From Flaws to Flair: Harnessing the Power of Imperfection

This Conversations on the Rocks episode focuses on guest Paul Gosselin and his lifelong passion for soap operas. Paul reminisces about bonding with his mother and grandmother over their favorite soap, Guiding Light. This childhood enthusiasm led Paul to study acting for daytime dramas, hoping to land a role on a soap. While that dream didn't come to fruition, his love for the genre inspired him to write and produce his own web series, Misguided. Paul gets candid about his challenges in developing the series, from navigating the pandemic shutdown to grieving the loss of someone close to him. But through it all, his dedication to honoring soap operas shines through.

Paul's life is not just about his creative pursuits. He also plays a significant role as a caregiver, a 'manny' to two young boys. His experience with one child's diabetes diagnosis and his commitment to their wellbeing are testaments to his compassion. Paul's approach to caregiving is marked by flexibility and understanding, as he shares fond memories of special outings. His priority is to bring joy to the lives of those in his care, a value that shines through his actions.

Paul's story offers a window into his multifaceted world as an artist and caregiver. He thoughtfully reflects on navigating challenges with creativity, family, and compassion—lessons that continue to guide his journey.

About Paul:

Born and raised in small-town Vermont, Paul Gosselin always harbored a passion for acting. After high school, he pursued his dream in New York City, studying at the New York Conservatory for Dramatic Arts and apprenticing at the Barrow Group Theater. His first television role on "One Life to Live" fulfilled a lifelong dream, leading to appearances on various TV shows like “Damages,” “Saturday Night Live,” and "The Good Wife." Moving to Los Angeles, he delved into theater and storytelling, performing with Mortified across the country. Now based in LA, Paul is focused on building his production company, Cosmopaulitan Entertainment, which debuted its first series, "MISGUIDED," in 2015.

Connect with Paul:  instagram.com/cosmopaulitan || www.paulgosselin.net || http://YouTube.com/cosmopaulitan || 

http://www.misguidedseries.com || TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mrpaulgosselin

Transcript

Kristen Daukas: 0:00

Kristen daukas, welcome to Conversations on the rocks, the podcast where the drink is strong and the stories are stronger. I'm your host, Kristen daukas, and this isn't your average chat fest. Here, real people spill the tea alongside their favorite drinks, from the hilarious to the heart wrenching, each episode a wild card. You'll laugh, you may cry, but you'll definitely learn something new. So grab whatever, what's your whistle and buckle up. It's time to dive into the raw, the real and the ridiculously human. Let's get this chat party started. Hey, friends, it's Kristen daukasin in on conversations on conversations on the rocks the show that is as random as I am, as well as the questions that I tend to ask my guest I am here with. I just gonna call you my old friend, but he's not old old. He's just like we've been friends for a while. Paul Crosland, and the fun thing about this is that Paul and I met over Twitter, formerly known as Twitter now x, which I'm not on anymore because I took my blue check away. And not only was it just Twitter, but it was over a shared love of Guiding Light. So I am a total latchkey kid. I'm a few years older, a lot of years older than Paul. And you know, I was a total Gen X or latchkey kid, and I think at seven, I've started staying home by myself. And who would do that now? And I would come home from school, and that was my ritual. I would get home and I would watch Guiding Light, and that was just and I watched it pretty much, you know, once I started having kids, it wasn't as easy to watch it, right? So I watched it as much as I steadfast until I started having a family. And then the saddest day, not the saddest day of my life, but one of the saddest TV days of my life, was the day that the light went out. Same, absolutely the same. So Paul, tell us a little bit about yourself, and I definitely want you to touch on misguided because we just it's a great segue talking about guiding light into what you do, which will be great segue into our conversation today.

Unknown: 2:16

So thank you for having me back again. I very much enjoyed being here the first time around three

Kristen Daukas: 2:22

feet. This is the three peat. Remember the time you called in when I was on the radio station?

Unknown: 2:26

Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Kristen Daukas: 2:29

That was shortly after we we connected online, and I was hosting a radio station, and you called in and we

Unknown: 2:35

did that. Ah, okay, so three peat, Oh, yes. So I also grew up. I loved Guiding Light. I was introduced to it by my mom and my grandma, and I would go over to my Nana's house, and we would watch Guiding Light after school, and it was just captivating. I think is the word, and I don't know if that was just me trying to find something bigger than myself to be a part of, because I just wanted that in my life, and guiding light, sort of like took hold of me, and at the same time, wanted to be an actor, wanted to have a career as an actor. And thought, what is the best possible acting job I could get is a soap opera, because it's like almost a nine to five and you work almost all year round. And I thought this is something. I think my parents can get around like they can wrap their heads around this kid's got one have a nine to five job. He wants to have stability as an actor. So we have them go after a soap opera. And so that's what I did. Found myself in New York City wanting to be on guiding light, and went to the school for film and television that it was known at the time. It's now called the New York conservatory for Dramatic Arts. And they had an acting for daytime dramas class, and that was the only reason I went to this school I studied with.

Kristen Daukas: 4:12

I can imagine what the sessions were like in that like, were they like, you? Like, I mean, just think how dramatic soaps are, yeah. So, like, it's like, here's how you kiss, here's how you do this, yeah.

Unknown: 4:25

So there were things that were taught. So I was taught. I took this class in different forms. Once was with a former casting director from Guiding Light, Jimmy Bohr, and then I took it with an actress who was on as well turns Margaret, Reid Maggie Reed, who is best known for having her she's the only person in daytime to have her head shrunken. Shannon Shannon O'Hara, I think it was her character name on asphalt turds. So I took classes from her. And there's so many different like. Are ways that soap operas are shot, that regular, regular TV shows are shot. I don't know that's right way to say that, but there's like three cameras, usually, and different ways you're positioned, and they always taught you to kiss with your leading ladies head facing towards the camera, because that's who they want you to see. And I mean, granted, the it's a whole, there's a whole dynamic Science, Science, that's it. Oh my gosh, crazy. So anyway, so that's me in a nutshell. So wanted to be a sofa actor, went to guy, went to school for it, and then ended up booking my first daytime role on one like to live. And I thought, dreams are happening. This is happening. We are moving and shaking in New York City. Fast forward to 2009 guiding light gets canceled. And I didn't see a reason to stay in New York anymore, so I moved to Los Angeles, and I moved to Los Angeles without any sort of plan, didn't have a place to live, bought a car in New York and just drove West. And 12 years later, I'm still here. So I created this web series based on my love of Guiding Light and wanting to be a soap star, and it's called misguided, or hashtag, reigniting the light. And I asked friends that have worked in soaps to be on the show that they've worked on young, the restless All My Children Guiding Light, and then ended up progressing into three seasons, worth hiring more people that I had never met, but I've always wanted to work with who were on General Hospital and older actors from Guiding Light, and it's just been a really fun, creative journey that I've been on through this whole love of guiding lanes that just sort of paved the way for me,

Kristen Daukas: 7:10

and it's fabulous. I have to make sure that I put the link to your YouTube channel in the notes when we were talking. It's really brave, I think, to take on a project like that. It's one thing to have a hobby, and it's another thing to take something that you're really passionate about and try and turn it into something that not just feeds your soul, but feeds your stomach and pays your bills. Right? Did you ever so? Did you ever have to stop this process, this passion project?

Unknown: 7:48

Yes, so i The series was created shortly after I did a storytelling show called mortified. Basically, mortify it, similar to the moth. It's like a storytelling show where one person gets up on stage and reads things that they created as an angsty youth, whether it's a Dear Diary, love letters or, in my case, letters to the executive producer and head writers of guiding lights on how to make the show better. And it's sort of initiated and re sparked the Guiding Light love that I had. So I created this show because someone said, create something from that. And so season one comes about. I write five episodes that just I thought were a standalone. Here we go. Easy peasy. No big deal. I had friends that had worked on soaps be in it to add it little bit of clout, and then I just sort of left it. And I was like, okay, cool. Now I'm going to be a successful actor, and we're the sky's the limit. That's it done. And I was like, I can't I have to do more. And so you, you sit with it for a minute. And I was like, Well, how did I just do these five? Like, now I have to do five more, essentially. And how do I do that? So I sit with it, and I pause, and I was like, well, now let me fundraise. Let me build some sort of community that can support this. And so I did that. And then I thought after those five I was like, maybe I could do five more, and I ended up doing six more. So those pauses happened because I just was like, Okay, I think maybe I need to do more. But then something big happened with the pandemic, and it just stopped all of that momentum. And the last thing we talked was, yeah, go ahead.

Kristen Daukas: 9:48

I was gonna say it's so interesting, because I when I made the decision to finally get off my and get the show back on, I reflected on that it was during the pandemic. That I stopped, you would think that would have been the perfect time for us as creatives to man, just be churning that stuff out. We didn't. Why do you think that was, do you think it was just we needed to survive that that like it was just too much?

Unknown: 10:18

I think, I think, I think yes, yes, and no, I really listened to our to our podcast from the first time, from the, I guess, the second time. And we talked about how people were no longer commuting. So there the podcast numbers were down, because when most people are listening to a podcast, they're commuting, which makes sense. But then we added these, this visual thing, like we weren't doing video. We did video for the podcast, but we didn't do video, essentially, right? But now you're doing video, and that's a whole other aspect that wasn't really happening. So everything's sort of morphing and growing, which is amazing, and I think for me, doing a series was challenging during the pandemic, one because we weren't physically in touch with everybody, like, we weren't in person at the time, so we were trying to, like, I was trying to figure out, How does one make creative stuff during the pandemic like so let me write a season. Let me write the next episode so that when we come out of all of this, we're ready to go. And I did, and I wrote what I thought were five. I don't think I had six. I think I had five episodes ready to go, and they weren't, I don't think they were. I wanted to end the series, essentially, is what I wanted to do. And I don't think it told the ending that a way I wanted to attend. So I was sort of like but it was good enough, and I was ready to go once the world reopened and then the actor strike happened, and I didn't know what that meant for creatives, and I didn't know what that meant, especially for me. I still have a SAG after contract with the process of doing this web series, but I didn't know if I could, and I didn't know if anyone would want to work with it. So let me just pause and see what happens, because we were still also using covid protocol, and you needed to have testing and all of this. And I thought, my little show, it just does not have the budget for all of this, right? Let me pause, and as I pause, I still sort of, you know, tinker with these episodes and figure out what can happen, and still, still taking all this time to, like, really, sort of figure out what's going on, and then just it was almost a year, I guess, a little more than a year ago, like last week, the woman that played my mom passed away, Jacqueline Zeman, who was on General Hospital For 40 plus years, and played my mom like better than my own mother. So she was a phenomenal person in my life, and having been a season that included her, I then had to figure out what this new version would look like, right? And I think that that's the part where I needed to give myself the most grace and most pause to like figure out what's, what's the show going to look like now. And so I still figuring out I think I'm good. I actually joined a writer's group to keep myself accountable, to like, who's gonna say accountability? Yes, it's so oh my god. It's so helpful. I'm so thankful for this group, and we've only recently been doing it. So it's like, Oh, that's amazing, but I feel really good about the pause that I took instead of trying to rush into figuring out what this looks like, how do I how do I do all of this without just making it messy? Now, because given all of these outside circumstances that have happened because misguided was here before Jackie's Eman joined, and it will be here, you know, now that she's gone, but it will still be A part of everything.

Kristen Daukas: 14:36

And I think it takes maturity, and we were talking about this a little bit in the beginning, to learn how I know the answer. But again, it's a maturity thing. Why do you think it's so important for us as human beings, not just creatives, but as human beings, to give ourselves. Race, and before you answer, I'm gonna, like, kind of preempt that by saying the like we were saying, how much has changed in the past four years, right? Yeah, and we move at such lightning speed and the instantaneous gratification, it's not even instant gratification. It's instantaneous, like right now, and I think people struggle with if they don't get something done, soup to nuts, A to Z in some arbitrary piece of time, their failures. What is your advice and how would you encourage them? How would you teach someone teach, quote, unquote, how to give themselves grace, how to speak to themselves kindly.

Unknown: 15:53

Wow, I love that question only because I haven't actually ever thought about telling someone else how to do this. I think, I think taking a breath is so important. And actually the first step in like, giving yourself grace is like, because our lives were so like, like you said, we just want everything so fast, so everything is moving at lightning speed. So if you take one second to just breathe, it sort of stops everything else, like it just forces you to pause. And as soon as you take that first pause, the next ones are easy. I I don't want to say they should be they should become easier. I think is, is how you should

Kristen Daukas: 16:50

Well, I think if you, if you allow yourself that pause, or, as we say in the theater world, the pregnant pause, and everything doesn't fall apart. I think people need to I think you need to see firsthand that if you just stop and pause and pump the brakes, whatever phrase you want to use, give yourself some and everything doesn't fall apart. And all that stuff that you were so worried about is still there tomorrow, I think you're right. Then it becomes a little bit easier. So the next time you go, I've seen this movie, and I know how it ends exactly.

Unknown: 17:26

I think that once you once you allow yourself to to almost relax into the pause, it becomes easy, like it just is like, okay, and it almost gives yourself the sense that you're clear headed, and that you can figure out, like, what might be the next step that you should be doing? Okay, I'm gonna take this pause, and I can see now, like this step is next, and then this, this will lead to this. And it's it makes things a little bit more manageable. And I, and I know that, I know that that's what I did. Like, I I mean death and is a whole other issue, but like, giving yourself that pause to grieve and like, have the moments of like, I'm not gonna write today because I'm feeling this, but I know that I will write, and I know that it will happen. It's not happening now and it won't happen at this moment.

Kristen Daukas: 18:27

Here's the thing, sometimes we need to just step away from something that we're in, and you step away, it's like, Why do you think some of your best ideas come when you're in the shower or while you're driving, because you're not distracted by all the things going on, the only thing that you could really focus on is, am I lathered up enough? And is that a hole coming into my lane? Right? So those are when most of us have our most brilliant, like Aha Aha moments. Is when we're in the shower, because you're not, you're completely there's none of the stuff around you. So taking that pause, getting away from what you're so bent on doing that, and then you can come back and you're refreshed.

Unknown: 19:15

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Kristen Daukas: 19:45

This, I think, is a good opportunity for us to segue into your other world. And so Paul is a true this is us, Manny. He's the Manny. So. There was a big change in your family that you are a man so, so another time that you had to take a big call,

Unknown: 20:10

yeah, I I've been a manny. I 2016 I think I started. I have two little boys, Oliver and Jasper. Oliver is eight, so he was five months old when I started watching him, five months of, like, Baby bliss, like, how did the smell? I got so lucky. Everything about it, oh, just thinking about, like, changing diapers. I'm like, Whoa. I was doing that, but I did, and I like, love it. I love I was living my dream of domestic bliss, watching soap operas and feeding a baby a bottle and, like, folding laundry. That's literally all I wanted in my life. And I was living it. I Yes. So doing that for for day in and day out, multiple days a week,

Kristen Daukas: 21:08

I'm gonna call you Paul cleaver instead of June. Yes, please,

Unknown: 21:11

please. I A nanny, a Manny, a nanny, whatever you want to call it. I have grown emotionally attached to these children. It's, it's different than any other job. I think, like you, like a regular job, you could, sort of, if you don't like it, you could just walk away and like, not, this has such a like, emotional hold on my heart that, like, I've become a part of this family. And so through, two years ago, I left on a fry. I think it was working Tuesday the Friday at this point, and I left on Friday, and when about my weekend, Sunday night, I get a phone call from the mom that I work for, and she was like, Can I call you? Can we talk about Oliver? Of course, call me. She calls. She's like, we're in the hospital. Oliver's been drinking a lot of water. He's been peeing a lot. He has diabetes, and it's like, I'm sorry, what out of the blue? Out of the blue. And so I went into work the next day, was watching the younger boy, Jasper, and Oliver was in the hospital for the day. He came home later that night, and from that moment, life just sort of changed for all of us, especially Oliver. But like for all of it, like we all sort of had this moment of like something is very different now, like our lives are all no longer what they were last Friday when I left. That's a major diagnosis.

Kristen Daukas: 22:44

One of my best friends, you know, one of my oldest and longest friends, was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was a freshman in college. And same thing, same signs, drinking a lot and peeing a lot, and you don't think anything about it, because if you're peeing a lot because you're drinking a lot. It

Unknown: 23:01

just you don't, yep, there's nothing about it. Yeah, it's such an and I it's one of those things, like, I kick myself because it's like, I should there were, there were signs leaning up to it, and, like, you could have sort of been piecing together. We didn't have, like, a huge like, he didn't, he wasn't in ketosis when it first happened, like, when we first were diagnosed. So, like, that was good. He wasn't. He was his blood sugar was high. It just wasn't, like, super high, but it was. It was obviously a huge change. And I am so thankful that the family sent me to Children's Hospital to, like, get fully, like, educated on how to treat and manage and have Oliver with the best possible help and care that I could give him. Well, of

Kristen Daukas: 23:52

course, because you're with him, you know all the time, you need to know that. One

Unknown: 23:59

of the first questions that so they, when you're at Children's Hospital, and they set you up with this education class for in the endo department, they give you a binder about how to treat and manage and all of this. And the very first question is, how, how are you feeling like, what are your feelings on this? And I was so happy to be in this situation alone with the nurse, because it was just a saw like I just sobbed, like I cried so much, and I told her exactly why I was crying, and I knew what it was, because so I told the nurse that was helping me, I said, this is a grief like I feel not that he's my child and that I had this whole life expected for him, but

Kristen Daukas: 24:53

he is kind of your child, yeah, but you have this, these ideas of what his life will be. Be and now they're not that. And I told her, I kind of equate it to like my parents and like any, any parent of someone that's gay, when they come out to them, you're gay, it's, it's, I know, I know, Shawn, this is my coming out, honored. Oh, sorry, no, no, there goes Kristen again. Somebody. Let her filter off. I'm

Unknown: 25:35

sorry, but I think that, yes, I felt like it was the same, similar situation, like, I know what this what, what these tiers are like, I get it, let me have them. And then we and then we moved on. And then, like, it was great to have that moment to just, like, let it go, take that moment to give yourself grace. Like, here's, here's the emotional like component of this, and now we can move on. And now, how many carbs do I do? What do I What says correction factor? Like all of these things that I had no idea was it was in store for me going down the road, wait, wait,

Kristen Daukas: 26:09

wait, wait, you just said something so significant, I don't even think you realize that you said it. You just and it just when you let your when you let yourself have that pause, when you give yourself the grace to have that pause, then you can move on with your life, or you can move on to the next thing that you're supposed to do. And if you don't give yourself that you're holding yourself back, and you might be holding somebody else back, that might be, you know, involved in your life. And so by giving yourself the opportunity to have that grace, to have that mourning, because that's what it is, you're mourning something that is no longer the same, then you can rebuild. You can rise like the Phoenix, yes, yes, and be better.

Unknown: 27:02

I was about, I was literally about to say, yes, you can, like, create something even better, because now you've taken all that stuff that you've had before, mushed it up into the whatever this is, and then created something even, even better. And I kind of it's like when the kids made something with art, and they're like, oh my god, I messed up on this little piece. I said, Well, how can you make that mistake into something even better, into whatever you're working on, in that, in whatever picture you were drawing, or whatever I was like, how can you use this mistake, or this, this thing that, like your pencil slipped, or something like, how can you use that? Because I think that that's a tool that you know we're not taught as much. Like, Oh, you made a mistake. Crumple it up and throw it away. Like, let me start again. Use the mistakes. Use the mistakes and learn from them and use them, because then I think that that's where you're able to, like, help yourself with the grace that you can have and like, give yourself a full bucket.

Kristen Daukas: 28:06

It's like the old saying that, and I've got it somewhere in the house, but it's the the cracks are, how this, how the light gets in exactly, and that implies in so many, not just our hearts, but our souls. And in everything that we do, people don't they think the cracks are bad, but that's how the beauty gets in. That's how the light gets in and makes it into something that metamorphoses into something that is far greater than you know, mistakes are just opportunities, right? Yes. And so completely random, but something you said that reminded me you, you and Oliver actually just went to a like a gala, didn't you? And it may, it may not, have been just, but I know, yeah, in the time warp. Tell me about that. He looks so dapper. He

Unknown: 29:04

is. He's my little man, like we so I love that his family, like trusts me and loves me enough to like do things with him that we went to it was we've done a lot like I shortly after his diagnosis, we had planned a trip to San Diego, and part of that trip, I have a friend that works for tandem, and we got, he got a private tour of how, like, an insulin pump got made that day. So, like, he I try to, like, wow, I know, like, it was really cool. He, like, he loves, like, the show, this, how, this, how things are made, or how, how, yeah, I think, on Sci Fi or something. So, like, he loved it. But the gala that we went to was at California Adventure grand, the grand California Adventure hotel, but it was for his diabetes camp. And so this was our second year. We went, and we make it a whole like Disney weekend. So I pick him up from school early on Friday. We drive down, just the two of us, and we do Disneyland. So I think this year we did both parks. Yeah, we did both parks. We stayed at the new Pixar hotel. He is so he just loves to talk to people. So, like, we're checking in. Like, I didn't know where there was, like, construction or something, so we were checking in. It was, like, almost a self check in for the hotel. But I was like, I don't know where to go. Let's just go, like, talk to someone. Let's go into the front Yeah, so he went to the front desk, and he's like, Hi, we're here to check in. This is my Manny Paul. And I was like, I just let him take the take the reins. He knows what. Let's just do it. Like, why do I need to say anything? He the person on the front desk loved him so much they, like, gave him a like Pixar backpack with like activities in it. It was, like, so cute. I was like, do I get one of these? Because I want her Disney fan than this kid I paid. Yeah. So we did a whole Friday, Saturday, Disney, Disney weekend. The gala was that night, and it was, I forget the guy that hosted. He's on one of the Marvel I don't think it was Supergirl, but he was someone he he also has type one diabetes, but he's in like the CW, Marvel Universe. I forget what his name is, but I

Kristen Daukas: 31:41

would character name, Mm, yeah,

Unknown: 31:46

I'm not sure, but anyway, it was, it's such a lovely experience and that I'm able to, like, now, I'm able to take him places and, like, we go to Disneyland, and I can handle his Diabetes and figure out, like, Okay, let's go get these snacks. And, like, figure out, I bring, I'm like, maybe a little OCD, but I bring, like, a little mini scale, because then we can weigh, we can weigh, like, the slices of pineapple, and how much pineapple is this? And like, what are the carbs? And it's, I don't think

Kristen Daukas: 32:21

that's OCD. I think that's just being a very caring person, right? And I mean that ish is serious. I mean, yeah, the last thing you want, especially because of all the excitement and stuff like that at a park. I mean, in general, definitely. But I mean, like at a park is, that's the last place you want that to happen?

Unknown: 32:41

Oh, absolutely I did learn, like, one of the biggest lessons that I've learned this is our second year going just Oliver and I for Disneyland. And I know this isn't for everybody, and I know that, like, I'm in a very different situation, because I'm not paying for this Disney trip. It's his parents. But I have learned, and this is giving myself grace in that the Disneyland experience that I would like to have is not going to be the Disneyland experience that we are going to have, and I'm going to allow him to dictate what our day looks like. Because if I try to force any sort of expectation on the day, it's going to go south real fast. So like Oliver, what are we going to do if we're going to ride this three times in a row? Fantastic. Let's do that, and it makes it. It makes it for a day that there are no breakdowns, like there was no, like, full on meltdown. He just had, like, the best day. And he said at one point he just wanted to go back to the hotel and chill. And I was like, perfect. Okay, let's go. Let's go do that. We've done, we've done enough, like, for right now. Let's go back. It worked out because we had to change his CGM and as the XCOM. So that was great. It's the longest two hours of my life,

Kristen Daukas: 34:07

yeah. But in addition to giving yourself grace, one of the biggest things that you learned too, is that the fastest way to be disappointed is to have expectations,

Unknown: 34:16

absolutely. I mean, pretty much with everything I set the bar right, absolutely, like, it's hard to be disappointed when the bars like way down here, but

Kristen Daukas: 34:25

it's really hard to do that when you're you're young, you are your younger you right? Because society tells us these are the expectations, right? And then we as individuals go, Okay, well, my expectation is that I'm going to it doesn't until later that you go, that's some malarkey right there. And you know, when you let go of expectations, it's just such a freeing thing, and then you truly do enjoy all the things that are around you. So we're about to wrap up, and I'm going to throw something on you that I've just. Decided, like, while I was talking to you, that I'm going to make an every guest thing. I'm going to just ask a really weird, random question, and I want you to answer it. I think for you, I'm going to say, Do y'all have winter coats out there in LA, LA land that I can't

Unknown: 35:18

I was going to say, I do. I mean, it's not like a full on winter, but it's just in case I go traveling and like, I'm not

Kristen Daukas: 35:26

gonna ask you that question, because that's that. That's a like, if you have a winter coat question. So So you find yourself with an unexpected day off, nothing to do, absolutely nothing to do, and you got some cash in your bank account, right? What are you doing? What are you doing for the day? Wow, or it doesn't have to be the whole day. It can be just one thing. What? Almost like, what's, what's your little guilty pleasure that you would be like, I'm out of here. Let's go do this just one day, though.

Unknown: 35:59

That's all I need. One day unexpected off, I would probably go to Disneyland and just spend the day I haven't done like, just me, though I used to do Disneyland all the time, I like, oh gosh, I had a an annual pass. It was lovely. And I would go down at least once or twice a month. And I think I haven't done that in a long time, and I would definitely do that like, I I'm one of those people that just had, like, the favorite things that I like to do when I'm there. I like to go to the animations building and, like, just sit and get how amazing it is, and also the AC, but it's like, it's truly, like, my favorite building, I think ever, like, it's so beautiful inside. And the fact that, I don't know if you knew this story, but it's so like, John Stamos proposed to his wife in there, in that building. Oh, that's, like, the story is, I just finished his book recently, and, like, he had it all closed down, and he went in and it was just the two of them, and this whole, uh, if I get proposed that way, when Yes, the yes is coming. Like, I don't think I'm gonna get married, but, like, the yes would definitely come anyway. But Disneyland, I think, is the one thing. Like, I if I had no plans, like, I just unexpected day off, yeah, I'd hop down and go to Disneyland.

Kristen Daukas: 37:34

I love it. I love it, all right. Well, thank you, my friend, for our three Pete, and what might be 2.5 so that means we got to throw another point five in there, right? So okay, we can do that. We could do that. I do hang on for one more second. But in the meantime, I'd like to say thanks to everyone who's listening or watching. However you choose to consume your media is a private thing. Until next time. I hope your drinks are cold or your coffee's hot, and whoever's bothering you is not till next time friends, as the saying goes, you don't have to go home, but you can stay here. And that's a wrap for this week's episode. A big thanks to my guests for sharing their story and to you for listening. Don't forget to share the show with your friends and spread the words and if you'd like to be a guest on the show, the link is in the show notes till next time cheers you.