The Waiting Game: Your Season is Coming

Ever feel like you're just stuck waiting for something to finally change? In this episode of *Imagine Yourself Podcast*, Lanée Blaise and Sandy Kovach dive into the emotional rollercoaster of life's waiting game. They'll chat about how important it is to recognize what you're feeling instead of smushing those emotions down. The goal is to live in the moment and enjoy life for what it is now, not what you hope it will be someday. It doesn’t mean you’re giving up your dreams if you decide to be happy now!

Let’s dig in to how we can find joy, gratitude and faith in everyday moments. We’ll explore the power of music, creativity and bringing out the kid in us from time to time.  Click play now, we think this episode will be a warm hug for your soul!


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Imagine Yourself is hosted by Lanée Blaise and Sandy Kovach. Lanée is a TV writer and producer, motivational speaker and podcaster. Sandy is a radio personality, voiceover artist and podcaster. They come to you from the Detroit Metro area and invite guests from all over the world to help encourage you in your health, career, faith journey and more!

Transcript

Sandy Kovach  [00:00:02]:
This one's called the waiting game. Your season is coming. And I gotta say it's probably more about the waiting game than the season, about enjoying your life as it is now even if you have some big plans and anticipation of better and happier times. Welcome to Imagine Yourself podcast where we help you imagine the next chapter of life with grace, gratitude, courage, and faith.

Lanée Blaise [00:00:30]:
Hello, everyone out there. This is Lanee with Sandy at Imagine Yourself. And today, we wanted to make sure that we're all taking a moment to really embrace what we're going through at the time we're going through, our emotions as we go through it, life in general. We don't have to always be out there striving. We don't always have to smush the emotions down and grit our teeth and go forth with such hardcore strength. Sometimes we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable, and sometimes we can enjoy or at least accept right where we are, right when we're in it. So I just wanted to kind of open with that thought. I want everyone who's listening, first of all, to just, if you don't mind, share Imagine Yourself podcast with any friend or family member that you think will enjoy hearing these things.

Lanée Blaise [00:01:31]:
But also right now, I just want you to take a minute to be still, think about who you are, where you are in your life, what you're doing, why you're doing it, how you're going forth with your life, as opposed to trying to jump ahead to whatever the next big thing is. So take that little minute. And then I just wanna kinda bring Sandy in on here and see your take on all of this that I've just kinda gushed out.

Sandy Kovach  [00:02:03]:
Yeah. I liked it. It was good gushing. I was kind of living in the present thinking, hey, I'm sitting here doing a podcast with Linhay. And somebody who's listening could be driving their car or taking a walk or doing whatever they're doing. But I bet you all of us, and some little corner of our mind are thinking about the next errand we have to run or, whether we're gonna get a job that, is up in the air, or what's for dinner. So when Linae said that, do your best to live in the moment. We're gonna be talking about that because we hear that all the time.

Sandy Kovach  [00:02:38]:
Live in the present. Live in the present. But what does that really mean to live in the present?

Lanée Blaise [00:02:43]:
Yeah. Because here's the thing. Our society tends to enjoy making sure that we feel like we've got a fire under our feet, making sure that we're thinking about the next big thing that we're supposed to jump to and totally discouraging us from either enjoying or sometimes you can't necessarily enjoy right where you are, but at least to have a form of acceptance of where you are. I'll put it this way. I spoke with a wonderful lady yesterday, and she is in a particular season in her life. This was more of a career type of thing we were talking about. She has dreams. She has big goals for what she wants to make sure that she does in her lifetime.

Lanée Blaise [00:03:31]:
But right now, she doesn't feel like she's experiencing those goals just yet. And everybody's situation is different. But after she laid it out for me, my only answer, and it just came, like, resounding through my mind and heart and soul for her, is I truly believe that you are meant to accept the season that you're in right now, like fully, fully surrender all the things of the future to God. But right now, I believe you will wake up differently if you go ahead and say, I'm in this season right now. I'm going to either enjoy it or embrace it or go through it, and I'm going to build towards the goal even if I'm not all the way there yet. Because in her case, she has, which a lot of people in the creative industry, you know, for TV, film, podcasting, artists, all that, sometimes they do have a season where they have to take a job that is not in their desired field. And that's kind of what she was going through. And I said, you know, you don't hate the job, right? She's like, no.

Lanée Blaise [00:04:41]:
Go ahead and let that job serve as provision and health insurance benefits and, you know, all those types of good things that are important. But don't forget that you can take side time to pursue and start building the blocks that are going to lead to the creative company, multimedia company that you really want. And that's when it kind of clicked that she doesn't have to be sad about or or be, you know, reaching out for the future thing while she's in the present. She can enjoy what she does, and she can do definitely do things to build towards it. And then one day, there's gonna be a nudge that it's time for her to drop the side job and go straight in for her dream job. And I just wonder if that can be the case with people who are looking for a relationship. They're waiting for that Mr. Right to come into their lives.

Lanée Blaise [00:05:38]:
They're waiting for their children to get a certain age or get out the house or have children, period, or, you know, are waiting for that particular career job. And we've had episodes about waiting well. That's not exactly what I'm getting at right now. I'm getting at the fact that you can do some other things, be in a certain season, and definitely still pursue sci creative pursuits. And you can still, you know, take yourself out for a date if you don't have that mystery right. You can there are certain things that we can be doing to enjoy the life that we have right now. And we don't want to squander it and look back and say that was my slower time or my be still time. And then I go to the fast paced, and I I didn't even get to savor the other season.

Lanée Blaise [00:06:29]:
So that's a long spiel here.

Sandy Kovach  [00:06:31]:
No. It was a very, very impactful. A lot of things were in there, and it is true. And being in a creative field myself, I can relate to that. And my son is in music, and we just had a big thing where he had a corporate job. I mean, it wasn't certainly wasn't anything he loved, but he didn't hate it. It paid the bills. And, he left to become a musician full time.

Sandy Kovach  [00:06:56]:
He had a, a music opportunity. But with it, that was gonna create some issues. And I we've always said, okay. You gotta have your fallback degree. Yes. Yes. Degree. He's so he's always known that he's gonna have to be juggling that.

Sandy Kovach  [00:07:10]:
And so I get nervous for him a little bit, but he's his passion is music and he's, you know, 25 years old. This is the time to do it. Not to say that you can't restart it, you know, some other point in your life. So that's kind of where we are. So everything that you were saying about your friend was kind of really ringing true to me. And, the other thing about living in the present, I feel like and that's kind of where we are. We wanna really accept not just the career we're in or relationship we're in, but just our lives moment by moment. And we've talked a lot in different episodes about, you know, the growing through trials and going through things on coming out the other side, but not really about the emotions that you experience while you're going through them.

Sandy Kovach  [00:07:55]:
And one of the things Stephanie James and we're kinda bouncing a few of her ideas off because we had her on the podcast in our last episode, And she talked about the inner spark and enjoying the here and now and everything like that. And she's a psychotherapist. So, of course, she's gonna say it's important not to squish your emotions, which I think all of us kinda know. But it's not that we're gonna go around screaming or, you know, being inappropriate at, you know, the wrong time.

Lanée Blaise [00:08:19]:
Just let it all hang out at all times. Every circumstance.

Sandy Kovach  [00:08:23]:
No, we don't want that. But But she used the example naming is taming. So if you feel anger or you feel anxiety, I have a lot of little anxiety. I don't have big anxiety, but I have little anxiety. That's a story for a therapist I may go to one day. But for right now, that's a story for a therapist I may go to one day, but for right now...

Lanée Blaise [00:08:50]:
But it's it's very relatable, though, too. I mean and it's also helpful that you do mention that because a lot of people are struggling with that and need to hear not just the naming is taming, but also to really focus on a life where you don't get in that habit or continue that habit of squishing or pushing down those emotions.

Sandy Kovach  [00:09:12]:
Yeah. I think people can definitely relate to that and some maybe more than others. And there are some people who have serious issues and hopefully, they are are seeking therapy. But even if it's just little, like what I'm talking about here, I think if I would name, have named emotions along the way and just say, okay. I'm experiencing a little anger. I'm impatient. I'm this. I'm not.

Sandy Kovach  [00:09:33]:
Instead of just saying, oh, I'm good. Everything's good. I'd probably be in a better position now, but I am learning that. And that's one thing that she did teach us. Stephanie James, the psychotherapist, talked about not stuffing those emotions. And then just visualizing and naming what those might be, I think, is one tactic she talked about. She talked about some others to help that because it's not always easy.

Lanée Blaise [00:09:56]:
It's not. It's not. And that's that part again with realizing too. So not even just the emotions, but again, realizing the seasons. I love telling myself when things happen to be going poorly with life or with my hopes or dreams or, you know, or even arguments with people in my family, I love to remember that these things are temporary and that God can turn things around, snap of a finger, on a dime. And you can pray for God to touch your heart or the other person's heart or the opportunities for those things to soften and open and change. And sometimes they do, and of course, we must the elephant in the room is sometimes those things don't change even after a very hearty prayer. But it's still true that these things are temporary, even if it's something where everything's gonna eventually turn.

Lanée Blaise [00:10:56]:
There's a season you know, in the Bible too, there's a season for everything under heaven. So I love thinking about the fact that things are temporary in this world, and I love thinking about the fact that I'm going through a season that I'm not comfortable with. And I'm having emotions that I am not particularly comfortable with right now. Like Stephanie James said, you kind of observe those and you say that I'm experiencing it as opposed to just thinking that that is the totality of what I am and what this life is, you can really get yourself in a bad rut that way and you don't have to. I know my mom used to tell me, she said, you know, I know it says in the Bible not to be anxious, but sometimes you're gonna be human, you're gonna be anxious. And go ahead. Give yourself the grace to be anxious until you're not. And then when you climb out of that and you're able to move over to a more calm state of being, a happier state of being, then be grateful for that too.

Lanée Blaise [00:11:55]:
And don't forget that that state of anxious anxiety was temporary.

Sandy Kovach  [00:12:00]:
Yeah. And we don't realize that until we're out of it. And to touch a little bit on what you said, then when you're into maybe you're living your dream a little more or you're busier or whatever, then you long for those times where maybe you you didn't have as many things happen, and you had too much time to sit and think and be anxious. One thing I've been thinking about too is sort of playing not playing with emotions. That sounds like, that sounds really callous. I guess if you're playing with somebody else's emotions. You know, like in a relationship, you know, it sounds like a song, but, or

Lanée Blaise [00:12:36]:
like or like a TV show or something where you got the characters and they've got these emotions and these situations. But no, but which, you know, life can sometimes be like that, too. But she's not. But no, you said you're kind of playing with that component, at least.

Sandy Kovach  [00:12:50]:
Yeah. Because, Stephanie James, one of the things she said was she talked about making music playlist, and she was talking about this, I think, in the in terms of gifting someone a music playlist. Like, they're going through a certain time. They may need lifting up, and so I'm gonna do some motivational songs or, you know, whatever. But I'm thinking of it in terms of feeling emotions because emotions and music, especially if you really love music, and I think most people really, you know, have some level of relationship with music, can bring out not just the happiness, but, I mean, did you ever listen to a song just to make yourself cry? Have you ever done that?

Lanée Blaise [00:13:28]:
Oh, I haven't done it in a while, but relationship wise, I used to play stuff on repeat. In fact, I'm even gonna tell you one because I wonder if people our age will remember. So back in the nineties, Lisa Loeb had this song, Stay. Mhmm. And that one is, like, sums up perfectly when you have this relationship that is not going the way that you want to. How about I encourage anyone either so I would hope you know, I don't wanna make people more sad, but if you are just wanna think back to some old ex boyfriend that you were just it was everything was a hot mess, I encourage you to listen to Stay by Lisa Loeb.

Sandy Kovach  [00:14:09]:
How about and this is not really about a relationship, but it could be. Everybody Hurts by REM.

Lanée Blaise [00:14:14]:
How about that? Remember that one? Everybody hurts. Yes. Yes. Yeah. There's definitely someone. But and how about this to the opposite point? There's these songs that my husband has on his playlist for when he goes to work out And, like, when he is just gets himself pumped up to just go out there and kill it. You know? It's, you know, that is very interesting that you mentioned this because I've been walking around lately and thinking about the fact that music has been speaking to me more than it has in many years because I had kinda gotten in this, you know, hamster wheel of working, working, working, always on the computer, you know, or on Zoom calls or whatever, which is great. But my kids were like, why don't you ever sit and take time to listen to music? And then when I'm in the car with them, they put their music on that's making them happy.

Lanée Blaise [00:15:07]:
And I have now been riding around in the car myself and listening to songs that either make me happy or make me pumped up or give me encouragement or give me grit or, you know, or even, like I said, a stray one from the past that has me thinking about, you know, kind of like another sad love song type of one by Toni Braxton.

Sandy Kovach  [00:15:28]:
Toni Braxton. Yeah. There's another one. There's I Will Always Love You by Whitney Houston.

Lanée Blaise [00:15:33]:
Yes. Oh my gosh. That one just grabs your heart. Like, oh, dear. That it's over. Over. A lot of these seem to be about relationships. I guess there aren't that many.

Lanée Blaise [00:15:43]:
There is this one guy who's on YouTube who always screams the song about, I hate my job, and he, like, has a whole tune and beat to it. So those folks out there who are struggling with that. But I love that we are kind of bringing in the fact that music can do a lot of shaping of your like, because you said playing with the kind of shape they can sometimes shape your emotions and and make you feel that someone else knows what you're going through and might be really healing.

Sandy Kovach  [00:16:12]:
Yeah. I think so. That's why you know, and I don't put anything on repeat over and over. And it's not just everybody hurts from REM. Actually, I've been listening to a lot of their happy songs too. Like, I like to, scream the lyrics to Living on a Prayer by Bon Jovi really loud. Oh, and then when I'm in a mood for praising, I love CeCe Winans' goodness of God and that. And I really get all the feels for a lot of, a lot of gospel and Christian music.

Sandy Kovach  [00:16:38]:
Yeah. There there's just a ton of them. So, you know, I guess we're not making this whole thing about music, but that is a way of living in the moment and kinda living in the past sometime at the same time. But you're feeling the feels of now. You're allowing the emotions to get out, and sometimes your mind will drip, you know, drift back in the past, but, you know, maybe it helps you deal with things. I don't know.

Lanée Blaise [00:16:59]:
It I I mean, now what? I'm gonna be probably obnoxious because I am about to make it all about the music. I was just pulling up the lyrics of that. So Fleetwood Mac and I think the Dixie Chicks did a cover on it also of that song called Landslide. And it said, well, I've been afraid of changing because I've built my life around you. But time makes you bolder. Even children get older. And I'm getting older too. And it just talks about those seasons of your life.

Lanée Blaise [00:17:31]:
And then another one that kept coming to me, which this song is like, it's not even like my favorite song or anything. It's I don't know when the last time I heard it. It's from the 2000s, but it's by Anthony Hamilton. It's called Cool. And it's kind of talking about like we don't need a lot of money to, you know, have a good time. He's kind of looking at his partner and telling her, you're cool, and I'm cool, and we're cool. But the chorus, which I truly believe God keeps telling me because every time I start to fret or get frustrated about things that are going on in my family or job and quit your worrying, baby. Quit your worrying, girl.

Lanée Blaise [00:18:15]:
And that's like the it's like that is on repeat in my mind. So I just wonder.

Sandy Kovach  [00:18:20]:
Interesting.

Lanée Blaise [00:18:20]:
Everybody takes a little moment to get that song that is helpful to them. Please pick wisely one that is helpful to them that they can play on repeat in their mind when things are not looking the way they want it to be, you know, where they're not where they want to be yet, or they've lost something that they used to have. Because that's another part too. You know, trying to live in the present is not just about making sure you're not so forward future focused, but it's also making sure that you're not so sorrowfully living in the past for things that had their season and have now changed. I told my daughter today, Gosh, I really just wish I could go back and live in the '90s, maybe even the eighties. And she's just like, oh, here we go. But we can't. You know, I can't.

Lanée Blaise [00:19:13]:
I can't live back in those days. I can maybe take some beautiful components of that and bring them with me into the present and into the future, but it's not meant for us to go back to that.

Sandy Kovach  [00:19:25]:
So Yeah. The nineties fashions are coming back.

Lanée Blaise [00:19:28]:
All the fashions all come back around too. Oh my goodness. That's so human nature does have components of that. I just want people to take a different kind of look at their emotions, at their placement in time, at their season, at their situation, and have some kind of acceptance to what's going on and acceptance of themselves and acceptance of that it's okay to go through these feelings of anxious, anxiety, frustration, loss, grieving when we're going through them.

Sandy Kovach  [00:20:04]:
Yeah. And one and one good thing and definitely feeling all the feels in an appropriate time and listening to music by yourself is I think that's a good way to do it because even if you're listening to something and you're crying, it's okay.

Lanée Blaise [00:20:16]:
Yes. Yes. It's okay.

Sandy Kovach  [00:20:18]:
It's okay. But, I don't wanna park in the bad either because Stephanie talked a lot about gratitude practices to make you grateful for living in the moment. And we do hear a lot about gratitude, but it's really a big thing. It really can, help you change the way you look at something. If you're experiencing a bad emotion, if you can take a minute and think about a couple of things that you're grateful for, even one thing that you're grateful for. Sometimes, like this morning, I was, snuggling with my little kitty cat. And and I'm thinking, you know, just like you, I I miss the days and I, yeah. I miss the eighties nineties too, but I also miss the days when Joe was little and Yes.

Sandy Kovach  [00:21:01]:
You know, just doing all the fun kid friendly things, and Joe is off obviously doing his thing, and it's appropriate he should be. But I do I do miss being a mom. So sometimes, you know, snuggling with my little kitty cat.

Lanée Blaise [00:21:13]:
That's and that's what okay. So that's what Stephanie James mentioned also, those micro deposits. She really is trying to encourage us to store up those good things so that we have deposits to hold onto and to draw from when we need them. So we talked about music, but photos, oh, boy. How about Lene Blaise loves old photos. I don't know what's up with me, but I am the keeper. I have stolen photos from family albums and brought them home for myself, but I have photographs of every grandparent, every aunt, uncle from way back in the day all the way through now on my phone through current stuff. And looking back, even if people look back at themselves as little kids in photos.

Lanée Blaise [00:22:03]:
Which Sandy, I might need to ask if I could just take a peek at a photo of you as a little girl. It's so cute. No, it's so fun to look and see what little versions of little Sandy and little Linae looked like and acted like and what were they doing in the picture. And sometimes seeing them with their parents or siblings and someone looking crazy. It really, to me, reminds us of the whole circle of life, of the whole fact that things are temporary and that can be both good or bad, but that you know, there's a whole life behind you and a whole life ahead of you, so you may as well soak up the life you have right in the midst or that you have right now.

Sandy Kovach  [00:22:47]:
Absolutely. And igniting creativity is something that she brought up too. And not just for people like the inner our creative job. You know? This is for accountants and engineers, although they might not be as interested in creativity. Yeah. I bet you there's stuff that people like to do. Like, my husband's an engineer, but he loves to tinker around with cars. Yes.

Sandy Kovach  [00:23:06]:
So, make sure you have something like that. Think and if you don't have something that you're practicing right now, get that creative side of your brain working. What did she say? Brush your teeth with the wrong hand? Like, if you're right Yes. If you're left handed, that does something in your brain and it kind

Lanée Blaise [00:23:22]:
of Yes. Your creativity. It does. My daughter has me doing that too. She's like, mom, I wanna make sure that you do all the different little things that you don't get dementia. So she's saying brush my teeth with my left hand on multiple days to just activate. There's something that it's activating in the brain. Sometimes she wanted me to walk backwards also, which, of course, I don't wanna fall down the steps or something crazy.

Lanée Blaise [00:23:45]:
She has me playing good old fashioned crossword puzzle games. Of course, they're on my phone, but different things to just bring certain areas of your brain back to life that might get stagnant when we're doing repetitive things like scrolling through stuff or watching just Netflix or just doing typing and stuff for work, but doing a few different things. And and even like you said with the music part, music also brings different things out of your brain. And she mentioned creating playlists for others, even if you're not an artist, a Van Gogh, or anything like that. There are so many little things that you can do. And again, think back to when you were a little kid. What were some of the things that you did creatively, naturally that just sprung from you? And, you know, so, of course, I was that kid going around with a tape player all the time, interviewing my parents and aunts and uncles and grandparents. I loved reading back then.

Lanée Blaise [00:24:44]:
I was trying to be an actress with my little crazy friends. So I know Shonda Rhimes said she'd get in the pantry, in the closet of the pantry and play with the can of peas and the can of green beans, and they would be the characters and have these you know? Oh my gosh. And I had Barbie dolls. My Barbie dolls had fantastic plot lines and story lines going on in their lives. Part of that was because I watched soap operas too. But but all these things, there's just and I'm not saying that we all go and go, you know, get ourselves Barbie dolls or GI Joes, but but do some creative things like you're saying, Sandy. Yeah. I second that.

Sandy Kovach  [00:25:20]:
Yeah. Just maybe do some writing or have some fun on you know, there's an app that is that kinda creates graphics you see a lot on social media called Canva. It's really simple, and you can create some really fun things. You don't have to be a graphic artist. I kind of enjoy doing stuff like that. Just creating, whatever feels right to you.

Lanée Blaise [00:25:41]:
There's Painting with a twist. That's another little place that sometimes they, you know, that that brings out. You don't have to be any kind of great artist or even a lot of us who have little nieces or nephews or grandkids and do miss that kid part, do the old school bringing out the finger paints. I mean, that could go very badly too depending on if it spills all over. Or go outside in the backyard and set up a little picnic table and spread out and do finger painting or watercolors or there's so much in this life to do, and we don't want anyone to get bogged down and miss it.

Sandy Kovach  [00:26:18]:
Right. By thinking of the goals of tomorrow, the memories of yesterday only, and and by limiting themselves to whether it's because social media has kinda conditioned us to like, that's our crack. You know, we wanna scroll and get instant gratification. And instead of going and doing creative things, it's not just for kids. I love your idea of, finger painting. Although, I remember with my niece, we used to print out you can print out Disney princesses or whatever for coloring, and we used to color. And, you know, you don't have to buy anything. I mean, of course, the printer, paper, and whatever, but, some crayons.

Sandy Kovach  [00:26:58]:
That's not even messy. So No. That's true. Doing that. Go or go see a kid's movie like, we were talking about Inside Out, which is a great movie for adults too, and they just came out with Inside Out too. So even if you don't have kiddos my husband loves the minions on Despicable Me

Lanée Blaise [00:27:14]:
Everybody loves the minions. And yeah. Because even that one, everybody loves the villain. But, no, these are just little tidbits to make sure that you're enhancing your life. And as Sandy alluded to, there are seasons also that are way different where it's like these things are maybe not gonna be the breakthrough. It will take therapy. It will take time. But there is even still hope in those seasons that we are able to climb up and out slowly.

Lanée Blaise [00:27:47]:
And sometimes, again, it can turn around in an instant. That's just those miracles that can happen. So please keep the hope. Please keep the open mind, the creativity, not having to be Van Gogh, not having to be Beyonce or famous pianist or anything like that, but keep that mind open. There's activities. Because that's another one, keeping your body healthy with walking or I do not go to the gym. That's just not my thing, but I love walking and I will do few things, stretchy bands and things in the house and stuff like that, but do something. Keep your mind and your body and your heart and your soul growing and thriving and rolling.

Sandy Kovach  [00:28:31]:
Yeah. That's definitely a way to go. I mean, it it does a lot for your mental health. It doesn't solve a lot of problems, big problems and or grief or something like that, but it can definitely help with things. Mind, body, or soul, feet on the word. I have really enjoyed reading the Bible. Like, I don't I'm not sitting down with Genesis going to Revelation. I just wanted to read the Gospels.

Sandy Kovach  [00:28:54]:
And then that turned in, okay, let me just read the book of Acts. It's next. And then I got the inkling to skip to Revelation. So what I've been now I don't know where I'm going.

Lanée Blaise [00:29:04]:
So And you can be led. You will get that nudge, kinda like it's kinda come full circle, just like the lady that I was talking to just yesterday. Stay with what you're on the path for until you are nudged and led to the next beautiful thing. Sometimes get really still and quiet to know what that is.

Sandy Kovach  [00:29:22]:
Yeah. God. God.

Lanée Blaise [00:29:24]:
Yeah. So we hope you all enjoyed all of that. And again, we hope that you share this episode and many and any others of ours because that really helps to bring our listenership up and to just make it where we are able to continue to push Imagine Yourself podcast out there to more and more people. We hope and pray that you have wonderful, wonderful day, that you really see a spot of joy in what we just talked about, and that you imagine yourself really valuing who you are from the inside out and that you really go ahead and flow with and let those emotions take their course. Let those seasons take their course in the beautiful way that we call life. Thank you for listening.

Sandy Kovach  [00:30:09]:
Glad you could spend some time with us today. Remember all of our contact information as well as that of Stephanie James. We talked a lot about her episode. How to get your spark back is on our website, imagine yourself podcast dotcom. There's links to our social media on there, a place to email us as well. Love it if you could rate the podcast, review it, let us know what you're thinking about it. You can do that right in the app you're listening. Until next time when we have something new to imagine, enjoy the present moment.