Dennis Rox
Staying in your own lane and the Complexities of Unsolicited Advice
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Have you ever caught yourself offering advice when no one asked for it? It's something we all do, but have you considered the impact it has on personal growth—both yours and the recipient's? Our latest episode delves into the delicate dance of personal responsibility, the importance of respecting individual growth stages, and the subtle ego play behind unsolicited advice. Through real-life stories and heartfelt reflections, we navigate the boundaries and autonomy essential in others' learning processes and how focusing on our own paths enriches not just self-improvement but our relationships as well.
As we wade through the intricacies of mentorship and self-acceptance, we also shine a light on Elon Musk's distinctive leadership style and its ripple effects on the corporate world. Is soaring high in professional success enough to fill emotional gaps? This conversation peels back the layers of human intentions in expressing care, contrasting different leadership approaches, and the profound influence personal connections can have on an organization's ethos. Join us for a candid discussion on love, empowerment, and the intertwining of personal responsibility with business innovation.
Wrapping up, we reflect on the broader questions of humanity's future, balancing terrestrial challenges with dreams of Mars colonization, and the complex relationship between personal struggles and professional drive. What does it mean to have stable love and how does it shape one’s approach to life’s grand ambitions? We ponder these themes and the power of intimate connection, suggesting that remarkable personal achievements could sometimes be a search for fulfillment in unconventional ways. Tune in to our profound exploration of embracing patience, understanding, and the continuous journey of self-discovery.
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Have a question? Ask us and we will discuss it during the next episode.
Have you ever caught yourself offering advice when no one asked for it? It's something we all do, but have you considered the impact it has on personal growth—both yours and the recipient's? Our latest episode delves into the delicate dance of personal responsibility, the importance of respecting individual growth stages, and the subtle ego play behind unsolicited advice. Through real-life stories and heartfelt reflections, we navigate the boundaries and autonomy essential in others' learning processes and how focusing on our own paths enriches not just self-improvement but our relationships as well.
As we wade through the intricacies of mentorship and self-acceptance, we also shine a light on Elon Musk's distinctive leadership style and its ripple effects on the corporate world. Is soaring high in professional success enough to fill emotional gaps? This conversation peels back the layers of human intentions in expressing care, contrasting different leadership approaches, and the profound influence personal connections can have on an organization's ethos. Join us for a candid discussion on love, empowerment, and the intertwining of personal responsibility with business innovation.
Wrapping up, we reflect on the broader questions of humanity's future, balancing terrestrial challenges with dreams of Mars colonization, and the complex relationship between personal struggles and professional drive. What does it mean to have stable love and how does it shape one’s approach to life’s grand ambitions? We ponder these themes and the power of intimate connection, suggesting that remarkable personal achievements could sometimes be a search for fulfillment in unconventional ways. Tune in to our profound exploration of embracing patience, understanding, and the continuous journey of self-discovery.
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On this week's episode. In the instances when we insert our unsolicited advice, it's actually an ego play, because we want to be heroes, because we have low self-esteem and we need to be important.
Mike:Empowerment is just like another way of saying like I take responsibility for the good, yeah, and I take responsibility for the bad, yeah. By not staying in your own lane, you offset, you delay that ability to take responsibility you offset, you delay that ability to take responsibility.
Phillip:Can you kind of tailor back a little bit, be less of an quote-unquote successful, like hero type person, and can you be more loving and do less and actually be more? Can you do this question All?
Eldar:right. So the question of today is how can we actually respect, right, everyone's development stage? Cheers, guys, cheers, yeah. And then I think that we can go into your, your, maybe, conclusion to staying in your own lane as well, right, because you said, everyone is in some kind of a process right in their life. Right, and a lot of times, maybe we don't see everything that's going on behind the scenes or what's going on with that person and stuff, right, so we maybe make an assumption that we want to bring them along with us on our journey of whatever it is that we've discovered.
Eldar:Maybe, something good, something bad or whatever. It is Right, but that person might not be able to understand where you're coming from at that time. Might not be able to keep up. Let's just say Right. Yeah, so yeah, I think staying in your lane is probably the answer to a lot of this, maybe acceptance of others and their processes, and your process as well within it. So how do you do it? How do you actually, I mean, just travel in this thing called life and be always cognizant of this thing, of this phenomenon?
Mike:So I think there's two parts of it and I think there are like separate. The one you mentioned is one part of the staying in your own lane, but also another part of it is like, when somebody is doing something, it's something we reference. A lot is like don't teach when not asked Right. That's also, in a way, staying in your own lane. Yeah, is like don't teach when not asked right. That's also in a way, staying in your own lane. Yeah, and I'm not sure, um, how connected those two things are.
Eldar:Yeah, but I think both are, you know, interesting and currently both I'm working, you know, working with them both okay, so track us back then and say what are some things that you suffer from, or how did you suffer when you didn't stay in your own lane? What are some things or pitfalls did you experience? And now you have this realization. Now you probably don't want to experience those things anymore, because you want to have more of a preventative care.
Mike:Preferably not.
Eldar:Yeah, preferably not, and I think you displayed that yesterday when we had the whole conversation about it.
Mike:Yeah Well, I think I can give examples for both. The most recent one was of the staying in your own lane when teach when not asked. Don't teach when not asked. Don't teach when you're not asked? Yeah, okay, that one I need to think about.
Eldar:Maybe you can expand on that a little bit. What do you mean by that that I know? Maybe in our circle we clearly understand what that is, I don't know. Phil, do you know that, saying that we always say don't teach when not asked?
Phillip:I've heard you say it, maybe a couple of times, but it's not something that I hear like often so do you know what we refer that to and like?
Eldar:why do we say say it the way we do?
Phillip:no, I think from the.
Mike:So do you know what we refer that to and why do we?
Phillip:say it the way we do? No, I think from the podcast, maybe months back, I think, we did talk about it before, but I don't remember it. Okay.
Eldar:Yeah, I think it's big, it is big yeah.
Mike:So don't teach when not asked, for example, one example of this is if some two people are having a conversation, for example, you know totally, comes to elder and starts having a conversation with him asking for his opinion or asking for his advice, for me to come in there, you know, with my thing and try to ham hog it when I'm not being invited, it could end up in a place where it's not very good, you know, for me Because I wasn't invited, right, to be a part of it. Or if Tully doesn't come to Eldar, he's just kind of doing ham-hog things, right, ham-hog things. You know what that means, right, being a being a pisser, a pigger, yeah, Like kind of being A pigger, yeah, being a pig. And then I come to him and be like yo don't do this or you're doing this wrong. He's not asking me to give him critique, he's not asking me for my help.
Mike:So when you, when you kind of teach when you're not asked, it creates it could create a conflict between two people and it most likely it won't lead to actually helping that person. If you want to help that person, right, the reason you're trying to teach is probably because you want to help, but there's a way to do it where you know the person may not be receptive and you're trying to like catch him off guard when he maybe just wants to vent. Or maybe he just uh, you know he doesn't, he doesn't really, he's just sharing, but he doesn't look, for he wants to hear himself speak. Or maybe he just you know he doesn't, he doesn't really, he's just sharing, but he doesn't look, for he wants to hear himself speak, or maybe he wants to hear himself speak.
Mike:Yeah, he's not necessarily saying like, hey, I'm in pain. It could be just that. It could be just, hey, I'm in pain. And I just wanted to tell you. He's not saying hey, I'm in pain, can you help me relieve the pain? You know, you know, and a lot of times when we're in conversation, and especially for me, when I hear somebody who's in pain, my initial response is like, okay, I want to help this person, because I mean, I think that's what people, as people, we always want to help each other. Right, it's a natural thing, but maybe we could talk about that. Why, yeah, that's? That's a good question too, why that's a good question too, why?
Phillip:yeah, like I think when we talk to each other in this space, um, when anybody's talking, I think my interpretation or my idea of it is that there's kind of free range to kind of step in, like at any time, because we're all on the understanding of, we're on a certain type of growth trajectory, growth hormone, yeah, so when somebody's talking, for instance, I think what I was used to say before I met you guys would be somebody would be more literal in the sense of an example would be if somebody is talking to somebody else, somebody would then chime in and be like hey, I think you should be doing this and offer advice In this circle. What I see is that a question is posed to that person to then have them put it back on them, to have them actually question it, and then, based off of their response, you can kind of see where they're at, if they are open to it or not, and that person who's asking the questions would then be able to gauge hey, where can I take this? And then you know, should we dive into it more or should I just leave it alone and back off? So now that I'm used to being asked questions versus just getting told something. I feel like at first I didn't know what was happening, if you guys remember, like I didn't know what was real or not and I didn't know when you guys were joking or not. Now I kind of figured out like the cadence of like OK, we're asking questions. There is kind of like a humorous tone to it, but there is also like a seriousness to it to kind of gauge where that person's at. So to me, in this circle it's more of a game and it's fun, but there is lessons in it and you can learn. Outside of this circle I don't really use those that much. Now I did talk to you about this and you said that you utilize this with other people, like your parents and other people. This, and you said that you utilize this with other people, like your parents and other people, because to me you're more advanced and I guess the way that I think about it is that we were talking about in the beginning of this podcast.
Phillip:When we were mentioning acceptance, what came to my head was that are you, is acceptance the same kind of thing as like love? Do you have to first love yourself before you can love somebody else? Do you have to first accept like yourself or like, I guess, your situation or your life, before you can accept someone else, right? So, like, as I'm thinking about these things, I'm thinking about that and somebody in that conversation may not be able to fully accept what's going on because they haven't accepted where they're at in their life or what's going on, so they can't accept it from somebody else. So do you think that that is accurate? Where, if you can't do it for yourself I think love is the example that's usually used like if you don't love yourself, you can't love anybody else. Do you think acceptance and like all these other, um, I guess virtues, have that same place? I think so, yeah.
Eldar:I think so, because you hit it spot on.
Phillip:Yeah, because then the example would reign true of when I'm telling you I didn't know in the beginning, I didn't accept my situation and totally was calling me arrogant, right.
Eldar:Yeah.
Phillip:And he was saying that I was thinking that I was somewhere else or I was a certain place, like in sales, right, I thought I was ahead. Now we're talking almost a year in, and now I'm sitting down and saying, hey, I'm taking like a couple of months and I'm just going to learn from, from totally. You know like it took almost a year of saying hey, now I'm accepting it. I didn't accept it before and he kept trying to like help. I wasn't accepting of it.
Phillip:And now I'm accepting of it. And now I'm accepting of it, yeah, because now I'm accepting my situation and my mindset towards something was wrong. And that's when we were talking to Kat last week and you have to say, hey, am I an idiot? Yeah, like you have to accept. You have to say like, hey, everything I did up to this point was wrong. I take full responsibility for it. And now what can I do different? To change course. To change course and actually accept new advice and then have a new mindset towards whatever I'm doing.
Eldar:So I think this is where it fits really well. I mean, you said it perfectly right. Before you were arrogantly let's just say under assumption that you knew, yeah, and now you put that down and now you're more receptive and you're asking more questions like, okay, I'd like to help, I'd like to get some help, yeah, and now people actually can help you because you're not receptive, right? So I think that, to expand on what Mike was saying regarding don't give advice when it's not asked of you, right, the big thing there is receptiveness, right? I think if, when we give advice to when people are not ready to receive it, nothing's going to come out of it, and a lot of times, what's going to happen is you might butt heads because you know you're going to tell them completely the opposite. They're not ready to hear this and they're going to fight you, especially if you interject into a conversation where there's two people speaking and then you're butting yourself in with your advice.
Phillip:So is asking questions? The remedy, instead of telling, is asking questions, and then you're in the position of gauging that person's reaction. Well look.
Eldar:I think that asking very specific questions around what is being said or going on is actually a sign of the individual having self-respect, right? Because they're really not sure. Or if they are sure they want to make things clear because they're not willing to be in, if they are sure they want to make things clear because they're not willing to be in an assumption world, the person asking Correct, yeah, okay, that person is more in tune, let's just say, and understands what's going on. So he's asking almost rhetorical questions or using a Socratic method to lead to a specific place in order to confusion not to take over, right? You understand how I see that. That's how I just realized that the individual who has the ability to ask the question, especially the right questions, in order to lead people out of confusion, is a person that have self-respect for themselves because they're not willing to be to take information right, a statement or whatever and just kind of like agree with it, like okay, well, no, wait a second, like I actually don't understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it. Can you elaborate on this? What do you think about this? What do you think about that?
Eldar:Next thing, you know you open up a conversation through questioning and that person might change their mind, might realize that their original statement is not actually living up to truth. Yeah, so so I think this is big, all right, and it all stems from not teaching when not asked, because there's no receptiveness and you might actually just do cause a rift. Yeah, how did you finally come to this conclusion, mike? And like you, finally, I guess maybe displaying, I saw conclusion, mike, and like you, finally, I guess maybe displaying, I saw it, mike. I tried to drag you into the conversation yesterday and I wasn't able to. I mean, I did a little bit. You did throw some jokes, which was nice.
Mike:Which ones.
Eldar:Well, we were talking to Tully about Catherine's situation, about him inviting himself and doing the barbecue at my house versus his.
Phillip:Oh yeah, we're on the couch. Yeah, uh, inviting himself and doing the the barbecue at my house versus his. Oh yeah, we're on the couch. Yeah, I was surprised that mike didn't jump in more.
Eldar:He gave like he was throwing some jabs, but very small.
Phillip:Usually he's a lot more vocal, yeah you know, like during, like a, like a sitcom, you have like a guest star that like pokes his head in every time, like every like so so often yeah he did give a couple of good jabs, yeah, but I was surprised that he wasn't more in it, because all these examples were things that I was remembering through Mike.
Eldar:Because Mike complained about them a long time ago.
Phillip:Yeah, so to me, Mike's like yesterday, there was a lot of justice for Mike yesterday.
Eldar:Yeah, and it's funny how that worked Through Catherine. Yeah, through Catherine, through something else completely different, where Mike was asking for justice for a long time. Yeah, right, and we're constantly trying to tweak and adjust of how Mike responds to these things because he doesn't want these specific things to affect him. We just talked about this, remember, and I was like watch Mike, you might not even know that the situation might rise where you will see adjustment or a test. You know what I mean. Remember this, I said this to you. Yeah, I know.
Mike:We were driving to the gym.
Eldar:Yeah, we were going to the gym and then, boom, you know, it actually happened where. It's a perfect example of where you know it was about what he was talking about a lot of the times, but it came out in such a way where he saw justice, he saw how unveiled itself, he practiced self-control, he was standing in his own lane, you know, and I think it was a very good educational moment For you, for me. I saw that, you know that, like, oh wow, self-control is being practiced here and I'm glad that you were enjoying it actually.
Mike:Yeah, but to me it wasn't like it wasn't actually even self-control Really, it was something like beyond that really yeah, so what was it?
Eldar:um? What would you call that? Or how do you, how would you describe it? I?
Mike:would say that I saw what was happening uh-huh justice was being, you know, yeah, done, yeah, and it's like I don't, I don't need to say anything. So I wasn't trying to self-control myself as like, oh, there's nothing I could add or say or do, okay, because the the righteousness was happening, okay. So to me it was more just like just watching it and enjoying it. Okay, you know well, yeah, yeah, I didn't need to add like more, like dirt on his head or like you know, yeah, because you could have.
Eldar:I mean, like if I needed to pull evidence, I could have put a lot of evidence.
Mike:Obviously you know what I mean. Um, but yeah, like it was a part of it was self-control, but mostly it felt like I felt like it was self-control on your part, like usually you would, you know, add the fuel to the fire and a lot of times what would happen is that right?
Eldar:because I didn't have a horse in a race? I was fighting for katherine, right in that moment. Yeah, um, he didn't have a reason to be mad at me. He wasn't really fighting a person who can, who can, who can't hold, who really can't hold their own right in.
Eldar:Catherine, right, sometimes you get a little too heated, right? So the emotional thing was removed from the conversation. It was very logical and I think that's why he was feeling the way he was feeling, right, right, he was getting the lesson that he needed to get to see himself as to why this is happening in the first place.
Phillip:I like when Mike was taking jabs, so I liked it. I thought it was funny, catherine.
Eldar:I appreciate a lot of your questions or your reactions, the way you make it in your face. I just saw the video, she was like yo, philip, is crazy. But there were times when you also, like when I made a statement so totally based on this, going forward, like we're just not going to include katherine anymore some of these barbecue plans, we'll make sure the structure in such a way where she's not available oh yeah, it feels like his face was like.
Mike:He's like are you being serious?
Eldar:what the fuck you're like. Why are we gonna exclude katherine?
Mike:like you felt bad for her. Yeah, I didn't like it he didn't like, he's like.
Eldar:I was like oh, oh shit. I don't think Philip understands that I'm actually fucking around here, and making an outlandish stupid hypothetical, so it was very fun to watch.
Mike:She loved it.
Eldar:She was like oh look, philip, sometimes you meet a happy face, a sad face. It was funny, yeah, you know. But yeah, I think this is a good example of that.
Mike:I think that maybe it wasn't self-control like I didn't intentionally go to have self-control, but what? What made you? But I think maybe through all the stuff we've been talking about, yeah, kind of just naturally happened. See, I don't want to go with the natural part.
Eldar:I don't like the natural, no no, I'm not saying naturally.
Mike:I'm saying more of like a second nature. Like I already picked where I'm going to stand, okay, and I didn't need to think about it, so it was intentional. It was intentional but, already natural.
Eldar:Wow, well, I mean, I don't know. You better calm down over there.
Mike:Listen, calm down, young man. You know what I mean. Look at this arrogant guy and the arrogant Andy. If it was second nature, but like yeah, uh well listen.
Eldar:If it felt like second nature, that's a good thing, that's a compliment to yourself, you know what I mean part of it.
Mike:Like I said I'm already I definitely been making a big effort into staying my own lane because I understand how, especially with totally it could get me in trouble yeah, you know, yeah, the recent events.
Mike:So I think I already, maybe subconsciously you know, especially in that thing, because it wasn't just very simple, it was like I wasn't involved in it, but justice was being done on my behalf as well. Yeah, so I didn't feel like I needed to say anything and then also, I guess part of me not needing to say anything, I didn't have to.
Eldar:Yeah, okay, so that's fair, that's fair.
Eldar:You did say some stuff which was good, yeah, a little, yeah, but I didn't, like you know, kind of like, uh, go in, or yeah, you know, yeah, any more than I could have. So I think this all goes back to, um, the other question that you pose, mike, is that why we, as humans, um have this thing or this need to insert ourselves in places where we think that we can help others? Right, like hey, like you know, take my advice, like, hey, you're not seeing something? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, why, yeah, why do you think that is? Why are we not staying in our own lane? Why do we have to always interject?
Mike:So the thing is the reason we do it it's very natural. Okay, right, is the reason we do it? It's very natural. Okay, right, explain to me. Why is it so natural? Well, you know my theory. It's the move, my theory. Is that the reason why we do it? Uh-huh, you said natural. It's natural. I'll explain to you, okay, uh, my belief is natural, is not necessarily always good.
Phillip:In this case it's good, okay, whoa well, because he's In this case, it's good, okay, whoa Well, because he's trusting the instinct.
Eldar:No, whoa. Well, now my ear is a perk my belief system?
Mike:Okay, tell me, and I think your belief system as well, no, go ahead. No, okay, don't speak for me. Yeah, that's why I didn't speak for, said I think okay, cool, good, I think yeah, all right, I'll explain my take and you'll tell me yours well, okay.
Mike:So my, my thing around this is that, ultimately, we want to be happy, we want to love, right, okay.
Mike:We want to see the people around us and we want to extend love and compassion towards them, okay, and I think that's a very natural thing. I think it's programmed within us to want to love, to love and be loved, right, okay. That's where I'm going with the natural and the but the problem is we're imperfect, or maybe we are perfect humans and we are flawed and we, even though we all want love, we don't know how to get there the right way. Okay, and I think that's why the intention, right, you know, to extend compassion to our friend, you know, is good. To show love to our friend is good, okay, but because we're flawed, because we don't have enough education or knowledge of how to do it and what needs to be applied in that certain uh, situation, we have those pitfalls, we have those issues, so we kind of shooting above our pay grade, but we don't know that, okay is that your final answer yeah okay, phil, you'll be the judge.
Eldar:Here's mine. You heard his. I actually think that, yes, I agree with him that, being social creatures and humans, we have a natural inclination to be loving and caring. However right, this is my butt In the instances when we insert our unsolicited advice, it's actually an ego play, because we want to be heroes, because we have low self-esteem and we need to be important, and that is not natural, nor is it good. That's my take. Well, the natural part was the first part. I get it, but the second part is not natural, nor is it good. That's my take.
Mike:Well, the natural part was the first part.
Eldar:I get it, yeah, but the second part is also natural. The natural part might be driving us, but, like I said, you used the word our intention is to help. I'm going to tell you that I don't think that our intention is to actually help. Our intention is to actually boost ourselves because we have low self-esteem and we want to feel like we're important and we want to use the quote-unquote help or save someone to solidify to ourselves that we're good people and solidify to the world and be seen as good people as well.
Mike:But yeah, I agree with you, but that is again. That is not like. That is a sickness.
Eldar:Well, mike, I think that. I think that giving unsolicited advice is a is a type of absolutely. But I'm saying the natural thing is is as a human, human thing is to love right, but but if it is natural, then why is it not very calculated and specific to love itself? Because what we're describing right now is not love.
Mike:It's definitely not. But I think that's where the human imperfection comes in, is that our initial thought is we want to help people, right, but then our actual true nature comes out, which is flawed, and then we act out of what we act.
Eldar:See, I can't buy that, I can't see the connection there. I see a very specific rift and disconnect that if we actually wanted to help and if we actually wanted to apply love, we need to understand love.
Mike:I understand that. I agree with you 100%.
Phillip:What you described.
Mike:I agree with it, for sure, I agree, you're right Philip.
Phillip:Yeah, so it goes back to the example of there's two different people. There's the person that's going to be flawed, that is going to say something for the reason that you pointed out. So the example would be if there is an argument or there is two people talking, the one person that is giving unsolicited advice and just starts talking and saying, hey, you should be doing this, you should be doing this and this and this and this, right, like a parent or a friend or whoever right. That is an ego play. There is a hero complex built within that and I think when you see that, it's very easy to label that person and realize that they are not coming from a good place. They don't truly want to help you get better. They don't truly want to help you get better. They don't have a horse in your race, they just want to be heard and they want to be seen on their end.
Eldar:But I'm telling you right now that a lot of people can't have a distinction between the two. They only see they're like, oh shit, like they're being masked as like these good people. They're not good people.
Phillip:Yeah, but you have to be an idiot to see that.
Eldar:No, no, I think a lot of people get tricked this way I think a lot of people say hey, like I appreciate you, I love you, you care for me and stuff like that.
Phillip:No, yeah, but that person doesn't love themselves, so they don't know. So they're far gone no so so. So it's a very mutual kind of relationship.
Phillip:That person deserves that person's unsolicited advice you don't think so, because my other example would be the other person who has respect for himself. He's going to start asking questions, gauge where you're at, and if you're not ready, he's not going to then say, or she's not going to say anything to that person or they'll back off and maybe, uh, they realize that this is, this is, this is far gone. It's far gone. But if that person does respect themselves, then I think you can enter into that place, that that, that that place that Mike was talking about, where that person generally does want to help.
Phillip:Because if that person is asking questions and they're coming from that place of hey, I have self-respect for myself, I respect the situation, I want to understand more where this person's coming from. Now I see that they're receptive. Now it's like okay, now we can start to have a real dialogue and I think within that dialogue then you can start to bring in factors of people do want to come and show you love and they do want to actually care for you. Because in that relationship there's respect and there's like that, the real essence of like to me like a real connection. It's not surface level and there's no ego or like hero complex involved in that.
Eldar:Okay, so what would you advise to the people that are down on their luck? Right? That are down on their luck Looking for help, and then they get unsolicited advice and all this other advice. Right, how do they weed out the weeds and get to the cream of the crop of? When it comes to advice?
Phillip:No, but I don't think that's. How much pain can you take? And then like it's how many self-help books? How many times do you have to realize that when you go outside of yourself, it's only to come back and empower?
Eldar:you Okay. So then you would say that the person that brings you back to you is the right advice.
Phillip:Yeah, Like whatever person brings you back to you, the person that's going to keep having you buy things, take things outside of you if they're not pointing you back within and they're not trying to show you your inner strength.
Phillip:I think that's a very Now. There may be other examples that I'm not aware of, but just a general, blanket statement. If there is something where you have to purchase, you have to go outside of yourself with an idea or a thought or be reliant on, let's say, a therapist or somebody else long-term, and that's the solution. I think that's a very good indicator that that person is coming from that hero complex, and it's not a genuine conversation of wanting to truly help you. Okay, mike.
Mike:Yeah, I mean to add to what Phil was saying before you asked that question. I think those words that I was using and that we were using to different people at different stages in their lives and different development stages in their lives, they'll mean different things, right, yeah, you know, like saying love, yeah, in their lives, and different development stages in their lives don't mean different things, right?
Eldar:yeah, you know, but yeah, but again, I think the individual mike that really really cares that you're talking about, if we're let's just say that we're talking about a person who really cares and really has love for you, right, um, I think that person speaks to your inner essence more than anything else, has the ability to speak to what he talked about as, like, that inner you.
Mike:But it's not that then you're not speaking, you're asking questions.
Eldar:So there you go.
Mike:Because you would like to recollect.
Eldar:Yes.
Mike:Help the person remember.
Eldar:So again we come back to fucking.
Mike:Socrates.
Eldar:Exactly this guy is he was good to help the person. Remember. Say it again, we're coming back to fucking Socrates. Exactly this guy is he was good, bro, he was good, he was good. Every time I try to outthink him, I can't, I cannot. No, you know what I mean he was good.
Phillip:Yeah, I don't know a lot of his quotes and stuff, but I know them know through you.
Eldar:Yeah, like he was all about asking questions. Asking as many questions as possible, yeah, to have your soul recollect and get the knowledge that it needs and that it already has. He thought right in order to point out that you have that essence that you talk about, yeah, that we actually, as human beings, have that essence.
Phillip:think about how many people are trying to talk to you in a way where You're lower than them.
Mike:They're above you right, they're talking down to you but you don't know.
Phillip:they're talking down to you and then they're talking in a way where it's by design, where you're looking up to them and then you have to be reliant on them. We're talking right now not to get political.
Phillip:But we're talking about politics, right, without getting political. A political leader by that very nature. When they're in debates they're trying to tactically relate to you, but it's very superficial. But in that sense they're saying something that's trying to get you to look at them in a very, very highlight and put them on a pedestal. That's right. So then you have to be fully reliant on them, or fully reliant on the government or a company or a product, whatever it may be. But when you start to talk like that, it becomes tactical. And that person I'd question like if that person knows what they're talking about.
Phillip:That's even scarier, because if that person's, if that person's an idiot and they just want power and they don't really know the dynamic of what they're causing and they're just like, uh oh, I want to get rich, I want to be famous. If you're smart enough or I don't even know what you want to call it, clever enough is probably the more proper term to know that you're um consciously deceiving somebody else. I think the next step is like you're a evil, like that's evil is like part of your being, do you?
Eldar:agree with that or not? Are you talking about a psycho?
Phillip:Yeah, I'm talking about somebody consciously aware of manipulating somebody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because most people that I think that I've come across are just sleeping at the wheel.
Phillip:And they're just trying to get attention or sucking your energy out, because if you're a young person they're older. Okay, if you're a boss and you're an employee and you look down, you're like, okay, I'm going to try to get as many resources that I can out of this person and just kind of exploit them in a way. Those are to me more the dynamics that I've come across. I haven't come across, at least, that I'm aware of pure evil, but I look back at dictators and things like that of the Hitler-type persona where they're blatantly going out they're clearly not dumb like of some intelligence and using it for bad Like. That's scary to me and that exists in the world for sure. You don't think that exists Pure evil.
Eldar:I don't think evil exists. No, you don't think so no. I don't think so.
Phillip:Do you think those people don't know what they're doing?
Eldar:Well, socrates says that no one knowingly does wrong. Really so okay. So if you are doing no like there's no, it's impossible, okay. So you've justified whatever actions that you're doing, and a lot of times it's like you have to be a like a psychotic individual to be able to commit those types of things.
Phillip:So that person created a heinous act or an evil act and they believed it.
Mike:They justified it so in that justification.
Phillip:There is actually no consciousness attached to that. That's correct. So it's separate. Yeah, so you're saying as intelligent as one can be perceived, I'm still looking at that person, as they're actually asleep at the wheel also, that's right.
Eldar:A hundred percent? Okay, they actually don't know. Okay, I mean, when you wipe out millions of people, you know what I mean you target specific individuals, right, like well, think about that. Right, yeah, like that's why wars are wars. Right, like it's a crazy thing. Like one country decided to invade another country, kill all the people in this country and take over all their shit. Like, think about that, for what justifications do you have to have or create in your mind in order to justify this and not value human life? Right? How far gone do you have to have or create in your mind in order to justify this and not value human life? Right? How far gone do you have to be in order to not say that every life is actually precious? And I cannot right go through this process?
Phillip:Okay. So let's stick with that example. So let's say that particular person, let's say one part of them is like diabolical, where they are coming up with these plans and these justifications and they are saying, hey, we're going to take care of all these people, we're going to rid all these people so I can have power and land. Do you think it's possible for that person to also have, like, say, their personal life, a loving and caring relationship?
Eldar:100%, do you?
Phillip:think that they can have two split type personalities and belief systems on different things in life.
Eldar:But I'm going to tell you one thing they can have that loving relationship on that thing, but it will only be very limited. It'll never get to a point of, I would say, a godly-like experience and I'm talking about like true, pure love in that example, meaning they can be caring for their kids, they have my feelings for them and stuff like that but they can't be next level with them, right, or their partner. They can't be next level connected to them, right.
Phillip:So in those examples you think that somebody can like have a wife, have a relationship. It'd be actually functional Like functional would be a proper word.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, and I think a lot of people are just functional. Yeah, they're just functional. I mean, if a lot of people took philosophy or did philosophy and start asking questions, I think a lot of people will end their relationships right away. I think that's what happened, probably during pandemic right, when a lot of people are like wait a second, what am I doing here? I'm ending my relationship with this person because I can't stand them. I'm ending my relationship with my job because I can't stand it. Why people start reflecting, people start thinking right. It takes time to finally sit down with yourself and ask questions and then you come to find out like wait a second, what am I doing here? Am I really happy?
Phillip:You know, and they quickly find out that it's actually not the case. Yeah, yeah, I guess when I look at somebody, I guess, without examining it, I'm under the assumption of okay, that person is a certain way through work with their belief system and they're going to carry that at home also, like that would just be to me like a natural progression. But for them to have like two different um, I guess belief systems or a different, quality of life.
Eldar:You would hope, you would hope that they do, but a lot of people don't. They actually do separate. They do separate identities, yeah, 100, 100.
Phillip:They do separate identities, yeah to me like that would almost be harder to keep up 100. That's why a lot of people are stressed me like that would almost be harder to keep up 100%.
Eldar:That's why a lot of people are stressed out. Yeah, that's why I come to work. I feel good. Yeah, I feel this is my second home.
Phillip:Yeah, I feel good too, like like you guys allow me to have like my, my true personality, where I'm like silly and like make voices and be an idiot and walk around like comfortable. There, in another job, people have a work voice. Sometimes I even have it on the phone and I'm comfortable here.
Eldar:HR pressed you remember For being yourself.
Phillip:Yeah, hr pressed me, being polite to somebody, to have that voice. It's a known thing. It's a corporate voice, 100%. People go to work and they have to turn on a certain level of a pitch or a tone because they think that they have to come across a certain way. I still do this on the phone. We're still trying to get rid of this for me. That's why you have a problem?
Eldar:I do have a problem. That's why you're not a producing fucking employee yet you know what?
Eldar:I'm saying, yeah, I know and I realize that you need to be right now, like I said, everything around you needs to be so good that you can finally you know what I mean put on your mind instead of being in the flight and fight mode. Yeah, you've been in the flight and fight mode all your life. Yeah, you cannot calm down. I'm a scared cub. You are, yeah, you are. Yeah, you don't know what's going on. You know what I mean. That's why you act the way you do on the phones. You know what I mean the day do and you realize finally, like, wait a second, why am I scared? Yeah, you're gonna have genuine conversations, like we're having one right now.
Eldar:Yeah, I'm okay I always I told you, I told you this last podcast, right, I don't think you were here. I wholeheartedly believe when you guys have your thinking caps on, nobody can touch you. There's no podcast out there that's better than this podcast. There's no panel better than our panel. I for some reason believe this wholeheartedly. You know what I mean.
Eldar:Like when philip is on, he's fucking on like he's funny, he's witty, he's challenging, he's everything. Same thing for you. Like when you're on like holy shit, are you kidding me guys? Like, yeah, content wise, nobody touches this, nobody. But then you have the stressors and you have your stressors right pressures. You have your stressors, right Pressures, where you steam girls, hot girls, a certain type of way, where there's my friend, mike is nowhere to be found. You know the motherfucker that can run circles around people's words and shit like that by making jokes and being fun. Or Phillip, who can analytically break everything down. He gets on the phone, he's a fucking I don't know who the fuck this person is. Yeah, you guys have bipolar. Yeah, it's like weird, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. You know what I mean. So the whole thing is to be able to marry the two and be your consistent self all the time.
Mike:I think it goes back to what Phil was saying earlier, which was very good. Yeah, I mean, I guess I never thought about it that way, but it's obviously. It's logical. Yeah, if you can't love yourself, how can you love somebody else If you can't accept yourself? Yeah, all the virtues, if you can't do them to yourself, how do you expect to apply them to the outside?
Eldar:world.
Mike:No chance, yeah, and I think it's obviously.
Eldar:It's very like holy shit, that's that's a crazy thing, but but I never thought about it in like that big scheme.
Mike:Obviously I knew the like, the love, the concept. I understand the love thing. But I then also never thought about all the other things, all the other virtues.
Phillip:You have to apply them to yourself yeah, so think of acceptance, right, so let's say it's acceptance. I think the other thing too is that, like um, once you uh say like okay, I accept it, and oh, I have it. And then you're like, wait, this is a whole process. Now that I'm like, okay, I accept it and I'm realizing that just because I accept it, I'm still an idiot on the phone and I'm open to learning and I'm realizing as a 38 year old some people are maybe in their teens or twenties.
Phillip:You have to then say, okay, I'm accepting it and I realized I did all this, but it just doesn't become undone. So then you have to say, okay, now I'm open to the help, now I have to be committed, a good student Committed to this, for however long it's going to take. Now, to me there's no actual timeframe based off of who you are as an individual, how many years that you've been doing the wrong thing. Yeah, like, how do you, you know, diagnose that and then give like a treatment, like schedule with a timeline on it.
Phillip:I think, it's almost nearly impossible, yes, to say how long that thing is going to take with your consistent energy and effort in the right circle. It's almost like how many things have to line up in order for this to happen. And you're like, whoa, holy shit, what I'm up against, like, what are you up against and what? But? But again, if you admit that you created this for yourself, I believe like, uh, not to be like a okay, universal, give it to you. Uh, like, talk like that, give it to him.
Phillip:But but I think, based off of me wanting it, I did create a scenario where I I put myself in a position where I can have this in this environment. Yeah, now I realize that I can do this here, now I'm able to do things I like outside of work and inside of work, yeah, but I also realized that it's it's you think that thing, you accept it. And now I'm looking at it with totally the way I talked to you and Mike and I'm realizing that this is like months and years versus like hours and days, correct.
Eldar:You have a more realistic expectation, but that can be.
Phillip:I guess it's humbling, but also it can be overwhelming it could be overwhelming.
Phillip:Yeah, because then you have to basically say, when you're saying, you're an idiot, that's for all the past stuff, but are you anticipating how much work that you have to do to be yourself from now until, like, that future person that, like you're going to actually fully accept, kicks in? Yeah, like, what does that look like? Like that's where I'm at now and now. I'm talking about it out loud, but thinking about how much you're going to put into it. If you don't like the day to day, I think it's almost impossible for you to achieve that, because you're going to put into it. If you don't like the day-to-day, I think it's almost impossible for you to achieve that, because you're going to be then fighting the day and then fighting that time and I don't think it happens. That's it Right, that's it yeah.
Eldar:It doesn't?
Phillip:Yeah, so liking your environment and the people that you're with and then trusting them. Once you establish that, then you're like, wait, I still actually have to do the work myself also. 100%.
Eldar:Yeah, this is why I said this on X. I tweeted this Setting timelines for personal development is a display of arrogance, oh yeah.
Phillip:Yeah, because how do I know? Even if you told me and I took you for your word, right, and I was like, okay, ever since you were 12, you thought this way. Now you're 38, right, and now you accepted this path, you realized you were wrong. How do you quantify X amount of years in between when you started till now, when you want to grow, what you're doing on a day-to-day? It's like, how do you customize this type of plan for you and me, right? If we're on similar paths? Maybe yours only takes three years, maybe mine takes 10.
Eldar:Yeah, what is your makeup for it to make 10?
Phillip:But yeah, putting a finite number of years and then all of a sudden, what? At the three-year mark, you're like you're cured. Yeah, you can just go on autopilot.
Eldar:Yeah, I think that's wild, that is wild, that is wild and you shouldn't do it. Yeah, you should not. That's why I think that again we're going back to Socrates, who fucking it seems like he fucking checked all the boxes. He said he used the thing of, of protecting himself from this exact thing. He said I know that I know nothing. That's an infinite fucking thing. That's a lifelong journey, so it keeps so.
Phillip:It keeps you in a position where you actually transform from somebody who something happened to being the victim to. I'm always going to be open to learning and I'm never going to put myself in a position where I'm not open to something else, to something else Correct, like if you don't know anything, you can never be the person that's pointing the finger and saying, why don't you learn this? Or oh, something happened to me, that's right. If something's wrong, I'm going to be open to hearing your opinion, because I realized that maybe I don't know, and that's the only way you can actually learn.
Eldar:There's no saying you don't know. That's right. And that's again going back to our topic of staying in your own lane. This is your own lane, I don't know. Correct, that's it. That's the lane. That's a liberating thing. It could be, at least For some.
Phillip:But how many times when you're growing up, especially in school, where, like when you're in a school setting being educated by a teacher, saying that you don't know can be very humiliating, 100%. So if somebody said you're stupid or you don't know whether you're playing a sport, maybe it's like a. I remember there was plays that we started to run in basketball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't remember the plays. Oh, me too, bro, oh bro.
Eldar:I was playing AAU basketball. They wanted you to remember 4 or 5 fucking plays. I was like what the fuck it was crazy.
Phillip:I remember I was in AAU basketball St Michael's in, like Union City. My parents were driving me there and, for whatever reason, I didn't want to tell my parents that I didn't want to do it. They had this idea that I liked it and if I said no, they would be like, wait, why don't you? And I'm like, if I just said I didn't want to do it, it would have been so easy to then just find something else that I like. But then I created this world like that I was doing this thing.
Phillip:I had to keep this kind of image up for myself, for people, that like they thought I played basketball. Right, we start to do plays and we start to do picks and I was in the number four or five spot. You know like one, two, three, four, five. And I had to remember like maybe one or two number like spots, like the small forward in the center or whatever, for multiple plays. And I just remember like he started to grab me by my jersey and like, like he was like intense guy. Just remember like being like yo, why the fuck am I even here? Like, why am I putting myself through?
Eldar:the thing that I don't even want to be at.
Phillip:Yeah, and now I'm looking back at it now and I'm realizing you get violated, but because I didn't want to be there. I understand that. I understand why I wasn't remembering. Also because when I was there, if I'm not there you're not going to be a sponge. You're not going to be I wasn't open and receptive, that's right.
Phillip:He was trying to jam something down my throat that I didn't want to be there, and you know what his level of anger. It was probably almost justified. To a sense he could have realized that I shouldn't have been there and he should have probably kicked me off the team. He should have been. Hey, your head and your heart's not here. This is a team where people want to actually compete. It's not just a rec league. If your heart's not in it, we should tell your parents that you shouldn't be here. If he was a great coach, he was very good, but I think a great human at that point would have recognized that and would have just been like yo, phillip, listen, I don't think you want to be here.
Eldar:Well, no, I think that he might have not realized that the difference between a skill playing basketball is different than fucking skill of learning and memorizing fucking plays. You understand, yeah, guys, what are we talking about? Yeah, those fucking plays that say, number four goes to this shit, makes a pick, cuts through, goes here. Yes, yes, it's a memory fucking thing and my memory was shot too, bro. I could only probably hold one or two plays max, same, you understand, same. But there were like four or five, or this X, this. I'm like yo, I'm overwhelmed, I don't understand what the fuck's going on Four or five, bro.
Phillip:We had like 15 or 20. That's wild, Though. There would be different point guards and then the point guard would have different plays.
Mike:He would call.
Phillip:Yeah, offense. So what would happen is you would have fast break plays and then you would have defensive plays also.
Eldar:So just think if you were on a fast break For everything you have to fucking Like a robot, oh my God.
Phillip:So then I'm thinking to myself I'm like yo, I'm in my head and I don't want to be there.
Eldar:I'm in my head and I'm like yo.
Phillip:They put the Julia Shackles on him no-transcript and I'm fully, like fully, present in the class and when something's happening, like I'm paying attention and I like, if there's some kind of memorization like we had to create a haiku, it's like a poem, like a 17 syllable or some kind of poem. I said it, I wrote my own and I and I memorized it and then during the class you had to kind of recite it in different exercises. I had no problems doing this.
Phillip:Yeah, because I was immersed and I wanted to be there and I wanted to learn I was OK being embarrassed, that's right. When I was embarrassed in the other situation, I took it so personally and I got down on myself, but it was because I realized that I didn't like that thing, but I wasn't being honest with myself.
Phillip:You violated yourself. I violated myself. That's right. So you were a little kid, but it's a good example of whether you're young or old, if you violate yourself, everything that you get is deserved. That's right, it makes sense. Violate yourself everything that you get is deserved. That's right, it makes sense. A hundred percent, I agree. Yeah, yeah, so I was. I could have been more of a like a, like a. I probably was a victim where I went home and I was like I feel bad for myself. You know, I don't like this. I don't want to tell my parents I wasn't being honest with myself. Yeah, Wasn't being honest with my parents. I let it drag on and I and I let that. Whatever that mindset was, was that like it's okay for other people to treat you like this and it's okay for me to treat myself like this. And I carried that to other things. Bro, I quit.
Eldar:There you go. I made the team like. You know this. I know this. Yeah, yeah, I made the team. And after first practice, the, the way I was treated in practice, I quit. And you love basketball?
Phillip:I love basketball bro, I didn't love basketball.
Eldar:You understand this. I love basketball and I quit the team because I did not fit in and I felt it and I knew it and it was impossible for me to continue, but you had self respect for yourself in that moment, right. I don't know what I had. I was also a kid. Obviously I was 17, probably.
Phillip:Oh this is a high school team.
Mike:This is a high school team.
Eldar:yeah, oh shit, you know I was the best one on the fucking team. Obviously you know what I mean. But the way they made me feel like I did not belong and I was like yo, this is not for me, wow.
Phillip:I could not be myself. So why are you saying you don't know?
Eldar:what that was, whatever inside, I mean, I guess it was, but maybe I got mad, you know. Maybe it was anger, yeah, but it was appropriate where I was like I don't want this, this is not for me, I'm not going to be understood, I'm not going to be able to play the way I play, you know. So I was like yo.
Eldar:I'm somehow through whatever it is that I had in that moment, because right now I can stand up for myself as an adult. Obviously you know what I mean. I have the knowledge, but back then as a kid, I don't know, I don't remember why I was like so off put. I mean, I do remember why I was so off put, but I was like that was the decision and I'm done, I quit the team. I mean, I went for a fucking dunk. He made me do 20 pushups and we don't do that around here. I said what?
Phillip:You know, yeah, he tried to put you in like a military mode.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, that's what that was. Yeah, I was like, oh shit. Yeah, I was like, oh shit, I'm trying to have fun. That was installed in us, bro, me and Mike, you, we didn't take high school seriously. It's having fun. Yeah, we're having fun. We're smoking cigarettes. We're fucking talking shit. We fell in classes. We're cheating in class. You know what I mean? Yeah, we were having fun. You know joyriding my car without license. You know that? Fucking Lincoln, that was fucking bouncy. You know we were just having fun and anything outside of that structure and fucking like this. What you're talking about. Grab you by the shirt like yo. This is, we don't do that around here. We do this. Fuck that Like that gave us the ick.
Phillip:Because some people will look at that and parents will be like yo, there's like that discipline that he's giving. Yo, I respect that guy. Like he's doing this to my son. Like if I looked at this now and I had a kid and I'm looking at it, I'm like yo, first off, none of this shit's flying. This shit's fun. Yeah, If we're not having fun, get the fuck out of here. This is fun. Yeah, exactly, Even if you're a professional basketball, I would argue that if the team is not having fun, then they can't vibe.
Phillip:It's done. I don't care to me if you're in an organization professionally, whether it's sports, whether it's a business, whether you're doing something entertainment wise, if these people are not connecting based off of fun to me.
Phillip:When you have fun, everybody in kind of a way is saying hey, I trust you guys, I'm being open, and I think when you're open and more vulnerable in those situations, you're more prone to learn, you're more prone to grow, and then you can have plays and you can have all those things. But it's on the basis to me of, like this is a game, we're actually playing a game, that's right. We're not getting paid.
Eldar:We're in high school and these motherfuckers are taking it so seriously.
Phillip:Yeah To me, like, how do you unlock somebody's potential? Don't you then create an environment where, like, it does make sense for the other person to take advantage because it is serious, so you have to have, like a disciplinarian or a leader that's going to like look down on the other person and never make him flourish.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah.
Phillip:To me that's like the opposite of growth in those situations.
Eldar:I agree with you and that's why it goes back to our topic again of staying in your own lane. If you know yourself, you most likely will prevent these types of scenarios and you will stay in your lane, which makes sense to you. Yeah, whatever I felt in that moment made sense to me. It's like yo, this is not me. I have to stay in my own lane. I like to play basketball for fun. I'm good at it. These people are not, and obviously they fucking. They didn't win not one game in all this other shit. They're trash. You know All the friends that were actually good Calvin and them. You know what I mean? All the brown motherfuckers. They didn't get chosen, they were actually good.
Phillip:Yeah, yeah, but just think we're talking about 12, 15, 17 year old people, yeah, kids. Yeah. Me and you were having a conversation I think it was today or yesterday and we were talking about what education actually means. And when somebody is sitting in a classroom or you're just sitting on a basketball court and somebody is just talking at you and they're not really getting to know you, they're not really opening you up, they're not really figuring out if you actually want to be there. What is your natural skill set? That's right. Should you be a point guard or a center? Should you even be on the team? Yeah, should you be in this classroom learning science and history, or should you just be in, like another class, learning computer science? That's right. Who's evaluating the actual people?
Eldar:Just, stay in their lanes.
Phillip:I think it makes sense that we were saying so many people kids are sitting in classrooms. Don't you think that they should be walking around outside in nature, understanding what a tree is, what a bird is, asking questions, breathing fresh air? And then, if they're in a classroom, why don't they stand up, why don't they walk around? Why do they got to be sitting down and just having a person talking at them when maybe they don't want to be learning that subject? Talking at them when maybe they don't want to be learning that subject? Like, like, I think the the talent evaluation process and learning what the person's skillset is. It's put on the individual to have to be like almost like an entrepreneur, like self growth minded person, where, if this person's an educator, like I'm trusting them to educate me, yeah, so so what is an educator in, like the modern day, like what is this person? Are you asking a fucking serious question. I want to know what they are and what they should be, and I think the disparity is wild.
Eldar:Knowing what you know now about the way you grew up, imagine how skeptical you would be.
Phillip:Oh bro, I was a rebel already, yeah, but I was always the one to. I love to laugh and joke around. My teachers hated me.
Eldar:Yeah, me too, I was a clown.
Phillip:They hated both of us. No, they hated me because I knew that if I got a laugh in class, that shit was better than any A. That's right. Me too. When I got an A, I go B whatever. I was like a, B whatever student Like CB student right. My mom was always because she was a teacher, so she was big on like.
Eldar:Oh, she was a teacher.
Phillip:Yeah, she was a special education teacher, okay, so, like her, like always in my head it was like, if I'm doing good, like my mom's going to be proud of me. You know, my dad was always more of like a joke around guy. He didn't take it as seriously. But when I was in school I had more of my dad's mentality where, like I wanted to joke around, I knew whatever this was, it was a joke, but I had to be here in some capacity. So I'm like yo, if I'm going to be here, I'm having fun. Yeah, I'm having fun. Like I had to do the memorization, take the test, sweat a little bit and, like you know, do the whole fucking bullshit. You. I knew that there was other people who liked to joke and I can get them going.
Eldar:You get them out. You get them out of the yes.
Phillip:Oh man, once I knew the other people who, like, appreciated me, and they became like the audience.
Eldar:Yeah, that was like, but you performed for them, that got me through the day, yeah 100%. This is what me and Mike would do. People took notes of the things that we did and said and we had a whole day dedicated to me and Mike and it went through our quotes. That's excellent. That's why we're still looking for that guy, tom. We're still looking for that book we're still looking for that book, because it was funny all the shit that we said in high school, because they're like yo. Who are these guys? Me and?
Phillip:Mike, were the misfits. Think about this. People put us in a situation where they don't even know what our skill set is.
Phillip:They're they're telling us that all of us have to take the same classes. Yeah, we have to all do the same things. And and then by the end, you're like wait, you have to go to college and pick what your majors is like wait, why didn't you guys tell me what this shit is? Why didn't you guys put us in certain classes from when we were younger? Why didn't you give us a specific evaluation of like, all of like, our skills and all that? And then you're like you. You're like this shit is so flawed and I paid attention to this for so long. Yeah, you believe that. Now I'm in deep.
Mike:Yeah you went deep, so now you're going to go to college and pay for it. Yeah, they took me deep.
Phillip:They took me so deep and I'm like God damn.
Eldar:But I look back at it and I'm like as a person, Well, listen now, right, when I called you and I said, yo, I'm trying to take over the world, You're like nah bro, I think I need to work here and I think I'm about to get commissioned.
Phillip:I was like, alright, phil, bye. So I remember where I was. I was outside my office and then I was in this hallway and I was looking down at an empty outside cafeteria and I was talking to you and I remember I said, uh, um, I said something along the lines of like, yeah, but I I don't have a car. Yeah, and uh, I don't know like how I would go about that yeah, you're like you're a car, like what are you talking about?
Phillip:like it's a car, we'll figure it out yeah, yeah, I was like yeah, but like you know, I I go back and forth and I work from home like it's a car. So in my head I was like you had fucking silly problems. Yeah, yeah, I was like yo, I don't have a car and I'm like yo, what are we gonna do here? Yeah, you know what's like the. So in my head I had this. Then I had also, like you know, I've been here for a year and I'm like kind of pot committed. So if I don't give more time, yeah, yeah, then I'm gonna be wasted a whole year. But at the time it's like how do you break the shackles of that type of mentality?
Eldar:Me and Toli were talking before that, before we hired you, and he mentioned. He actually said like Eldar, like if I could take Philip, I'll take him in a heartbeat. That's what he told me, so that stuck in me.
Phillip:I remember you told me that.
Eldar:Yeah, it stuck in me. So I was like, and then one day me and Mike were talking in my backyard about some stuff, about hiring a new person or whatever, and Mike, I think, asked the question who would you hire, or whatever? And then I remember totally saying that I was like I'll take Phillip. And I was like why don't I call him? And I was just walking around barefoot, I think, in my backyard and I was like, let me call Phillip.
Phillip:I think it was kind of almost afternoon-ish.
Eldar:Yeah, and I called you during lunch. I was like, let me just hit him up, and then we had that conversation and then you know, obviously you were stuck in your fears. You know, yeah, I remember that, yeah, and I was very surprised I mean I applaud you that two months in, or two months later, you're like yo Elder, this is the situation. Let's make something happen. And it worked out.
Phillip:Yeah, because you felt something was off. Yeah, there was definitely something off. Yeah, I would say, looking at it now, if I stayed on that trajectory of just going to corporate jobs, and corporate jobs is just like saying, okay, money's good, get up. Okay, like you're just on, like a certain kind of path. There's no real connections or friendships. Yeah, like, really at all. Yeah, the type of person that you have to be when you're at work versus when you're at home, yeah, is night and day. Yeah, you have to put on this act. Then I had the situation where you're working from home, yeah, and in the beginning it's nice, but then, as we were saying, you're then reliant on building these false relationships with people on a computer on a computer.
Eldar:So not only are they, not genuine.
Mike:And then, when you do have a company party, they fucking scold you for giving a compliment, bro.
Phillip:You know, it's like, um, like I, I was dealing with, like a, like a, the woke community in person and I got to see this in real time of how they actually like interact with you in like an hr situation. Yeah, we're like I'm being complimentary of people and like just being myself and like people have a problem with this Because, like you have to like, when they were going around, I remember it was like the first couple of weeks and they were like hey, what are your pronouns? And I was like, oh, no, I don't use pronouns, it's okay. And people were like wow, like what? Oh, you're different, you're built different. I was like yo, what's happening, even in this class, in this acting class, that I like they say like hey, what are your pronouns? I was like, oh, no pronouns. But the way that I say it is like no pronouns. We're like. Now I realize I'm not going to disrespect somebody if they do have them, because I'm not going to be a dick but at the same time it's like I'm breezing over this.
Eldar:This is not important. Yeah, it's not.
Phillip:This like whatever your name is, like, I call you whatever you want. Yeah, but at the end of the day, like I'm here for a specific reason and if you're not here for that reason, I'm not going to disrespect you because of your name. I'm going to disrespect you because if you don't want to be and you don't belong here, I don't want to work with you.
Eldar:Yeah.
Phillip:I want to work with somebody and integrity of the person. That's right. It's not the color of the skin.
Eldar:It's not their name, it's not their transgender, it's not their background, it's their skills and their character. That's it.
Phillip:That's all I care about.
Eldar:Yeah, so like if I'm being me and you're judging me.
Phillip:For me, that's totally fine. That means like we have a. Maybe we can get to the bottom. Yeah, but yeah, skills integrity to me that's a great basis. What more do you want?
Eldar:yeah so, yeah, do we have a moral responsibility to not stay in our own lane with the knowledge or the things that we're discovering or talking about?
Mike:uh, no, we don't have a moral responsibility, because I think the way you said it, at least my initial thought is like people are not qualified to even have that. Most people, right. I think what you're asking for is a very high Well.
Eldar:Socrates said that if you are out of the cave, you have to go back and help the others.
Mike:Well, yeah, but it goes back to what we were saying earlier. If you want to show that somebody that you love them, yeah. You have to use the right tools to show them. Okay, you cannot use the tools that you are, the primitive tools that you use. Okay, you know. Yeah, but also, with that said, if you don't have those like if you're saying you're playing that hero, you're insecure, all that stuff then you yourself might not be out of that cave fully too well, no, that's a fact. You know what I'm saying.
Eldar:that's a fact yeah, that's a fact, I think that's nobody's.
Eldar:I think that's just out of the cave no, I think that it's a a coping mechanism. Yeah, I think it's a coping mechanism. It's probably a coping mechanism yeah, you know what I'm saying where you know, helping others and not staying in your own lane is like almost a salvation for yourself. Yeah, but I personally think it's just not an effective method of teaching others when not asked, because the receptiveness is not there. Even sometimes, even now, right now, we're going more into like even sometimes, when people ask you for help, doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything. No, of course, because there's a very specific way that you need to ask in order to really be in it.
Eldar:Thank you to win it yeah, yeah, that's for sure, but, phil, we're talking about right now about the phenomena that you know you shouldn't teach when not asked. But also right now we're seeing that sometimes people don't even know how to ask properly, because even if they ask, those people not be even deservant of the help, or they're not ready to hear the answers, or you know how they say the line you can't handle the truth.
Phillip:So the perfect example I think we experienced this last week. I think Tully and Kat were talking and I think, as Kat was saying something along the lines of you know, this is what I really want, as, like you know, I just want to. I don't know exactly what she was saying. She's like you know, maybe this is what I want, I want to learn, or, yeah, I want to learn and I want to grow. And then totally was challenging her and asking, like do you actually really know what you want? Like do you actually know? Yeah, and I think we came to the conclusion of this person may not actually know what they want. And then it all goes back to like I actually don't know what I want. And then totally was like being in a place of I don't know is better than saying you know, and it's wrong.
Phillip:So so that resonated with me because as I first came here, I kept saying, hey, I want, I want this, I want a house, I want a certain type of income, I want to do this. And at the end of the day it's like wait, I actually don't know what I want. And now that I'm starting to realize what I actually do want, it all goes back to I want to truly empower myself and I want to actually know who I am.
Eldar:I actually don't know who I am.
Phillip:So it's like wait, I'm trying to say that I want all these other things, and then it makes sense of I understand why I don't have all those other things, because I don't even know myself and I haven't asked myself what I truly. I haven't asked myself my real self what I actually want. I never actually truly asked myself this, because I have to get to know my actual self, to ask myself what I really want. So, first you have to chip away and chisel and be like yo, okay, I discovered this person.
Eldar:I'm in this mode.
Phillip:I haven't even got to the point where I asked myself what I want.
Phillip:So just imagine if in the beginning you're saying I want this, think about how far that pushes you away from then actually discovering who you are. You're moving yourself further. And that's the point that I got from totally was that if you're saying you want something, definitively that belief system is going to be a lot harder to chip away at, because you have to chip away at that false belief that you have, that ignorance. First you have to chip away at the ignorance. Admit that you're an idiot, admit that you don't know, then go on the path and then, once you're on the path, then some place down the line you can say, hey, philip, what do you actually want?
Phillip:And then, once you know what you want, then the way that people describe like okay, I have a desire, I love this thing, you know, I'm going to do it every day the way that you describe like when you fell in love with cat, you know, like those type of like experiences, I don't think you can experience those things if you don't truly know yourself. Yeah, and and and. You go through the, the work of actually like realizing I don't know. I got to know myself, ask myself what I wanted, the world gave it to me, I'm ready to accept it and now I have all the responsibilities of what love, um, and being a caring partner is like you do this every day, the way that you describe it to me, and I don't think you can get to that place unless you have the humbleness to say at some point you had to say you don't know, right.
Eldar:There was definitely a moment. There had to be a point, but the thing is it's hard for me to reflect on is because now it's probably second nature for me to be that person that I've already established with my relationship and that's why my relationship was good. It was because it's now second nature. Yeah, like I'm not trying to be a good husband.
Phillip:Yeah, but I'm saying, as a human being, it's almost impossible to not have that. Yeah, I don't know.
Eldar:Yes, Right, one hundred percent. There was a time. Yeah, there was definitely a time, and the intentions were set. And you know, I practiced and now it's solidified and I'm happy Because the way you describe work in your relationship.
Phillip:when you come here, there's like a seamless integration between your relationship. When you come here, when I see you interact with Kat versus interact with me, mike or anybody here, I don't see you as like okay, there's work. Eldar Like okay, he's work.
Eldar:Eldar, and then when we go to his house for lunch then he's like this cool guy Like. When we go to his house for lunch.
Phillip:then he's like this cool guy, You're the same guy all the time.
Mike:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Phillip:So you, I bridge that gap. You created a life for yourself where you don't have to be anybody else at any other time. I think that's what peace is. Isn't that the goal of being a peaceful person?
Eldar:This is where we're trying to get you to yeah, everyone to yeah, to, yeah, yeah. I think that's what Mike's trying to bridge the gap right now with staying in your own lane thing, yeah Right. Trying to find that peace and find that contentment within yourself by staying in your own peace and knowing your powers and not being like a person that's giving unsolicited advice yeah, that's going to potentially hurt themselves.
Mike:Yeah, probably not just unsolicited advice, but unsolicited energy.
Eldar:Yeah.
Mike:Exchanges too, yeah. Or seeking approval.
Phillip:Yeah, or whatever it is. Selfishly, I did want Mike to have a couple more chaps. That's all I know, bro. I did want a couple more, bro, I even-. Did you want some or no? I tempted himed it.
Eldar:I knew what I was doing and I rewatched it.
Phillip:I wanted more. I was like I knew what I was doing. I wanted more.
Eldar:I wanted him to fucking punch him in the face, his head was poking out, just like every once in a while.
Phillip:but like like every time that he poked out, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eldar:More, more, more, yeah, of the self-control. Like I said, I've witnessed self-control and I was proud of that because I knew, like I'm like good If he's, like you know, leveling himself in such a way where he doesn't want to get in trouble.
Phillip:This is good.
Eldar:But he had a smile on his face so it didn't mean he was enjoying himself. So I was like fuck it, leave him alone. Okay, yeah, I'm good with it. Like yeah.
Phillip:I don't want it to be worse than what it was, but I just know every time that Mike poked out and like we connected because I saw his face first.
Mike:Like it made me happy maybe in the beginning I had a thought. I was like I could say something, but if I go here out of emotion because I know exactly what's happening, I could get myself in trouble. Yeah, and that maybe self-control was there because I knew that I saw it, bro, I thought it was self-controlled.
Eldar:I was like, okay, cool, like that's good. Yeah, you know, it was deliberate. Like you call it second nature. I don't want to call it second nature. You know, when you pump up the gas.
Mike:I don't know. I mean, you know, like I I that I call it second nature because I couldn't explain it. Oh, okay, I didn't say. Okay, I'm gonna control myself.
Eldar:Okay, I thought you did how to act I had the feeling that you did, I did. I thought you said, eldar, like I know what you're doing and no, I had. No, I can go in, I can back you up, but I'm not gonna do it because I'm practicing something else.
Phillip:I did that's what I thought in my head. I didn't. I thought that's what you're doing also.
Eldar:Yeah oh, I thought that's what he was doing. I thought this is what we're working on we're working on this exact thing.
Mike:I thought he was doing that, yes yeah, that wasn't that that wasn't intention, maybe some part of it yeah mostly it wasn't that because you usually would jump in bro. Yeah, I know, I usually would.
Phillip:But in that scenario, like I look at I totally in that scenario where like he was a deer with like a broken hoof and he couldn't leave and me and you, me and you had like two snipers on him, we're like, yeah, every time you know what the? Chime, chime in or not, we had him 100%.
Eldar:And I think that Mike not chiming in just spoke volume, bro. It was even better for him not to speak because if he was cornered completely, he might have run. He might have ran more, but instead he was more introspective about it. He was like yo, am I doing the right thing here? It he was like yo, yeah, am I doing the right thing here? Like am I, am I interpreting this thing properly?
Phillip:yeah, and me, and you kept giving it to him. Oh yeah, mike didn't have to.
Eldar:Mike silence was giving him the fucking business. Yeah, like, did you enjoy that? Oh yeah, I enjoyed the fuck out of it.
Mike:He enjoyed the fuck out of it, okay, I was like yo.
Phillip:I have to talk to mike because, like I like she was like yo, he's burning right now inside, so I'm like, yeah, he was because I like I loved it because like, yeah, I'm looking at it like I'm playing with free, like house money here, because like, yeah, this never happened to me directly, but I've heard mike talk about it.
Mike:You just never observed it. Phil, it happens to you all the time. Yeah, so I never observed it.
Phillip:Sure it's fair so as I'm doing this in my head, I'm saying to myself like yo, eldar's coming over here with like an objective. It's coming from cat Kat, so like this is like she appointed me, tully has zero chance. Like, no matter what Tully's coming from, like he has zero chance. I know Mike is here with like he's like almost like the backup ammo that you have.
Eldar:He was the backup ammo, that's what I'm saying.
Phillip:He could have threw bombs, he could have done anything. That's what I'm saying, bro. So long for Tully.
Eldar:And Mike's like the fucking cosigner of the receipt. You know what I mean? Yeah, All his receipts mostly. I mean I have my own with Tully, obviously, but Mike's just been like hammering the shit.
Phillip:The most fun, too, was that we actually got to go to his house and play it out. Yeah, and then, once we got to his house and you started to flick open the little pack with the plastic, yeah. Remember you flicked it open.
Phillip:Yes, even Kat, towards the end, was like the little pack. And you're like yo, phillip, did you see what Eldar did before? And she's like yo. I was like, yeah, he did this. She just loved that. You did that with the plastic. Yeah, and that little part of you just showing where he goes, yes, in this process we didn't need an answer, he didn't need to tell us. Philip, this is why I actually wanted to go to eldar's. Yeah, we actually got to see it firsthand. Yeah, you pointed out. When I'm looking at him, watching him look at the grill, and he just like his hands were down.
Phillip:Yeah, and it looked like he was channeling, like a like a like a voodoo like yeah, it looked like some crazy spiritual practice and I told you I never saw anybody just kind of blank out like this.
Eldar:But now that I see that, and Kat also has more stories. When we three of us left, she had more stories.
Phillip:Oh, and it was them, and Tom.
Eldar:It was her, tom and him, and she has more stories, She'll tell you about it. Oh, when they stayed at their house.
Mike:Oh, I know the stories. I mean, I heard something, but I already know what happened it was very funny.
Phillip:I think what's funny too is I get to know everybody more and I get to know Kat more. I think it's funny when, like, I point out something about like totally, like, say, like the back thing or like the family guy thing was like like that, and Kat's response to it like I don't thing where it's, like, ah, like that, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Kat's response to it like I don't know where she knows, like like where he's at with, like making ailments and like eight pains. But she picks up on it and she's experienced more than I have 100% where I'm like.
Phillip:I'm in the office and I'm thinking like oh, never heard this before, yeah.
Eldar:And then when I show her this, she's laughing as if, like, she knows more examples. You understand that you. You're the bridge between katherine's. You're the bridge for katherine's voice to be what she's been experiencing for a very long time.
Phillip:No, because you say it, I'm experiencing this because, like, I don't have a filter like that. We're like, I'm just saying what I think, yes, and then like cat, cat's more pc bro, yeah, cat yeah it laugh. But the way that Kat's laughing when I'm saying something, it's making me realize that she has experienced more than this.
Phillip:And I'm like, wait, kat, the way that you present what you think in these situations it makes me think that you never experienced this with Tully before, so it makes me feel actually more connected to Kat. Yeah, and it makes it funnier.
Eldar:Yeah, it does make it funnier.
Phillip:Oh, I love it.
Eldar:I think it's huge. This is huge. I think this is huge.
Mike:Self-control. It's super important. Yeah, it's super important. Yeah, it's also when you don't stay in your own lane. You don't stay in your own lane, you're not empowered, and that's what I wanted. To go next.
Eldar:And that's what I want to go. Next, I wanted to go to a place where this is a result of very specific work. You know what I'm saying? This is not like yeah, okay, one day I'll just keep my mouth shut, yeah, no, I'm not just going to weigh in on shit, I'm not going to go into the drama.
Mike:No, no, for sure.
Eldar:And that's impossible bro.
Mike:That's impossible Well.
Phillip:I think if you do that, then you actually didn't make a choice and you're on that kind of like you're in no man's land yeah, Like're. You're not in that, that place where you are being like the hero complex and you're trying to save, but you're also not at the place where you're being inquisitive and you're trying to actually learn. Yeah, You're just keeping your mouth shut because, um, you got upset. Yeah, you got upset, but you're you're actually not making a stance.
Mike:Yeah Well, with the example you know, like with Tully, and why this staying in the own lane thing, this has been a long time coming for me. It's been going on for a very long time, where he would do things that would upset me and I wouldn't be able to stay in my own lane, or he would do things and they would set me and I would be quiet. You wouldn't be able to stand up for yourself.
Phillip:I wouldn't be able to stand up for myself.
Mike:Yeah, and for especially very recently, I've been thinking about it like yo and I was blaming him like yo. He's a jerk off, he's an asshole, he's egotistical. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not true, but yeah, besides the point, yeah, yeah, but I understood that if I will never gain my own freedom and never gain my own, this is true your own self, your power your voice you're liberating yourself from that, my own self-respect and my own ability to say yo, your voice.
Mike:I allowed him to do this to me. He didn't do this to me. I said it's okay, correct, and he just continued.
Eldar:See this is when I feel, feel like you're empowered. You finally empowered yourself. That's the example.
Phillip:So in that example, it's the perfect one that I was saying before. It's okay, you realize that I'm not the victim, right? So then you went in the other direction of what a victim would do and you said, hey, you know what I actually have to pull back, I have to learn a new skillset in order to then be able to be empowered, so when the next one does come about, I can handle it properly, because in that moment he did not have the proper skillset to handle the situation the way that he wanted to, without getting taken advantage of or feel a certain kind of way 100%.
Eldar:So that's like that's huge.
Phillip:Like you, you, you practice patience, yeah. You practice humbleness, right. You actually open yourself to education. You're humility, you have humility, yeah, right. And then you go back in the situation where he could have put a bomb on him there. He actually chose not to and he didn't have to do anything. Actually, other people took it and he was just able to sit there and realize oh, you know what? I can have fun with this, but I actually don't have to do anything.
Eldar:This is where this statement comes in.
Phillip:The world is the way it is is because of the way you are so Mike actually created that situation without doing any, with him just doing behind the scenes work. He's a producer and a director, and then we got to be the actors and have fun with it, and a lot of the times.
Eldar:That's what it is right If you actually are empowered and have the ability to understand what's actually going on and make conscious choices, to be the ambassador of truth, yeah Right. If you are the ambassador of truth, for that moment and that reality and that fucking moment, things will turn out the way you actually want them to turn out and that's where you actually are Like.
Mike:I would say, god, that feeling that you described, that thing. I'm not sure how to explain it, but the way I was thinking about it, I don't know if you understand what he's saying oh no, it's like.
Phillip:Uh like, my understanding is that you're like he said it, because he said it the producer, you're writing a script yeah, that feeling, yeah, I would.
Mike:I was thinking about it earlier when you guys were talking yeah, like there's like an expression I'm not sure on which philosophy or somewhere I heard it. It's like something, something, and the universe turns to you yeah, like the universe aligns for you to succeed, yeah, or opens up, yeah, and to me, like that is exactly what transpired Good.
Eldar:Like and I was like yo, this is like some fucking God level next level shit. That's why you were smiling the whole time. That's why I was smiling, because I thought about that thought. Where the universe without me getting involved that is a confirmation that whatever it is you're doing is the correct thing.
Phillip:I just saw Mike like this right, there's a little wall like with the wall here, and just like this, but then he would go back right and then.
Phillip:so, as he was here, yeah, I'm telling yourself a shit I was like yo, mike, you'll stay there just for a little bit yeah I wanted him to stay outside the wall and just participate a little more, because like I was like yo, every time that mike came out, I felt a certain way where, like, like, like he was validating what I was saying and then like we were having more fun with it as a whole. But I was like, okay, me and Elder are like Elder has so much ammo on this that like it's like an ungodly amount of ammunition that Elder has a lot of ammo too on his own experiences, right yeah.
Phillip:You were telling me, with that situation, that you didn't even get to the point where you were telling me, because Kat didn't ask you how you felt about it. She was just telling you how you felt about it so there's a whole other layer that didn't even get opened up.
Eldar:See, you pay attention. You don't pay attention.
Phillip:See if we got to that point he would have been done If you would have unloaded on him.
Mike:It would have been over. It would have been done If you would have unloaded the way that you unload feelings.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, but you did you.
Mike:You said to him like yeah, but uh, you said to him, which is always like, that was very, like, um, very calculated telling calculated yeah, um, it just slipped my mind for a second, but when you responded to him you kind of put it on cat the whole thing. Yeah, when, when he asked, when he asked you, how do you it, yeah, how do you feel about it, you kind of didn't give your own thing, you kind of gave the cat's thing.
Phillip:Well, no, no, you said specifically, from what I remember, you said something along the lines of I'm here representing cat, yeah, okay, and you were telling us I've accepted where this is at.
Mike:Cat didn't ask me. Oh yes, when you said that that was the biggest dagger, yeah, right, so you didn't understand that you?
Eldar:did not understand that and that's not. That's.
Mike:That's what I'm saying but I heard, I heard, you heard this okay that's why he's saying that yes, there's more to uncover here yes, there is more to uncover here, yo, this is, this is a crazy this, but he doesn't understand I ruled them out, really, really ruled him out and that's terrible, well listen but it's the reality.
Eldar:It's the reality because I don't want to be affected by it.
Mike:You're affected by it and that's why staying in your own lane there you go come back to it.
Eldar:There you go but I've said it several times I said, look, there's some things that are going on and I'm not willing to go into those things. Yeah, I don't have time for that. But it is easier for me to invite you guys over my house. Yeah, and not ask those questions.
Phillip:That's why you, when you said that to me I understood that you feel a certain way about it, but you accepted it to the point of like. You realize that totally is not ready for it, correct, so you don't try to challenge him. But when Kat said that she wants to do it, and then you actually gained the respect for Kat because it was something in her where she actually showed that like hey, you know what I actually do want to know about this, when I, when I usually wouldn't so.
Phillip:I'm going to appoint you as my representative to go to to work and do this, yeah. Where she shouldn't, she wouldn't normally did this, yes. So you got to gain more respect for cat in this specific situation and you got to go there and not even give toll your two cents about it from your perspective? Yeah, for sure, which is, which is like it's a phenomenon which is scary for this situation because like it's there's so much more to, and he started to feel it without you putting even in your perspective on it.
Eldar:You don't understand how many times he kept saying hey, like am I missing something here? He kept going to that.
Phillip:He's like do you think I'm?
Eldar:missing something here.
Phillip:He knew that you had more, of course.
Eldar:Yeah, like an intuition told him that.
Phillip:But you realize that he's not ready to have it yet.
Eldar:No no.
Mike:Yeah.
Eldar:That would have put him out for a long time. And I think Catherine also has to. There's a lesson for Catherine as well.
Eldar:The empowerment at the end of the day is to understand the condition I think, and have the easiest path to victory. Let's just say you know what I mean For the greater good? Yeah, and for me it was like, hey. That is just say you know what I mean For the greater good? Yeah, and for me it was like, hey, that's not a problem, you know what I mean, I have no problem with that. Yeah, you know, that's the easiest path to victory for me. But obviously I would like to learn the person to also be considerate sometimes and understand these things. So you know.
Phillip:Yeah, it was definitely like a full circle moment. It when I've been here till now, like that was like that was a really good one, because it involved everybody. Yeah, Kat, Mike, you and me, yeah, and yeah, that that was. Yeah, that that was a very, very like I would say, powerful. Yeah, what we got to add humor and actually have fun with it Also it wasn't like a fully serious moment felt serious in those moments. It was light and heavy at the same time.
Mike:Somebody was in the hot seat, for sure.
Eldar:Somebody was in the hot seat for sure it was good. That's why he might not be here right now to defend himself.
Phillip:It was definitely. It was good. It was very, very good.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, look, I told Catherine after you know. I said look, this is okay to have these kind of conversations and confrontations if you want to call them in order to get to a place where both people understand where they stand. Yeah, if Tony wants to be a rat and say you know what, I'm not going to invite you guys at all, I'm not going to order the burgers, I'm not going to make these ideas, cool, this is where you stand. Yeah, we're not gonna come, we're not gonna make these fucking things, and that's okay. This is where you stand. You know what I mean. You're not yet all ready to make these kind of invitations. Let's just call them. You know what I mean.
Eldar:If Kat has to be stingy about her place or whatever, then that's her learning moment, you know where? Like, she's gonna be the bad guy quote unquote by saying that, no, you can't barbecue at our place. You know what I'm saying? That's fine too. We get to understand what people stand faster and something tells me, and all the time it comes out in such a way where people don't want to be the bad guy, people don't want to be the rats, the exposed rats. Catherine doesn't want to be the person that says no, so she's going to be more likely to say yes, tully doesn't want to be the guy that doesn't make these suggestions. He's going to make more suggestions like this, but he's going to do them properly. So I think in this type of discussion everyone grows and that's a very good thing. Yeah.
Phillip:Because everybody ultimately in this scenario got what they wanted. Totally did want to show us the hot dog and the burger. Yeah.
Mike:He said it is so sick bro.
Eldar:He wanted to show us the hot dog and the burger.
Phillip:No, he was on the internet and just excited about. Like dude, I'm ordering this. It's excellent. Everybody gets what they want. You wanted to eat like a madman?
Eldar:No, he was on the internet and just excited about.
Mike:Like dude, I'm ordering this.
Eldar:It's excellent. He loves that kind of stuff. Everybody gets what they want. You wanted to eat like a madman. I wanted to eat the hot dog, he ate Yo.
Phillip:I was in a cold Yo yesterday.
Phillip:Yeah, it was one of those days where, like Bro, you ate two hot dogs and a burger, you're a madman and Tim Tams and like. But the point is I'm looking at this scenario from yesterday and then I'm saying the way that it played out for me was that usually we come back and we have a lunch. Yesterday was that kind of day where we came back late from lunch, totally didn't even come back, and we're like yo, we had a day, but I don't think it was just about the food. To me it was a perfect example of the whole situation playing out and the magnitude of the whole thing. Everything played out to me how it should have been, based off of how many, I guess, years and how many examples of this in consideration was going on for that long.
Eldar:That's why I don't feel bad. Obviously, I'm a business owner and obviously we're making money here. We need to make money to pay the bills and stuff like that. I don't feel bad, right? Obviously, I'm a business owner and obviously we're making money here. We need to make money to pay the bills and stuff like that. Yeah, right, I don't feel bad about that. I feel good about this kind of discourse. Yeah, Because I feel like people are learning through this and we're going to accomplish a lot more by understanding each other a little bit better. Yeah, say, but we worked on something else, and that's personal development, and that is always number one for me. That's my fucking background. That's what I believe in wholeheartedly. You know what I mean. Money will come. Money is the easy part. You know what I'm saying.
Phillip:Yeah, I think having that understanding of where people actually are Kat was a certain way, and then it was the first time that she spoke out a certain way, so she got to show something and then Toley got to realize how other people actually witnessed this scenario and he got questioned about it.
Eldar:Yeah, the assumptions that he made came out.
Phillip:But he heard it that it was coming from Kat and I think he heard it a certain way because normally Kat wouldn't ask this. So I think, coming from you saying that it was from Kat, and I think he heard it a certain way because normally Kat wouldn't ask this. So I think, coming from you saying that it was from Kat, I think he heard it in a different way than he ever heard it before.
Eldar:Yeah, because Mike tried to raise this kind of awareness, right, yeah, but the way he fought was not conducive to raise that kind of awareness. Yeah, and it finally came in such a way where it's like, oh shit, it maybe might have. We'll see the jury's still out, we'll see how totally behaves himself. Yeah, to see whether or not we actually struck or striking a chord there yeah, no, but it was.
Phillip:Uh, I got to sit back, like I said, and experience it. As I'm sitting there, I just got to eat and kind of just watch, but as you like, you were pointing it out in real time to me and you're like yo, phillip, like yo, look at that little fruit and nut packet. He was just walking around why is he doing this and he just flipped it open and then, as me and Mike were on Whole Foods and he's like yo, what do you think Tully's doing? Why did he have to go home?
Mike:and then I'm saying to myself I'm like wait.
Phillip:I'm like what? Does he need 20 or 30 minutes to include the grill?
Eldar:that didn't start anything, but he didn't do any of that stuff before, yeah.
Phillip:So then, when you walked in and then you were like you, I was yelling at him.
Eldar:You guys weren't there. I was yelling at him. I was like yo, what the?
Mike:fuck, oh yeah. You asked in front of us, like what have you been, what are you doing? No, yeah, he was on the other side.
Phillip:I remember specifically he was on the. I was on this side of the kitchen where, like the, the stove is, and uh, uh, you pointed to him and he just he was walking around like this, yeah, and he was just like kind of looking around like a deer in headlights and you're like yo, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, we're all doing stuff and he's just standing around, but but the thing was is that I already tasked everybody on stuff.
Eldar:I tasked you, I tasked him, I tasked kat. You know what I mean. I test, tommy, I test everybody's stuff, do you?
Phillip:guys remember what I was saying. And this fucking guy, I was like this is the head chef and everybody else is a sous chef. So this is when Tommy was doing the potatoes with Kat, I was opening up the wine, mike was doing stuff with the meat.
Eldar:Totally, was not doing anything.
Phillip:No. And then I was saying like yo, this is what like the head chef does. He has all the sous chefs, yeah, but like he literally didn't do do anything in that moment, that's right. And you were questioning him and I thought that was so funny, yeah, because like he didn't know what was happening, that's right. And then you showed me what he looked like with the grill and outside, and then it didn't click. It clicked when you showed me the grill, because I was just laughing up to that point and I was like, okay, you didn't believe me, yet I was being funny.
Phillip:And I was like, maybe, like you usually don't exaggerate, but I was like, okay, maybe it's not happening in this moment. And when you actually pointed out in real time and he was like looking like he saw a ghost at the grill and the grill was closed, I thought it was open. No, it open, it was closed, yeah, and he was just looking at it and his hands were just down, yeah, and then at that moment I realized that everything you were saying about how, when he comes home and he just walks around aimlessly, yeah, it's real it is real and I was like stuck and I was like I.
Phillip:I never uh understood what that was. I never saw a person do this. Yeah, maybe in a movie or something where I saw like they were like saw, like the wonky character who's speedwalking or something.
Eldar:That is how Dennis fucking does this shit, not to bring him up, but he's a fucking pacing talks to himself.
Phillip:I never experienced this as a real person, like I said, a character in a movie maybe, but I never had a direct connection with somebody who acts like that, so it's almost like it was so shocking to me it's surreal. But then you pointed it out and I saw it and then I connected it and now I understand it Good, which is but it's still wild to me.
Eldar:This is a big part of his character. Yeah, by the way, but I think On all things.
Phillip:But I told you the way that he acts as a professional in business and the way that he talks to other people, and it's maybe because I'm coming from an inferior place of like on the phone I haven't figured it out yet. So the way that I look at him on the phone, I'm like he has a skillset that I don't have that I'm working on, so I maybe look up to him in a certain light of like talking a and I give him passes on other things.
Phillip:I'm like wait this guy's a total menace to society.
Eldar:This is a good topic as well. If you're fucking LeBron James, you're a basketball player. Don't talk to me about politics, my man. You have not graduated a political science degree.
Phillip:Yes, yes, this is a great, great conversation you understand.
Eldar:Yeah, you're a basketball player, bro. Yeah, you show me how to dunk. Yes, basketball player, bro. Yeah, you show me how to dunk. Yes, you show me how to dribble and how to shoot. Don't talk to me about this other shit. This is an example of that. That's a great example because Totally studied the you know psychology of sales. He's good. He's good, he's very good. He knows what to do, he knows how to speak. He yeah, but other stuff, life shit. I mean, like we taught him how to wipe his ass, bro, like you understand no, it's, but it's like why?
Phillip:because I'm telling you, the example is tommy and him. Yeah, and I love tommy now, but tommy is consistent to me he grew on you and all he grew on me. But the way that he acts, he's consistent. All the things that I see him in all facets, the way he talks about business and writing and art, and I love, love him. He's great, but I see it consistently. He doesn't shock me like Tully does, because Tully's on the phone. He's closing a deal and then I'm seeing him freeze in front of a grill.
Eldar:And then he's flicking a packet over and not taking a task on.
Phillip:We're all doing something.
Eldar:There's two raisins inside the packet. He closes the fucking joint. This is what he's thinking about.
Phillip:You, I couldn't believe I thought that, like I thought he was joking at first. No, because what I thought was that like I thought that he saw that you thought it was funny. So then I was like oh, is he just doing something? So eldar points it out, so then he can like have a completely disconnected moment, looking even back at it now, knowing what I know now, I still think it's amazing.
Eldar:Yeah, it is amazing. I mean you understand that me and Mike's been enjoying this for a very long time.
Phillip:It's like the ultimate form of entertainment. Yes, it is. We're blessed bro, it's funny.
Eldar:Sometimes it frustrates Mike, though, no, no, it's funny.
Phillip:It's funny. Yeah, it's very, very funny.
Eldar:It is very funny If you pay attention, if you actually pay attention, you can have a really good time.
Phillip:You pointing it out is my favorite because the level of respect that he has for you he can't ever really truly lash out at you in that kind of way. Because I think with me and Mike. He feels like okay, sometimes you can talk to me and Mike a certain way.
Eldar:Yeah, we're a couple of dunce idiots, right.
Phillip:But when it's with you, he can't say anything. So I feel like when you point it out, I get to see it through a different lens where I know there's going to be no rebuttals.
Eldar:No, there is rebuttals. No, there's rebuttals.
Phillip:Phillip you think so.
Eldar:The goal for me in challenging an individual is to bring that out Actually bring that out in its true form Okay, Because we get the true form and to see what's actually going on. I mean, you've been through these battles, bro me and Tully. You've probably witnessed the one or two where you're really in it heated.
Eldar:I've seen some I've seen some this is real shit, yeah, and then like we really get to understand what's actually going on. I think that's like the point of a good friendship. I think this is part of it. To develop a good friendship, to really understand one another, you have to go through these trials and tribulations.
Phillip:You know what I mean well, well, you know what I mean well, well, we, oh yeah, to tie it.
Mike:To tie it back to, yeah, to what we're talking about. It is very important what you just said. Yeah, because I can stay in my own lane. Yeah, right, but the way to stay in your own lane is you have to align with the truth, which is the truth is you have to respect what that person is going through in that, in that specific time. Yeah, he may not be ready to be a good friend, correct specific scenario ready to be a good friend in?
Eldar:that specific scenario.
Mike:He may be a good friend in a different scenario. Yeah, and respecting that is very, very important, I agree.
Eldar:I agree. This is extremely important because, at the end of the day, I can only be what I'm allowed to be. Yeah, you understand this. What I'm saying. Is that an example?
Phillip:of oh no, I have, I have a good example. Okay, the example would be so totally is an example of a friendship that you can grow with, even when there's kind of confrontation. The other examples was we won't say names but like we have a common uh, two, two friends that are similar where we grew up with, where we can act a certain way and they look at it where that road of where you can have the confrontation, they choose to not be a part of it and not participate.
Phillip:And when you don't participate in this, that to me, is the sign of A fake relationship, exactly A surface level fake relationship so to me when you're saying an example that's where I thought you were going was that you have the example of two people who can butt heads and have a confrontation, but they're willing to have the confrontation because they realize that they both respect the truth, and one maybe doesn't see it, so the other can point it out. So you can butt heads, but at the end of the day Now so you can butt heads, but at the end of the day, then you're going to get it, yes, but the other person is going to fight you on that.
Phillip:Go back and forth. But you're both trying to get somewhere with the other person. You're realizing that, hey, if we're not willing to participate in this anymore, whatever we had, whatever this relationship is, it's not important enough to get to the thing that makes sense which is the truth and we both at least one person realizes that it's not Correct and you have to separate.
Eldar:That's it To me.
Phillip:those are the two differences. I agree with you. You and Tully have a respect for one another. Even if one person's wrong and they're not ready, you're willing to kind of butt it out, correct and get there, and Mike too.
Eldar:That's good. Mike raised his hand to give Mike flowers. He raised his hand and said I don't want to be in this la la land anymore. I want to be told what the fuck is going on and I want to be told when I'm wrong or when you guys feel like I'm doing something wrong. Tell me the shit. That's part of developing that thick skin. And now I definitely play a different role in Mike's life than before, because a lot of times before I felt like maybe he wasn't ready for something like that. But now I say I speak my mind, I say yo like the fuck you doing or what are you saying. I remember that. And then we have a conversation about it.
Phillip:I remember that in the beginning, when we all started to take walks and stuff and we started to do the podcast, once we got here, yeah, right, and we were talking about it, had not said that he was ready to have it.
Phillip:He was sensitive. But then, if you remember, there were situations where we had with Mike, where he was getting labeled a certain way and then he was like you know what, I do want to be held accountable. And I remember you actually asked him again. There were two different scenarios where he got labeled a certain way and he didn't like it. And then he came out and said hey, you know what, I do want to get these pointed out. And you asked him and you said hey, mike, tell me right now you want me to point these out. And then, once you did that, the way that I saw it, even when I didn't go on walks with you, is that when you were having walks with Mike, I think you started to then open up a different layer to your opinion yeah 100% and the way that you would maybe talk to him about a situation 100%.
Eldar:My goal is to strike the ego, to create a fight.
Phillip:Well, because he said he was ready for it and he wanted the feedback. Yes, correct, before he didn't say this.
Eldar:That's right. That's why you did it right. This is the only reason.
Phillip:Yeah, you know what I'm saying but that's a perfect example of you waited. You had the respect for the situation in him and you waited for him to actually say, yes, I want it Correct, and you couldn't give it to him at any other point.
Eldar:Otherwise he might not be receptive and like he would, I would get into the things that would totally that they get into and like I don't like that. Yeah, like you know, being a spectator of what they go through, I don't want that. Totally. Gives them unsolicited advice, mike gives them a solicitor advice and they constantly butting heads and they don't get anywhere. Yeah, you know what I mean. I would like to get somewhere.
Phillip:You know what I mean with this yeah, just think of like, think of that for like, like people that are listening, that are like that to me, that are trying to comprehend that is that you have the ability to give him actually what he needs, yeah, but you're actually being patient and respectful to wait till he actually asks for it. Think of, like, the level of awareness that you actually have to have for just being like awake and a person to say, okay, this is my friend, he might not be ready for it, he might be saying, saying he wants it, but he's actually not ready, but I waited for the moment where I saw him feel a certain way I need to be employed.
Eldar:Yeah, listen, I don't remember which philosophy or everything that's tied behind this about not giving advice when not asked, but there's a lot of like, there's a conviction behind it. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. So, in order to unlock my giving advice, I need that. I need the past to be given, otherwise I can't function properly.
Phillip:Yeah, you know what I mean and I think of that as, like you have this knowledge and to truly educate, like the way that we're talking about it. It's so powerful because we're actually waiting until the person is ready, and we know that it's so good that when it does come on them, they're going to get it and then they're going to follow that path and they're going going to start dedicating a portion or their life to this thing. That's aligned with the truth.
Eldar:That is why I have the testimony, I can actually speak on Mike's progress, because I see this. We go through this stuff A lot of times when people like somebody I won't mention, talk shit about, like yo, what is Mike? Mike, I got to come over here and talk shit about Mike and like tell him that he hasn't done anything or whatever, like that. Take, I take offense of that because I actually know what we're going through. I actually know what Mike's going through the trenches. I know how hard this fucking shit is. Yeah, this is actual fucking work. Yeah, this is personal development. To like the T. I think you know what I mean. To shut down your own ego, your pride and all this other stuff, to become a better person, to become self-controlled and actually see your own power. Like this is what I'm after. I wholeheartedly believe this, but it's hard, it's not easy. It's not easy stuff.
Phillip:I think it's cool because the way that we do it is that we have a business right that we all participate in. So, like on a day to day, we all have roles that aren't necessarily like, I wouldn't say attached Like. This podcast is very specific for like philosophy right and like self-awareness and being empowered, but it spills over in the day to day and some days are going to random. Tuesday or Wednesday a philosophy conversation can come up, where at a regular job like these, things are very separate.
Mike:Oh, yeah, it's taboo bro.
Phillip:Yeah, I think integrating philosophy and values. The way that we do it here on a day-to-day basis is yeah, we do have jobs, everybody has their roles in production and sales and all that right. But on a day-to-day we're maybe learning without realizing that we're learning and we're all kind of growing and having these conversations sometimes without having them and they play out in real time on maybe Mondays, tuesdays and Thursdays, and not just waiting until Fridays and the weekend happen.
Eldar:This is correct.
Phillip:So I think it's cool how, looking back at it now, how everything like this week is a perfect example where, on a weekday, we started to talk to Toli about something that's been building up for years and years and years. Yeah, that just happened on a weekday, yeah, where I'm saying like most people would not have this opportunity to take, because once the job quote unquote starts, these kind of things are not allowed to come up.
Eldar:Do you understand the benefits of the job you have? Yeah, like. These kind of things are not allowed to come up.
Phillip:Do you understand the benefits of the job you have? Yeah, these kind of things are very cool and they're very unique.
Eldar:Yeah, do you understand that I'm taking over the world here, or no?
Phillip:It's very cool If X needed somebody to have a conversation or to be a representative of something. This is it. What are we saying? This is this, is it. What are we saying? This is it? Yeah, like this to me, is that kind of nobody else, nobody else.
Eldar:I'm telling you, yeah, like this, this kind of to me philosophy, when you guys open up and be true to yourselves, bro.
Phillip:It's undeniable yeah, because nobody can touch us because we're saying the way that Elon's talking to these.
Eldar:Is that arrogant?
Phillip:no, no, no, because, no, no, no, because he's talking about taking consciousness into the future and wanting to preserve it, and doing it in a way where he feels it's about skills and integrity of the person. The way that I'm describing work is that there should be no separation between having these type of conversations and being in the work environment. They should all be tied together they should all be tied together.
Eldar:There's one thing that I disagree with Elon Musk is that he has this maybe a little bit of paranoia about preserving humanity and preserving consciousness and taking it to the next level. I'm not sure I really agree with this.
Phillip:Okay, Do you think that puts him in a position where he has to be the ego helper without asking if you need it? He has a timeline.
Eldar:I think he's going against the timeline, where he wants to be the, the ego helper without asking you if you need it.
Eldar:like he has a timeline, I think he's going against the timeline right where he wants to be the guy to do it correct yeah where I think that him or not him, or I think that the way we are wired or the way god created this, or whatever this is this is is that it is endless where and nonetheless obviously I don't want catastrophes or bad things to happen I think that if they do happen, we're gonna come around so?
Phillip:so what I just heard from that was that if elon realized that all the things that here he's building, that he can build a community of like, like-minded people that eventually can take his idea and like, prop it up and then actually grow when he's dead he's he's essentially trying to do everything while he's alive, to be the guy to do it. Is that what you're saying?
Eldar:Yeah, I think so. There's a little paranoia installed in it.
Phillip:I hear that and I think from the play devil's advocate in that if he is thinking the way that he's thinking, there's such a big disparity between what he's doing and what's out there, and I think an example, like a concrete physical example, would be what car companies are doing versus what he did in the car company.
Eldar:Yeah.
Phillip:It's such a big difference. Yeah, disparity is crazy Just think what car companies have done for like 100, whatever GMs.
Eldar:Hundreds of years, yeah, 100.
Phillip:Okay, Ford, and whatever they started, the Model T until now. Yeah, 100 years Car companies have all the resources and they had all the knowledge to build these cars. He came out as an entrepreneur, started PayPal, then he got into the car industry. He's more ahead than those people based off of his mind and his intuition and then putting the right people in place.
Eldar:That's right.
Phillip:So if he does have an anxiety about what's happening, I think he's kind of almost saying, hey, these people have been in charge for a while, I haven't been in charge for this long and I got to this point. The people that are here are so far below how am I going to get them up? But I think he's underestimating the people that are following him, that aren't in the car companies, that can maybe, you know, do other things like this. An example is a podcast or a different type of thinking where maybe, maybe, he's influencing other segments and other industries that he doesn't even know yet. Okay, do you know what I'm saying?
Phillip:He might not realize how big his influence is outside of the things that he's doing Do you think that people can underestimate this about their impact? Do you see that or no? A hundred percent? No, I'm okay. Thank you, I'm good.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, I think they do, I think I think people do. Yeah, for sure, you don't know the ripples of your, how far the ripples go.
Phillip:Ripples is a good His interview put it on my point, but I'm highlighting all the things that he did up to this point and people that look at him. They're like. The way that you appreciate him is like and I think the way that you talked about I think you were a student in the class right, and I think you talked about ripples you were like that one student and your philosophy was it a philosophy?
Eldar:class. Yeah, my philosophy professor said yeah.
Phillip:The way that you talk about that I think you actually talked about it like ripples. And the way that you talked about that? Was that like that actually stuck with you and you were the student that, like it hit right? Is that the way you refer to it?
Eldar:The professor said hey, like I asked him, I'm like why are you not in Harvard, or stuff like that.
Phillip:Yes, yes, that's the example.
Eldar:He goes Eldar, you know like those people are going to be all right and you don't know the effect that you're going to have on people.
Phillip:You know what I mean.
Eldar:Yes, yes yes, you can affect one mind. You don't have to affect all these people. You don't know how far that's going to go. And I was like, oh shit, yes, how Like, if it's helping, this is not my only effect, this is my professor's effect.
Phillip:So think about that, right. So think about a guy like him who has all these tens of millions, maybe hundreds or even billions of people paying attention to him yeah, Whether they're financially invested or just educationally invested and they're listening to him, the level of ripple that he has is like astronomical right.
Mike:Astronomical. So when?
Phillip:he's saying, hey, you're making a great point is that he might have some sort of anxiety towards a certain situation where he feels like he has to be the guy. But once, I think, he starts to realize the magnitude, the impact that he's already had and the impact, he might be able to relax a little bit and just focus on one thing.
Eldar:And I think that's one of the reasons why he has a little bit of a problem. Yeah, he suffers sometimes with a turmoil in his mind.
Phillip:Understandably. So Right, yes, just think of like now that they unpacked it right the pressure is huge.
Phillip:Yeah, exactly. So he's saying there's like depressional elements, right, that they unpacked about the ketamine prescription and now you got to put it into perspective, he's one of the richest people that we know on earth, right? He's created all these things. He has all these pressures to meet with certain people, have certain expectations to shareholders, and then you're realizing, wait, this type of mind. I understand why somebody like this would be kind of on edge about having to deliver, having to feel a certain way about I'm looked at a certain way to certain people. I have to deliver, but it's like wait. If you actually realize the impact that you're having on so many people, you can maybe relax a little bit, focus on maybe one thing, versus having to maybe be the jack of all trades and like all these companies and I think when, to your point, when he's starting to realize all this, he might be able to relax.
Phillip:Yeah, okay, take his foot off the gas and then realize, like my impact is having these ripples already, but maybe I don't see them, and then, or enjoy them, and then, yeah, exactly, actually I'm able to enjoy the first year label more, yeah, yeah.
Eldar:Well, because he's up against what? Something even greater? Right, preserving the consciousness. Because he sees what type of humans we are. Right, he sees that we create war. He understands what we understand, yeah, that because there's so many differences we're going to get into war and we're going to try to eliminate ourselves. Yeah, potentially, you know. So he's trying to preserve consciousness. You know what I mean. But I think that's a paranoid take. Yeah, paranoid take, yeah, but don't Without knowing. Like, if he knew what was after death and the way the soul travels and stuff like that, or reincarnates, or if it doesn't, you know life after death and stuff like that. If he knew those answers, I'd be maybe more siding with him on this topic. But being paranoid, I'm not sure if that's necessarily conducive to his health.
Phillip:I think it'd be very, very difficult to be in a position that he's in, with not having paranoia, I think, when you get to that point of putting yourself in a position where you're so well-known. He's not a behind-the-scenes guy, no, he's hands-on.
Eldar:No, he's a guy.
Phillip:He's a guy that's very hands-on, that I was reading or I saw an interview on him where he was saying that he doesn't even have an assistant or he kind of makes his own schedule where, like, certain people would be like very organized and be like yo, I have this meeting here he's. He's seems like he takes kind of the bull by the horns and he wants to be his own guy in all on all senses. Where where, like, like that, that's almost creating a sense of this overwhelming kind of pressure to be this type of person to his not only his shareholders but fans and people who look up to him. He's almost becoming a larger than life figure and I think when you set yourself up for that, I think paranoia is almost synonymous with that type of figure, Does that?
Eldar:make sense to you. It does make sense to me, but I'm not sure if it has to be. You know what?
Phillip:I mean no, no, no, I'm not saying it has to be, but I'm saying you know what?
Eldar:When I was watching that and when I realized that this is what he's going through, even though I was Like I wished almost for him to be immune to that.
Phillip:Yeah, but didn't you know what I mean? But did you see what I'm seeing in that interview, though, or no? Yeah, Because 100%. How big of a hurdle he's put in, and I think it's admirable, but I understand all the tribulations that he's dealing with.
Eldar:I actually think that he should stay away from these types of interviews because he's actually not good enough to face them in such a way where he has self-respect shown throughout every question.
Mike:Agreed.
Eldar:Because only at the end he was able to get the control back and really say like yo, what the fuck is going on here? I don't like this. You have a time limit and that's it. Yeah, you know what I mean. You should stay away from this.
Phillip:But don't you think, based off of where he's at now let's pull back public perception and you have public shareholders what is the advantage of him going out and just saying anything? Let's say he's 100% self-respect. He can handle the situation like he did at the end the whole interview. But even if he could do that, I don't see any advantage where, like if he?
Eldar:has a true no. I'll tell you why. I think that he has maybe a moral responsibility to come out and reassure individuals that you know, like he's good, that everything's good and that his moral compass is intact.
Phillip:But you think he only owes people that because there's a public perception? No, I don't think he owes it.
Eldar:I think that he he feels that it's would be good for the people, which is which is noble and honorable, obviously. But, I don't think he's obligated to do so.
Phillip:But the way that I look at it, if he was truly just about wanting to preserve consciousness and he has the mind to affect all the people that he's working with to get to that point to create this thing of life on Mars and doing all the things that he wants to do, I don't think I need to see his face at all. Just true, Like, like. The way that I look at it is that like, if, if I'm every time I'm looking at Elon if he does an interview, it's because he wants to do the interview. He doesn't. He doesn't owe it to me. He has to do is deliver on what he says he's going to deliver and, like, make it economical uh, dalai lama once said.
Eldar:He said, um, they're like hey, how do you take care of yourself and stuff like that. Why do you take care of yourself? Anyway, he said, I take vitamins and I take care of myself because a lot of people rely on me and a lot of people look up to me. Yes, if I die early, they might not know what to do.
Eldar:Ah, yeah, so, so in that you know, yeah, so in that, if it's a reliance on people, then I understand a lot of people look up to him, so I understand a lot of people are tied to him and a lot of people really are dependent on him.
Phillip:But but that's that's then.
Eldar:That's a different pressure, because there's no, no, no, this is a real pressure no, no, there's a pressure on.
Phillip:We're talking about his vision and what he wants to accomplish. Yeah, but then there's also another pressure of all the people that that are are under him, that do rely on him, to for everyday life, correct?
Eldar:and and I think that's a very hard fucking life to live, if you're cognizant of that but don't you then have an understanding and like a sympathy or an empathy for him? No, I don't, because I actually believe something else. This is where I challenge you.
Phillip:Lamar. So where's the challenge in that though?
Eldar:the challenge is that I actually believe that you are the shit, that you are the shit, like you are the being that we should be. Everybody should look up to themselves. Like we should not idolize Elon Musk, we should not idolize anyone, but that's Anastasia's philosophy, where we're human and everything that's installed in us is actually the greatest.
Phillip:We just have to tap into it Well, okay, so in that right Right.
Eldar:I don't feel bad for the individuals that are actually tied to him. No, no, no, no, no.
Phillip:Yeah, I don't either. He might feel bad. The way that he's saying is that I want everybody to be judged on their integrity and their skills. I think that he's such a larger than life figure where he can have a certain belief system, but I think it's hard for people not to almost gravitate towards him because he's such a larger than life figure. How do you separate, as somebody who's working for Elon right, yeah, and saying like I'm like, looking at his mind as like this genius type figure? How do you separate that and say, hey, I'm empowered, I'm a great person? Does that come down to his leadership skills, coming down on me and how he influences me and how he runs his company? Do you think?
Mike:I think that's how you are. I think about elon musk is that he has a probably the suffering of staying in his own lane, and because staying in your lane is your own empowerment of yourself and not having to worry about others. You know, I think those people that he's kind of like you know fighting for or what he's saying is like that are relying on him. Yeah, he almost is like solidifying their dependence by giving them what you're saying Instead of letting them be empowered on their own.
Mike:So he doesn't trust them. He feels like he's obligated to play this role in their lives, but that takes away from their own ability to be their own independent guys.
Phillip:So an example would be Elon comes into the factory one day, everybody's going to be like on their best behavior and be like yo, elon's coming, but like the way that I would understand it is that like he's like. When I'm saying larger than life figure, if you're, if you see like a Bezos, you see like a must, come into your company and you work for one of these companies, I can't imagine that the dynamic is the way that we described it, as me and you were in the office, you're the CEO and you're the owner of this company, and the way that I'm interacting with you and the way that we're having conversations is that like I'm feeling that I'm more empowered on a day to day basis Now it's hard to do when you have 20,000 employees.
Phillip:Okay, so we have a. We have a few employees, it's easier to do it here.
Phillip:Yeah, but in the 10 20 employee company. So the challenge that he faces is going into this company and being a rock star is actually playing against uh him because it's putting more pressure on him because these people are less empowered. You're empowering us as individuals in a smaller company to be ourselves and it puts I would right, would I say less pressure on you to then have to do like more where, in an instance where if totally, as a sales manager and he's teaching me another salesperson that'd be better at sales, it's less pressure on you to say, hey, I don't have to really focus that much on sales, I can do more outside things because I trust totally, totally is giving me something, and then you can give more time things because I trust Tully Tully is giving me something and then you can give more time to maybe helping Mike and working on production. That's an example.
Phillip:Let's say, in Elon's example he is saying, hey, I got this big company and there's all these holes and once one hole is plugged they got to go to another one. It's like wait, do I trust the T, do I trust the totally manager to plug this hole? And if I don't, I have to go on on location. How are people going to perceive me? Are they going to look at the manager like a joke once I walk in and like are they just going to pretend that the last couple of months of training was all a joke, because now that I'm in, whatever I say goes like, so does that undermine the managers and the leaders that he's appointing? Because once he comes in, is everybody just looking at him as like the true guide.
Eldar:It depends on what they're learning at that moment, yeah, what it is that needs to be transferred to them.
Phillip:Yeah, so wouldn't it be harder, like if you were Elon Musk? Right now you're coming into your company and you have like this big persona, you have like this type of image and status to the public persona and when people walk in, I couldn't imagine that people are able to separate Elon Musk the way that we see him, to, like the employee, the owner or manager Elon Musk, like, when you look at him, you have to think that he's almost like a rock star or celebrity if he worked there. No, wouldn't you think that's hard to separate both? That's the problem.
Phillip:I think, that's why I'm saying it's harder for Musk and the employees to Mike Sang. Those people are probably looking at him as more of the answer and they're probably less empowered than me in this company. Now I feel very empowered at a smaller company than being at a company. The last company I was at had 6,000 plus employees. Yeah, I felt like a fucking Absolute nobody, yeah, and nobody cared about me. Yeah, yeah, at this company, you're telling me right now that you think that if Elon Musk is like the answer, you're the most less empowered, like you have no empowerment.
Eldar:Yeah Right, yeah, you're the most less empowered, like you have no empowerment. Yeah right, yeah, potentially yeah, potentially yeah, but it depends on the culture and depends on all the things that it's that's installed there.
Eldar:I can't 100% speak on it, but I would say that it was probably difficult you know we're making like a hypothetical based off of what we think yeah, and I think that he's probably having a hard time um passing down the message of the mission that he's trying to accomplish right, sustainable future, right, going to Mars, protecting humankind, right and all this other stuff.
Mike:Yeah, but also with that. Yeah, what you're saying is also like he's also worried. What he's worried about, that people are going to, you know, annihilate themselves, I guess, right Like we're going to exhaust all the resources on earth. It's also hard to then to send a powerful, empowering message over that belief system. Yeah, you know, it is it might be. It might be harder, it might not work in your favor to then pass that message. It's like, in a way, you're saying like one sentence you're kind of giving up hope on humanity.
Eldar:I almost disagree with him a little bit, because he wants to go to Mars, while I want to stay here. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's my belief system is heaven is here on earth, like I wholeheartedly believe this. Well, once you realize that, you're, but I'm a philosopher, he's an engineer. Yeah, I think it's two different things.
Phillip:Yeah, but but with the way I try to engineer the mind, he engineers the external so, so, yeah, the way that I look at that is that, like, yeah, if, if, if you have that philosophy of I can do this on another planet, why did you not do it here yet? Is that what you're saying correct?
Eldar:so, like, so I, I think of ideas of um I used to grandiose, like thinking a little bit like too much I used to watch these videos on um I forgot.
Phillip:I don't think mr g or mr karma is gonna allow that so this guy, this guy's name was like, um, it was um, let me put your name.
Eldar:His name is like Jacques, something yeah, jacques Fresca, do you know this guy? I know this guy from James the Venus Project, the Venus.
Phillip:Project. He created his own little thing. This is an example that came to my mind, so I remember I used to watch this guy, jacques Fresca. He was in Florida and he had this place. I looked it up, it was called the Venus Project and he created this environment of like a sustainable community Florida and he had this place. I looked it up, it was called the Venus Project and he created this environment of sustainable community for every person to live is where I think the idea was like they were focused on renewable resources.
Eldar:Everything Sustainable community.
Phillip:Where they would use the water in a certain way.
Eldar:Recycle everything, recycle everything. Food all that shit. Sustainable community. Sustainable community where they would use the water in a certain way, recycle everything.
Phillip:They would recycle everything, right, yes, food all that shit so I heard these these topics for the first time and I thought it was interesting. I think it was the director who did Peter Joseph, I don't know. He did a documentary called the Zeitgeist a couple of different ones did you ever hear of these?
Eldar:I've heard of.
Phillip:Zeitgeist, yeah, okay, I've never seen it, so I've seen all of them, and he's a director, he's an author, he's like a speaker, and Jacque Fresco was part of I think one or two of the documentaries. Yeah, and I think they eventually had a falling out. But the point was they got together because he was challenging what capitalism is and how, if they actually really wanted to get better, why don't we actually put the resources into things that can actually make it better? And he came to the conclusion that the way that capitalism really works is he was breaking down the money system and he was talking about how money can just be kind of created out of thin air in the banking system with the Federal Reserve, and how capitalism works. Is that it? You know, it's not really about making a better product. It's really about creating something that that, um, you know, some people can have and some people can't, and the richest people are supposed to get rich. It's not about making the better product. It's about making people, people rich, not making the, the, the product, better.
Phillip:So he's like okay, if we created an environment where we're a resource-based economy, right, everybody looks at what every country has in like okay, oil, water, okay, all these types of things and everybody has a certain thing and everybody brings something to the table. What would that look like? And Jacque Fresco had an example of? We have all the resources here for everybody to live a great life. If we all did this, he created this place and I'm looking at it, I'm like, okay. So for Elon to go back to, elon is that if he created something and showed an example of a resource-based economy and what it would look like, he has the amount of money to buy up, say, like a certain place in like.
Eldar:Ohio, right, probably a country, A country, okay, and and he can look at.
Phillip:He can look at, say like a city or town, and say hey guys, I'm gonna show you what I can do here and we can maybe replicate it on another planet. I, I think, until you show somebody what it looks like here, um, what wouldn't it be like a little bit of a crazy jump to say like I, I'm going to go to another planet and try to show it, while we're all struggling here, we're in war here, we're in scarcity here?
Eldar:How do you know?
Phillip:you're not going to replicate it up there. So if you don't perfect it here, what are you doing then? To say like I'm going to push it out of there? And I think, if you look at that in a person to person, human perspective, I think it's almost a deflection of saying, hey, I'm not going to deal with my problems here, I'm going to go out here. And I think, if you're a billionaire, I think you may have that perspective of I'm better than everybody else here. Right, I did. I did so many things here where he did contribute he created electric cars, he, you know, invested in paypal, he helped, he helped a lot of people do things that weren't here before. Yeah, I think the mentality might be I'm going to create this next world um over in this place. You guys want to follow me?
Phillip:here make it a little bit more perfect than this to make it more perfect, but it's like wait, we didn't figure out this one yet.
Eldar:So what are we doing? What are we doing, yeah.
Phillip:So do you see it? Do you have a disagreeance in that kind of world? I do, yeah, I do.
Mike:This is the Ramos phenomenon. Yeah, r. Yeah, raman's family phenomenon. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about yes, I do we know, we know this family yeah, you don't have to say family. There's a family that we know. Yeah, they would always move everybody does yeah, everybody does.
Mike:But people move from place to place, thinking like that their life's gonna change, that their problems are gonna like change, that their problems are gonna stay behind because of the environment, because an environment.
Mike:But they get to the place where they're going and still the people are still the same people. Yeah, you know so, because they're the same person, because they're the same person, nothing has fundamentally changed about that person or that family or whatever you know. So, uh, we just know a family that we used to reference before, that I used to reference before, and, uh, it was very funny because they used to move all the time, but still the same characteristics and habits of the people who are in that family. They wouldn't change, but they would change places and in the hopes of something changing. Yeah, which is ridiculous to believe in, and I think maybe what you're saying is, elon Musk is also, uh, thinking that all of a sudden, if we go to Mars, that we're going to become better people and we're going to do the right thing, which is, you know, yeah, I think it's like, I think it's interesting to explore, right, if you have that?
Phillip:I don't have that kind of mind right, If you have that kind of mind where you're an engineer and you can understand, like planetary differences and resources, right, if you identified something on Mars that's not here and you can bring it back here to make us better. But I think when you start to explore setting up life in Mars I saw him ask this question. He said in five or 10 years, we should be able to expect to have life on this other planet. Which, if that is true and you are able to do this, that is an interesting topic to me. But I think also, at the same time, we're asking ourselves like is this an escape from the current reality, or are we able to create something in another place that opens up a different dialogue? Does that make sense or no?
Eldar:Yeah, before we maybe make a comparison, we have to maybe probably understand a little bit more about what Elon's trying to do. I mean, elon talks about preserving consciousness, right, or preserving the human race, or whatever. Yeah, you know what I mean. So he might be under the impression that, hey, look, clark, we need a plan B In case plan A the Earth and the planetary species on planet earth don't figure this out and fuck themselves over. Yeah, we need a plan b.
Eldar:You know what I mean, um, but there's a lot of question, outstanding questions out there that like um, or assumptions um that he's making um to create, do certain actions that might not even be conducive to that. You know what I mean. Like Nanabi might be smart or it might be just a waste. You know, like he's under the impression that, like, okay, cool, if human race is completely wiped out, how does he know that life does not start somewhere else, some other planet again? You know what I mean. Like if you knew how everything started in the first place, then maybe you can answer that question. But because you don't right um, why make that assumption? Why? Why work and and put so much effort into it, um to preserve humanity in such a way?
Phillip:yeah, yeah, I think it's. Yeah, it's it coming from from where I'm at, I think, yeah, it's really hard to understand and obviously, yeah, unless you have a, like a one-on-one conversation with him and really break down his mind. But I think, based off of interviews and where his company's at and how he talks, I'm under the assumption that he wants to go to another place to preserve consciousness and saying that where we're at now in Earth, I'm taking that as we're not going to succeed as a planet and that he wants to set up an alternative, just in case. So, if that is your project, I think it's fun. I think it's fun, I think it's interesting.
Phillip:Yeah, but I think also, at the same time, if you didn't prove it out here, how, how, like, what is going to be different up there? Because, yeah, if you believe in consciousness, we're just going to keep killing ourselves. Yeah, if you believe in consciousness, right, yeah, the consciousness from earth is going to carry over to mars. Yeah, like, if you believe in, like, we're not in a different galaxy, we're going from planet to planet. So if you believe in matter energy can't be created or destroyed right, just like a basic principle of physics right? So if we go from a planet to another planet, all the problems and all the things that we're bringing with us.
Phillip:We're bringing with us so you are not just taking people and minds to another place. You are, then, taking the responsibility of all this energy and, like all this, you are creating a God-like environment where you're the leader and you're taking us to another place. What is the expectation level? The expectation level in Mars should be extremely low. Yeah, and what I was saying to Mike is that, unless as an engineer or a physics person or somebody who's educated on saying, hey, if there's a resource on Mars that you can identify and then bring back to Earth to help us, I think that's extremely valuable.
Phillip:Yeah, but to say that we're going to do the same thing we're doing here over there, but just be on a different planet. What is the difference?
Mike:That's a very good question. I don't understand the difference, unless he believes the thing that it may not take, we might not have enough lifetimes on this planet before we exhaust it to actually reach that enlightenment. Okay, the next state of consciousness say that again if he believes that people are not able to level up here on this planet before the planet gets, before we hammer it oh, oh, like you're, you're saying like, uh, like the, the, the natural, like lifetime of earth.
Mike:Yeah, like you know, like we, a lot of times we say maybe not in this lifetime, but maybe in the next we can reach enlightenment or reach that understanding.
Phillip:You'd have to be of the belief system that Earth is going to be destroyed before Mars. Then right.
Mike:He might believe that, yeah, if he's trying to preserve, he's trying to help people to finally get to that in line, so people, the general population is in line, then maybe that's his reason. But I can't speak to that, I don't know.
Phillip:But I'm just saying like when people talk about their interest in, like, taking a flight to go to Mars or something like that. I have zero. Like I'm a curious person.
Eldar:But when I think about this, I'm like yo yeah, we're talking.
Phillip:going back to our examples, we're talking about staying in our lane. Okay, respecting another person understanding human to human interaction.
Phillip:I'm saying I'm like not smart. Yeah, there might be other people that maybe consider themselves not smart at all. There might be people that consider themselves geniuses. When I'm looking at like people and like how we're interacting on the planet, what we created so far, where we're at, to think about this, I'd have to be like one of the dumbest people on the planet. Wow, talking about because we, the way that I interpret this type of behavior would be like. This planet would have to almost be like a zen, perfect place where there's no hunger, yeah, there's no racism, there's nobody like like fighting. We're all in one and we're all like hey guys, harmony, yeah we just had a meeting all the same each other, we just had a meeting.
Phillip:We're all in harmony and like there's a couple planets out there. Yeah, you guys want to like, you guys want to travel together as like a human race. You guys want to do this. Yeah, dude, will you just show me a video of people shooting up people in a mall? Yeah, exactly, we're in 2024 bro yeah disagreements do you understand we're?
Eldar:on a level, the next time you go to the mall.
Phillip:You just might get yes level of disagreement. Where people are in the mall, innocent people are getting killed. Innocent people are in this mall getting shot. That's what I'm saying, as beautiful as Elon's brain can be. At the same time, do we have to ask the question is it premature to go to different places before taking care of the everyday problems that we have here? That has to be a question, right?
Eldar:100%, and I think that he's doing a pretty good job of trying to fix it here as well. I don't think that it's just. No, I don't think his efforts is only solely just on getting it to Mars. No, I think they are. There's a pretty big chunk of it, but he is trying to fix shit here as well. You know what he's trying. I like, I don't think he's a bad person, I just think he's. He's trying a lot he's, but we have to question it though.
Eldar:Well, in philosophy, I think, we have to question it all. We have to question it?
Phillip:Yeah for sure. Well, I'm not even talking element and talking to him, talking about him as a human being, and we're trying to anticipate what his brain and his anxiety excuse me, his anxiety is anticipating Towards all the things that he's creating and that he's a part of, and I would think that some of these things may be premature.
Eldar:Fine, and I think that he'd be open to a conversation like this.
Phillip:to let you kind of pick his brain and then he'd be like yo, philip, what are you talking about? I'd be like, sorry, I'm not ready to confront yet. So Anatoly, mike and Eldar are going to do the confrontation part.
Eldar:I was just curious about this and I thought this, I'm not fighting back.
Phillip:Yeah, yeah he. And I thought, yeah, I'm not fighting back. Yeah, he's like yo what's happening and I'm like yo, listen, I bought Tesla. I got my mom to do it after a little bit. I believe in your company, Don Lemon, I can't, I can't have you confront me right now because I don't have the confrontation skills, but I am learning them from my sales manager, anatoly. Yeah, is this fair?
Eldar:or no, it is fair. I mean, that's honest and I think he can appreciate honest. He can appreciate. I think he has a level of sense of humor as well, and then I would want to do a bump of K with him.
Phillip:Can I say that?
Eldar:A bump of K. Can I say this or no?
Phillip:Yeah, you can say this why not? Okay, so ketamine for me.
Phillip:Oh, you've, and ketamine so the way that he does ketamine, the way that it's prescribed to him. I don't know if he gets an injection or I don't know how they do this, but the way that you would do it is you would get liquid, you would cook it up and you would smidook it together into a powder and you would go out and you would smidook it in a jar. What jar? You put it in a jar, like an actual glass jar in powder.
Phillip:You'd go out and you'd put it on your hand and you would schmadook it and it was like a psychedelic kind of high and when you go out to a club or you go out to a place to dance. You would do this and it would be like next level. You'd do this with ecstasy or other drugs and complementary and it would take you to new levels. So like when he said ketamine and I heard this there's people out there that would be like yo, like special K and ketamine.
Eldar:How is he doing it?
Phillip:Is he just? Taking tablets or is he snoring this bitch? I want to understand Like there's a place in me where back in the day, See Don.
Eldar:Lemon could have fucking asked that. He didn't even fucking ask that fucking idiot.
Phillip:Are you snorting it or are you just taking a tablet? I'm telling you right now that the level of curiosity that people have in Elon Musk ketamine intake is massive, because what happens right now is I don't know if you know this, but in the therapy world, what's happening right now is that it's socially acceptable or you're able, or have the opportunity to get ketamine prescribed to you or take mushrooms in these environments.
Phillip:Microdosing yeah, no no, no, no, no. Microdosing is one way to do it, but there's environments that you actually go to a place as a therapist.
Eldar:Okay, you sit down on a couch and you lay down and you take ketamine or you take mushrooms.
Phillip:In an environment that's controlled, You're sitting down. You're high, In the case of mushrooms, for hours. In the case of ketamine, maybe for a little lesser amount, but it could be half hour to 12 hours. Mushrooms could be fucking eight hours, bro. It could be a long time. Exactly the way that these places are. I don't know what they're called. I've seen some videos on them. My friends have shown me, but I don't know if they're legal or they're actual like physicians or therapists or whatever they may be. But the way that ketamine is talked about now compared to what I was understood of what it was in the party community.
Eldar:Is that now?
Phillip:you can take this thing. It's a, it's a, it's a horse or a cat tranquilizer. Okay, this is what the drug is, yeah, but when you take it in a certain dose, they're saying that it can cure depression or it can help, um, certain types of, you know, mental instability. That's my understanding now. So instead of having to take it in a party environment and kind of guess what the outcome is, they're saying hey, you can come sit on a couch and have a trained professional kind of observe your brain frequency, kind of how you behave, and then have a conversation with you after this is for mushrooms, this is for ketamine.
Phillip:There may be other drugs also. Understanding, if you're in that community and you have Elon Musk, one of the biggest, most popular people in the world get called out for having a ketamine prescription. In my head I'm saying, wait, ketamine has a prescription. How do you get a ketamine prescription? And also, what does that mean? Because ketamine to me is an illegal drug that is only prescribed to horses and cats. How does humans get now prescribed to this? How?
Eldar:do horses and?
Phillip:cats get it prescribed to them and they're like what does this mean for? A billionaire type guy, and is that going to open up a new conversation to then have us people then say, hey, wait, what does it mean to Elon Musk? How does this actually benefit, and what type of studies are getting attached to this drug where this guy actually believes that it can cure depression or actually even out his depression?
Eldar:I think it's interesting.
Phillip:So for somebody who used to party with it to now saying, hey, a billionaire who's considered one of the smartest people in the world can now even out their depression what type of correlation Is it true, I think? If he actually elaborated on that conversation, yeah, I think it'd be interesting. I'd like to know more information about.
Eldar:You want to. You just want to see whether or not it checks out the shit that you used to take equals to the shit that he's taking not to uh not to get anybody uh really excited, but like the way that I look at this, this whiskey that we're drinking, this Japanese whiskey.
Phillip:I'm going to say a name, like when you're doing a drug like that, like this, is keeping me in control, where I feel like a human being.
Phillip:That when I was doing that Makes you look like a cat or an animal, like when you're doing that, when there's music playing and you're in a great environment and you're having a good time, like. I remember there was a situation I was down in the hamptons, I was in long island and dj boris was one of my favorite yeah, it's either dj boris or dj choose. Choose was playing and we were in a place and I remember I did the ketamine and I was looking around and I, I, I in my head I was saying to myself I'm experiencing God right now. Oh, and it was one of those where everything around me was connected. It was one of those like spiritual the way that people talk about it.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Phillip:And I felt it in that moment. I didn't know what was happening, I didn't know who I was, I was a total idiot. But in that moment, my brain, or my body, was telling me I'm experiencing God in this moment. I think it's the way that I heard people talk about why they're addicted to heroin.
Eldar:Of course, Every drug, they say this. Every drug, they say this the pure ecstasy. What is that called MDMA?
Phillip:Think about where people are.
Phillip:You're essentially lost If you're allowing a drug to take you to that place. But I think there's something interesting in taking you to that place. But that's why it's even more interesting to me that if it's getting prescribed to somebody who's considered this intellectual, business magnet type guy, what kind of benefit does Elon Musk have from this drug that the party going community is experiencing? And where is the like? Where are we meeting in the middle and saying hey, elon's like, hey, listen, if you take it in this kind of dose in a controlled environment, it actually does X, y, z. I think that's interesting.
Eldar:It is interesting, I agree. I want to hear this. Yeah, you want a testimony.
Phillip:Like I'd like to hear what his philosophy is on. He's getting a prescribed yeah Whoa.
Eldar:Whoa, yeah, imagine if somebody I was trying to fucking go to the alleys of fucking New York City, fucking what is it called Washington Heights, to get this shit Right.
Phillip:Imagine if Bill Gates came out and said hey guys, like I'm doing, ecstasy prescribed yeah.
Eldar:I'm being made, prescribed, I'm doing heroin prescribed.
Phillip:And like wait. It's like wait, wait, wait. I'm not getting prescribed but I'm doing it. And it feels dirty, but like Bill Gates is doing it and if I do it in the way that he does it am I able to. I could create IBM. Am I able to do something different? Yes, I think that needs to be a conversation. No for sure, at the very least if he can tell you what he's feeling and then other people can tell you what they felt.
Eldar:See, I'm not sure if Elon Musk is trying to take it for the reasons of just taking it and finding out. He's saying that specifically the reason why he's taking it is because he's feeling depressed and all of a sudden it becomes like a storm in his head where he feels down about life, yes, and that he's negative about things, but so he wants to bring his mood up, to level it out. Okay, agreed, so I'm not sure if he's partying.
Phillip:No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that there had to be a situation where somebody he is not an idiot, right, yeah, he, that Special K was known as a party drug and then somebody had to tell him hey, elon, if you take this drug this way, it can do this so who told him that? What did they tell him? I want to know that.
Eldar:Yeah, okay.
Phillip:What got Elon to go from Special K as a party drug to Special K as a thing that you can take as a prescription For depression, as depression, and who convinced him of that? And what studies did he? Special K is a party drug to special K is a thing that you can take as a prescription as depression. And who convinced him of that and what studies that he believed? I want to know those studies. Yeah, is that fair or no? It is fair.
Eldar:Yeah, a hundred percent. I want to know that A hundred percent. But why do you want to know that? Because what's what's the? Not a plain field here.
Phillip:I'm probably not going to take it, but it's one of those like maybe curiosity killed the cat, but I do want to know the information because, as the information itself, first off, I think it would just be interesting for the podcast to talk about, because I have a good amount of experience with being an idiot and pointing and I think it's just fun to know, like, what he thinks about something that I considered like a part of my life.
Eldar:That was totally a disaster, which he's actually using. Yeah, but he's definitely not using it the way you did. Did you even know how many milligrams you took, for example? No, not at all Exactly. They measure this shit for him. Yeah, they say, okay, you got to take micro dosing. Probably right, one milligram, whatever the fuck that is, you know?
Phillip:Yeah, I still think like uh an explanation would be fun for me, so maybe it's more fun. Yeah, yeah, okay, fine, yeah, it could be fun staying online.
Eldar:What's the final thoughts? Did we get anywhere with this shit?
Mike:yeah, I think we did, we did, I think we did. Yeah, um, I mean me personally. Yeah, you got some clarity.
Mike:Yeah mean, I've been on this, like you know, staying in only thing for a while because I've been experiencing pain from it for a while, from not doing it, from not doing it, yeah.
Mike:So I do think it's very important and I do, now that we spoke about it, more I understand how not staying in only where lane, where it's coming from, and how not empowering it is by getting into that thing, always relying on somebody else, expecting something from somebody else, wanting to be that hero role how detrimental it could be to your own self-development, your own growth. And ultimately, probably the biggest thing was just empowerment, which is we're all trying to get to so we can, yeah. Empowerment is just like another way of saying like, hey, I'm in control of my life, I take responsibility for the good, yeah, and I take responsibility for the bad, yeah. And by not staying your own lane, you offset, you delay that ability to take responsibility. You always point the finger like, oh, he's a jerk, instead of saying hey, I'm not actually seeing the truth for what it is, I'm not being empowered.
Mike:Because I think when you do, if you genuinely are able to say like, hey, in the situation I was wrong, I'm not seeing the truth for what it. Is this person not competent in this area? Instead of like blaming somebody, it's a totally different narrative. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I think ultimately, empowerment is also taking is is like empowerment is like you feel like you can do anything, you can achieve a a lot, but it's also which sounds good, but it's also taking responsibility for the things where you did go wrong and wanting to improve them. I think that's two sides of empowerment where you feel like you know you want to do the right thing, you can do the right thing, you know you have the power behind you to live a virtuous life and to live in accordance with truth. But it's also saying, like those times where you didn't, it was also you, and then I, you would like to change something about that.
Mike:For me, at least, you know you wholeheartedly believe this absolutely. Yeah, well, yeah, well, more and more, as I'm, you know, bumping my head and hitting my head on the ignorance train. Yeah, I have to. I have to because I know that I'm responsible because I didn't act according to the truth in the times that I should have, and then that's that's why I suffer that consequence of being upset, being angry, being mad, not being rational, not logical, you know. So, yeah, I definitely believe that. Well, you now am I going to believe that in the moment when I become emotional, maybe not?
Eldar:Maybe not, not always I'd like to.
Mike:I'd like to try my best to do that at all times. Good, but I'm human, yeah, you know, and I know that I can't always foresee things and do things right as I'd like to.
Eldar:But You're human up until you become God, that's for sure.
Mike:But I also believe that the ups and downs of life, you know the good and the bad. If you know that it's your, you kind of set your destination to figure it out. You know that those things are coming. You know you're not going to get surprised for too long. You may initially get surprised, but you know your own condition and your own thing that you're going through. Um, you know there's going to be. It's not a straight line.
Phillip:It goes up and down.
Mike:It goes up and down, you figure something out and you tumble for a little bit, but you learn the lesson and you get up and you keep going and that's life. You know that is life, yeah, okay.
Phillip:I used to love, I used to love roller coasters, feeling emotions like up and down, like I used to feel like when I think it's the way that you guys describe like a, like a, like a idea from Tommy right, like when he gets inspired, yeah, and he'll come over and like have this. Yeah, I remember like, and I'll still experience it today Like you got a song, you get something that brings you to like such this, like this high, yeah, where then, from that point, you feel like you can act, you can do something, yeah, and I don't. I don't feel those as much, really as consistent, because on a day to day, you're realizing that like those ups and downs and like those highs are just as a result of, like you, not being empowered and you're allowing these, these, these outside things to really influence you and control your mood, where then it makes sense why you need coffee, you need a cigarette, you need these things to kind of balance you out, because you're allowing this outside thing.
Phillip:Um, but I just remember like, um, I'm thinking about it, and I'm thinking about it now, it's like the the smallest thing could irritate me also. Yeah, and I'm thinking about it now, it's like the smallest thing could irritate me also. Yeah, so you were on both sides of the spectrum, yeah, like where that smallest thing can influence you. Or you're like, oh, that song or that girl, the way she smelled, the way I talked to her.
Phillip:It made me feel so good, but then also, at the same time, I can wake up and like I don't know a small thing, you can bump your leg I don't know something like that when you're walking to the shower, and then you can carry that for like the whole day and be like, oh, I put my leg and because I bump my leg like it's because of last night and like I don't just like you go through this crazy, stupid, like illogical kind of pattern.
Phillip:Yeah, and I think when, when you're in that world I'm looking back at it, it's a a really, really scary place to be and I understand a lot of people are in that position and then I understand, if somebody acts that way, I can almost see that pattern.
Eldar:Yeah, you foresee it.
Phillip:They're so easily irritated and irritable for the smallest things. And where before I'd be like yo, why is this person upset? Now I'd be like I understand why this person is upset.
Eldar:What's going on?
Phillip:Because their life is ruled by emotions and not by truth, because once you'd make that shift and you allow yourself to be, you know, humbled and you understand that you did these things wrong, yeah, you, you put yourself on a certain path that the the bigger things matter and those smaller things, kind of like, fall to the wayside and you're like okay, um, those things that ruled me before, they don't, they don't matter as much, yeah, and uh, yeah, like, uh, yeah, I it's.
Phillip:it's only to me, like now that we're talking about it, that I'm looking at examples for myself of, like, what used to happen. But I'm thinking about those and they feel so long ago, but they were probably only like a year ago, maybe two years ago, like not very, very long. Yeah, yeah. And once you're like almost caught up in doing like a new thing or surrounding yourself with a new group of people, for me I almost forgot about that part of myself.
Eldar:That's a new identity.
Phillip:Yeah, I guess in a sense, it's really good, because I think what that would mean is that I healed and I grew from that person and I can actually look back at that person as a different thing or a different entity.
Eldar:Would you say you died?
Phillip:Yeah, in that sense, like you died in a sense. Yeah, it's kind of like. It's kind of weird where, like I think, if somebody interacted with me now that knew me before, I think they would say like I'm different 100%. Yeah, I think they'd say I'm different 100%, and then I'm also, but then as me, as the individual, being like the vessel, I'm looking at, like where I'm at now, and then I'm looking at my disparity, let's say, just in sales. There's so much more to do.
Phillip:I'm looking at, I'm taking a class in something I'm enjoying. I'm 38 years old and I'm in a beginner class. Yeah, and I don't even know what's going on. I didn't even learn technique yet. I'm on the basis and I'm like wait, the way that I pictured a 38 year old ad in life is that he's multi-millionaire, he's in love, he has kids he has a house, he loves his job and like everything's hunky-dory and like the world is beautiful.
Phillip:I'm like yo I'm a fucking balding 38 year old guy. I have to worry about my metabolism and my weight. I'm like yo I'm a fucking balding 38-year-old guy. I have to worry about my metabolism and my weight. Right, I'm trying to figure out what I like. I don't know who I am. Yeah, I don't have anybody that I love yet, and I'm trying to figure out what I love in life.
Phillip:The paradox of things is crazy, right, and I'm like yo. What kind of person am I? But I'm like myself. There you go the paradox of it. Have you described? Have you shown me a picture of me now? And you and I just described myself the way that I described myself five years ago. Yeah, but yo, this guy's a loser. Yeah, I would not like myself. Yeah, but the irony is I, I don't care as much what other people think, because I think if I said I don't care about what people think at all, I think it would be a lie, because I think it's really really difficult to say I don't care what people think, because, at the end of the day, as much as your mom, your dad and people that maybe even grow apart from that you grew up with, if I really really ask myself, I do want people to like me and I do want people to accept and support me.
Eldar:Well, listen, that's the stage of life that we haven't liberated you from.
Phillip:I do, but I'm asking myself, truly, truly, deeply Fine that's not honest with you.
Eldar:But at the end of the day, I'm telling you that everywhere that this is going is going to get to a place where you're not going to give a fuck.
Phillip:You know why.
Eldar:I'm going to tell you right now. Okay, Because the disparity of where some people are at to where you might be going is so vast and so different that you're going to be like yo.
Phillip:There is no chance for them to bridge this gap, so I don't give a fuck what they think about me, and I would say this from where I was to where I'm at now. I would say that it's fair to say that I don't care, but I would say that it's more accurate to say that I don't care as much and I and I think in that there is that seed of like I do almost want to connect with them.
Eldar:That's totally his argument here.
Phillip:And I do want to almost stay there.
Eldar:Totally his argument again and I do want to almost stay there. Totally his argument again. And I think that little part of me you want to save them.
Phillip:Is this, though but this is where you can make the argument is that I'm saying I'm learning a new class and I'm learning something I like, and I'm learning who I am. Once to me the way that I would imagine you talking to me now, if you had your answer, it'd be hey, philip, once you learn how to be on the phone and be who you are, once you do take your class and you become a professional and you do start to love what you do, I don't think you're going to care at all, and I agree with this, because I'm at the seed of figuring out who I am and what I like.
Phillip:Yes, seed of figuring out who I am and what I like, and I think it's almost normal to now be in it. But then to kind of look back slightly and say, hey, from where I was to where I'm at now, the level of connection I have with these people they created me, I grew up with them. Yeah, they shaped my beliefs and my mindset. It's almost like they call it now. I think they call it a trauma bond.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, I've heard of this before. Yeah, so, so the way that I would look at it.
Phillip:Is that like?
Eldar:that's relating to this fucking nonsense?
Phillip:yeah, so that's relatable you grew in like a tornado of nonsense. Yeah, so, even though it was a tornado, you grew. When I got to this point and I have to look back and say, like these people, like they're not irrelevant, like they did bring me here so like there's almost like an appreciation, no chance of like okay, I got here and they they came.
Phillip:But I'm saying, the stage that I'm at now is that I'm learning who I am, I'm learning what I like. These are the people that I grew with and these are the people that I'm growing with. Now there is a disparity, but where I'm at now is that that disparity of who I am and where I was, it's not big enough to get to that person of what you're talking about.
Phillip:So, do you? So my stage of growth is like shit, great, like I'm in like a really good, like I'm not in the quicksand anymore, but like like the sand is coming out of my mouth. I'm in a really good. I'm not in the quicksand anymore, but the sand is coming out of my mouth. I'm spitting it out, but also Tully is throwing a little bit more in my face.
Eldar:And I'm feeling it in my eye. I'm like yo Tully come on.
Phillip:I'm like wait Again. I have some in my mouth, but stop throwing it in my eye. I'm realizing. My forehead is above.
Eldar:So, like my forehead is like above, okay, good, so I can feel that I'm glad that this is happening, but does that make sense?
Phillip:Am I describing it?
Eldar:right in terms of like where I'm at. Yeah, 100%. Okay, yeah, that's good, that's good, but I mean, I'm giving you more of an optimistic view. Is that one day right? I think that the disparity will be big enough for you to see that, like, oh shit, there's no relatability at all between where I was and where I am and there is no connectivity there. Therefore, you're going to be able to be completely objective and no longer subjectively emotional about the things that you've experienced.
Phillip:So what do those people become?
Eldar:NPCs? No, look, you will still have the ability to extend love where you need to extend love. How? Through compassion, through compassion and paying attention. Okay, because right now, I'm going to tell you, right now, you have no patience for these people. None, tommy, was your.
Phillip:Right now I'm going to tell you right now you have no patience for these people.
Eldar:None, tommy was your first example.
Phillip:I love him.
Eldar:Do you understand this? Yeah, I love Tommy. Good, but before he was irking you. Oh, go back to the podcast. Oh, he was pissing you off. Oh, yeah, he was pissing me off.
Phillip:The right, the other, oleg well, I haven't loved Oleg and him yet, because they didn't show me what Tommy showed me yet because you don't have the ability to see it.
Eldar:But the thing is.
Mike:Tommy showed you something that most people might not show you, and especially early on, correct totally showing you these things.
Eldar:you see like. You see like yo. Sales holy shit. Basic life skills holy fuck, terrible. You understand the disparity, you start seeing it, but it only it has basic life skills holy fuck, terrible. You understand the disparity, you start seeing it, but it only it has to take time, it has to take attention for you to finally register certain things about people like this, and then you'll be able to categorize individuals in such a way where you know where to apply what Compassion here, patience here. A hard boundary here because I ain't fucking with you. You here, a hard boundary here because I ain't fucking with you. You know what I mean. And that's where you have self-respect and you'll be like yo, that's you, bro, and that's me. And I think that's where maybe some people might perceive that as arrogance no, no, no, if they don't understand it but some might actually see confidence and you will start attracting a very specific thing. Yeah, I mean, I think that love and all this other stuff comes next.
Phillip:So the way that you described it is that the way that I would do it before was like who do I want to separate and then who do I want to be with?
Eldar:You were very judgmental.
Phillip:It was just a polarity between, like, who do I think I can be around and who not. Well, that was the argument about the reality show Exactly. So the way that you're describing it now is that there's so many different layers to it. Is that like somebody can be actually doing well professionally and not well personally, and you're actually able to make a decision and say, hey, I'm willing to learn from them professionally, but when they're talking personally, I don't?
Eldar:want to hear it.
Phillip:I can almost not want to hear it and I can almost be a state where, like I can joke around with them and I can be silly, opposed to saying hey that person, because personally I don't agree with them. I'm not going to listen to them professionally where now I'm missing out professionally on a skill that they can actually give to me.
Eldar:This is what I was telling you, Mike.
Phillip:Yeah, this is a very long time. This is a big one.
Eldar:This is a big one. I was telling Mike this because Mike wanted to shut himself off, completely off of totally certain times. I said, look, be careful here because, trust me objectively, a lot of times he's good.
Mike:Very good, you see. Oh, I said this myself. I said yo, this guy is a fucking genius. Yes, in here the way he thinks, the way he understands, and he's a complete moron.
Eldar:Everywhere else, he's a complete moron. Everywhere else he's a complete moron. He's the worst of the worst. There you go, Bro. He's picking his butt.
Phillip:It's a huge shot, he's picking his butt and he's smelling it.
Eldar:He's smelling it like this. He's like this. He's like an ape, right, he's like this. He's like throwing his poop On the wall.
Phillip:All of a sudden you ask me like yo agonicals?
Mike:yeah, this guy just understood life, yeah the disparity is huge and I'm like yo wait this guy just picked his buddy, ate it, but then he just, he just flung a fucking life booger at me yeah and I just ate it and I'm like smarter as a result of it and I'm like, wait, I can't dismiss this guy you cannot, you know you can't.
Eldar:I was telling mike. I was giving him the argument like yo you might be missing out.
Mike:You can't, you can, you can't do it. You cannot do it. Oh yeah, I learned that you have to know how to balance this thing.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, remember Mitch, bro. Yeah, we were fucking Mitch, who fucking fried his brain and became an orange from doing too many drugs. You know what I mean? Yeah, to one day, yo, let's go to this place. Yo, I got my CBT card, you know what I mean, he's already like cooked.
Eldar:You know what I mean. He's already on fucking social welfare, bro. He can't function. He's like yo, I got the CBT card. We're about to hook this up and me and Mike and whoever was in the car, we're dying, laughing about everything that was going on. He, I'm trying to help you out. We're like whoa, like what the fuck that's so sick. Here he is, you know, he's like yo, I got the CBT card. I'm about to buy ice cream. Yo, I'm about to treat everybody. What the fuck? Are you laughing? Yeah, you know what I mean. Like he hit us with it. I'm like yo, here we are, Like we're laughing, fuck, you know.
Eldar:Like we appreciated that shit but if you keep a closed mind, you might not be able to catch those moments and appreciate those things where another individual might be like operating out of a very specific thing and they can be geniuses and that shit, almost like autism or asperger's.
Phillip:You know what I mean, yo, you don't see that fucking tell me right now if you have an example of of asperger's or something like that. Totally is not diagnosed, but you can say he has this weird kind of thing about him, 100% the way that I remember. Now in 2019, I don't know if you remember when he came in, he was teaching me on the board, right, he was putting all this stuff up and it didn't translate. No, now we're getting to the point where he's teaching me and now I'm open to it and the way that he's talking to me, I'm listening to the calls and I'm listening to him in a different light, because now I actually believe that I don't know what I'm doing and he does. And now, when he's talking to me and the calls, I'm like yo, this guy actually knows what the fuck he's saying, because he's breaking down the calls. Now, sometimes he does talk about the calls and he over talks and he's saying too much because he actually he likes it so much.
Phillip:You got to be careful. You get arrogant with it. He can, yes, he can, because I'm back there. Yeah, if you guys saw what's happening back there.
Eldar:Yeah, it's a nut factory back there. That's what gets his dick hard, bro.
Phillip:That's what gets his dick hard. It's like an Archie fucking red rocket boner back there bro yo, he is fucking splooging all over himself and it's as going on my face and I'm like yo, I'm cleaning it off at the same time and I'm like all right yo, I'll fuck, I'll take some of it but I'm like this is crazy. Jesus christ, yes this guy's overindulging yeah I'm letting himself. Do it because I'm coming from such a deficit? Yeah, but he knows he can splooge on my face more than probably you and him.
Phillip:Anyways, but like he's doing this, but I realized that there is a disparity between what's happening and before I was coming, probably coming from a place of like yo, okay, this guy's saying whatever he's saying I get it, I get it, I get it.
Phillip:That was not the correct thing. So, as a result of me not learning, maybe he didn't teach it properly, but also, at the same time, I wasn't ready to be a student. So now it took for me, you know, months and months in now I'm at year one and I'm like yo A pandemic three years, you know. Now I'm like yo Like this guy's doing something different. He's being more consistent. One month I have XML. One month I have this. You gotta understand.
Eldar:You got to understand that if you could take his skill and the persistence and discipline of your own understanding of how to do hard work consistently, you can kill it, because he understands the art of conversation. He does not understand how to be disciplined when it comes to structure.
Phillip:Yeah, he's an organizational mess?
Eldar:Yeah, he's an organizational mess. Yeah, he does not know how to have proper fucking things like basic things.
Phillip:Yeah, if I can challenge on the phone, I'm an absolute demon. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, be a demon.
Eldar:Yeah, if you can combine those two, you can be a crazy animal.
Phillip:But he breaks it down into steps, which is good, like when we're on a call and he's like yo, philip, do you have any questions? And now, like he caught me in the beginning where, like then, like I wasn't fully listening.
Eldar:Yeah, he tells me this when you don't listen, he's like yo, he's not being receptive. I'm like all right, well, you gotta be patient.
Phillip:Now I'm listening and now he's asking me questions, and now I'm asking him questions about it. Yeah, and now I'm like, okay, like now I'm starting to pick up so many different rebuttals of so many different conversations. Most of the conversations are pretty much the same, exactly, they're not crazy different, no, right? So now I'm understanding this, I'm understanding his role in it, and then I'm getting curious and I'm asking okay, what are these questions? Because now I'm listening and now I'm hearing them, and now I actually do want to know what the answer is before he actually asked me the question, because I'm actually listening to the conversation. That's right, you actually have context. So now I'm like yo, uh, totally, I did hear him say this. Why did he say this? Now we're having a conversation about it. So now it's just now. It's just not like yo, he's splooging on my face.
Phillip:Yeah, now he's like maybe like pre-coming on my hand a little bit yeah, on your hand yeah, well, I can wipe it off with a napkin, yeah, to be funny, but like, but, but yeah, now, now, like, I think there's more of a better dynamic. Yeah, there's a better dynamic, but there's also more of a teaching moment for, probably him, for for me, yeah, where it probably makes more sense, good.
Eldar:Good.
Phillip:And that's good.
Eldar:That's great If it can translate into into a place where you guys are both happy. You're happy with yourself, you're confident and he's happy that he's able to empower you.
Phillip:I mean, this is what this is all about. But I think that again it goes back to the time dynamic of like, where, when I think I do get it and then it's like you know, a couple of calls go by and then you start to realize it's like yo, how much time needs to go by before this actually really sinks in my mind and how much do I actually, as a person, have to put this into practice myself to make this actually a real habit to make it a thing that just becomes part of who I am, versus just an idea of a thing that I think I'm learning, that I think that I get.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the interesting part. We'll see the transformation With time. We should see it, Obviously. You know what I mean. Like Mike was pleasantly surprised with the conversation, you know, because he was thinking about it for a long time and finally transpired into reality and he got exactly what he wanted out of it. You know what I mean? Yeah, that was fun.
Phillip:That was fun to watch.
Mike:That's why I didn't have to interject anywhere.
Phillip:No.
Mike:I was getting exactly what I wanted.
Eldar:That's right. That's right. You were satisfied, yeah.
Mike:There's nothing else that I needed or wanted or anything.
Phillip:Yeah, it was fun to watch.
Mike:Yeah, good.
Eldar:Good, what about you? Ald a lot. My final thoughts is that staying in your own lane is obviously super important.
Phillip:This is the best whiskey you've ever had in your life.
Mike:But yeah, staying in your own lane it's like not staying in your own lane, it's like a delay of your own self-development and your own empowerment.
Eldar:Yeah, right, yeah Again I can't stray away from what I said earlier is the reason why you don't stay stay in your own lane is because you had some kind of a deficit, right? You kind of want to play up your own ego, your own, like. I'm such a good person here. Here I am coming to your rescue and I'm gonna help. Help you out here with my advice and stuff like that. You know, like, take this.
Mike:I think the way you're saying maybe, but my thought is that you're hoping that you can get your own salvation through somebody else. I agree with that Exactly.
Eldar:Exactly To hold the patience, the necessary time to allow the individual like, for example, you, mike, who was very sensitive for a very long time and I knew that I couldn't be straightforward with some of the things that I had to say to you, because you can crack a joke but you can't take a joke Right. I needed to wait till a moment where you're like yo hit me with it. You know what I mean For me to get the pass to be able to be myself.
Phillip:Oh, it just hit me that. So when you're talking to mike before he was open, right, so mike would be like, okay, like the employee, in the sense of like the elon example and in that he's saying, yo, I have, like, these people like this that are going back and forth, they may not be open, they may not be not. I have to go somewhere else in order to take my mind, in order to make it productive. Like I have to have a mars, I have to have an outlet for myself because, like I'm in this place where, like, I can empower this guy but he may not be ready, I have to like, where else can I put my stuff? I have to go to another planet, like, don't you think that like, like, is that, like in a in a human example of like you have a person right and like our example of like you, you may not be ready to talk to Mike until he's ready to tell you?
Phillip:So in an Elon example, with the resources that he has? So you're saying he's very lonely? Yeah, so is the example of Elon that he has so many resources and he has people at his disposal to kind of help, you know, empower if they wanted to? Is he so lonely that, when he doesn't have these people to kind of enlighten, does he have to then create this alternative reality for himself in order to feel important still? Is that what it?
Eldar:is it's fucking possible?
Phillip:Could that be a possibility? I?
Eldar:hope not. I hope not because I obviously don't wish that for anyone.
Mike:But is that a possibility?
Eldar:An ulterior planet. When there's certain things that I couldn't tell Mike because I knew he was sensitive, I was still able to connect with Mike on many other things, many other things that we were able to relate with one another.
Phillip:But did you okay?
Eldar:So it's not. I wanted to go create something some other world or have other friends and stuff like that to relate with.
Phillip:Okay, okay, but but yeah, okay. So now we're gonna really analyze you as a person. Okay, you have a loving relationship with cat. Okay, as somebody like elon musk now, I don't know if he has. He might have his kids, but I don't think he has no he's been jumping from relationship he was in like a uh with a johnny depp case.
Phillip:He was like having threesomes with like fucking random celebrities. Right when I was in la, okay, back in 2012, 2013, he was known for taking all these girls out from like 20 30 girls and going to dinners and doing all this stuff wow he's like a playboy guy, wow, by definition, from how I understood him.
Phillip:Then he started to get with that um, the artist, the, whatever her name was yeah, yeah, grimes, and then they had a baby, right, yeah, and they were going back and forth and then I was on the understanding that his love life is very up and down and he does not have a consistent love life.
Phillip:Yeah, so he's not one of these guys that, like you, the way that you talk about love and the relationship that you have with Kat I see in person.
Phillip:So I think the way that I look at you is you have a stability in your life and love where the level of patience that you give to me and Mike and totally comes from the level of love that you have as a person that you can give in actual relationships, whether they're personal, work or, you know, uh, intimate, whatever that may be. So in an Elon situation, if you don't have that type of love and it's indicative of how you have your personal relationships what do you think the work relationships are? And when you don't have that, is it normal to have to have these big emotional disparities, like a Tommy, where maybe you have to rely on these big ideas to kind of get you out of this hole. Or maybe you have to have a ketamine or a prescription to kind of get you out of this deficit that you, as a person that I look at, that doesn't have this thing because you actually have love in your life, wow, do you think that that's, there's a truth to that, or no?
Eldar:I mean, you pinpointed it pretty, pretty seriously. I never thought about it that way but do you see that or no?
Phillip:I do see. If love is no, I do see it. If love is the, okay, if we're talking in generalities, love is the answer right.
Eldar:Love is the focus. If the focus is right here, if the focus is here, why the fuck?
Phillip:are you going to Mars? Okay, if the focus is here and it's love.
Phillip:Now we were talking about it before as being Earth, but now we're talking about it on a situation where you don't have love in your life and it's shown. You can't hide it. He doesn't have it in his life. He's going from person to person. One day he's with the girl, the mother of his child, and one day he's not.
Phillip:Now I don't know the exact relationship, but it doesn't seem like it's stable, right.
Phillip:So if you can know that information and not you, I'm not using it against him, but I'm using it in the point of the conversation, the context In the context. And the context is I have somebody who I work for, who's a CEO of our company, who has a loving relationship, and I feel a different relationship to him. And, whether the context of having 17,000 or 100,000 employees versus having a couple or a few, I feel a different relationship to you, where I'm not trying to compete against you, I'm not looking at you as a celebrity, but I'm looking at you as somebody who can give me advice and empower me. Do the employees look at him like that? And, because he doesn't have the loving relationship in his life, does he create a different type of dynamic that does actually disempower these people, because he has to be more a celebrity and because he's trying to create the deficit that he has, which he doesn't have in love, based off of all these people that he has, the deficit that you have in love.
Phillip:I hope not.
Eldar:But you're saying you hope not.
Phillip:I don't know the thing is I saying you hope that I don't know.
Eldar:The thing is, I don't know, like I don't know. His intricacies okay, relationships okay, but let's just say yeah, there is an example of somebody.
Phillip:If, okay, you're the example, right, let's say that you didn't have a loving relationship. Let's say that you were going out and you, you go home. You'd be going to bars and clubs and you'd have to get your love in, like other places. Okay, you'd have to just be a guy who's like Kanye.
Eldar:West Searching.
Phillip:Searching. Just girl looks good, I'm going to get with her, I'll have her as a girlfriend and I'm going to make my music and I'm going to do all this stuff At the end of the day, like this, guy's a mentally unstable person. Okay, people look, expect from him Now. I can only deduce that if I work for Kanye West, my life's going to probably be up and down.
Eldar:So if I'm trying to figure out who I am.
Phillip:I would probably not want to be somebody who works for Kanye West. Now, if I look at you and I'm saying, yo, this guy's a stable guy. He found love in his life. The way that you describe love, you conveyed a truth to me. I'm at a place where I want to figure out who I am. This, to me, makes sense. You're conveying love and truth to me. I want to empower myself and I feel this in this dynamic. That makes sense. If you're working for, let's say that's why you're working for me and not for Elon Musk. So Well, if this is true and we can deduce that his relationship on the outside is that, do you think that just because you're a multi-billionaire, you can escape? The reality of love is not in your life. Where are you going to find it? What type of extreme creations does a billionaire create that a regular person would create? And an example would be.
Eldar:Listen, I have big goals and dreams too, though.
Phillip:No, no, no, you know what I'm saying. No, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I can't speak for him. No, but it doesn't matter. We're creating an example of what it would be of somebody is taking a medicine. They don't have a relationship that is coming from a loving place consistently at least you are. I would bet on somebody like you to create something loving and lasting, versus somebody like that, which is creating something out of, maybe an idea of what he thinks would be, because it's not coming from a loving place, fully loving. It can be genius. It can come from a place of physics.
Eldar:It winds up engineering, science.
Phillip:It makes sense but, at the end of the day, whatever you think that the components of love would be, you have those and you have a very, to my understanding, a very deep belief system on what love is. You have it in your life, and I don't think that the way that you convey it to me is that you don't need to have all these outside things to make your life make sense. You have an empowerment in yourself. You love your relationship and you're conveying that, at least to me on how you understand it where you don't need to have all these outside things. You love what you love. What's the question, philip, so I think, is that the way that we look at Elon is that if you don't have love in your life, is it normal to then have to look outside of yourself and do all these big, grandiose things in order to make your life make sense?
Mike:and I think his it's possible yeah, his, without talking about elon, yeah yeah it ties back to what I said earlier, that we're all searching for love yeah what whichever fucking mangled form we can get based on where we are in our development in life. That's what we're going for. Some people say I love my girl but I hate her. But it's okay, that's for them, that's their capacity.
Phillip:So Elon going to Mars would be that idea.
Eldar:Let's just say the example. If my true expression at the end of the day is through love and it's here on Earth, this is it.
Phillip:And I wholeheartedly believe this.
Eldar:Absolutely.
Mike:I don't need to go to. That's the truest expression.
Phillip:So this is to me the purest example of somebody who's, let's say, financially, in a different atmosphere than everybody else in the world and he doesn't have love in his life. He's actually saying that this planet's not good enough for him. We have to figure out another one I don't think he's saying that. I think I hope not I don't think he's saying that.
Mike:I hope he's not saying that he's trying to figure it out just as much as yeah, any other yeah?
Mike:he's trying, he's trying to figure it out and, based on his capacity, he's a genius in engineering, but he's a shit like a shit bag in love or relationships, for example. I'm not saying this is the fact. So that's the disparity. Again, the same thing in totally. He's really great at sales, but basic shit he's not good at. He's shit. And I think that's the same thing with elon musk. But he's trying to figure it out, yeah, with the tools that he has.
Eldar:Yeah, so until you humble yourself and learn I think he's humble, humble enough to recognize that too.
Mike:Yeah, like he's not. I don't think he's a. He's a like a jerk off
Eldar:or an arrogant no no, I think that he's open to changing his mind.
Mike:Yeah, which is good, but if he was presented with the challenge, yeah, but.
Eldar:but the challenge has to come in the form of an actual challenge.
Phillip:But but don't you think this idea is interesting? Because the way that I'm looking at it is yeah, it is interesting.
Eldar:I think the motivating factor behind love is a huge one, I think.
Phillip:Because, talking about planets, it's very big If you're talking about an everyday person, right. And then we're talking about status and finances, right. If there's a person who's on welfare, who doesn't have love in their life, okay, and you're talking about what their life is, they might not be talking about planets. They might be talking about different girls or moving to a different building and you're like, oh my God, that's so big. If he's in this building and he wants to go to another building, they're building it.
Phillip:But Elon, to me, is like. He is the extreme example of like. If you, let's say, if you don't have love, and we think that maybe he doesn't that's my idea of him could be wrong If I'm saying that I don't think that he does that. If this guy has the resources and the means to say, hey, I'm actually thinking that we're not on earth, we have to be on a different planet to make this make sense. I'm actually thinking that we're not on earth, we have to be on a different planet to make this make sense. I'm questioning the engineering and the physic motive and is there a lack of love? And is that why he's thinking about going outside of this place?
Eldar:To me that's a great question. Are you saying that an indicator of that he's not getting it wrong is the depression that he's facing.
Phillip:Yes, yes, yes, like if you're telling me now one of the richest guys that's looked at on this pedestal. I am a guy who's making X amount of dollars, living a regular like quote unquote regular lifestyle learning. I don't have any depression medicine, I'm just living a good life. Now I don't have the pressures of having all these employees and all this stuff but at the same time, if you have all these resources and you have all this stuff, what the hell's going on? What the fuck are you taking depression medicine for?
Eldar:Why do you need it?
Mike:He said he can't figure it out. It's a good question, phil, for sure. I mean, why do you need it?
Eldar:The way he's connecting, it is interesting.
Mike:It's interesting.
Phillip:Why do you me right now that when he's going to all these facilities and all these plants and he's expanding, if he's hand in hand with his wife or, like Kat, comes in here all the time? The way that you present your relationship to me, I see a loving relationship where it's fun and it's great and you have individual lives but you come together and you love each other. I see it, and it's not like for show, it's like a political or something.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Phillip:It's genuine, it's genuine, yeah so like with him he is known for just being a guy who, like he, has a kid, but, like when he goes to all these places, like he's an individual. Yeah, he doesn't really have his. He's by himself person, he's by. He's an individual guy, yeah, so the way that I'm perceiving him again, I could be wrong, but I am seeing him for what he's presenting to me and I'm seeing an individual guy who's saying that his company is his baby. That's how he talks about his company, and I see it as somebody who's so into what he's doing that I question his ability to love people in his life and and, uh, carry that over, like you do, from work to people. I think that he has to overcompensate in work because he doesn't have it in his personal life and I question the decisions that he makes, um, and and that's why he gets sad, you saying and I see the sadness of he has such a deep sadness on his personal to professional relationship.
Eldar:The disparity is too big.
Phillip:It makes sense to me.
Eldar:Oh, wow I don't question that Because you took ketamine bro.
Phillip:Yeah, I don't even have to take it. You know, now that I did, I'm saying that if you had to get to that point and say that you have to take that kind of drug, which is it's a tranquilizer, Tranquility, tranquilizing yourself is injecting peace into your life. You preach to me peace, but you say it to me in a sense of like. You have it as like a natural part of how you think. You don't try to get it, you have it as a result of who you are and how you think and what you bring to your life.
Phillip:He's saying, and taking this as a prescription hi, I don't have this. Can I buy this? That's like saying, hey, I'm a rich person, I want to buy love. Where do I buy it? It's like whoa you can't buy it, when do I buy it? It's like whoa, you can't buy it. But if you did buy it, I can give it to you. You can get it in doses, but it's not going to be sustainable. Are you willing to buy this thing? He's saying hey, I have a sadness, Can we plug it?
Phillip:Yeah, we'll plug it, but hey, elon, just know that this is not sustainable long term. Are you okay with this? Yeah, I have my goal of building this, this and this, and I got to get this thing on Mars. Nobody in his life right now is questioning, saying yo, elon, do we really have to go to Mars? Can we figure this out now? Is it something in you that's not really maybe translating into your personal relationships? Like dude, if he's getting questioned on that level, do you think there's people around him asking these questions? That's what I'm asking. No, I like that when we're around you. Yeah, you're open to our questions. Yeah, like you can look at us and be like yo, philip, you're a fucking dumb idiot. Like, uh, like, stop asking me questions. You don't say that to me. Yeah, and maybe you could, but you don't. Does elon in his life look at other people and just maybe actually call them dumb idiots without calling them that? And maybe he's not open to that level of criticism?
Eldar:Do you think this is a possibility? It is a possibility. I mean, I'm not sure to which extent Elon takes each individual life as being the life Seriously, like I do, maybe, like you know, like I wholeheartedly believe that you know, like there's nothing special about me that you can achieve, and vice versa. Do you think that he believes that, though, or no. I hope he does, but but I hope he does.
Phillip:Do you think that the level of of how big that he got do you think it makes it really difficult for him to believe that?
Eldar:see that's the way you're saying that, the expediting process of kind of like overseeing, overlooking people's potentials and stuff like that.
Phillip:I think it becomes easier to overlook people.
Eldar:Yeah, yeah, where they?
Phillip:become your servants.
Eldar:Yeah, sure you don't see this. It's an interesting topic.
Mike:It is an interesting topic, yeah, yeah.
Eldar:Like you know. You know we have relationships here as well, even in production and stuff like that, where it's like I can extend my hand so much and if the person doesn't take my hand.
Phillip:Sooner or later my hand's going to get tired.
Eldar:Yeah, but the way that I look at you of how you look at them.
Phillip:I look at you as like you still maintain your loving relationship. I try, but sometimes it's hard.
Eldar:But if you told me that, I wonder if he closed that chapter in his mind.
Phillip:That's what I'm saying.
Eldar:See like if you know what I mean. But at the end of the day I might have to close that chapter too, bro.
Phillip:But if you close that chapter, then that level of love that you have, I think would be really really hard to carry into your personal life.
Mike:I think the ultimate love is to understand that the person is suffering and they're not capable, and extending the compassion to say, hey, they're not ready for what I'm about to offer them what I could offer them.
Eldar:I also believe in justice. I believe in justice and giving people what they actually deserve.
Mike:Yeah, that's another huge one.
Phillip:But the way that I look and the way that I describe it I think other people do too would say that you have very deep patience with people. So I think the way that you have patience with people carries over and allows them to kind of work at their own pace, where you're not putting pressure on people to have to do this thing now, where, if you're in a position where maybe he put himself in, like in Elon, where we have shareholders, we have other people you have to do this thing now, where, like if you're in a position where maybe he put himself in, like an elon, where we have shareholders, we have other people you have to perform now there's more pressure that he has to put on other people and, as a result of that, he might have to overlook that compassion element and he might have to almost be like robotic and he might have to give up the love to be in this position, so
Phillip:he might be in the thing that we don't like discipline, sacrifice. He might be putting himself in a position where he is not able to experience the level of love that you have for his relationship because he's on this quote unquote fast paced life where he doesn't have time to be patient.
Phillip:So, wow, he put himself in a position to be impatient. But again I'm questioning the end goal. Do we have to go to Mars, elon? Can we do all the things that you're doing? Stay here and can you have a loving relationship? Can you kind of tailor back a little bit, be less of an quote-unquote, ambitious and successful hero type person, and can you be more loving and do less and actually be more?
Eldar:Yeah, that's a paradoxical thing. Can you Can?
Mike:you do this. It's a good question.
Phillip:If you start to ask these questions and the people around him start to ask if he had a podcast and he had a Philip like with him and he's asking this to ask If he had a podcast okay, and he had a Philip like with him and he's asking this to them If he had a Don Lemon, who was actually truly inquisitive right.
Eldar:Who actually wanted to know more about this kind of stuff, and I'd be like yo.
Phillip:Elon, thank you for taking me on. I just got fired, okay. Just got fired. Okay, I'm a total, totally schmadink, but I do actually. I read up on your history. I realize X, y and Z and I actually want to know more about you. Can you tell me more? And like, if he came from that perspective and he had somebody on his team asking that and then multiple people asked that, and he'd be like yo, you know what? I never thought about it like that. How many people are questioning him on who he is as a person and how he's spreading his love? They're all like yo, how?
Phillip:much money are we making? What are we creating? And it's like yo, we're going to Marsik. It's like yo. Is anybody actually questioning this or no? I want to know that. Is that crazy for me to want to know?
Eldar:No, I don't think it's crazy at all, I think it's fair. You know what I mean. I think it's fair. You know what I mean. I think it's very interesting. I don't think making assumptions about some of the maybe assumptions that we have about him is fair to him until you sit him down and say, hey, like yeah, I'm willing to push it all to the side, but I have to only take what is being given to me, correct?
Phillip:You go off of what you see, based off of interviews what. I'm hearing from the media and if he wanted to write it wrong and say, hey, listen, I have a loving relationship with my wife or my girlfriend or whoever, and maybe I had some threesomes, but I'm a billionaire, so go fuck yourself.
Phillip:Okay fine, okay great, but at the end of the day, I'm asking I have an example right here of somebody who I see, who has a loving relationship. I see the way that you talk about your family, your friends and how you are on a day-to-day basis and I have a pretty good understanding of who you are and where your goals are and I think they're very aligned with love. At the end of the day, elons to me are very heady and intellectual. There is an element of love and progression and consciousness, but I also question of how grandiose they are and how much ego is involved in what he's doing.
Eldar:Okay, that's fair. Is that fair? It is fair, 100%, 100%. But, like I said, keep an open mind, that you know, give him the benefit of the doubt to be able to answer some of these things, because I don't think that anybody posed a question like this.
Phillip:Yeah, I wanted Don Lemon. I wanted a Don Lemon character to ask him these questions?
Eldar:Yeah, but he was nowhere near these questions, even like a Joe.
Phillip:Rogan. Joe Rogan almost sucks his anus a little bit.
Eldar:Yes, you want somebody in between, I want somebody to challenge him.
Phillip:Respect, elon, but I want you If you interviewed Elon.
Mike:I would love to watch that.
Phillip:If you interviewed Elon the way that you would question, because you come from a place of like, you respect him, you love what he does, you got to me to like appreciate Tesla and all that he does, but also, at the same time, you're coming from a. I love my wife. I love who I am. No, I disagree on a lot of topics. Yeah, so like I would like to hear you question him.
Eldar:Yeah, okay, so we'll make it happen. Mike, yeah, okay, so we'll make it happen.
Phillip:Mike.
Eldar:That would be awesome. That would be awesome. Only Mike can pull these kinds of strings.
Phillip:Yeah, if Mike can pull an Elon string we'll like. We find a connection with the Nelk boys and Dana White. We go to a UFC place and it's like yo, my boy. Right here we have a philosophy podcast with the Rec Metal Company. He has some things, things about Elon. We all have Teslas. We bought Tesla stock. Ba ba, ba, ba ba. All of a sudden, we're sitting down with Elon, we get him here and then you get to talk to him.
Mike:You got to understand Phil. Whoever we're supposed to meet, we will meet, and that's the way the universe works, if we keep on the track of what we're trying to keep on the track of who needs to be checked.
Phillip:You know what I'm saying, but don't you think that this would be a great conversation though?
Eldar:Well, I think this question is very interesting, for sure. Yeah, I think you're connecting that there's certain ambitions that he might be putting himself into under the fire of stress, and things that he hasn't figured out for himself yet and that might be tied to his inability to have a genuine relationship and connect with someone, and that's the thing is very interesting because, he's clearly suffering from something right Like a depression state that he himself can't figure it out. He's like it's like a storm in my mind.
Phillip:You watched the interview, Mike.
Eldar:Yeah.
Mike:Yeah, I did, you did. It's like a storm my mind, he says, and like I can't figure it out. So, like I just well, I always said, love is the number one thing and yeah, love for another person, yeah, intimate love is the greatest, yeah thing that exists. If you experience that once in your life, yeah, that's. And and you didn't close that chapter, yeah, you, that is the craziest drug that you ever, even never heard of. Yeah, that you always want to keep chasing, going towards, going forward. Nothing exists out there that is greater than that.
Phillip:So imagine if he came here. So imagine if he came here, he was talking like this. He was like yo, I got to take this outside thing to kind of balance it out If I just gave up, gave him a hug, and then Penny and Archie were here and then he got all the podcast philosophy, love and he was like yo, oh damn, like I'm actually missing out. I actually realized, like yo, I'm like yo, we have office dogs. Like you, understand what an office dog is? He's saying yo, he's completely shot. Office dogs for me. Like okay, let's put it in perspective for anybody out there If you don't have an office dog, you will have to live vicariously through, like, let's say, on TikTok or Instagram, whatever there's a pet that you will see, maybe like a cat or a dog or a monkey, whatever You'll have to see what an owner is living like vicariously through them.
Phillip:If you actually have a dog in office, having Penny and Archie in office, being able to observe that now, as somebody who's never been a pet owner, like it's um, that's a crazy thing, right? Like you, you are somebody who I if you asked any of my friends before any of my family, whatever they would say I'm very moody and like up and down. I would say that now that I'm in this office, when I see Penny or Archie or the dog anytime that I'm ready to go down, they even out my mood and I can't get to that place, where that I would go.
Phillip:That's love, bro, which is low.
Eldar:Yeah, thanks for watching.