192: Burlington Cops Scare Kids, Felons to Farmers and a Saint Albans Sandwich Thief

On this week’s show:

• Happy National VCR Day
• Bennington County Senator Dick Sears has died at 81 - VTDigger
• Burlington cops scare high schoolers w/ fake shooting
• Vermont ACLU takes Essex County Sheriff’s Department to court in public 
• VT Christian Alliance allege they are discriminated against due to LGBTQ protections for foster kids
• Beta reports full test flight of vertical takeoff prototype 
• Wreck of 1971 plane crash discovered in Lake Champlain 
• 84-year-old man rescued from glider crash
• 25K Vermonters lose internet
• Burlington repeat offender takes plea deal on federal robbery charges 
• I-89 study focuses on South Burlington exit 

(1:00:07) Break music: Kate Kush - “False Cry”

https://katekushmusic.bandcamp.com/track/false-cry 

• Burlington garden club honors found member with bench
• A Developer's Storm Cleanup Crossed Into a Burlington Park
• Archaeological dig at old psychiatric hospital
• Vermont reports lowest fertility rate in the US amid national decline -
• Topsham student sues after denied scholarship
• Costco hot  dog price stays firm
•  Darn Tough is wrestling with ‘rampant’ social media  scams.

(2:00:53)  Break music: FOZ - “Sense of Imperfection”

https://foz-music.bandcamp.com/track/sense-of-imperfection  

• Scumbag Map 
• Lawnmower thief
• Serial Killer - thousands of remains
•  Shelburne drug trafficking
• Deadly police chase through Colchester
•  Stolen dump truck
• Wallingford man seriously beaten
• High-speed chase ends in crash, driver threatens police with hammer 
•  Breakfast sandwich thief in Saint Albans
• Bear freed from stuck jug

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What's up, Vermont? First off, sorry about not uploading that last show to Facebook until a couple days ago. If you want to fix that, you can always subscribe. On this week'show, we have a staged high school shooting, we wonder where we're going to get Jetson abilities, Glo's idea from Felons to Farmers, spiritual fellatio, another Pepsi Joe story, a breakfast sandwich victim, the scumbag map, and so much more. It's time to get caught up. You never know what'll get wrong. Pretty much anything can happen. Every single town in the Green Mountain State is covered and smothered like a Waffle House plate. Kick back, relax, and put us in your ears like VPR with a couple of beers. Get caught up. Welcome to Vermont Ketchup with Matt. I'm Matt. Glow. I'm Glow. And I'm Adam. and we are a weekly rundown of everything happening all over the Green Mountain State. Happy National VCR Day. He finally got rid of ours. What were you holding onto it for? I don't know. Well, he had a bunch of VHS. That's pornos. Yeah, that's my porno. Yeah, some old. Some of those classics you gotta keep. Yeah, Around the World in 80 Ways. That rolled off the tongue a little too quickly I don't need to be a fake name. That was a joke, I think from Mad Magazine. I had some old VCRs, but we hadn't watched them in years. I don't even have a DVD player. We do, we still have ours. We haven't used ours in years. Do you have a DVD collection? Not really. I got rid of most of them, I think I have a couple. I've got a Quentin Tarantino perspective. Like a box set kind of thing? Yeah, a box set. I have a... The cat movie. Oh, Rhubarb. Rhubarb, Jesus Christ. Orangy. Orangy. The Orangy Criterion Collection. For those unaware, Orangy is a movie about... No, I'm sorry, Rhubarb is a movie starring Orangy, the cat, who was a very famous cat actor in his day. and in this movie he inherits the New York Yankees? That's a New York team. Yeah, a New York team. And hilarity ensues. Yes, with Ray Milan. Orangey was also in The Diary of Anne Frank and Breakfast at Tiffany's. Very famous cat. Yeah, I mean. Two time winner of the Animal Award. Yeah, they should call them the Orangey Awards. That's right. Anyways, did you ever own a VHS? Oh, yeah, we had a VCR. Like many dads of my dad's generation, he was a psychopath. And so he would record things from TV and somehow record other movies. So were like bootleg family. I guess that's where I got it from. Because when I was 20, I had all these bootleg CDs. I'm just like, I don't know, it's totally like- Raised to be a bootlegger. Total trash people. But yeah, I remember he would have old MASH episodes, just random stuff from TV. All the Rockies, just VHS bootlegs. Gotta have those. Old UFC fights when it was like Tank Abbott versus like the original Gracie, you know, it was like that, when it was like in a dark basement and yeah, like all that stuff. Yeah, I used to love going to like Blockbuster. Yeah. That's like the best, like Friday night, like. You and everybody else is there Friday night. Yeah, yeah. You're like, oh, they're all out of this. Let's wait, maybe someone's gonna return it. Yeah, it was like waterfront video here. Yeah. It was actually at the waterfront, right on the tracks, pretty much. But then they moved to where, well, where Chroma Optics is now, next to the post office. And then they were non-existent. Did they have a good staff picks section? Oh, they had the local nerds that worked there. Nice. That's what you need. Yeah, yeah. The local movie nerd. You could go in and talk to any of them about anything. You know, I was always in the, you know, the foreign films and, you know, stuff, you know, the other ones, most of it, I could care less, but, you know, yeah, they were good. A lot better than Blockbuster. Blockbuster had its place. I mean, yeah, like, I mean, look, I'm from a small town in Florida. We had one, it was Blockbuster. There wasn't any competitor. And you know, the guys in there were, I don't know, they weren't like, maybe you could walk in there and have a conversation with them, but like, they just didn't have a giant weird selection. But they did have some weird stuff, like a lot of obscure horror movies. Yeah, those are huge. Like Robot Ninja. I bet you people rent the shit out of that stuff. I never, it never interested me at all. That's what me and my brother would gravitate towards. It's always like, we go right to the horror, and we find like, we're like, no Nightmare on Elm Street. I want the weirdest one. Like, I don't want Troll. I want like, Hobgoblin. You know, like, I want like the offshoot. That's what we'd watch. I've never seen any of those movies. What about you, Flo? Yeah, what about me? Did you ever go to, you went to Waterfront, didn't you? Mostly because of you, yeah. But before that, the Savoy Theater down below, They had, and I used to sometimes rent movies from there, which again are very avant-garde, you know, different kind of videos you can't find. It was smaller than most places, but it had a good selection. Savoy Theater? You rent movies from a theater? It was both. They had a movie theater and then they also had the video store next to it. Now it's just a movie theater, I believe. Well, they got flooded out so many times, so it's probably not a good idea. One of the most uncomfortable movie theaters you've ever been in. Oh my gosh, yeah. There was not much of a pitch. Wooden chairs, and there was hardly any pitch, you know. And you know, it's the kind of movie theater that's going to show the kind of movies that attract people who have no concern of others, who don'think, you know. And they'll just come in 10 minutes late. After I finally found that seat that I can see a sliver of this screen and sit right in front of me. Marge Simpson. But it was like a big hairdo or something. Yeah, it wasn't a very, the only reason anybody went there because they showed, you know, they were the go-to place in central Vermont to watch foreign films and independent films. We don't have anything like that now, right? I mean, the Flynn doesn't really do that. And it's never, since I've been here, the Flynn is rarely, they show like maybe ski movies or something like that, you know. My friend Mark sponsors. Oh, well. You know. But why isn'there like a place that shows like really obscure movies? It used to be. The Nickelodeon, well, it was, it's the one downtown now. That's what it used to be. That was the place, because they had these other places. They had the Palace Nine, and they had the place up in North Burlington, that little place. Yeah, the dollar one. It was really cheap. I had to come all the way from Middlesex just to come see movies here. Yeah. But they tore it down. It's where the Hannaford's is, in that kind of parking. I mean, in that shopping center thing. Yeah, I think it's a hardware store now, Ace Hardware. We used to have a place in my hometown. Sorry, Glo. No, they actually tore it down. Oh, I know that, but right there is it. That's okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead He's a place in my hometown that They would get movies like later I don't know what the rule was but like six weeks or a month or whatever out of it being released They would get it for a cheaper price. So it'd be like a $2 movie. It's like in the 90s But like you had proper tables with like leather chairs and the waitresses would come in So like, you know, we're like a burger and like a coke and wow, great. And this was where this is this place called Maxis in Titusville, Florida. In 1995, that's where I saw Pulp Fiction. Oh, cool. Hmm. And a bunch of other stuff. Yeah, that model never really caught on, did it? I don't I guess not. I guess it's not a moneymaker. I guess you probably need like a pretty sizable audience. Well, yeah, I would say if you're if you're acting like a restaurant, like serving food and stuff, You want to turn the tables more than once. Now you got people sitting there for two and a half hours watching a movie or something. I don't know if they're drinking, that's another thing. They serve beer. I was never old enough to drink beer before they closed. My dad loved it. It was the only place he would go because he could drink beer. He was like, if I'm going to sit somewhere for two hours, I need to at least have three, four beers. You know, like, oh my God. Well, anyway, the bygone days of movie theaters and VCRs. I mean, now, like, remember, like, you walk in the aisles, you're taking a chance, you're like, I don't know, you're picking up the movie, you're looking on the back, you're like, ah. It's a gamble. Yeah, it's a big, now it's like, you just think of a Netflix preview, and you're like, start it, you're like, eh, not this one. Or the algorithm brings everything towards you. I don't know, man. It's just awesome. It's not the same. Yeah. Happy National VCR Day, RIP. Speaking of RIP, we lost another one. Another guy who stepped down has now passed. The guy we talked about a couple of weeks ago, after Mazda and Sears both decided to step down. Now they're both dead. Oh, man. So they knew. Yeah. What did he die of? I don't know. Oh, the cause of death was not given. That was a tasteless joke. I take that back. I wonder what it was. I guess you don't have to release it, right? Yeah, it's just that he died over the weekend, according to a statement from Senate President Phil Baruth. So the family didn't even announce it. The state is the Senate. Whatever this Grim Reaper is, Phil Baruth, you're next. Yeah, right, like, this is his final destination, like, you better just, like, if you're on the road behind a truck with some loose lumber, you better get in the lane, buddy. Yeah, you better watch it. Yeah, you don't retire, that's the, yeah, Mazza had pancreatic cancer, so I think that was... Yeah, god, man, that's like the worst one. Yeah, I think that's the highest death rate. It'so fast. Yeah. Right? Usually very fast. Which is so ironic, because does the pancreas even do anything? I don't even know. The endocrinologist is always checking mine. What does it do? Well, you're a doctor. Me? What? What does the pancreas do? The pancreas? Yeah. It secretes enzymes. What kind of enzymes? Well, digestive. Exactly which ones, I can't remember. but and I think is that I think that's it I think well definitely has to do with digestion mm-hmm no you're right it has two major functions digestion you nailed that and the endocrine system You always forget about the endocrine system. One of the endocrinologists is always checking mine. That's his job. I'm just going to look under the hood here. That makes sense. All right. I thought you were going to actually say Brian Searles. Well, I was going to mention my friend Brian Searles passed away. I read today on Facebook of leukemia. Now, you don't know who Brian Searles was, but he did just about everything in this area. He was, uh, he ran the airport for a few years, did a great job. Uh, he was, of all the airport people that I worked for in the 15 years I was there, he was the only one to ever come down and ask me, so what's going on? What do you hear? Anything? Any complaints? Nobody else ever asked me a damn thing. I'm the one that sees everything. You know, but he was a really great guy. Um, he was also police chief of South Burlington once. What do you mean once? Well, he did a lot of jobs. I think he was the town manager of Colchester or someplace for a while. But he also was a detective. And helped solve one of the biggest cases in Vermont history was these two young girls who were taking a shortcut over an Essex junction. And they were attacked and one died. They were raped. and it was, you know, so it was like, yes, this junction in Vermont, you know, kind of thing. And it turned out the kids that did it were 15 and 16. Oh, my God. And one of the things I read, there's a book called The End of Innocence about this story, it's really good, but he was telling me that he went to one of the boys where the boys lived, and the father, you know, they had a warrant, or they were just, no, the father said, you can look around, you know. He's looking around, they see this area down in the basement that's locked up, it's caged, it's a cage kind of thing. And there's all sorts of, like, movie equipment and stuff in there. So he says, can I look in there? And the guy says, no. The father of one of the kids. So they got a warrant, opened it up, And it turned out that the father was molesting his daughter and filming it. Oh my god. It's really crazy. But this is all, you know, in the Burlington, Vermont area in the 70s, I believe it was. So it was like this wake-up call. Did all his neighbors think he was just the nicest person? I don'think so. No, I don'think so. Well, there's quite a gap between he's a little bit gruff and he films himself molesting his daughter, right? Yeah, yeah. And he worked at that bakery down there on Riverside, the one that closed a couple of years ago. Oh, what is it? The King something? I can't remember. King, not King Arthur, that'still. Anyways. Coffee cup. Coffee cup, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he worked down there. でも素晴らしい読み方だし 素晴らしい読み方だし そうだっていうことがありません 70年代の映画は 最終的に素晴らしいタイトルだと思う 全てが壊れてしまった 戦争から戻ってきた人たちが 全て壊れてしまった 全てが壊れてしまった actually like caring about people who couldn't hack it you know like we kind of ignored them and just like that and everything just got worse and worse and that's when serial killers started popping up right I mean a lot of them and then there's this political was with you know Dick Nixon and what in this you know his vice president and all that stuff it's just like you know the The president had to resign for the first time in his mid-70s, yeah, as everything came crashing down. And, in my opinion, the 70s, as far as art, is the best movie decade of all, is the 70s. Well, we got that going for it. Anyways, Brian was a wonderful human being. He died of leukemia. He didn't know he was sick. I noticed he'd been traveling around the world lately and was in Morocco on a camel. Yeah, so then he's a picture with his brother who I need to call because his brother worked for me. So anyways, we're gonna miss him. Yeah, did a lot for the state, a lot for the area. Seems like he is a dude that like if you were flipping through the old picture book of Vermont history, he'd be popping up on lots of pages. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think he ran the Vermont Police Academy for a while too. Yeah, great guy. Gonna miss him. I just saw him every few years, but he was always very congenial. I don'totally know what leukemia is, but everyone says it. I'm like, is that cancer? Is it not cancer? It is cancer. Why is it called leukemia? What's different about it? It's blood cancer. Oh, okay. Now I know why they call it leukemia. Fuck. Yeah. I mean, you'really screwed, right? It's kind of circulating around in your body. It's not just sitting in one place. Yeah, that's a tough one. Hey, yeah. You can't just cut it away. No, bad blood is not a good... Speaking of cops. Yeah. This, is this national news? It should be. It's gotta be. This is satire. Like what, like, so Glow, I'm sure you did not read this. That's not a shout at you, just an assumption. So a bunch of high school students were at the Burlington police office on Wednesday and they were like, what is this class? It's like a forensics class. So they're going to look like, look how things are really done. And the cops wanted to make a point about how witness testimony is notoriously fallible. Yeah, some of the worst evidence you can have. Yeah. So there's many ways you might do that, right? You might show them something and then ask them and see how things change. And that would be one way to do it. They took a different approach. They actually shot up near. They busted into the room a masked person with guns, told everyone to get on the ground, and started firing. No. Yeah. Real bullets? No. Yeah. Right, Glo. So, the ex was in the- She had three kids. But, it showed them. You know, the ones that live learn a valuable lesson. Keep your head down. Right. And so there's these quotes, these are high school students, right? There's quotes in the story of like, I was reaching for my cell phone to call my mom to tell her goodbye, you know, things like that. And the kid said, we only realized it wasn't real when the cops weren't doing anything. Which I would say. I don't know about that. Have you heard of W. Baldy? That might be the most real thing. Oh my god. Yeah, the mayor's not happy about it. Who's in the meeting who's like, I have an idea. So we've got these kids coming, what should we do? What if we, you know, simulated a shooting? And everyone's like, yeah, cool. Tell me more, Ted. So we use real guns? No, no. But we have fake ones that look real. Okay, Burlington School District officials confirmed the demonstration occurred saying in a statement in seven days, that teachers knew officers might demonstrate a gunshot-related crime, but not that it would be without warning. Wait, is this supposed to be a demonstration and like, improv, you know? The warning is somebody kicking the door down. Get out the fucking maggots! Oh my god, what was the purpose of doing this? So that they'll never again look, you know, want... That somehow is going to keep them from crime? No, no. These are not like juvenile delinquents, these are actually like kids who are doing really well They're trying to show them about forensics It's a forensics class Oh, okay Yeah, this isn't scared straight Right No, I think you were right, you hit the nail on the head Keep your head down They don't have to worry about identifying anybody, because you didn't see anything. The incident unfolded during a friend's class offered through Burlington High School's annual year-end studies program. Roughly 20 students in attendance were told that they would tour the police department and see a presentation on how detectives solve crimes. Oh my god. Police chief was away at a conference when this happened. Of course. Really? Let's meet the genius who came up with this. I mean, at least three people were involved and none of them were like, I don't know, like, no one even paused. Wow. That's a mindset. So I guess my question is, was, what were they supposed to learn from this experience? Because of the way they reacted to this? So, don't expect witnesses to then know because they probably shat their pants and just didn't want to admit to it or something. Just telling them, at the end of it, they'll go, so what do you remember? Yeah, I think that's kind of my question. It's like, they run in and do this, then do they run out? And then like, okay guys, turn on the lights, everything's a joke, so what'd you see? What do you remember? What do you remember? kind of thing. And they all might have a different opinion. Now that would be the reason to do something so... You know, I'd say maybe not kosher, but... There's another layer here, which is like something that I don't often think about. These students have been doing active shooter drills their entire lives. Right. You know what I mean? So this is like a real thing that they think about that's like brought to their attention, you know what I mean? So are these students who want to become police? No, no, they have them in schools. Any student in school, we used to do fire alarms. Yeah. They do alarms for an active shooter. Oh, really? Yeah, like, okay, let's pretend there's a shooter in the classroom, what do you do? Like, they have to like do those things. Oh, man, see, I did not know what you were talking about because we did not experience this. Man, we just had to get under a desk for the nuclear fallout. It worked, you made it. It took you about five seconds. Okay, everybody up. You're all dead. No, under the desk. Get under the desk. That's gonna save you. Wow, this will be a little more interesting as this story moves along. Someone's going to get thrown under the bus here. I don't know who it's going to be. Well, the problem was that the mayor got some shit from some of the progressives for keeping the police chief on, and then this happens. Now, did he know anything about it? If he did, then... It's bad either way. Yeah, it is. Did you know about it? You have no idea what your people are doing? Neither one's good. I was away! I was at a conference. I don'think they came up with this in an hour. This is, this is, yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Okay. Doesn'this seem like an episode of The Office? Yes. Yeah, it does. It's insane. This is something Mike would have, Michael would come up with. And think it was a good idea. Yeah, that's how crazy this seems. And then people just did it. It's insane that this happened. All right, speaking of cops, Vermont ACLU ACLU is suing Essex County Sheriff's Department's over public records specifically Sheriff Trevor Colby. Yeah, I guess he's been helping the Border Patrol people. He's not supposed to. By helping them, you mean if he pulls over someone who looks non-white, he asks for their papers and wants to deport them. Right. Yeah. So, that's pretty much... And so, the ACLU is alleging that this violates Vermont's fair and impartial policing policy. Didn't know we had that. Whatever that means. Well, I think it means you can't say, Show me your papers. This guy's on board. And so ACLU is especially pissed off because they're asking for records and he'saying like, Well yeah, come to my office and you can look at them, you have to inspect them, and then I can send them to you. I don'think this fella's very clear on how the internet works. You have to bring your mimeographer down and make copies. Whatever those things that we used to have. That's Essex. It's the northeast kingdom. The northeast kingdom. Essex. North northeast? Yeah, it's the northeastern part of Vermont. Derby. Essex? County. Oh, county. Yeah. Okay. What did he say? He said, um... He said like, uh, he said in another story that he would likely call immigration authorities after a traffic stop if he thought the people in the car were undocumented. I don'think he's, you know, picking up that phone for people from Quebec. No, he's probably not even stopping people from Quebec. Probably not. And he said that other federal agencies don't want him to reveal these documents, he wouldn't say who they are. He's like, being very weird and coy about it. Well, he's gonna end up in federal court, with a sheriff's in the state or something, aren'they? It's almost like to be a sheriff, you have to be a certain kind of person. And maybe sometimes that works. Maybe that's the person you want, like, in some situations. But there needs to be like different, the cop duties need to be different. Like if you want to be essentially a soldier, that's one thing. But if you're just like, patrolling, day to day, I don't know, like, you should be more like a retired school teacher or something. I need something to chill. Yeah, don't be an asshole. Alright, speaking of assholes, the alliance defending freedom. Anytime I hear an organization with the word freedom in it, I automatically know that it's the exact opposite. Yeah, right wingers have made me hate two things, the American flag and the word freedom. Yes. Yeah, especially this, whenever it'so over the top with the name, you know it's the exact opposite of what it intends. First of all, the alliance, okay, that's obviously some weird, overly militaristic bullshit. We're the alliance, and we are defending freedom. So, you might not guess this from the name, Glo, but basically it's just a bunch of Christian assholes who hate gay kids. Okay, that's most of them. Pretty much any Christian. No, no. But yeah, a certain kind. Yeah, I think this is kind of one of those organizations that they go around the United States and sue, put lawsuits in. of this kind of shit. Yeah, you put in a lawsuit, you know you're going to lose, in a state like Vermont, you go on Fox News, you get people all riled up, you lose, you get people riled up about that, people give you money, because they're like, oh, look at this alliance, that's like, money, freedom to discriminate against gay people. Just another grift. They're all grifts. What if the freedom was to just be a gay person? Right, be a gay kid in a foster home, you know? What if that was the freedom? I don't know. It's just a different perspective. So essentially, Glo, they are pissed off because Vermont has rules about who can be a foster parent. Specifically, you can't... You're supposed to respect the choices of your foster kid regarding their sexual orientation and identity. And if you can't do that then you shouldn't be a foster. I totally get that. These are the most vulnerable kids we have and you're going to set them up with these assholes? Also like a bunch of religious people like fostering a bunch of kids, because they foster a lot it sounds like in the story. We're getting on a weird, how big is your house kind of question. What's that cage in your basement all about with the videos of course set up? This could be a grift, you know? I think it's just such a weird Christian nationalist thing to like make this new crop of Christian nationalists. Not like you'd think it was the Hitler Youth, you know? Yeah. Wow. What was that movie with the Hitler Youth who had like Hitler as his imaginary friend? Oh, Jojo the Rabbit? Yeah, I like that. Yeah, we watch it. It'sad too. Yeah, and his mom. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I liked it. What Tiki or whatever his name is Taiko white TT Yeah, I liked it drink. Yes Make it a double no umbrella. Um, yeah, so hopefully these people lose but Christian assholes being Christian assholes now Christians Russell's no, but all assholes are Christians That's not true. There's probably a couple of dickheads. I've met a couple of asshole Buddhists. They won'talk to me. Alright, moving on. Beta, of this next segment, Glo, this is the week in aviation. You know, the thing we do every week. Matt, Beta, do you have any thoughts on this story about Beta? Well, we've been following these guys all along and they just made a successful of just like flying like straight up it looks like a helicopter was that the what they were supposed to do? no it actually was a submarine they just really missed the mark I know I didn't do what it'supposed to do but find out how it happened because that was beautiful It's like Viagra was an accident, right? It's like, well, you didn't fix the blood problem, but look at that wiener. Yeah, so different kind of lift off. Yeah, so GLOW, it's like just lifting straight up. So there's no runway needed. So it's a helicopter and a plane combined? I don'think it will fly very far as a helicopter. It just gets you off the ground, I guess. Vertical take off and landing. So once you go up, you're cruising like a plane, but then when you stop, you kind of just go down. So imagine a future, a dystopian future, where we all live in skyscrapers and these things are on the top of our skyscrapers, so we don't need a runway. We can just get in and go up and kind of jets in around the city. Right? You said jets in? Yeah. I was thinking that. Is this a verb? Did that come before or after the cartoon? This technology? No, the Jetsons. You used the word Jetson? No, I don'think most people are using Jetson as a verb. I just used it. Oh, I see. Probably first time ever. Yeah, recorded history. Better record it now, right? It's recording. I hope I don't actually delete this one. Well, good for them. I mean, they're a growing company here in Burlington. Yeah, I feel like we're rooting for them. Totally, but when do they become evil? I don't know. I think they got a couple years and then it's like, uh-oh. Look what Beta's doing. Yeah, who knows. Yeah. All right. At some point. We like them so far. Another aviation story. Chloe, you remember the wreck in 1971? No. Okay. Love the honesty. I didn't either. I had to think back. Where was, 1971. Oh yeah, I was a freshman in high school. You probably weren't really up on Vermont playing Rex. No. Yeah. Fair. Matt, were you aware of this before you? I wasn't, no. But I thought it was interesting that they found this. Because how many people died? It was all five people, got lost in a snowstorm, took off from Burlington to Providence. They didn't get very far. I'mad. No, because the way my mind works, I have kind of dyslexia and I flip words. I thought they were flying from Providence to Burlington. That's how I read it the first time. But now I realize, oh, no, they just, they took off, they crashed pretty soon after takeoff. If you're flying Berlin or Providence, why would you be over Lake Champlain? I don't know. Get that curve? Maybe that's, I mean, yeah, that's what they do. I mean, they come in that way. Right, okay. You know, maybe the, back then the airport was completely different and they came in, you know, maybe they took off from south to north. Maybe after this crash, they were like, Let'stop doing it this way. Yeah. But, um... That's a small plane, right? Yeah, it's the one pictured there. It's not a commercial plane, right? No, no. It's almost like a Learjet thing. I have a friend who's an air... I think I've said this on the podcast. He's an air traffic controller, and last time I was in Florida, like last Christmas, were having some beers, and he's like, dude, just promise me you will never get on, like, a 12-seater plane, or a 12-seater or less. don't get on a plane. Really? I was like, why? He's like, they crash all the time. All the time, they crash. You serious? Yeah, he's like, they crash all the time. What was the size of the planes that used to go from here, Burlington, to Boston? They probably had 15 to 20. OK. Or 20, I don't know, yeah. But I think his distinction was, is it a private thing, or is it American Airlines? I see, OK. You know, like that, the Boston, here to Boston was probably a commercial, right? It's not like some dude. Yeah, it was Cape Air or something, out of Cape Cod or Nantucket, one of those places. So, never get on a small plane. Nah, I never will. Unless I'm like, you know, somehow super wealthy. Then I'm like, where'd I get that guy? Yeah, so they found these remains, yeah, not much to the story, it's Channel 3. The exact location of the site will remain confidential. Well, it's in the lake, right? Yeah. It's a big lake. It's not that big, though. It ain't. It is. It's not great. It's not great. It's right on the cusp of great. It's the sixth largest lake in the country. It's bigger than Okeechobee? Yes. It's not hard to believe. Okeechobee shrunk over the years. Okeechobee used to be one of the great lakes. What South Florida's done to that. All right, and our last aviation story, an 84 year old Vermont man was rescued in a tree after his glider crashed in Benton, New Hampshire. Wow. I have some questions. I mean, he's 84 and he'still gliding? Well, not very well. How far did he get? He went from Tunbridge to, no wait, where did he take off from? Post Mills, Vermont to Benton, New Hampshire. Don't have any clue. What is a glider? I think you're, I don't know, you strap some wings onto you and. Onto you? There's no engine, I think you're depending on air currents and hoping for the best. 45 minutes by car. What? Say that again? It's 45 minutes by car from Post Mills to Benton. We might have went right through there. Because on our last time were in that area, we took the kind of weird way over to New Hampshire. Yeah, that was fun. Of course, you were driving. They found this guy in a tree. He's hanging out in a tree. He had his phone, so he called 911. It's like, location, tree. Can you be more specific? No. Tall tree? Well, I'm not in Post Mills. Took him two hours to find him. Well, I mean, baby doesn't know exactly where he is. I'm in a tree. Could you scream for us? Wow. But yeah, what is a glider? That looks like a little bit more than just what I envisioned. So, does it not have an engine? It must have an engine. I've been in a glider. Why does it get up? Another plane pulls it by a cable and then it releases. You're towed up in the air. It's the wagon of airplanes? Right. And then all of a sudden you hear this clunk and it's the cable releasing. And so you're up there and there's no engine. It's quiet. How do you land? It's just same way. It's just come in. And you start running. Flintstone it. And then the guy did a flip and I was sick the rest of the day. It was just awful. You were in one? Yes. This guy'showing off. Yeah. Nice. And basically what they do is drop about 8,000 feet just in about two seconds. It's like, ah, but it's cool. I mean, it was very quiet. You know, we made it from Morrisville over to Lake Champlain and flew back. So it was really cool. That was nice. I mean. But for somebody like me, who I'm at, you know, like, heights, it's a little unnerving. It flips, just, you know. That's why I don't go on rides and stuff. I agree. I would not want to be part of this. But this guy seemed fine. I think he'll glide again. I'm sure he will. He's probably up this weekend. Yeah. I wonder what a glider costs. What do we think? Depends. It's probably a big range. Yeah, you're right. I mean... I wonder if so many of them just make their own. You know, it's like that kind of thing. Definitely not getting in a homemade glider. Yeah, out there with your Helmer's glue. I started with paper planes and now I make my own gliders. Yeah, you're right, big range between five and $50,000. Yeah. All right, moving on. 25,000 Vermonters lost their affordable internet this past week. Because of Congress. Yeah. They won't fit the bill anymore. 23 million households across the country. This is a good thing. Like overall. I think it's mostly Trump voters. Maybe that's what it was, like, you know, these people just don't need the internet. Maybe they singled them out. I don'think that person needs the internet. Let's get rid of them. Yeah, county by county. But can you imagine, like, you have access to everything, then one day you're like, Oh, Pornhub's not working. Damn it. You know, of course, probably a lot of kids have lost out on it. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'm sure a lot of them, which hurts. Well, yeah, that is going to suck. I mean, if you're a teacher, you're like, oh, what do I do now? Bring in the TV with the cart. Yeah, it doesn't hurt somebody who's on there for conspiracy theories and stuff like that, you know? Yeah, maybe they don't need that. I saw there was a tribe in the Amazon or something where they brought in smartphones. Did you see the story? And then pretty quickly, they started gossiping in group chats and became addicted to gambling. You're kidding. Stopped hunting and gathering. People are starving because they're watching sports and pornography. They're watching porn. All this stuff on their phones, they just totally shut down. And we just do it willingly. I know another story like that. There's a book called Happy Isles of Oceania. I can't remember the guy who wrote it, he's a very famous writer, I think he wrote Mosquito Coast and some other stuff. But he talked about that in Tonga, that when they introduced television to Tonga, it completely destroyed everything. Really? It just brought it way down, the society. Because people were just watching TV? It probably wasn't even good TV. No, they're watching like Gunsmoke, right? In Tongan. Yeah, right. You're like, I don't have any contacts for this show. It makes no sense. What is the Wild West? That's too bad. Peter Welch is fighting for it, though. He's on the job. Yeah, Peter'starting to impress us. Oh, yeah. You know who needs to get out of my inbox? Blint? Yes. She's all over everything. First of all, how did you get my email? You know what? I'm getting it too. I can't believe it. What? Who? You know, I know only because of you two, mentioning her a few times. I don't know how I'm on any of these emails I get. Yeah, it's almost... And it's 100 a day of just garbage. I know. And I'm just like, what did I ever do to get on this list? I don't like I'm pretty sure I voted for it, but like I don't you don't vote with your email I don't know what I ever did Are you a registered Democrat? That's a good question. I might be that might be how they get your but you're not glorious Voting for the middle finger Anyway, beg a bullet if you're listening fucking chill out You know, like, make me miss you know, like, a little bit of a distance and absence. They make me appreciate. She's on TV a lot, too. I know. I'm sure Peter Walsh is like, Huh, I was a female. It's disinteresting. Is Belate gay? Yes. Okay. So she's like a twofer. Yeah. I'm sure Peter Walsh is like, Damn it. Should have been gay. The other day, they showed a little clip of her on Twitter saying, you know, I come from the great state of Vermont and we have, you know, cannabis there. And she goes, and I don't partake myself, but after this hearing, I can understand why somebody would. I don't partake myself, but Peter Welch over there. I wish they did. I wish you, when is someone going to get, when will we have an elected official who's honest, who's like, yeah, I do it every now and then. Yeah. I don't drive. Yeah. Go to home, whatever. Come home, day's done. Some of my colleagues have a few bourbons. I have a gummy bear and I put on the Jetsons. And my partner and I just laugh. You know what I mean? Like, would that be so bad? No, I think that's the kind of politician we need a commercial like that. Yeah, I actually think that we should give cannabis to inmates in prisons. Why? Because it really, for me at least, it destroys all anger. It's just like, all right, you know, everything now that was so horrible only a couple of hours ago, it's now like, yeah, you know, it's not that big of a deal. So, I think, hey, if it can mellow them out, who knows? I don't know. I think, I haven'tried learning yet with this, you know, like this, but I'm wondering like, if learning a language would even be easier when you're like this, because you have no inhibitions. I mean, probably, like. Yeah. Like production would be easier. I wonder about retention, I'm not sure. That part, yeah. I'm not saying it's better or worse, I'm really not sure. But yeah, maybe let's give inmates cannabis. Give them the option or make them do it? I'm sure there wouldn't be a lot of people turning that down. That's probably true. Yeah. Or maybe one guy's like, I love my anger. Yeah. It's how I define myself. Yeah, that's true. I don'think they'll ever do anything like that, though. You know why? Because first of all, before you know it's going to be a market going on, and there are those who want more, who's going to take it from you, and I'm going to steal it, you know. So it probably would just create like a drug war. Well, I mean, if they... Well, it depends, right? Like, the way to counteract that is to make it so prevalent that you could never... Possibly. You could never want more. Like, if it's growing in the yard, you know what I mean? That's true. If it's like grits, right? They have all the grits they want. So, just like that. And, yeah, maybe they'd like to grow it themselves. Yeah, a little skill. Yeah. A bunch of farmers. So they have a profession when they get out. Yeah, from felon to farmer. You know who the best weed farmers are? That's all they do all day. They just farm and cultivate. That's all they think about. That's all they talk about. Maybe I'll be honest with it. I used to have that idea that would mail you out. That's what I used to try to tell myself. I was like, well, should I be mad about this? And so I'd think, what if I had just gotten fellatio? Would I be angry about this thing? And usually the answer is no. Because you just switched from anger to pleasure. Yeah, if someone's really pissing you off and you're like, what if I just got fellatio right now, would I still be angry? Oh, I see. And usually the answer is no, but if it's like a larger thing, like, you know, the Uyghurs or something, it's like, yeah, that still sucks, you know, but like most things are like, not that important. I thought you were actually having fellatio. No, I just don't. That would definitely. It's all mental, it's all mental fellatio. It's all that's left. It'spiritual fellatio, yeah. All right, moving on. Speaking of crime, this is one of our favorite dudes. Is this the dude? It is, the guy who stole a canoe and all. Oh, this is that same guy? Yeah, I think so. Oh, yeah. He still faces several charges in the state court after taking off from Burlington police using a car, stolen bicycle, paddleboard, and sailboat. So what's this story about? He just pled guilty in a federal case. He's a repeat offender. He stole $300 from a merchandise from a Sierra trading store and told the clerk, I'll blow your head off. Can't do that. You can steal it all you want. You can imply. Can I point the gun and point to my head? Can I just like do that? Yeah. It'so dumb that saying it makes it like another level of felony, right? I don't know. It's just, we're dumb. Yeah, he could get a penalty up for 20 years in prison, probably they'll let him go on bond. Oh, this guy's gonna be running a daycare in a couple of weeks. Sarah George is like, I think I can really make an example out of this fella. Maybe he'll be the greatest marijuana farmer in the history of Vermont. Alright, last thing. I-89 study focuses on South Burlington exits. Still don't know what the hell to do with this thing, huh? Exit 14. That's that crazy one. You have to speed up or slow down to get onto the highway or get off the highway. That's the one, that's the Burlington one. Right. Yeah. It's the one where like, they have this little tiny sign that says like, you know, stay in the left lane to pass or through traffic, stay in the left lane. No one pays attention to that. Nobody does. No. There's not that many crashes. I mean, if you get off of Williston Road onto I-89, it's dangerous. You know, trying to speed up if you're going north. Because cars are flying up there, you don't know if they're... And a lot of times, all of a sudden, they'll put their blinker on right before you pull out or something, so you don't know. And I don'think they ever thought of how much traffic. That is the big issue. They're like, well, this town will never get any bigger. In 1980, they said that. And now look at it. Yeah. Do we ever want to come here? 189th is becoming a real problem, because there's construction on the Shelburne Road. All right, if we're doing traffic gripes, turn left out of Price Chopper at 4 PM. Good luck. Bye. Because people in the show, when they go through the light. Right. Like, yeah, I don't, yeah, this is my- I just- Spiritual felicia. I just got, I just missed getting hit today right at that intersection. Yeah. I was coming from the Shaw's parking lot over to market 32, light turned green. I started pulling out. All of a sudden I noticed this car, it wasn't slowing down. And this guy just driving by on his phone, Running that red light. If I had not looked, he would have hit me. He would have T-boned me. Did he honk? No, I never think of that. I always go, what the fuck? Yeah, they can't hear you. I know. I'm like this. Yeah, that's what the honk is for, Matt. The honk is the audible version of that. So, anyways. So, what is going on with this exit? Is there any progress or are they just saying it's complicated? Well, they have a study. Oh, no. Oh, the committee came back. I-89, 250. So 25 years from now, they'll have it fixed. Whatever that is. They don't know what it is yet. Part of it is that they're having that bicycle or that thing across that you can walk over now. They're going to build that. That's part of it. But it's just so busy, you know. That whole area, you know, Dorset Street, all that is terrible. And whoever set the lights up is a fucking moron. Can you believe those lights? They're on at 4am. And I'm like, why am I stuck with a fucking red light at 4am? There's no one here. And it's forever. And then you get the green light and you go ahead, And then the next one, which is less than a block away, turns red. Yeah, I always think, like, would a cop understand if I just ran this? But I'm worried there'someone sitting in some dark parking lot going to pull me over. Right. So, yeah, I just stopped. You could always say that you're afraid for your life, that it may be a bad neighborhood and being stopped at a red light would. You think that would work? It sounds like you've used this excuse before. No, I've heard people say that's what they use. Yeah, maybe if it was your wife. But you, maybe not. If someone's gonna carjack me, like I'm just as ill-equipped to fight them back as she is. It's not like I have laser guns or something. All right, are you all ready for a break? Yep. All right, we've got some Burlington music. This is Kate Cush, and the song is False Cry. I stole it from you. I know. All right. So glow. So, let's imagine a world which you are being honored by the Burlington Garden Club. They recognize your prowess in ignoring laws and boundaries. And really just fearless in the face of litigation. And they want to honor you. What would be an appropriate item for you to be memorialized? A birdbath. Okay, birdbath, not bad. And it would be nice if we could have electricity so that it could run a fountain so that it's always clean water. Because that's what I wanted. It really hurt to fill in that hole, but thank you very much, by the way, that really took a lot of it. It would have taken me a whole day to do that. But anyway, what was I saying? A birdbath fountain. Yeah. That is motorized, so it runs constantly. Yeah, but that means we'd have to go and get another ditch that goes from the garden across the lawn to the building, and somehow get the electricity from here. We're not doing it. The Burlington Garden Club's doing it. Oh, I see. OK. They're going to do all this? You think? So they commemorated. We're going to honor you. They're honoring you, sorry, Glo. Maybe one day. They are commemorating one of their original members, Jan DeSamo. But they got her a bench. Maybe you can tell from my voice that I'm not very impressed. Yeah. I see a lot of these actually, you know, and You know what you don't see? A lot of fountains. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because who's going to use it all the time? Birds. I mean, us, we sit on a bench for two seconds. What are we going to do? Just like look around for, you know, they're bored in no time. Teenagers fornicate, homeless people do drugs. Not in a bench on my little garden. No, not that bench. Oh, that happens. Oh, that is funny. You know what you can't do in a fountain? You can't fornicate. Oh, that's... Unless it's a big fountain. Matt's like, oh, contraire. Oh, contraire. La dolce vita. Yeah, my friend Johnny C. had a bench on Church Street. But that's where he spent a good portion of his time. Wow. Too bad I don't like to garden with anybody. I garden alone! I do, I mean... Nobody would work with you, honey. Believe me. I think about putting on a front porch form, looking for some kid. Oh, not again! We're back to slavery. It worked once. I had a slave once. I got it. But, yeah, I thought of it, but yeah. And? I mean, are the kids going to learn anything from you? Like, I don't mean to say it like that, but like, what, like, what, like, are you going to have, like, a teaching mindset? Oh no, are you kidding? I just want them doing all the shit work I've been doing. Move the dirt, slave! Yeah, here's the bricks, wash them off, put them over there. And you might ask yourself, why am I doing this? Don't ask yourself that. Just do it! Slaves don'think, slaves do. Well, your last slave is all grown up now, I'm sure. Oh yeah, she's probably in therapy now. I wish I remembered her name. There's nothing more demeaning to a former slave than forgetting them. This is Gloria's former slave at the Middlesex Occasional newspaper. That she didn't remember she had. So how is she going to remember her slave? She didn't remember she had a newspaper. Also, we should point out that Glow did not call her a slave in the position description. I believe it was a volunteer. I hope she's running the fucking LA Times now. Started out as a middle-sexed kid. As a slave. I wasn't even in the mailroom. Now, what do you... These garden clubs, what do you think they look like? What do you mean, look like? They're old. I can't imagine a lot of... Maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of these clubs are just dying off. I think the young garden clubs are called something else because there are definitely like community gardens like downtown or like, you know, Old North End. There are kids who are like 20 who are like, I want to grow my own vegetables, I want to get back to Earth, you know, like, especially around here. I want to do it with some other people. Yeah. Maybe we... I'm like Glo. You know? Yeah. It's a good way to meet like-minded people. Right. But a lot of... I'm just thinking of all these... these clubs. Unless you... unless you serve alcohol, there's... You know? Which they... those... those keep thriving, you know? The organized alcoholism. Oh, I thought you were talking about gardening. No, no Did they qualify that somehow? Nah, I'm just kidding. But I'm sure I have a couple friends in Florida who are good people. Or in the Rotary Club, in the Kiwanis Club, and all that. But they don't do anything. I don't know what they do. They raise money. For benches? My friend Tom's father, every Wednesday, he went to the Kiwanis Club. and it seems like they just serve dinner, not drinks. I don't know. You know, they talked about things, they raised a little money, they did this. What does Kiwanis mean? I don't know. Because it sounds like a word that back in the 60s, people were like, oh yeah, that sounds vaguely Polynesian. Let's pick that or something. I know. Where does it come from? Kiwanis? What's that even? What is that? Is that kind of khaki? I gotta go buy some new Kiwanis, these old ones are fading. You looking up, Matt? Yeah, let'see, what does it mean? While he's looking it up, I will say that this woman, Jan DeSamo, her bench, her subtitle, she's the heart of the garden. That's pretty good. Yeah, I like that. Let'see, looks Yiddish. I did not expect that. I don't even know how to spell it. Is it all I's? K-I-W-I-N-I-S. I can't find a decent answer here. What is it? To make oneself known. Oh, it's Native American. Now it's Native American. To make yourself known. I have a different one. The name Kiwanis was coined from the Ojibwe language expression derived from the word Giyuanizi, meaning to fool around. Really? And who are these other people? I mean, I never heard of this. This other one says it's American Indian meaning to trade. So we don't really know. It's an unknown thing. Kiwanis, to give primacy to the human and spiritual rather than material values, to encourage the daily living of the golden rule. What's your favorite rule, Glo? Isn't it? She has no rules. She lives without rules. Rule number one, there are no rules. She lives her life like Outback Steakhouse. So you don't remember what that is? The golden rule? Am I supposed to? Is this from Catholicism? No. I don'think so. I think life, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's in the Bible. Yeah. Don't be a dick. Yeah. If you don't like being a dick, then don't be one. Yeah. Settled. Moving on. See, that was 10 minutes on this woman's bench, which I didn't expect. All right, moving on. Matt, you put this on here. I did not read the entire thing. SD Ireland? Fucked up? Yeah, there were... This will rile... glow up. Uh-uh. Cambrian Rise. It's the old orphanage. That area. What is that? Why do our names sound like... alien planets? Is that a real thing? Cambrian? I don't know what it is. What does it mean? Well, they were building something, and during the big storm in early January, when 75 mile an hour winds whipped through that area, a bunch of trees got uprooted. So they started cutting them, Ireland did, but they went a little too far. Yeah. Yeah, some of the trees were more than a hundred feet from the... And then they claimed they did it as a favor to the city because they knew that they were out doing other stuff. Oh, right. But the local neighbors are going, Nah, they want a view of the lake. And Ireland vehemently denies this. You know, he's the busiest contractor in the state. I guarantee you, he's everywhere. All right, put your money where your mouth is. is build a wall as tall as those trees, so no one has a view of the lake. Yeah, so. That's King Saul shit, split the baby. He owned up to it, Ireland did. SD himself? No, no, it wasn't. It was whoever was running the show now, his son, I think. Stephen David? I don't know who. I read this earlier and I don't remember much of it, But, oh, so these Cambrian Rise buildings, they're high-end. Of course. Get out. Oh, this wasn't like affordable housing? One is listed at $1.65 million. Oh, where is this? It's on North Avenue. Let's fuckin' bomb up to that. If you always take 129, you'll never go by it because what it is it's a continuation of North Avenue? I can't remember now. Anyway, so if you always just take that little speedway thing, then you'll always, you'll never see it, which is what I do because I don't want to ever go by there again. I haven't. Ever since this whole thing just started, I knew, I knew he was a scumbag. I mean, he seemed so nice though in those meetings. Oh, they decorate their trucks with Christmas lights and drive around the street for 35 minutes. Oh no, this is Farrell. This building. This is Farrell. It's his building. Yes. That's his property. See, this, yeah. Another reason to hate fucking developers. Yes, because at these meetings, he always seemed like, oh, you know, I just, you just can'trust them. They're like fucking slime. First of all, they own a whole island to themselves in Lake Champlain. Let's burn it down. I mean, someone should burn it down. I mean, it'd be a shame if it got burned down. We will not be burning anything. Well, yeah, no one, who's like, you know what? I got into development to really make a difference and improve people's lives. No one ever said, that's not the reason. It's money. Yeah, it's greed beyond what anybody really needs. It's also like the dumbest, easiest thing to do, like, they're not like innovating, there's like, buildings, you know, like, it's not clever. It's not like, you're not making a plane go straight up and down, you know, you're knocking down trees. Why is the city allowing all this? Because Moreau is a... Hey, watch that! Well, yeah. But wait, didn't, when did this happen? Well, I mean, this is not the new mayor, so this is not a parable. Oh, this is all news. Because they increased the number. He's amended the development agreement twice and now expects 1,050 units there. 1,050 or 150? 1,050. No, no. That can't be right. It must be room or apartments. 1,000? It says. Jesus Christ. 1,050 across 14 buildings. Wow. Whatever happened to the orphanage? Have you been downtown and looked at the streets? That's where they are. I don't know. No, I mean, well, that's the whole problem is because, you know, the archdiocese had to sell it and they sold it to Burlington College down the street and then it went defunct and she sold it to Bernie's wife I guess right she is the president sold it to developer which was shady no I think the city on this didn'they this Burlington College or was it some like dinky one building, kind of like old, you know, it'supposed to be all like some media or arts or something. Well, the city didn't even know about this. The tree cutting only recently garnered attention. SD Ireland official or SD Ireland notified city officials about the strip cutting back in January. But Cindy White, director of city parks and recs admitted at a recent meeting, she didn't think twice about it wasn't until march or april white said that uh... vermont housing and conservation board staffer visited the land and reported by a land had violated system conservation guy comes along says what the fuck yeah the city never would have known about it well i don't know i do not know it is like that they don'they look at the other way as it is one of the driving reports next week right and uh... ireland vice-president Vice President Patrick O'Brien told seven days the workers assumed the city was busy cleaning up other storm damage that day. We thought we'do them a favor and cut up and remove the ones that had fallen apart. Oh, because that's what construction crews do. They do free work. Right. That's what they're known for. We have since learned that for a variety of reasons that we should have just cut trees off at the property line. You fucking scumbags. There's nothing that these guys know more than where the property line is and what is okay to cut and what's not okay to cut. This is such horseshit. But yeah, I say build a wall. Build a wall right there where the trees were, block the view. If you feel like you didn't do it intentionally, build that fucking wall. Block your precious view from these multi-million dollar... You're right, Matt, 1,000 units, 75 units across each building for 14 buildings. That's not that many, actually. Seven floors. Boy, North Avenue is gonna be busy. Are you fucking kidding? The city allowed this. Yeah. That's insane. How is that? The city allowed this. I know. They looked the other way. Yeah, I mean, remember were, you can't fight them. I mean, remember that group that we, at least once or twice, we walked with them and stuff. And that's how we learned how big it was. And what exactly, you know, Farrell was gonna do. Yeah, Farrell's number one scumbag. Yeah. So then I went to a meeting. I'm not sure if you went with me. I remember even crying. I felt so embarrassed. I just couldn't say the words. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, so I'd never went again. I used to go we used to always go down to the Greek Orthodox Church on every once a month for that kind of community meeting I forget what it's called. Whatever. Not anymore. So, oh go ahead. No, go ahead. I looked up Cambrian and this is ironic because I think this also describes the Moreau rain. The period of time about four hundred five hundred forty three to 490 million years ago, in which many types of invertebrates first appeared. So this is the age of no backbone. Excellent, yeah. I don't know if this is a big joke about how they were able to just run this through Moreau, and they're like, he's got no background, let's call this the Cambrian era. But yeah, that's what it means. Unchecked development, they don't care. What the hell. Be ashamed of a burnt down. Be ashamed. and we're not doing it. No, I'm not, no. I would never burn anything down, but just, you know, it'd just be a shame. Speaking of archeology, over there in Waterbury, they are trying to find where a unmarked cemetery was as part of a psychiatric hospital in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Wow. I wonder where in Waterbury, I'm just trying to. That's the old state hospital. Oh my gosh! Can't miss that! No. Yeah, my mother always used to tell me when I was a kid, I'm going to send you to Waterbury. We knew that. Even when I was in Florida? Yeah, even when I was in Florida. We had Chattahoochee, which is a better sounding hospital. Well... Florida. Waterbury sounds like, that's where they do like, dignified research. Chattahoochee, that's where you're getting probed and electrocuted and stuff. Yeah, so a bunch of archaeologists descended and they, I guess they're not, it's interesting like reading how they're doing this, they're not like digging straight down because they don't want to disturb graves. All unmarked by the way. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Psychiatric treatment back then, yeah. But it's like, there'such a wide range, right? Like, if you're this kind of crazy, you go to the hospital. If you're that kind of crazy, you're fucking Andrew Jackson. You know? It's like, it's pretty, you know. No, it was pretty bad, even in the 70s. Remember Geraldo Rivera? Is that his name? Geraldo. Geraldo Rivera. Geraldo Rivera is his clown cousin. Oi, I'm Walter Rivera! I remember that one in Staten Island. That was pretty bad. I mean, it was, it was just, And this was in the 70s. I can't imagine what a hell hole. And they said they were going to find 20 bodies. I bet you they'd find a lot more than that. And you could go through any, you know, a lot of prisons in this country. You'd find, you know, if you look hard enough, you'd find marked cemeteries. People who died. Nobody there to claim them. Nobody cares. Or they were murdered. All right, moving on after a quick technical glitch, what else is going on? Vermont is reporting the lowest fertility rate in the US amid a overall national decline. I'm doing my part. Yep. But not a lot of people are. It's too expensive, man. It's impossibly expensive. I know. I mean, these nurseries and all this other stuff. I mean and then you're forced to have two jobs and yeah, it's Well, what do you think daycare costs? For a month per month, okay I'd say about 3,000 Jesus like it was 3,000. Oh, okay. We'd be in the business It was 3,000. I don'think anyone would be having kids. Okay. Okay. Oh, maybe that's It doesn't stop. We're a prohibitive daycare. But, um, okay, back down to earth. 1,200. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, 1,600, 1,700. 1,600? Or 1,700. Or 1,700, okay. And daycare has this great scam where you have to get on these, like, long wait lists. Like, you know, when people are like, oh, you're pregnant? Are you on a wait list yet? You should have gotten one a year ago when you were even thinking about it. And so if they accept you like, yeah, we want to take you in. We start in August, you're like, actually, we're not due until January. They well, you can start paying now or you're off the list. So people are paying daycares that they're not even using. My God. See where they burn down. So, what are some numbers here. Vermont's average rate is at 46.7 births per 1,000 women aged 14 or 14, 15 to 44. That's below the national average of 58. That's below a lot. 58.8. But move to South Dakota. The highest fertility rate is 71.2 births per thousand women. So are they just super horny in South Dakota or are these cults? It's a figure. I actually think it's immigrants. They have a lot of people of Hispanic descent that work there. South Dakotans don't want to hear this. Plus, they're all like Christians, so they're from, you know, doing it like rabbits. I don't know. I don't know why it would be that high, but, you know, they do have a lot of people who work in those chicken places and all that shit, you know, up there. I guess if you come home from a day of chicken cooping, you're like, Well, let'shower up and get down. Right? Yeah. It is the cheapest form of entertainment. Until you have a kid. I'm doing my part, Matt. I know. You're doing it well, so far. I've done nothing. Well, I did that one thing. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But it's not working out so well for Japan. Their currency is dropping, and I think it's because of their birth rate. Has it dropped? Yeah. Good. I mean, I imagine it's very crowded on that island. You're right. Tokyo probably is one of, if not the most, well, it's probably not the most crowded city. I think India and China are like, oh, we got it, but um... Well, I think you could have said any country's birth rate was dropping and Gloria would say, good. Right. It doesn't matter in Japan. It doesn't matter. She's not gonna say Japan. No, not at all. I heard today that Icelandic people have an app that checks their genealogy back to the 11th century just to make sure that you're not dating a relative. Whoa. I mean, that's kind of a distant relative. I mean, that's really back and forth, but like, there's not a lot of people in Iceland. I knew someone from Iceland who moved to Burlington, and I was like, how's it going? And he's like, oh, it's just so much traffic. It's crazy how big the city is. It's a little overwhelming. And I was like, all right, man, like, cool. Yeah, check out Orlando the next time you're in Florida. Yeah, like you ever heard of Atlanta? But anyway, yeah, so if you're in Iceland and you're, if you're from Iceland, you don't have that app, you might want to check it because you might have a cousin, you don't want that. Yeah. Sort of like going back to Portugal, though. Like go back to the 1600s. But back then, a little cousin banging was probably incurable. Oh, not only that, I mean, it was like usually two siblings from one family married two siblings from the other family. So now you're more than just cousins when you have kids. It's like, well, you're also my, you know what I mean? Double cousins. Yeah. So there was a lot of that. Who's your cousin-uncle sister? Did they come out with like horns and shit? What? I don't know. Her grandmother did. You got to see her. Yeah. Did you like it? Gloria's just screaming her head off. What happened two seconds before this picture? An old stone face is up there. I think your grandma was probably a hard woman to live with. Oh, my God. Yeah. Matter of fact, the divorce paper says that the reason why they were divorcing is because my grandfather was claiming his wife was beating him up. Judge took one look at her and goes, OK. We don't usually grant divorce here in Portugal, but... OK. Great divorce. Here's a visa. Feel free to get the hell out of the country. Here's a bulletproof vest and an old revolver to protect yourself. All right, moving on. Topsham. Am I saying that right? Topsham? Yes. It's like the most British-sounding town in Vermont. I feel like Topsham should have a soccer club. So a Topsham student is suing after being denied a green and gold scholarship. Did you read the story? Yeah, I read them all, Matt. This is- No, it's not true. I read both of them. This is really scummy, I think. You think they're doing her dirty? I think they are. I think she must be a handful. That was my thinking. Oh yeah, it could be either way. Yeah, I was like, why do they hate this student? Or, or, is the other student's name the same as the principal's? Yes, yes. So she thought this woman, Abigail Emerson, was a kid. Yeah, she's a kid. She claimed she was at the top of her class. But then the school. No, no, I think the opposite. Oh, so another student was top of class, then they redid the calculation. And actually, Abigail was top of the class. Okay, that's what I understood it. Well, you tell the story cuz you're not as high as I am. I'm zero high. So yeah, I read it twice and I understood it different ways each time. So thank you WCAX for your clarity in reporting. So the way I understood it, Abigail was the highest in her class, so another student was highest in her class. Then they did some recalculations, which also doesn't make any sense. What were they recalculating? And then Abigail was higher at the end. And so Abigail'saying, I was the highest. I don't understand. And they're like, no, it's not only you think we only focus on the highest GPA. There's other factors. Yeah. This is for a scholarship. We won'tell you. This is for a scholarship. Yeah, so yeah, you might I think I've changed my opinion on this now, but you see the, you know, the other side of it. So UVM gives out these green and gold scholarships to like schools around Vermont, like, we'll just take your best student will pay, you know, and I guess worth a lot. Yeah. 240 grand or something, you know, a lot of money. And so it's competitive. And I'm sure in a town like Topsham, where there's like 1,200 people, I'm guessing like Abigail knows exactly who her competition is. It's Wanda, you know, so... Wanda, whose last name is the same as the principal. And so she got the top and they're like, no, we're still giving it to this other person. We did nothing wrong and we're not going to explain to you why we did it. Yeah, she got done dirty. UVM should step in and give Abigail a scholarship. They should. Wouldn't hurt them. Because the other person didn't accept hers. No, really? Wanda. I know, that's not a real name. No, she's going to some other college. Oh, so no one gets it then? Nobody gets it. Oh, my God. They gotta give it to her, right? It's a shame she's not part of the school now. That is insane. That is insane. So, I have a scholar, I have a valedictorian story from my high school, were any of you close to being valedictorian? Gloria closer than me. I was number 7 out of like 387. Yeah, she was close. I was not close either, so I'm not trying to like shame anyone. I think I was like 85 out of like 400. Anyway, this one kid, Jeremy Green, he took, so he, like from day one freshman year, he wanted to be valedictorian. He took all of the, like, remedial classes. Oh, he's not taking calculus. He's not taking calculus, he's not taking A-classes, he's not taking honors. And so he had a perfect GPA. I like this guy. But he was like the perfect GPA of the Fools. He was king of the Fools. I love it. And he was like, we had like a, they didn't really know what they were doing back then. So we had like seven valedictorians. And so he had like a 4.0 GPA and he got into West Point. And I'm like, King of the Fools. Love this guy. I hate this guy. Because Matt, if you talk to this guy, he would not like this guy. Oh yeah. I was gonna say, do you know this guy? I don't know him now. But you knew him then? Yeah. And now? Now. Okay. He's a turd. Probably still a turd. So, yeah. So you were seven. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's very good. I actually, believe it or not, I shared that number seven with Michael Trisha. He's a Polish name, I can't remember now. Something like that. And he was really angry about it, and I can't blame him. Cuz right there, they only used the first half of our last year to figure out the rank. What? Yeah, so what happened, I failed in TRIG. The entire year except for the last semester? Yeah. It's not just, okay, I got a business. Yeah, and I let him know that I failed in TRIG. I hate TRIG. How could you fail trig? Yeah, you've got trig written all over you. Yeah, you look like a trig. You've got trig crawling all over you. Anyway, yeah, so we share number seven. And I got a scholarship of $500. Which, in 1975, could get you probably a whole semester of classes and maybe even dorm, I'm not sure. Now it's two textbooks for one class that the professor will never even ask you to open. Yeah, I know. So, Michael, what was his name? Michael, just this Polish kid? Uh, uh, Trzyzna, I think. Okay, so he's looking at you like, this lady didn't even pass TRIG? No, not at all. She's on equal footing with me? I'm a TRIG genius. Yes, well, not quite, but just saying I failed anything just makes it sound like. How does it make you feel when you say I failed trade? Cuz you don't like to fail. Did you go back and take it as an adult? No, I mean, it was only, we got marked six times a year from September to June. So I failed like number four or five. So you didn't fail a whole year. No, no, I didn't fail a whole year. I failed after they cut off the time to start deciding the rank and all that stuff. And you had F7. Yeah. But he didn't like that. And you know, he was smarter than me. I mean, yeah. You ever look him up? No. He's probably dead though. You know, I didn't have, my class didn't have that class spirit, right? Look at that crummy little tiny amount of people who showed up at that one thing. But the best place for burgers. In Newark. In Newark, Jersey, which is in Newark. What's it called? Krug's. Krug's in New Jersey, in Newark, New Jersey. They had our family, our class reunion that year, because it was a... They had the big reunion the next day of all the things, but went to Northern Maine. I can't remember. No, no. We've been to both. Anyways, yeah, this was our class reunion. It was this dumpy tavern where people weren't very friendly. I don't miss the people who were there. But anyways, it's the best burger you can get in Newark. In New Jersey, I think it's got a pretty high ranking, and that's what was served, or you know, it's like a buffet. But only like, I'd say, 20 people. Some of them didn't look so good. Believe me, back in the day, they could have been, but... Gloria was the class. The class of the class. You're walking around like, look, I'm still mobile. Wow, I gotta, I was like, I gotta get my back in the game. I'm not telling you a lie, she was better off than anybody there. Hey, success is the best revenge. Hmm, yeah. I did not make that up, by the way. Oh, I know that, yeah. But anyway, yeah. And remember, we took a taxi. We stayed in Harrison, which is just over the river, Raritan River, probably the most polluted river in all of the world. Ooh, China, India, what a world. Oh, well, okay, maybe things have changed, but back in the day, and we stayed at this hotel, it was supposed to have a river walk. It was about 200 yards long. Don't walk any further. And it's looking at, like, tires and things. It was a large ditch that had, you know, half the water had drained out of and you could see all sorts of shit in the bottom. It was terrible. You could, like, walk across the thing. So we took a cab. Is that the Passaic? Huh? That's the Passaic River. Yeah, the guy in the Passaic. So we didn'try driving ourselves, so we took a taxi. And the guy was like, he'd never seen anything like it. There's people double park, people triple park, people like you can't get through the street, so God forbid there's like an ambulance that has to come through. Because you have to like, you know, you kind of know your neighbor's car and then you kind of like hopefully, you know, or you start beeping a horn and get people really, you know, pissed off. Yeah, people park wherever they want in Newark. And so because there is not enough parking, Those streets were not made for cars. Yeah. But anyway, right? And the taxi driver was like, how did you get through here? It was pretty bad. I enjoyed it. I know. I was fine. But, I don't know, I felt bad. I can't remember. The guy who really had a big crush on me in high school. Oh, the guy that looked like Quasimodo, yeah. Did you have a hunch if he had a crush on you? I don't know what you're talking about, but it's funny. His name doesn't ring any bells? No. I don't know what you're talking about. Quasimodo puns over here, I don't know. The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Quasimodo. He's ringing the bell. He's ringing the bell, he has a hunch. Okay, okay. And he's very handsome. No, he isn't. I can't. We're moving on. All right, we're moving on. I think I'm gonna skip this next story. Wu-Tang affiliate, Killer Priest, Kated Brattleboro. It's not that exciting. No, I figured you had nothing to say about Wu-Tang. Well, I knew he's from Wu-Tang. Did you? Yeah, I read the story. Oh, I thought you saw the name Killer Priest, you're like, oh. You're like, oh, mediocre Wu-Tang FC. All right, moving on. Something that is important. Costco hot dogs price stand firm. Wow, man. And it's very definitive from the CEO or whatever. I just lost everything. Is this the one that has the quote that says, I will effing kill you if you try to raise the price of the hot dogs? Yeah. Are you kidding? Yeah. So not CEO, COO, right? Or CFO? Or C, co-founder. Oh, if you raise the effing hot dog, the price of the effing hot dog, I will kill you. Costco founder, co-founder. Oh my gosh. Well, it withdraws people in and you make money other places. It is the cheapest draw. I mean, you could have that for lunch every day. It would save you so much money. I mean, long-term health care costs. You're talking about, you know, hey, I'm poor for six months and whatnot. Yeah, but look at those calorie things. Every now and then I'm like, oh, I can go for a hot dog. I look at them like, oh, it's 800 calories. I don't care anymore. I'm almost, you have a reason to care. I mean, you walk 8 miles a day, so you're probably fine. I've sat more at my job than I've ever had in my life. All my tests are fine, so I don't really worry about it. Yeah, but how many, what, once a month you're having a Costco hot dog? I haven't had one in a year. Oh, so that's what I'm saying. But I don't have anything else. Hot dog, I mean, I lived off of them for a while, you know, it's pretty much what I had for dinner every night was hot dogs. A couple years ago, you know, we're just, you're not eating dinner, so I'making hot dogs. Oh, you're having granola. Yeah, so if you're worried about the state of the Costco hot dog, rest assured, it'staying where it is. Nothing's changing. You can get heartburn anytime you want. When's the last time you had one? Oh, probably... between six and 12 months ago. Have you ever eaten anything else from Costco? Oh, I like their pizza. Pizza's good? Okay, so in Korea... No, it's, yeah. They have a bulgogi wrap. We have the chicken bake. They have a bulgogi bake. So it's like the same concept, but it's full of bulgogi, which is thinly sliced marinated beef. It's much better. It's great. And it's also probably like 1200 calories. You eat one of those things and you're like down for the day. But if you eat one of those once in a while... Yeah, yeah, totally. We split it. We split pretty much everything. Yeah, we do. Except the other day when we got the burrito stuff there. Oh, at Chipotle? Chipotle? How was that? I've never been. It was good. Really? It's pretty good. But you had to see this person behind the counter. Oh, she was awful. Oh my god. She had the most deadpan. Young, old, what was her? Young. Didn't want to be there. Yeah. Her attitude was just humbling. I'll have a little bit of that pico de gallo. She's just getting the same scoop, right on everything, never even looked at me. I said, okay, I'll have some of that, same thing. It's like, I'm laughing. I am laughing because I think, oh my God, this is like Saturday Night Live. Is there a camera? Because this woman is just like totally deadpan, not even looking at anything, sort of like thinking about, oh, you know. Is this a stone? No. No, she's looking... She's kind of like her eyes are flirting back and forth, kind of like looking everywhere past your head. Like, she's probably in love with one of the cooks, and she's worried about, you know, he's getting it on with the dishwasher. That'll... But anyway, it was hilarious. This woman would just stick that spoon in, not even look, and go... And I'm literally laughing. She's like, I scoop, I don't measure. You say a little, I don't know, that's one scoop. Right, right, it's just like, so I get this big, massive, you know, bowl. So you're like, do I exist? And the next day you go, hi! Yeah, right? Anyway, it was hilarious. She's got a rampant scooper. She was so funny. She's just like, she just can't stop. Just can't. You have this giant piled up bowl. She's just like. It's funny because Gloria and I each get a bowl. I mix mine all up. She eats it exactly how it comes. Yes. It's not a sundae. Touch it! No! It's like, start here, and then we'll... I evenly... so that everything stays like different flavors and the way it was like laid out. Kind of like a lasagna. You know, I kind of start from... But that's not how people eat lasagna. People put their fork all the way through and get a bite of all of it. Right? You don't eat one layer at a time. Oh, not horizontal. She's eating the vertical layers. The vertical. I don't understand. She's eating. She starts. Okay, this is a woman who eats a sub from the top. Oh, yeah, and a hot dog, too. You eat a hot dog like you're playing harmonica? Yeah, I'm going on a comp! Oh my god. It's like, everything is going on the comp! How's that sub? You eat it like a cartoon person eats cantaloupe? Yeah, I guess. Actually, that's how I eat watermelon. I just cut it in half. No, no. I cut it in half, and I scoop out. No, what am I saying? I cut it in half, and I eat out of it, like a bowl. And I eat that whole half, usually, depending on the size, of course. I mean, that's a lot of watermelon. It is. It's also, it's not uncivilized. It's not uncivilized? No, it is. It's uncivilized. It's a little uncivilized. You need to scoop out of like the thing. You told me you put your face in it like a bowl. No, I used a spoon. Oh, okay. I didn't know. I'm just scooping it out. What the hell? She puts her entire face in that. I didn't know what were doing over here. Joey Chestnut Eating hot dogs or something Alright Next story, go to break What do you want to do, Matt? No, this is Darn Tough We like Darn Tough We're having some problems I don't fully understand it Darn Tough is wrestling Darn Tough is a sock company here in Vermont Very successful very, really great. Yes, yes. And they really do stick by what they say, which is, if it wears down or whatever, send it to us. And sure enough, believe it or not, they usually send you not only one but two pairs. Don't let that word get out. Well, I did that for just about a year or two. And then I said, this is silly. So they're victims of all this, the story is using them as like a lens into just this multitude of online scams that are happening. And this story features someone who's like, I'm pretty aware of like scams, but this one got by me and my wife, they saw something on Facebook marketplace, let's look legit. And of course, it's a scam. If anyone's asking you for money up front, anything up front, any credit card info. So if, like, I always remember my mom was like, Amazon was calling me. I'm like, no, they're not. Right, right. Like, Amazon. Nobody's calling. No one's calling you. Nobody is calling. Like, no one's calling you. Any of that stuff, it's all bullshit. Anything that sounds too good to be true is probably bullshit. Like, these companies don't just, like, give away socks. They have, Darn Tough has annual sale. Go there. Right. A lot of good deals. Just deal with them directly. Don't have to go to anybody else. Nope. Nope, nope. And there are great deals. Of course, if it'still as popular as it was, like seven years ago when went, or. It's probably more popular. It's crazy. It's a wonderful company. Yeah, it is. Support them as much as you can. What, have you been to the sale? What's it like? What's the vibe? Is it cutthroat? Well, the very first time I went was years before I met Matt. And because it was not known well, you know, not well known like it is now. It was, you know, you could park and you buy a bunch and you're actually standing in line with among the machinery. So it's really cool. You get to see like what everything's done and it's really neat. But then the time you and I went, I had to park out in the cow pasture. Oh, it was like a long road. We left, didn't we? We didn't even stay. No, I think we parked, but it was way down the road, on a dirt road, and we walked up. We did? Yeah. And again, you could see the way they manufactured stuff. That's the only time I've been there was with you, I think. I don't know. I have a whole other memory. But anyway, let's go on. But yeah, so what's going to happen? And what's, anybody come to the rescue? No one's coming to the rescue. It's mostly darn tough saying two things. One, everyone should be aware of all this stuff that's happening, because we can't control it. We can't do anything. Everywhere online. Yeah. And then also, we need to do our part of when we do recognize there's a scam, putting it out there. Like, hey, don't buy from this person. Training employees to just be aware if someone calls, and just say, no, that's a scam, things like that. So there's a little bit they can do, but you can't control the internet. The internet's going to internet and it's going to just run wild. Yes, it's never going to be a lawful place. That's for sure. Yeah, it'so anonymous, just like the car. You know, that's not really the, you know, that's how it is. What? I feel like you're about to open up an essay that you have on the car. Car, car, automobile. I understand. Well, you no longer walk. Now you can drive. So you no longer have where, you know, that constant more human contact interaction. Yeah, and so then the car comes along. Hey, now you can yell and scream and beep your horn and get away with all kinds of kinds of abusive, but you know, probably right. singular finger gestures. Probably rightfully so. You know, that's the first thing and like you said TV has damaged. I can't remember all the country kind of me anything and then also the cell phone. I hate my cell phone. I hate it because if you knew what it was like before where you were so attached. I know I know. You're not that. I know, I knew. You didn't know what it was like. No, look, I grew up half my life, no cell phone, very little internet. Half my life, totally dominated by that stuff. Like, I am that sweet spot. I'm that 1980 baby who, like... 1980. I would go out and run the streets, and my mom would be like, be home for dinner, go home for dinner, go out again, and she'd be like, next morning waking up for school, like not really like, when'd you get home? It didn't really matter. Like, run the streets. What? He was running the streets. Run the streets, Chloe. Adam, running the streets. Just like some Bruce Brinks. I had my headband, my sleeveless jean jacket, and I was just screaming about the troubles of Newark factory worker. He became a troubadour. Yeah, I was a busker. All right, let's take a break. Buskers, we got music from Vermont rapper, I don't know if it's pronounced Foz or F-O-Z. Hit me up, correct me. The song is Sense of Imperfection. This was the first time that I realized embracing a limitation can actually drive creativity. It felt great, even if it wasn'the art I was passionate about. But once I embraced the shake, I realized I could still make art. I just had to find a different approach to making the art that I wanted. So, I began experimenting. So little do I know what I might breathe into the cold My feet don't even ground until it literally erodes I see it when I go back to the places where I grew Like a dream that I can go back to, everything held true Everything, of course, except those paths I've divorced Everything in time, every life ran its course Now all that I can stand with are those things that I began with And everything I can give has already been given before Still I would give a little more if you would listen when I call you We lived on different floors of the same building, I never saw you I let you slip out my grasp like the premise of a class Could never last, were on different paths just like they all do We waste time and we fall through the grapevine But hey, at least we're all on the same page like grapevines Just like we wanted to, the clock moved faster And another thing I want to do gets pushed to the backburner I let go of the tangible outcome and saw new possibilities where art didn't have to be tangible or serious or pernicious I'mastering a perfect sense of imperfection Fastening the turmoil to the blessings Trying to discern what I've neglected I'm back where were when were us instead of separate Laughing at the world instead of suffering its deficits Fumbling the evidence and then holding up the trial I've been rolling with the punches Haven'thrown one in a while Watch it grow into a stubborn sense of discomfort It started this summer I was a quick jumper Always lived under false pretenses It's nothing special But the big numbers are starting to affect the mental So with the pedal to the metal I press on to the next up Like I'll never let the devil keep me locked up in a red box or meddle with my levels No peaking when I'm speaking, no feedback when I'm reveling The deities I believe in aren't at peace with one another There's no even numbers, and the keys are playing to a different beat than the drummer I went from having a single approach to art to an approach to creativity that has just completely changed my artistic horizons Now when I run into a barrier or I find myself creatively stuck, I move from frustration to anticipation really quickly because I know something amazing might come up. And we're back. Alright, it's time for America's favorite segment where we run down the worst people in Vermont. The lowlifes. The ne'er-do-wells. The louts. I feel like you did that one before. What's the next one now? Delinquent. There you go. That's another class. I want to run through your whole list. You just did. Matt, the scumbag Matt. So our first scumbag, scumback, scumbag, is in Essex. And this is the scummiest of scummers. This person stole $9,000 in push mowers. Are you kidding me? What's it gonna do with them, Stell? Are you kidding? Is there such a demand for a push mower? Maybe he's got a bunch of teenage kids who like... I wonder if he went on like... eBay? eBay or something and checked that out. I bet you'd probably find some of those. How else do they get rid of them? Unless it's crackheads who will sell them to somebody for $30. Yeah, so you have 9,000, you steal $9,000 worth of push mowers, you probably know that you're only getting 5,000 back, right? If that much, yeah. Yeah, so how are you going to flip them real quick? Yeah, yeah. You probably know people, you know, you probably, I mean, this guy must be really locked into the mower market, right? Don't we think? He knows, he knows what's going on. Yeah, he's like, oh, Skippy down the street, he's looking for a new push mower. First of all, if you're buying a, if it's a push mower? It's at least got to be self-propelled, right? Like a push mower? You're not talking about the old type, right? With the reel? But there's a difference. Are they all like that now? No, I see people pushing them. Yeah, why would you steal all these push mowers? Because he could push them, right? He's a pusher, man. But I mean, if he was driving like some John Deere's or something, he couldn't, you know, you just can't push those onto the truck. Oh, it's too, oh, yeah. You gotta take the, well, you can. Yeah, but you figure two John Deere's are gonna get you more than eight push rollers. But you can't even get a, I mean, those things are heavy. Who's gonna buy, but, like, okay, so when we say push, does that mean self-propelled? Like, when I used to mow lawns, like, if I turn the lawnmower on, this is 19, no this is 2003, if I turn it on, the thing's gonna start going. No. I think, I think most of them are that way, but not all of them. No. I see, I still see people pushing them. Yeah. How much is a 50 bucks for a push mower? I'm not paying more than like a push, Like a push mower? This is blowing my mind, because a push mower sucks. Because one time our- It's Augustine Graff, of course. Our rig went broken, I used a push mower, and I'm like, uh-uh, this ain't it. A push lawnmower at Lowe's, $400? What? Oh, but it'self-propelled. It says so. Oh, see, okay. I don'think they have those anymore. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they might not. Are you kidding? We've become so lazy. Yeah, I know. Maybe it's just like to make old dads feel better. Like, it's a push mower. You'really getting a workout out there. But really, you're just walking behind a thing that's... You're just... Yeah, yeah. It's a wheelchair. Yeah, yeah. It's a walker. Yeah. All right, so... He's a scumbag, yeah. But maybe he's got a good business acumen. He knows the market, yeah, he knows the market. All right, next up, Matt, your favorite site. I was surprised about the quantity of dead bodies found in this next story. I don'think this is a Vermont story. Hold on. Am I wrong? Hold on. Because now the New York Post has blocked me because I don't allow their ads. Hold on. You're right. Moving on. Okay. We'll just quickly say in case anyone's like, what the hell are you talking about? 10,000 human remains found on a serial killer's farm in... Indiana. I think I had this one as like the last story, the whole thing, and I got mixed up in this gun by Max. Whatever. That's a pretty impressive haul for a serial killer who I've never heard of. Moving on. Vermont Man, we got that one. Sentenced to five years for drug and gun offenses after Homeland Security investigations. What does that mean? Why is Homeland... is that because you're bringing it across the border? Maybe? He previously pled guilty to possession with intent to distribute cocaine. So, yeah, I think they just kind of wrapping up what this dude did. Guns, of course. Guns, cocaine, when they arrested him he had a black backpack that contained more than 100 grams of cocaine base. I don't know, is that a lot? I don't even know. Yeah, like, if cocaine is flour, how many cookies can I bake? That's what I want to know. Approximately 200 fentanyl pills, a digital scale, gotta have that. And additional drug paraphernalia used for the distribution of controlled substances. Later that day, they executed another search warrant at his residence, and they found more than 30 grams of cocaine, ammunition, magazines, three firearms. Yeah. Well, it quit. Well, if you're going to be running around with a bunch of cocaine, you probably want to have guns, too. Yeah. Why don'they give this guy's address? I guess, you know, they just say Shelburne. Yeah, I mean, everyone in Shelburne knows. Yeah, they know who he is. I wonder if, like, some guy in Shelburne moves in, and you're like, that's the cocaine guy. So Matt, in your cocaine trafficking days, were you packing? No, I didn't, no. I sold a couple grams. My buddy, Pepsi Joe. Do you remember? I can't believe it. His name's not Joe. Tompkins, it's Pepsi Joe. How do I not remember? Yeah, he was dealing in pounds and eventually went to prison for it and died there. He could have been a farmer. You don'think it was the Pepsi? No, he was in prison and he just went on a hunger strike and died. Oh, really? He started himself to death. He said, I don't want to live here anymore. Interesting. Wow, what a Pepsi Joe thing to do. I think Pepsi Joe should be made into a movie. He was funny. Do we ever establish Pepsi Joe because he loved Pepsi? Like why was he Pepsi Joe? Because he always had a Pepsi can. Oh, okay. Not a cola guy. No, he always drank Pepsi. And he liked, he had these two, you know, those film cases, the gray ones. We used to put film in, it was plastic. Oh, yeah. One was gray, black, and one was gray. I don't know, anyway, he had two of those. and one of them always had baking soda and the other had cocaine so what he'd do is stick his finger in the baking soda, wet his finger, stick it in the baking soda, put it on his lips and then he would stick his finger in the cocaine and do the same. And it just opened everything up. Really? Yeah, for a guy with an 8th grade education, he was pretty smart. You know, he may have just been like a cocaine crime savant. Some people are just good at stuff, you know? Well, he got caught a couple times, so he wasn't a savant. Well, you know, that's where the 8th grade education kicks in. Yeah, but he was a, I've known a lot of characters in my life. He was definitely top 10 as a character. And you're always on his good side. Yeah, he liked me. I made him laugh. Were you scared of Pepsi Joe? No, no. You're not even like on his- I knew he always had a knife in his back pocket. So if he was talking to you and he stuck his hand in the back pocket, then you probably had to worry about it because I hit this bar I used to work at. I stumbled in, there was a big fight going on. It was a bunch of Vietnamese guys, fishermen. They got knives. Well, the one guy walks up to Pepsi Joe and he's like, he's a karate guy. And the guy says, I kill you. And Joe has got his hand on his back pocket. He says, well, it's your prerogative to try. That's a great line, but it probably didn't land with someone who's a second language learner of English. Made us all laugh, but anyway, Pepsi gel. So whatever happened? Was there a fight? Oh, no, the guy just backed off. International language of, oh, this guy didn't even blink when I threatened to kill him. Maybe I should turn around. He's laughing at me. Yeah. So, yeah, if I was hanging with Pepsi Joe, if I knew he had a knife in his back pocket, I'd, like, always want to see his hands. I'd be like, Pepsi Joe, let's do petty cake. Let's play cards. Let'skip rope. Like, I just want to see your hands. Like, let's bake. Well, he... I have told a story about his revenge with the skunk. Oh, the skunk. Yeah, the skunk. But he had another one too, where he filled a bucket full of fish and stuck it under somebody's house during the summer and it just rotted. They never knew what it was. Suddenly it went down there and it was like this plastic bucket of rotten fish. That's one of the greats. He was. I wish we could get him on. I know he's dead. All right, moving on. Yeah, this is a tough story. So I have not followed. This is something like every day they're like, oh, we had a new person. We have a new person. I've not followed this at all. So can you fill it in? There was a car chase through Burlington. It was started in Burlington. And at Perkins Pier, these employees of one of the rental car agencies went to get their car back and suddenly they were jumped by these five guys with guns and saying, you know, you're not taking the car. But they ended up taking another car and speeding up. The Burlington police chased them up 127. They were doing like 110 miles an hour. They went into Colchester, or whatever, is it Malice Bay, maybe? I think it's Colchester. Who even knows? Colchester. And they wiped out, and two of the guys in the car were dead. And three of them lived, and they're all in jail because they were drug traffickers and all this shit. Damn, man. And the Burlington Police actually backed off when they got to the line and they let Colchester do it. And I think the Vermont State Police were called in to investigate it. Oh, is that a legit thing? Like they can't cross jurisdiction? It's always in the movies, right? They do it as a courtesy, I think. They warn the people. You know, because you don't want to be chasing somebody. A Burlington cop doesn't want to be chasing somebody into Colchester and have that person kill somebody. You know, they're better off just saying, OK, we'll get them next time or whatever. I think that's the case now. They don't really, unless you're Vermont State Police along the interstate, but I don't know. These guys are all from New York. Yeah. They're all drug dealers, I assume. Yeah, I think they are. Cocaine was found on them. Yeah, it's just... I don't know, man. It seems like there's a lot more stories of out-of-state drug trafficking. I mean, I guess it's great that Vermont police are catching them, but... How many don't get caught, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right? It is. I mean, if you live in a certain neighborhood in this town, you know who the drug dealers are. And unfortunately, most of them are black from places like Springfield, Mass. You know? I mean, there's a lot of white people there, but you know, these people and this is where all this, you know, it's just, it just bothers me that, you know, it's just, I don't I don't know if it's an influence on people in this town that all these black drug dealers are in, people think that, because I know it's not true that... I would say that, I think the last story we talked about, I think that was a white dude, so I think it's an equal... Opportunity? Well, I would say this. I think the homegrown crime tends to be white. The crime that comes out of the state tends to be non-white. And I think we tend to focus on the not, the out-of-state stuff, because it's more extreme, usually. More gunplay, there's more of that stuff. You know, people, women found dead in barrels. Really? Where? You know, we just... Talk about this like... This is the story we talked about. Northeast kingdom. One day we'll invite you on the show. At least at the end of the show. Anyways, you know, but that's from out of state. You know, we had a lot of white shit in this town, that's for sure, this state. Oh yeah. But all this gunplay and all this, you know, unfortunately it comes from out of state. Yeah, it does. And it's just not in Burlington. Well, this one started in Burlington, right? Yeah, this one started in Burlington, but, you know, a lot of stories out of the Northeast Kingdom, a lot of stories out of Bennington, Shelburne, Brattleboro. It's all over, man. Yeah, it's all over. Yeah, I wish people would just forget about Vermont. Yeah. Can we just like... Go back to where we used to be. Yeah, just like erase that star off the flag, erase us off the map. We lost, the deadline was quite a few years ago. We had the opportunity to... Yes, we did. Oh, so speed you mean? Yep, yep, it was in our constitution that up until, because I was actually living here at the time, I don't know, some year, 2000 something, I don't know. And they, of course, missed the deadline I think didn't do anything about it and but they still like to you know talk about it, but it's too late I think the most Vermont thing would be us wanting to succeed, but our website wasn't working It's not accepting our code all right moving on Wallingford Vermont State Police are investigating after a red stolen dump truck crashed into a garage and then the driver fled the scene So this dude sold a dump truck. It's like a joyride. Just for a joyride? Well, I don't know. It's unclear. 12 miles he made. Say what? He made 12 miles. So there's a couple possibilities here, Glo. I will present them to you, and I'd like you to choose which is most likely. Okay. Scenario one. This guy's intoxicated. He's like, you know what I've never driven? A dump truck. He jumps in it, and he's like, wahoo, woohoo. This thing goes faster than I expected. I'm dumping all the dumps. Cool. Scenario two. This guy's like, you know who I hate? Kyle. Kyle lives on 3rd Street. I'm gonna steal this dump truck and drive it into his house. Yeah, right. He didn't do that. No, I thought he, did he? He red-soled a dump truck and crashed into a garage. Oh, he did. He did. So that was choice number two is correct. You never got to three. The suspect vandalized and unlawfully entered the residence as well. Oh, sounds like he's got a beef. Yeah. Three, I don't have a three. I only have two scenarios. Two was good. Who hit it? So I think this guy just was like, probably not sober, was sitting somewhere, saw a dump truck, thought about this person he hates, and was like, what if? Have y'all ever been inside a dump truck? I don't know. Is it the size? No, it was beautiful. It's an unexpected... Yeah, what's the size? I've been in a small one. It was at a sod farm, but it wasn't what you know like my friend Ted and I were talking about buying a dump truck and you know loading all our friends in the back and pull up in front of a bar and just jumping everybody off. Okay, that's quite the thing. When was this gonna happen? Well, were just shooting the shit around. Teddy bear company, nothing to do. I mean we could pretend to be French, but saw that photo. Alright, moving on. Next, staying in Wallingford. What a Wallingford action. Well, Route 7 does go through it. It's the Wild West if Route 7 goes through it. Rutland police are investigating the beating of a Wallingford man. So he was arrested earlier in the day, and then later they found him beaten. They found this guy unconscious on the grounds of the Vermont Farmer's Food Center. Sounds like to me, someone thought he was maybe... Driving a dump truck? I think maybe he was just saying some stuff he shouldn't have been saying to the cops. Because they arrested him, let him go, and then... The rat. Beat the rat. They found so they arrested him because they found him on a stolen e-bike I hope it was blue. What a terrible crime. Like what are you in for? e-bike yeah. Didn't get my app working so I stole an e-bike. But yeah but what's What's going on in Wallingford? I don't know, man. We've been there a couple of times. What's happening in Wallingford? What's going on? What is the vibe? There's a store, a couple of stores. Yeah, well, okay. Not much there, but yeah. We've been there. What was that? Not my choice. Had to go there for some spice or something? No. It was an interesting store. Well, one was the local historical society, right? Was it? No, we're talking about the one that makes the cheese. Cabot. No. Further south. The one that went to last summer. And I told... And then... No, come on, come on, come on. Help me out here, Matt. It's... Oh, the... And then your friend Patty's caretaker talked about it, remember, and I made it, you know, anyway, but remember that now? It's like, It's like, uh, no. but then there was like this little grocery store. What were you talking about? Wallingford? A Wallingford Inn? I don'think that was in Wallingford, was it? No, that wasn't in Wallingford. I don't know what you're talking about. No, that was like, not the Vermont Country Store, but it was the next one, right? Yeah. Grafton? Grafton. Yeah, the Grafton Cheese Company. Grafton cheese, great cheese. Great cheese, hey. Great, nothing says delicious cheese like the word grafton We got to move on because we are literally almost out of time. Okay, okay, all right, so moving on to Another high-speed chase through Burlington this one ending in Colchester This one ending with a man threatening officers with a hammer see they come up from the other direction Number from Colchester into Burlington, okay, you do we got the last one you take this guy The cops were just like, what the hell is going on? Like, why are there all these high speed chases? This guy's threatening, a 41-year-old threatening people, threatening the cops with a hammer. They got him. He ended up crashing into several cars, stopped at a traffic light, got out, ran off. Yeah, he ran off into the woods. Yeah, with a hammer. White guy, so. Good. We like when white guys come out here. You don't like it, I'm just saying. It's not all. I don't, I, that's why I hated to bring that up. I know. I'm just saying like, it's, we got our, we got our own crime, outside crime. I just think it gets the story. I think what's, what'sensationalized is not actually what's the data is showing. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Moving on. St. Albans. We got our breakfast sandwich thief. Steal my breakfast sandwich. Coming at you with a hammer. Local woman's charged with felony larceny after stealing a breakfast sandwich and cash from a man's truck that man came back from his truck and he was like he's walking up he's like I can't wait to have this he was like what I think he was sitting there when she did it oh really oh you're right Megan Roya approached the victim while he was seated in his view so she He just snatched it up out of his goddamn hands? She came up asking for money. He got a little, you know, he's probably, she was probably batting her eyes at him. And he, she stole his sandwich and then stole $40. It was sitting on the console. Who has $40 sitting on the console? Some dude, I don't know. That's not. No, but the window's open. So, well, he has a window cracked. He reached through the open window. Oh, it wasn't cracked. She reached through the open window, took a breakfast sandwich and $40. I don't care how fast you are. Because that's two snatches. You're not doing one. It's not one snatch with the sandwich and the cash. That's two snatches. That's being asleep at the wheel. I'm grabbing one of your arms. And I'm turning my car on. And then dragging your ass. You're making a decision. You want ankles or sandwiches? You can have the $40. But I want my fucking sandwich. This poor guy, we didn't say his name, right? No. His name's not here. We don't want to say his name because we don't want to shame this fella for being asleep at the wheel when it comes to his sandwich. All right, Glow, feel good story to end everything. A Vermont bear has been freed from stuck jug. Is stuck jug a thing, or is that just a poorly phrased? I think it's a poorly phrased... Well, they do it twice. Officials were able to free its head from a stuck jug. What the hell's a stuck jug? Shouldn't it be... A jug in which he was stuck? Yes, more so than a stuck jug. I don't know what a stuck jug is. So that means he has to be the other way. No? They're going to come in and try to find food in the area. One of those words was not true, but it's not a flippin' thing. A stuck jug of thing? I think it's just a poorly worded sentence. I think so, too. Anyway, the bear is free. Good for him. I'm surprised he didn't name it. Free at last. Free at last. The bear is free. So this is the MLK bear? Yeah. I have nothing else to say. Is everyone ready to get out of here? Yeah. See ya. Peace! Bye-bye. And then... The end. All life on earth as we know it will itself... will be blown. It certainly becomes a reality, however... It's a dangerous button in the world. You mean this button? Oh, I'm sorry.