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Ep 367: From High School Football Stars to UT Legends: Texas Sports Stories and SEC Challenges
Ever wondered what it's like to transition from being a high school football star to a University of Texas Longhorn athlete? Join us as we dive into the heart of Texas sports, featuring special guest and NIL partner Burt Auburn. We reminisce about our treasured memories growing up in Irving, Texas, and discuss the rich sports heritage that shaped our journeys. Our conversation takes a thrilling turn as we preview the upcoming college softball Super Regionals, where Texas will battle it out against Texas A&M. The excitement is palpable as we celebrate the UT softball team's stellar season, while also addressing the recent hurdles faced by the Texas baseball team in the Big 12 tournament.
Reconnect with the legacy and brotherhood of University of Texas football as we pay tribute to iconic players like Priest Holmes, Casey Hampton, and Ricky Williams. Highlighting the close-knit bonds formed on and off the field, we explore stories of camaraderie that continue to influence our lives today. Find out where some of these legendary athletes are now and how they've chased their dreams beyond the gridiron. Plus, we give a shout-out to our friend Norm in Denver and reflect on the enduring spirit of our football community.
Discover the rigorous world of high school football in West Texas as we share personal anecdotes of grueling training sessions and the relentless pursuit of excellence. From tire-pulling drills to "Pain, Torture, Agony" weightlifting, we delve into the discipline and resilience required to succeed. Our discussion then shifts to the challenges and opportunities for the University of Texas as they prepare to join the SEC, emphasizing the importance of quarterback performance and the passion of SEC fans. Finally, we celebrate the power of hard work, quality time with loved ones, and the positive mindset needed to overcome life's hurdles. Join us for an inspiring episode that blends sports, personal growth, and the journey to greatness.
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Ever wondered what it's like to transition from being a high school football star to a University of Texas Longhorn athlete? Join us as we dive into the heart of Texas sports, featuring special guest and NIL partner Burt Auburn. We reminisce about our treasured memories growing up in Irving, Texas, and discuss the rich sports heritage that shaped our journeys. Our conversation takes a thrilling turn as we preview the upcoming college softball Super Regionals, where Texas will battle it out against Texas A&M. The excitement is palpable as we celebrate the UT softball team's stellar season, while also addressing the recent hurdles faced by the Texas baseball team in the Big 12 tournament.
Reconnect with the legacy and brotherhood of University of Texas football as we pay tribute to iconic players like Priest Holmes, Casey Hampton, and Ricky Williams. Highlighting the close-knit bonds formed on and off the field, we explore stories of camaraderie that continue to influence our lives today. Find out where some of these legendary athletes are now and how they've chased their dreams beyond the gridiron. Plus, we give a shout-out to our friend Norm in Denver and reflect on the enduring spirit of our football community.
Discover the rigorous world of high school football in West Texas as we share personal anecdotes of grueling training sessions and the relentless pursuit of excellence. From tire-pulling drills to "Pain, Torture, Agony" weightlifting, we delve into the discipline and resilience required to succeed. Our discussion then shifts to the challenges and opportunities for the University of Texas as they prepare to join the SEC, emphasizing the importance of quarterback performance and the passion of SEC fans. Finally, we celebrate the power of hard work, quality time with loved ones, and the positive mindset needed to overcome life's hurdles. Join us for an inspiring episode that blends sports, personal growth, and the journey to greatness.
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Speaker 2:There's a purpose behind this um I I don't know how you fit both of our heads in boxes this size, but we have some gentlemen who are part of a really talented group which was part of a really talented city in the DFW. Man, what do you know about Irving, Texas?
Speaker 3:This is outside of Dallas. That's about it. I love Irving man. I remember playing in the old Texas Stadium Cowboy Stadium that was in Irving right.
Speaker 2:Right, it was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we played the Big 12 championship game there against Colorado that we unfortunately lost, so I know a little bit about Irving.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk a lot about Irving. We got two actually Hall of Famers, hall of Halls well, hall of Honor inductees from the great city of Irving, texas, right between Dallas and Fort Worth. And we're going to talk a little bit about the best softball program in the country. You ready, stevie? Let's do it. Let's ride man 366 and counting and I promise our boxes will get bigger here shortly. But, stevie, before we get going, I know you see it all over, but they're friends of ours, they're pretty much family of yours. But what is it about Hargrove Roofing that maybe others don't have the convenience of?
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Speaker 2:Hey, and before we get going, be sure to like and follow each of our social media platforms Instagram, tiktok, twitter, slash X, facebook, youtube. Did I forget any? I don't think so. I hope not. You did. So many man and I'm Gen X, like everyone else that's going to be in this podcast episode. But so many man and I'm Gen X, like everyone else that's going to be in this podcast episode. But, man, college football season is 100 days away. All right, it's quiet right now, all right, and we've got portal activity. But here's what I love We've got a the sweet 16 of college softball the Super Regionals. We got a special matchup coming and Mike White and the UT softball the Super Regionals. We've got a special matchup coming and Mike White and the UT softball program. They're going to be hosting this.
Speaker 4:But now we're in the Southeast Conference starting next year. That probably may not happen until it's a regular season game, which is going to be fun. But they're a great team. They've played well this year. They finished third in the SEC, I believe, so it's going to be a good matchup.
Speaker 2:Texas. All this year they finished third in the SEC, I believe. So it's going to be a good matchup Texas and Texas A&M here in Austin. First two wins. They advanced to the Women's College World Series in Oklahoma City. Real quick. Your thoughts on this? And if people are not aware, texas is the number one overall seed in the country.
Speaker 3:Well, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun seeing the Aggies and the Longhorns play again on the field, in whatever sport it is. But I feel like this softball team is gelling right at the right time and hopefully, man, we put it on the Aggies.
Speaker 2:Hey, you have every right to talk a little smack, but on the other, the other across the Comal, uh, that program's not doing so well because of what just happened in Arlington. All right, big 12 baseball tour Right before we started recording this episode. Texas is done. They're done with the Big 12 tournament 0-2. Had a really late night the night before last and they lost a heartbreaker. I want to go ahead and say it. They're going to be in the regionals. They're filled to 64, but what's your thoughts now? They don't win a game in the Big 12 tournament. What's your thoughts on this baseball team?
Speaker 3:That's tough, man. Do we think that the Big 12 is the best baseball tournament right now? Or baseball conference right now? Third best? You think third best? So we got to go out there and play. Yeah, man, we got to find some kind of way, hopefully, us leaving this Big 12. We got to find some kind of way Hopefully, um, us leaving this, uh, big 12 tournament early to get some rest and, uh, some practice and uh, and get right back to it for regionals. Um, I don't know man, um, something's got to give. You know, we, we, we got to come out and show, show a little bit better and uh, and see what happens, you know.
Speaker 2:That's, we'll see. I mean, I've heard rumors but I'm not a big rumor spreader, I'm not a big believer in it, but I believe her in that. But there could be some changes. I don't know. We'll wait and see on that, because I hate to buy into what I just heard today and I don't want to out anybody on it. But I received a few texts today that there may be some changes. I don't know what that means. It was very vague. Everyone seems to be in the know. Look at this. Now we're back to four. This is the reason why our boxes were so small. We got a special episode and I'm proud to know all these guys. The Irving Texas football pipeline bottom left, vj Boulware and Roderick Walker on the right, bottom right you know they played together came in about the same what 91 to 95. Is that right?
Speaker 5:I came in in 1990. Ninety, yeah, shocked the nation.
Speaker 2:90, yeah shocked the nation, shocked the nation tour and jay uh came in with all of our great friend the uh, jason reeves, um, you guys kind of turned it around, but I think the story right here is. The city of irving, texas, was once the epicenter of college football recruiting.
Speaker 3:This is what I love to talk about with recruits and things like this man, these guys on the screen. They never played. I never played with them, but we can all be friends. We're all friends because of the University of Texas and the brotherhood that we've built at the University of Texas. Like, I'm really good friends with Todd you know, never played with him, y'all played with him. Really good friends with Norm and all those guys and with the church, with Reese and things like that. So we are all friends but didn't play in the same eras. But that's the cool thing about the University of Texas we all come together and do things together as brothers.
Speaker 6:Stevie, what school are you from?
Speaker 3:I went to Evangel Christian in Shreveport, Louisiana.
Speaker 6:Okay, that was your high school that was my high school.
Speaker 6:Okay, okay, yeah. Well, you know, first of all, when you talk about, you know high school football, particularly in Irving. You know there's a number of players that have come from. You know that that neighborhood, huff was from there, delatory. You know Norm, you know Huff, me and Rod are all from the same high school. You know, that's the interesting thing. You know what I'm saying. So we had a nice pipeline of players that went to the university of Texas. I followed Rod coming in. I was an offensive lineman that blocked in front of them. You know, we, we had a team my sophomore year, rod's junior year. That that's in Friday night lights, you know not, not on the right end of it.
Speaker 6:I mean it was so quick, it was a little blurb. You know what I mean. They beat the dog out of us in Odessa.
Speaker 5:Yeah, buddy, they did.
Speaker 6:They beat the dog out of us. But you know, when you talk about high school football and Irving man, we grew up I mean it was a town that had three high schools man, macarthur, irving man, we grew up I mean it was a town that had three high schools man, macarthur, irving and Nimitz. You know I got inducted with a guy you know Bosworth is from. You know an old school players from MacArthur. You know what I mean. And that's where Las Colinas, that's where the Cowboys facility originally was and, like you said earlier, that's where Texas Stadium was and that was the whole talk, the whole time.
Speaker 6:You're growing up, you know in that area, you know what I mean. We want to get to Texas stadium. You know play in that stadium. That's right in our town, right in our city, you know. And you know just welcome everybody in there because we felt like we had an advantage. You know, coming in there because that's that, coming in there because that's where we're from. So to me, that's what high school football in that area was all about. You know it was Friday night lights, man, it was. You know everything that. You know that you can think of football, the pep rallies on Friday closing school down. You know the football team is on the floor and everybody's cheering them on, and you know what I mean. And it's just a different deal, man. And so that's Texas high school football. Rob, what do you say?
Speaker 5:I agree 100%, man. The depth is deep.
Speaker 5:coming from Irving, there's a lot of guys that didn't go to Texas, like Kerry Cooks who went to high school at Nemes with us. He went to Iowa and now is the DB coach at LSU, and so it stretches far beyond the people that are on this screen as far as the talent that came out of Irving. And just even in that district man, the district was tough man. If we would have beat Odessa we would have had to play Carter High School to play against the Jesse Armsteads of Florida and so the Robert Halls of the world. So there was a lot of power coming from the seat of Irving and it was a steady stream for a long time.
Speaker 5:And I remember at Jay's Hall of Fame induction where Brian Bosworth got up and spoke and he said we got to turn the city back around to what it used to be. And you know, we grow up, guys, we move out of neighborhoods. Right, we grew up, we moved away from where we grew up and now we're in other suburbs and raising our kids and going to different schools than what we went to. So that pipeline kind of diminishes a little bit. But for those that are there, I think it's all about developing talent, of course, and getting that going again so we can get these, get the stud bunch back together.
Speaker 5:As a matter of fact, we had we had T-shirts that if you lifted a certain amount of weight, you had stud bunch on your T-shirt. At our high school, and then the top one that everybody was trying to get was the black T-shirt that had g-a-t-a on it, which stands for. It says gotta, and our head coach was one of those odessa men and it stands for get after their ass. And, uh, everybody wanted the gotta shirt. So, yeah, man, there's a lot going on. Man in that, in that, in that era, man in uh, irvin schools, schools in urban school stadiums so I want to run through these photos here.
Speaker 2:I was going to tell you so that you mentioned, uh, jay. You mentioned alex delatory um. He was at steven f austin when I was there, great defensive tackle um, and so his son, alex, played fullback for texas. And they have their youngest son, colt, I believe he's now a lineman at Stephen F Austin. There's, jay has an age of one day since the first day I met him.
Speaker 2:There's Rod playing running back at Texas and I have to say this he could have been one of the best running backs to wear that Longhorn uniform but like so many people, it's a brutal sport. Injuries happen. And then there's our guy, Norm. He was going to I just got to give a shout-out to Norm. He's in Denver, Colorado, right now trying to get on a plane back to Austin. He and Deva Torrey couldn't make it tonight. But there's, the first one is Norm modeling. He was trying to do the backflip off and I had to steal that. You know everybody loves Norm, but a great linebacker, pretty boy Norm man, I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, the number one. But the base of the story is Irving, Texas, you know, right between the two big cities. I don't know how many years straight we're going to say at least a couple of decades of Division I talent. Am I fairly accurate about it? I mean, every year you heard about somebody coming out of Irving Multiple.
Speaker 6:Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know I mean it's just like in the other town. You know it's just football, right? I mean mean there's division one athletes in these towns all across texas. Now you know how successful they are, and this, that the other, it varies just like everywhere else. You know, and you know it's like one thing stevie did that I do agree with you.
Speaker 6:You said I mean all of us that went to school at ut. Man, we share a brotherhood, you know. You know you mentioned a bunch of names of guys that I know Norm and I, norm and I came to UT together. You know what I mean. We were roommates the first year. You know we actually started playing basketball against each other in junior high. We were rivals in the city of Irving. You know, and you know that's just how it is man, just brothers. Through the years. And you know I've watched you guys since I've left there. You guys didn't know who I was, but I was watching you guys from afar.
Speaker 6:It was an honor for me to get back there for a year, just for a year, just to be back on the 40 acres. I've been all over the country coaching football and it meant something for me to do that and that was part of my journey. But as I continue on my journey, man, I still leave that brotherhood behind and I still associate with brothers like Rod, norm, thomas, baskin, jay Reeves when he was alive, that was my dude too and several others. There's countless names, right, you know, you know we were all. I was still there when Ricky was there. You know, priest was my dude, you know what I mean and and we, it's just that it's it's a long line and it kind of ties all together because to me and I say this, and Norm will tell you this too I felt like they had that year that Rod's talking about, shock the nation tour, and that was kind of like the first year in a while that Texas had kind of come back.
Speaker 6:You know what I mean, like to being dominant. They dominated that whole Southwest Conference that year and when we got there, man, it took us some years to really like establish that dominance. Man, we had to recruit some guys and that's when we brought in, you know, and Norm was a big part of the recruiting process we brought in guys like Priest Holmes. You brought in guys like Casey Hampton. You brought in guys like, you know, ricky Williams, right, I mean, it was just a number. James Brown, I mean a number of guys, mike Adams, I mean all these guys that came no-transcript. You know, I really do. You know I'm saying Rod, I mean, I don't know how you feel, but no, I feel exactly the same way, man.
Speaker 5:Uh, you named some great names and the Stoney Clarks and the Tony Brackens. You know that we played with Woo Thomas. Yeah, man.
Speaker 6:You know what I mean? I mean, we can go on and on. Yeah, man. You know? I mean we can go on and on and on. Casey Hampton played the league for what? 13, 14 years.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean.
Speaker 6:You know I mean Tony Brackett's played in the league forever, right, you know what I mean. Westbrook was what a third pick at DB at corner. And then you had all those other guys that came on after him, like Jammer, and you know you just go right down the list, man. I mean it was like a steady flow of those players coming through Texas for a long time.
Speaker 3:When I came in as a defensive tackle man looking back and I did look up to Casey Hampton and Sean Rogers, that's another one he brought in. Yeah, and guys like that. But then you look across the line and that O-line was killer stellar man yes, with Mike Wiggins, brock Amar, leonard Davis yeah, that's kind of my era when I was coming in, they were moving out, so I remember it was big, big offensive linemen back then. Yes.
Speaker 6:I was there when Big Wortham came in that's what I used to call it. I was there, that's how close we were to touching each other. You know what I mean. Yeah, you know I was there when Casey Hampton came in. You know I remember being the GA that year and checking the dorm and Casey Hampton was in his. Everybody else was in the dorm room playing video games. Casey Hampton was in his dorm room with his shirt off doing sit-ups. You can imagine what that looked like to me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You know, the cool thing about it is, first, that we're all here to talk about this. That's number one. We got to wake up today and talk about this and you know, I love hearing everyone's stories and how long we've all been friends, but also, at the same time, where is everybody now? And Stevie, you and I talk about this, what we once were, and the people we know, what they've become Like. Jay, and we'll talk about it in the second segment some more.
Speaker 2:He followed a dream to be a college football coach. He's done a hell of a career. He's coached at his alma mater as a GA, I mean. There's several stops along the way at Oklahoma Great story there, and I'm just speeding through it and now in the SEC. He's been in the SEC before at Auburn, but now at Kentucky with another Stoops. And then you've got Rod. He is and correct me on the title, rod, but you're leading the way for the NFL alumni chapter in San Antonio and Austin and you're helping and I don't want to use the term older people, but adults have a healthy life. Man, you're still. All you do is give back to people, and you're a dad too, as well as Jeff.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's a great feeling, man, to be able to do that. I'm the director of player relations for the NFL Alumni Association for I call it South Texas, now central to South Texas and former NFL Players Association president for the Austin San Antonio chapter. And so, yeah, what I do it's all in encompassing what I do it's all in in in conferencing. I help former players with their benefits and help them the the younger guys that come out who want to know how to be get back into the community. If they want to go back to school, to college, get their degree, if they want to start a foundation, they want to, you know, get healthy, whatever it is that they need, you know, I'm kind of the guy that helps them find that direction of where they should go.
Speaker 5:As far as, with the NFL Alumni Association man we have, it's a foundation, it's a nonprofit, so it's called Caring for Kids, Caring for Our Community and Caring for Our our own. So three major things right there that I just love, love, love doing. And, of course, helping helping people live longer, longer lives with their health. So being able to help people with their weight loss and muscle tone, being able to help the youth get faster and get stronger in any sport. It's always a blessing to me. And then, on top of that, man, I got my own tequila coming out in a couple of months, so I got my hands dirty, but they're clean but they're dirty.
Speaker 3:That's good stuff, man.
Speaker 2:The name of the tequila can you mention that?
Speaker 5:Absolutely, it's called Dos Cuernos. Dos Cuernos, you sounded like a native when you said that Dos Cuernos, and it stands for two horns.
Speaker 3:Ah Ah, I like it, I like it.
Speaker 2:I like it a lot.
Speaker 3:Hey, I wanted to ask a question, man. You know, when I was in high school I was at Adventure Christian and we went 60 and 0. I never lost a high school football game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they recruited.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:No, we didn't.
Speaker 4:Hey Steve.
Speaker 5:Lee, did y'all get some guys from Ringo to come up there and play Some Ringo From Ringo, ringo Louisiana you ain't never heard of that oh no man, we did not recruit guys.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you Is. Jabar Jalouk from there Is.
Speaker 6:Jabar Jalouk from that school.
Speaker 3:Jabar Jalouk no.
Speaker 6:Okay, is that? Where did D Lou go there?
Speaker 3:No D.
Speaker 6:Lou I think. D Lou down south.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's from Baton Rouge. I believe he's from Baton Rouge. Yeah, I believe so. I thought it was correct. That's accurate. Yeah, and Major Applewhite and Greg Brown, they're all from Baton Rouge yeah, okay yeah, I knew. Major was yeah, I knew he was so the people that came in from Evangel are Cole Pittman okay who passed in that car accident? Yes, sir, his little brother came after me, me, and then Phillip Geiger came DB from New England Okay.
Speaker 3:Oh, and then we had a kicker also, I can't remember his name Come on, man, you're talking to a special teams coordinator.
Speaker 6:You can't remember the kicker. I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I was always mad at the kickers. They didn't do nothing in practice, bro, but what I was getting at is so people always ask how did y'all go 60 and 0? It really was our work ethic. I want to know how you guys had a pipeline coming from Irvin to come down to Texas and what did y'all contribute to the success for those guys going to D one schools?
Speaker 6:You talking about from the high school level?
Speaker 3:High school yeah, From y'all's high school man.
Speaker 6:I really think you know, for us that's what that was, kind of the fabric of what we were made of. You know what I mean it was. It was hard work. You know our, our head coach, you know, being from West Texas, like Rod mentioned, I mean they, they were some ball coaches. The core of our coaching staff were ball coaches that were from Odessa, that grew up in that type of environment that you know they lived that life and they loved on us and man, they pushed us through. I mean our. I mean when we got to Texas it was easier, it was. You know what I'm saying. It was like man, they pushed us through. I mean when we got to.
Speaker 6:Texas. It was easier. You know what I'm saying. It was like man, what y'all doing. You know what I mean. We killing it. You know what I mean Every day. You know Matt drills. You know running those curves, man. You know what I mean. Everybody, big dudes, small dudes, it didn't matter. Pulling tires, you know plyometrics, you, and tires, you know plyometrics, you know it was it waits, it was intense.
Speaker 6:It was an intense off season man, from the time we started to the time we ended, and then it was a physical brand of football that we played. You know, downhill, run the ball, stop the run, type stuff, you know. And so that that type of mentality, I think lended itself to success at the next level mentality, I think, lended itself to success at the next level. You know Rod was one of those highly recruited. You know what I mean. He could have went anywhere. Rod was probably one of the top running backs in the state the year that he came out and he didn't even play his senior year, you know, and you know I had to go there and fight my tail off. I wasn't highly recruited but by the time I finished my freshman year I was playing right next to Brock and Meyer. They pulled Brock and Meyer out in a game and put me in there, which I don't know why.
Speaker 2:They did that, you know because that boy from Bailey can continue to whoop my butt just like he did.
Speaker 6:Brock's, you know, shoot. Both of them boys played the league for a long time and they was ready for our red shirt freshman behind. So, uh, anyway, uh, but yeah, but that's that's what we had, man, and that's what we did, and not this thing, for just speaking from our school, I can't speak for mech author and irving high right, I can speak for nimitz, and I just felt like that's the type of mentality that we had in our program.
Speaker 5:The thing the thing that I'd like to add to that is, like what Jay said hard work, man, that's what it was. And they pushed us. They pushed us but they loved on us. Now we didn't want to. We had a rope around our waist and and a tire at the end of that rope and we had to run 200 yards around a cinder, a dirt track with that and like relays it was relays we had to run 200 yards, hand that rope and tire off to somebody else so they could run 200 yards, and because we're competing against the people that are on our team, that pushed us, because we didn't want to lose and we want our team to lose, and so that was the hard work that we did, bunny hopping from one sideline to the other sideline. You know what I'm saying? That was the crazy, crazy workouts that we did.
Speaker 5:We had a thing called PTA stands for pain, torture, agony, where we lift weights and it's not heavy weights, lightest weight possible but you got to lift it a million times in like 60 seconds and then rotate to the next one. I remember I was hurt. One day. They did this PTA and I walked, walked in the weight room and there was trash cans everywhere and I'm like what kind of weight, what kind of workout is this? But by the time they got started and halfway through it, I saw why the trash cans were there because everyone was throwing up, yeah, you conveniently missed them.
Speaker 6:It was duly noted that you conveniently missed them. Since we're telling old stories, let's talk about that stuff. You know what I? Mean oh, I just happened to walk in there and I was hurt that day.
Speaker 5:Hey. Stevie Lee Like it wasn't on the calendar, stevie Lee, one time. Well, I messed up my knee and the doctors told me don't run sprints anymore. At the end of practice you ride the stationary bike when it's time for them to run sprints. Man every time it was time for them to run sprints back across that field. I went and sat on the bicycle. And they used to be mad at me, man.
Speaker 3:Well, let me ask you this Did the doctor tell you that directly or did he tell your coach that? He told the coach that as well, oh, he told okay, I was going to say I'll see the fact. Check him, man.
Speaker 6:Let me tell you, dog, check him him. Man. I'm just telling you Rod was missing a bunch of stuff, man, you know how they treat them running backs man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, it's natural, Rod you also. I'm sorry, Clint, but Rod, you wore number three right and my senior year at Texas.
Speaker 5:I went through a gamut of numbers In high school. I was 21 the whole time and we went to the playoffs my junior year and went three rounds deep and, you know, played in the Texas Stadium in those playoffs, knocking off the Arlington Coast, knocking off Trimble Tech all these schools that were top in their area as well and then only to go to West Texas and play against Odessa and lose that game. But yeah, I wore number 21 then and when I got to Texas, 21 was already taken, so I just sat and waited. I wore 24 all the way up to my senior year and then switched to number three.
Speaker 3:Got you. I was going to say, man, something about the running backs at Texas. And number three, man.
Speaker 5:I agree with Sean Mitchell after me, oh.
Speaker 3:Sean and Hodges Hodges Hodges, mitchell Hodges.
Speaker 5:Mitchell yep Dallas.
Speaker 2:Skyline Dallas, Skyline right Yep.
Speaker 3:And then who else was it? I forget Chris Obaniah.
Speaker 5:Obaniah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, played for the Rams for a few years, man, so at number three in running backs at the University of Texas, kind of special man, so that number three in running backs at the University of Texas is kind of
Speaker 2:special man, special baby. Yeah, so we mentioned so just before we move forward. I know it was briefly mentioned, but you've got two Irving ISD members of the Hall of Honor, the J Bullware, and then Roderick Walker and Norman Watkins was inducted. You know they've got to get Delatore in there, amongst others at some point. But, jay, you briefly mentioned it Brian Bosworth, who was brilliant beyond his years at marketing his own brand while he was at Oklahoma for MacArthur. Well, he was a commitment to he committed to Texas A&M. Well, I want to show you all something about your Irving brother. In an interview a few years ago this was funny Right in front of Coach Switzer. He was talking about when Switzer came to MacArthur. You know most coaches when they visit high schools they wait in the office or the coach's office. No, switzer found his way to the cafeteria, heard the story at the this is a story at the hall of fame.
Speaker 7:Go ahead, I'm gonna ruin it go ahead, let's go babe, and I'm sitting in my high school cafeteria and there's 3 000 kids in my school, so there's a thousand of us, and you know, in the cafeteria and I'm looking across and I see this go ahead, son, this cat walk in in a full-length mink coat and I take it and I go. It can't be. It can't be, because all the other coaches would come and they'd pull me out of class and take me in here. He comes and he calls me out hey, where's Bob? Where's Bob? And I go oh, no, no, no, and he's got the rings on. I know you want one of these. I know you want one of these. You don't get it at A&M.
Speaker 2:You heard him. He said you're not going to get a ring at A&M.
Speaker 6:Yeah, hey, bosworth said. Bosworth also added to that. Maybe he was getting back at me and Rod, but he also added that you can go to Texas and win conference championships or you can come to Oklahoma and win national championships. Wow.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 6:Verbatim from. Bosworth about Texas.
Speaker 3:You know the funny story last week I was with his nephew, kyle Bosworth, who played with the Jacksonville Jaguars, and he said that Brian was a piece of work man.
Speaker 2:He's a crazy dude man, he is that's pretty cool, hilarious, yeah yeah, fellas, how we do this, how we end every first segment, especially with fine Americans like yourself. There's been some, I want to say, stevie. There's been some legendary stories told. Some probably may not have been revealed on other platforms, but we're grateful they have. We'll start with you, rod. Is there a man Cave story from your Irving Nimitz days or with your Irving Texas boys while you were at Texas, that you would love to share with us?
Speaker 5:I can do a couple of really quick ones, even though Norman went to Irving High and he had a group of friends over there, a lot of great guys that we're still friends with. And then the Nimitz guys myself, our quarterback, stefan Johnson, jay and a few others, even though we were rivals and we would get ready to play each other on Friday night, but on Thursday night we all hang together at the barbershop because we all got our hair cut at the same barbershop. So the lady who owned the barbershop, while we're all in there, would say who gonna win tomorrow night? And that started the biggest debate in the world, because we all thought we was gonna win that game. Uh, but uh, we would talk so much trash, so much noise. And then on the day of the game, or once we had the game, we're talking all that noise. As soon soon as the game is over, the statements are hey, man, what are we going to do tonight? Man, we're going to get together. I mean, it's like we're the best of friends right after that game, Every time, every time. And so that obviously led to some bonding. Man, it's led to some bonding.
Speaker 5:The other story is me and Norman. We've been competing against each other for a long time. And then track season came and I ran a 10-300. And Norman was fast as hell for his size and I think he was close to a 10-3 as well. And one thing that my coach did, man, he made me run the mile relay. And that was something that you know. Know, just, I was a 100 200 sprint relay guy and this dude made me run the mile relay and norman ran the mile relay. So on this particular third leg day, norman gets the baton, I get the baton. It's like almost neck and neck and I just take off, man, I'm gone. My whole thing is just get it over with run as fast as I can until I get tired and can't run no more.
Speaker 5:And I take off, man, and I probably got Norman by like 10 yards, you know, coming around the last curve and we got on these spikes and it's a little concrete on the edge of the track on the inside and we're going and we're going and I hear the crumbling of spikes and concrete. So I said, oh my Norman must have fell to the inside. So as I look to the inside, I'm in lane one. As I look to the inside, I don't see that he had fell. But as I turn my head back forward, norma's ass is passing me up and he's saying come on Rod, come on Rod, come on Rod, but I knew that there was no more Rod left in me. He got the best of me on that day, man. That was our competition, though, man, and we'll go hang out and have a good hamburger right after that that's good.
Speaker 2:How about?
Speaker 6:you, jb. Well, you know, man cave stuff for me always falls back into my line of work and and if I had, you know, to leave you with anything from a man cave point of view, you know I would leave you to, um, my year I spent, uh, with mike tomlin at pitts view. You know I would leave you to my year I spent with Mike Tomlin at Pittsburgh. You know he said something to me that is just really touched me in a special way in terms of how I go about, you know, treating my players to this day, which is, and not just my players, just really everybody. You know he said that Tony Dungy told him and them as a staff, that you know, every day he would try to, you know, make the people in the buildings day better. He would try to do something to improve everybody's mood, everybody, you know, to give life to them to speak. You know, speak life into them to make them feel good. You know what I mean to speak. You know, speak life into them to make them feel good. You know what I mean. And he literally told us man, I sit out of my car for 20 minutes before I walk in this building and think about what I can do for the people in this building and I was the recipient of that one time and he left me a note on my desk, man, and I mean I just remember how I felt. You know what I mean. I mean Mike Tomlin left me this note, man, you know, since you've been here, I really appreciate everything you've done. You've been a rock star, you know. Thank you for the relationships you've established in the building. You know that type of language man, and it just really picked me up. You know what I'm saying and I just feel like now, going forward, you know, and just you know that positive vibe man giving that off to the players and letting them feel that and the confidence, and I just think it's something to that man and that's why that band is, you know, great. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6:And the other part, you know the two things I was, you know that was one. The second thing is man, I was able to do something like that from a situation where people might look at man, that's a negative right. So I go to Texas and I'm not kidding man Lincoln Riley's telling me don't go to Texas, jay, you're going to get fired in a year. Well, they gave me a three-year deal and I went to Texas and, yeah, we did get fired in a year, but because I had that three year deal, I was able to have the biggest experience in my life, my professional life.
Speaker 6:You know that's a positive. You know, count it all. Joy James wanted. That's my life. Now you know what I mean and those two things. You know I gathered that from what some could look at as a negative, that from what some could look at as a negative, it's a blessing in your life. You don't realize what things are. So that's my man Cave Juice that I'm going to give, and I just feel like those two things are just who I'm going to be going forward from now on.
Speaker 2:That's good stuff, man, from both of you, man. And, by the way, Jay, I know how frequent it is, but he has his own podcast too.
Speaker 6:Not frequent at all.
Speaker 2:You don't have time, you don't have much time.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so I'm just plugging away, man doing what I do we all need lessons from Van Malone.
Speaker 2:I don't know how he finds time. He interviews some of the most influential people in the business.
Speaker 6:He does, he does, he does, he does a good job. He's doing a great job of that man, he's keeping up with it, I mean, but he's got a staff of people that are helping him with that. You know, I'm solo dolo. You know what I mean? Hey, I can relate. Man. Yeah, solo dolo is different man. Solo is different man that was fun this first segment.
Speaker 2:We're going to take a break and I'm going to try to break a record. I'm going to go use the men's room during this break. I'm going to see if I can get it done in 55 seconds because we're going to take this quick break and give a shout-out to Hargrove, ruby and the other side. We're going to find out a little bit about the SEC that Jay knows a lot about now and we're going to find out, possibly, who the real UT is. All right, that's on the other side of this break.
Speaker 4:Here at Hard Grow Roofing we try to think outside the box, to kind of get the creative juices flowing. So I brought in my friend Stevie Lee, former defensive tackle for the Texas Longhorns. He's going to help the team strategize, really motivate them, light a fire.
Speaker 3:This guy's going to block the team. Strategize really motivate them. Light a fire this guy's going to block down. This guy's going to block down. You put your butt into the guard and that way my Mike linebacker gets free to do what.
Speaker 4:Not only are they going to learn a thing or two, but they're going to also leave with a great attitude and a bunch of smiles on their faces.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. What does this have to do with roofing exactly? Get out.
Speaker 5:Right now I said get out.
Speaker 4:For me, that's what it's all about. It's just having fun making our employees have a great time. Hargrove Roofing Know who's on your roof.
Speaker 8:Graduated to. I don't know if y'all said that, but I graduated yeah.
Speaker 2:The real UT, real UT. You know education. Well, it's a great school.
Speaker 3:Great, it's a great school. Great it's a great school. Better school, yes, better school. No, don't do that. Do you know where you are now? I know where I'm at. I still bleed orange Burnt. Is that real orange Burnt orange? You think that's real orange. Yeah, most definitely yeah, I was before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Glad you're coming to a real conference now.
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, we're going to run it Long horn, fuck them.
Speaker 2:Hey Devondre, the biggest character, maybe the best rookie with a sense of humor Tennessee Titan, by the way. I got that done Two of the men's room and back in 29 seconds there you go.
Speaker 5:That's good flow, good stream there you go man, keep doing what you're doing, keep drinking what you're drinking. That's right.
Speaker 2:That's right. When we get off tonight, just go back, that's right.
Speaker 4:First off.
Speaker 3:When we get off tonight, just go back and wash your hands. There's no doubt.
Speaker 6:Oh no, there's no doubt, because it didn't get done, you are not COVID safe right now.
Speaker 2:It's a walking bacteria in this office. Jb first off to Vondre you know you're in this office. Jb first off to Vondre, you know you're in SEC country. This is your, I think, second stint as a coach in SEC. I mean, obviously he's doing that out of humor, he's in Nashville, but that guy is a good representative of the brand.
Speaker 6:It's not out of humor, it's. It's factual, you know, and it just is what it is. And I gotta be careful, you know I still have my allegiance, you know we we come in the daryl k this year, you know what I mean. So it's I got a little bit different vibe going on in that regard, but it's still factual. He bleeds orange burnt, orange Burnt, not that other stuff that has the Oklahoma Sooner quarterback their head coach. So you can say what you want to say, but we all know who I'm talking about. Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 2:Rob your take on Devondra. I mean the real UT. This is going to be great SEC. You've got both the UTs a large conference. I mean this debate's never going to end.
Speaker 5:Let me ask you a question Does Tennessee have a? What's their sign? Do they have a sign? You know we have the hook them horns. Do they have anything?
Speaker 3:I think is it a volunteer? Is it that?
Speaker 6:What is that? A ball, yeah.
Speaker 5:Tennessee volunteer. You can't do that. They be calling time out. They do it like that. But it's simple. It's very simple, man, who do you hear about the most? I don't hear about Tennessee, like I hear about Texas. Wherever I go, and even if I am somewhere and I say Texas or I play there, Texas, I mean people light up. You know what I'm saying, Because it's a wonderful state and people understand that it's the grimy state. You know what I'm saying. People come here and they work hard. We went to Alabama this year and Alabama's airport had to move some planes around for us because the private jets that were coming in were bigger than those that they've ever seen before. So they had to make space for these Jets. So whether we go into Tennessee or they come in here, we're going to have enough. Of enough to show them who the real UT is.
Speaker 3:No question, Coach. We're coming to the SEC. I know you got to. You have your alliances and things like that. How do you see the University of Texas competing in the SEC?
Speaker 6:That's an interesting question because the landscape is changing right now, as you guys well know, in college football, the transfer portal era has changed everything, you know, and I don't think teams have truly settled into who they are and are not and how consistent is it going to be? I mean, any consistency is consistency right now, in an era that's just been going on for a few years, you know. And so I mean I think Texas has a really good team. I think I think Sark has done a really good job recruiting there. But you know it's like Rod mentioned. You know here's the thing that people in in in the big 12 or people at Texas and Oklahoma don't realize, just like Rod doesn't really know. And nothing against anybody, but I mean that Tennessee team was 10 and 10 and two. Last year they beat the Alabama team that beat Texas the year before at Alabama. You know what I mean. They, you know they've done a good job. There's some really good football teams in this league and they jockey back and forth. You know. You know what I mean Because there's there's a number of story programs, there's not just a couple, if you understand what I'm saying in terms of you know football, you know Tennessee's had a rich tradition of football, you know, in an era at, you know, back in the day, you know, just like Florida has, just like Georgia has, just like you know what I mean Just like Alabama has, just like LSU, I mean, the list just kind of keeps running.
Speaker 6:You guys know what I'm saying, you, as, just like LSU, I mean the list just kind of keeps running. You guys know what I'm saying, you know what I mean. And so it's not like you're looking out for you know, man, I'm looking down the road because we got to play OU. Or if you're at OU, you're looking down the road because you got to play Texas, right? You know, when you step on the field, they're going to look like you and they're going to have guys that can run like you you know what I mean and they're not going to be void of talent where you can just bully them at any point in time and if you don't bring your your lunch pail that day, you're going to get your butts kicked. And that's really, in essence, what you know you got to do in this league weekend and week out. You know you have to. And I'm not saying that the big 12 is not tough. What I am saying is you know that the Big 12 is not tough.
Speaker 6:What I am saying is you know Rod talks about jets flying into these little airports. You know, man, you know in this league they ain't bringing jets, they bring in RVs and they pulling in on Thursday night it ain't Friday, it ain't Saturday, the day of the game. They pulling in on Thursday. When you come to school on Friday, it's full of people, you know, that are there for the game. You know what I it's like. You walk around, it's like what the heck is going on. They didn't close down the parking lot for campus, for the, for the students. You know you got to find another way to get in. You know what I mean. So it's just different, man, it we don't and I say we because I didn't, until I, until I went to that league and went and ran the gambit one year in that league and won it all. Uh, we don't understand the intensity, you know, of the fans that are there. You know when the in, how much they really support their teams and when. You know, you know what I mean from the start to the finish. It ain't like a fashion, you know. Hey, you know it's what they do. It's 24, 7, 7 days a week. It's all they care about. They don't have anything else.
Speaker 6:All these towns are 30, 000, 40 000 people. They got these small airports. You know what I mean. It's not a big town, you know. Austin is the largest town in the sec now and it was vanderbilt in nashville. I mean it's between those two right and then, and then after that it was us in kentucky and we have 300k. You know that's the next biggest, you know. And then everything else goes down from there. Auburn was like 20 30k, tuscaloosa is like 60 70k. Athens, georgia, is like 60 70k. You know what I mean. And you get around these small college towns that really and truly broad, feel like old school, high school, texas, high school, football, where, where you pull into one of these towns, man, and you didn't, you didn't ran into a beehive.
Speaker 6:You know it's gonna it's gonna be packed and it's gonna be loud, man. It's gonna be louder than all those stadiums that you run into in the in the big 12, in the in the pack 12. You know you're gonna run into some in the big 10, but you know you're not gonna to run into some in the Big Ten, but you know you're not going to run into very many in the ACC. There's some, but they're week in and week out in this league, man, and it's just crazy. I'm just telling you it's educated fans. They understand the game, they know when to cheer, every single moment. You know of big plays.
Speaker 6:You know, what I mean, it's just they're into the game, and so that's going to be a little bit different. It's like playing at A&M every week.
Speaker 3:I remember, when I was being recruited, going to those SEC games they do go in on Thursday and those big $2 million coaches yes, those are really really nice. You're exactly right. The other thing, man. I go to church here in North Austin and my pastor was a quarterback at OU. And so he and I have been Eric Moore. He and I have been debating on who has the harder schedule going into the Big 12. I'm sorry going into the SEC?
Speaker 6:Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So my argument is they put us in with a bunch of our rivals, right? So we got three rivalry games on our schedule next year. They have Tennessee, like you mentioned, and they have Alabama. Personally, I don't think Alabama is going to be Alabama Nick Saban's gone, and you know and they lost some players and lost a couple of players to us. So you know South Carolina, auburn, I don't know. I think the hardest schedule is the University of Texas, because we got the OU game, which is a rivalry game. We got Arkansas, which is a rivalry game. A lot of people are not talking about that, and hey.
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody hates Texas more than the folks in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Seriously, no question, and that was the worst game I've ever been to in my life.
Speaker 3:Man as a fan in.
Speaker 2:Fayetteville, Arkansas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then we got banned for the last game for Thanksgiving, you know.
Speaker 6:But it's like that every week. That Fayetteville, arkansas stadium, that's what you're going to get every week. Every one of these stadiums that you go into is going to be a hostile environment. Yeah, every one of them. You know what I mean, except for Vanderbilt. I'm just, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2:And they're going. They're still in a temporary situation right In Vanderbilt.
Speaker 6:They were last year when we went there and it was awful. But I'm just saying you know it's not going to be, I don't care if they didn't change it, it ain't going to be hostile there, you know. That's just not what they're about. You know not to say that they're not going to fight you. You know they, they do a great job too, you know, and, and they're going to fight you. They got some good looking players. We took their running back last year and, and, and he and he ended up going to the league. So I'm just saying they, they got some dudes. Uh, I, I don't. You know who has the harder schedule. You're right, stevie. I mean, is Alabama going to be the same? No, but who knows what they're going to be like? I mean, it's not like they're void of talent. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:They're still going to be a good-looking football team. They're still going to come out and bring their wood, I mean regardless of who's coaching them you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6:I mean I don't know what they're going to look like. I don't think anybody does, so I don't know if you can say one way or the other. You know, in terms of that game, I do think this you know Oklahoma, having you know Ole Miss, is sneaky good. You know what I mean. Missouri was really good last year. You know what I'm saying. I mean they were the up and comers and just like Tennessee was the year before. So you know that's a tough schedule for them. I mean, at Auburn I coached there. At Auburn I won a national championship. I'm just going to tell you, man, you know Stevie, again, you're from Louisiana, right? You know, man, there is nothing like it when that eagle flies around in that stadium before that game and they're screaming whoa and it's real A&M-like. And then they scream eagle. I mean it is 90-something thousand pack screaming at the same time.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean that?
Speaker 6:is a tough, tough game for them. I'm just going to tell you that's not an easy place to play.
Speaker 3:I'm really looking forward to playing in the SEC man. You have that, the War Eagle at Auburn, but I also love you know I got a little purple and gold in me because I'm from. Indiana. I love. Mike Tiger down there. I love I went to a Georgia game. I actually in high school have been recruited by Georgia and Jim Donnan.
Speaker 6:Between the hedges, Between the hedges man.
Speaker 3:Right before they kick off they say sick them.
Speaker 6:They be barking in there, man you didn't think you'd win until you know, yeah, you didn't think you'd win until a Q-Dog party or something you know.
Speaker 5:Dude, it's going to be a lot of fun in the sec. Man, hey, it is. It is fun. Hey, what I do, what I do know and what I do understand, that I don't care who it is, texas is going to feel it. They're going to get welcomed every week by the next team because, of course, we're texas, right, they're going to get, they're gonna. They're to have to be ready. They're going to have to be prepared. They're going to get woke up by some of these teams. I know that for a fact. I watch these teams. They're grimy and they're used to it. They're used to the SEC. Right, we got to come in there and fill it out and find out our footprint, or make our footprint.
Speaker 6:Yeah, stark's done a great job. He's going to have those guys ready to go. You know what I mean. And it's a fight guys. I'm just telling you all right now, it will be a fight every single week and you're going to have to bring it every single week and that's just the way it is Because, you're right, none of these teams are intimidating. You've got to have to bring it every single week and that's just the way it is because, you're right, none of these teams are intimidated. You got to realize.
Speaker 6:Most of these teams have been playing Alabama and Georgia, who've won the majority of the national championships in the last 10, 12, 15 years. Whatever, you know what I mean. I mean they're playing these guys every year and knowing and we all know what they have, right, you know, you've seen those teams, man. They've been that way for a decade. You know what I'm saying. It is what it is. Before that they were beating the Florida team, they were playing the Florida teams that were winning. It's just a lot of teams that have come out of this league and won national titles. It's not a hey, this team is a historic program. We're intimidated by it. It's like bring it on. We welcome this team coming in here. We want to shut y'all up. You know what I mean. We believe that we can shut. We got the ability to shut y'all up. The majority of the defensive players that go into the NFL draft year in and year out come out of the SEC 100% they do.
Speaker 2:This is the time of year where everybody, from people like us to all media outlets they just come up with random polls. This is one of them the SEC post spring football power rankings. We'll have it a little easier than Texas because, jay, you and I have both been there. You've been on the inside. I was knocking on the door, I couldn't get inside, but what I mean by that is there's going to be so much more hatred towards Texas wherever they go, and everybody's going to be up, Not saying that they're not going to be up to play Oklahoma.
Speaker 2:There's just something about Texas that everybody hates, and Jay I'll start with you, rod, and then back to Jay, and I'd love to hear Stevie tell me this, and it's going to be hard. You don't have. You can plead the fifth on this, jay, but I kind of feel like Oklahoma's at a crossroad here because they're trying to rebuild their roster with SEC-style linemen. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like OU has entered a portion of their program of mediocrity as they go into the SEC. Is that fair?
Speaker 5:I wouldn't count OU out, because they're going to still have some talent over there and shit, the majority of that talent comes from this state and they're smart and they're hungry and they're going to be just like us. They feel like they have something to prove when they go into this SEC. Yeah, I feel like we had to help them financially to get their ass over there, but I think they're going to be ready. Man, and I don't know man, it's going to be hard for me, it's hard for me to picture them. Yeah, they're rebuilding, but knowing that we're going into the SEC or that they're going into the SEC, I'm pretty sure they're going to be more prepared than what we're giving them credit for right now. Right now.
Speaker 6:No, I don't know what Oklahoma has in their locker room. They had an offensive lineman that was drafted pretty high this past year.
Speaker 6:From here, yeah, from there, exactly right. So I mean, and you know they had a big-time D lineman, you know that they had. All I know is this man, those places, you know they're going to have some guys, just like Rod said. I mean, I don't know what anybody really and truly has, including Texas. I knew what Texas had when they had those two big DTs that were there when I was there back in 2020. You know what I mean. I mean those boys, devondre, sweat and Byron. I mean they've been there for a minute, right, and so I can. I can speak on that, you know. I can speak on Jalen Ford. I can speak on on on all those guys, man, that were playing in that secondary, because they were all there when I was there, but I can't speak on who they have now.
Speaker 6:This is four years later, right, this is a different football team. Now, you know, I don't know who they recruited behind those guys that are going to be good enough. I mean, if Alfred Collins is still there, ok, I know what he looks like, right, you know. But after that, who else you know? And so it's going to be a different Texas team than what we've seen before, because last year. Let me just tell y'all what. And Stevie, you know this. I mean man, it was stout up in that middle dog, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6:I mean that they look like an SEC defense. You know what I mean, like an all you know those are the defenses that win national championships in the SEC when you're stout inside Right, and then they and they were stout inside man, and so you know, you know what are they going to look like next year. So I mean, I can't speak on either one of those two teams. I haven't, I haven't watched either one of them on tape. We don't play, oh you, we play Texas late. You know, shoot, I'm just now getting to, you know, my second game of the season. You know South Carolina and Georgia. You know we play those guys before we play Texas. That's about as far down the road as I can think. You know, hey, there's some. I got bigger fish to fry right now than worry about Texas. I guess is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Texas in.
Speaker 6:November.
Speaker 6:I mean, that's how it is, you know, whereas when you're in the Big 12, right, if you're at a Baylor, you're at a TCU, you're probably thinking about Texas all year. Right, you know what I mean. You're going for them. That ain't happening in our league right now. You know what I'm saying. I got to play Georgia before I play Texas. I got to play. You know South Carolina. I got to play. You know South Carolina. I got to play Tennessee. I got you know all these teams, man, and you know Missouri. They're games that you have to win, you know, in this league, you know.
Speaker 3:So anyway, I don't think that OU will go into mediocrity. I think, Rod, you're exactly right.
Speaker 5:They're getting their players from Texas and these kids coming out of high school football in Texas it's hard for me to admit this, but they're a different breed, right?
Speaker 3:That's okay. I'm a Louisiana boy, through and through y'all. No, it's a different breed. So they are getting the players from Texas and the people that are in power at OU. If they ain't going to do it right, they're going to go find a coaching staff. That's going to do it right. That's the truth. Yeah, I don't think that they're going to. If they have a down year or two, they're going to be just fine. We got to remember y'all. They beat us last year.
Speaker 3:They did, I don't think that we should sleep on them? I don't think that we should sleep on them. We shouldn't think that they're going into mediocrity. They, they beat us Right. We went to the playoffs Right, so that's right. They, they. That's another thing I say about these rivalry games is a toss up, bro. These rivalry games are for real, and this one is in the neutral site so they can sneak up on us.
Speaker 2:I'll say this and JB knows this I have faith in Brent Venables. I know he has enough love for that program that he'll do whatever it takes to figure it out, and I'll leave it at that it's all about your quarterback. Yep, yep, 100% hey.
Speaker 6:Josh Heupel got fired from Oklahoma. Baker Mayfield was on the team already, but he couldn't play because he had to sit out a year because he transferred from Texas Tech. The next year, Lincoln Riley comes in and he's got Baker Mayfield as his quarterback for two years, and then he's got Kyler Murray as his quarterback you know what I mean. Then he's got Jalen Hurts as his quarterback, Mind you. Now Hypel's gone. Now, right, this is the head coach of Tennessee. I mean. So it's about your. If you don't have somebody at the trigger spot that can manage the football game for your team, you're going to struggle or make plays. You're going to struggle, you know, or make plays, You're going to struggle. The guys that do have them are the guys that end up in the playoffs. Those are the playoff teams. So those are fat. Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, golly, how do I put this? I think our talent around our quarterback put us in that game, put us in the uh in the playoffs. I love viewers, but it was the more talent around him that got us there, I should say.
Speaker 6:He still had to manage it.
Speaker 3:That's all he is is to manage it, Like he did his freshman year he couldn't throw it away.
Speaker 6:His freshman year he was given some of the. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:I hear you.
Speaker 6:You know that caused him. I hear you. You know that, I hear you, but the other guys that you mentioned, though, were playmakers.
Speaker 3:I'm not looking at you as to be a. I'm not looking at you as to be a playmaker. I'm looking at him to be a manager.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you know, what.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 6:Me too. Yeah, me too, but that's part of it, though that's the same argument that Cam Newton has with game managers and guys that are game changers. You know what I mean? I mean there's a difference there really is. He's a game manager and that's all you need to be, but those are good quarterbacks too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a solid game manager with a good game plan. I think Shark's game plans are always pretty good, especially in the first half when he gets to go down his script. I think he's really good at that and he has a game manager that can manage that script. Yeah, what's going? To take us to the next level is we get a manager that can make some plays too, you know yeah.
Speaker 6:That'll take a lot of people, a lot lot of places If you get both of those hey.
Speaker 2:Stevie before we end with comedy once you share with Rod and JB your thoughts on yours, yours, deep ball.
Speaker 3:Oh man, so it's for me, y'all. I mean, it's not, he doesn't have a deep ball, guys. I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I'm being honest, y'all. Just we had a guy running a four, three, four, two down the field and we barely got it to him right man.
Speaker 6:He hit a beautiful ball two years ago though his freshman. He hit x on a beautiful ball two years ago across the field.
Speaker 5:But what have you done for me lately, man?
Speaker 3:What have you done for me lately? Right. And then, when we go back and look at the Alabama game, right, and he hit worthy in the end zone for a long touchdown. Yes, that touchdown catch was a better catch than it was thrown. How hard and Ron, you can attest to this. How hard is it to catch a ball like this over the back of your head? Very hard, when the corner of the end zone was open. Well, you can go and catch it like this. Instead, he had to adjust and catch it like that. It was a terribly thrown ball and no one talks about that right, because the long ball is just not there for him. And then Adedai Mitchell, he had. He could have broke left and got an easier ball, but it's the way he throws the ball up there and hangs it up there and we have to have extraordinary receivers to go get it.
Speaker 6:I love the kid Steve, are you talking about all catches though?
Speaker 3:No, and I get it. Yes, yes, we are talking about all catches, but we're talking about two catches. We're talking about two long balls down the field. With a whole season we had a 4-3, 4-2 runner that can blow the top off a defense, and he never did it. The only time he did it is when we needed to do it against Alabama.
Speaker 5:Well, that was one of the reasons that X was talking about going into the portal in the first place. A lot of people didn't know Quinn couldn't get him the portal in the first place. A lot of people didn't know he just Quinn couldn't get him the ball, the deep ball, and he felt like you know how it is, like you're messing up my draft status.
Speaker 3:Basically, listen you validate your name. I need somebody to get me to rock Sometimes. I know what I'm talking about, Sean.
Speaker 2:You're entitled to your opinion all day, every day.
Speaker 3:All season. Man're entitled to your opinion all day, every day, All season, man. I've been saying that. When I went to spring ball last year, man, I said that Malik had a better long ball than anybody on the staff In the quarterback room. That kid, he stood tall and he stood big and he hit the long ball easily. Every one of those receivers was catching that ball in stride and heading straight to the end zone, right, and I saw that in practice. But Quinn had to be the guy I guess you know he was already in the coach's playbook and things like that.
Speaker 3:And now we lost a really good quarterback. He was 6'5" big, big kid standing tall in the pocket.
Speaker 5:So that's what my life is, when you got somebody whose last name is Manning and he does what he does at such a young age. You saw him in the spring game, Looked like he'd been on the field for three years already. It's true.
Speaker 5:Murphy just had to be smart to say hey, man, I'm probably not going to get the PT. Having gotten the PT, I want it. I'm probably not going to get it. Now that Manny's here and they're hyping him up because, number one, it's going to be publicity stunt, because the family right. So that's one reason why you're not going to play, because we got to keep these fans in the stands and keep them hollering Manny, Manny, Manny, and then Manny's going to get out there and show out. So he was smart for him to leave. He did stand tall, but also, Murphy didn't. A lot of his accuracy wasn't what they wanted. His accuracy wasn't what they wanted. Long ball, yeah, he just slung it. But time and routes, I think that was a difference.
Speaker 3:Okay, I can see that, but I can also see time and routes getting better with time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, A deep ball Takes some work Takes consistency.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a deep ball is almost a talent that you can't teach. I think I don't know, coach, you might be different on that, but we hadn't taught yours yet on that, but we hadn't taught yours yet.
Speaker 6:No, I agree, there's certain quarterbacks can throw the deep ball better than others, and it doesn't always translate into a guy that can throw the intermediate pass as well either. So I mean you can get one or the other, or you can get a combination of both. If you find a combination of both, you got to do, but the deep ball is a nice, like you say, stevie. I mean Kyler Murray threw a great deep ball. That was his biggest asset, but he's also a scrambler.
Speaker 3:But throwing the ball down the field man. He was on the money. I'm sitting on a podcast feeding tips to the enemy over here, like he's going to go to the defensive room and be like hey, y'all know yours cannot throw the big ball. Don't guard them deep, just guard them underneath. They won't listen to me.
Speaker 6:They won't listen to me at all. I'm on the wrong side of the ball. I'm on the opposite side of the ball.
Speaker 2:Well, I've got a question. You know TikTok can be an enormous amount of wasted time, but speaking of being on the wrong side of the ball, have you ever been on the other side of the microphone and, in this week's TikTok, in the man cave and heard a reporter do this? It?
Speaker 4:wasn't a great feeling last game, do this. It wasn't a great feeling last game, but what was the question, hey?
Speaker 2:I've heard it before Post-game Alamo Dome. Somebody never claimed it. It interrupted everybody and but it was not captured. That's TikTok in the main, no one claimed it.
Speaker 3:Was it you, Flinch?
Speaker 2:Not me, I would have claimed it. That's good stuff.
Speaker 5:And look at Rod's face. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Hey, let's bring it home with some positivity. Hey, Ben Tell me something good, fun episode. But you know what this world always needs we need some inspiration, some positivity. We'll begin with the Roderick Walker pride of Irving, texas, as well as Jay Boulware. But, rod, tell me something good, my brother.
Speaker 5:Man. It is true that in our weight room at the University of Texas, on the wall it's been there forever it says train like a champion, train like a champion. And when you train like a champion you develop a certain mentality with yourself and the people around you, because you know that the people around you are training like champions. But is that easy or hard? Heck, no, it's not easy. It's hard work. And one thing that I've learned that if it's hard, do it hard. If it's hard, do it hard and it'll make life a little bit easier, make your performance a little bit easier. It'll make thinking, or not having to think as much, a little bit easier.
Speaker 5:When you do what you have to do, study it, understand it and that's a quick way to quiet the naysayers Hard work really does pay off. And then just in life, not just in sports, whatever it is that you have to do in life, it's not going to be easy. You know people are going to doubt you. You might have some moments where you doubt yourself. You know, remove those doubts, do something different what the opponent is doing, but hard work is going to always pay it off.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful, jake Boulware. I think it's between you, rod and Stevie. There's a different perspective that a man has as a father, and there's. You see the world differently.
Speaker 6:But tell me something good, my brother uh, probably the one thing that you know I can share with you. I I got it from another another brother, another longhorn brother at that. Um, one of my summer roommates running back, juan Kemp, told me this. He said you know we're at that age where we have to really think about you know where we're spending our QTR. You know we really have to be thoughtful and intentional about that so that you you know not that you're about to die or anything like that, it's just that you know you really maximize your life's experience the best way you can. You know, spending it with people that really mean something to you. That's your quality time remaining. We only have so much of it. How much of it, none of us really know, but you know you only have so much of it. So spend it with the people that really mean something to you.
Speaker 2:That's awesome Before you go. Stevie, I got to say this last year three days after my mom passed. I remember Jay and I were on the phone. I was out of my. I remember I was walking like 15,000 steps a day just to keep the. You know it's good for you. He told me that and Jay, for every day, I would say 90% of the days following that until now that's come up and I appreciate you for that. Really, do Tell me something good, stevie.
Speaker 3:My something good was going to be. Man, my kids are getting out of school tomorrow and start the summer, man. But honestly, you guys, these two gentlemen on on right now, they're my big brothers. I came in in 2000. So I'm I'm a I'm 10 years behind you guys, but the wisdom you guys just dropped right now will tell me something good. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go into this summer with my girls training for the volleyball with that mindset getting ready for your season. Work hard, train like it's hard. If it's hard, train hard. You know I love that, man. So I appreciate you guys for coming on. That's something good for me, man. I got to talk to you all, get inspired by you all and get motivated again by you guys, man. So I appreciate that and I'm proud of both of you guys doing what you guys are doing. Still, in athletics, man, I love sports and entertainment. I sell real in athletics, man, I love sports and entertainment. I I sell real estate to a lot of sports and entertainment clients. So I love what y'all doing. I love, um, the positivity that you guys uh, uh, come across with um. So I'm gonna be training my daughters this this summer, but I'm gonna take all that with me when I'm going to train them, so I appreciate that, fellas, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful. I'll end with this. So we've been either coached, mentored or whatnot our whole lives, our entire lives. Create the life you want or in some fashion, or think things into existence, because we know the majority of the time we're going to fail. We just got to get back up. So this past year I've envisioned what I wanted to do, envisioned what I'm going to do. Rod, you saw, things are starting to fall into place. I just made a move, a positive move, and then, a weekend ago, rod saw somebody with me that just randomly has appeared in my life and it's just like wow, this is, it's this easy. You know, some of them before had a lot of drama. You know some prosperous times, cause we all think it into existence, so to speak. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, my brothers, this has been so much fun. I know I said it was going to be 30, 40 minutes. We're going on an hour and 20 minutes, but each of these moments have been amazing, inspiring, fun, whatnot. And, rod, I'm proud of you. Jb, I'm proud of you as well. Man, I wish you guys enjoy the summer before you guys get back to the grind, so to speak.
Speaker 5:All right, brother. Hey, I appreciate it Thank you so much. Thank you, stevie, thank you. Thank you, clinch, I really appreciate it. Miss you so much. Thank you, stevie. Thank you, clinch, I really appreciate it. Miss you guys, man, all the time.
Speaker 2:I miss you both. I see Stevie every other week, or sometimes every week. This is good though. So for the Robert Walker and the J Bullware at the University of Kentucky and to the Hargrove family and to the OG ManCat boys, that being Harbaugh Hards, big Mike and the Coach Mo, what do we tell them, stevie Lee?
Speaker 4:We out. You see the drip and I'm fitted up.
Speaker 3:I'm in my car in the Giddy Up, I said get out.