Brothers with Opinions -B.W.O.
Four friends discussing Winchester, VA news and topics. Debating political issues, news, social injustice and anything that is up for debate in our world.
Brothers with Opinions -B.W.O.
From Local Triumphs to NFL Legends: Sports Highlights and History Lessons
Ready to catch the latest buzz in local sports and beyond? Tune in as we unravel the thrilling triumphs and unexpected upsets from the VHSL playoffs, spotlighting key victories like Salem's against George Washington and Phoebus' commanding win over Churchland. We'll guide you through the highlights of teams like Sherando and Strasburg, and reflect on the bittersweet moments of supporting local teams despite some disappointing outcomes. Plus, take a peek into the high-energy playoff structure of West Virginia, where every game keeps you on the edge of your seat.
Next, we stir up some spirited debate about who deserves a spot in the NFL Hall of Fame. We passionately argue for legends like Antonio Gates, Steve Smith Sr., and Adam Vinatieri, while also giving some love to players whose brilliance often flies under the radar, like Fred Taylor and Hines Ward. The discussion gets heated and hilarious as we weigh Super Bowl bling and overall impact, all while playfully owning up to our personal biases and preferences.
Finally, we take a serious look at history and education, starting with the harrowing tale of the Tulsa Massacre and the ongoing fight for reparations. We shine a light on the gaps in school curriculums and push for a more honest, inclusive approach to teaching history, drawing comparisons to how Germany confronts its past. Wrapping things up, we blend history and sports by discussing NFL picks and the ever-entertaining team rivalries, especially the iconic Dallas vs. Washington showdown. Get ready for a mix of laughter, learning, and lively discussion that's sure to keep you engaged from start to finish.
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Speaker 2:Man. A lot of people talk, but they ain't never walked apart. Gotta shine a light on poverty and fight against injustice and always speak the truth. What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to another episode of Brothers With Opinions, aka BWO. Get on YouTube and Google us. We got our new web page out there. Hit those like buttons, but subscribe more than anything. Make sure you follow us. Give us honest feedback. It's the 24th, a few days before y'all's favorite day to eat a lot of food and watch some foosball with the friends and family. But we're going to get right into it right now with my brothers Wayne and Tony, once again our stepbrother Zeb over there at work, but you know, got to pay them bills. So let's get right into it with these local sports scores, especially what's been happening in the VHSL playoffs.
Speaker 3:All right, all right. So local scores in class four. We'll just do the whole district again. Salem wins 24-3 over George Washington. A shocker to me. Sherando beats Jefferson Forest 20-14 at home. No shocker. Phoebus destroys Churchland 41-0. Hampton 28-7 over Smithfield. John Champa, champa, how do you say that? I'm not sure C-H-A-M-P-E, but they win 41-21 over Woodgrove. Tuscarora wins again 34-7 over Loudoun County. Dinwiddie wins 70-35 over King George. Verena wins 26-0 over Huguenot. So that's hold on. I'll go to Class 3 now. I'm sorry, we don't want to forget Strasburg and Woodstock. All that area, woodstock's, all that area.
Speaker 2:Woodstock's knocked out man. I'm just saying Central, woodstock Central, sorry, but Strasburg's in it, baby them and Sherando's still in it from the area, so you got to keep rolling with them. Good schools.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we'll touch on them. Unfortunately, me and Wayne drove all the way to Richmond, to Virginia Union and Skyline lost 30 hold on 35-7. 38-7. 38-7. To Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 2:But that ain't unfortunate. It sucks that they lost, but at least y'all went down there to show our local school love and the little big homie Zayden. So that was the whole point. Just unfortunately it didn't work out because nobody helped.
Speaker 3:Zayden, you said yeah, so that's what we do. And then Kettle Runs, squeaked by Armstrong, 36-34. And who am I? So that's the other local schools. I'll give them scores real quick. So then the West Virginia playoffs. We can't forget about West Virginia, you love West Virginia.
Speaker 2:We ain't going to forget about it.
Speaker 3:We're going to live a hop skipping, a jump away. Am I right or wrong? So Martinsburg I saw one big, if my phone wants to work here. But Martinsburg won, spring Mills won 50. I think they won 56 to nothing Over who they played. But I'll find it here real quick.
Speaker 2:Can they play each other in the state championship, or is that impossible because they're from the same town? That's a very good question. Is there no other schools in West Virginia better than Martinsburg and Spring Mills?
Speaker 3:So Martinsburg. I'm sorry, so real quick it came up now. So martinsburg won 77 to 7 over parkersburg.
Speaker 3:I I I'll just say I don't get the whisper because it's like every team makes the playoffs like I don't know I'm just gonna say that, like they, I I don't know either, it's something I gotta look at, but it seems, like you know, teams with with like a 1-9 record are still in the playoffs. So Musselman lost to Wheeling Park 43-0. Spring Mills destroyed Hedgesville 56-0. Morgantown won 35-10. Jefferson won 48-28 over Cable Midland. So their first round of playoffs finally started. Remember they were on hold there before they postponed their playoffs due to an injunction or whatever. That was probably to do with all that player ineligibility and shit figuring out records and stuff, because people were getting their wins back.
Speaker 2:So there's five areas that's still in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Durando, Strasburg, Jefferson, Martinsburg, Spring Mills.
Speaker 3:Well, Hedgesville. They just got knocked out. Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the teams that's still advancing. They're going on.
Speaker 3:Not Jefferson, I'm sorry, I meant to say Jefferson High School.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said Jefferson, martinsburg, Spring Mill, sharando Strasburg.
Speaker 3:All right, cool, yep, so they're still winning Tri-state area team. I guess we will put it that way if you want to Okay, yeah, they're still getting it. Good luck to all them teams, all of them hey Sharando's doing the thing I mean. They play, because All of them hey Sharando's doing the thing I mean they play because your matchups next week will be. Sharando plays Salem In Stephen City Yep, in Stephen City. So we'll be there too that Friday night, Yep. So Martinsburg takes on Parkinsburg South, and then you've got Spring Mills plays Morgantown.
Speaker 2:Jefferson plays Hurricane and Strasburg plays who.
Speaker 3:I'm going to find that right now for you. You got to give me a second. I got to. The sad thing is I got to jump back from state to state. I love, baby, I love.
Speaker 2:Zolo from state to state.
Speaker 3:Yep, you're asking Strasburg, huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Rams, they still in it. Hold on, what are they? They're class two. I have no idea, but they're still in it.
Speaker 3:Oh, my fault. Yeah, that's right I forgot. Sorry about we forgot the class too, because I forget. I always think Strasburg's class three, the Strasburg plays Buckingham, is who they play that's it for those five teams.
Speaker 2:What about a team that's cross town from Hanley? They just won a third state championship in a row. Yeah who?
Speaker 3:was that.
Speaker 2:James Wood girls volleyball team yes, congrats to them. I know they won three in a row.
Speaker 3:That's amazing, I know I know they won two in a row. This was back. I know they won last year. I remember we gave them a shout out last year when they won, but yeah, I didn't know that that was their third. I didn't. Yeah, that's, that's impressive. So congrats to the girl and the whole coach.
Speaker 2:Except for that, that's impressive winning three state titles in a row I think the only time I can remember a team in our area winning three state championships in a row was the hanley's girls tennis team yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 2:I remember every day, every year in intercom I would just hear Hanley girls state champions, Hanley girls state champions.
Speaker 3:I'm like damn I can't even think of a team like back-to-back in our area, because it's hard enough just winning one in any sport.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's lit. And what about the college up on the hill down there? Oh, Shenandoah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And so Chris is right. Shenandoah, oh yeah. And so Chris is right, shenandoah is doing big things. There'll be like a bowl game. You know, come up, what is it? I think this Saturday they're playing. Where is that at? In?
Speaker 2:Salem. Shenandoah's got to go to Salem.
Speaker 3:Yep, it's at the Salem football stadium, I believe.
Speaker 2:And they're nine and one. That's amazing.
Speaker 4:So they're not usually that good, real busy in the Salem area the last few weeks.
Speaker 3:I know right. What does everything end up in Salem for?
Speaker 2:all the time. What college are they playing?
Speaker 3:Huh, they're playing Salem University, or something yeah, I think they're playing at the university, not the high school sale no, no, of course not, but I'm sure university.
Speaker 2:Who's the opponent? Is it roano?
Speaker 3:roano. No, if some team they've never, never I'll find it they are first off. We'll say their record is. You know they could break their wins record if they win the bowl game. Everybody, you know the best, because they're 8-2 right now. So they get nine wins. That'll be their most wins in their program history for their football team. They are playing Moravian M-O-R-A-V-I-N. They're six and two is their record. That's who they're playing, I don't know, but let's go Hornets. But the thing is they've never played each other, but this year they played the same opponent. They played Genuata College or University in Shenandoah when they gave 62-27, and this Moravian played them in 135-13. College or university in Shenandoah, when they gave 62 to 27, and this Moravian played them in 135 to 13. So they played a same opponent. So just to give you an idea. But supposedly Shenandoah has like a hell of a rushing attack, like they pounded on what I read in the article.
Speaker 2:Any kids from the area doing big things right now in the colleges? What's Stephen Daly and them doing? What's going?
Speaker 3:on with all them.
Speaker 2:I know their team ain't so good.
Speaker 3:They haven't got to win for Stephen Daly.
Speaker 4:Kent State's.
Speaker 2:They haven't won when you watch, though you'd be looking, They'd be playing Indiana and Ohio State and shit. I'm like damn, they played in big schools.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they always on Division I big-time school schedules Kent State.
Speaker 2:I think somebody we're going to talk about in a few minutes went to Kent State James Harrison. You may be right, I don't know. You have to look that up. I think that's where he went.
Speaker 3:You may be right, so, yeah. So, guys, that's all the local stuff. Congrats again to James Wood. You know volleyball team and continued success to all these local football teams, you know. Good luck in the playoffs and hopefully, somebody pulls out a state title in the area. That could be huge. So somebody pulls out a state title in the area, that could be huge. So moving on, guys, our first topic we are going to talk about the Hall of Fame nominees for the class of 2025 in the NFL. We want to give our opinions on who we think should be in there. Chris brought this up, so it's a loaded list for this class of 2025. And James Harrison is part of it, yeah. So who's on that list, chris?
Speaker 2:On the whole list.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the whole list.
Speaker 2:Because we're going to give you the. There's eight people that make it per year and this year they have 25 people and they are stacked. The list is Eric Allen, jared allen, willie anderson, anquan bolden, jari evans, antonio gates, james harrison, rodney harrison, tory hope, luke cleckley, elah manning, robert mathis, steve smith jr. Senior. I mean terrell suggs, fred taylor, earl thomas adam Steve Smith Jr, sr. I mean Terrell Suggs, fred Taylor, earl Thomas, adam Vinatieri, hans Ward, ricky Waters, reggie Wayne, richmond Webb, vince Wilfolk, steve Wisgonowski, darren Woodson and Marshall Yonda. That's 25 people. If you were to put them on a team man, they would have gone undefeated for like 10 years in a row. 25 people. If you were to put them on a team man, they would have gone undefeated for like 10 years in a row.
Speaker 4:Just to add to what you just said, james Harrison, he did go to Kent State yeah, I thought so, and he really didn't even get recruited.
Speaker 2:He was a walk-on at Kent State. That's what's going to happen with Stephen Watch Yep.
Speaker 4:So big up to James Harrison for being a nominee and a walk-on in college, yeah.
Speaker 3:You're right. He took the long path that's right To get to where he never gave up.
Speaker 4:That's why I tell all these kids stay grinding, man, stay grinding. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3:So, chris, you have. You want to start with you I guess You're right who you think will be in it my favorite Titan ever, Antonio Gates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say think I guess who you would like to see in yeah, my favorite tight end ever, antonio Gates, somebody who played on the greatest show on turf, torrey Holt. Somebody I was skeptical of because of his overall game and stats. But when I tell people he's got the biggest trump card, when people talk trash, that's eli, like he wasn't a man like that. But you got two super bowl rings and guess who they was against tom brady, who they called a go, who got seven wins. Well, he stopped him from getting nine because he won two.
Speaker 2:So I, I pick eli, I pick, uh, steve smith, senior adam venetary that's a hand no-brainer right there, hands down reggie wayne, vince wilfork and t sizzle, t sugs that's the eight I would choose if I had to pick out of those eight, if I was voting so out of yours. If I took out eli, then I would put in james harrison. But I got to give eli's props for being that QB that them crazy-ass plays they came up with and won two Super Bowls against Tom.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's impressive, but I just want to say this Out of your eight, I have three, so I have five different ones.
Speaker 4:Out of your eight, I got six. Damn so great minds take a life.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, on that point we'll keep it close then and go with. Wayne, cause this will go age wise. Tony's always the senior citizen on this show.
Speaker 4:Shocking Cause, I'm gonna start it just like you started. Number one, my favorite tight end of all time, hands down Antonio Gates Coming in at number two, the greatest show on turf, torrey Holt. And it can't be a sizzle without the T at three, and that's Terrell Suggs I got my big man in the middle to help New England, you know, win some titles. Vince Wolford Can't forget out the big boy from BMORE, mr Yonda. And hands down one of the toughest goddamn small receivers ever, steve Smith Sr. Definitely got to go over with the walk-on. And now the nominee for the Hall of Fame in James Harrison, and it ain't Tucker. Well, hey, it's got to be my man Vinatieri baby. The last one at number eight. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3:I got to say the same three. There's three that both of you guys selected. That I did, but the other five are different. So I guess, I'll start with the three we have the same, which means I know you don't have Yonda. Hold on. You'll see Because.
Speaker 2:I know me and Wayne only got two differences.
Speaker 3:So the three I got that we all agree on, Antonio Gates.
Speaker 2:I love Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was probably the greatest tight end of all time he's up thereve, smith jr, senior or senior, I'm sorry, is it that same? And then, of course, adam venetieri. No to me, those three have to, in our opinion should get in, but the other five I have, darren woodson, we knew that as a dallas fan, you deserve.
Speaker 4:come on super. But we knew that as a Dallas fan, Come on Super Bowl Not hate, but we knew that you were probably going to take him A little bias here.
Speaker 3:Jared Allen, I love him. Luke Keekly.
Speaker 2:Then I have Tony. We could be funny real quick and be like Tony's like fuck that, I'm picking the white guys, oh shit.
Speaker 3:I did, didn't I? It's fine, they're beasts, but I mean just statistically. I mean, if you probably look at that, you know they were the best at their position. I mean Jared Allen was a fucking dog. He was a dog Like dude. You know my bitch, whatever.
Speaker 2:Jared, I have my best defensive ends when I was, when we was watching it younger.
Speaker 3:And Keith Lee was a could change the game. Being inside, you know what I mean. So all right, my last two, my boy. I feel he definitely needs to be an overlooked all the time and underrated, running back Fred Taylor, these would be in the whole thing. He's got a lot of stats, yeah, neat, overlooked. And then I have Hines Ward.
Speaker 2:Hines Ward was a beast, they're all beasts, man, you can't just get them dudes that get in, but like you say whoever gets in it's well-deserving.
Speaker 3:It's just, I think those, those. I just chose those eight and I think some for like. I chose war just because I like the way he played. He was nasty and like to take people's head off.
Speaker 4:He loved blitz yeah he's the reason why they took that block and back up the field, hitting people out of the game oh, the blind side block yeah because he would do that shit.
Speaker 3:Who's the?
Speaker 2:best player on that list that gets in before any of them in your opinion? Antonio Gates, look same thing. That's wild to have three people that all feel the same way. And guess what? Because Eli do got two rings, vince Wilford and them got rings. T-sizzle got rings, some boys got rings, but guess what? Antonio Gates ain't getting no rings because that stuff they talking about with Deion and his boys, they cheated back then Eli's dad in them but he ain't going to no San Diego. Maybe if Eli was over there playing with Gates and them they might have won.
Speaker 4:And this is a great debate they had, Breeze. It was just the Chargers defense was some shit bro. Breeze got hurt young.
Speaker 2:Breeze got. Just the Chargers defense was some shit, bro. Well, Brees got hurt young, Brees got hurt young. They tricked it up and then got rid of him to go to Saints.
Speaker 3:He went to the Dolphins, right Well they had Phillips and Brees at the same time, they couldn't decide on who was the.
Speaker 2:Brees got hurt so they let him go because they got the rookie contract to Phillips.
Speaker 3:They gave it to Phillips and the story Brees went off to New Orleans and got him a Super Bowl, one of the all-time leading passers, even though Phillip ain't no slouch either.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he is a slouch bro.
Speaker 2:I always thought Phillip Rivers was overrated and I always think Justin Herbert's overrated. That's one quarter. I don't know if that's a whole other topic, but that's just me. But yeah, and Phillip Rivers, man, he could air it out in the regular season. Yeah, he couldn't play at all he could do that more than Dak, but they regular season QBs.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he stayed throwing 50 or 10 passes in a game. He'd always have like three touchdowns, but you always Four interceptions. What's going on with it? Like, come on, man, like they should have kept Breeze over Rivers East.
Speaker 2:They didn't know at the time, so maybe I could be like. He might not deserve to get into the Hall of Fame, because I think Eli broke Brett Favre's record for most picks.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, what I was going to say is how does the Hall of Fame, do they go over stats, stats over rings or rings over stats? Because Eli's a great example of, okay, he won two Super Bowls, but a lot of people say it was that defense, which, honestly, I can agree, because that Giants, when they won, their defense was-.
Speaker 2:I think every QB that's won two Super Bowls or more they're in right.
Speaker 3:I mean he's going to get in, they're going to put him in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's going to get in, but Gates is definitely that first ballot. We they're going to put him in. Yeah, he's going to get in, but Gates is definitely that first ballot. We all know about Tony Gonzalez, but Gates really changed the tight end position in the NFL, man yeah and Tony's already in. He was originally a. He basically turned basketball into football.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4:He was doing basketball moves on defenders on a football field man. It was insane what Antonio Gates was doing like in his first five to seven years of his career man.
Speaker 3:It was crazy. I'm glad you brought it up because he revolutionized the tight end, because originally he was a basketball player and then Coach. A lot of them were.
Speaker 2:Jimmy Graham. That's what I'm saying, the only person I would personally be like you know what, if somebody shows somebody else I'd be like all right, I'll let you have that would be Gronkowski. I don't think nobody else better than my boy Gates. Gronk was different. I ain't going to lie. That big boy was different.
Speaker 3:But I'm here to tell you I don't know if Gonzalez might have an argument- Because the guy.
Speaker 4:Rest in peace. Aaron hernandez, if, if he would have just kept his head straight and we wouldn't be talking about grump, because he had better numbers and less minutes, less touches, less snaps on the field than grump man like he was just like that go-to tight end for the patriots.
Speaker 2:I mean, we all know about what grump did we know they was gonna be together, that would have been the sickest tight end tandem ever. They wouldn't even be receivers. The only receiver they really had, wes was decent and that slot receiver, but Moss obviously to me, him and Jerry the best ever and Moss the most talented man. Imagine you would have both of them together. Because they had them together they won a Super Bowl Right. Imagine like you said, if Aaron didn't get hemmed up with all that, whatever happened. Legal stuff.
Speaker 4:Right, and it's crazy because, like he was very way more athletic than Gronkowski, Way more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Gronk was more just big piece, like built different.
Speaker 4:Well, damn it. Yeah, he was just Gronk, just knew how to get open.
Speaker 2:He wasn't the fastest guy out there, but he just knew, but his size and strength was different Right, and then once he caught the ball, like you said, the size and strength Right.
Speaker 4:Once Aaron catch it, man, I mean he could probably take it to the house. We didn't see a lot of that from Gronk. You know what I'm saying? Gronk was just running through people, stiff-arming, breaking tackles, but Aaron Hernandez, he put them. Motherfucking cuts on you real quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I just take gates over anybody. I've always loved them.
Speaker 4:All day, any day, man. I used to hate it, man, because I played fantasy football and every time I played somebody and I looked across and I seen gates, I was like oh shit, you already knew he was going to score two touchdowns. You're right, go over 100 yards and probably have almost 10 catches, man. You're right, go over 100 yards and probably have almost 10 catches. Man, fuck around and give you like 40 points in fantasy man Like I used to hate it Right.
Speaker 3:Tony, would you take him over Witten? Oh man, hell, yeah, yeah, stop, I'm a captain.
Speaker 2:I got to ask him though because, he's a multiple fucking all-star pro bowler kind of guy. And that's Tony. I know it's Tony's guy from Dallas. I mean that's cool.
Speaker 3:I mean Witten made pro, witten did it. Like Wayne just said, like Bronco, witten wasn't the fastest, he could just get open, he just knew how to get open.
Speaker 4:But we all knew that. But Witten had stars around him. Look, he's trying to downgrade his ability. Yeah, we really got to stop and think about what Antonio Gates really had.
Speaker 3:I mean, he had LeDain Lee and Kyle Thompson, yeah, yeah, which is one of the greatest Dude they had? I get that Dude. They were loaded on offense. Come on now.
Speaker 4:Come on now. But Gates, look, it didn't matter, man, you could double this guy. It didn't matter, man, you could double this guy. If you single him, you already know what time it is, but if you double him he was still going to get a grand.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I agree, that's it. Yeah, I agree, you think Kelsey can be better than him. No, I bet you can ask?
Speaker 4:Kelsey right now.
Speaker 2:Kelsey already got like three rings man. I think Kittle would be better than.
Speaker 3:Kelsey.
Speaker 4:Kelsey right now, he'd probably tell you that he idolized Antonio Gates man. I don't know, it just seemed like a lot of his route running and shiftiness it reminds me of Gates man, but I don't know. I'd take Kittle right now over Kelsey.
Speaker 3:Like as of right now in the season. Yeah, I don't want either one of them.
Speaker 4:You know who I'm going to take.
Speaker 2:The rookie from Raiders.
Speaker 4:The dog baby, oh yeah, the Georgia Bulldog. He leads all statistical categories when it comes to tight ends man. When it comes to yards, targets, catches Brock Bowers, hands down man.
Speaker 3:He's starting to look like one of the elite tight ends, but he's built like a damn wide receiver though, but he is like a wide receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're playing the tight end position and I'm hearing all the forget Dallas and Giants and everybody else. I'm hearing Sanders the kid. He wants to go to the Raiders, to the door yeah, I'm hearing that's where he wants to go. And on the sports talk show they was like but you can't force your way to go somewhere. And then somebody was obviously brought up, the Phillip Rivers-Eliot thing. It was like yeah, you can. And they was like but that was the Manning. Archie Manning did that. They was like Deion definitely can do that.
Speaker 4:Right, I ain't going to lie to you, Georgia. They got two beast-ass dogs right there on offense in the NFL man. We can't forget Ladd McConkie either, from the Chargers.
Speaker 2:They're the Georgia Bulldogs. They got nothing but dogs.
Speaker 4:Man, them two dudes. I'm telling you their first year in the league. Hands down, they showing like they belong there. Man, I think a lot to you, ladd McConkie. He reminds me a little bit of Emmanuel Sanders, for real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree. So for real, yeah, I agree. So, uh, let's move on, guys. So that's our everyone, that's our hall of fame, nominees, selections and our brothers with opinions. So don't get mad and don't hate on all our opinions so moving gates gates yeah, he's gonna be a future guest fellas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably Never know. So we're going to move on to. We're going to talk about things we want to bring up. Every week we discuss this where you know stuff that's not taught in schools, and try to bring up history, anything you know, to bring up to everybody and open up people's eyes. The topic we have come up with this week is the Black Wall Street Massacre, or Tulsa Massacre, and we're going to talk about that. So I'll just start off with saying that the Tulsa Massacre, or Black Wall Street Massacre, was two days long and, of course, white supremacists kk get whatever, since people don't know happened in on may 31st to june 1st in 1921, when mobs of white residents just destroyed everything in tulsa oklahoma right chris, because with guns and torches and fire and everything else.
Speaker 2:They killed and burned, killed all those people and burned down everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history. All right, so discuss a little bit about Black Wall Street. Chris, you was talking about it. What was all going on there when it was booming and blah, blah, blah. You can touch on that a little bit, because, of course, they had their own community going. I mean, it's out of here.
Speaker 2:They built up a neighborhood with about 10,000 residents and created all their own businesses and everything from barbershops to pool halls, movie theater, grocery stores, restaurants. There was doctors, dentists, lawyers, offices, like they had it all they had their own cars, their own garages, everything but Obviously man a lot of hate always. Yeah, you're right, so they know how these people came to on the devil town and just was like we're gonna wipe this out, yeah it was and and those, the people and the remnants of that that still made it.
Speaker 2:They they didn't make it per se as far as like they thrived and was able to keep going. It ruined families and family trees. It ruined all the businesses like they had their kids and their, their grandkids and futures set up, set up for success and to continue businesses and this and that and hopefully build more throughout the country. But that was just where it started in Tulsa and, to be honest, yeah, them white folks was like no because they didn't want nobody to be the upper hand for some reason, when it was not affecting them.
Speaker 2:I don't understand that, except for the pure hate that people had at that time. It's hate for somebody of a different color.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it just shows you the pure hatred of a different complexion, actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so total I'll touch on some of those like so total deaths and displaced they have, which is unknown 36 total deaths, 26 black and 10 white. According to 1921 records, 150 to 200 black and 50 white dead. Okay, so 39 were confirmed dead. So, anyway, so during this whole massacre, you know, which is complete bullshit. So, and I just thought that the massacre occurred on Memorial Day weekend, yeah, is when it occurred, just to throw that out there yeah, that's probably when they called it memorial day and then tell us some other bullshit about why they call it memorial day now yeah yeah, it almost to me sounds like the government allowed this man well, it's probably because you gotta think.
Speaker 3:Look, I'm touching on some statistics here. It says about 10,000 black people were left homeless and the cost of property amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate damage and $750 in personal property damage.
Speaker 2:That's a million in 1941. Yes, huge difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's equivalent to almost $40 million in today's money. Yeah, so, according, it's equivalent to almost 40 million in today's money.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know all the damage.
Speaker 4:And out of all those people From that time, there's only two survivors that are still living in one's 109 years old, one's 110, 110. It's crazy Viola Fletcher and Leslie Randall is 109. They were the last two of three survivors. The third one died last year and they had filed a lawsuit for reparation and the Oklahoma Supreme Court dismissed the lawsuit for the last two surviving people of that massacre, just shot them down and said there is no reparation for that. Yeah, because that's what I, and I kind of think that's mind-boggling also.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're right, because I'm onto that now too, the reparations from all this what's that they were trying to get reparations from everything that was basically destroyed from the massacre.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all the people.
Speaker 2:You can never get reparations for people that's dead and gone.
Speaker 3:Well, it says in 1996, okay. 75 years after the massacre, a bipartisan group in the state legislature authorized the formation of the Oklahoma Commission to study Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. The commissioner's final report, published in 2001, states that the city had conspired with the racist mob. It recommended a program of reparation to survivors and their descendants. The state passed legislation to establish scholarships for the descendants of survivors, encourage the economic development of Greenwood and develop a park in the memory of the victims of the massacre in Tulsa. So that was some of the reparations, I guess.
Speaker 2:No, I was just saying, like the people that's dead and gone, man, you can't bring them back?
Speaker 3:Well, they said they're family. I'm saying in general, but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:How much money you give me. If I just lost my mom or my cousins, my sisters, I'd be like what?
Speaker 1:Give me no money.
Speaker 2:I mean I get it, but that ain't never going to bring them back. I'd be like man, get out of here. Yeah, you're right yeah man, it's just sad man. Yeah, but it's sad that they don't teach it.
Speaker 3:But oh yeah, it said, like I said, we're bringing this up. You know about talking about that and you know they talking about that and you know to bring light to everybody the shit you don't fucking learn in school. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So that's the thing. I ain't gonna lie. I'm surprised they teach slavery and everything else.
Speaker 3:And see, that's a good.
Speaker 4:They teach it, but not to the full extent though Of course not, but they still.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised they still be like yeah, white people came here, killed the natives and then used black people as slaves and we just built this land up. That's why we got everything. They don't say it in that right, because we're little when they teach us that shit, so we just understand a little bit of it right reality that they did teach us that. So we, if we were smart enough, or our parents our parents never talked to us about it. I don't know about y'all, they didn't really talk about all that. My caretakers didn't talk about none of that stuff in school. They was just like make sure y'all do your homework yeah, right.
Speaker 3:So let's talk about that. You know why. Why isn't let's say that? Why? Why don't schools teach a lot? I can say blackish, you know, because the curriculum.
Speaker 2:The curriculums are written by people that don't want it to be taught, and rockefeller and them changed this back in the 30s, right, or whatever the 20s, 30s or 40s. In that time frame they changed the whole system and everything. So the curriculum is only what they want to be taught. That's why I'm surprised that slavery is still brought up, because they don't teach nothing else. The rest, if you're talking about black history, they only really talk about um from those times, obviously, harriet Tubman and then Martin Luther King. They skip a lot of stuff. They don't teach people nothing. They don't teach all the black. Everything in this country was invented by black people.
Speaker 4:They don't tell all the people that in these schools To be honest with you, though, really, if they really taught the truth, man, there would be so much conflict within the schools between probably black and white kids.
Speaker 2:Oh, because they would just be the opposite. It would be people would know the whole truth instead of the lie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with certain kids that were brought up differently, but if they, would have never been told those things, because the truth was always told, then it would be different. That's what I'm saying. Like, but they was. Like now we ain't going to tell all that, we ain't gonna tell all that. We ain't gonna tell you, we just burned down a whole town in toaster, oklahoma, that was thriving. Like they don't tell you that, right, true? Yeah, I think they only tell us about martin luther king because they're like yeah, he brought people together and for some reason they chose him I guess because he was so big and it happened not too long before we was born that they couldn't hide it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, shit, I'm losing my train of thought, but what I wanted to say was about history. Right, like, think about you. Know, in elementary school you learn about the Indians and this and that, but what do you? What do they teach you about the Indians? Like we're freaking friends with them.
Speaker 2:They don't teach you. Why are they called Indians when they're from here? Well, Native Americans, but but there was nothing called Native.
Speaker 3:Indigenous hold on Indigenous people right so let me be politically correct. So Indigenous people, right. Why are we learning in school? Basically, all you think about is Thanksgiving, like, oh, we broke bread with them, and everything. No, we massacred them too.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's a massacre celebration.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we murdered you. It's called.
Speaker 2:Thanksgiving. It's like thanks for giving us this land did you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:break the word down.
Speaker 2:Thanks for giving but they get against their own will.
Speaker 3:They didn't choose hell, no and then like moving on, and you know, then you slowly move on. The way you look. The thing is. A great example is the Holocaust right in Germany. They put that out there in a like they have a memorial or something, but I think in school like they don't really teach the Holocaust or anything. They don't talk about that shit in school. But why do we? You know, because it's a negative image of their country but we sit here and talk about. Why do we want to bring it up you know what I mean and teach it in?
Speaker 2:school, because if you don't from your past, then you're bound to repeat it.
Speaker 3:But, like you say, they teach it, I guess, but they don't really glorify it. You know what I mean, because it's a negative. Look on them so, and that's the same I see with girls. Well, I, I understand that they built a memorial and everything, for you know the holocaust memorial, so it's not like they forgot about it. You know what I mean. It's right there in front of everybody's face. So, but yeah, I mean no black history, but we don't talk about let's just say we don't talk enough about the positives in history there.
Speaker 2:Right, and it was a positive that it was a positive black Wall Street that was turned into a negative because they burn it all down. But they didn't teach that at all in school. Well, y'all, you never heard none of your heat.
Speaker 3:Never did. I didn't, I didn't know about no Tulsa or black street, black wall street Do probably, I think the first time it was like last year, cause.
Speaker 2:I did my own. You heard about Wall Street before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course everybody hears about Wall Street. I wonder if you Google Wall Street, if Black Wall Street comes up, that's even a good question, but I don't know. I stumbled upon it and found it just being on the internet. So yeah, you're not taught that in school.
Speaker 2:We're not taught a lot. This is just one subject we're going to talk about, because they don't like to talk about it.
Speaker 3:You know they'll touch on certain things. Like you know, frederick Douglass and, like you said, martin Luther King. You know they'll talk about a little bit, you know. So those are the first ones that pop in my head.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest, though, and I guess, in one way, the only thing I remember him talking about with his presidents is george, washington, lincoln and jsk they don't talk about nobody else, like you'd be like who's the 17th president? I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 3:They never talk about them right, we learn about three presidents tops, that's it.
Speaker 2:But look how it is. It's exactly 103 years since then. There's never been another kind of black Wall Street.
Speaker 4:When they talk about them first Washington's and all them in school. They don't talk about how they used to rape women, or none of that, do they? Yeah, rape women and they were slave owners.
Speaker 2:They tried to praise them for whatever they did good, because he was the first so-called president.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just like Christopher Columbus was the first to sail right. Shit, Fuck out of here, man.
Speaker 2:I don't know why they teach that still. Oh, he discovered, you can't discover something that was already with people living here. He just found it and discovered it for where he's from. He's like, oh, look something over there. Like they teach us the dumb shit and they still have that dumb ass holiday, Columbus Day, and people will argue about it too with you, just adamant about no.
Speaker 3:Columbus discovered America you dumb ass.
Speaker 2:And it's because they believe everything they're taught so that's what I'm trying to say is, if you're taught the whole life about the uh, about the toss of massacre and black wall street and slavery, the truths and everything, people would have had different mindsets to win, like they would have already been brainwashed and conditioned that way but been told the truth about it.
Speaker 4:So it would have been a real, real conditioning, but they just put the picture and painted the way they wanted to be and if you was in school and argued with a teacher about because she marked your answer wrong because you didn't pick Christopher Glover, how am I wrong?
Speaker 2:That's not the right answer. She's like this is what we teach you also. That's what we said is right.
Speaker 4:This is what they told us.
Speaker 3:You do it their way or it's the highway way.
Speaker 4:But I wonder if they ran across kids that you know argue like me, you know what I'm saying Like to tell them that I think it's ten times worse now, because kids have all this information in their fingertips.
Speaker 2:Of course, very true. They're like I don't know what you're talking about, ms Dorsey, like that ain't real. Yeah, google didn't say that and I didn't even do my research. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Edison didn't come up with the light bulb and Bell damn sure didn't discover the phone. Yeah, but when you take that multiple choice test, you better check those names, because if not you're not going to receive 100.
Speaker 2:Right, jesus, that's 80% right there off two, two answers. If we look at it, see all them bs school things we do we can go back and be like man. Most of us didn't pass certain things and some of us would have been right when we marked things wrong that y'all gave wrong, because the real answer was not what y'all told us. And like you said, ain't no alexander, alexander Graham Bell, these people use their name off of other people's ideals and creations.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think his name was Joseph Latimer, who created the lights, the telephone. He came up with all that man and he just didn't have the money to put a patent on it. And he was buddies with Edison and Edison stole his idea. Probably made him an ultimatum like, hey man, look, let me just put the patent on it. And he was buddies with edison and edison stole his idea. Probably made him a ultimatum like, hey man, look, let me just put the patent on it and then I'll give you this. And he never gave him shit no, like they kill people, man.
Speaker 2:They killed tesla and, but he ain't even black. But they killed that dude and was like no, because he created free energy. It was like I wanted to be free for everybody. They was like hell, no, killed that dude and then created it and made sure that we all had to pay for something that should have been free Energy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man, when you start jumping out there trying to be bigger and better than the actual elites, that's when you get shot down, man. It's a plain example of the Tulsa massacre, man. Black people were trying to build their community up and they shot them right down, man.
Speaker 3:So, all right, wait, I'll touch on this real quick, real quick, guys. So present day you know Black Wall Street. It can still be found today under the historical Greenwood District in Tulsa, oklahoma. After the Tulsa raceacre of 1921, it took about 10 years to rebuild the district. The historical Vernon AME Church is the only building standing today that is a part of the last remaining structure of the massacre.
Speaker 4:And is that church owned by black people? I would hope so. That's a good question.
Speaker 2:It's owned by black people?
Speaker 4:I would hope so. It's a good question. Yeah, it's owned by god, because you got to think about it, there's only two survivors left from that massacre. So yeah, who owns it now? Is it the children? Did the city take over? Like well, let's see, you know, it's a good, it's a good question.
Speaker 2:They killed a lot of people from back then ruined family trees, man. Oh yeah the damage was done.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. It's like oh, we did what we wanted to do, so there you go. It's like it's great whatever they try to preserve, but still, the damage is already fucking done. You could accomplish your goal. So, to answer your question, wayne, the AME Church is an African Methodist Episcopal Church.
Speaker 4:Okay, Usually called AME. You didn't answer my question.
Speaker 3:You said it was black who runs it. Well, I mean, I guess you got a point.
Speaker 4:You can put any name on anything, but who?
Speaker 3:does it. It says founder Richard Allen.
Speaker 4:Founder, yes, he is a black man Right Now is his family member running that church? Not sure, I'm trying to find that for you. That's what I'm trying to say Give me a second.
Speaker 3:He is the founder of this church that still remains the one last standing structure.
Speaker 2:But that's how we're going to wrap up the show. Ladies and gentlemen, we want y'all to go out there and do your own research on different things that they don't really teach us. There's so much more out there than that, man I'm trying to tell you. They lie to us. We've been bringing things up and let y'all know about outer space and about the earth and everything else. They lie to us all the time, man. They tell us what they want us to know and they don't want us to know all the truths, because then we'll be on the same playing field as them, and they don't like that.
Speaker 4:My brother's right man. So teach yourself Research, read, go to the library, man, open up some books.
Speaker 2:They still exist. I know Hanley Library is still down there, ain't it?
Speaker 1:It's still down there, ain't it, it's still down there, it's still there.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of things in the library that they just can't wipe away, bro.
Speaker 3:So go to your local library, you'll find a lot of stuff, man, that just isn't being taught in schools, all right. So us, as brothers with opinions, we're trying to bring up a subject every week to open people's eyes.
Speaker 2:What isn't talked about. They also say try to get books written before the 1930s when it comes to history, because Rockefellers then changed all the books and wrote history how they wanted it, so they was like you need to get books from before then. So that's a hard find, obviously, to find them old books.
Speaker 4:A question for my brother, tony. I mean, you got kids that are in high school. Next question to your kids is do they talk about the Tulsa massacre in school? That's a question you need to ask your kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll ask him, but I'm sure he'll be like huh, he can just ask Christian, because Christian's there in school and then Christian can go there and be like how come we don't talk about that Exactly?
Speaker 3:But real quick. Last notice if you ever noticed, like I guess the most intellectual or smartest kids, a lot of times in school that I like they did their own research, you know some of them, I mean obviously some were book smart, but you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Well, a lot of them, smart people that we went to school with, most of their parents were teachers.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just saying they were book smart.
Speaker 4:But yeah, they're, they got the. They were just programmed and taught.
Speaker 3:They just did get their A's and B, whatever.
Speaker 2:But they had the, they had the encyclopedias and the whole all that stuff, the Britannicas and all that all in their crib. Yeah man they, yeah man they. Probably while we was watching cartoons they was studying the dictionary, man at a young age. That's why they want to step spelling bees and everything else Yep.
Speaker 3:Come on, I want a couple of spelling bees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in third grade. Hey, it still counts who's got a dog and cat Three letter words back. Then he want a third grade spelling bee.
Speaker 4:But he won't. It's weird that he won it.
Speaker 3:It got to my head, I thought I could chill the rest of the school year. All right, moving on wrapping it up, wayne got his NFL picks this Sunday, for everybody.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're getting there, folks. We're getting a little better. Last week was 9-3. Try to give you all a little 10-leg for this week. This week I like Tampa Bay to beat the Giants, I like the Chiefs over the Panthers, I like the Vikings to beat the Patriots, I like the Texans to beat the Titans, I like the Lions and a close one over the Colts into Indianapolis. I like, let's see Denver over Las Vegas, green Bay over 49ers, seahawks over Arizona, the Ravens over the Chargers. And my final pick of the week, them damn Commanders over them Cowboys. Oh shit, how about it, jerry?
Speaker 3:But I was going to say there's a lot of players out Like I thought about that Green Bay Packers game real quick, but Green Bay Packers Niners game yeah.
Speaker 2:Birdie's out.
Speaker 3:Birdie's out for the Niners. Bosa, I think, is out right. Yep For Dallas. Off the top of my head, diggs isn't playing.
Speaker 2:It don't matter for y'all man, y'all been fucking what three, but I'm just saying, like a lot of these big games, Well, Dallas ain't a big game. We're out of it anyway. That's always the biggest rivalry.
Speaker 3:That one in the Bears-Packers. That's a huge game.
Speaker 2:Steelers-Ravens is the biggest rivalry to me in football right now. That's new man.
Speaker 4:That I said right now.
Speaker 2:Hey, they're going to start tanking games, because you're going to tell them what? Shador and Deion no. But I hate when people be like oh, we tanking man, y'all already been losing, so there ain't no tanking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know right, we're not trying to make it look good.
Speaker 2:We lost on purpose.
Speaker 3:This is dude, we suck. We're not a good football team.
Speaker 2:Dallas is horrible and you guys trying to get Sanders next year, you see already, act up a little bit, be a little high-headed. Y'all like that, I think your boy might come to Washington.
Speaker 3:But who?
Speaker 2:Mike could come with his oh yeah, he ain't going to Washington. I love how y'all want our players. You dog us, but it's funny how y'all want our players.
Speaker 3:Look, you want both Deion and you done took our coaches. You done took our coaching staff.
Speaker 2:That's why Mike is coming, because he loves to coach. He said it's been a big difference without him.
Speaker 3:But you see the difference. Though I give you all props, I'll give respect where respect's due. Washington turned around, because what'd they do? They got rid of their frickin' owner, Just cleaned house. Look, you got Dan Quinn, which proves he's a great coach. But where was he? Dallas? But in Dallas it's a different culture, because Jerry wants to run everything.
Speaker 2:So what did that tell you? They switched sports and got two winning minds and brilliant minds from the NBA, and Bob Myers and Magic Johnson. They really make a huge difference too. They brought their integrals of what they know and how to work in the NBA. They brought it to the NFL. We had like 28 new players in the offseason.
Speaker 4:Hey, Tony, your hope is just for Jerry to get caught up in a scandal. Right, he's not going to.
Speaker 2:But he's like 90, man Dude. Yeah, I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 3:I don't want to talk about it, he was old when we was born.
Speaker 4:He'd be looking drunk up in the press box. Man Like the guy don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3:I don't even think he realizes he's at a football game sometimes.
Speaker 4:All he's thinking about is two-stepping and drinking whiskey.
Speaker 2:And he's riding it out to the wheels for a while All right, guys, all right.
Speaker 3:That wraps it up for BWO. Everybody enjoy their Sunday, the Dallas versus Washington game, which will probably honestly, I think Dallas is just going to get mopped today. I'll just say that I think you're all going to dog walk us.
Speaker 2:Oh no, that's always a close matchup, man We'll see, I hope it's a rivalry match.
Speaker 4:I expect a good game. To be honest, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3:So, yeah guys, great show Next week. I know we're going to talk about, you know, local high school basketball because the season is about to start. Hopefully I'm working on a guest for that episode to talk local high school basketball. So tune in for that because the guests will be a will be a coach from a local high school, just the head varsity coach. Just let everybody know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, from SBCA we're ready.
Speaker 3:All right guys, it was fun. Everybody learned a little bit today about Black Wall Street. All right guys, enjoy the rest of the week. Everybody else thanks for tuning in. Remember we have a new YouTube channel which you can search it. It'll be at Brothers With Opinions. Find us on YouTube or on Instagram or on X Facebook. Hit us up, send a message if you got any feedback.
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