Confessions of A Wannabe It Girl
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Make Dating Fun: Your Ultimate Playbook with Jazzmyn Proctor
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Welcome back to Confessions of a Wannabe it Girl. Today's episode we are diving into the world of dating. Now I have noticed I have some friends out there who are still very much in the single game and dating ain't easy. Dating is stressful and you know there's also a lot of underlying issues within dating, because you know some person may feel this way but you don't want to say that and because you're scared to scare them off. Or you know we never know what people's intentions are when coming to dating and it just becomes a lot so like how can we make this just a fun process and enjoying dating? So I am joined by Jasmine Proctor to dive into how to make dating fun.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Confessions of a Wannabe it Girl. I'm your host, marley Fregging, and I'm here to help you filter out all the bullshit and become the next it Girl. This podcast explores the reality of what it really takes to make it out there. As it turns out, it is way less Instagrammable than I thought it was going to be. I'm still very much a work in progress, but there's simply nothing else I'd rather be doing than chasing my dreams. So let's learn from my mistakes and work together to achieve our dreams with more confidence, clarity and direction. Let's get after it, guys. Welcome back to Confessions of a Wannabe it Girl. Today I'm joined by Jasmine, a lovely therapist who focuses on attachment and coaching and relationships, so we're going to dive into making dating fun and all the good things. Well, welcome. So much to the podcast. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me, Marley. I'm really excited to be here.
Speaker 1:Same. I'm very excited for you to be here, because I feel like we don't touch on this topic quite enough, so I want to get into why this became the focus of your work and what your work really entails.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people do, they teach what they know. They teach what they've experienced and so, thankfully, I have had lots of relationships, friendships, dating situationships. I've learned to ebb and flow my feelings and in those learning experiences I've been like, actually I think I really want to support other people in deepening their relationships with others and themselves and kind of demystifying a lot of the struggles that we experience within, especially the dating scene. So I was like I make this my work and it's so meaningful, it's so fulfilling.
Speaker 1:And so, because you lived through it, you felt you could relate, and you went in and studied and did this, and now full-blown therapists take clients to life coaching as well. And something super interesting is you kind of focus on attachments. What, what does that really like? I mean, it's kind of a buzzword we've all heard like oh, what's your attachment style? What does that really mean, though?
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness. So the attachment is more of the scientific word. That just delves into truly how we attach to others as children and so with caregivers. If you are securely attached, you welcome the caregiver and you also explore safely. If you are anxious, you might get anxious when they leave and then not know how to feel when they return. And then avoidant, you avoid the whole thing and we have co-opted attachment into kind of this, like you said, buzzword. It is very much in the mainstream right now but it's much deeper than like, oh, I'm anxiously attached or I'm so avoidant.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of pressure around dating. I think we get in our heads that the idea is always like date to marry, date to settle down, date to find a life partner, whatever it may be. How do we start switching our mindsets? Or maybe look at dating as just something for fun? How would you define dating for fun?
Speaker 2:Dating for fun is allowing yourself to explore your partners, allowing yourself to hurt, to make mistakes and allowing yourself to be present within dating. I think so often we go into date and say I'm here to lock you in, I'm here to get married and build this life, and it's like you're missing out on the experience of dating, the fun of dating, which I think is so exciting, when you allow yourself to just immerse yourself without attaching yourself to any outcome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so true. I mean I hear some of my single friends talk about dating and it seems so serious, and maybe because I have a rose-tinted dating experience that I'm like I have a, you know, rose tinted dating experience.
Speaker 1:That like I'm like, oh my God, no, it seems so fun to get asked out on dates and, you know, treated to a dinner or like, maybe like excitement of texting, but because they've been so long in that whirlpool of it all, they feel more brought down by it and those things you just said. I'm like, wait, that actually just sounds like good things to have if you're dating for fun or if you're dating seriously too. I don't think they're bad either way. So what is some way we can make dating more playful in our lives? What is like a little icebreaker, creative way to make it not so life or death, if you will.
Speaker 2:I think first we have to be honest about the fact that any relationship is an energetic exchange and so we are going to have an emotional response if it ends. I think we go into dating guarding ourselves, wanting to protect ourselves from getting hurt natural for people and so when we anticipate that hurt, we kind of freeze and we don't allow ourselves the space to just be present in the relationship. And so the first thing I would say with dating is to acknowledge that at the end of it you might get hurt, and that's okay. They might not be forever for you, and that's okay. You might. They might not be forever for you, and that's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's very true. And if you know, they're not forever. So so what you know, move on. It's part of the journey and I feel as though it becomes so. Life or death. This could be the one that we kind of don't look to see. Other things going on. I mean it's been a minute since I'm in the dating game. Maybe you could tell me a little bit about what are some common. I don't want to say traps, but maybe pitfalls or stumbles. You see a lot in your line of work.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're unpacking something.
Speaker 2:I think one of the pitfalls in any scenario is the communication. I firmly believe that we use situationships to sometimes be shitty people. We don't treat them as serious, as a serious relationship, and so we go with the flow. But we don't communicate that intention to the other person, and so you might be going with the flow and the other person might be like oh, I'm super invested in you. I think defining the relationship in any scenario that the relationship is, is so valuable If it's a casual dating relationship name that it's not big pressure to name it. But we often avoid, we try to avoid what's spoken and leave it unsaid in hopes that the other person will get the hint. And that's how we create such challenging relationships and that's how the dating just becomes more painful than it really needs to be.
Speaker 1:So would you encourage people first date, first sit down, first text, to be like hey, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2:If they're bold and brave, keep it in your.
Speaker 2:I mean, when I was dating especially on like my Tinder profile, my Bumble profile I would say I am here for a good time, not a long time I knew I couldn't commit, I wasn't ready to commit, I wasn't looking for anybody. So if they were reaching out to me, they already knew what they were going to get. And when I was serious, I was like, yeah, like looking for someone to date, looking for someone to go out with. And so I think with dating profiles especially, there is this space to communicate clearly what our intentions are in the dating space. I think, if you don't want to do it over the first text, maybe the first time you meet up with them, or if you feel the vibe is off to begin with, end it. But we sometimes just drag things out in fear of hurting the other person's feelings. But we're also hurting our own feelings. We're not being fair to ourselves or the other person when we continue something that we're really not meant to be in how does someone start to uncover what their dating intentions are?
Speaker 1:Because I also think the other flip side is I know some people who say they have dating intention to just keep it casual, but like we can all see right through that and like you are not trying to be casual, like you are looking for either like real super casual or high commitment. So how do you actually A define what your intentions are and then B communicate them?
Speaker 2:Honestly, when it comes to dating intention, it has nothing to do with the other person, but it has more to do with ourselves. And so when we think about dating intentions we have to be honest with are we truly emotionally capable of having a relationship with another person? Are we truly ready and available Time, the emotional space, the want to get to know somebody? I think we say, and the mask is, oh, it's casual when deep down, and sometimes your friends can pick it up, Everyone around you can pick it up like, oh no, you're serious. They just haven't acknowledged that within themselves. And so sometimes that incongruence is really just looking at yourself and saying I want something serious, so at least let me secure myself in that first, or I want something casual. Let me secure myself in that first, or I want something casual. Let me secure myself in that first, and then I can communicate that out to the person that I'm with.
Speaker 1:And then I think where a lot of people start to get a little off is trying to guess someone else's intentions. I think it's a sticky conversation. It can be a little awkward, a little scary because of the fear of rejection. How do you really start to ask somebody their intentions with dating if you don't know or if you're choosing not to see it?
Speaker 2:Well, if you're choosing not to see it, that's just denial.
Speaker 2:And so I don't know how much we can help there. But and I always say, like people that I work with, I say when you have all of the information, you can make an informed choice. I feel like we ruminate and we create the scenarios, we create the conversations in our mind and then we wait for them to play out, versus saying this is what I want to know, this is what will bring me peace, let me bring it to the table and then, if they completely reject it, then you have your answer and then you get to do whatever you want. And that's the beauty of knowing is you get to make the choice to stay or you get to make the choice to jump ship.
Speaker 1:Yet why is the hamster wheel cycle to stay when you know the answers of this isn't going to pan out? People do it time and time again.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've done it, I have stayed. I have stayed too long, stayed too short, but I mean we do it because we as humans want connection with other people. That is human nature to be loved, to be seen, to be heard by another human being. And friendships aren't the same as romantic relationships. I think a lot of times when especially other couple people are talking to their single friends, they're like, oh, but you've got us, you've got your friends, and it's like it's not the same thing and you're not helping that person by telling them that. And so we as people want that connection and I think we also fall in love with potential. We fall in love with the idea of what the person could be if they just tried a little harder, if they just worked in one area of their life or the other area. And we attach ourselves to the potential versus what is actually present. And that's how we get hurt.
Speaker 1:Ooh, that is sticky. I love that because we do think a lot about like well, it could work out if we change X, Y, Z, but that's not necessarily going to happen. You can't control somebody else to change. That being said, it kind of pivots back to if we're keeping this in the fun or just enjoying the process even of dating. Have you experienced, or had someone experience, a relationship situationship that didn't work out for the long term but still had really positive effects for the person in the relationship situationship?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I remember in undergrad I was dating somebody and it was extremely casual and we would just do unhinged stuff. We snuck into a park at 2 AM and just walked around and hung out. And she would text me and be like, hey, let's go to this party. And I was like, okay, fine, I'll be over in two hours. Then we'd hang out and we kept it very casual and she would communicate her feelings, sometimes when she was under the influence, and then that's when some of that anxiousness and avoidance started to jump out and I was like I'm confused now I don't know what's going on here. And so when it ended I was like, well, yeah, like I was expecting this to. I wasn't expecting this to go anywhere, but I really it was just so fun, Like I had so much fun.
Speaker 1:Enjoyed the mountains. Yeah, it sounds like you had a great time. I mean sounds like they were lovely and just wanted to explore. And I feel like this goes back to I just think of my single friends, that I hear some of them go out to date, like on dates, and something like this magical may be happening like a fun. You're, you know this magical may be happening like a fun. You're, you know, living life to the fullest eyes, blue and beautiful. But like you're like, well, this isn't end. I'm like, just because it's not the end game doesn't mean it's not wonderful. Why do we poo-poo those experiences so much?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean scarcity too. We like fear that this is the last person that's going to see us, that's going to love us, that this is the one relationship that we are meant to be in, and it's like, no, we're meant to. We're going to grow as people and therefore our relationships are going to change, and unless that person is willing to grow with you, you got to let them go.
Speaker 1:And unless that person is willing to grow with you, you got to let them go and that's that. But yet we are so grasping onto the fear. I mean God, the trauma that is coming back to me is just like oh my God, you're just like. No, it feels like a failure.
Speaker 2:How do we shift our mindset from when a relationship ends of thinking this is a failure, to just seeing a lesson that we might learn from it. Literally just talked about this. I think it's okay that we recognize that we have this feeling that the ending of a relationship is a moral failing. When people get divorced, when we break up even friendship breakups we're like I could have fixed this, what could we have done differently, what could we have done better? I think we have to sit in that discomfort and ask ourselves why do we think it's a moral failing? Why do we feel like such failures when a relationship ends?
Speaker 2:If we did everything we could, if we did try to communicate everything that was meant to be communicated, if we allow ourselves the space to be hurt, to be upset and to be honest about the fact that we are hurt. I think that's how we can eventually let people go with love. It's not, it's going to end and you're going to say whoop onto the next. That's not how that works, but being able to sit and say, man, that sucked, Maybe we could have done X, we could have done Y, and then, moving through those feelings, to then allow yourself to say, wow, I really appreciated that experience and I can move and hold it with love rather than hate or resentment.
Speaker 1:Right too, and then I always love the person that was in their lives at some point or your life at one point and it's like they've become a pillar of, like your conversational content about dating. Like it's always like the resentment so, so strong. How do we convert that into just lessons to help us down the way? Like how do we have reflective perspective towards casual dating, fun dating, and really look at it as just lessons?
Speaker 2:Therapy. I mean, that's like my first talk to somebody.
Speaker 1:Okay, bye, thank you guys so much, there's your answer.
Speaker 2:Talk to somebody. Okay bye, thank you guys. So much there's your answer. Working it out, talking through it with somebody that you trust, especially an objective person that can help you see the relationship from a bird's eye view, is super helpful. So, whether that's a mentor, therapist, a coach, anybody that can support you in looking at your relationships from an outside view can really allow you to see like, oh yeah, the red flags were here all along. We were not meant to be in this relationship. I mean, that's the only way that I personally have been able to have better, deeper relationships with other people is being honest in therapy and saying this is how the relationship played out, this is how they contributed to the ending, but this is how I also contributed to the relationship. I think we don't always like to take accountable for being messy. We don't. We don't take that accountability, and so it's like, yeah, I was messy, I shouldn't have done that, I could have communicated better, and then I get to do it differently the next time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean I agree I haven't gone through a lot of bad relationship breakups and I do talk about it kind of often is I did go through a really bad friendship breakup, and it took me an astounding amount of time to realize how much my messiness played into it too. It might take absence and space from it before you notice it. At least that's how I felt. And then now I really try to look at my relationships I have with friends now, and even in like in my you know relationship relationship of what was not good about that relationship, but it took like a ton of time. It wasn't like hindsight's, 2020, like that and I think allowing yourself to give that much space about it is quite helpful, because just jumping from thing to thing is is kind of scary, and I also think, like, did we really learn? You did say a buzzword, though, and people have got some hot takes about it. Do you believe in red flags?
Speaker 2:Um, I think there are caution signs I won't say red flags. I think we, I think our intuition tells us there are some things that people do that's incompatible. Like, if I am someone that is always on time and I'm starting to date somebody who is late, chronically late, who is late, chronically late, my intuition might say that might not be your vibe, but if I'm choosing to stay, then that's me denying what I'm feeling is not right for me. And so it's not necessarily red flags, but it's us being able to trust ourselves and being able to be honest about what we want out of a partner. I think, because of the fear of not having somebody, the fear of being forever alone, we can loosen up what we expect out of another person. Like there are other chronically late people out in the world. They can date, they don't need to make reservations, they can show up whenever I, on the other hand, I'm like I would like somebody who's at least 10 minutes early and can and can show up to somewhere on time.
Speaker 1:And that's okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe that's it. No, really, truly, I I'm very similar with the being on time thing, but I think that's important. No, it's not like it's a red flag for all. Do not date this person because they have X Y Z flag. It's not like it's a red flag for all. Do not date this person because they have X Y Z flag. It's a red flag for me in this moment currently, and maybe I mean my mom used to be a chronically on time girly. I cannot get her to show up on time ever again. So you know, things change and your red flags or I like what you said caution signs might change and evolve and they're not a blanket term for everyone. Like we probably have different ones, we probably have ones that are a green flag and then might be a red flag for somebody else you never know?
Speaker 1:Do you think it's important to acknowledge a red flag or cautionary signal, even if you're just dating for fun?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause then it's not fun. I think that I still think there is, should be, some level of compatibility, or that you two are on the same wavelength about the expectations and so if you both are on time for something like yeah, hey, I'll meet you at 630. Let's grab a drink. Great, keeping it simple, keeping it very cutesy and moving it right along. It's always so important to communicate that is the number one point that I will always get across that you important to communicate your like. That is like the number one point that I will always get across that you have to communicate what your intentions are, what you want and what you need. Now, if it's a casual relationship, you might not delve into. You know kids, the house, the deeper values and beliefs, and you don't need to but the bare, the surface level. Things are still important how you like to spend your time, what you enjoy doing like. Those need to be compatible in order for the experience to be enjoyable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean not that I'm currently going through this, but somebody who is currently working on being a boundary builder is, I think that not at least recognizing them or at least saying your two cents about something you know isn't going to work for you in the longterm. For me that would be bad practice, like I'd be like oh I'm, I'm giving up practice of what I really want in a relationship down the line. Like I would see that as a moment to really practice expressing what are important to me, even if this is just for fun. I don't see a future, but you know, us boundary builders got to take them all where we can because we've got time to make up on how to build up those boundaries. I want to talk a little bit about, though. Like it can be scary to tell people what your intentions are or what your boundaries are. How do you get over that fear of communication, casually and maybe seriously, like you may know, but you may be so scared to tell them. Like, how do you open that door for that conversation?
Speaker 2:That also goes back to the relationship with yourself with that boundary. So if, let's say, my boundary is I can't be with the person that wears white after Labor Day, like if I am secure enough in that choice and I'm willing to verbalize that out to that person, okay, and the caveat to that is I have to be okay with how they respond. And that's where we try to control the situation. That's where we try to fit it into a box is that we communicate something and then we try to create the perfect scenario where the person responds exactly how we want them to. And that's not always the case. I always well, it's not me. A lot of people say boundaries are supposed to keep you and the other person in mind. It is loving you and the other person at the same time, and so when you're setting that boundary, when you're saying, hey, this is what I need. Hey, I don't appreciate that you didn't check in with me. How that person responds is more a reflection of where they are versus what you are actually communicating to them.
Speaker 1:I love that because I think when we talk about even myself being like working on boundaries, it's kind of selfish, like it's you know, it's for you, it's for your boundaries, but also like you're kind of doing a disservice to whoever you're in a relationship with by not having boundaries, because then they're kind of just shooting in the dark about how they think they can treat you, so you're sending you both up for failure, but we think of it or at least I have thought of it really as just a one-sided street. That being said, seeing you're an expert in attachments and attachment styles, can you give us a little skinny, a little bit of the rundown of attachment styles and then, who tends to have what kind of attachment style?
Speaker 2:I'll start with anxious, because the anxious one is more obvious Perfect, beautiful, welcome. The anxious is a chaser. They're like, because they want that validation, they need to know that they're okay, that they're secure in the relationship. So they're often chasing the validation. They are often checking in to make sure everything's good, everything's smooth, everything's clear. You're like yes, we are checking, we are looking, we are making sure we're good.
Speaker 2:I fall more on the avoidance scale and the reason you don't hear about an avoidant is because they disappear. They don't say it, they will avoid the conversation out of fear of rejection, out of fear of abandonment, and the avoidant is the silent mover. And so often you hear the anxious avoidant pairing and I've started to call it the cat and mouse theory, in the sense that the mouse is the anxious person chasing the avoidant and the avoidant is just moving further and further away and the anxious is like no, come in, come in. The avoidant secretly likes it because it's like oh yeah, you do want me, I'll slowly come back to you, but it's this chase that has to, that has to happen. And that's how I view those two.
Speaker 2:And then the ideal scenario is the secure attachment which I want to debunk here. It is my mission to debunk that. Being securely attached does not mean you don't need anything from anyone. It does not mean you are an independent girly who's got it, who doesn't need to ask for anything. A secure attachment means you can ask for what you need and trust that your partner is going to reciprocate or respond in a positive manner.
Speaker 1:I, I'm, I'm ready, show me, show me these people I need to learn a lot from no and I. But I do think that's important to think because I even like I'll read online and like, secure, I'm just like I don't know anybody like that. In my mind, I might, who knows? I don't think that it takes away your need to, you know, be told good job or, like you know, just checking in on how you're doing, just because you're secure doesn't mean like you don't have a pulse and you still have a heart and want to be told good things and we do really kind of think like, oh, these amazing superpower humans that don't exist. They're still human and they need to hear that. What kind of strategies would you suggest to somebody who is trying to grow in their attachment style or learn to work with their attachment style?
Speaker 2:Allowing yourself to have some awareness of what your tendencies are. So if you find yourself more anxious, needing that reassurance constantly, not trusting what the other person is saying, within that relationship, it's like, okay, am I with the wrong person? Because that can trigger its own attachment style, like our attachment style can ebb and flow depending on the relationship. So if we're not in the right relationship, it will certainly make us want to seek out the person more than we need to maybe or maybe avoid because we're not going to get that need met.
Speaker 2:And so evaluating the relationship and then asking yourself what is this relationship actually giving me? Am I lonely? Am I just literally with this person? Because I just need to be with somebody? That's its own thing, and then you'll accept just as much if that is the case. So I would say one strategy is just allowing yourself to be aware. I know I keep saying communication, but communication truly can debunk any uncertainty or any questions that you might have. And curiosity I think we're not curious enough about our own intentions and relationships, we're not curious enough about the other person's intentions, and so we jump to assumptions, we jump to conclusions, and so allowing ourselves to be curious and explore the relationship openly and being open to the possibility that it might not work out can give us some really good insight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think, even like looking at the healthiest relationships, I think the people that are in the healthiest relationships think like this could end because you don't act like this is forever and it's all chill and we're all dandy it's. You don't act like this is forever and it's all chill and we're all dandy it's. This is constantly takes work, adjustment, um, and seeing what can be changed. As you were talking, a question did pop into my head, though you know maybe I'm thinking like oh, I'm going to anxious attachment style just because I'm an anxious person, do you have to be like an avoidant person to have an avoidant attachment style, or same with anxious or secure? You know cause I think about I mean, I hope the relationship with my fiance. I literally say all the time the reason we work so well is like I don't have fear to just say what I need or want or whatnot, versus in other relationships I would have. Do they have to be like where you're at, mentally as well?
Speaker 2:Absolutely so. A lot of people, I mean, would look at me and say, oh, she's like confident, she'll ask for what she wants. She can do it. When it comes to asking for help, it's so hard for me to ask for help because I am so afraid of being rejected. When it comes to looking for validation or reassurance, I may say a statement in hopes that the other person will validate that statement, but I'm not going to directly ask them to validate that statement, and so it can depend on the relationship and it can depend on where we are. But again, the relationships like, kind of like the relationships bring out different ways of how we attach to other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's not so black and white just because, like you're anxious, you're having an anxious, it's having style and they do have in flow. You know I I don't get me wrong I am somebody who loves the generator, the manifestor, attachment, styles and whatnot, but I don't think it's a complete science. I mean, some people are super obsessed with their astrological signs and I still think they've all got some ebb and flow to them. So, going back to this idea of stepping out and just maybe making dating fun again, make dating fun again, woo. What advice would you give to somebody who'd be hesitant to date for fun because they're they have the fear of getting her or wasting their time?
Speaker 2:You're going to get hurt. But the reframe of the time being wasted is that it's an experience that you get to look back on and say, wow, I got to experience this person for this amount of time. And I imagine, depending on age, depending on life experience, depending on where you are in your life, you might be like on where you are in your life, you might be like no, I got things to do, I got a person to be with, I have a life plan, and that life plan will fuck us every time If we put ourselves on arbitrary timelines that really don't matter except for in our heads, like we make this timeline of how things should look and when they're supposed to happen.
Speaker 1:Once we let that go, then we allow ourselves to be flexible and to be open with dating and I don't want to say it because I feel like it's a catch-22, but it's like usually, when you finally surrender and give it over, it usually works out. But I'm hesitant to say that because people are like I've surrendered, I've it over. It usually works out, but I'm hesitant to say that because people are like I've surrendered, I've given over, and if you know them real well, you'll see right through it. But you truly, mentally, physically, spiritually, life coached and blessed by your mother, have to be there before that actually happens. You cannot fake it.
Speaker 2:You cannot be looking for sure, you can't like have your binoculars out ready at at the grocery store. You're like I'm going to bump into him, like near the apples or I'm going to yeah, I'm at the, I'm at the mall. It's like no it'll. It'll come to you when you're least expecting it, and then that's when you'll be sometimes the most ready. Maybe not, or you won't be ready, but you're willing to figure it out with that person.
Speaker 1:Yes, ah, gaz, you are so wonderful. I love shooting the shit about dating, even though I have so little experience to offer here. You are so wonderful. You need to tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 2:You can find me on Instagram Unilone Wellness LLC. You can find me on threads. I think that's pretty much. I have a podcast All Our Parts. Marley, I would love to return the favor and have you on. I've enjoyed this conversation so much, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for listening to Confessions of a Wannabe it Girl. Don't forget to rate and subscribe to the show. As always, we'll see you next Tuesday.
