Episode 387 with Michael Coleman, Cowboys Highs and Lows: Playoff Heartbreak, Contract Drama, and NFL Legends

Have you ever wondered how the Dallas Cowboys manage the highs and lows of their intense seasons? Join us as we relive the heartbreak of their divisional playoff loss to Green Bay, dissect their defensive woes, and celebrate the camaraderie among sports journalists who cover these dramatic moments. Training camp in Oxnard is just around the corner, and we're ready to dive into the passion and dedication that fuels our beloved sport, alongside tales of lifelong friendships and career-defining milestones.

Curious about the latest contract negotiations and player updates? We shine a spotlight on Dak Prescott's decision to stick with his current deal, CeeDee Lamb's high-stakes financial talks, and what to expect from Micah Parsons under the new guidance of coach Mike Zimmer. Plus, we delve into DeMarvion Overshown's recovery journey and discuss the broader financial dynamics in the NFL. Get ready for an engaging discussion that unpacks the complexities of wide receiver and running back contracts, and what that means for the players we admire.

Finally, travel back in time with us to explore the rich histories of the NFL and Kansas City sports. We'll draw some fascinating comparisons between charismatic NFL players and Snoop Dogg, celebrate Jerry Jones' unwavering loyalty, and recall game-changing moments influenced by Patrick Mahomes. Learn about the origins of the Kansas City Chiefs and the visionary Lamar Hunt, and don't miss our reflections on legends like Mary Lou Retton and Bob Hayes. As we gear up for the upcoming Cowboys Camp and the eagerly awaited State of the Cowboys address, we can’t wait to share more insights and stories with you.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:03

Hey, this is Lifetime Cowboys fan Jim Saxton with Jim Saxton State Farm. If you want insurance knowledge and old school service, give us a call. We'll be picked off and no one in front of him. Darnell Savage Touchdown. Six months later, Michael Coleman, Cowboys camp is about to kick off and I still feel like every week since then, Green Bay has found a way to score on the Dallas defense, and they have. Well, the Dallas defense was nonexistent in that divisional playoff game, and so Green Bay is still scoring like it's Madden.

Speaker 3: 1:14

So they returned to the scene of the crime Oxnard training camp to try to figure out what the hell happened. That was just a terrible game because you know I'm like, wow, cowboys, get through the Packers, they could probably take San Francisco and boom, because I already had Kansas City written in. We got a Kansas City-Dallas.

Speaker 3: 1:37

Cowboys Super Bowl, but you talk about falling flat on your face in the most significant game of the season. Forget about the 12 and five. Good job, good job, but now what you're going to do when the when the stakes are higher. It was a pitiful performance. Dak call out of heat for it, and he, he should have, but the defense deserves just as much blame, cause I kept thinking okay, when they're down 14-0, okay, they're going to come back. This is going to be a statement game, but it just never happened, it just never developed and generally, when one side of the ball of your team is stinking it up, the other is going to keep you in the game. Your defense is going to keep you in the game. They're going to buy you some time, but neither helped each other out on either side of the ball, and thus we got what we got last year.

Speaker 1: 2:37

So three straight 12 win seasons. And here we are, you and your guy Arthur you guys are from East Texas the sports director of KLTV, that is Michael Coleman, and I'll tell you a little story real quick. But before that we got to give a shout out to the namesake Jimmy Saxton of Saxtoninsurancecom. He was a youngster when Michael Coleman was a sports director at KXAN here in Austin and you were tied. You knew his dad and everything. But before we get going, cowboys training camp, mc is there and we're going to have some special episodes like this, camping with the Cowboys and MC and Oxnard.

Speaker 1: 3:22

But I want to give you a little story, just our connection. I was just an intern with a lot of hair in 1992. He and Vic Lombardi gave me an opportunity and they had to put up with me for a year and a half and we've been in touch ever since. We actually, when he was in East Texas the first time, I was at their satellite station in Lufkin, texas, before I went to Oklahoma City and we stayed in touch there. It's just like family for the most part, that's true.

Speaker 3: 3:58

Well, we're gypsies, man, we're gypsies. This is a small world, man. I mean sportscasters now. There's so few of them now because the way the industry has changed tremendously, as it has, but once a sportscaster, you're always a sportscaster, always, always. And I do get. I see something on social media Facebook, youtube can be a sportscaster. I'm like, come on now. I read the comments from people oh, I love sports, I know a lot of sports. I'm like, see, y'all just think it's about knowing sports. They don't know how the sausage is being made. They think we just sit down and just roll the content that. You see, there's a lot of work put in for a three-minute show, right?

Speaker 1: 4:51

And you've got to lobby for those three minutes.

Speaker 3: 4:53

You've got to lobby for that exactly, and so I just think with sports casting or sports casters, there's a bond there, because we're kind of like athletes and coaches. Sometimes we don't know if we're going to be coming back. You might come with the locks, be changing your key cards, like, oh, they didn't even tell me. Oh, those are my boxes that are packed in the lobby. I mean, this business is cruel, it's cold, it's changed a whole lot, but I wouldn't change it for the world with the experiences that I've had a chance to endure.

Speaker 3: 5:33

Proud of you and my bearded sports guy Doing the anchor thing. I'm so proud of him because he's made that transition, which is hard. It's hard to get news directors to trust a sports guy to do your news. I just see you as a sports guy. Or to put a person that shoots video on camera, I see you as a photographer and that's the person calling the shots. And I just think, for a lot of folks in this industry who, have you know, have given it their all and every day we just be faking, every day is not a good day. I mean, I deserve a couple Academy Awards. I'm pretty sure you're in line for one too. But we're also acting, because when the show is over, you know you're like, ah, but again the good thing about it, again it's like being an athlete. You get a chance to come out there and do it again, and do it better than you did the last time, and I think that's the, at this stage of my career, that's what the attraction for me is.

Speaker 1: 6:47

What is this 26 Cowboys camps for?

Speaker 3: 6:50

you Overall. I was thinking about that recently. Let's see Seven, maybe eight, in Austin, seven the first time around at Tyler. So 7 and 8, that's 15, 15 and 7 through the math 15 and 7 is 20, 29 wow. I guess it is 30 Cowboys camps. I was at the last two that they were in Thousand Oaks you know, with the fedora was around. I was around then.

Speaker 1: 7:34

Rest in peace.

Speaker 3: 7:35

He's a great soul. So yeah, I've covered the Cowboys more than 18 in my career because most of my career has been in Texas. And when people ask me, are you a fan of the Cowboys? I'm a fan of the Cowboys of the 90s. We got to see those guys grow up, develop In Austin. We were on the front line with those cats. Man Jerry was a young man back then, you know, and and so he was. He was big Bob Jerry, I mean big bug Jerry. You know everything was cool and uh, it was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun at that era, man. And so, um, the the cowboy fans got spoiled. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 8:22

I mean it's funny Cause I? It's funny because I know people now, but 96 is their last time around. I believe I got people because you think about it, there were kids and I say they were 10 years old. The next five or six years they probably didn't think the Cowboys would ever just sink or go south. And now it's the flip side. The ones today don't think they're going to ever get back to the mountaintop and I don't know that they will soon.

Speaker 1: 8:52

I don't either. Three straight 12-win seasons, but that's not good enough.

Speaker 3: 8:57

Well, and the thing is, Jerry makes all the money in the world, not being a Super Bowl champ. You know, and like, for instance, I just read last night working on my notes and stuff, that's another thing. You want to be in sports casting. You got to read, all right, a lot. You got to have knowledge about what's going on. I don't know everything, but I know a lot of everything, but they're going to charge you $20 to be on the field and watch the Cowboys practice Each time. If you're a Cowboy fan who turns that down, right? I think I thought Arthur was going to knock on my door. He just walked by. They're going to come by and hijack the show again. Anyway, so let's talk about the Cowboys. Let's get back to the Cowboys and what we're here for today.

Speaker 1: 9:48

That's right.

Speaker 3: 9:49

You know, ceedee Lamb is officially a holdout. He did not arrive for the team today. We know why Jerry Jones didn't arrive for the team today, but he'll be here tomorrow or the next day. I'm guessing you know the paternity situation here tomorrow or the next day. I'm guessing you know the paternity situation, you know. But CeeDee Lamb is not in camp and it's very interesting. We're going to see how that unfolds. And but to a man like Tyler Smith spoke today and now that Biedish and Smith the other Smith are gone, now it's on the weight of the young lads on that offensive line and then the kid from Manor Texas, former Sooner oh, is that?

Speaker 3: 10:38

where he's from yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:40

That's right. Okay, yeah, yeah. And so you're going to have probably a rookie center. They drafted one, you know. So there are a lot of things that need to be addressed. They won't be addressed by just doing drills. Okay, you look good in drills, you look pretty. Oh, yeah, you look good. But let's see what you're about. You have to line up against one another and line up against San Francisco. You know teams we were talking about or I was talking about with somebody earlier today San Francisco Cleveland might get them Deshaun Watson. That's an opening game, and you got Lamar.

Speaker 1: 11:26

That's insane. He's had to wait what he's gone through with that case and almost took his career away from him. But hey, before we move forward, go ahead. All of our social media platforms, we got it tiktok, twitter, slash x, instagram, facebook, youtube, like, follow, subscribe for free, whatever it is free is a good term. It's never a bad thing. No, it's a bad thing. No it's a four-letter word, though it is a four-letter word that you can use in front of your mom.

Speaker 3: 11:58

There you can. That's what you most certainly can.

Speaker 1: 12:01

So what are the big stories that you plan to pursue during this year's training camp?

Speaker 3: 12:09

I don't, you know. I'll tell you a story right now and I will answer that question. But I'll tell you what's not a story anymore. Dak Prescott's not a story anymore. No, he's already made it clear I'm going to go ahead and just play this year on this deal I got and see where the chips may fall. So he's not a story anymore. Ceedee Lamb obviously is Micah Parsons and Mike Zimmer. Zimmer's been on board for three months and all reports tell me or from what I read they hardly even have talked in the three months. As I told you earlier, I'm sleeping on the couch at his house. I want to know what's going on. So that story there? Because Zimmer's got to be the icebreaker. I mean, micah's here for two more years and I don't know if he wants to play linebacker or come off the edge. I don't know how many sacks he got last year, but I don't think he got many.

Speaker 1: 13:10

He didn't get as much as that he thought he was going to have Right. He's right, I don't think he got many. He didn't get as much that he thought he was going to have Right.

Speaker 3: 13:14

I don't have a problem. Quit gaming the referee, leave him alone. Just do your job. You had the stats and this LT comparison in some circles of him. Stop, okay, blasphemy, blasphemy, let these guys come into their own. Obviously, micah Parsons, locally the University of Texas Longhorn, your alma mater, demarvion Overshawn, who was having a great camp last year and then got hurt in the preseason game.

Speaker 3: 13:49

The big upside for him, besides being talented, is he's young, he can heal faster, and so looking forward to talking to him about his own expectations, and they're going to be no different than they were last year. He might add one don't get hurt. But you can't. That's not up to you. You know that is not up to you. There's friendly fire going on out there as well as opposing fire. Just got to just have your head on a swivel. That's what you got to do. The pride of ARP Texas, arp, arp, east Texas. Baby, there you go. You know about East Texas.

Speaker 1: 14:23

Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's some good football and a lot of talents. So we mentioned CeeDee Lamb. Now you're a veteran to. I mean. This is an annual occurrence since the 80s contractual holdouts and it's just a common occurrence. Should CD be top three paid in the league? Isn't that what he's asking for?

Speaker 3: 14:52

Yeah, yeah. Well, if the Cowboys are taking care of this before this point, he wouldn't be in position to want to be the highest paid receiver in the league. I don't tell you about how to spend their money, but you went through this with Dak. When are you going to learn? And so, while you sit and Justin Jefferson is getting paid and he got paid a lot to not be a CD lamb you know you got to pay attention and I know they do pay attention. I guarantee you there's another wide receiver who signed for some big bucks.

Speaker 3: 15:34

I can't remember who it is right now, but it's a situation where coaches and GMs need to tell players how do you do this? Don't compare yourself to somebody else. That person who's getting all this, he means a whole lot more to that particular team. Like the Minnesota Vikings, go where the Vikings going to do. Kirk Cousins is in Atlanta. They probably threw him extra dough just because he got to stay and help us groom our new quarterback, our kid JJ, on the flip side, cd, you're integral to our offense, but you're not the only one that is You're. You're valuable. We there are. We've got a few viable people on this team and we need to find a way to divvy it up to where we want you to be happy and we also want you to still produce.

Speaker 3: 16:34

And if you don't come to camp, you can't produce. You know you don't got to take. Now, if I'm management, you don't have to take part. My receivers don't take part in physical drills anyway. They just go over there and catch balls. That's all they do. That's all they do. You know, it's like a year ago when Chris Jones of Kansas City held out. They just go over there and catch balls, that's all they do. That's all they do.

Speaker 3: 16:57

You know it's like a year ago when Chris Jones of Kansas City held out and I don't think he missed it. I think he missed one game, I think, and he was complaining about not getting value for X amount of sacks or something and he fell short. I know what it was Playoff. He was going to sit out. They were going to sit him down for the playoffs or not play him a lot. He was complaining that, oh, you're curtailing my opportunity to get sacks and get reached my incentive and the comeback was no, you curtailed the opportunity when you didn't play. I believe he missed a game when you didn't play in the first game. See, it can work both ways. I'm not showing up Then later on I want to hold you out just to save you, but you're preventing me from reaching my incentives. Well, you did that in game one, so you know. And they got agents. That's who they listen to, you know, and I just the money that's being thrown around in the league today.

Speaker 1: 18:08

It's crazy, it's insane. I never thought I would see the amount of money and figures and slotted money for certain veterans where we are. I know it's progressively gone up for certain positions, but look at running backs. They're still not paying. You're a former running back. They're needed but they're not respected. Still not paying. Well, you're a former running back they don't.

Speaker 3: 18:33

They're needed but they're not respected. If I'm talking about not being respected because of the pay scale, I'm going by for what. I grew up on watching running backs who didn't get that kind of money, but they were better than the running backs of today and I back that up by saying they played in the elements. There was no astral turf, there was no indoor arena. They were the mailman. Heat, rain, snow and sleep that's what they did, and what the running backs even today are getting is. I would take it. Don't get me wrong. I would take it, but it's about the value they put on your team and throughout the years the value has been going to the quarterback and that's just the way it is.

Speaker 1: 19:29

That's the way it's going to be. And these agents, they're not going to improve the ceiling. There's no doubt.

Speaker 3: 19:34

No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all, not at all. And you know, I mean I'm going to say Patrick Mahomes is worth what he's getting. I mean, if you're going to put a value to it, mahomes is worth what he's getting. Value to it, mahomes is worth what he's getting. I don't know if Josh Herbert is deserving of what he's getting or just signed for whenever that was because he hasn't shown me that he can win. Now he's got a new coach. Let's see if Jim Harbaugh can make him the player that matches the check he gets.

Speaker 3: 20:09

Tom Brady most certainly deserves it, no doubt about it. I don't think I like him. But the Jacksonville quarterback he kind of robbed the bank without a gun too. I like him. But he's like hey, man, you had a terrible season last year, you know, and that they beat the Chargers last year, you know, and that they beat the Chargers last year. I don't know if that was a fluke or not, but he did get that playoff win under his belt. I'm trying to think of another quarter. Lamar Jackson, he's a special kind of guy. Lamar's a different kind of guy and he deserves what he gets Two-time MVP. What happened to Lamar in the AFC championship game was against the Chiefs. He tried to play Mahomes' game. I think quarterbacks get psyched out when they face Mahomes. They don't face them one-on-one.

Speaker 1: 21:15

It's like Brady, it's like I'm facing Jordan in basketball, right exactly Presence.

Speaker 3: 21:23

I mean, you know as great as Peyton Manning was and he was. I don't think quarterbacks were trying to emulate him or keep up with him. I don't think Tom Brady tried to keep up with him, but they tried to keep up with number 15 out of Kansas City and it's like dude, play your game, your game.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Be who you are.

Speaker 3: 21:47

Be who you are.

Speaker 1: 21:48

I mean, I don't understand that, but the one I can say this, the one thing that we talked about, you know the cowboys uh, jerry his sons. You know they're trying to work the financials with these contracts, but the the lackluster offseason with acquisitions. I've never seen a most inactive offseason in which they did need to replace certain positions or improve. It doesn't seem like they've improved. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 3: 22:25

That's a fair assessment. They went 12-5. Are you going to win 12 games again this year with the guys you have? Yeah, they won 12 games without Stephon Diggs, but then Deron Bland, you know, got hot, he got hot Wow.

Speaker 3: 22:43

Yeah, now you got a different defense. And what if you don't want to go along with that defense? Because Dan Quinn was a player's coach? I don't know much about Zimmer, I mean he's hard-nosed. I know he's with Minnesota and Cowboys before, but see, that was different talent, that was much different talent on that team. I think in some cases, man, the league is getting younger and younger and that's where the coaches are. They're getting younger and younger. Look at the Dolphins.

Speaker 1: 23:20

The Dolphins have a great example of a young coach.

Speaker 3: 23:23

Yeah, yeah, he just can't. He, like other coaches other than Don Shula, can't win in sub-40 degree weather. Don Shula's going. His legacy is not in danger whatsoever. That's what they used to say about Seattle before they started winning Super Bowls. They didn't win Super Bowls, they should have won multiple Super.

Speaker 1: 23:44

Bowls. They should have handed the ball off at the two-yard line.

Speaker 3: 23:49

It'll be the most. There's no. I was going to say the most debated issue. There's no. I said I was gonna say the most debated issue. There's no debate about it. It'd be the most honest and truthful fact in the history of sports. But Marshawn Lynch ain't crying. He's like the Snoop Dogg of the NFL.

Speaker 1: 24:11

He's one of the funniest human beings on this planet.

Speaker 3: 24:15

He's hilarious. He is hilarious and he loves life. He's having a good life.

Speaker 1: 24:20

He was born and raised in Compton right.

Speaker 3: 24:23

Yeah, Now you know what. It might be Oakland, oakland, what it might be. Oakland, oakland, yes, it might be Oakland, yes, and he's cousins to the kid named Peters that played with Kansas City and then went to Baltimore. What's Peters' first name? Another malcontent, but he could play. They're cousins, you know. You can see they have talented genetics oh yeah, no doubt about it, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1: 24:52

So we're talking about acquisitions. Listen, zeke is a fan favorite, but what was that move? I like Zeke. Maybe they can get him to that. Plateau, that career yardage maybe. Plateau, that career yardage maybe.

Speaker 3: 25:08

I think part of what that was the fault that you can have. The fault should be thrown at Jerry. It's not a bad fault. He is loyal. Look how long Mike played Number 88 before he got the injury. It was time to go before then, but he kept him. I think he kept Emmitt a little bit too long, but Emmitt went on to Denver and got 1,000 yards and so I'll never disgrace Mr Jones' dedication and loyalty to a player because he has very many one-on-one relationships with players. Post-dallas Cowboy.

Speaker 1: 25:51

He does a great job of keeping it up.

Speaker 3: 25:53

He really, really does Nate.

Speaker 1: 25:54

Newton.

Speaker 3: 25:57

He'll be at camp this week. He usually is working. I think that's part of it too. I think he's like we'll give you a shot and see if you can go back to your glory, but they still don't have a running back room. I just don't. I just don't. Which puts pressure on Dak Prescott, and maybe that's by design. Maybe that's by design If you're going to beat the Cowboys, you're going to have to stop the passing game.

Speaker 1: 26:28

Well, I forgot where. Maybe it was in a conversation I was a part of this week, but no, it was. Oh my God. George Teague was on here, oh yeah, and he said that we were talking about that video of Dak dancing.

Speaker 3: 26:47

Yes, he was on it.

Speaker 1: 26:48

It wasn't so characteristic. The boots not needed, he said. George said and it's not verbatim that he thinks that Dak, if he would just quit being so, just everything by the book on the field, right, he said he's fundamentally sound. But if he would just be himself to on the field, right, he said he's fundamentally sound. But if he would just be himself to your point earlier, right that, and just go and do instead of forcing the design. That's what it, and I was, like you know, I never thought about that. Maybe we need to see that ad lib version of Dak, like Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3: 27:27

Yeah, yeah, you know number 15. You know that was like in the Super Bowl against Philly, was it Philly? Yeah, against Philly, not the overtime win just recently, but against Philly. A player on what was okay after the pass was thrown and the player did not go into the end zone I can't think McKinnon, you know, because they didn't want to give any time to the opposition On that particular play. I believe somebody was lined up wrong and they wanted to change it and they said just run it, see, and when you got a quarterback like Mahomes, just run it anyway. And I mean that that shows you right there. I mean he's made some coaches and very he's. Well, he's made Andy Reid a very, very, very, very rich man.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Yeah, he's phenomenal and he's got a little dynasty going at. What was it? It used to be the Kansas City was. What's the story there? The hunt started in Dallas, texas, right, and then they moved that to Kansas City, right Is that how it works.

Speaker 3: 28:45

Let me put what's in between. That Moved to Kansas City on a handshake deal. Dallas was not big enough, according to Mr Hunt, for the Texans and the Cowboys, so he's looking for a new location. New Orleans Saints calls him. He has a meeting with the Saints pending. Before that meeting he got a call from the newly elected mayor of Kansas City, Charles Bartle. There's a convention center after his name, now Bartle Hall. I've just been elected mayor. I've got a budget. I inherited a budget of $750,000 that I can use on any business I want. It's yours if you come to Kansas City.

Speaker 1: 29:43

I was not aware of that.

Speaker 3: 29:45

That's the interception of the century. Well, it's the 20th's, the interception of the century. Well, 20th century. But that's how they came to Kansas City. They came on a handshake deal. It was meant to be. Of course, I wasn't around yet, but I looked through the history of Kansas City sports. It's like the Philadelphia A's were the Kansas City A's and now they're the Oakland A's and so, yeah, so when they lost Oakland with a very young Reggie Jackson rookie-esque Reggie Jackson they were promised a franchise right away. Thus you have the Royals. So the sports scene in Kansas City derived from the from landing the Chiefs, I think. And it's, you know, right in the city too. And Mr Hunt was also a huge soccer guy. He co-founded the MLS. He, he had his hands in everything.

Speaker 3: 30:50

My first two years in Kansas City, pre-mahomes, I was the sideline reporter for the preseason games. I'm on the bus with Len Dawson sitting next to Len Dawson, lenny the Cool, as he was nicknamed, and all that. He and I are sitting there talking and he's telling me. He's telling me all these stories. I'm like, oh, my God, I know where they come, cause you know he anchored in Kansas city. He was the anchor for the ABC affiliate. But I'm. You've got these two sportscasters who were competitors. I'm not a competitor to Glenn Dawson, I'm a groupie. That's my that groupie. That was my groupie era. Just sitting next to Glenn Dawson he's telling me these great stories the apparatus that you see on the sidelines where kickers kick into it the invention, the creation for Lamar Hunt.

Speaker 3: 31:42

They lost the game and the kicker's extra point or field goal was no good and Mr Hunt didn't bellyache to the kicker. This is Lenny talking, he's like, but the thing was he says you know what, lenny, when the receivers, the running backs, when they're on the sidelines, they're stretching, they're warming up, they're getting ready to go back in. Kickers can't do that, they can't work on their craft before they get sitting back out there. He said he drew on a napkin. Look what I'm working on. What do you think? Something for the kickers to kick on the sidelines to keep their legs fresh and warm.

Speaker 1: 32:26

Just a simple net. That's it With iron Metal.

Speaker 3: 32:33

And what would follow would be two of the better kickers in the NFL, good friend of mine, nick Lowry, and before him Jan Stennerud. I mean, it all ties in, man, it all ties in.

Speaker 1: 32:45

I love history. Oh yeah, man, history lessons. Hey, before we move to our uh, our new segment. But I had to show you this, michael gallup, former cowboys receiver picked up by the raiders, I believe, yep, um, and he retires after six seasons, not six season, uh, prior to the beginning of Raiders camp. Well, I mean, have you heard anything? What is that all about?

Speaker 3: 33:13

Well, you know, arthur brought that to my attention just before we went on the air, so I was able to get that out really fresh. I think where he got it from was two hours old, but it was still fresh. You know, he and I talked, arthur and I did. He just never had the career that he was promising to have. When he got hurt his second year, third year, he just wasn't Michael Gallup anymore. I mean the Gallup part was gone.

Speaker 3: 33:39

I mean, you know, and sometimes I'd watch him when he was playing he made some great catches in this and that, but he wasn't aggressive like he used to be and you know, his brother committed suicide while he was an NFL pro. I just think some negative things happened at an inopportune time for the prime of his career. I mean, I don't think I knew he was on the Raiders. Well, I won't say roster, but he was with the Raiders because you know the young man who got in that car accident, that car speeding, they're looking for receivers, you know. So, yeah, I just think he says you know what I've done about all I can possibly do. What Colorado State Is that where he's from?

Speaker 1: 34:25

Yeah, I believe you're right.

Speaker 3: 34:26

How about that? So who? What Colorado State Is that where he's from? Yeah, I believe you're right. How about that? Who knows? I don't know what his personality is like Quiet guy. We'll probably never hear from him again.

Speaker 1: 34:36

No, that's bizarre to me. I mean, it caught me by surprise.

Speaker 3: 34:40

Yeah, colorado State, so hopefully this week we can talk to Mike McCarthy about him. You know, you had Gallup, he left and he retired. What's your thought on that? So we'll see if that opportunity presents itself.

Speaker 1: 34:58

We will, that's it. You hate to see it, but you know I think six seasons he'll get a pension.

Speaker 3: 35:04

Oh yeah, I think it's five, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:09

You know he did well for himself. Yes, he did. He certainly did. We'll see. All right. Speaking of McCarthy, courtesy of the L of the LA Times. By the way, mccarthy and a photographer he's extending his arm clearly didn't want to be on camera. I think I remember this live on the broadcast, but it kind of looks like McCarthy on his way out of Dallas. Caption this my brother.

Speaker 3: 35:55

If I don't win the Super Bowl, they're going to stiff arm me out of Dallas.

Speaker 1: 36:07

What will it take for him to be retained?

Speaker 3: 36:12

A one-point loss in the NFC Championship game Oof, but not a 20-point loss in the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 1: 36:20

You got to make it. You got to make it. Hey man, tell me something good. Hey man, tell me something good, mc. In this world of negativity, we need more positivity, because I believe there are more positive stories to tell or things that people should hang their hat on than there are negative. But tell me something good, my brother.

Speaker 3: 36:44

All right, since we are entering the Olympics, let's talk track and field, my former forte. I love that teenage sensation out of DC. Well, dmv, they call it Quincy Wilson.

Speaker 1: 37:01

You ever heard about this kid? I saw a headline about him this kid.

Speaker 3: 37:06

He'll be the youngest, 16 years old, he's in the Olympics, he's going to run on a 4x400, I believe, and he set all kinds of records of 18 and under in the time trials at Pupin Oregon. He's just blowing people away. He's already got NIL deal and everything NIL deal. Got NIL deal and everything NIL deal and I just think he is going to be a sensation to make us forget about Usain Bolt, who I just dig the most out of. But I think to be young, to be that young and see this in front of you and I hope it doesn't get into the wrong hands of people, people take advantage of younger folks who are on the on the track of superior superiority and greatness, and so that's listen for him, that's telling you something good.

Speaker 1: 38:00

No, that's beautiful. Hey, you know, when you think of young Olympians, you, you can go all the way back to Mary Lou Redden.

Speaker 3: 38:08

You can go back to a former Cowboy Bob Hayes.

Speaker 1: 38:10

Bob Hayes in the 60s, right yeah.

Speaker 3: 38:13

Bob Hayes is the reason why you have his own defense in the secondary. They're getting covered one-on-one. So somebody said, okay, listen, we're going to call this a zone. This is going to be your area. This is going to be your area If you see he needs help. You see, I think Bob was number 22. You see 22 coming, you go over and help. Yeah, but that's where the zone came from, because of Bob Hayes.

Speaker 1: 38:36

Cover two, cover four. Yes, cover Hayes, cover Hayes, two combos, guy, precisely. Well, mc man, you've got a long couple of weeks in oxnard and we are fortunate that, uh, you and jimmy sashton, we're all partnered up to deliver a few episodes. And uh, I mean, tell the fine folks when you think we should have another cowboys camp episode.

Speaker 3: 39:05

Well, once I find out where they're going to do this press conference and Jerry's going to be there, let's do it after that. At first it was going to be Saturday because of Jerry's pending stuff, but now that that's over with, I heard some of the PR people talking that could be happening on Thursday. Now they don't know yet, We'll see what happens. So I would say, the next time you and I talk, which will probably be within two days, it will be after I hear from Jerry the State of the Cowboys address. You cannot have that without him.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Oh, it's tradition.

Speaker 3: 39:43

Yeah, man, so that's what we're going to do.

Speaker 1: 39:46

Everything's great. Everything's great in the land of the Cowboys and in the Jones land. But man, I can't wait. I'm glad you and Arthur are there again. You guys are veterans, pros. You tell Sham. You tell all those WFA boys, san Antonio boys, we said hello, I said hello and looking forward to it. So forc and the og man k boys, that being hardball hearts, big mike and the coach mo, we are out.

Speaker 3: 40:18

You see the jumpy I'm fitted up I'm in my car in the giddy up.