What if your favorite tunes could shape your podcast experience? On this episode of the Darrell McClain Show, we welcome back T-Bone from the Lunsb Show to discuss how music plays a critical role in enhancing podcast content. From rap to rock, we share our diverse musical journeys and even debate our differing views on gospel music, all while navigating the challenges of enjoying tunes in public spaces like gyms. This lively exchange sets the stage for a deeper conversation about how our personal histories and cultural backgrounds influence our musical tastes.
Could governments be hiding major events right under our noses? We dive into the unnerving world of timed conspiracy theories, media manipulation, and the prevalence of fake news. T-Bone and I take a humorous yet critical look at political labels and the blind allegiance to partisan beliefs. We also dissect a high-profile legal case involving sexual assault allegations, questioning the judicial fairness in politically charged environments. Our discussion extends to Donald Trump's clashes with the established order in Washington, D.C., including his battles with the so-called "Deep State" and the labyrinth of corruption within the political system.
How did the COVID-19 pandemic change our lives and our politics? We share eerie memories of deserted streets and strict enforcement measures, reflecting on the long-term impacts of these unprecedented times. From government mandates to social control, we question the broader implications on society and the workforce. Wrapping up the episode, we explore political cynicism, disillusionment with the system, and even speculate on potential vice presidential picks for future elections. With personal anecdotes and broader socio-political observations, this episode is packed with insights, humor, and a critical look at the current state of affairs. Tune in for a riveting conversation that you won't want to miss!
What if your favorite tunes could shape your podcast experience? On this episode of the Darrell McClain Show, we welcome back T-Bone from the Lunsb Show to discuss how music plays a critical role in enhancing podcast content. From rap to rock, we share our diverse musical journeys and even debate our differing views on gospel music, all while navigating the challenges of enjoying tunes in public spaces like gyms. This lively exchange sets the stage for a deeper conversation about how our personal histories and cultural backgrounds influence our musical tastes.
Could governments be hiding major events right under our noses? We dive into the unnerving world of timed conspiracy theories, media manipulation, and the prevalence of fake news. T-Bone and I take a humorous yet critical look at political labels and the blind allegiance to partisan beliefs. We also dissect a high-profile legal case involving sexual assault allegations, questioning the judicial fairness in politically charged environments. Our discussion extends to Donald Trump's clashes with the established order in Washington, D.C., including his battles with the so-called "Deep State" and the labyrinth of corruption within the political system.
How did the COVID-19 pandemic change our lives and our politics? We share eerie memories of deserted streets and strict enforcement measures, reflecting on the long-term impacts of these unprecedented times. From government mandates to social control, we question the broader implications on society and the workforce. Wrapping up the episode, we explore political cynicism, disillusionment with the system, and even speculate on potential vice presidential picks for future elections. With personal anecdotes and broader socio-political observations, this episode is packed with insights, humor, and a critical look at the current state of affairs. Tune in for a riveting conversation that you won't want to miss!
Hey guys, welcome to the Darrell McLean show. Of course you know who this is if you tuned in. I have back on the show one of our veterans, my mentor from the Lunsby show, t-bone. You know, on the show he does not ever bring up politics at all. So with everything going on crazy in the country, I try to every now and then give him an opportunity to say how he feels about some of the crazy shit going on, and so you don't have to hear me saying it. So welcome back to the show, t-bone.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, I don't have to listen to the five minute musical intro.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's already pre-recorded, that's already in there.
Speaker 2:I remember when I asked you why do you have such a long intro? And you're like I paid for it. I'm going to use it.
Speaker 1:I can't argue with that, and my nephew actually recorded it for me, so I was like I keep it all in the family your nephew made it and you paid your nephew and it's crazy long and you play all of it yeah and I remember I had one of my uh fans messaged me. They were like what? Do you think that I'm in the background dancing to it? And I was like I hope so, because it's not going anywhere. That's your time to go, get your food and your snacks and everything.
Speaker 2:Get ready for what's about to happen I generally do some type of placeholder, depending on what I'm doing. So I've started doing a lot more video products. I have the the warno on friday nights, which is a 15 minute show, and nice and easy. On sundays I do the sunday supplemental, which is like a 30 minute show, but it's, it's a video product. They're nice, they're easy, they're fun to do. But I find myself wanting to include music but at the same time. So I use a placeholder to let people know we're getting ready to do something and at the end of post-production I maybe throw some music in at the end, some royalty-free stuff that I've come across along the way, that I kind of like it's got a little beepity-bop to it. So that's what I use, basically. Because of people like you who've got their own music, I'm like, ah, music makes sense, music makes sense.
Speaker 1:I should use some music. Yeah, you could get some nice elevator music as the placeholder.
Speaker 2:I've never been an elevator music kind of guy. I'm not a music kind of guy.
Speaker 1:I used to joke and say I had musical Tourette's. Because that's why I don't play my playlists for my friends, because you're going to get everything.
Speaker 2:I love all kinds of music and, of course, having this conversation with people recently, I realized that's not necessarily true. I am not a fan of gospel music but everything else country rap, rock, old rock, new rock, metal rock. You know, I like all kinds of music but I never really. There's no gospel songs that ever reached out to me. Maybe you know old Elvis Presley songs were actually gospel songs.
Speaker 1:So maybe that you know I was about to ask because a lot of the music now that I hear is gospel music. I think they're trying to imitate whatever's going on too much, but I like some gospel music. But then I realize they're trying to imitate whatever's going on too much, but I like some gospel music. But then I realized they're older, older music. You know songs and hymnals that I grew up to.
Speaker 1:So I was raised in a very structured church. We used to joke and say we're Catholic-like a lot of sitting and standing, and so they read a lot from the Psalms and then people just adapt them and then put organs in there. So it's those types of you can go back to the church 15 years later and they're going to be singing the same hymnals. So I like, yeah, I like those. And then there was a song recent to me and it was like 15 years old and I like it and it's like that. And so I was just like, and then I was playing it from a friend. He was like oh, there's all these women and they're so sappy and so sad. And I was like what? This song is just so uplifting.
Speaker 2:I've listened to this song 10 times in the gym today my, my joke has always been that's why I can't go to public gyms, because I love hardcore rap music but. I also love singing along with it, and there's only so many times you could drop an m-bomb in a planet fitness before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man see, I, I have that. I have that too. I I'm one of the uh, I tell my friends I'm very small c conservative, I'll listen to rap music and I say I'm like a gangster and I'm gonna go kill everybody. And then I say that I leave the gym just like this. This music is very destructive to the culture. You can't listen to this and actually go be a productive member of society. Yeah, that's kind of me. It all depends on my mood when I'm in the gym. But I work out at a gym that allows you to hook your own music up, and so if you're there, you get the speakers. Everybody's just punished with whatever you you have, you get to pick, and so and and rhoda.
Speaker 2:The fun part. Well, a lot of military gyms, mwr focused gyms. They play afn so that our afn morning show would be playing for people that are working out and if they didn't bring their headphones they they had to deal with us. So that was always fun. We always made fun of our gym rats.
Speaker 1:Oh, so they were forced to listen to the show the entire time. That's pretty cool, right? Well, that is what you call good product placement.
Speaker 2:So I don't know how you feel about conspiracy theories, but here's what I can tell you. Just an hour and a half ago, there was an asteroid that passed very, very close to Earth. An asteroid the size of Mount Everest passed by the Earth at 2014 UTC, which was 414 Eastern Standard Time. I was outside just in case, because I thought why would they have a presidential debate on a Thursday? In June before either one of the candidates had been to their conference.
Speaker 1:Why would they do that?
Speaker 2:Well, maybe, and we haven't seen our president in six days. He's supposedly training for this debate.
Speaker 2:But he's training for this debate at a place that's only miles away from an underground bunker where they take him in the event of a calamity such as a giant asteroid striking the earth. So at 4 14 today, I could have been sitting in my office, but I chose to sit outside and look up at the sky for the great fireball that was going to end it. All my conspiracy theories are timed. They work out until now and we're all still here and no one's on the news like a giant explosion in the pacific ocean. None of that happened, but this particular asteroid that was traveling at 75 and a half times the speed of sound that was the size of mount everest came between. The distance between us and the moon is 250,000 miles roughly, and it came to one-seventh of that distance towards Earth, which, in astronomical terms, is really freaking close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But would it be beyond the world governments to keep that hidden from us all? No To not tell us anything until it was too late.
Speaker 1:No, no, it wouldn't't. Uh, no, it would not. And, and more than likely, they would lie to us and say do not believe your eyes and ears here's video from a ship in the south pacific of the collision. No, this is uh fake news yeah, I was fake news and news. They would say it's fake news until we're all in glory.
Speaker 2:Isn't it crazy that you can't believe anything anymore?
Speaker 2:Like the things you see with your own eyes. There's video of it and you see it, and then the news comes in and says that's not what you saw. Yeah, that's what they want you to think they saw. That is and I use this quote a cheap fake, not a deep fake, that's a cheap fake. So and I'm not saying any particular candidate, you know who does these things where they have a candidate and no one is excited to see the candidate, where they have a candidate and no one is excited to see the candidate, so they get a whole bunch of people in the background and they crunch them all together to make it look like there's a big crowd and they keep the camera packed in close to the candidate and this really, really packed crowd that's behind him.
Speaker 1:But every once in a while, somebody will take a picture from off to the side to show you that it was all an optical illusion, which is which is crazy to me, because the government is so incompetent that nobody said just get a green screen, screen and put the people, put the people out there, do what I'm doing right now in this conversation.
Speaker 2:You can see I am on a beach in fiji. Yeah, you know, but I'm not on a beach in Fiji. Yeah, you know, but I'm not on a beach in Fiji. But those waves behind me, they're real.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, yeah, I was joking with one of my professors the other day about the, so get us into a little bit of stuff. You don't talk about the traditional terms, liberals and conservatives. Because I sent him a video of a song that had been done about Israel, palestine, and he said oh, that guy's just something, something liberal, that whatever. Whatever he said was good, I don't remember. And I said liberals and conservatives are words made up by white people and I said I'm from the South and I have learned to stay out of white folks' business. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 2:I love that. I'm going to use that.
Speaker 1:And then I said if white people want to argue with each other all day long, have at it. I just thought it was. This song was interesting, it made me think about this topic and that was that.
Speaker 2:The thing is, we've gotten to a point in American politics where it just doesn't matter. No one can see what is it? You can't see the no one can see what is it? You can't see the trees through the forest. Right, whether you're on the left or whether you're on the right, nobody wants to look objectively at any one thing and say, okay, let's look at the facts. What are the actual, no kidding facts in this particular instance? Nobody wants to do that and even if you present them with the facts these are the facts they will still find a way. Whatever again, whatever side of their aisle, of the aisle they are on, they will still find a way to be committed to, whatever their preconceived thoughts were.
Speaker 2:I have heard you recently when you were talking about the convictions. I didn't hear you your take on the sexual assault, the libel for the sexual assault, and what is it now? It's like $170 billion he's got to pay this woman who claimed that she was sexually assaulted in a department store 30 years ago, but she has no evidence at all. There's no evidence of anything. There's not a blue dress, there's not any fluid samples left behind, there's no witnesses. She just came out of nowhere and said this happened and we're supposed to believe it without any proof whatsoever, and then to go in front of a judge and the judge is like you don't need proof.
Speaker 2:And then to go in front of another judge and that judge said you don't need proof as long as we don't like the person you're suing.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to go ahead and give you my unvarnished opinion now. Was it in New York? Oh, it was in New York, all right. Well, there you have it. It was a sham, and I think I said this on a previous episode. You remember when before so pre-Trump they used to say the Southern District of New York was the most powerful court period. They used to say the Southern District of New York was the most powerful court period. They used to actually jokingly call it the Sovereign District of New York. And Donald Trump fired a lot of the people in New York he could fire, and so when he ran for president, I called it the Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:That's good work, play.
Speaker 1:I like that is that donald trump said from the beginning I'm going to drain the swamp, I'm going to do all these things. And he went for the attorney generals in new york. He fired them and they didn't. They didn't die, they didn't disappear off the face of the earth and they were like, oh, cool, cool. So the guy that used to work for me will get you and and and and. So it's. It's like when you see them going after him with all these ridiculous 198 cases and you look at who's doing it, it's like this is just their payback and and. And. So it was like you know how they used to say if you shoot at the king, don't miss. People thought Donald Trump was the king, and I say no, it's the people in the shadows.
Speaker 2:He made and this happens, you know it happens. He made some tactical errors along the way. He didn't necessarily surround himself with people who were dedicated to his mission. He surrounded himself with people he thought were in his camp, but they were only in it for themselves. And you know, this is a man who successfully held off the mob, the actual mob, the mafia in New York City, and he was able to build buildings and do construction in New York and in New Jersey. He was able to build this empire of buildings and develop things with the no kidding mob. They interviewed Sammy Gravano on this. The guy murdered 19 people. They interviewed him on this. Yeah, we couldn't mess with Donald Trump. We couldn't mess with him. We couldn't get him to do the things we wanted him to do. He was above that.
Speaker 2:And then he goes to dc and he's dealing with three-dimensional chess you know, if there's the analogy you're playing chess while I'm playing checkers, or the other way around. When he got to dc he was dealing with people playing three-dimensional chess man. They are moving at a whole different level and we, occasionally, somebody, will open up our eyes. You know, somebody who has a peek onto the inside of DC politics will write a story or write a television show where they give you a little tiny bit, a little piece of you. What was the one with the guy that liked to put his hands down the waiter's pants? He got fired from the show. The? Uh, princess buttercup. Uh, robin wright. Robin wright was the female. Uh, spacey, was it kevin spacey? Oh, kevin spacey.
Speaker 1:A house of cards yeah, that was that, that was, was that no?
Speaker 2:it's not Clooney.
Speaker 1:So it didn't. It had to be Robin.
Speaker 2:Wright. I think it was Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it had to be Spacey, because he just he won that case, though, didn't he Just recently?
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course he won the case. Of course he won the case. But that kid had witnesses that I'm being molested by the actor in front of other people.
Speaker 1:Money money, money, money Money, yeah right.
Speaker 2:So but that TV show House of Cards kind of gave you a little bit of the.
Speaker 1:I got to check it out. I actually haven't watched it before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's people committing murder for politics and politicians in DC they showed a little bit. You know, every once in a while you get a peek inside and again the swamp the people that he was. And he's right, it is the unelected people in DC who really run the show and they kind of proved it against him. And they kind of proved it against him. The 51 intelligence officers who knowingly signed this memo saying the Hunter Biden laptop was fake news, that it was Russian propaganda. They have now all admitted that they knew when they signed it, they knew when they signed it.
Speaker 2:it was bullshit, but they signed it and every news channel that needed to cover that news to use it against Donald Trump fully in support of using it. You give us anything like that, we're going to use it. It's just, the level of deceit in Washington DC is unbelievable and we would never accept that. You, me, the people, the face-to-face people that we deal with on a regular basis, would not accept that level of corruption at the school board level. At the school board level, we fight back against things like that. At the local level, we fight back against things like that. But when it's the federal government and everyone's involved in it, we just kind of accept it as the way it's done. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1:It is the swamp. I saw something very interesting today that someone said something similar, but it was way more articulate.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1:Somebody said something similar, but they sounded no, no, no, I I was gonna say, I was gonna say that I could muster, because they were doing um movie analogies. And they just said in this movie we sided with the resistance. And they said in this movie we sided with the resistance. And I remember when it got, it was like in game of thrones, you, you sided with the resistance. And I remember when it got, it was like in Game of Thrones, you sided with the resistance. And it said in V for Vendetta, you sided with the resistance. In Scarface, you sided with the resistance. And it says but in your own life you just take it, what are you going to get it? And I was like, yeah, there is something about Americans. And I'm in this context where I know Americans on the individual level will know something is not right, but then they will tacitly go along and just I'm going to keep paying all these heavy taxes, I'm going to just Was COVID not an excellent?
Speaker 1:example of that. Well, covid to me my buddy says COVID was a test, and he said either you flunked or you passed.
Speaker 2:you know to what you took from it when the guy in charge tells us masks don't work when we see him on video at a sports game sitting next to two people not six feet away from two people without a mask on, and then turns around tells us, yeah, masks do work, but study after study after study has said those masks don't work. But now, whether you wear a mask or don't wear a mask kind of tells you who you are in the world you either wear a mask or you wear a MAGA cap.
Speaker 1:And that's what I started to recognize and I did think it was interesting. I said they made it so ridiculous that you can tell your political party by what you have on what you don't have on. And I thought about it from purely, I guess, an economic standpoint. I was still doing contract security at the time and so I would drive up the street in Virginia and it was just completely empty Like a whole state, a whole city, because I lived in Newport News and I worked in Norfolk, so I have to drive from Newport News, hampton to Norfolk Just three cars on the road. And I was like this is nuts, this is like a movie. And I was kind of shocked by how many people just accepted it, you know.
Speaker 2:Slade Hamm. He was taking video with drones while he was on his bicycle in the streets of houston during that and it is eerie, it is spooky. Rob calabro is running down fifth avenue in new york city in the middle of the day and there's nobody around. Those images have stayed with me. They did a great job of videotaping the things.
Speaker 2:I remember what I went through in Spain, but the scariest things that I remember was what was actually happening in China, where they locked all these people in these giant buildings and you can hear them in the night screaming out the windows that they're starving. They wouldn't let the people out of the building and it's just terrifying to watch. And everybody went along. Me and Zeus had the cops called on us.
Speaker 2:So often in Spain you were allowed to walk your dog, but you were only allowed to walk your dog within 50 meters of your house. That was it. Well, there was a park 75 meters away and the park is probably 200 meters long, so we'd go over there quickly on the bicycle. We'd get a couple laps in and I'd get him home and I had cops pulling up on me like a scene out of Miami Vice, like lights and sirens, guns drawn, everybody's got their mask on. It was intense and everybody went along, because it wasn't me and the dog going around the dog park that that got the police's attention. It was somebody in their window that called the police on us yeah, that happened, that happened to us too.
Speaker 1:Um, so I'm about three minutes from the gym that I work at now, costavo, norfolk, and we had to put up basically paper bags and everything on the windows because they would say those people are in there rolling around with each other, nobody has on a mask, and I was just like mind your fucking business, you're going, you're going to the subway to get your death sandwich. You know, with jared the pedo, focus on what's going on over there. What is the?
Speaker 2:craziest thing you remember from COVID. What's the craziest rule or law?
Speaker 1:or restriction. The thing that shook me the most when I really started to look at it crazy. It actually wasn't even in Virginia, it was in Texas and I was looking at a video and there was a woman who was in her 60s or 70s, but she was clearly elderly, and she went into a bank and the police came because she didn't have on a mask and I watched them wrestle this really old woman to the ground, just like it, like you think, like okay, texas, the police are kind of gonna probably be get it, but not get it. And then I was like, oh, the police are a lot of them are they're gonna go with it too? And and and this lady would just say I just wanna, I I mean, I'm fine, I've had it.
Speaker 1:And the way they treated this elderly woman, I I was like like we have reached a place where they really are going to believe what the government tells you is the truth, because we are scared, and if you are not scared with us, you will either comply or be crushed. And I thought we reached a very sad place.
Speaker 2:My friend got a 900 euro fine. 900 euro fine To equate that to American dollars, around $1,800 fine Somewhere in that area, right? Because she went to the store which was open during COVID, which she was allowed to do, and she bought some hair care products and that was it. On the way back she gets pulled over at a checkpoint. They look to see her receipt. There's no food on the receipt. She got a $900 fine.
Speaker 2:I go to the same Aldi's that she went to. You can buy beer and wine. You could not buy alcohol. But early on when COVID first started started, we were still on the radio, we hadn't been fired yet and I was making fun of the woman who wouldn't put her mask on in china and there's video of her getting beat down into submission. And I make the point on the radio show like, uh, if it comes to taking a beat down or just putting your mask on, put the freaking mask on. Okay, I promise you you're going to feel a lot better about yourself at the end of the day if you put a mask on versus taking a beat.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, but it was also just like going to all these buildings. I was working in in the state and getting pretty good pay because we were getting hazard pay and it's like the building's completely empty, and so it's like I'm getting paid all this good money to go to this building that's completely empty. Then in my head I'm also thinking like and why would these people come back to work? Because they're also getting paid to not be here. And that's when I started to kind of think what is this?
Speaker 2:It's four years later. We still can't get them to come back to work.
Speaker 1:And that's when I started to think what is this actually about? And then where I stay. Now I'm in the beach life phase. I stay on the beach. I was watching as all these places started to get evacuated, bought out Berkshire Hathaway side started to go up everywhere you know knocked down all these houses in this area and all of a sudden all this waterfront property that was 800 bucks a month a few weeks ago is now on the market for $3,200. And I was like I don't want to say it was all connected, but somebody definitely benefited from it. In this area I was watching people get notices on their doors for an entire apartment complex Non-renewal notices.
Speaker 2:You got to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been bought. And then it was like well, you guys aren't paying your rent because you're not going. You can't pay your rent because you're not going to work. So you signed up for this government program. The government stopped paying us on time. Everybody got to go. Nobody gets renewed. Some company buys it, knocks it down, builds it up really fast like in Bahrain, where they build it up really quick. It looks beautiful and you're like oh, can we apply again? You can't afford to live here anymore.
Speaker 2:Right, and again, I don't talk about politics in my show, but every once in a while I let it slip that I don't believe the government solves any problems, and COVID is a great example of that. It was two weeks to slow the curve, but it was never two weeks to slow the curve. It was an indefinite amount of time to kick the can down the road, because from the get-go, covid was always going to run this course.
Speaker 2:You were either going to get it or not get it. And if you got it, you were either going to die from it or not die from it. That was it. That's how all flus have ever worked in the history of man. You either get it or don't get it. That was it. That's how all flus have ever worked in the history of man. You either get it or don't get it. You either die from it or don't die from it. Locking people in their homes and preventing people from going to work and doing their jobs did not in any way, shape or form, change any of that.
Speaker 1:Do you punish the people who did it, or do you only punish the people who did it and then admit that they were wrong?
Speaker 2:So even those that have and there have been a few along the way kind of like, yeah, we screwed up, we could have done a lot better, we could have, but we were all scared, we didn't know what we were doing Bullshit. Yes, you did know what you were doing, because this is not anything new, whether it's bird flu or swine flu or election flu or freaking cold, it't matter what it is it's always been the same.
Speaker 2:the human body is very, uh fragile when it comes to microorganisms, and whether it's again like ebola, we're the only country in the world that has ever saved anybody who's gotten infected with ebola. Only in the united states have we ever done that. And we took someone from Western Africa, brought them to America and cured them in America. And what did we do with the onset of COVID, with a bunch of Americans that were trapped in China? We put them in vacuum-sealed planes and brought them to America. We are our own worst enemy, and if there's ever a no kidding zombie outbreak, as in World War Z, we will fill planes full of zombies.
Speaker 1:And bring them here.
Speaker 2:To places that don't have zombies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we probably would, but we will. We will say we were scared and we were trying that.
Speaker 2:It's like shooting somebody in your home.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He broke into my home. I was scared, I shot him.
Speaker 1:See, and I looked at it from a, because I'm originally from Florida and I saw Florida shut down and then open up and then. So I always had kind of the a lot of people in my family got it, most people survived, you know, and I would just kind of hear, okay, my family got it, most people survived, and I would just kind of hear, okay, I got it, just so you know that wasn't your family.
Speaker 2:Most people who got it survived.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Many of us got it more than once and continued to survive.
Speaker 1:So you want to know something? That's funny Stuff. I can say that I'm not. I don't really care, I didn't sign an NDI, I just left. But the place I worked at we're the ones that gave it to Governor Northam, because the governor came to HRT to unveil some new whatever and a lot of us had it, but we didn't know what it was. We were just like, yeah man, I just walked over there and have a hard time breathing, and so he came to unveil something. The next thing, you know, governor's got COVID.
Speaker 2:I got it in November of 19. In November of 19, I got sick like I had never been sick and it whooped my butt. I remember, when I came back to work, my young YN2, jocelyn Escobar. She's like a senior. I mean, mr Guy, are you okay? I'm like, yeah, why, what's up? She goes, you've never taken a sick day before and I said I never needed it before. But my friend, she had been traveling to the hot spots, international airports, all of like that, and we're in Europe, so it touches down in Spain. She brings it, she works with my wife, my wife brings it home to me, I get it, my wife gets it, my dog gets it. This is November of 2019. And then we're okay. And then, in February of 2020, there's these rumblings about this new flu that's going on out there. That, oh, okay, not really thinking anything of it. And uh, and then by March you know we're fired and uh, everything is shut down see that, and that's what was our, our thing.
Speaker 1:We got it first we didn't know what it was, we were just kind of walking Because we did foot patrols, stuff like that. We were like similar to a mobile inspection team, but we were like a mobile enforcement team. So if you're causing trouble on any of the transits, the bus stops, we drive to you, we get you off the bus, and so a lot of us. We'd just be like you know, I think my shortness of breath is coming back. I had it as a child, you know, and that whole thing has happened. And then, like a few months later, it comes out this cool stuff and we're just like oh remember that time we couldn't breathe walking up the stairs.
Speaker 1:Maybe we had that thing and it was just. I never had anything that took me out of work. It just kind of lasted three days. I went to the va, va gave me inhalers, they you know. Then they were just like oh yeah, people are coming in with this and yeah, that was basically it they didn't put you on, not a respirator.
Speaker 2:What was the? Other thing, ventilator, yeah, they didn't put you on a respirator. What was the other thing? No, a ventilator. Yeah, they didn't put you on a ventilator no. Which is the worst treatment they could have possibly given so many people. And then again, we're Americans. We're not traditionally known for being the healthiest people on the planet. You've got so many people who get this that already had multiple comorbidities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, already had multiple comorbidities, you know.
Speaker 2:Then you've got some really suspicious math on how they're trying to to make those numbers seem a lot higher than they are.
Speaker 1:You got people dying in car accidents and somehow that's covid related yes, my, my, my grandfather was was in that category because his cancer had went into remission and just him going back and forth to the hospital to do his chemo. He ended up getting COVID and then they were like, oh, he's he, this, this happened Now. He's got pneumonia and then he passed away. And they were like, yeah, he passed away from COVID and I'm just kind of sitting around like 85 year old man, uh, cancer, already going through chemo, had already picked out his casket, you know.
Speaker 2:Before he ever heard the word COVID yeah and so it was one of those.
Speaker 1:Like, all I know is he's passed away. At this point I just don't want to get more pissed off and cynical than I already am, so I'm just going to whatever you want to ask. I'm just gonna come preach a eulogy and and be with my family. But yeah, they label him him as like a covet related death too, and I was like I don't know how cancer became, you know.
Speaker 2:But well how the whole thing became uh, I would say headline driven. It was a disease, disease that was more about making money for the news channels and making money for the pharmacies and testing some kind of radical new ways of fighting. I'm for it. You know, I'm pro human If we could find a better way to fight viruses. I'm for it. I'm pro-human If we could find a better way to fight viruses. I'm for that. We did skip a lot of steps along the way when we created these so-called viruses and there have been a ton of adverse side effects and a lot of healthy people who survived. Covid ended up dying for other reasons, unexplained Young, healthy people.
Speaker 1:Do you think that? Are you more that COVID was organic or that it was from the research that was going on in the Wuhan lab?
Speaker 2:You know, John Stewart did a great example of pointing out that it's a little too goddamn coincidental that the COVID virus came from a lab that specifically studies the Wuhan COVID virus, and then, as is always the case, the attempts to blame it on other things. Now I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1:I remember I did a show where they were. I did a show where they was like. I remember saying, oh, it came from bats and the wet markets, yeah, and the wet market?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you also might not remember that in China they were. There were massive construction projects going on to build hospitals, going on to build hospitals. They were building massive hospitals in record times to house all of the COVID victims that were the closest to Wuhan.
Speaker 1:The Wuhan Center of Virology, I think.
Speaker 2:Right. So the things that had the strain that escaped Wuhan apparently was the most fatal in and around Wuhan and the further it got away from Wuhan the less fatal it became, because they were doing mass graves, they were doing mass incarceration and they were doing massive public work projects for hospitals in. Wuhan.
Speaker 2:I firmly believe that Fauci and his ilk that love testing painful procedures on fucking beagles. I don't know how to drop the f-bomb, but out of all the dogs you can choose, you can choose one of the most beloved breeds out there a freaking beagle and they're doing these stupid experiments on them only. And those are american tax dollars being spent in china to do that. We wouldn't allow to be conducted in the united states don't you get me talking about american tax dollars.
Speaker 1:This, this episode will be five hours, but it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not like we're going to disagree we're probably going to agree that all of those tax dollars we're spending everywhere don't need to be there because I used to be very different.
Speaker 1:I used to say stuff like foreign aid is diplomacy, and now I'm just like no, I no longer believe that there was a time when four and eight was diplomacy and and now I just now.
Speaker 1:It's an expectation well, it's also like now I'm gonna say something because I, because I think I jinxed the poor guy, I think I have that much power for the last time. Me and you talked, we, we were talking, and I said I like Tucker Carlson, and you said, oh, and right after I said that his whole life just went to shit.
Speaker 2:I disagree with you. Tucker Carlson is not living right now.
Speaker 1:He's living a great life. No, I don't mean that he went in poverty, but it was just like that's when everything hit the fan. There's an episode he's on this thing. This show this week called this Fucking Guy and I was like I thought Tucker was doing good because he was just asking questions. The next thing I know Dominion's lawsuit and this-o automatic and whatever, and I said if I would have never gave him a compliment, they would have never taken it.
Speaker 2:Don't pay me no compliments.
Speaker 1:But, but. But that's why I started to kind of look at all the why are we actually giving these people this much money? And I would drive up the street. And this is COVID helped me with this. The shelter's closed here, and when the shelter's closed I go to work. I look at the camera. There's a lot of people in the bus station that don't look like they're riders. And I go there to the bus station and out of 110 people, three people have a bus pass, yeah, and the rest of them were homeless.
Speaker 2:Well, bus station, library, I mean, where else are they going to go?
Speaker 1:And so I was just like I did not know that there was this many homeless people in this city. And then you start going home and you look to the left, look to the right and homeless people everywhere. And then so my brain did the the the paleo conservative versus neo conservative thing and I said, if I'm going to spend money that I'm not going to see, I'd rather it go to them than to somebody that's not even in this country.
Speaker 2:For 30 years now. There's an organization out there called Citizens Watch that releases their annual pork projects. They basically look at the federal government's budget whenever the federal government has time to put the budget together instead of a freaking continuing resolution, but they look at where we're spending money and they identify all of these things, like you know, like the, the ten thousand dollars, ten million dollars that we're sending to congo to do, um, gender equality studies in a place that'll chop your head off if you, uh, if you pretend to use a pronoun that does not belong to you yeah yeah, we've been sending millions and billions of dollars to places over years for ridiculous things and years ago, when they tried to bring in the line item veto, it was to give the president the power to say, no, yeah, I, I, you know you put together all these pork barrel projects under an omnibus spending bill and the only way any of these things get funded is if I sign off on all the dumb shit that you've included.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they brought the line I have veto in and said, mr president, if you think it's stupid, you can say no to that line and and that a great idea, and that was just the. Supreme Court said no, it isn't.
Speaker 1:It's a bad idea.
Speaker 2:It's illegal.
Speaker 1:Of course I'm a bit biased because I think they're picking on this particular person, the name I'm going to say you're going to say Darrell's loss of credibility. But he did have a good idea and it was the congressman from Florida, Matt Gatz, and he wanted to bring back the procedure where you have one bill, you bring it up, it is one issue and you vote on that issue and they act like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:How dare you, how dare you? This is why I don't give compliments, even the one I said I liked the last time Newt Gingrich he came out. I listened to Newt Gingrich's podcast, gingrich D60. He says Matt Gaetz is deranged. He just doesn't like Speaker McCarthy. And I kept thinking, no, I'd actually like to just give one damn thing up there so I can say I hate it. Move on to the next one. That sounds okay.
Speaker 2:You see through the Maybelline right, you look behind the curtain. If you provide a clean bill, this is the thing that we want to spend this money on. And then you say, OK, senators, representatives, yes or no. Then you clear away all the mud. Then you get rid of all the bullshit where it's like well, I can only get money for my people if I agreed to all of this other bullshit. You get rid of all that with a clean bill. And Gates has got his issues, but I do like him, but he's not the first person to come up with that idea.
Speaker 2:But they will never do it because they live in the murky. They live in the backroom deals. That level of transparency does not work with people who need deception. That's why they write the bills like darrell mcclain is the greatest guy that ever lived of bill, and then deep inside the bill, it's all about taking everything darryl mclean ever had oh no, this is why we don't do politics on my show, because I don't curse on my show, but I start politics, I start dropping f-bombs.
Speaker 1:Look, you come on here once a month and say all your cussing, say oh, but this is the thing.
Speaker 2:Please forgive me if you ever listen to lunsby show. I promise you won't hear foul language there, and even if I do slip up, I'll bleep it out in post see, but this is the thing that I because you you said that Matt Gaetz had his issues and people will.
Speaker 1:Because I said the same thing about Donald Trump His issues are the issues that normal men have. You want to get laid? It's been the driving force of our existence for millennia and then they're like, oh, this gentleman got laid and oh, he paid somebody. And then so that's where I have my George Carlin and I say, well, sex is legal and buying things is legal, but buying sex Illegal, and that's where I go to my Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 2:buying thing is legal but buying sex Illegal. And that's where I go to my Charlie Sheen. I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's just one of those things where I'm just like the things that you will so you can have this pandemic or whatever and pass out fake BS information and kill hundreds of thousands of people. Nobody charged. Man has consensual sex with person.
Speaker 2:Gives them money fbi investigation not only that we'll talk about. I wanted to talk about that. So not only is it an FBI investigation before that. Okay, man has sex or doesn't? Man does or does not have sex with woman. Woman says you had sex with me and I'm going to tell everybody, unless you give me some money. They come to a lawful agreement and sign a piece of paper that says you're allowed to think what you want to think, I'm allowed to think what I want to think, but here is X amount of money so that we don't have to have this discussion in public. Now she broke that legal document, that nondisclosure agreement. She broke it and she has been taken to court and she has been sued and she owes him money for all his attorney fees and for everything that was included, because she broke the NDA that she signed. So that isn't a deal at all and how. You can't say that's a legal expense that you pay a lawyer to draft up a nondisclosure agreement. He didn't even.
Speaker 2:Oh, let me use this analogy. I have shared this analogy with but a few people. I am sharing it with you and your audience in the hopes that you, of all people, understand exactly what I'm about to say. You know military law was my thing. I taught military law. That is me. Let me equate the charges against Donald J Trump the 35 felony charges that he was convicted of in New York City, right With a judge whose daughter makes money from the DNC, in a district where only 5% of the people voted for Donald Trump. It was the equivalent of a black man going to trial in Mississippi in the 1950s for having sex with a white woman. He was the Jack Johnson of 2024.
Speaker 1:Jack.
Speaker 2:Johnson, by the way, a man Donald Trump pardoned People don't remember that A man who got in trouble for having sex with white women. That's all Jack Johnson ever did.
Speaker 1:He was the baddest man in the ring and he loved to bang some white women, and I'm going to add in there Jack Johnson bagged a white woman when they would admit something.
Speaker 2:The more I think of that, the funnier that gets. Alright, alright, alright In military terms. I am your chief, you are my sailor. You decide of your own fruition that you're going to go UA, You're going to commit the act of unauthorized absence and you're gone for 34 days. It doesn't matter if you're gone for 34 days, 60 days or 90 days. If I don't change the charges to dereliction, I mean to desertion, it is a misdemeanor punishable by less than one year in prison. It's a misdemeanor. You chose to go UA for 34 days, Many years later, after you've left the Navy, so you can no longer be charged with that misdemeanor. Many years later, the federal government charges me, your chief, with your unauthorized absence, not for one day or one period of time, but for all 34 days individually, which still is a misdemeanor. So you're not even in the Navy anymore. I didn't tell you to go UA, I didn't tell you to stay UA. I had nothing to do with you, little Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2:You did it. There's 34 charges against you. Instead of charge for being ua for 34 days, they charge you 34 times for being ua one day. And because that's not a felony and you're not in the navy anymore, they charge me with desertion 34 times for your ua. And if anybody has ever been in the military, if that doesn't paint a perfect picture of what they did to Donald Trump, you are smoking the nasty Because that is a perfect illustration of what they did to him covered the Trump trial and I tried to kind of be very fair because I listened to the gentleman that I let, encouraged to start a podcast and, uh, josh got over opinionated.
Speaker 1:I told him I see something good in you and now he's going to seminary to be a preacher and that's actually what I saw. So so he's gonna do like a once a week or something like that, but anyway. So I listened to him, you know, and he kind of said, oh, it's all a sham, and you know, you know, he's conservative. Then I listened to some of the liberals and they say, well, you know, donald Trump did do this thing. Take the, the unpopular opinion and say, I don't care, I'm mistaken about, for the greater good of the country, is this healthy? And then I said no, because obviously polarization is real, um, but I just said you can't get into this habit of throwing people in jail for things that we all know everybody's kind of doing in their businesses.
Speaker 1:And if you, I don't go down that road is a is a very dangerous step that I don't want to take, even if I don't, if I am, in my heart, despise a lot of these people, if I am, in my heart, despise a lot of these people and so, and so I I looked at it in in from the, from the standpoint of. Even if it did happen, I didn't think it was good for the, for the overall function of how we make this thing work, and I am a leathery middle-aged cynic. I am a leathery middle-aged cynic just because of how much I've worked in the system and I always tell people I'm somebody that went from George Bush to Ron Paul to Bernie Sanders to fuck them all. The only one I can mildly stand now is Thomas Massey.
Speaker 2:I do like Thomas Massey Sassy with math.
Speaker 1:Josh Hawley does stuff every now and then that I like. I used to like Ted Cruz. I still think Ted Cruz is very intelligent and I think Bernie Sanders will every now and then say something that indicts the system. But I just know very good speech. Where's the policy? It doesn't exist. I've just. And so I told my friend today. I said I do not participate in politics, I don't even vote anymore. I said I observe politics and I talk about it, but I can't hold my nose and do the thing anymore. Uh, my buddy said the other day he said he said, daryl, you're like the coolest black guy I know, but I know you're a trump supporter. And I just laughed and I said I don't vote for incumbents, that so I don't give the damn who's in power, I'll go vote against you just to get you out.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, unfortunately there's not enough of us that are like-minded. There's no doubt in my mind that there needs to be term limits in Congress. There's no doubt in my mind these people have been there way too long way too long and it shows they are untouchable people.
Speaker 2:The scariest part about lawfare and it's been tried in other banana republics before and there is a long history of what is happening in the United States right now when you start to imprison your opponents, instead of beating them at the ballot box, you beat them using the legal system. And there's no doubt that none of these even Andrew Cuomo of all people said if this man's name was not Donald Trump, these charges would have never been brought forward. The president of the United States said we are going to do everything legally possible to prevent him from running again. So they have admitted that they are going to use lawfare to prevent him from running.
Speaker 1:Did you hear the John Bolton thing?
Speaker 2:Just a second. He wins, he has to have retribution. He has to right. He has to Because they did it to him. He has to do it back to them. Now we're dealing in that domestic violence cycle where I hit you, you hit me, we hit each other Until somebody ends up dead. Because in banana republics in the past they start. They always start by locking up their opponent, but eventually the opponent gets out, the opponent gains power or seizes power by force. So I think everything the Biden Justice Department has done against former President Trump is a travesty. I am fearful that if Trump wins, the natural tendency would be to fight back. I want to punch back, you would want to punch back. They're costing millions of dollars, dollars. They're defiling his character. I mean again, the man's what? 74 years old, and now he's got his first conviction ever not a dui, not, not a drug effect, nothing in his entire life, 74 year old former president trumped up charges. And then of there's still the Georgia charges that are out there.
Speaker 1:There's still the I thought the Georgia charges because of Fannie Willis can't keep her behavior. That's a whole. I've stayed away from that on purpose because there was nothing but vitriol in my mouth when I thought about it.
Speaker 2:I thought that that was Another person who publicly said that she is going to, you know, go after Donald Trump, and she did exactly what she told her voters she was going to do.
Speaker 1:But I thought that one had been thought that one had been suspended indefinitely or postponed indefinitely or something like that.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, but what does that mean? It doesn't mean charges have been dropped.
Speaker 1:It just means it's been postponed indefinitely. It's like Nikki Haley's US people in every kind of foreign entanglement. He wants to be in every war that he doesn't have to put his own ass on the line in.
Speaker 2:He's 100% about himself.
Speaker 1:He's 100 percent about himself. And so he was on Piers Morgan and he said well, he said the prosecutors actually engaged in what we would call a democratic theory. And he said so, if you believe a democratic theory, and it doesn't have anything to do with a Republican or a Democrat he said the prosecutor ran that he was going to get Trump. He ran that he was going to prosecute Trump. He said and the voters voted him to prosecute Trump, so he says so, according to democratic theory, the prosecutor had to deliver on what he told the voters he was going to do. And I just kind of I let it all play out, Forget the law, and I thought like they didn't even have jurisdiction.
Speaker 2:And I thought Over the chart.
Speaker 1:I just thought play that to his logical extreme, because I thought John Bolton was supposed to be a conservative, and conservatives aren't supposed to be populist, they're not supposed to believe in mob rule. But now you got elected to arrest somebody, so you better arrest them.
Speaker 2:In the long line of people that stabbed Trump in the back John Bolton's right there at the top, and again you know tactical errors on Trump's part. These are people that, because they had an R next to their name or because they worked for previous presidents, because they had an R next to their name or because they worked for previous presidents and because they were in the swamp, he mistakenly thought he could trust some of these people who did not work to his benefit.
Speaker 1:Before I get you on these questions, I want you to answer. I want you to listen to my statement and tell me if I'm off base here I am listening. This is the problem that I think happens with a lot of well-intentioned presidents is they go in to those to that office and they trust the people around them because they do not know. So you, when you're campaigning to me, a campaign is nothing more than an advertisement, like the best toothpaste, and you may have some ideas, but you haven't thought about who's going to be the CIA director or the NSA director or the FBI. You haven't thought about the judges you're going to appoint. You haven't thought about who's going to be the director of budget and management or the Consumer Protection Bureau or any of these things. So you go into office. Maybe, if you have political experience, you may have the chief of staff that you brought with you and that's it. And then DC surrounds you and they says what about this guy? Oh, he used to be the admin. Blah, blah, blah for this. He'll be great.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, this guy loves you. This guy makes you the best thing since sliced bread. You want this guy.
Speaker 1:And then they surround you and the only new person in that building is you and your chief of staff.
Speaker 2:You know, and it's like, and the thing is strangely enough, we have the longest transition period of any government. Our election is in November and we don't, we don't give the guy, the new guy, keys until January.
Speaker 1:You know why, though.
Speaker 2:I feel like I got that wrong. When do we do March right? Yeah, but I'm saying they moved it from January to March because it was too cold in DC in January.
Speaker 1:And it used to only be that way because most of the well-known politicians lived in Pennsylvania. They had to travel yeah, to travel by horse carriage. I was hoping you knew that one, because you're in Pennsylvania right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we have this extended transition period, but we really don't get a lot done during that period. I know there was no love from the Obama administration in assisting the Trump administration when they took over. Conversely, there was no love assisting the Trump administration when they took over. Conversely, there was no love from the Trump administration to assist the Biden administration when they took over. It's going to be the same thing again and he's hopefully learned some lessons along the way. Like right now. Just think about who are the most important people in a president's life. Just think about who are the most important people in a president's life Like. These are the people you need to bring with you that don't have inside the swamp experience. I would say your chief of staff is probably one of those people. Your attorney general probably needs to be somebody outside of the Justice Department. Your CIA director man that's a hard one to fill for somebody outside the intelligence community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, General.
Speaker 2:Petras found that out the hard way. There's another guy where they targeted him.
Speaker 1:And they did. I watched it. So when Donald Trump got elected, I was at the what it was got known to be, to tell you a bit, because Alex Jones and all the crazy showed up and it was I was. It was funny because I was doing security there and I was like, oh, that's funny. I kind of listen to the show every now and then. But we had on an American flag. So they thought we worked for the CIA and they were doing all the crazy stuff and was like I work for a private contractor. They just gave me this flag you know, but uh, I remember contractors code for cia.
Speaker 1:But but I remember when, when petraeus got appointed, how pissed the people in that building was because I was working at the FBI building at the time as a contractor, and they weren't even the CIA because he was not of the intelligence. They're going to bring this military guy that didn't and I was just like that's kind of how this works. This has nothing to do with what he's done for the country, his intelligence, nothing.
Speaker 2:It's just he's not one of us and so I kind of saw the writing on the wall. But man, they stayed. They got him, and that was his own people that did that to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And kind of the same with Trump. So, uh, yeah, uh, your attorney general, your CIA director, your national security advisor, your chief of staff, your press secretary man there's, there's a I will say this in the Trump cabinet All right, it's not a cabinet position. And on the Trump staff, he really did do a good job of fielding press secretaries. He really did. The first one was Governor Huckabee right, she's a governor now.
Speaker 1:Yes, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she did an amazing job.
Speaker 1:No, the first one was the guy.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:Look, I can't. I didn't remember his name. Sean Pence. Sean Pence, was that it? No, he was the one that came out, the short guy. This was the biggest inauguration in the history ever, yeah it was a Naval Reserve officer.
Speaker 2:I think it was Sean Pence.
Speaker 1:But she was next Scaramouche, yeah, I was going to say reserve officer. I think it was sean pence, but but she was, she was nice uh scaramooch yes for 20 days yeah, I was gonna say he had the shortest period but sarah huckabee sanders, she did a good job.
Speaker 2:Uh, kaylee mcinerney mcinerney mcinerney. She did a fantastic job that, for the most part, he really did a good job in fielding that position so who do you, who do you think he's, he's looking at seriously for the vice presidential pick?
Speaker 2:I think, uh, governor bergen, if I, if I had to put my money down, bergen, yeah, bergen. If I had to put my money down right now, I would say he's going to pick Governor Bergen. And there's a couple of reasons why. Number one I personally don't like Marco Rubio. Uh, when I was going through my trials and tribulations in Shinhei, I reached out to my senator, my republican senator that I had voted for. I reached out to him and his office didn't have the time of day for me. My wife's family knew Gold Barb Menendez and they reached out to Gold Barb Menendez and, as much as I hate to admit this, that man and his staff helped me through a very, very difficult time in my military career and stopped the Navy from screwing me one last time.
Speaker 1:You know what's crazy? I kind of have the same experience, but it was with Democrats and Republicans. I was the same thing with the Navy. I wrote a letter to Tim Kaine, mark Runner, mark Warner and Donald John Trump and I got a letter and paperwork and what to do from every last one of them.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now granted, what I, what I?
Speaker 2:had his office completely ignored me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what. What I actually did was first I started off with, uh uh, the Congressman in this area Don't even know who he was at the time, I just saw yourself, whatever. I just know he's a black dude and so I started off with him and then I did everything sent that to Kane, got it, did that, sent it to Warner, got that, sent it all to the president's office. Then got it back from the president and I was like, cool, take this shit to the VA, boom. And so and I was like, well, I tried to government that one time and it worked for at least those people.
Speaker 2:So I don't like Rubio on a personal level. I don't like Marco Rubio. Plus, he's a senator and I believe he can win his Senate seat and I wouldn't want to pull him out of that Senate seat because it's very important that if Trump wins the White House, that he keeps the House in the Senate.
Speaker 1:But my only question to that is the seat that Rubio's in in Florida. Do you think that Democrats would have any chance taking that seat?
Speaker 2:There's always a chance.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I thought he was going to, as was an incumbent.
Speaker 2:as a well-known incumbent, I think he has a better chance of keeping that seat. If I remember correctly, uh he, he has had some strong democratic challenges against him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause my my friend Josh, told me that that um Florida has a very strong local. You know Democrat, democratic politicians. I just don't remember when I was growing up, when I was growing up there, republicans ran everything and it was seemed. I'm not going to say it, but it seemed great when I was growing up. So I'll just keep it at that.
Speaker 2:So you know what are your Tim Scott? I really like Tim Scott. I really like Tim Scott. I do. But I don't believe the Republican party needs to pull the race card.
Speaker 1:I like Tim Scott for, but I don't think that Donald Trump I like. Now this is going to be my pick because I think it's safe and I like the guy. I like JD Vance.
Speaker 2:I can't get past the fact that he wears eyeliner.
Speaker 1:I like this book.
Speaker 2:It's the little things. I like the way he speaks, but no world leader is going to pick a man that wears eyeliner seriously.
Speaker 1:But I like where he came from, you know, kentucky. I like the book the Hillbilly Elegy. I like that. He was once anti-Trump and then realized, ok, I've had to realize the errors of my ways and, you know, came to heal. Versus the people that I think, like the Lincoln Project, I view those people as just people stealing people's money. I like him for those reasons. The Lincoln Project or the Lincoln Cabin, the Lincoln Project or the Lincoln Project or whatever, the people that are the Bill Crystals and the non-trump people that just we, they just put out a bunch of ads and and they they don't win anything but they just say really mean stuff and it's like oh, we're democrats, don't know how to fight, so we're gonna.
Speaker 1:It's like you're gonna what you know we're gonna. We're gonna put out a bunch of mean ass that don't do shit, but anyway, I like somebody who will say, at the end of the day I may not agree with this person with 100% of the things, but I agree with 75% and we're going to go with the 75%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm doing this for you. Okay, I'm going to do this for you and I'm going to describe it to the listener, all right? Jd vance wakes up every day and does this you put that damn eyeliner down that's not.
Speaker 1:That's just the mascara I didn't even know the damn difference.
Speaker 2:No, you know, I gotta do it like it every day. He does this right here day, he does this right here, you know, no, no, you can't be taken seriously as the Vice President of the. United States, the potential, a heartbeat away from the presidency, and you're wearing eyeliner.
Speaker 1:No, look, but Donald Trump. It looks orange a lot of the times and we forgave him.
Speaker 2:He does, he sure does, and his hair is all over the place, but the difference between jd vance and donald trump, donald trump is a billionaire and people forget the fact that when you're a billionaire, when you have billions of dollars, you can look what however you want to look. When you look in the mirror and you think it looks cool, you think it looks cool because you're a billionaire. It's okay.
Speaker 1:Jake.
Speaker 2:Vance is not a billionaire, he is a politician, and he's only a politician. He's got to lose the eyeliner or he'll never get my support, plus, in the same category as Tim Scott. He's in Congress. We need him in Congress and he is a good voice. He is a strong supporter. Bergen is the only one that's not in Congress.
Speaker 1:But you know, I would ask the same thing of Tim Scott If he lost, you think?
Speaker 2:he wears eyeliner.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. If South Carolina, if he were to leave, couldn't a South Carolina governor? Is a South Carolina governor a Republican or a Democrat?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I haven't looked. I haven't looked. What I do know is Tim Scott's in Congress. He's been in Congress. He's a strong voice in Congress. I wouldn't want to turn him out to take a rookie in.
Speaker 1:Now you threw in the rookie thing for me. What I was going to say is the governor gets to appoint the congressman until a special election is convened, and blah, blah, blah. We will see Are there any options?
Speaker 2:I didn't consider.
Speaker 1:No, that was the one I liked. There was a bunch of people on the list. I saw the short list. It was Tom Cotton, jd Vance, the woman that shot the puppy. Um yeah, south dakota's governor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so there was. There was a tactical error on her part, that's for sure yeah people love dogs and even if you have to put a dog down, you don't put it in your book.
Speaker 1:Woman I don't know. I don't know how her, being a white woman, would make that mistake. White people is is is who got us on the love of the dogs?
Speaker 2:true, but she's also a farmer, oh yeah no animals and and she thinks that that's just a, you know, a strong woman making a strong decision. And her editor told her the first time she tried to put that in a book, you don't want to do that. And the second time around, she insisted on putting it in the book. Well, that means you can't take advice from people who know what the fuck they're talking about. So Christy Gnome is her name, right? Yeah, christy Gnome, I like her. I like what she's done in South Carolina. South Dakota is open for business. Back when they were going through COVID, she dresses up in other people's uniforms. I like her. She made a huge tactical error when she talked about killing a dog, even though the dog bit people, even though the dog was a bad dog, it needed to be put down.
Speaker 1:She had to juxtapose Major Biden.
Speaker 2:That's been biting everybody right, yeah, but both of the dogs, both of biden's german shepherds, have aggressively attacked people in the white house to include many secret service agents been biting everybody did this many times before they were taken out of the white house and where are they now?
Speaker 1:they're being babysat by a government employee getting bit every day, paid a ton of money to babysit these dogs so my my, uh, next uh question slash statement is I was watching a bit of the coverage Fox News, newsmax, and I watched the tone kind of go from Joe Biden's a dittering old man can't finish his last name, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Going to fall off the stage, can't walk up the steps to Donald Trump said two days ago you know he's a really good debater and I watched him debate Paul Ryan and I kept thinking have they so under made the ladder and the bar so low for Joe Biden in the debate that they're trying to oversell how good of a debater he is? Just in case to oversell how good of a debate it is? Just in case, because this is the first time that I can remember that both the incumbent and the challenger have not had a debate in four years. Normally the challenger goes through the primary process, so they practice, practice, practice and whoever the incumbent is normally gets beat. The only people that I saw that didn't this didn't happen to is reagan looked good in his debate even after he had been in four years and clinton looked good in his debate even after four years. Obama got just his ass handed to him by Mitt Romney in the first debate there is a huge difference between believing something, wholeheartedly believing in something, and talking points.
Speaker 2:The reason Biden is going through this isolation, this seven days of debate prep, is because they they in theory, they are prepping him for the best tested responses that he needs to get. Do I believe that's happening? Absolutely not. I believe they're working out the magic formula. Whatever it is that they need to give him to keep him upright for 90 minutes is what they're doing and that's what all of this has been about. It's been getting him on the right sleep cycle. It's been measuring the B12. What is the medication balance that they need to give him to keep him upright for 90 minutes and coherent? That's what I believe they're doing, but in theory they're just they're making sure he says the best tested answers to any possible questions and what Donna Brazile has proven to us in the past he most likely has the questions that CNN is going to ask him. There's not going to be any surprise. On the other side is Donald Trump, who is going to rally, to rally, to rally.
Speaker 2:I have watched full-on one hour Donnelly. He was right here in Harrisburg, pennsylvania. I couldn't get in. The place was absolutely packed. I was able to go online. I was able to watch the entire thing live. He does a full hour. He's like a seasoned comic. Okay, he's like a comic who's done his act over and over and over again. He gets up, he knows where his mark is, he knows where the punchline is. It's premise setup and punch. That is setup and punch, and he hits it every fucking time, no matter where he's playing, and he's been doing this for months. So, although it is not debate prep, this is nothing but solidifying his position for every possible thing that they could throw the danger. A narcissist like Donald Trump. I'm not making any excuses for him. He's clearly a narcissist, right?
Speaker 1:What politician isn't a narcissist?
Speaker 2:Exactly. But when they try to personally attack him, he is known for the counterpunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he always punches back.
Speaker 2:He's known for taking the punch and he's known for his counterpunch, but with Joe Biden in his current state and again in two hours. He always punches back. He's known for taking the punch and he's known for his counterpunch, but with Joe Biden in his current state and again in two hours, I don't know who we're going to see. I don't know if we're going to see the guy who, who can't mumble his words, you know who walks off into the distance the fake news version, because he was just walking off to somewhere else, according to them. Or we're going to see the guy at the state of the union address who was just angry and shouting and screaming and impatient. Or I don't know who we're going to see. But whoever we see, the worst thing donald trump can do is beat up an old man see, my thing is.
Speaker 1:My thing is you can't beat up an old man.
Speaker 2:So Donald Trump, no matter how you film it.
Speaker 1:So Donald Trump is 78. Joe Biden is 81. Yeah, and so they are both post retirement age to me, and so I look at it like when I looked at a poll that showed 65% of people did not want the rematch. I don't even think a lot of people that aren't politicals are even going to look at this debate, and I kind of think that's why the Biden administration made the debate so early. So if they flop, you got four months left to recover.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's about recovering. I think it's about replacing him. I believe, if he fails miserably tonight, if his cognitive diminishment shows clearly to everybody, I believe this will be the most viewed presidential debate in history.
Speaker 1:See, I think, I think, I think it's kind of the opposite. Only because of the voter apathy, I think that, especially now that you've taken out the crowd and no, no crowd and you're talking about the two most popular presidents of all time. What.
Speaker 2:That's just math, man. Donald Trump won more votes than anybody and Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump.
Speaker 1:Have you seen the Andrew Schultz comedy special where he said Biden ain't got no merch? I don't. I've said this for almost four years now. I have yet to meet a Joe Biden supporter, and I've said it. I teach jujitsu, I travel, I talk, I have you can call in. I have yet to meet a Joe Biden supporter. I've met people who don't like Donald Trump. So I don't think Joe Biden is popular. I think he's the alternative.
Speaker 1:And if I were to put got no merch and if I were to put my, if I were to put my dog Thor in there? You know, because of the animus that the media has created around Donald Trump, even a professor that I like, who wrote a book that I just read and liked and I bought from my friend Late Admissions Confessions of a Black Conservative. And I bought from my friend Late Admissions Confessions of a Black Conservative, if anybody wants to read the book by Professor Glenn Lowry says you guys talked about how Donald Trump was going to be this and this and this awful person and the next Hitler, and we had four years and it just didn't happen. We'd all seem to just kind of, and so now it's just like I think that, as Charlemagne said, it's you either vote. The voting is between Donald Trump, joe Biden and the couch, and I think a lot of people are going to say the couch, the couch I don't want to see. Joe Biden does not inspire me and Donald Trump no longer scares me.
Speaker 2:Joe Biden does not inspire me and Donald Trump no longer scares me. That is very well put.
Speaker 1:Joe Biden doesn't inspire me, donald Trump doesn't scare me, so I'm going to stay at home. Yeah, and Donald Trump's base for Is motivated and the only thing and is growing. And the only thing that you can say about Biden's base, the only thing that he has, the only issue which I think is funny that he has is the issue that I agree with him on I disagree with him on is abortion, because in the last debate he said abortion is on the ballot and Trump said abortion is not on the ballot, and then the Supreme Court obviously cut it. Roe v Wade said abortion is on the ballot and trump said abortion is not on the ballot, and john and he and and then the supreme court on it was obviously gutted. Roe v wade and I celebrated and everybody cried and I just kept my celebration kind of muted, but but, uh, I think that's it. If you can, if you can keep pushing that, that nerve, with those um, white, liberal and whatever moderate voters, the women, that's the only hope that Joe Biden has.
Speaker 2:There are so few people out there who are waiting to make up their mind. Everybody's mind is made up.
Speaker 1:But I'm looking at the. If it's just about those three states the Pennsylvania, the Michigan what was the last one? Wisconsin?
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter, he's winning them all right now. Yes, trump is winning them all right now and they're trying to make abortion a thing, but ever since the, is it the Dobbs decision?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Dobbs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ever since the Dobbs decision there has been more abortions than the previous year. The Dobbs decision just took it off of the federal level. It was never a right, there was never a right, but it took it off the federal level. It moved it appropriately to the state level, and the state you live in, ladies and gentlemen, makes the rules for where you live. And if you don't like it at the state level, you can either move out of the state or you can get rid of the politicians. It's easier to do at the state level than it is at the federal level. Going all the way back to our previous discussion, we'll fight the fight at the school board, but at the federal level.
Speaker 2:We just kind of accept it for what it is. So the Dobbs decision is a good thing. And again, you know we've got we've got a senator here in Pennsylvania that's running McCormick or a candidate that's running McCormick who in the last election is like no abortions, no exceptions ever, and he lost wholeheartedly and he should have, because no one agrees with that.
Speaker 1:I kind of agree with it.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I apologize, that was an inappropriate statement. Most people don't agree with that Most people agree that there is a reasonable amount of time.
Speaker 1:That's what I said today. I will give you your six weeks and at the very max, I will give you 15.
Speaker 2:Most people agree to 15 weeks. All right, because 15 weeks we're talking, you know, still cells. But I think we're on the verge of having a heartbeat which changes things. You know, I am against abortion as a means of birth control. But, I'm not against the day after pill, I am pro contraception and if you take it to the extreme, that could be considered abortion right.
Speaker 2:I'm killing them before they even get to the egg. And once they get to the egg, if there's a pill within a reasonable couple of days after inception that can terminate that pregnancy, I'm okay with that. But once we're talking the formation of a fetus, now we're talking a human being, a being, and that's after 15 weeks. And then that's where I'm out of the argument. But there are people on the opposite side of the aisle who, all the way up until nine months, until the moment of delivery, it's OK. They want abortion to be that legal. Well then, why stop there? Why not just have post-term abortions, like up until the age of what? Eight, nine, 16? At any point, you made them, you can recreate them right.
Speaker 1:The old Bill.
Speaker 1:Cosby adage always tell people I'm a libertarian that leans to the anarchists, and I always say and so you have your libertarians, who libertarians, who, um, lean conservative, and I'm a libertarian where I say, like I kind of think it's all illegitimate, but I'm willing to play along. And so I just say one thing that's always made me very uncomfortable is I've always said I do not believe this state should have a right to kill its citizens, and we can debate about adult citizens who have done bad things, but I know for a fact that they, in your stomach, has done nothing bad, and the only person that's made a bad choice is you. And how much am I going to let you keep making bad choices?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is reasonableness to be found. Okay, but once you're carrying a child, that child has a right to live.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but once you're carrying a child, that child has a right to live. Yeah, and that's kind of where I'm at. It is, just because the state comes along and says something is correct, I'm somebody that says, oh, I'm sorry, I actually don't get my moral standing from what the state says is correct. I'd be in a very shabby condition because I have to change my opinion every six years or so and I'm just not interested. Um, as somebody who has had the pleasure of having a child, following a child who's now three and losing a child, I say I already approach it from a very emotional level already because I love children and I also believe, like you can't keep, you're not going to populate good American citizens from other cultures, the best way to do it is in your own home. And I think a lot of people will do this drastic thing and I've seen it and then regret it forever and I just think if we give them some resources and maybe some time, maybe money we weren't giving to the Congo, you know they would make different choices.
Speaker 1:You know they would make different choices, and so I just say that you had your decision, you had your fun, you went out, you had your drinks, you had your good night. Now give yourself 18 years of penance, raise the child, and I understand that. That's just my position, and I understand that that's just my position. I don't think you, even when it comes to like people with problems. I have a friend with no arms and no legs by the name of Kyle Maynard, you know, and who went on to have a successful wrestling career and is a motivational speaker. Know, it's stuff like that. I know personally that that my mother, you know who's passed away now. Her friends told her to abort me and because my father died before she had me, uh, so it's just like I. I think that, uh, there's a lot of times when we make these choices that are permanent, when you just have a temporary emotion, and and and so and, and, when you use the, the state, who, who, the state has a very hard time saying they're wrong.
Speaker 1:They'll just do the wrong thing, as long as we tolerate the wrong thing, and from a perspective that I don't often talk about, but it's from my Christian perspective the worst thing you could do is kill your own children.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I beg to differ a little bit. I think the worst thing you could do is not only kill your children, but then brag about it. Then make it seem like it's acceptable If you have had multiple abortions. And you're bragging about the fact that you've had multiple abortions and encouraging other people to make the same mistakes that you've made. I think that's the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so and that's just kind of the position I've taken. So when it went back to the states, I was, I was telling my friend Josh Scott, and I just said, look, I think conservatives got caught in the back foot because they've been talking about this legally and I think they should have been talking about this spirit, emotional, spiritual, what were? They were just like when Tim Scott said in that debate, when he when he quoted that Bible verse and said I believe that you are fearfully and wonderfully made and God created you and counts the hairs on your head.
Speaker 2:Nobody knew what to say.
Speaker 1:And I said but that's what I believe. It doesn't mean that you're not depressed or sad or whatever, but I'm telling you that there's a God and he loves you and if he gave you life, why would you not at least want to pass it along? It doesn't always have to be perfect, but it is life and I prefer I've been around, I prefer being alive, not to pull you in that in that conversation, but that's the only thing that I think that that Biden is really gonna try to wrap themselves in, which, to me, I I'm a single issue voter. When it comes to that, if you are the party of abortion, you're the party that lost me, and so, but I'm very comfortable sitting there. So, and that's fine, I'll pick life every single time and I don't regret it.
Speaker 1:And, um, the only other thing that I was I was gonna say is that the people I was wondering how would Trump do without the crowd being there, because Trump very good feeds off the crowd. I remember even when Bob Kasich hit him with some lines and Trump said something and they booed and Trump turned around and says oh no, those are just his donors, it's. You know that. That's what I'm going to find interesting. How does Trump do without the feedback from the crowd?
Speaker 2:And let's remember where Donald Trump comes from. Donald Trump comes from corporate America and long before he was president of the United States and long before he was the boss on the Apprentice. He didn't play to large crowds. He spoke to boardrooms full of people, Whether they were an international audience or a local audience. He dealt with people on an individual basis. The art of the deal is about dealing with people. He can do this. This is in his wheelhouse. Would he prefer to have an audience there? Yes, Would the audience make him more susceptible to gaps? I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 2:I believe that he would say things where he would play to the crowd, but it's just going to be him and three people against him. That's what this is. It's one against three and he can't beat up on one because it's going to look like elder abuse. He can't beat up on the other two because they control the narrative. So it's a very careful walk he's got to do tonight. He's got to be presidential. He's got to be honest. He's got to be wholesome. He has to speak his message. That he has. He's got his message. He knows what it is, I think he's got his principles.
Speaker 2:I think he's got to do it carefully.
Speaker 1:I think he's got to look at Joe Biden, and this is, if Donald Trump can hear me now he's got to look at Joe Biden and see Hillary Clinton, and and that's because Joe Biden oozes be empathetic to me, and so I think there's moments he's going to have opportunities.
Speaker 2:Donald Trump, you, you are a convicted felon and, mr President, you were an unconvicted felon. You are. You have conducted a lot of felonious acts, you just haven't been convicted yet. Yes, I just think of some of the off the wall stuff that Biden has said, that has been caught on tape, where his numbers are all out of whack and, of course, donald's not going to be able to respond because his mic's going to be off. But when they turn his mic on, all he could do is, you know, check on Joe's mental condition.
Speaker 1:Are you?
Speaker 2:OK, are you? Do you want me to get you a chair? Are you sure? Because your numbers that you're speaking are not the actual numbers. When I left the office, the numbers were this and that was during covid. You know, he can, he can, but he's just, he's got to be nice and I believe he can be nice. You just think he has to deliver and I, and I believe if the crowd was there much like myself, I would play to the crowd.
Speaker 1:See my last political question I'm going to hit you with is Donald Trump wins, he gets his four years. He can't run again. Who comes after?
Speaker 2:Whoever he chooses as his vice president is going to be the heir apparent. I can't think of any. Oh well, biden is a great example. So when Obama left office, biden should have been the presumptive nominee, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1:Well, that's because Hillary Snapped on him. Yeah, yeah, but did you see the post I put on Facebook today? I didn't. I was at work all day on.
Speaker 2:Facebook. Today I didn't. I was at work all day.
Speaker 1:So I learned that this morning and I decided to share it with everybody because I just learned it. So I pretended like I always knew it. The first time Joe Biden ran for president was in 1987. Correct. And I just put I was one year old, I am now and I originally at first I said I am now 38. I originally at first I said I am now 38. America hasn't changed in 38 years. And then I edited. It was like the Democrats haven't found a better candidate and I just put. And then I just deleted it and I said the first time Joe Biden ran for president was in 1987. I was one year old and now I am 38. And then I just left. It failed. I was one year old and now I am 38.
Speaker 2:And then I just left it Failed candidate every time it was tried, except in the state of Delaware where he was able to be successful. Do you remember why he had to drop out in 1987?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he got caught lying. Plagiarism yes, of course. Stealing speeches and life stories from somebody in another country nothing has changed.
Speaker 2:Oh man, you know, he, he, they, they call him gaff prone. We, we know he's gaff prone, no no, I that are unacceptable. If anyone else said them see, see, the biggest thing, assuming Donald Trump does win, do you have a likely vice president? Do you have a likely heir apparent?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, I do. Do not say the fake, yes, I do, and it's going to be off the wall. But I would either go with Massey or I would go with Paul Ryan. I mean not Paul Ryan, rand Paul.
Speaker 2:Both of them I like. I do, and it's only because I've never heard anything from Massey that makes me think he wants to go any higher up the ladder.
Speaker 1:And it's only because they both have a libertarian streak that I think they will keep the entanglements with foreign adventurers at bay. They will keep the admin state as much as they can the unelected people in the admin state, you know scared. And if they can do that for eight years and sometimes call this back to a more centralized state by state power, I think that'll be good for everybody. And so I like Rand Paul. Look, people usually think I was crazy when I just like Ron Paul and they'd say, oh, he's blah, blah, blah, he's the one out of the fan. And then so when Rand Paul popped up, I originally didn't like him. I say, oh, he fell from the libertarian tree and missed so many branches.
Speaker 1:But over the years there has been critical times where Rand Paul has stood up and he stood true, and so those would be my two. If he could, if they could take that mantle and just call the government to account when it is overreaching. That would be healthy for all of us, Because there's there's distrust in institutions in America and I'm like there should be distrust in institutions.
Speaker 1:You should never trust these things in perpetuity in this way. Sometimes they do good and sometimes they do bad. But what I have seen in my limited time? I joined the military when I was 20 years old and I got out when I was 30. And then I went to other federal things in the state. What I have seen it is almost impossible to fire awful, incompetent people. And then the hardest part of that is people who think, because they are nice or because they mean well that they are correct, that that is the hardest person to get rid of somebody who's nice but just awful at their job and there has to be somebody in in in charge. It's just like you're out of here.
Speaker 2:You can fire federal employees. But it it is difficult, it is painful. If you don't do it right, they get money and they get their job back. So one of the things Trump was proud of. It's one of the things that we use in our intro oh yeah, it's what he did with the Veterans Administration.
Speaker 2:He streamlined the process for firing poor performance employees. For firing poor performance employees, he streamlined that process in the VA because there were so many people in the VA that were lackadaisical, that weren't doing their job. They were getting poor performance marks but still had a job because the system didn't allow them to fire them.
Speaker 1:I don't want to get too personal, but my best friend, who's a Navy veteran, who was a master at arms like us. I had to take her to the VA the other day. We sat there for four and a half hours and she's 100% disabled veteran and she used to work at the VA. People were coming up to her oh my goodness, how are you doing Four and a half hours? And she knew people and I remember I looked at her and I just said shit. I I said anytime I want to come back and get a job, I'll just come here and do fucking whatever he's doing right there poorly. And I said and I, I said I'm listening to this guy on the phone right now talking about somebody's private medical information and he has them on speakerphone where we can all hear it in the lobby. And I and I said I can do that. And she was laughing. I said I can come here, do everything wrong and get a good pay check. But I, but it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 1:It was eye-opening because I personally never go to the va. I I avoid all medicines and all doctors like the plague. If I'm in the hospital, something has gone horribly wrong and I'm forced to be there and then I'm in the emergency room and then the VA just pays for everything. But I don't willfully go, but to see how long it took. And she had like a real ribs are messed up. I can barely breathe. The emergency. I was like Jesus, you know, and they came out it's such and such, still here, such and such, still here and I started to joke. I said, oh, he died in the bathroom waiting, you know, and people were laughing and I was like I'm kind of half serious that I'm kind of pissed off, but everybody else is in a good mood so I don't want to.
Speaker 2:Well of pissed off, but everybody else is in a good mood, so I don't want to.
Speaker 1:well, they're all suffering the same pain. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to bring the mood down, but you know, by being like this is kind of ridiculous that it's taking this long. All right, so my, my next question is I saw that, uh, you, you are a comedian, even though I made you be serious today, and I also wanted to thank you, because a lot of people talked a lot of stuff when I was trying to get them to do the rants and all that stuff. Oh, just let me know what I'm going to, and you and one other friend of mine were the only ones that came through with the rants. I got so many messages about what people were going to do and when it came time to pull the trigger, yeah, that's something you just deal with.
Speaker 2:For example, how hard would it be for you to do a five question interview for me?
Speaker 1:Oh, I could do it.
Speaker 2:You could. You could, because all of the questions are questions you can easily answer. You just call up, you just call. You leave a message with us. It's who are you? Where are you calling? From how long you've been listening to the show, what's your favorite bit or segment that you've ever heard us do, and what have you got going on in 2024. That's all. Have you done it yet? No, no. So I know what it's like to be let down. I get it.
Speaker 1:You've been in the game a lot longer than me, but I took it personally.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't. It's just who people are. People will always smile to your face. I've started calling people a friend of mine named Sam, I call him Korean Sam people. A friend of mine named sam, I call him korean sam. And you, if you remember, and in the korean culture, they don't like saying no. They do not like to say no. If you ask them to do something, and even if they know they're not going to do it, they're going to say yes, it's just what they do. It doesn't make them bad. But they will lie to you all the time, and the closest that you'll get to a no is up, and the longer that sound goes, the more no it is.
Speaker 2:If they go, you ain't getting nothing from that so my friend sam says he's gonna come to see a comedy show that I uh paid tickets for him to come see and he didn't show up. And I just started calling him korean sam, because korean sam doesn't doesn't want to hurt my feelings, so he doesn't tell me no so that's what I tell my friend.
Speaker 1:When I get off the phone and I say I'm gonna call you back, I say, a black person, I'm going to call you back means talk to you in two weeks.
Speaker 1:I have no intention of calling you back. I've never done. It's a conversation for the day, but alright. So I was talking to you about some of the comedy that you had done and how you used to separate yourself from military comedy to your comedy persona and you've gotten back into comedy and you've actually got this new exciting venture that you're about to undertake. Could you tell us about that Kind of, if you want, how was it to be a comedian in the military that had to separate the two and now not having to do so and the new venture?
Speaker 2:So on active duty there was an expectation that I behaved a certain way and that the way that I behaved although could have moments of fun wasn't funny. I wasn't supposed to be the funny guy. I was supposed to be a guy who occasionally said funny things. So who I was as a senior enlisted guy versus the stand-up comedy me, where I could say things, I could cover a whole bunch of things, but what I never did, as Tony Knuckles is, I never talked about my military career. I did shows on military bases but I didn't talk about me being in the Navy. And when I was in the Navy I really didn't go out of my way to tell anybody that on the side I was doing stand-up comedy. I did everything I could to keep those two lives kind of separate. And then I retired and the people I've met along the way have been doing some great things with different organizations, and one of the organizations I always kind of wanted to be a part of is this organization called the Veterans of Comedy was still on active duty. They formed this, basically a comedy troop of veterans that are also veterans of comedy, and they go around the country and they tell jokes and they make people laugh and they do special functions that are specifically designed for veterans at american legions, at uh, vfws, you name it they'll. They'll do special shows for military specific organizations. Plus, they do shows for everybody, and there's a lot of people here who've had a lot of success doing shows for military specific organizations. Plus, they do shows for everybody, and there's a lot of people here who've had a lot of success doing shows for the veterans of comedy. It's a great organization, no laugh left behind being their motto. They're great people and I've always kind of wanted to be a part of it.
Speaker 2:Now, I've maintained my friendship with the founder of the organization for over 25 years and he's come here a couple of times. I've had him on my podcast a couple of times and, most recently, in our visits and our conversations together. He mentioned more than once we should have made you a member a long time ago and I asked him something completely off topic and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead, do that. We should have made you a member a long time ago. And I was like, okay, and I asked him something completely off topic and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead, do that. We should have made you a member a long time ago and I was like, okay, what's it gonna take? You need, you need my DD 214, you need references. What I got to do.
Speaker 2:I'm in a whole heart, I want to be a member. What I got to do. And the next thing, you know, I'm a member and and I wanted. All I want to do is contribute to the success of the organization. We believe in healing through laughter. That is not just something that's specific to the veterans of comedy, but veterans and comedians. We have humor that is appropriate in certain circumstances.
Speaker 2:I can tell you right now. I will gladly tell jokes inside of a fleet reserve, inside of veterans of foreign war, inside of an American Legion. I will tell jokes in those settings that I wouldn't tell anywhere else, because you know your audience and your audience gets it. There's a whole part of me that I've always wanted to tap into to share my experiences about dealing with sailors and then raising young men and women, or taking the children that the parents gave me and raising them to be productive members of society, young men and women. I enjoyed that responsibility. I think I did a real good job of it. I look at the sailors that I raised, from young people to senior enlisted, and they've gone on to do great things and I'm proud of those. So I'm proud to be a member of the Veterans of Comedy. I'm proud to share the word and to get that word out to anybody out there that's listening. I still have the Lunsby show, I still have the Warno, I still have the Sunday supplemental. I still got a lot of things going on and I haven't done a good job of stealing your listeners. So if you're looking for anything that I might have to offer, and basically just so they know what you're dealing with.
Speaker 2:We are an international morning show. My partner is in southern Spain. I am in central Pennsylvania. Once a week we get together we do our old morning show. It used to be the T-Bone and Chick-fil-A show, the advertisement that you hear at the beginning of this show. We've morphed that into the Lunsby show. I've just been too lazy to give Darrell an updated promo for the show. But you can find out about the Lunsby show and the Lunsby show means love you, no shit, bye. That's an old military thing. Love you, no shit, bye. It's an old military thing. If that offends you, you can just say love you now say bye. It could be either one. But if you search the hashtag L-U-N-S-B, you'll find our fan page. You'll find it anywhere, available anywhere. Fine, podcasts are sold. So as part of TVOC or the Veterans of Comedy, I'm going to be promoting Lunsby and as part of Lunsby, I'll promote the veterans of comedy. And it's all about, you know, the rising tide lifting all boats.
Speaker 2:Well Sailor, that's a reference that I really like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you really like that quote. I didn't actually like that president.
Speaker 2:But yeah, as a speaker, he was a great speaker. As a president, I just didn't disagree with him. Yeah, I disagreed with him, that's all yeah, yeah, I don't hate the man.
Speaker 1:I hated his policies I, I, I wasn't there, so I just got to read a lot of the books to bash him a lot tonight and so, who knows, I didn't want to fuck him, so I don't really care about how he looks or how he talks. So my friend Marilyn may have a different opinion. But let me ask you a question, because I saw that you were saying that you had taken an approach of because you wanted to do. You were taking this comedic approach very seriously. You had started to write your material. Is that something you've always done, is write the material, or do you normally freestyle?
Speaker 2:No, I have the ability, I have a sharp wit. I can say funny things at the drop of a dime, I can respond, I can do things like that, but when it comes to the comedy that I'm going to perform on stage, I'm very, very deliberate. I always start with putting pen to paper and writing the idea out in the long form multiple times. I write it and then I write it again, and then I write it again, and each revision write it, and then I write it again, and then I write it again, and each revision I'm finding a better word. There's, there's, you know, there's a way of saying something. Then there's a better way of saying something, and then there's a better, shorter way of saying something. And if you're going to write humor, humorous material, you want to find the perfect words to say, using the least amount of words to convey the message. And then you know when I write, I'm like pause, you know, say this, this and this. Pause, wait for it, say this. And that's how everybody's got their own.
Speaker 2:I spend a lot of time at the open mic here at the Harrisburg Comedy Zone in Harrisburg, pennsylvania, and I'll see these young kids that just think you could just get up there and just talk, like you're doing with your friends, and they come and eventually they go, because that's not the way you have to have material. Everybody's got a different process, but mine starts with putting pen to paper, writing it, editing it, reviewing it, and the more and more I do that, the better I get I'm going to. I have never shared this before outside of a small, a very small group of people. I'm going to share this with you and I hope your listeners enjoy it. I hope they can appreciate it. I, as with most comedians, I always wonder what the name of my special is going to be, and I finally came to the point where I realized what the name of my special is going to be. The name of my special is going to be yeah, comma, but not in a bad way. All right, that's not a bad start.
Speaker 2:I like it, yeah like that the source of that is. If you were to hook me up to a lie detector test and ask me if I ever said the N-word. And this lie detector test is fatal. If I lie, I die.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Hook me up to a lie detector test. If you ever said the N-word, I would say yes, because I want to live. And if you got down into the details, into the weeds, and said have you ever said the N-word a whole bunch of times? Yes, a thousand times, probably. Yes, but never in a bad way, okay, and I'd still be a lot.
Speaker 1:How does?
Speaker 2:that come to be Evo Tony TK. However, you know me. How does it come to be that you could say the N-word thousands of times and never in a bad way? Well, as a child I had a cat. The cat was black. My father had a wonderful sense of humor and named the cat for his color. There are no black children where I live in upstate New York at the time. There are no black people in upstate New York where I live at the time. It's just us and a little trailer park in the middle of nowhere, and that was my cat's name. So I loved my cat and I was always calling my cat here. You know he'd get lost every once in a while. He'd get lost every once in a while He'd get lost every once in a while.
Speaker 2:You know here, n-word here, n-word here, full name, full name, full name, full name here, full name, full name, full name. If you were doing something, darrell, you would have heard that line.
Speaker 1:That's fucking funny. I heard full name, full name, full name. This one was trying to get my attention Because when you started saying here, he was like oh, Every time I do that.
Speaker 2:I think it's so funny. Here full name, full name. Full name, full name, Because I can't say that word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to say it. You got to spell it out, man, full name, because I can't say that yeah, you gotta say, you gotta spell it out, man, that that is. That is a good sense of humor. I kept thinking man was his dad trying to set his kids up for an ass whooping that he's probably sent to the public school. Take the cat with you no, this is the 70s.
Speaker 2:My, my dad is, you know, old jarhead. He was just a different breed and he was a very funny man and and he did funny things. And naming a cat the N-word in a place where no one would be around to be offended by it was his way of being funny. It's what he did. He wasn't a racist.
Speaker 2:All right, did my dad have racist tendencies? Probably as most people in the 70s and 80s did, that were surrounded by whites all the time and started to integrate. Were surrounded by whites all the time and started to integrate? Yeah, sure, oh yeah, if my, if my dad was a racist.
Speaker 1:I gotta tell you it failed miserably.
Speaker 2:Look, look look here, because all of his grandchildren have permanent tans. All of his grandchildren have permanent you want to.
Speaker 1:You want to hear something that'll shock you. You're you're more liberal than I am when it comes to the accidental racist stuff. I I don't think you can be an accidental racist. Either you're mean about it or you're not. I don't believe in the internalized fake. All that stuff is bullshit to me. If you don't mean it in a hateful way, you don't mean it in a hateful way. If it's accidental, it's accidental.
Speaker 2:The twist of fate is, I grew up and later find myself as the only white kid in all black neighborhood and I was the white n-word. Okay, that's what. That's what they called me, yeah so you and that is a word I used a word group of friends and I was safe in doing so I, I, I did a.
Speaker 1:I did a thing, maybe two years ago, when they tried to railroad Joe Rogan and say, oh, he must be a racist. And I said it looks like those are black people. He was saying it around. It didn't seem like they were offended and I said the same thing. I said we all have our white friends, that we let say it. We're not offended. It doesn't mean, would my grandmother like it?
Speaker 2:No, but my grandmother wasn't there big baby's a comedian I used to work with a lot. He's still one of my best friends in the world and he used to give out a uh a certificate. He would uh he would baptize the audience and he would give out certificates and he had great jokes about, uh, turning white people black.
Speaker 1:It was yeah, I just don't. There's the libertarian stretch of me. I do not believe in selective language. I believe, once, once, a word's there, it's there.
Speaker 2:That joke comes from two different angles and that's the angle I'm happiest with. I tell you. I tell you something honestly about that joke the first time I tested it, I tested it with a comedian friend of mine and I used I thought it was okay and I was going to try it using the full word and afterwards I felt dirty doing it. I was like it just doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2:You know n word n word full name, full name, full name. It's one version I did. Another version I did was naked. I figured I could get away with calling him nick, because that's what we did call him most of the time, but I found n word to be funnier than nigg. Uh, the full name was much funnier than the actual word because that did not go out. I felt bad after doing it, yeah, and you and you get the precursor to that joke.
Speaker 2:Being told that way involved the fact that I hate consonant words because you can't say the f word, you can't say the n word, you can't say uh, yeah, it was word the c word, there's two of them. I would do this whole thing and then I had a sentence that I would do with nothing but the consonant words and that ended up going into the lie detector test gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I got another buddy who he's on a path right now because he used to be like a very, very, very liberal, like vegan, that moved over to like conservative and now he's like a moderate and this whole time he was a comedian. So like having to watch him have to kind of lose an audience, gain an audience, see what's still the lines, not the lines. And so I kind of watch, because every time he puts out a CD I'll order it to just steal support and just to see, like, and there's a lot of jokes that he cut out. He just said, you know, he said I still think it's funny, but I just didn't feel it anymore.
Speaker 2:That's just not me you've got to own it if you're going to use it.
Speaker 1:I went to a comedy show one time and I didn't notice it until the end. The comedian you know one of the choir things that they use and they push it to the side and the comedian had that for his jokes but he was pulling the page like he had sheet music. Is that common?
Speaker 2:I mean if you're using notes. So, by the way, you see that a lot in open mic nights that comedian A little bit more ornamental, like if he's got an actual stand up there and it looks like he's doing sheet music.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think there's a way that could be funny, but a lot of open micers are just actually looking at notebooks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is a comedian that's been doing it, but a lot of open micers are just actually looking at notebooks. Yeah, so this and this is a comedian that's been doing it for a long time. This was in Maryland. I actually it was Bill Marr, that's who I went to see and he was actually pretty funny. And I didn't notice the stand until later on in the routine that he would walk back and turn the pages and I was like he's got a damn choir thing up there to read the notes.
Speaker 1:And then somebody was interviewing. Somebody was interviewing him and he was saying you know, I've been doing it for years and the crowd, you know, nobody notices it, nobody really complains. And I thought well, it was black and the way the stage was lit, I didn't notice it until I noticed it and I was like oh, he doesn't actually remember the jokes. But then I live 13 minutes from the funny bone here. So I've been going and had yet to enjoy a lot of comedy, and the last guy I went to see was Bruce Bruce, and I talk about like almost pissing my pants.
Speaker 2:He shrunk right, he got skinny.
Speaker 1:No, he's still big Okay okay. That's Lavelle Crawford that lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2:Did Lavelle lose a lot of weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Bruce.
Speaker 2:Bruce, I didn't know that Bruce.
Speaker 1:Bruce is still big, but he's short. I didn't know he was that short, but he but he's short. I didn't know he was that short, but he was funny. As he was really funny to me, and when I was surprised because I had front row tickets, I thought I was going to get picked on, but I must have been dressed appropriately, so he didn't pick on me. So I wanted to ask you, when it comes to comedy, growing up, who was like the person that made you want to get into comedy?
Speaker 2:So what you prepped me with was you were going to ask me no, that's next.
Speaker 1:You can name it twice. You can name it twice if you like. Let me answer it this way what you prepped?
Speaker 2:me with was who was my comedy, mount Rushmore? And I thought, man, man, that's an excellent question. And I just end of paper. I was like who are my mount rushmore? Immediately I had to remember how many heads were on mount rushmore. There's only four, right. So, uh, so boom. In the order that I knew of them was it was richard fryer, it was bill cosby, it was eddie murphy, it was Richard Fryer, it was Bill Cosby, it was Eddie Murphy, it was Dave Chappelle. Within seconds of you throwing that question out to me, I just went through my brain these are the comics who stood out the most to me. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Murphy, cosby, fryer, chappelle. I got it and then I started thinking about how that would look on Mount Rushmore, like who would have the prominent face right and who would be there and where would Richard's mustache be.
Speaker 2:And while I'm picturing this comedy, mount Rushmore in my brain, I realized two things. One, they are all men. Two, they are all black men. I can't you love who you love, and these were the comedians that I had heard early on in my life. That stuck with me. So I all right. Okay, to be fair, if there's another Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore 2.0, and I could only put white faces on it, who would it be? That list was harder for me to come up with. I had to think I had to really churn it through. So I came up with Rodney Dangerfield. I thought Rodney was a great comic. He opened that club down in the village. He opened Dangerfields down in the village. He did a lot for other comics. Definitely George Carlin Very prolific, 17, 18 different specials. Andrew Dice Clay Sold out Madison, first comedian ever to sell out Madison Square Garden, multiple shows. I got him and I've got others that are on the list that I just like. As fantastic as that person is, as wonderful as they are. My fourth is freaking Jeff Foxworthy.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, and so now, all right, I still only got four heads. There's only one Mount Rushmore only got four heads. There's only one Mount Rushmore. Can I get a reasonable representation amalgamation of these two lists? I could probably pull off Cosby. I could probably take Cosby off and replace him with Dangerfield. Do I take Richard Pryyor off? Richard pryor was the first comedian I ever listened to and uh, 1978, live from the sunset strip. Yeah, I, I am a young child. I should not be listening to what I was listening to and I loved every second of it. And any Richard Pryor. I could never take Richard Pryor off my Mount Rushmore, so I could Rob Cosby now. Murphy and Chappelle is there anybody on my white list that bumps Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 2:in his blue leather, or Eddie Murphy in his red leather is there anybody? That bumps. Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy raw. And I say no, my Mount Rushmore is Pryor Rodney Dangerfield. Eddie Murphy, dave Chappelle.
Speaker 1:See, now it's kind of funny because I think, because I'm so topical and I like comedians who make me laugh but then make me think about social issues. George Carlin was like the first one that made me like think about it was very funny. And then but he would say something and I think about that is a decent point. You know whatever you're going to put more stuff, more stuff you know but but but.
Speaker 1:But it was, but it was the stuff thing, because that was just like a uh. But then when he got to like the religious stuff and you know he says like little witty stuff, like being in being, thinking you're in a christian just because you go to church is like thinking you're a car because you're in a garage, you know, and he's like oh, and he was releasing hour-long comedy specials on the regular long before anybody else was doing that and then so he gets a lot of props for what he did for comedy and then the then the other person that I remember that made me think about stuff and then threw a laugh in was Chris Rock.
Speaker 1:You know, chris Rock, would he? They would say, oh, he cussed so much. And I say, yeah, but he really said that thing and it made me think, beyond the laugh, that he really had had a really good, you know a really good point.
Speaker 2:Chris Rock. I love him. I don't like the way he just runs back and forth on the stage. That has always driven me nuts. Bernie Mac was someone that I filtered through on my list. Someone you may not remember, Robin Harris, filtered through my list. Rudy Ray Moore filtered through in my brain as I'm thinking of these people Because, you know, as a white person, I'm thinking of these people because, as a white person, I'm not supposed to know who Rudy Ray Moore is. And this is before Eddie Murphy, I think it was. Did a Rudy Ray Moore movie right A Dolomite?
Speaker 1:movie.
Speaker 2:The Sanctified Lion. I think is the Sanctified Monkey and the something lion. I don't know that and they gave me. I knew Rudy Ray Moore from a long time ago, on the white side, you know. Sam Kenison popped through my brain, christopher Titus popped through my brain and I even opened for Christopher. There's a lot Bill Engvall went through my brain and I thought about a lot of Bill Engvall.
Speaker 1:When do I break and I thought I thought about a lot of people, cause when I asked you the question, I thought about even Norm Macdonald, I thought about Bill Hicks, I thought about you know, and I was like man. This is actually pretty difficult because I'm somebody I watch a comedy special almost every day, especially now that Netflix has been churning them out, and then so I'll just be like man these people were so fucking funny.
Speaker 2:Brought the history of comedy. Yeah, and that's what made it. That was hard.
Speaker 1:That's why, when I heard it asked, I was like that's a good question, because even in my own brain I'm just like man. I like Chappelle Carlin Rock. And then when I got to the fourth, I was like man, I only get one more choice and that's what made it the most difficult Just just the one more choice.
Speaker 2:You said. Eddie Murphy recently answered this question in an interview.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Eddie Murphy sitting down with Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 2:So Eddie's not going to put himself on Mount Rushmore, even though he should be on there. He's probably going to put Seinfeld on there.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. So what it was was Eddie Murphy poised a question to Jerry Seinfeld and when Jerry Seinfeld named the comedians, he put Bernie Mac on there, nice, and Eddie Murphy. He put Bernie Mac on there, nice, and Jerry Seinfeld and Bernie, and he remember he said Bernie Mac, and he said I mean Bernie Mac's funny, but he's just like on Mount Rushmore. And then he started to name all the other comedians that he thought that Seinfeld should have put on Mount Rushmore and I was just like, well, it's easy because you didn't have to answer the question, so you get it, you know.
Speaker 2:Who were the other ones that Seinfeld put on that Rushmore?
Speaker 1:I don't even damn remember. I just remember Eddie Murphy's face when he you know, because he was being comical and he just said so you know the Bernie Mac show was a great family value show was a great show.
Speaker 2:Bernie had a very family-friendly act but man Bernie was also deaf. Comedy Bernie, tell a motherfucker in a minute.
Speaker 1:I ain't scared of your mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, and that's when I got to see the old deaf comedy jam things and then when I was growing up, def Comedy Jam was getting ready to go off, so then it was Comic View with BET Right, so that's when you got the people that I remember. Earthquake was funny to me because I would see them up there. Dl Hughley was always funny. There was a lady named Miss Laura, she was funny. Monique would be up there every. There was a lady named Miss Laura, she was funny. Monique would be up there every now and then Monique Simone, yeah, yeah, and so I would get you know filtered through them. But I always remember Bruce, bruce, dl Hughley and Chris Rock and then Dave Chappelle. I just remember from the Nutty Professor, was it BJ Smoove? And you know who else is really funny. Still funny, he did something a few years ago Don DC Curry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:Hey, Mark Curry was funny as hell until Steve Harvey stole his act. Yeah, yeah, I do not mean to talk ill of Steve Harvey. I met Steve many, many years ago at the Comedy Zone there in Jacksonville and he was a very generous, very caring, very nice guy.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, there was a Comedy Zone there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, in the Ramada Inn right there just off of 295. Him, and what was Tommy's last name? Tiny little Tommy, tommy Davidson.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:One of my favorite. You know, there's a lot of comics that I've had the ability to work with along the way and meet over the years, and tommy's definitely one of the better ones. Uh, bruce bomb is, uh, my personal hero just because I I got to meet bruce many years later. I've got to work with bruce many times. We're still friends on the facebooks and, and I just remember being a a young kid and watching him on television on a tv show called Make Me Laugh, where they just did stupid stuff to make contestants laugh. It was a great show and I love the fact that I've been able to call him a friend for fucking 20 years, you know.
Speaker 1:All right. So my last little question in this comedy area, they just started an open mic over here, literally one block away from where I stay, so every Wednesday they let people just try to come up there and be funny. If you had any advice for any new person starting off in comedy, what would it be?
Speaker 2:Is it a comedy-specific open mic, yeah. Or is it stupid poets with their little?
Speaker 1:No, it's just. It literally, just literally says on the side comedy open mic.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, if you aspire to be an open mic comedian, if you aspire to be a comedian, you have to start by being an open mic comedian. That means you have to push the fear down, you have to stand up in front of a room full of strangers and you have to say things that you think are humorous. But what you must do first is put pen to paper, Whether it's typing on a keyboard or putting a pen on a piece of actual parchment, you have to write your idea down and the idea needs to have a joke. If you go to an open mic they're going to give you usually three minutes, maybe four minutes, possibly five minutes. These are open mics. They're just trying to get people through. You're usually not going to get more than five minutes on an open mic. So you've got to go up there and in three minutes you should be able to tell three jokes At a minimum. You should be able to tell three jokes or stories or funny things so that in three minutes time you get at least three laughs. You should get at least three laughs in three minutes. But you can't do it by as easy as people make it. Look, you can't just walk up there and talk off the top of your head, because it's going to crumble, it's going to fall, and I've seen everybody who thinks they're just the funniest person on the planet Go to an open mic and just try to be the funniest person on the planet and they're not. Because there's. There's rules to the game, and rule number one is you got to get your thoughts together and you do that by structuring them, by writing them down. Then you got to take them to surgery, you got to take them to the butcher, you got to trim the fat off of them. So you find something that's entertaining.
Speaker 2:You find the right words that make people laugh, as I mentioned in the story earlier. You know, N-word versus Nick N-word was funnier than Nick, even though Nick would be a little bit more edgy. N-word was funnier. You find the funnier word to use and word was funnier. You find the funnier word to use and then you make it as short as possible and you tell as many jokes as you can. Or if you're a storyteller I consider myself a storyteller I make sure that there's something to laugh about. In multiple parts of my story you don't build up to a big laugh at the end. And finally, just don't be afraid. The worst thing that can happen to you is you're going to go up there and eat shit for three minutes, but sometimes you need to eat shit to find out what shit tastes like. That's the most sage advice I could give anybody who's considering doing stand-up. Are you considering doing stand-up? Does?
Speaker 1:whiskey help?
Speaker 2:No, generally it doesn't help stand up. Does whiskey help? Uh, no, generally it doesn't help. Ah, maybe that first time to just get over those jitters. But you're not afraid of talking to people, so you don't need that. It just clouds your brain a little bit. If you're, if you personally are considering doing it, I'll work with you see you know what's funny I?
Speaker 1:I thought about it just for fun and then I, when I thought about it and was obsessing, I said I'm just situationally funny. If something's happening I can make it extremely funny, but I don't know if I am like pen to paper funny, because I tend to be very preachy.
Speaker 2:And that's where tripping the fat comes in. You know, you want to.
Speaker 1:you want to get to a funny point, you want to find the right words, and then you want to make it as sure as possible and I and I just say I observe things, I'm always looking and I find humans funny, but then, but then I also tell people like, like, when you think I am in public, in my head I have a very dark sense of humor and so I'm like the friends would come to my comedy show and just be shocked by the things that I find you don't know until you try.
Speaker 2:It may be your calling. It could be your thing. Podcasting is doing good for you. You don't know, until you do it, until you get up there, until you learn how to make a room full of strangers laugh and remember when you're doing it in front of a room full of strangers you're kind of writing material from 8 to 80 lame, crippler crazy. You're trying to grab everybody into that You're not trying to black comedy jam.
Speaker 2:You're not trying to redneck blue collar tour. You're trying to reach everybody. If you can make a room full of strangers, laugh at the same material. A vast room, a vast variety of strangers. You got potential, but you got to try it.
Speaker 1:One day when I'm sitting around whiskey not included, because that's my vice, we all have ours I'm going to write some jokes, I'm going to say them to you and if I can make you laugh then I'll go up there one Wednesday and see if I can make you laugh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do that. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:So anything else you want to say before we close? We didn't get into my big Alex Jones questions I had for you.
Speaker 2:I feel the band is being railroaded. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right guys. So you have been listening to T-Bone from the Lunsby show, who is the exact same person from the intro. When you hear the show that show T-Bone from the Lunsby show, who is the exact same person from the intro. When you hear the show that a show T-Bone and chick brew it's the same guy.
Speaker 2:Same guy, you can different show different show name same show different show name.
Speaker 1:And you can check him out, Like he says, wherever fine podcasts are sold you just search the hashtag L U N S B.
Speaker 2:That's Lunsby Love you.