hours, mark, mark, okay, mark, stop it all of these people who were supposed to be doing this job.
Speaker 3:Why didn't they do the job? People saw the kid up there for 30 minutes, they told law enforcement. They told social uh uh secret service. Nobody responded because is that I mean it's? It's beyond logic. I'm I'm happy. It's beyond logic.
Speaker 2:I'm happy that. It's not just because I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, you know. It just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that could be a setup, that's all. It was just a fluke, you know. It just came out of nowhere. I mean this kid. I mean why can't they come up with a motive? Let me ask you, like, why haven't they come up with a motive? Huh, is this like? Let me ask you, like why haven't they come up with a motive yet? I mean Lee Harvey Oswald. You know he's a good patsy. He used to be a commie. You know he's a good drifter, he's a good patsy.
Speaker 3:So you're saying that after one week we should have already known why this kid did this?
Speaker 2:We should know a few things.
Speaker 3:We don't know anything more than we did when we when this happened I think we may know a lot and you're not being told that in the immediate days that this happened, the fbi was saying they couldn't get into his phone. Are you freaking, kidding me?
Speaker 1:so let's of course they can get into his phone. Now they're saying now they're saying that they got into his phone and he was looking at pornography and a couple of other things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what teenage kid was not you know like yeah, it's guys, come on, man, I mean what he's looking at pornography does that make him a bad?
Speaker 3:person. No, no, and I'm saying when they finally had to, when they finally had to admit that of course they could get into the phone. What did they say? They said well, you know, he was looking at pornography and then he had a couple of offshore accounts. Well, those are probably vpns which anybody could get.
Speaker 1:Which doesn't mean anything I know my buddy's trying to get a vpn because he got banned from, uh, his dating site. But you know, I mean I get it. I mean these are normal things that people are going to do. People have vpns precisely to do a bunch of different things. Of course, we all know what george carlin said a ton a long time ago about assassination. This changes the narrative. The assassination attempt on about assassination. This changes the narrative. The assassination attempt on Donald Trump period changes the narrative. He didn't get smoked out.
Speaker 2:He's truly lucky that this is the luckiest guy on earth, right?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to argue about this.
Speaker 2:He was the luckiest man on earth.
Speaker 1:Now the poll numbers change everyone, I mean regardless. This makes Donald Trump likable, regardless if he's great or not, if anybody doesn't like him.
Speaker 2:This changes the whole narrative. Are you saying it's a conspiracy theory in the other direction? Mario, that's what people were saying from the get-go.
Speaker 3:People were saying, on the day it happened, that he faked it himself. Mark, surely you heard this? Come on, man. That's the first thing I thought, dude, come on, that was the first thing. They said that this was a hoax and then he faked it himself. You know, people said that he faked it himself.
Speaker 2:Leave this. This guy is unbelievable but, you know, then I got a grip and my my rational side of my brain took over and I began to realize that, well, how could trump set this up and just get himself nicked in the ear? I mean, that's really just a little too close.
Speaker 3:A lot of people said that and a lot of people on the left said it.
Speaker 1:I will say this, regardless of what happened it was trending.
Speaker 3:I mean it was trending on social media. It wasn't like it was a secret. I don't want to listen to.
Speaker 2:Trump's social media, so I don't know anything about that I'm a rebel. I don't have Twitter. I refuse to have it.
Speaker 3:I won't give.
Speaker 2:Elon Musk a penny. All right, I'm not giving him one cent.
Speaker 3:Well, it wasn't just on Twitter, it was on pretty much all social media and people from the get-go.
Speaker 2:Whenever one of these gangsters own any of these fucking, these things, I'm not giving them any money, but they're not the ones who are creating the content.
Speaker 3:The content is coming from the people that are on them, and all I'm saying is I mean even people that I know who's enabling them.
Speaker 2:You know who's providing the service so they can say whatever they want to say. You know, in this great democracy of ours, you can say the stupidest things you can think of and put it up on social media.
Speaker 3:Well, that's another story media.
Speaker 1:You know that's well, that's another story, but but it's like people like myself who go and we do these, these types of show that get us a strike on on on a platform such as a youtube or, you know, that's the only one. So, at this point in time, for someone like myself who tries to keep the content down the middle and not go too crazy, to the.
Speaker 2:I think we're going right down the middle here. He's on one side, I'm on the other side. What I'm saying is not exactly new.
Speaker 3:I mean, this is what everybody said from the get-go.
Speaker 2:Well, all right, you're informing me of something I didn't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, I did a show on this on.
Speaker 2:My first feeling was this is a setup. And then I began to think a little clearly, because, you know, I'm 76 years old. I lived through the John Kennedy assassination, the Robert Kennedy assassination, the Martin Luther King assassination all these different things, and I've heard a million different things and every single time there's a fall guy and sometimes the fall guy takes the fall or not. So okay, when you say he's the fall guy, it sounds like you're casting a play or something like that. So you know, I can't really.
Speaker 3:I'm just calling it the way I see it.
Speaker 2:I mean, like Mike, I love you, I love you and whatever you say, I'm willing to consider it. But it just I'm telling you how it seemed to me.
Speaker 1:Michael, let me ask you this If this was what would be a complete failure on the Secret Service, the court, the Well it is, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:We agree on that and I'm telling you how that incredibly improbable that is.
Speaker 1:And I'm telling you how that incredibly improbable that is. So, regardless on the language that was used, in regards to not having communications with you know, the FBI, local law enforcement having the perimeter secured, why they left him on top of a roof for such a long time. Someone is going to be, someone has to pay, someone in the Secret Service will have to step in.
Speaker 2:I mean to go back to the original question who benefits from the fact that Donald Trump was shot at and lived? I mean, you know it's Donald Trump, right?
Speaker 3:Well, he was not supposed to live, and that's what I'm saying. So now Kim Cheadle, who's the head of the Secret Service, should have resigned literally that day.
Speaker 3:I agree, and Mayorkas and Mayorkas should also resign. He has been an abysmal failure on so many levels. And don't bring in other topics, dude. I'm going to RFK asked for Secret Service coverage. The man's family has been. He's had two people assassinated and they declined and finally, the day after this assassination attempt, they said we're going to give RFK Secret Service detail. I mean these people. If it's incompetence, it is criminal incompetence and it's criminal that it has been allowed to continue.
Speaker 2:Well, I would entertain that position.
Speaker 1:But you know, the thing is that, like the big plan thing, the overall plan, the kind of like push the button and the Illuminati go into a oh we got, we got shit doesn't fit this situation, man so, guys, I mean we're looking at someone who was, I mean, if it really feels like this, very strange, very tumultuous, regardless on what side of the fence you lie on, where we clearly know where you guys lie, but regardless on what side of the fence most people lie on you have.
Speaker 3:Let me clear something up.
Speaker 1:You finish I don't care, I'm sorry, let me finish, regardless on what side of the fence you're on, I was like, damn that, that's crazy. That crazy that is. A former president was almost killed. My thoughts was damn, this changes the narrative. If you're a Democrat, you have no chance in hell. No, I mean you're. You're, your person was fumbling on the one yard line during a debate and you are trying to get through a touchdown and you know that, for everything, that every one of these democrats and look, I, I'm in, I'm in a blue state, so I see a lot of this stuff going on a lot of people are saying, god, this doesn't look good for the party. That's what I'm hearing outside in regards to. But all of them said, damn, this sucks. This sucks big time because this changes the narrative for Democrats in regards.
Speaker 2:Well, tell me how it, tell me how you think it changed the narrative for Democrats.
Speaker 1:Well, first and foremost, now, all of a sudden, you have your candidate who was fumbling during a debate, who couldn't answer these words, and then messes up during the UN. You're continuing to go through a timeline and you're watching your candidate continuing to fumble the football, recover it, get it and keep moving forward. Not looking great for Democrats All the way up to this, the point in time where then the assassination attempt happens. It's a whole new narrative. And now, here we are in the middle of this book. We haven't even touched the next headline story. But in regards to what may, what one may party may think of how this assassination attempt goes, it's terrible period. First and foremost, terrible on the part of the service, on the part of local law enforcement. That gentleman who was on the rooftop should not been there. Now, if there were other shooters, we'll know that. If there was a grassy, no, we're going to know about the grassy no. If we're going to know about the umbrella guy, we're going to hear about the umbrella guy. But those stories, aren't.
Speaker 2:There's no doubt about that, but the thing is that luckily luckily for us that these, these, these news cycles are so quick that you know, I think this is yesterday's papers already. It's strange, I mean I mean to hear just a mic. You'll have to agree with this, I think. Think I mean the idea that a guy who has a very good chance of becoming the president was almost shot and now that thing has been completely usurped in the news cycle by something else that happened.
Speaker 3:I mean, this stuff doesn't happen normally Today for a minute. But I want to circle back to something that I want to be very clear about In past tense. I don't care if it was Donald Trump or if it were Hillary Clinton, or if it was Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody. I would be calling for an investigation of what happened. How did these security lapses occur? So I want to be clear about this. This isn't about Donald Trump. This is about anybody that's supposedly protecting the president of the United States. That is their job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is the thing they train for every day and I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the amount of errors that occurred could occur Now also. Just one last thing I want to I want to bring up on. This is immediately A lot of people thought that there was guy or someone shooting from the water tower. So this isn't just me, this isn't just coming out of my head, this is what a lot?
Speaker 3:of people. This is what a lot of people said, and I mean this was on mainstream news today. This was on Maria Bartiromo show. They're going're gonna have an investigation how far it gets. I doubt it's gonna get very far well, because it looks because it right, because it looks very bad for government um departments. It looks fbi supposedly going to investigate this man. I don't, I don't think so, uh, maybe I hope they do, I hope they do. I hope that we get to the bottom I'm all for transparency.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, like, the idea of covering stuff up is disgusting, so, like, you know, it's got to be done. And the woman it's good that she should have resigned immediately. I agree with you completely. This is a major screw-up.
Speaker 2:No, regardless of what I mean, whatever the rationale for the person being up there and getting a clear shot and I think you probably know, an AR-15 type gun at that distance with a scope is kind of like it's hard to miss, you know. So, like, because I've done it, you know, I mean a .223 bullet. I mean the fact that that didn't blow a guy's ear off, or at least the side of his head, is pretty amazing, you know. But regardless of all those things, it's got to be looked into and I agree with you totally. And it doesn't make a difference who it is. But I mean one question I would ask, which I think you might actually be thinking about, is if a president, if a guy who's running for president is having a lot of rallies, for instance and I'm not trying to besmirch Trump at all he's running for president, so he'd have as many rallies as he should, but do they send the first team?
Speaker 3:No, no, actually it's very complicated. The show that I did on Tuesday goes through all of this. He would actually have a better security detail now than he did just last week. That's what's interesting, because there are levels of security detail that you get from the Secret Service. That's what I would figure.
Speaker 3:And not only did he have a reduced detail, but both Kamala and Jill were in town, so that pulled away some more people from the people that he was having to get. So what did they do? They supplemented it with just kind of on the spot guys. I mean it's so incomprehendably, Incomprehensible, Ridiculous, Incomprehensibly, whatever the word is. It's just I don't think that's the case. I mean, certainly there was some, certainly there was some incompetence, but to that level, just it's hard for me to believe. The other thing about this that roof that that kid was on, guess what there were snipers inside the building.
Speaker 3:You're telling me this guy that's been walking around for an hour that's been telling law enforcement that he's up there, that we're getting video of in real time. Meanwhile the guy's inside.
Speaker 1:Nobody does anything. They should have smoked him from the other angle.
Speaker 2:They should, it's very hard for me to I agree with you, I agree with you that, um, I just don't see it. You know, like I put it together like that, I just I mean, how come? I mean I don't want to cut my own throat off, because I've written about this a million times but how come none of these things, ever, nobody ever comes forth and spills the entire beans. You know, I mean, it just never happens, you know. So I've come to the conclusion after all these years that there's just some things that are just mysteries, like the trial. I would assume that everybody in the world would admit that the crime of the century of the 20th century was the killing of John Fitzgerald Kennedy in front of like who knows how many hundreds of witnesses. You know, and still they can't figure out who did it. That is a mystery.
Speaker 3:That is not necessarily a cover-up, because I think it incriminates a system that stands nothing to gain by telling the truth. And if you want to tell the truth, well, we've got a place for you too let me ask you it's pretty simple let me, let's go back to the, the whole, the, the.
Speaker 1:You know the crime of the century here about the jfk assassination. Was it an inside job, guys? Do you really believe that, do you? Or do you really think that?
Speaker 2:I don't believe that lee harvey oswald, or do you really think that? I don't believe that lee harvey oswald did it and acted alone.
Speaker 1:No, I don't believe that. But on the other hand, it.
Speaker 2:I all these different proofs I mean from. I mean there's been several, we don't have to go through them all, but there are several schools of thought on this, as you know. All you guys know, right so, but none of them are ever panned out, you know, and all these people are all dead by now. So you'd figure that somewhere there'd be some evidence, because there are, regardless of what you might think, there are people that actually try to find the truth. You know they would actually like to find out what really happened as opposed to trying to cover it up. You know, and it never happens. So you know, I I throw this out to the panel here, like why does that? Why is it that way is?
Speaker 2:it just never been proved one way or the other well, I think on, I think this one didn't do it for sure. The cubans didn't do it for sure. All those different people that we thought did it didn't do it there's a show on paramount right now.
Speaker 3:Um, it was based on a book by Thomas Mayer and this book, this show, it just started just a matter of days ago. It's called Mafia Spies and what it is about is about the clandestine plan between the CIA and the mafia to take out Kennedy and the people in the mafia that they this is alan dulles and the boys approach sam giacana and johnny roselli, and here again.
Speaker 1:This is this I love it.
Speaker 3:This is mainstream television and I think that's probably.
Speaker 2:I think that's what happened, man um, look, you know, if I had a, if I had to check a box, yeah, I'd probably'd probably check something like that. Let me roll that back.
Speaker 3:But they did. I mean, who actually pulled the trigger and how? I don't know that, but the idea to do this is a real thing. It really happened. The driver wasn't the shooter. I've heard that too. I don't know who did it.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that's got to be the most insane theory I've ever heard.
Speaker 3:It's my show so I'm going with that one. A lot of people think that, and I don't know.
Speaker 2:I love Bill Cooper came up with the idea that the driver did it. And then, you know, if you were stoned enough and you kept watching the Zapruda film enough times like 500 times you would go. Yeah, yeah, I can see that you know. But you know I don't know. I mean, you know I'm not trying to be a cold water on some of these things, but I just, you know they got to make some kind of sense. You know the availability has got to be there.
Speaker 3:The thing that I come down on on conspiracies and I try to explain this to people that the CIA was very clever back in the 60s when they came up with this idea conspiracy theory because the whole idea was to make people think things are impossible or far out. And if you believe that you're nuts, let me tell you something really quick there are good and there are bad people and there are people the worst thing that you can imagine someone has done. Most likely many people have done it. And just because you can't conceive that it could be done does not mean that it cannot. So it's human nature. There's good and there's bad people, and people will do things sometimes for the least good reason. So when I hear about somebody doing something bad even if it's someone famous or it's someone in power or it's some trusted person that we are all shocked about I'm like guess what? That's just a human being no more, no less.
Speaker 2:Well, I agree with you completely about that. I mean, and to me also, it just seems like somebody's gonna get blamed, right. Yeah, that's just the way things are. You're gonna have to get someone's, you gotta find blame and then when you can't find blame, like the kennedy assassins, you can't find somebody to blame it on, because right now the harvey oswald thing, I mean you can talk to. You could walk around new york city or vicksburg, mississippi, where I am now, and you could. You could ask a hundred people I bet you have not more than 10 of them would tell you that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy and did it alone, if they even remember the fact that a guy named John Kennedy was the president. So, like you know, I don't know. I mean, yeah, we get very hot about this kind of stuff when it's happening, but you know, as I said, the news cycle is such that like, oh, trump got shot, yeah, oh, yeah, that was last week, man, what happened now? You know what I mean? It's just part of this world.
Speaker 3:But we are in the internet age now, and so I think what occurred with JFK cannot happen now, so I don't think that this will be allowed to go down the memory hole. Now they may lie about it, but no, this is immoral, this is memorialized, and now you've crowdsourced truth-seeking.
Speaker 3:So there's all these people out there that couldn't do for JFK what they're about to do for Trump. All of these people, all these independent researchers all across the globe, are now going to examine footage and facts. I mean, you've just open sourced these types of things to the entire world for the future.
Speaker 2:There's one thing I've learned in the past couple of years. You know I occasionally an old dog learns things that the idea that a picture doesn't lie is definitely not true.
Speaker 1:Of course I understand.
Speaker 2:They can look at a million YouTubes and a million this and you have thousands of deep fake Photoshop's and all kinds of stuff and it's not going to prove anything.
Speaker 3:It doesn't have to be pictures, it could be. It could be a litany of facts and just information and data Forensics for one.
Speaker 1:We live in a day and age where we have to be so careful, where we're consuming our media, because number one, let's I'm going to put this out here AI is going to continue to be a part of this election that you're going to see new cycles that are going to be sent, that are going to continue to feed the narrative of maybe a third gunman or this is just me putting some stuff out there to say there may be. You're going to see stories that are going to continue to come out that are going to be AI generated with. Well, it was like you're going to see these things they're going to. The story is, the narrative is going to be told via AI and you're going to continue to see it on the behalf of Donald Trump, or maybe not on the on this behalf.
Speaker 3:The problem is generic is problem is the generic level that AI composes with. Everybody already doesn't like AI art and I have the tools that I can create text with through AI. It's always so bad.
Speaker 1:I mean everybody.
Speaker 3:It gets better, I know, but people are hip. I mean, there's already a pushback against this. I know some artists that will have nothing to do with.
Speaker 2:AI?
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course, I mean listen I want to cut corners, I want to make my content creation easier, but when it comes out of Descript or whatever, I'm like wow, that's bad, I can't put that out.
Speaker 2:You know what's going to happen. There's going to be these different grades of so-called content. Right, there's going to be human-generated content that's going to cost this amount of money. Ai-generated content is going to be cheaper, and then there's going to be all different variations.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the way it's going to be, it's going to be like you know.
Speaker 2:remember the line in Blade Runner where he goes into the snake char. There's this stripper and she has a snake and he goes is that a real snake? And he goes wow, if I had a real snake I wouldn't be working at a place like this. You know it's like you know we're living in. One of the reasons why we're even here talking is we're living in an era of like it's not such an era of amazing change all the time, because really, when they invented the airplane and all that kind of stuff, all in about 10, 15 years, that was a big change too. But the mental change is lost is Well, I'm just saying that the computer is reconfiguring your brain. Believe that's not?
Speaker 2:a conspiracy theory and the amount of doubt and you know there's all this crap that these pundit types always talk about, which is a real snore actually happens to be somewhat true, you know. I mean there is the lack of like. You know like I can understand. I understand the Trump voter. Really, I kind of understand and I sympathize with them Somebody who wants to know what's what. I don't want to know the crap. I don't want to know your opinion. I want to know what's what. I want a leader. I want somebody who's going to be somebody that I'm going to depend on, whether I like him or I don't like him. I want this leader. So you know that's fine. I mean, I don't happen to agree with his position, so I don't support him. But you know that to me represents something that is a reaction against what we're talking about here, where AI and all this kind of stuff you can't trust anything. But if Donald Trump comes along and he says something, then I'm going to trust what he says. So you know I get that.
Speaker 3:Let me just say this I want to be wrong. I want to be completely wrong about this, and it will not hurt my feelings to come out and say you know what? I was dead wrong. I've seen so much of this happen that I'm not trying to rationalize that I had a reason to believe this, but I do want to be wrong. So I want to be very clear to the audience. I'm not saying this because I'm voting for Donald Trump. I like Ron Paul, and I would have rather voted for Tulsi Gabbard if you asked the truth, but that's just the way it is. So I want to be wrong.
Speaker 2:Ron Paul was the greatest politician because he had 2% and everything. But then in the youth vote he had like 29% and I was going why is that? And then I realized he's for legalizing marijuana.
Speaker 3:A lot of things.
Speaker 2:A lot of no, you know. Look, he's like a libertarian idea is fine, you know, but I don't think it works for a lot of people.
Speaker 3:And I'm not totally bought into that either. I'm just saying as a singular politician of my life, that was my guy. But the main point I just want to make is I want to be wrong about this. I really do. What part of it do you want to be wrong about? I want to be wrong about the fact that it was a conspiracy to kill donald trump beyond the mind of a 20, 20 year old kid who climbed up on top of the building no, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean it's another one of those kind of things I don't even know it's worth talking about because you're never going to know the answer. You know it's another one of those kind of things I don't even know is worth talking about because you're never going to know the answer. You know like it's not going to end up, the answer does come out. The people who did it are probably powerful enough to cover it up. So you know it's just another rabbit hole with no payoff.
Speaker 2:So I'd rather move on and talk about this current event of today actually, I've got to say that the people in my little cohort in Blue Land were about ready to just drown themselves ever since June 27th. When you're looking at this thing and you're going like, the look on the face of the NPR PBS panel when they went back after that debate, the look on the face of the NPR PBS panel when they went back to the after that debate, the look on their face was like worth, I mean. It was like what. I mean there was no other way. So now the guy's gone, right, this guy's gone and they got some and they'll find somebody else probably Harris, so but everybody in the blue land is totally energized by this, as opposed to being completely unenergized and more or less. I mean, the idea of Donald Trump winning by a landslide was never believable to me, but I still feel he'll probably win, but it's just got a billion times more interesting. I wonder what you thought about that.
Speaker 3:I don't know why anybody was surprised. I don't know why all these people are like oh my God, he's mentally disabled. Yo, he's been like that since he came into the presidency and you guys have been carrying water, acting like what was right in front of your eyes was not. I mean, it's asinine. So now all of a sudden, they're saying don't use any harsh rhetoric. And oh my God, how did we not know that he was? I just wrote a piece in New York Magazine and I called him all kinds of names.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you're one individual. He was an idiot, he was completely irresponsible to think that he was capable of doing this anymore. Plus, he said after he won, which he did win, and so he wins. He did a lot, you know, from his point of view. He got a lot of legislation passed, you know. So he's considered a success by some people, right, so like not the worst president of all time, so, like you know. But he knew, he had to know, he had to know that he wasn't capable of doing this. And you know, if he's, if he's, if he's so upset about Donald Trump becoming the president, couldn't he just say well, where do we go?
Speaker 3:I think. I think that he and his family have made so much money off of it and protected the legal shenanigans that they've been up to for so long that they didn't want to get out of it.
Speaker 2:So, and I think, that nobody wants to give up power, nobody wants to give. That's a, that's an axiom. Nobody wants to give up power.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are we living in a day and age where, like should we just call it like poly tricks? Now it's not even real politics anymore? It's what's? What have you done for me lately? It's you know what big donors are, you know?
Speaker 2:are we living. I think this is real politics. I think this is politics, it's just a different kind of politics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like I mean, it's a politics for the money donors.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's no different than it used to be. I mean, you don't think that the that the Democrat or the Republican nominee in the presidential election of 1900 was sucking up to Cornelius Vanderbilt to give him money? I mean, you know now, it didn't used to get talked about. You didn't used to see it in the newspaper. Now you know all about Sheldon Alderson and his wife and all these things like that and all the loonies that and those loonies that were that couple that was advising Biden.
Speaker 2:They were like, you know, if you want to call them a Manchurian candidate, where are they coming from? The Duns or whatever they are. You know these people are just. You don't want those kind of people around your presidential candidate, you know. So you know these things are. You know, I think it's kind of like it could be a healthy thing if the Democrats regardless you know they're still Democrats they'll probably screw it up. But if they have a sort of a semi-open convention and they choose a nominee and that nominee runs against Donald Trump, that's a much better situation for the state of the country than the one we had a couple of days ago before Biden came out. You know, it's just to me. I mean, yeah, mike, you feel might feel your side has less chance to win now that I don't know if that's true or not, but you've got to admit that it's just much more interesting now than it was before.
Speaker 3:I actually think that they stood a better chance with Biden, and I'll tell you why Because if we had a fair and If we had fair elections, I think Donald Trump wins every time. But we don't and no.
Speaker 2:I'm serious, Mark. I'm sure you do.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you do, but here's the deal.
Speaker 1:I think that they had better. I think that they had a better chance.
Speaker 3:I think they had a better chance with Biden, but that doesn't mean that she cannot win. In fact, I think that she may win. I hope so. I do not. I think that she's completely worthless.
Speaker 2:But that's why this conversation is a good conversation, understood.
Speaker 3:But the deal is. I think the only reason he backed out today is because of money the big donors have all pulled out and so down ticket all the rest of these. The jackals were like, oh my God, if they pull the money on him then it may affect my race down ticket.
Speaker 2:So they all begin to. What do you think I'm supposed to have better morals than everybody else? That is not true.
Speaker 3:I know Right, but but I'm just telling you the truth. That's why he pulled out. Not because he felt any, not because he felt he was being derelict to the country. He should have done that a long time ago.
Speaker 2:You don't know. You're not inside his head. You don't know. You don't know anything. What do I not know, mark? You don't know why he decided to pull out this particular day. Why did he pull out when last week the same thing was happening?
Speaker 3:he didn't want to pull out then because they just kept coming at him and the money kept seeking away and finally it's just like I'm going to have to do it now, I think the assassination it could be. Of course yes, the assassination attempt and him pulling out are definitely connected.
Speaker 2:Now they're not connected because somebody made it happen that way. It just became more and more obvious to Biden that he's a losing candidate. So yeah, he's a piece.
Speaker 3:But yesterday he was going to stay in the race. Yesterday he was still in the race and they were still going to be out there this week doing things gangbusters.
Speaker 2:Maybe it was the last draw. He said everybody hates me and now I got COVID. I mean, come on, I give up. You don't know why people do these things. Why are you so suspicious all the time you know you're so suspicious?
Speaker 3:Mark, why are you so naive? You're too old for that.
Speaker 2:No, I'm straight up.
Speaker 3:Quit being naive. I mean, you know all of this.
Speaker 2:I don't think of Secret Service. You know an engineer to hit on the president. I hope that I'm wrong.
Speaker 3:I hope that I'm wrong. I hope that I'm wrong. If they didn't, then they need to explain all the failures, which are multiple. And as far as Biden, I think he only pulled out because the money had made it untenable any further, I'm sure you'll write this to a large degree.
Speaker 2:I mean you know you can't run for, unfortunately in this country. You can't run for, unfortunately in this country you can't run for president unless somebody's giving you a billion dollars every day, which makes it. And this argument about Trump being against American democracy is just a bunch of malarkey, because there's no such thing as that to begin with. So, like you know, and it doesn't mean that Trump is good for the country, but he's, and it doesn't mean that Trump is good for the country, but democracy, if it ever existed in this country to begin with, has left the building a long, long time ago.
Speaker 1:So we know that party to actually start playing chess versus checkers and start making moves that are going to be more of a generational move, because I think there are a lot of people who may be democrats, who may, uh, fear that they're. You know, maybe they're, uh, maybe they have a, maybe they are a female and they happen to like, uh, you know, the right to choose these types of things. Are we looking at a situation where we're I mean, this is not to be conspiracy theorist, but what the hell?
Speaker 2:Are we looking at a conspiracy show, mike Mario?
Speaker 1:Are we playing the long game here as Democrats? Playing the long game, you know? Are they trying to get back? Because I feel, if I was to look at the big picture and what they're clueless man.
Speaker 2:They don't have any strategy. I mean you're giving them much too much credit.
Speaker 1:I mean Republicans.
Speaker 2:They have strategy. They have. I'm giving out. You know, last time when Trump won he was the most surprised guy in the room. You know they didn't have anything together and you know now they do. I'm not so sure I'm so happy about that, but they are organized and they are together. The democrats are just a bunch of like herding cats kind of thing. You know. It's unfortunate because I see, just the opposite.
Speaker 2:You do yes well, I don't know. I mean, then tell me why you think that. Because I don't think that, because the democrats will circle the wagons around anything.
Speaker 3:it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. If you're on our team, we're all in Now in this particular case in this particular case— I think exactly the same thing about you. I know you do.
Speaker 1:I know you do Isn't that both parties, though Huh, maybe we're— Wouldn't we say that that's both parties though, aren't we I mean, you're supposed to rally up behind your guy, right?
Speaker 3:I mean that's yeah, but it doesn't always work that way.
Speaker 2:It doesn't always work that way, um, but let me just say you know, half the party is telling him to get out, half the party's telling him to get in.
Speaker 3:That started two weeks ago that started like what two, three weeks ago, after he was abysmal at a debate in which he only represented what he always represents, which is a man who, unfortunately, is in severe mental decline, and then everybody's like holy crap, now we're busted when, in fact, it was plain to see for everybody. So what happens now? So, when we enter this convention, I think it's going to be interesting, because Are you going to watch? No, I'm going to be out of the country at the time.
Speaker 3:Well, good, because I didn't watch a second republican convention, so I mean, I'll be, I'll be watching the news and I'll see tidbits, um on my phone, but, um, but I think it's going to be very interesting because I I don't know that, I think that it's all sealed up for kamala.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't think if you.
Speaker 3:If you would have asked me a year, if you would have asked me a year ago, I would have said it's going to be gavin newsom, because you've got a, a guy who's he's terrible. I live here, I know, but that doesn't matter I mean I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:I would have a hard time voting for that guy. He's gonna run. He will run into, completely change his image and do all kinds of stuff to him, and they don't have the time for that.
Speaker 3:So he's out. So, apparently, right before this show started, jin Van Laar, who's a journalist who's worked here in California I like him very much apparently just told his people clear my schedule for the next three days, make of that what you will. So what I think will happen, he's going to clear his schedule.
Speaker 1:Is that what you said? What I think, so what I think will happen? They're clear he's going to clear his schedule. Is that what you said?
Speaker 3:yeah, so here's what I think is going to happen. I think that will kamala and he will talk and she will offer him the vp slot which then no way.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's swing state she needs. She needs a swing state she needs.
Speaker 2:It's gonna. It's gonna be the guy from k man, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3:This is what.
Speaker 2:I think it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3:Why does it not make any sense?
Speaker 2:Because he's not popular. The Democrats are going to carry California anyhow. They don't need him.
Speaker 3:I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe I am am maybe he's gonna, maybe he's gonna get a job in like somewhere in the.
Speaker 3:Uh, the reason I think you would, the reason I think that you would do this the reason I think that you would do this is to key him up for a slot for eight years down the line I think I think you're hoping that happens, but that's, I don't man, I I don't want that to happen. I live, live here and I see how devastating the state is he's a loser.
Speaker 2:You'd be surprised.
Speaker 3:A lot of people will vote for him because he's a Democrat in a nice suit with nice hair.
Speaker 2:He's got a nice haircut, but I mean, give me a break, ronald.
Speaker 3:Reagan, I'm telling you the way I see it.
Speaker 2:Ronald Reagan had all black hair until his late, late days, and I'm very envious of that. So, like you know, don't say anything bad about Ronald Reagan, I'm just saying that you have good hair. You have good hair.
Speaker 1:you know, here's what I'm going to tell you, Michael. I'm going to go against your theory. I think you're going to get eight years. You're going to get four from Trump, and then you're going to get eight out of Vance, and then there'll be.
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't know, and I wasn't even a Vance guy, by the way. That's my prediction. I mean, the idea that Trump picked Vance to me was his first big mistake in this campaign, because a he brings nothing to the ticket whatsoever, just to the base.
Speaker 3:He doesn't expand the the only way that I hear you.
Speaker 2:The only way that the Democrats can, the only way that Trump can win is because he can't win the election, but the Democrats can lose. The only way that Trump can win is because he can win the election, but the Democrats can lose. There's no doubt about it. That's the way it works. That's why I see it. So the Democrats are doing a fantastic job at losing the election. There's no doubt about it. So, like um, things may change now, but I don't know so.
Speaker 2:But so Vance? A he brings nothing to your ticket. B he just makes all the people that hate you hate you more. C I wouldn't pick that guy for vice anything. I would hire a food taster before I take him because he's got. You know, trump thinks about himself as Julius Caesar. If you ever read any plays by William Shakespeare, you know that Jan Cassius is the guy who wants to get rid of that guy so he can take over. And when you look at Mr Vance, there, I see only Jan Cassius. Man, he is a rat thing from day one. He's not a responsible individual. You want him near power.
Speaker 1:Do you think, michael, do you think I?
Speaker 3:could say that about a lot of democrats.
Speaker 2:But go ahead what do you think of that, mike? Do you think I'm wrong about that?
Speaker 3:he's not the person I would pick. I wanted tulsi gabbard for the anti, for the reasons that you just mentioned, but I know like my dad immediately called me up. He's like, hey, man, what do you think? Because my dad watches cnbcl. So vance is an interesting story. He's a young guy, that is, he speaks extremely well. I will give him that he's he's. He's a talker, he's an incredible orator and his logic is sound. That doesn't mean I have to like him, but he also brings an incredible amount of money to the table and a great deal of business confidence in him. He was a former partner with peter thiel, who I'm also not necessarily a fan of, but that doesn't really matter. So he's he was not he was.
Speaker 2:Journalists lost their jobs because of peter thiel, you know, and this guy is a gangster, I mean from way back, and that's the reason why hulk hogan was on the campaign thing, you know, because he's the one that the back bank, hulk hogan you know, I've heard all that, but it still doesn't change my feelings about the whole thing.
Speaker 3:I wanted Tulsi Gabbard, as a VP, to neutralize this idea that we have to have a woman or a person of color all the rest of the bullshit that they're going to pull into it. So he didn't do that. I like her because I like the way she thinks and I think she's a person of integrity With vision. I hope that he gives her a place in the cabinet. I hope that he gives Ramaswamy a place in the cabinet. Both are people that I support wholeheartedly, so, but I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:So do you think it was a bad choice by taking Dan's? It wasn't my choice.
Speaker 3:Do you?
Speaker 2:think that was a mistake On that part.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to say that because I don't know. I told you who I wanted and that's not the person he chose.
Speaker 2:I mean it seems like the first unforced error that I've seen out of Donald Trump in this campaign. Well, we'll wait. We'll wait and see.
Speaker 3:A lot of people have said that, and that may be true. That may be true. I don't know yet.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to hope for the best, because that's what I got to work with. You'll see. You'll come back to Biden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know that at the end of the day, as you said, mark, it's the Democrats to lose. I mean, they're down, right, they're down a few runs.
Speaker 2:There's more Democrats than there are Republicans. It's always theirs to lose, you know, so like, and somehow they seem to be able to do it all the time.
Speaker 2:lose, I mean you know, so you know, it's an interesting question, but you know, I think that people are very. I mean, the thing about the abortion thing, I mean you can play it down as much as you want, but that's really a very big issue here and it's going to and people think about it. You know a lot and there's a bunch of different things that all this kind of male, kind of like domination that you see at the Republican convention. It looks great on TV and all kinds of stuff. I don't know if you happen to like charles bronson movies and stuff, but the thing is that, uh, you know, or whoever replaced them, but it it's, it doesn't really play in a lot of places and I think that there's always a chance that they could lose.
Speaker 3:so and mark. I'll take the opposite side of that trade. You can say that what you're seeing on the republican side is a bunch of male oriented white dudes, and what we see on the left is a lack of real character, and instead what they put in is a lot of just virtue signaling. Look, we've got a person with pink hair.
Speaker 2:We've got a black person, we've got a lesbian, we've got all of this. I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 3:I couldn't agree with you more, so that cuts both ways.
Speaker 2:You're a home team and you feel like they're screwing up. It's like rooting for the Oakland A's your team has bad management, but you can't get out of rooting for them, right? Because they're your team. So, therefore, if they show a little bit of life, like they have today, they've got a new life. They've got a new chance here.
Speaker 2:Regardless of what you want to think of Kamala Harris, the situation has changed. You never know what happens when the complexion of something changes. You pull one little string out of a garment and then, all of a sudden, the whole thing falls apart. As you know well, this is a change and I think we've got to look hard to see how it's going to play out in the next couple of weeks and then after the convention. Because, if anybody remembers, in American politics they used to have the conventions in August. They would nominate the person I mean whether it was indoors, you know, behind closed doors, whatever.
Speaker 2:The campaign was started on September, on Labor Day, and then they would run to election day and then they would elect the person. That would be the way it was. It didn't go on for four years, every single day, 24 hours a day, the way it does now. So you know, maybe people are just going to be in a situation I'm just sick of all this stuff, so maybe I'm going to vote for her. Maybe that's going to happen. I don't know if it will, but it could. So I think that people are so trained by the way the media covers these kind of things that they want to rebel. It's just like just the way you feel you want to rebel against whatever it is, because you feel it's fixed against you. I feel that the media is fixed against me and I'm a member of the media, so therefore I'm going to repel against it as much as I possibly can.
Speaker 1:We thank our listeners or viewers that are watching us via whichever platform Twitch, youtube before you haven't been banned, you're welcome to send your comments in via the chat there. To send your comments in via the chat there. Guys, the last time a sitting president did not seek the nomination for the parties was in the 60s. Is that right? I mean, I wasn't alive Lyndon Johnson yeah. What about Gerald Ford?
Speaker 3:Did Gerald Ford run against Carter? He ran, yeah, he ran and lost.
Speaker 2:So the it was close but he lost. So but the thing about johnson which is really kind of surprising is because you see these images of him and he was only he only just turned 60 when he made that speech. I mean, how much wear and tear was on that guy and he died like yeah, well, he died within a year after that. I mean mean he knew he was done, so he did the right thing, and you?
Speaker 2:know, I always had a lot of respect for William Johnson, even though I didn't agree with him about the Vietnam War, of course, because he was trying to get me killed. I wasn't in favor of that, so, like you know, but I mean he was a very thoughtful guy. He did all kinds of stuff that a Southern senator would never, ever do, you know, like pass the Voting Rights Act and a bunch of other things that were really very helpful for people that were underprivileged in this country, and so the fact that Biden couldn't figure out what LBJ could figure out at 20 years younger is, you know it's on him, but you know it's a new day, so we'll see what happens michael, do you think that?
Speaker 1:um, you think this was a plot? Do you think this? I I mean in not regards to the assassination, but do you feel like in the news cycle, because, uh, mark was saying that this is a new, a new news cycle, so this changes the narrative for your team, right? I mean, do you feel like now you guys are behind the eight ball?
Speaker 3:No, I don't feel any different than I did before, because we all knew that he was going to step down today. I mean, look, you knew it was going to happen today. Yeah, a lot of people did I mean we all knew it was going to mean this look, you put your.
Speaker 1:You were stepping down today. I told you on the phone on friday.
Speaker 3:Look guys, come on, man, this is our job it's my job a lot of people knew it was most likely to happen on the weekend and and it did, and so I mean I'm not really surprised. I mean my opinion is, I think that kamala is uniquely unqualified for the job. I mean, she was a terrible vice president. She did nothing about the border, of which she was supposedly the czar of it, but she is connected and she is in the place, and so you know, I don't think she's a strong candidate, but I don't think you have to be well, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know I'm not in favor of just anointing her to be the candidate. I thought it would be the most interesting thing to do, but the most radical thing to do. Democrats, to go into an open convention. Let everybody make their speeches, pick somebody, let them all hold hands at the end and have a hootenanny kind of thing.
Speaker 3:I think that may still happen. I think there, things that you can't even believe are going to happen are going to happen. I'm I'm actually quite uncomfortable with this period in time. Um, why so? Oh, I think things could go completely off the rails I mean haven't they already?
Speaker 1:I mean haven't they all did any?
Speaker 3:did no, did you? Did anybody hear? Crowd strike you ever heard of crowd strike uh, yeah, well yes.
Speaker 1:Well, yes, yes, this is an interesting topic about this Hell, yeah, it is. You're talking about it Very interesting.
Speaker 2:Now Michael and I are on the same team here again.
Speaker 3:Look, I don't know what's going to happen, and I don't want anything bad to happen. It's just that we have entered this level of novelty and instability. I think that you could see a market correction. I think you could see another digital snafu like what we just had over the weekend. Some people think that this was a stunt. I think a lot of things could happen that are not good at all. I don't necessarily know that Donald Trump even makes it to the final election. I mean, I don't think they're going to stop. I think the fact that this failed is probably only going to embolden them. So I think that there is a lot of instability over the next 90, 120 days in store for us, and it begins almost immediately.
Speaker 1:Are you saying the conspiracy of the Simpson is what you're referring to? That conspiracy that Donald Trump doesn't make it as that he's not going to be alive, Is what you're referring to?
Speaker 3:come on, guys, everybody knows this. I mean, look it's. This is a lot of people I've never. I don't know anything about what you're talking about, the simpsons things look there is a simpson. Uh, yeah, okay well, the simpsons have supposedly predicted a lot of things, and it is interesting. It is interesting, but um trump in there.
Speaker 1:Yes, but hey, it's my job to know about these different conspiracies right.
Speaker 3:I hope that there's not another incident there won't be.
Speaker 1:There's no way in hell, there's no way in chance that that is going to happen. They're going to make sure that his ass is covered from head to toe.
Speaker 3:You mean like they should have done last week.
Speaker 1:Well, that was last week. This is a new week and I bet you that guy has secret service detail that is going to be on point, regardless of who the candidate is.
Speaker 3:You know what I said. You know what I said. What I said to the secret service asset last week is like if I was Donald Trump or any person of resources of that level, I would hire my own security detail, Whether the secret secret service liked it or not.
Speaker 2:That's what I would do but then that starts to get into like oh, it's too cheap to do.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think he probably no, I mean nothing is more expensive than your life about what you said about.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm really curious about that thing we were talking about a moment ago is like you know what what level of security did? Does there's a candidate deserve and if they're going to give it to robert kennedy jr, who really has no chance to win, right?
Speaker 3:so apparently, after you get the nomination, you get an additional layer, so the initial layers are the president again, what's he gonna get, you know, and what compared compared to what Kamala Harris is going to get. Kamala Harris will have time. Kamala already has some and now she will have. If she gets the nomination officially, she will get an additional level of security. He will get probably a nominal, especially now that they've only decided to do it after the fact.
Speaker 2:I think there will be more of kind of just a showy version of security which Well, I think this is an interesting thing because I wasn't really aware of the fact and I know more stuff than most people about this kind of stuff that there were tiers of protection.
Speaker 1:I mean, it makes sense, but I haven't really thought about it before but we know that the vice president has to have the top tier of security detail period. She's second in line to the presidency. I don't care if it's whoever we're talking about.
Speaker 2:The vice president should have full detail how much of my tax day pay his dollars have to go to protecting robert kennedy jr, who's completely out of his mind and has no chance to win the presidency.
Speaker 1:Well, he should just get detailed because of his family name, don't you think? I mean, doesn't this?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:I actually like RFK. I don't think that he has much of a chance either, but I basically liked the guy.
Speaker 2:You did a long story on him, Mike. Oh, I'm sure you did. I spent a week with the guy.
Speaker 3:Listen, I'm not voting for him. I'm not voting for him. I mean, when we're talking about the Bidens and the Clintons and these families and you're going to tell me somebody's corrupt or off the rocker.
Speaker 2:I didn't say he was corrupt, I said he was crazy.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, it sounds like a very negative outlook, but I'm not voting for the guy.
Speaker 2:I'm not voting for the guy.
Speaker 3:So I kind of like him, but I do think that he deserves Secret Service protection and I think he deserved it months and months and months ago when he asked for it numerous times, months and months and months ago, when he asked for it numerous times.
Speaker 2:I'm asking how much he's going to get?
Speaker 3:I don't think that much. I think they'll probably give him, like I said, I think they'll give him some nominal lower tier production. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just, it's just interesting in how they make these decisions, you know I mean, yeah, it is interesting I will say this when I didn't know that the vice president was coming into town. And I do my normal routine here in West Seattle where I live, and I'm, I'm going, I do my walk, I work out in the morning, I go for my daily walk, right, and I'm like God, there's a lot of police agencies around here.
Speaker 2:They were protecting you, Mario. They're picking you.
Speaker 1:They were not protecting me.
Speaker 2:They know that you're a major podcast holder and they were checking the route they were checking the route and I finally figured it out.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh. So I started reading everything and Kamala Harris was coming to West Seattle. I'm like, damn, she's coming to West Seattle. And sure enough, I saw the presidential detail, the motorcade, the whole, you know popping. Circumstance of her, you know pop and circumstance of her, you know, going by. It's not every day you get to see a candidate or well, or the vice president of the united states roll through your neighborhood. And sure, I was there. I was at. Finally, after she made her 20-minute campaign stop in west seattle, probably you know who knows whose house she stopped at, nor do I care.
Speaker 1:I saw the presidential motorcade go by and I waved, just like anybody else would do, I would think, but it just. I was like, oh, I'm proud of where they're driving by. And there she was, within a stone throw to me. I could see her. She was like from me to my camera. I mean, I could see her right there and I was like, wow, that's cool. It's not every day you get to see a presidential vice president go by your crib or your neighborhood. And that was cool, regardless if people like her or not, and she's still the vice president, just like if Pence was rolling through the neighborhood or Vance was coming through the crib, I'd probably wave too. I'm in for that kind of thing. I like the pop and circumstance of the elected office. I'm going to respect it, regardless on who's.
Speaker 2:That's the way I feel You've got to respect it, but gee whiz I mean giving taxpayers money to Robert Kennedy Jr is a little rough.
Speaker 3:I don't think. Listen, man, we give so much money away to things that we shouldn't Give the man some protection for God's sakes.
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% sure.
Speaker 1:He should get some type of protection.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you I don't think it's a huge amount of money. So I mean, protect the guy. I mean money.
Speaker 2:So I mean protect a guy, I mean it's, I don't think it's really that big a deal?
Speaker 1:I don't want to see he doesn't deserve to die, so you know, but nobody, really none of these people. We think that that's right, that's the way I feel I would have thought that in anyone to have an assassination attempt, it would have been like a obama or something like that. You know I.
Speaker 3:So I, when I said earlier, I, I, and I cannot confirm that that I know this for a fact, but I feel like I heard the other day that there were actually some attempts on um obama's life.
Speaker 2:It just it just didn't make it. I can't believe you're wrong about that.
Speaker 3:I I'm positive you're right, right I mean, I mean a lot of people do. You don't have to be, you don't have to be a president. I mean a lot of businessmen of stature, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have protection.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Armed guards, or however that plays out. I think we only hear about it when it goes drastically wrong, like what happened last weekend, and when it comes to, you know, like the assassination on a pope, which has happened, you know, yeah, like the assassination on a Pope, which has happened, you know yeah. And you look at, unfortunately, john Lennon, probably one of the, you know, biggest names in modern day history, to, you know, be assassinated, I mean.
Speaker 2:Was that the guy who did it? Because he read the Catcher in the Rye?
Speaker 3:That's a whole thing that we should do a story on. Because of Was he?
Speaker 2:trying to impress Josie Forster? That was the Rye. That's a whole thing that we should do a story on. Was he trying to impress Josie Forster? That was the Reagan guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was the Reagan guy. But both of those guys I think had read Catcher in the Rye. That's something you should look at. That's a whole other level of awareness.
Speaker 2:Catcher in the Rye was a big deal book for me. That was at 12 years old.
Speaker 1:I think our listeners are watching and listening via US Phenomenon. We have a couple on Twitch. Feel free to send your messages or comments. We'll take them as they come in and we know that there are some Trump supporters who listen to the show, which you would think that they would.
Speaker 2:I thought you were a right-wing show, Marion. What do you mean? You've got only a few Trump supporters. That's crazy. I feel like you have a lot of Trump supporters.
Speaker 1:They're probably out there.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I'm the only guy in the whole state of Mississippi that's not voting for Trump. I bet you'd be surprised.
Speaker 3:I think most of the urban centers, urban cities of any state have a lot of Democrats in them.
Speaker 2:Well, actually in Vicksburg it's like a blue spot.
Speaker 1:Michael, do you think they should give the day to allow people to vote? I guess that's my question to you.
Speaker 3:I think that you should have to show your ID 100%.
Speaker 1:You're in a state where you put your ballot in the mail, right?
Speaker 3:I'm in a state where you can do whatever you want. Karen Bass, who ran for mayor at the end of the day on the last race she was 18, 20,000 votes down and over the next two weeks, somehow, boom, she wins and beats Rick Caruso. It's ridiculous, man, Completely ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Would you rather go back to the poll? You'd rather go back to the poll and punch it in? Yes, I want a paper ballot. I want a paper ballot.
Speaker 3:I want a paper ballot and I want ID.
Speaker 1:But don't you already have all of it.
Speaker 2:You can do whatever you want to do, but you should give people a day off from work.
Speaker 3:I agree with that. I'm totally cool with that.
Speaker 2:The idea that you have to go to work and then try to fit this in makes it encouraging. If you're against mail-in ballots, that's one of the main reasons why people do it.
Speaker 3:They don't have time to go vote because they've got to work, but in our state we already only have like 20% of the people even voting and I'm sorry a lot of these people aren't working.
Speaker 2:That's a very sad thing 100%.
Speaker 3:It's sad. I have a friend who's an analyst. He has and this is one of the smartest people that I know, and he's not alone in this. It makes me very sad. He believes that voting is kind of completely fake now that's another show what Bill Cooper said about democracy.
Speaker 2:He said it was the first step towards socialism. So I never exactly understood why he said that.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure I understand that either.
Speaker 2:He was harping on that all the time, and I think what it means is he's really a kind of person that preferred a philosopher king, like a Platonic philosopher king, because it didn't make any sense. You know, I mean, a lot of people find a big difference between a republic and a democracy, two different things. But there's no reason why a republic can't be a democracy. But see, people seem to think it's an either or kind of situation which is one of these kind of pop, polyscientific, poli-sci kind of of thing which I don't really get. You know, you know anything about that, mike?
Speaker 3:it's a little bit complex for me. I hear that all the time. I just want people to go vote. Man, just show up and actually vote, and you know what? Put your name on it. I want to know that you're a real human being.
Speaker 2:So it's like your name on it. Huh huh, the secret ballot. Do you want to? Do you want to put your name on your ballot?
Speaker 3:No, no, no. When you walk in, I don't know what they do to you guys. When you walk in, they check you against.
Speaker 2:When you vote in New York, you have to sign your name. That's true.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So when I want that. That doesn't happen when you look.
Speaker 3:No, I'm saying I want that. I'm saying I want that. I'm saying I want a continuance of that. I want to know exactly that the people that are voting are legally voting. I want to know that they are citizens of the place that they say they're from and they're part of the system.
Speaker 2:Does that not make sense? No, I mean, I thought you were saying that people should have to sign their name. No, no, no, if that's what you guys thought that's not what I meant.
Speaker 3:But when you walk in, you have to they go. Okay, michael Parker, you live XXX and I'm like yeah, and then I can sign this, so I'm for that.
Speaker 2:I vote for the Communist Party. My name is Michael Parker.
Speaker 3:That wouldn't be such a good idea. You guys may not believe it. I voted Democrat, I voted green, I voted independent. I mean, I'm not even I'm registered Republican, so that what it was 8, 10, 12 years ago, I could vote for Ron Paul in a primary out here, which, at the time, you had to be of a particular party in order. It's changed since then and I would definitely say that I lean towards Republican, but I voted for all. I voted for people in most of the parties over my life.
Speaker 2:You know, I always I follow my father's advice. My father told me. I asked hey, dad, how come we're Democrats? You know, why are we? Why are we Democrats? He said well, there's really no very much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. They both take your dollar, but the Democrats give you a nickel change.
Speaker 1:And that's why we're democrats.
Speaker 2:So you know, I just I revere my old man, so I just keep doing it, you know I don't know if I'm right or not?
Speaker 1:here's what I will say I, I remember going back to the polls and we were talking about this and going back to the poll within within the last 17 years, uh, where I would go to my polling station, check my name, sign that I was get, and then get my ballot. You know, check me, you know whatever, sign my name, and then I go to the ballot box and then I, you know, do my thing, color my, my ballot with my, make sure my, my circles are nice, and then throw it in the machine, or whoever the ballot box, as they say, and off it goes. Now, someone who has been probably very naive in 2016, I was in Charleston. I saw a lot of people cry and I saw a lot of people waiting in line to vote and I was like this is wild to see people waiting in line to vote and I'm like why has this not changed everywhere? Why is there not a system?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, are you in favor of mandatory voting? I mean, I actually wouldn't mind. I'm not saying I'm going to sign up for this, I wouldn't mind. You have to show up. If you don't like any of the candidates, vote blank. You know what they call white in most European countries. You don't have to vote for one of these people that they put up, you just vote that you're abstaining from this process, from this process. The idea that you can just stay home and go oh, that was yesterday, oh, I'm so I messed up. You know that that that that is just bad for, uh, civics, it's a. It's a, it's a civic misfunction and it should be you agree?
Speaker 3:yes, I mean logically. You know, there people say, oh, you can't force people to vote and you'd be right. But from my heart I hear what you're saying and I do feel like it's. The least I can do is to actually take part the country's defending you against.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're doing a lot of stuff for you. At least you can do a show up for 15 minutes and mark the ballot. You know, if you don't like any of the candidates, just don't mark the ballot. That is just not that much to ask, you know.
Speaker 3:That's what I think, and a lot of people say well, michael, but you just gave me a ballot with all these people. I don't know who they are. They're like a judge on the second seat of this, that or the other thing, and they got it which that's, that's what I think. I mean I can't say that I know all these people, but I try to know a decent amount of what's on that ballot and I don't miss voting man. I go every single time.
Speaker 2:I mean I think of the country, regardless of how you feel about things like that. I mean the country is, like it's not in the best condition that it's been in in my lifetime Agreed, and the least that people could do would be show up to vote and, like you know, make their opinion heard. Show up to vote and make their opinion heard and actually listen to some other views on the other side, just to make sure that you're right, that they're stupid and trying to kill you and all kinds of stuff like that. People are just so lazy and it's really depressing.
Speaker 1:It is quite interesting when we talk about this the ageist thing, the sexist thing. I was very much against ageism. I will tell you that I was talking to my best friend about the situation about Biden and he said his dad, who is in his 80s, was he was. He was like I think he had a hard time with it. He's like we're going to have bad days.
Speaker 2:We're old, you know you can't have bad days when you're the president. The mandatory age for running for president should be very clear, should it change 70 years old, 70 years old, after you're 70, you cannot run for president.
Speaker 2:You can be president after you're 70, but make it 75 or do something. But it's got to be some level. I mean, it can't be like the heavyweight championship you can come in there, weigh 300 pounds on a big blubber ball. You know you got to look like an athlete, so, like you know you have to, and the Supreme Court is the same way, know. I mean, these guys have been on there forever. They haven't had a new idea in their head for 2,000 years and, like you know, you just have to shake the system up because either side, nobody's happy. People are unhappy, they're bitching about things and they gotta make some changes. It's true, guys, as we get close, to wrapping things up.
Speaker 1:we've definitely gone over and they've got to make some changes. It's true, guys, as we get close to wrapping things up, we've definitely gone over.
Speaker 2:We've been talking for hours, man hours.
Speaker 1:Hours, but you know what People are watching. They're enjoying it, good they're still watching.
Speaker 2:I can't believe that.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, yeah, when you've got two people going at each other's throats, it's always good to oh, mike, mike's great sparring partner.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I didn't, I didn't know that we would.
Speaker 1:I don't know that we would ever have this again. I I here's what I will say to have both you guys come on to take a stance. I think that it's always a heated debate and it will be, but it's. It's good to see that people can. I don't think to see two people disagree, but you guys still like each other.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, of course, because we're both social distortion fans.
Speaker 3:That's why. Punk rock, rock and roll man, you know there are deeper things than politics.
Speaker 1:I mean come on, at the end of the day, we're going to see an election unfold and I think we should do one more show. We do an election day show.
Speaker 3:Oh god, I'd love to see that hey, I didn't bring it up at the show, but I'll just tell you another thing, because this is a show that is rife for speculate. There was a lot of astrologers who told us that this thing was just going to happen this past week, and a lot of these I'm an astrology buff, and did it come from Karis? No, no thing was just going to happen this past week and a lot of these I'm an astrology buff and Did it come from Karis? No, no, no, no, no. And I'm not saying that because I don't think that she's viable. I'm just saying like it's something that I'm interested in, and a lot of people said that this was going to happen on the weekend, that it happened.
Speaker 2:For reasons that are. Huh. What happened to that lady astrologer?
Speaker 3:That's Karis.
Speaker 2:That's Karis, oh yeah, what happened to her? She's good.
Speaker 1:Well, republicans don't like her. Republicans don't like her, they didn't like her she's predicting the wrong thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, what is she saying? They didn't like her.
Speaker 1:Then there were people from the radio station, from the conservative radio station, that get a republican astrologer.
Speaker 2:I think it's a good she was she was most of the ones that I with you people, mike, you're just not, you're never satisfied no, most of the time I I like caris.
Speaker 3:No, most of the ones that I listen to, I used to manage. I used to manage 150 psychics, astrologers and mediums. You used to manage what? Do you mean, chloe, they were entertainers and they have agents and managers, just like everything else does, and so it's always been something that's been interesting, fantastic.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that about you.
Speaker 3:My point is that a lot of this stuff was basically predicted, and not just by a handful. This was seen. This was seen by a lot of people and for reasons that are more complex than I can even remember to explain, but it's just something that I enjoy, so maybe in the next, next one we might include something like that.
Speaker 2:That's fine with me.
Speaker 3:The more the merrier.
Speaker 1:Here's what I will say. We were getting a lot of feedback that, unfortunately, she's a great individual. Just the population who listens to this show just wasn't a fan of astrology. They didn't want to hear it anymore. So you have to change.
Speaker 2:Can't you get one of those guys who sells gold or something like that to come?
Speaker 1:on. But that's not like the other shows. We're not selling snake oil here. We don't do that. Here we don't sell the snake oil.
Speaker 2:No, snake oil, we don't deal with that. No one needs that, no one needs a little.
Speaker 1:you know a little. You know whatever pills and everything else Every five weeks. We're not doing that, not here Anyhow. Guys, I really appreciate your time. It's always good to have you guys come on and hang out and I think at the end of the day, someone's going to win this election. We just don't know whose party is going to win.
Speaker 2:Well, anybody want to put a little money on it?
Speaker 1:Do you want to? Should we? We make a friendly wager.
Speaker 2:I got to get odds, though If I'm taking Harris, I need a couple points.
Speaker 1:You think she's going to be the nominee though.
Speaker 2:Let's just say I'll take Harris now, without even knowing that she's the nominee, if you give me enough points.
Speaker 3:I don't think you need points. I don't think it's that on um.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's that's what I don't win, he's way ahead. I need some points, mike, come on.
Speaker 3:Okay, let me just let me just the reason. Let me just say this. So, um, I was doing this other show, um, and I was doing like three interviews a day. It was crazy. And when we had the last midterm, everybody was saying, oh, there's going to be a red wave. And I was like there's not going to be a red wave, and everybody's like you're nuts, that's not going to happen. I was like not going to be a red wave and there wasn't a red wave. So I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2:So you just told me, give me about two or three points.
Speaker 3:Well, no, look, I already said I think that she can win. What I'm telling you is you want me to?
Speaker 2:give you points. No, no, no, look, I don't, you guys.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to be what's the word? Coy. I don't know what's going to happen. What I'm trying to say is, I think, what happens over the next couple of months. We may not be dealing with the candidates who you think we're dealing with.
Speaker 2:I think, as I said at the beginning of the show, I think this is going to be one rump roller of a thing man, and what it looks like now it just might not even look like in two weeks, because that's been the history.
Speaker 2:That's been the history of the thing and there's no reason for it to stop now. I mean people want, I mean there's a kind of way that the power on Earth, you know, wants human beings to act. You know, in a certain kind of way it's the way prophetic kind of literature works. So I think that what the beast, the social beast of the computer thing, also in the internet, it wants change, it demands new stuff. So therefore it's going to get it, there's going to be more changes.
Speaker 3:Let me just throw one more wrench in the machine. What if Harris becomes president without winning the election? Meaning, what if something happens like immediately? We're like, no, if you're going to step away from the race, well then, why are you good enough, why are you competent enough to remain president? So I'm telling you, man, all bets are off. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm saying there's a possibility Harris could be president before the election.
Speaker 2:You can't become the president like that way, can you? I?
Speaker 1:mean I, if he steps up right.
Speaker 3:Rules don't really seem to be that important anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, no, no, you got it, we're just making it up on that. We're making it up on the fly now, just just for, just for just if he stepped away you've got Fifth Amendment and the Congress has got to vote on it and that's not going to happen. So therefore, I hear you.
Speaker 3:I hear you and I hope that we stick to rules. I'm just saying Put it out there. I don't even want to say this what if he dies?
Speaker 1:Well then, she becomes president, exactly that would be the same if that happened to Trump, right.
Speaker 2:That's against Harris. That would be like you know who's going to win that one. You know, if Trump dies, does Harris remain the vice presidential candidate? Does he move up to the top of the ticket? That's a question. You mean if Biden dies? No, I'm talking about if Trump dies. He's an old guy too, you know he does not have that much to share.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying that Harris could be president before the election if Biden were to pass away.
Speaker 1:Right. But that's the transition of power, right. That's just happening.
Speaker 3:Right. So I'm just saying it's interesting, it's one of those things that's quite obvious that you don't necessarily think of If he dies.
Speaker 2:If he dies, yes, that would be weird, but if he's too infirm, I don't know they're not getting involved.
Speaker 1:There must be precedent.
Speaker 2:No one's been poking the 25th Amendment there must be precedent.
Speaker 3:But I'm telling you those conversations.
Speaker 2:Rafa Delano Roosevelt was not competent to read Agreed, and those conversations are happening.
Speaker 3:I don't think that will happen. I'm just saying it's not completely impossible. There you go.
Speaker 2:That it's not completely impossible. There you go. That could be the next wrinkle, you know Right.
Speaker 3:If they were to let's say which would make her an incumbent in the race.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's already been the president now, so it looks different.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Who is that good for? Is that good for the demos or the Republicans?
Speaker 3:I think it's always good for whoever the incumbent is. It's their race to lose and, like I say, this is just speculation. I don't want him to die, I don't want Biden to pass away. I'm just saying it's not completely out of the question.
Speaker 1:Here's some poll numbers right here from you know, if we want to look at these, I don't know if we think that this is even a chance of and of well, no, it's not a big surprise.
Speaker 2:Trump is up on everything, right?
Speaker 1:I think it depends on which poll you see, though yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the whole trick, that's the whole trick to polls man, I don't really put a great deal of stock in polls, for that very reason but I mean, I think that there are some polls that are more credible than others.
Speaker 2:Well, the Rasmussen one, I notice, is just always pro-Republican, and then the Quinnipiac one seems to always be pro-Democrats. They have better numbers, you know. So, like, who knows how they do these things? I'm sure they're not, you know. I like to believe it's on the level, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:You guys I never get. My wife said one time she goes why don't we ever get asked for polls? I get things on my phone saying, hey, I'm with so-and-so. Would you like to, you know, tell us how you feel about this California issue? Like I'm afraid to answer it because I never got asked by any poll about anything until the last couple of years, and now it's on my phone so I don't ever want to click it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I get, I get them all the time. Now it's like what the hell? So at the end of the day I mean this story, as you were saying earlier, mark, about how the chapters are being written can change drastically. I mean the news cycle.
Speaker 2:I mean, like you know, I used to be a screenwriter for a living. I mean, you know you can always come up with more plot.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just, it's like there's always more plot, joe rogan was talking about the assassination thing just a couple of days ago. I'm driving and he was talking to some guests. I think it was a comedian or something. But he was basically saying it's like if this was a movie I'd turn it off because it would just be too far-fetched. You know just the amount, you know it's like.
Speaker 2:it's like you can see it coming. It's like just past the first act, the first turning point Trump getting assassinated. That's the end of the first act. Now we got this new thing. You got something, you got a problem. There's this new episode. It's a new episode. Now let's just see how this plays out. It's like playing pool. You got to lay yourself a shot for the next episode so you can make the next shot. You don't want to leave your ball out in the middle of nowhere where you can't make the shot. We'll see how it goes. I'm available anytime you guys want to talk.
Speaker 1:You're a good man.
Speaker 3:Mark.
Speaker 1:I really appreciate it. It's always fun to have you guys talk in BS and go over which conspiracy theory may be of the du jour these days, and I mean to have to have out there for both sides of the fence. I think this Change, the news cycle and elections will be going moving forward, which is super unfortunate because I didn't think that this would ever be ever become a thing.
Speaker 2:It's a thing, it's a totally a thing. Well, luckily, uh luckily, both mike and I are experts on this kind of thing, and we still don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:The only thing I would also say is like in the future, man, I want to get to a place where we don't call this conspiracy theory anymore, because to me it's just like we're critically assessing facts based on something, however improbable another person thinks it is. I hate that term. I hear it all the time and I'm not picking on you, mario, it's just I hate.
Speaker 2:It's just alternative thinking. It's just for me it's pattern recognition, after you've seen, after you've seen things enough times.
Speaker 3:You're just like okay, I've seen that before, that means this is gonna happen and who, who.
Speaker 2:Who is the person that makes up the so-called major story? Anyhow, it's just a bunch of bozos on tv so like you, know, uh, and then when you think of something else and amazingly, a conspiracy theory that you have a different viewpoint on something like that. You're not falling into line.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, screw them, but anyway, we want to think, mark you, you, you, I mean you studied and wrote a book about probably the biggest conspiracy theorist of all time.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean well, it doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you said I don't I find him an interesting person, very interesting individual, and to think that, uh, that this book still is, you know, being read by, you know, people of color and people who, you know, sometimes don't always think with the right head, you know. I mean, there's some, there's some crazy stuff in that book.
Speaker 2:I mean that book you're saying that book, that I wrote this crazy stuff in there. How can?
Speaker 1:your book no.
Speaker 3:The other book no not the book that the book was based on oh, and when the and the and the, behold the pale horse.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what makes it interesting. It's really off the hook man. Yeah, but I think a lot of people believe it.
Speaker 3:So, therefore, it's really, it's really off the hook man.
Speaker 2:That's what I think. A lot of people believe it. So, therefore, it's really, it's what people believe, that, at the end of the day, what people believe is really what you got to pay attention to on that note.
Speaker 1:Any last parting words Michael Parker.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go eat some dinner, but I've enjoyed the conversation and, like I say, I really don't want anybody to be hurt, so I hope that the Secret Service sorts out their issues. I hope that I'm wrong about everything we discussed and it was a terrible thing that happened and it will not happen again, because whether I like a person or not, I don't want anyone being hurt by this process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it should not be happy absolutely not all right.
Speaker 2:Well, guys, it's been a fun, it's been fun it's always been fun.
Speaker 3:Thanks, guys appreciate it, we'll talk to you guys good night you guys, good night bye.
