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The Taconic Parkway Nightmare - Diane Schuler
On July 26, 2009, a mother and her 2 children and 3 young nieces were driving home from a weekend of fun and frolics at a campground in Parksville NY. Coming home was to be nothing more than a routine drive back to her home in Long Island, but then the unthinkable happened.
For reasons that might never truly be known Diane got onto the Northbound entrance of the Parkway going in the opposite direction and proceeded to drive for 1.7 miles at a high rate of speed, ultimately crashing into another vehicle, killing all of the occupants in that car as well as everyone in her car, except her son Bryan, who was to be the only survivor.
It is a heavily covered tragedy that has been famously documented in a number of media outlets, most famously in the documentary "There's something wrong with Aunt Diane."
What could have happened to cause such a level headed, smart, caring mother, wife and friend to veer so out of control?
The Right Shoe takes you there and examines that horrific day...bringing forth a number of possibilities to try and untangle the unimaginable, making sense of something that never will...
Also stated in this podcast Dianes BAC was “ 0.19 NOT 1.09” I regret the error.
Good afternoon This is Debbie Q and you're listening to the right show the right choose podcast about all things strange and unusual, especially when it references a death. And this one today is a doozy. I mean, this one is one that I had to chuckle because I went on to read it to try to get a better feel for what other people thought, in this case has been very widely covered. So I go on Reddit, and the one person says, This is what happened. We all know what happens. I don't even know why people are still reading this. We all know what happened. And then there's 10,000 other answers to what may have happened. So apparently, we still don't know what happened. And we're talking of course, about the Diane Schuler Taconic Parkway massacre I guess you would call it because eight people sounds like a massacre to me. And we don't know we should call it a syndrome because whenever something in the medical industry is a mystery, it's a syndrome. 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Grizzly underscore books because she really she worked so hard for I don't know too many people like her but she has a lot going on she she really does work hard. Let's get right to the Diane Schuler. To conic Parkway, ramps Taconic Parkway, it's silly and everything sounds weird in my head but I like doing it at night because then I don't have all this craziness outside to Connick Parkway is going to drive me crazy Taconic Parkway, that's it now it's that's a Parkway up in New York, and there was a tragedy that happened. The tragedy happened. One, I think I had this July 26 2009. And what happened was so absolutely mysterious, so mind bogglingly horrific that I don't think people can even cope with what happened. I know her family couldn't because there was that famous the movie called there's something wrong with an Diane, if you haven't seen it, which Wow, I thought I mean it. It's just a very haunting documentary about Diane Schuler and what might have happened on that day, and, as you know, is very much slammed because it was a very, I will admit that the family was very much in denial. It's like there's You got it. I mean, at that point, when they film this, I think that finally for reasons that I'll get into, they were just they were in denial, but I think it's because they truly were in denial. They I don't think they were aligning. I think they just couldn't handle what happened and we're trying in their head to piece together what happened and it just did not make sense. Okay, so Diane Schuler was born in 1973. To Warren and Eileen hands. She grew up in she was the only daughter and she was number four. So that three brothers from what I gather, you know, her mother had taken off with a neighbor or a her friends seem to have argued a little bit about if it was a friend or With the next door neighbor, because she ran off with somebody leaving Diane alone, basically alone because she was a nine year old girl. So she lost her mother, pretty much when she was nine years old. And I mean last because they never talked again. And it wasn't through the mother, the mother tried time and time again, to reach out to Diane. But Diane didn't want anything to do with her. And we come to a point where mostly Yes, I watched the documentary and I got a lot of information from there, more of the psychology of her the the alcohol and marijuana that was in her system. I went online for and also there is Stephen King going to be wrapped up into this because he also plays a part in this in an indirect way. But Diane Schuler was the mother of that household growing up, it seemed as if she took over, she took charge of that household, and she grew up to be that way in life to get a grasp of her psychology first, and I'm not sure if I should say what happened first. If you didn't know what happened was July 26 2009. Diane Schuler drove 1.7 miles in the northbound direction of the Taconic Parkway, going southbound in traffic for 1.7 miles until she hit a car. She was driving a Ford Windstar, she hit another vehicle and claim the lies of eight total people. Michael, the starting guide is starting Daniel Longo and her three nieces, which is hard to stomach, Alison, Emma, and Kate, which were her brother and sister in law's children. So all three of their children were taken at once. And her daughter Erin Schuler, who was two, the only person that was to survive was her son, Bryan, who was left with a lot of eye issues and issues in general. It was truly a tragic event. That's what happened ultimately, that day, and then you have to backtrack. And that's why I mentioned you know, about the psychology because you think what happened, you know, so automatically on this one on the show, in particular, the documentary, and and in life, but I you know, I had seen the documentary first, but I would imagine when this first happened in 2009, there was press conferences everywhere, and her husband, Danny, and her and her sister in law, J. J. Schuler, she would who just does come off as such a doll. I mean, she really there was I actually listened to this other podcast and they said, Everybody needs a j in their life. And they're right. It's true. A you do. She's that kind of girl that you want is your friend. You know, she's nice, relaxed, laid back. Not in this instance, she looks stressed out of our mind, but she's just that kind of person you want around. So mostly it was those two when they had Dominic Barbara which he represented Joey but a Foucault. He, I think he represented Jessica Hahn. He was it was always on the Howard Stern Show. A lot of issues in his own life, but I think he was an okay lawyer. I know that he was very famous lawyer for all that he was always in the spotlight. He told them he said, You know, I did not want them to go public, but they insist so you have Jay and Danny very vocal that Diane would not you know, they immediately were just horrified and they were like Diane was the most level headed. She took care of everything. There's no way there's something wrong. And then this was initially and initially her why watch several I've watched so many shows about this documentaries, old news clips, and there was one of Jackie hands who is the mother of the three girls, three girls who were killed at once. So in the beginning, they do show her defending Diane as well and saying, you know my sister in law, she was a good person. I can't understand how this happened. But then, then things started coming out her alcohol her Her blood stream where she was tested she had the autopsy was done. Her blood alcohol level was 1.9. And her stomach with the contents of her stomach added, it was in the range of it was over two which is in the stupor, slash blackout range. One of the doctors that were talking about the levels of alcohol said that it was in the rain. I think her name was Carol Weiss, the one who said that it was in the range that people start going to the hospital, it was so high, you know, this was very high enter her teacher, sea level was high. Now that in itself to have a THC level that high, that's like it a chronic user, you just didn't smoke pot the night before and get that level. This is how it was written, nanograms per milliliter. Okay, so then she was at 113 nanograms per milliliter. So well, it must be high, because I'm seeing stuff like if you're This is what says 15 nanograms per milliliter is a strong indicator that the patient has used marijuana. She was at 113. That is, that's high. I mean, she ever marijuana level was high. Let's put it that way. Her alcohol ever was off the charts. So we have to have that in the back of our head. But their family over and over and over again. Now I know they were in strong denial. But even j who seemed a little more honest. She said yes, she smoked, but she wasn't a drinker. And it didn't seem like she was like her co workers. There they were, they interviewed a ton of people. And they said that they co workers. No, she wasn't it didn't seem like she was this alcoholic, which would kind of makes sense with what happened or what I think happened or what definitely happened. There's no disputing of fact. So they interviewed all these people. Now there was a guy Werner Spitz, who he was strict, and to the point that, you know, when when the family went to see him, he said, Look, she she she had a ton of alcohol in her system. That's why what happened happened. And they were like, No, no, something had to happen. Something went awry. And he said, Yes, she had a ton of alcohol in her system. And that was that with him, then you get Dr. Harold burst on, and is always saying he was spelled bu RSZ tha n. He was from Harvard. And he was a forensic psychologist who would look over not only the autopsy, but what could it what he would talk to him a bunch of her friends, a bunch of her family and see what could be going on to cause her to psychologically go through this. You know, I mean, you're talking about when she left the campground, the woman that owned the campground, and Scott from Hunter Lake, she said when she said goodbye to her, the kids were happy, they were all jumping in the car, no issues, no problems, and they were all in their car seats. And after the accident, they said none of them were in their car seats. So you know. So that's why this doctor, the doctor went through and was seeing psychologically what could have been behind this happening. And he was more like sweeter than Werner Spitz. And Werner Spitz was just having no time for that. And in the way he said it, he said it much more eloquently, that she is something precipitated this event. This was a woman who she had taken care of her family, her entire life. Then she marries somebody. And when they interviewed his parents, when they interviewed Danny, her husband's parents, they even said, you know, Danny was her oldest son. Like she was married to him, but she took care of them just like she did everybody else. You have somebody who is who was in control. The one thing that struck me was when the sister in law j says, Oh my gosh, I was so happy when she asked me to be she wanted her to be the godmother for the baby. And she said, Oh, she really likes me. You know, it just showed me like people really, really seemed to cowl tail and tiptoe around Diane, she really had a way about her a strong sense of I am the controller. I you know, she had 100$1,000 job $100,000 a year job she she didn't. They always send what she wanted. She got they portrayed this woman who really was in control with somebody and then you get to she had all this weed nurses dumb. So what happened? What happened? You know, you get this image of this woman that was so in control, but then so out of control what happened? And that was the baffling thing. And of course everyone, you know, they really were, she belongs in hell. alchi aukey alchi I never understand what good that is. I mean, I don't know, I can never see that point. But I guess you know, the three kids, man. That's ridiculous. And I know that was starting family was furious. And they kept denying the one thing that was a little frustrating was when they were asking about the marijuana. He kept saying there, it's never smoked, never smoke, you know, and then you go to jail. And she's like, well, she would smoke to go to sleep. I think if you are a little honest and own up to it, own up to it, or don't go on TV. You know, there's it's one way or the other, you cannot go on TV and ally and you into you just have to own it. But I you know, I think he was so freaked out by this happening because she was in control. She, she always did everything. She did everything for the family. She made little craft books in between making dinner and doing the laundry and getting the kids together. And she just had it going on. There was a few things that were a little red flag he like they interviewed her friends. And it really struck me the one friend they were all very protective of her. But the one friend did say she hadn't talked to her in like 10 years. And they said why and she she got upset and she said she wasn't there for my child's birth. And I think it really hurt her because when Diane is there to be in her wedding. She didn't go because she said basically she wasn't there for my child's birth. I couldn't be there for her when she got my art. So there was a little bit of I think Diane, or grew up was a very strong person. Then she finally found somebody she fell in love with she but after that she seemed she seemed to really have a one like a very, like, what do you call it like just a tunnel vision when it came to she she very much was in the moment and had to be in control of that moment. And there was no ifs ands or buts it was Diane's way or the highway that can get us to the point where you know we have all these doctors evaluating or all these people talking about her and then they go to the timeline. Now the timeline is bizarre. I'm well it is bizarre. It's just flat out is at 930 they leave the campground you know that morning he said they woke up they had coffee 930 she's leaving the campground she's waving goodbye to the owner and the answer is they're strapped to their car seats. Everything's fine. 956 she pulls into a McDonald's and liberty New York everything's still fine. She's at the McDonald's on camera. The kids are playing the the you know, this was after the 1.9 alcohol came out and everyone was questioning about what you know, Was she a drunk what happened and then McDonald's person that waited owner said, you know she was not drunk visibly and she was fine. She She didn't appear frazzled or anything. She was straight up. Okay, so then they get to 1046 and she stops at us and Okay, well, now she asked for pain meds, gel caps, which they didn't have Tylenol gel caps, so she leaves and then that brings me to a point where they were going over her chart. The sister in law is surprised because she was apparently a lot of tooth pain and she was always robbing her jaw. So the question could tooth pain cause some medical event, of course to which Werner Spitz said absolutely not. There was 1.9 alcohol enter. He was just so forth. Right. So they everyone said in theory, something could have happened because of this tooth. But I'm thinking about the tooth thing again. You know, it's weird that she never got it fixed, but she got hydrocodone for it. And I go back to this is when hydrocodone and Percocet was being really given out quite heavy handedly. Even oxy cotton with I mean, you know if you asked where you could get it, and and then I think she never got it finished. I think she never finished with her. They never really finished fixing your tooth and I truly believe it's because she could still go back, be in pain and get that hydrocodone because a control freak. I'm telling you what those opiates. That is the surest relaxation method, especially if you're a control freak, just take my word for it. And I bet she never got it totally fixed. She walked out Doria root canal apparently, or suppose allegedly walked out doing a root canal not wanting to finish it. Why? Maybe because she didn't want it fixed. Maybe she kept wanting to get that opiate, you know, prescribed to her. I know at one point there was dentists that would give people I knew anything they wanted, you know, 90 percents here, bang, no problem. I mean, not in today's world. But at that time. Yes. So, you know, I just have a feeling there was a lot going on. She was harbored this resentment towards her mother. I mean, that was without question. She was always in control of things. And then she as she was getting older, you know, she had a lot on her plate. She had a family to take care of. She had a husband to take care of that nice guy, but didn't appear that he helped all that much. I mean, even when they left the campground I know we only had the truck, and he couldn't fit any kid. We couldn't take one kid, you know, he took the dog. And I'm not pleased. I am so non judgmental. I do not judge. I'm just questioning why what happened happened. And you know, she had five kids in the car with her, and she had to get somewhere. And for somebody who's always in control, she had to go from A to B to C. it you know, something was they were there was things happening that were for preventing her from getting to a destination. And for somebody in control the time it was pissing her off. Because this started happening. They go to that Sunoco 1046 then 1058 she leaves the gas station at 1137 and then calls her dad at work using Diane's phone conversation. She She sounds a little upset at this point, but still okay. Then between 1030 and 12 a red minivan is seen by several witnesses is driving aggressively. The one guy said that he she was up on his bumper beeping swerving, moving from side to side, some put it that she was moving from one lead to another but with precision. It wasn't a sloppy move. It was deliberate back and forth. But maniacally but also, I mean, I drive the train every day. And I'll tell you that is nothing different than I see every single day people I'm doing 80 miles an hour. And people are beeping sometimes for me to get out of the way. And I'm like, I can't go any faster than 80 I just don't feel comfortable at that point. And people are flying past me. I don't get it even when it's raining. So that's I think a different I don't know, that part still doesn't surprise me. But at 1145 she was seen at on Route 17 zigzagging in and out of traffic but also she was pulling over to vomit people saw her vomiting. Then this happened a couple times. So then at 12 08 she is she calls and she does call and talk to her for two minutes. But then this is when it starts getting sketchy. 1213 she goes through a toll plaza. She again is seen driving erratically 1215 to 1245 the red minivan is seen was a rent winstar and that was when it was back and forth with precision still, but alarmingly, it was they said that they were moving out of the way at this point because she was driving so radically 1255 there was a wrong number called from her in and it's 1258 she calls Jackie and this is when she seems so called out of it Jackie said at this point. She did not seem like herself. She sounded like she was slurring. She wasn't making sense, which is totally out of character for so at 101 Warren answers, Warren hands. Okay. 101 Warren hands calls at home calls back. And she tells Diane to pull over Emmett is upset at this point, but not crying. And he tells her to wait. But she doesn't. And this is when they find her phone later on. So called neatly at the she put it on top of the concrete barrier and drives away Warren calls. And there's several wrong phone calls made from the phone right before she left it at the concrete barrier. So was she was she drinking and trying to call and then got out of the car and left that phone on the barrier. This is when Warren runs out and tries to find her as his daughter. Where are you and she says All I can see is Terry town and Sleepy Hollow. So he runs his you know, his fancy can he's in Long Island, he's racing to try to find Diane, this is when she they said they don't know that up until this point, her route was fine. They traced her you know all the tolls and everything match which you normally would have taken. But then for some reason she gets off of the Tappan Zee Bridge leaves that cell phone down goes through backwards 61 miles away to get on the Taconic State Parkway. And to get when to exit to get onto a ramp the wrong way is hard to do. I mean, you have to deliberately either they make them a certain way so that your core doesn't feel right, going that way. So she had to get on to that ramp continue going on that ramp for 1.7 miles. And witnesses say and there's several people that call during this time. And they're saying look, this guy is doing 85 miles an hour. So some people called Dianna guy or you know, by mistake, but this guy is going 85 miles an hour backwards. Oh, it's gone extinct bark like, you know, just flying him straight, not moving, not swerving, pinch straight. Some motorists said she had a serene look on her face, which is highly disturbing. You know, if you're drunk, and you are flying down a freeway and you realize you're going the wrong way, even drunk, he would start to be flustered you would start to shake you you either there would be but they said she was pinch straight, just driving like with a purpose and write down their Parkway. And there is no like if ands or buts. Diane was in control. And there she was flying. And it's like, you get this horrifying image. Because when that when that crashed, she took out three guys. You know, this. There, the pictures are everywhere. It was just devastating. I mean, you know, the kids weren't in their car seats. What had happened? What happened? What happened in that time? Yeah, they're calling all morning everything's okay. And then in a span of like a half hour all all Alberg loose literally in that van and and there was 1.9 alcohol level, that was her blood alcohol level. And then there was some in her stomach. They said she had 10 drinks inside are with like six of them. Not even there was six on top of the 10 in her stomach and even been digestive yet. So that was also an absolute mystery is to the alcohol. You know where the alcohol come from? It came from a bottle. Where'd the bottle come from? Danny says I don't know if she packed the car. Now. It came out, you know, they they would bring this for drinks or whatever. But why would a woman with kids in the car drink from a bottle? It's so perplexing. And so when I first saw I mean, and I hope that I'm doing the timeline justice because it is confusing. She got into the car, everything was fine. Then she's driving. Obviously if she went into that Sunoco station, her tos or something was bothering maybe she was maybe they were drinking the night before and she had you know she was had like a hangover or something was bothering her. She stops for those Dell tablets. Can't get them and then I have to say that one cat Let me see her name. I want to get her name right because she was excellent. Carol Weiss said said it perfectly. She's got another psychiatrist. She said you know She trying to, and I can so see this because she was always in control. And she didn't want anyone to think less of her was she taken sips of that drink really quickly. So the kids wouldn't see her, you know, trying to get rid of the pain. And then our alcohol levels shot up very fast. And then possibly, I mean, she, I believe she was trying to do what I do, and you just cannot see this woman doing something like this. So she said, you know, shut up her alcohol level or quickly, and then maybe gave her a slight fever. I don't know if you get like this, but I do. Sometimes I will feel so hot and so warm so quickly. And when I'm driving, I get very woozy. But see if I was to feel that way. I don't know, that happens to me more often now. But I'm not drinking when I do it. She was saying, maybe she drank really fast, really quickly, gave herself like, maybe she even had a little fever from the pain that she was feeling. And then this precipitated a delirium, and you know, and then that caused you to drink more. And then that brought on which she called Beyond intoxication. And that sounds like what she was going through with that pin straight driving, I'm getting home, she had been running late, there was a play that they had to get to. She was always used to doing everything so perfectly, that maybe she didn't drink the alcohol very quickly. And then it started up her taking another quick drink, maybe it was helping, and then she didn't want the kids to sear. But then it spiraled out of control. And for somebody that's in control the time, it sounds like she was really out of control at this point, as I was going through all of these timelines and everything, and I was really getting into it, like, Oh, my God, what, you know, I was really becoming quite in the rabbit hole with this, and I could not stop going over everything. Whoo, you know who she was and what had happened to her as a child. And then our friends, you know, the one crying, and then there's her husband and the sister in law, so vehemently fighting for her. And then I asked her aside, and they sounded just like Werner Spitz. This was very, the exact quote, she was fucked up. And she fucked up. And I was like, Are you serious? That that's what you think. And they were like you, you're reading way too into it. She got she tried to get rid of the pain. She got drunk, and she was high, and maybe she wasn't a nice, and they said, it did sound like from what the family said on that show that it seems like from what they read, or what I've told them that she wasn't a big drinker. But she did smoke pot a lot. It did seem like she smoked a lot. She probably smoked every night to get asleep. Probably relaxer, whatever the drinking she was not used to. And when she drank with that pot, it just that was it. And that's what they think they were like, I mean, and they always think so pragmatically, and I have to say everyone involved in this case that went over the case, all the people that were emotionally invested, just could not accept that Diane had done this at all. I mean, it was stood that's why it was denial, denial, denial, but everybody who was thinking just with their heads, or, or everybody I know or listen to that this is what they did all day, every day. They were just like, she was just drunk, you know. And I guess that's why, you know, the alchi alchi alchi. And it is a mystery, though, because you cannot imagine somebody like that, doing that. And then you think, wow, I mean to be like a perfect person. You can never fuck up because when you do, it's bad. I just have to say that, because I really found this my friend who writes to me back and forth quite frequently, and I very much value her opinion on things. She wrote this and I thought she wrote this. So I mean, this was done so well, the way she were. I wrote it. You know, I was just about to say, I know what happened, you know, and then she wrote this, and I thought, My God, how do you do it? This is what she wrote. I'm pretty sure that it was murder suicide. Something made her snap, have a break from reality. I watched that documentary one night and I think she was blitzed out of her mind. She knew she was blitzed out of her mind. She had that awareness when her niece, Emma called her dad, when they stopped at that bridge, Diane knew that she would be in trouble, if anything, that her brother and sister in law would never trust her again, and that it would get out that she was drunk driving high and drunk with five small children. Diane couldn't handle the humiliation, the shame, the perceived weakness. She had always been in control. Her pride killed four beautiful children, including her two year old daughter, three innocent men and herself pride and ego. I think when the gig was up at that bridge out of anger, she decided to end it. I don't think she wanted to up until that point, when her brother and sister in law hurt her slurring and the kids crying, she knew she was toast that was written so fantastically. I mean, I have to give a shout out. I, I hope Caroline doesn't mind me saying her name, but I just thought that was so excellently written. And then when I read that, it just changed my opinion. Again, I thought that's sounds illogical. I mean, that makes so much sense. And if she was have shot me is, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah. For somebody that could never, never have you put it through somebody who could never be looked upon as weak or not in control in any way. And to be shown to have lost control. And maybe that's why when she was driving backwards, she had that serene look like maybe she had already gone over to the other side, mentally. And just like, That's it, I'm done. I mean, unfortunately, I can see that I can see that all too well. I really was gonna come on here and say I, you know, she was just screwed up. It was just some sort of Dolores delirium brought on by alcohol. And then I read that and now at this moment in time, that's what I think. But this is why this is such a mystery, because and it's such an an ending mystery, because there is no ending and it never will make sense. Where does Stephen King fit into this? I'll tell you where Stephen King is amazing. I will tell you that. I didn't realize I did read this, but I never for some reason I never put two and two together as often my brain sometimes it's fried. I thought this was excellent. This is what Stephen King master that he is. He wrote a short story called Herman Wouk is still alive, and it actually won the 2011 best short fiction, Bram Stoker award, and I see why I I've read this and I didn't know it's actually about the Diane shore case. It's actually based on the Diane shore case. I was looking for some answer to finish this. I wanted to I wanted an answer. Then I started reading about how Stephen King had written I read it and I had forgotten about it but when I read it is brilliant. And it is so fitting for this episode. It's called herbal work is still alive, old friends Brenda This is this enough says and this I got this synopsis off Wikipedia because it's so fitting for this pug is everything for this episode, so fitting for the mystery of Diane Schiller, old friends Brandon Jasmine along with their seven children between them set off on a road trip. After Brenda wins two point 2700 hours on a lottery, they reflect back on their horse childhood and disappointing lives. Meanwhile, Paul, Phil and Pauline two ageing poets and former lovers on the way to a poetry festival at the University of Maine. They stop at a rest area to have lunch together. Soon Brenda decides that their lives are no longer worth living, and that the children are doomed to a pitiful future. Deliberately and with the constant encounter with the consent encouragement of jasmine she crashes a man into a tree near fill in Pauline at high rate of speed. Filling Pauline hurried in the wreckage. But Brenda and Jasmine all the children are dead when a passer by is Pauline What happened? She finally loses her well cultured disposition and asked him what the fuck does it look like and that is the latest Word on the diane schuler case. And my next episodes will be delving into the Wonderland murders. They are unbelievable. There's a couple Philadelphia cases then I rolling around in my head Marie Noe, she killed 10 children and never did any jail time I was gonna look into that. I'm not sure what the next episode will be. It's the next episode will be something in that realm. Or for Christmas because it's Christmas. I might just do like, maybe just like a merry Christmas just to, you know, for Christmas. But otherwise, it's just gonna keep rolling on 2021 we'll start season two. I can't believe it's been almost a whole year that I've done the right show. So with that being said, this is Debbie Q and in listening to the right shoe