[00:10] Speaker A: Hi, everyone. This is Jamie on the keepom healthy podcast. You have showed up for a great episode for something that is foundational single human being. This episode talks about sleep and sleep training for your kids and your babies. Parenting is hard. It's especially hard when you are overtired and overwhelmed and frustrated because you do not sleep or your child does not sleep. So today I brought on Emmy clandeni because she is a certified pediatric sleep consultant, and she has great ideas and advice for parents who are navigating a world right now where they don't sleep. Also, for moms to be or new moms, there is so much information out there on sleep training, and you can kind of get lost in the sauce. There's so many opinions. There's so much information. So Emmy today does a great job to kind of narrow in and give you some resources and some advice on how to get started with healthy sleep habits in your home. Without further ado, let's meet Emmy clandeni. Hi, Emmy. Welcome to keep them healthy with Jamie.
[01:20] Speaker B: Hi, Jamie. Thanks for having me.
[01:22] Speaker A: Thank you for being here. I'm so excited to hear what you have to say on sleep training. There are so many tired and overwhelmed moms and dads out there, particularly in my life. I have sisters who have given birth in the past couple of weeks, and so they are listening in, like, give me every gold worthy piece of knowledge you have because they are so exhausted and figuring out babies. It's no joke.
[01:46] Speaker B: No, it is not a joke, Jamie. That's exactly why I am here today. It was something that was so important to me, and there's so much information out there, and I remember just nesting and wanting to know how to get a handle on sleep before the baby game. It was just something that I knew I needed to have. So I completely understand, and that is why I do what I do. I want to help as many mamas as I can.
[02:13] Speaker A: Okay, so let's backtrack for a second, because sleep training is a word that they throw at the new mamas, being like, you guys, you got to get your baby on a schedule. You got to get your baby on routine and sleep training. And so can you just define what is sleep training?
[02:30] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. So, yeah, sleep training is teaching your little one how to sleep independently. Essentially, it's you're teaching your child sleep skills without needing to use sleep props and a sleep prop. Is anything from a child being dependent on needing to be fed, to go to sleep, to be rocked, bounced? Yeah, I mean, it's being able to put your child or have your little one go to bed without needing the help and just falling asleep on their own. Right.
[03:03] Speaker A: You want to essentially be able to put your child to sleep without them needing you. Right. Like, there are so many moments where you're going to have to go out or you have another child or you're sick or whatever the case is. There's so many reasons for this, but just essentially for your well being, it's such a relief to know that your child will go to sleep without needing you.
[03:24] Speaker B: Absolutely. And that can look different for many families. You can even be cosleeping and your child can still have the skills to put themselves to sleep. We have sleep cycles all throughout the night. We don't realize it, but sometimes we wake up, we turn over, we're waking up, we're going back to sleep. Little ones, when they're babies and toddlers, they might cry out. That doesn't mean that they want to necessarily be picked up or fed or anything. But if they can go to sleep in the first place without mom or dad rocking them to sleep or feeding them, if they wake up in the middle of the night, just like us, we want them to be able to go to sleep on their own. And that starts that can start from the very beginning. But at the same time, I want to say, it's never too late to sleep train. So yeah, we might get a bad rap, the sleep training industry and just the name in general, but it doesn't have to be a scary thing. It's not the old age cry it out. It's just helping our children learn those sleep skills, which is something that we need throughout our life.
[04:32] Speaker A: So I want to get to those skills and building those skills and finding those resources because I know that if I was sitting there about to become a new mom, I'd be like, can you just tell me now? But I don't want to jump too far ahead. I really want to kind of backtrack. I want to learn more about you and how you got to this point of becoming a sleep trainer and a sleep coach.
[04:51] Speaker B: Sure. So sleep has always been very important to me, ever since I was a little girl. If I did not get my beauty sleep, apparently I was not the best playdate. I was not a very nice sister. I was a little on the grumpy side. This has not changed for me as I've gotten older. Like I said before that nesting period during pregnancy, especially during that first pregnancy, everyone kind of looks for their own thing. I remember thinking, oh, I don't need to really learn about breastfeeding. It'll be natural, it will be fine. It was not. And we don't have to go into that on this episode.
[05:27] Speaker A: But that's another episode.
[05:28] Speaker B: That's a completely fully but yeah, I remember thinking, I'm focusing on what is my nursery done and if I have a crib and I want to know everything about sleep so I can sleep and we can all live happily ever after. So I remember I just looked at different books. I read some books. I absolutely loved the book. 12 Hours by twelve Weeks by Susie Giodorno. There's a lot out there, but that one, that one was great because it was a short read. It was easy, simple, very straightforward. It's very personal. Everybody likes different things for different reasons. I love the simplicity and structure of it. I followed it to the tea. I had a sleep blog next to my bed, and it worked out really well for my firstborn. He was a lot of focus on feeding and making sure they're well fed after six to eight weeks, ten weeks, twelve weeks, like you get closer and closer to the baby being a healthy weight and being able to implement that. Eleven to ten or ten to eleven to 12 hours through at three to four months of age. So that got me really excited. And then I had my second, and they're just a year apart. So then I thought, this will be fine. I'll do the same thing. It was not fine. It was a puzzle. And it took me about eight months to figure it out. And to some people, they might think that's nothing, it's fine. But it was not okay for me because I personally could not function. I was not okay with such broken sleep and such little sleep. So once I figured it out, and every baby is different and there's different environments, and he's a second baby, so I was trying not to make up the first. There's so many different things that go into it. But that is when I got so excited. I solved that puzzle. I started helping friends and family, and then I realized I could do this for a living. I absolutely adored helping people get to this goal. And then I got certified with Family Sleep Institute. And here I am today.
[07:46] Speaker A: I think it's an incredible journey when you go from finding that you can serve people with your knowledge and sleep is foundational to every single human being. So I think everyone can attest to the fact that when they don't have sleep, they are not themselves, and it's not a fun place to be. So for every new parent, especially, you really want to be the best mom, the best dad. And that comes with needing sleep. And so when you're not getting it like you experienced, and I have experienced, it becomes you grasp at anything to help get yourself on a schedule or get your child sleeping. And so I love that you actually went and studied it and served people in your world. Now that you're here in this space of being a sleep trainer and sleep coaching for a couple of years, I would love to kind of pick your brain about what the biggest issue is in this moment. I guess for families, when they come to you, what's the biggest issue they bring to your table about their child and their sleeping habits?
[08:49] Speaker B: I usually come in, unfortunately, as with many health things, I come in when something isn't working anymore, so that can look different for everyone. I meet families where they are with zero judgment. Always. An example would be, I just finished about a month ago working with a family who decided that cosleeping was not working anymore. So this was a very specific to their situation. They were doing it. It was okay. The little guy was about 17 months old. The toddler, he just wasn't sleeping, and neither were they. They were at wit's end. So we got together, we made a plan that everyone was comfortable with to get their little guy sleeping in his own bed and in his own bedroom. So it was a really big transition for them. Took about three weeks total, which is the norm for this age and for this situation. They did such a good job. It was a roller coaster. I mean, as you can imagine with that age and what that little guy was used to for so long.
[09:52] Speaker A: Can I stop you for 1 second?
[09:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[09:54] Speaker A: Because when you said it takes three weeks and that's normal, we need to bold highlight, I think, for all parents to hear that transitions take time and commitment. Yes. And three weeks, you're like, you know, after one day, you're like, that's going to work, and you move on to next thing. No, no, settle in. Lean into your new plan. It takes time. Okay. I just want to highlight that because as a parent, it's so important to keep that in mind. Okay, back to you.
[10:24] Speaker B: It is. Absolutely. No, you're right. I'm so glad that you said that because I have worked with families for a week at a time, two weeks and three weeks, sometimes more. I have some situations where they need to come back to me just a week after we worked together. And they wanted they have a few questions or something was a little bit different than how it was before. Every situation is different, but time is the key. It's consistency and time with anything. You're not going to sign up for a gym membership and tell the trainer that you want to work with that. You are eating salads for every meal when you are eating potato chips or.
[11:14] Speaker A: Whatever, you need to commit. You need to commit to the action and the new habits or whatever it is. And then you also need to commit to the time. Like, you cannot just assume in a quick snap everything's going to go from being terrible to being perfect.
[11:29] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[11:31] Speaker A: So let's go back to that family who now they went from co sleeping to the child in their own room in three weeks. So can you continue on that story? I would love to hear more.
[11:43] Speaker B: Sure. So what we did was we started out with a family meeting. Now he's on the younger side to participate a lot in that family meeting, but it's something that I love to do with families. It's the beginning of the whole process. So we put the plan together, and then part of the plan is how to hold this family meeting and put everything down that is important to them and everything from what's within the routine. The nap, the bedtime routine. To their family values and what's important to them at the current time and their future goals and how they see themselves. At the time and where they want to see themselves. So establishing that and when the kids can be involved, it's really wonderful as well. But even if you think they're not involved, then just being around and present is a big deal for them to hear. Kind of, okay, this is you know, we're the Smith family. We are a family of good sleepers. It's sad because a lot of us, no matter what the issue is at the time, we throw these adjectives around about ourselves, and they're usually not true, but we say them enough and we can believe them. I mean, when people, oh, my little guy's a bad sleeper. He's always been a bad sleeper. Nobody's a bad sleeper. We all can have the ability to be good sleepers and even bad and good. I hate those words. We all have the ability to figure this out. It's about the time building, the habits, and, you know, wanting this better way for ourselves and for our family. So it starts with a family meeting and then they implement everything. So I'm not there in the house with them. I am holding their hand from afar. So we will text, talk and email every day, depending on what works best for the family. And they will implement this based on what they were comfortable with and what kind of plan we put together. So for that little guy, what we did was he actually helped mom and dad with the atmosphere and the environment of his bedroom. He made it more personal for what he wanted at that time, which was kind of an exciting thing for him. You want the kids to get excited, and it is. It's fun. You can be creative. We're not throwing a party in the bedroom. That's part of the thing. The environment is important too. You need it to be simple, peaceful. Having them, the little guys, the little kids that I work with, they are a big part of it. When they can be, when they want to be, they can have their stuff. You there picture of their family. That's always wonderful to have a picture of their mom and dad with them next to their bed. So, yeah, we set the scene. We then mom and dad will go through the routine with them. And depending on what they're comfortable with, if the little one comes out of the room, they can do a walk back. We have something called the Silent Return that's really helpful for some families. You just grab your little one's hand, you walk them back to their bed because you've talked about all this with them. You've prepared them at the family meeting. You're talking about it very positively throughout the day. It's not like this big, scary, oh, bedtime is coming, we're going to be cold. We're not going to talk to you. You talk about it with your little ones throughout the day and you set the scene. And again, the Smith family, for example, we are a family of good sleepers. We love healthy sleep. When we sleep well, the next day, we can do A, B and C. We can go to we can jump really high. We can learn new skills. We can, you know, whatever, something you want to bring in interest, step that they're really into, no matter what it is, and get them excited, because when we are getting healthy sleep, we are able to our minds are growing. Our bodies are growing physically. I mean, 75% of our children's growth and development happens when they sleep. So this is a big deal. They need to sleep well. We need to honor that. This is more than half of the puzzle to being a healthy human. So that's what we do. That's what I do. I work with them and I make that plan. They are doing the hard work. I am holding their hand. I am there for the phone call, the text. We speak the next day and talk about how it went and go from there. So if you know a certain strategy, and I never would say, after 24 hours, we're going to change strategy like we just talked about. You have to give a time. I like to at least do three days to a week of one type of method, if you want to even call it a method. But you have to be consistent. These little people were used to something very different for a very long time, and we want to give them that grace and the respect that, okay, we're changing things up here. You were used to this, but change.
[17:12] Speaker A: Can be really scary, right? But I like what you're saying about setting that expectation prior and you're kind of rewriting their bedtime story in their minds. Because I'm assuming up to this point, maybe bedtime was a little scary or stressful for the mom or for the child or for both or the whole family because maybe they're screaming and crying or who knows? But I think what you're saying is really great. You're now recreating their stories like that. We are a family of good sleepers to a positive one, right, so that when they're going to bed, they're excited about their new changes because it's going to bring good things and it's and everything about it is calming and positive and reinforcing good behaviors. And that's where I think the consistency and the time put in and the good story of your sleep world now can be a success, which I loved hearing that from you. I mean, thank you.
[18:06] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[18:07] Speaker A: And then from here, though, I just would like to pick a ring a little bit about parents and kind of because they haven't been sleeping and they are reaching out to you as like an. SOS what is your best way to support the parents? Or what do you find is the best way to kind of ease their craziness right now of like, I need sleep. How do I get it? What have you found has worked best when you're building these relationships with these parents?
[18:35] Speaker B: Well, Jamie, just letting people know in the very beginning that they are doing an amazing job and they are. I mean, the fact that you're reaching out to get extra help with sleep, you're an amazing parent. We need to reach out and do things. Parenting is really hard. Parenting is really, really hard, especially when you're not sleeping. Right.
[19:07] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[19:08] Speaker B: It's insane. So the fact that a parent is reaching out and asking for help, it just brings so much joy because to me, because those kids are so lucky, they have no idea how lucky they are. The parent knows and realizes and cares enough to outsource this. It's not easy. Yes. The first thing is I just want to reassure them that this is and it's going to get harder before it gets easier. As we said, with any big changes, I just try to do my best to not make it a therapy session because I love people and I like talking to people and I want to help as much as I can, but I need to reel it in and just let them know that I am here. This is what I love to do and I'm very good at it and I will do whatever it takes to figure out what we need to do to get to those goals. And I am their support. Again, I'm going to do whatever I can do and I just need to make sure they're on board. And I know that sounds of course they're on board. They're calling you. But I have to make sure all the adults in the picture are all on board. So whether there's a nanny, a babysitter, a grandparent, maybe that's helping. Once a week, the second meeting that we have, I ask that all the adults can be there if they're involved, if that's necessary.
[20:44] Speaker A: That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Because number one, your support, just knowing that the parents are not alone in this anymore, but also when it's time to implement these strategies we mentioned, consistency is like, key. So that means anyone in the picture of helping out the child, babysitter or grandparent or aunt or uncle, they also be on board. Now, I'm so curious because I know in my personal experience, like, navigating your kind of commitment to your new rules whether it be for sleeping or for in my instance, it was food. It can get really, can get really dicey. It can get a little emotional, can be a little stressful on both ends because they may not know everything, or the parent may get upset if they make the wrong move so that they're nervous to do anything. There's so many different facets to that. And so I love that the second meeting is with all of the people involved in the child's life. I didn't know that that was part of the process. And I'm like, okay, this is golden. This is golden because getting everyone bored is not easy. So go ahead, continue with telling me what happens during this meeting. I'm down.
[21:55] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it can get really hard. It can get really dicey. And I make sure that everyone has gone through the plan. Sometimes they're not involved, but I make sure that we are in touch. We are in contact because they might have questions, different questions that the mom or dad might not necessarily have, depending on when they're looking after the little one. And besides sleep, other things are happening. There's other changes. So when more sleep is happening, things like food, the way that they're eating changes. They're eating more because they're sleeping more. It all goes hand in hand. They're pooping more. They're pooping at different times of day, at night. Sometimes it can be scary. I've had a parent say sleeping means giving my kid diarrhea. That is not the case. But if food, if sleep changes and then the eating habits change, they're eating more. Things are happening. That's normal for these things to happen and they iron out after a few weeks. You're not going to get that. As you know, with little ones, you know that they might wake up with a dirty diaper and you want to go in there and change it. But with the beginning of any sleep journey, especially the really little ones, I advise to get a nice tube of destitin or whatever you want to use because it can be a wild little ride. But again, going back to the caretakers involved, so many little things are changing. So I love to be in touch with all the adults that are involved in case they have questions along the way. And we have to iron these things out throughout the time together. And everyone has different point of views and different ideas, which is great. I think that it takes a village and we should all be working and communicating together.
[24:04] Speaker A: Do you ever come across people that try to override this direction that you're trying to go with for the family and the child that I don't know, think they know better or say like, no, that's not what they need, or, you know, have you ever come across that? And if so, what do you do? Because even parents who are going to make changes with their child's sleeping habits. Even if they're not working with the sleep coach, they're going to have opinions from other people. So can you give us a quick like a tip or what you do when something like that happens?
[24:37] Speaker B: Sure, yeah. I mean, I haven't had I'm sure that I know the parents have had these issues. I haven't had much of that probably because they're not taking it all to me, but I have had a little bit. My main thing is always the mindset. You have to really first have your mindset and just keep that in focus. Even if you write a post it note just like the way I have my clients put a post it note around their house of the goals, their ultimate sleep goal or what they want to see in the future. I also sometimes have them put postit notes of a motto like stay in your own lane. Like that's just an easy way to put it all, group it all together. But one of my favorite quotes and I forget who said it, but it is none of our business what other people think about us. For me personally, I just try to say that to myself a lot. It is it's none of our business what other people think about us. I know that's easier said than done. And these times can get emotional. We're tired. People could say this live comment on the side at a family party when I have these little things in my head and I've reminded myself I try to also tell my families I work with of these things that it just gets easier as you keep your minding yourself. Sometimes you might have to set up a boundary here and there. I think healthy boundaries are awesome.
[26:16] Speaker A: But hard.
[26:17] Speaker B: Oh very.
[26:18] Speaker A: It's hard. It's hard and communicating those boundaries when you kind of know that it's not going to gel well with the person that you're creating the boundaries with is very hard. But I think you're right. Once you start flexing that muscle of not giving in to whatever the other opinion is, that does not align with where you're going with your sleep training or whatever that is your food, whatever. That is where you're going to start with your personal growth and also your strength in yourself and your knowing for what your family's needs are, and that you are the one, you are the expert for your family, not so and so who does not live your day today. So that is absolutely and one of.
[27:02] Speaker B: My favorite phrases is that's okay if you don't agree with us or that's okay if you don't agree with me, but this is what works for our family and we love to be able to get the sleep that we need and this is how we get it. Something like that. And it doesn't even have to be that specific. It can just be this is what works for our family. So we're doing it, but thank you for your concern. Or, you know, you can be polite, and people know for the most part, people can take that hint or social cue. Sometimes they can't. But all you can do is say, you know, you go that far, set your boundary. And it's actually none of your business what they do with that boundary either. True. You just have to flex it. You have to practice, even if it's just you practicing in front of a mirror and saying in the morning, like, all you can do is control you. And this is your family, this is your unit, and you're doing what you all got together and decided this was the best next step. So let's do it, and let's honor that. So I think we also get in our own heads more so then I wish we did. We overthink things, and probably when you're.
[28:21] Speaker A: Lacking sleep, over feel things, right? Like when you're not your normal, yeah, you over feel. You over feel maybe that people are judging you or that they're talking about you or not agreeing with you, and then, you know, you're feeling that self doubt, self questioning, and but it really comes down to that most of the time. They probably have moved on and haven't thought twice about it, and yet you're sitting there ruminating about it and kind of getting angry about it, and in the meantime, it's not helping anybody or anything, but that's kind of par for the course, I think. And so learning how to get out of that cycle, too, that's also flexing another muscle. And so this all comes down to experiences, and I think all your moms and dads out there, you've got to just take one step and continue to experience and adjust as you go and have some grace in that things take time and that you're going to experience some ups and downs. Like Emmy had mentioned in the beginning, parenting is hard. Sleep trading is one of those things that some babies, no problem happens without any effort. Some babies, it's not so hard. And listen, I've had five, okay? And I've had all different types of babies. And things that work for one, didn't work for the other. And it's not nothing against me as a parent. Every child is different, and you have to learn your child, and sometimes it takes longer or shorter. But what I would love to go on to Emmy, and maybe you would want to touch on this, too, is just that we think that our neighbors are their child sleeps through the night with a happy family, or my first child was no problem. Why can't they get it together with this one? And we just, you know, we beat ourselves up and compare and despair, right? Have you anything to say on that? The compare and despair version of sleep training when it comes to navigating a child that can't sleep?
[30:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this is just life in general. Like just don't compare. Easier said than done, I know, but everybody is different. Our children are all different. They have different needs. Yeah, they came from the same parents, possibly, but they're not the same. They're their own unique little being and they need different things. The one thing I just love, even if you're not going like full throttle sleep training and maybe your baby child or teen, they just need their own plan for sleep habits. Just healthy sleep habits, plain and simple. We have to lead by example and that's really hard in this day and age with all the distractions and iPads and all that stuff. We need to stay in our own lanes. We need to do the best we can do for ourselves at that time, for our families, at that time when our little ones see that we prioritize things like sleep and bedtime and, you know, it doesn't have to be crazy strict every single day. And sometimes it works. You can have a late night or a later night, I guess I should say. Your family and your little one. Everyone is unique in their own way and that's all that matters. To just remember not to compare. But none of us are the same. And another thing is just to be confident in the choices that we make. We want to get sleep because whatever is happening is not working for us, right? So that's when a family comes to me, they are coming to me because they need to improve or fix or something needs to change. And that's all there is to it. We're not doing what our next door neighbor is doing. We're not doing what your brother or sister is doing. You're doing what you're doing for your family, for yourself. And just remember that when those things come up and you're like, why can't I do what they're doing? How are they all so happy and healthy? And we have no idea. We don't know. We truly do not know. We're not living in the same household. Focus on what's going to work, what feels comfortable for you. And when something doesn't feel comfortable with anything in health, that's when you kind of speak up. That's what this is all about. That's why we're talking. That's why you started this podcast, right?
[32:41] Speaker A: We grow from experience. We have to just keep trying and it's one step at a time and just focus on, like you're saying, the moment and what is unique to your family in the moment. And listen everyone else's advice and tips and strategies, they are see them as vehicles that you can hop on that vehicle and take it for a spin and it may go too fast for you or it may be too wobbly or it may be too slow for you or whatever. It may not be your vehicle. So then you just hop off and you try another vehicle and just do it with ease and with grace and just knowing that just because that vehicle worked for that person who is a trusted source of yours doesn't mean that that vehicle is meant for everyone. So that's also something to keep in mind, that it's so great to have resources and to talk to friends and family, but keep in mind there's nothing wrong with you if that particular strategy doesn't work, you know? So that's something to keep in mind, too.
[33:37] Speaker B: Yup. I love, I love that. Hop on, see if it works. If it doesn't, that's okay. And that reminds me, I worked with families from all over the world. I started all of this when I lived in Hong Kong and there were different cultural backgrounds. There's different, there's so many different situations. You know what we were just talking about. But the cultural differences are people from all different countries. When something doesn't work, if you've hopped on that vehicle, you just hop off or you say, oh, that didn't work. But I did learn because of that experience that this would work. Or I would like to try this.
[34:19] Speaker A: Exactly.
[34:20] Speaker B: So it's just be brave, be curious. Be curious and be confident.
[34:28] Speaker A: Love it. I'm just going to end in here and I don't know, maybe but I would love to talk about let's circle back now. We kind of talked about families and kids and making decisions. So I mentioned I have sisters that have just had new babies and all. So is there any three kind of major steps or just grab at tools that kind of are standard for everybody?
[34:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, sure. I would say in general, getting outside, getting sunlight. I know we are now going into the winter. We are hibernation mode. And when the sun is out, get out there even when it's not overkeeper.
[35:10] Speaker A: Up. Yeah, gear up, get those gloves on, get the hats on, wear snow pants on your walk. I don't care. I agree. Sunshine. Sunshine. Good Lord. Sunshine.
[35:21] Speaker B: Sunshine. Vitamin D. Got it. And for kids of all ages, this is something that it's funny because you know how fast these little ones change. Like you'll be used to something for a few weeks or a few months and you're like, oh, everything's going really well. So I should expect it to drastically change any moment because that's kind of how it goes, right? But one thing that is consistent with sleep and just health in general is what we just said, the vitamin D, sunlight and certain times of day. So I know their naps change, then they drop naps. But a rule of thumb that always helped me through was before meals or before naps. Getting sunshine, if you can, or just outside getting that fresh air is so beneficial. I mean, talk about a difference between a nine month old and then a toddler who's running around and needs to get that energy out and has maybe that one nap in the middle of the day. That little one needs to exercise, they need to get out, they need to play. Whether that's inside or outside, they need to get that out.
[36:33] Speaker A: I think it's so important to educate parents, especially because it's small changes that can make a world of a difference. And just having that awareness and having the knowledge to make just small impactful steps in your family life, it's so good. So we will definitely circle back on that. And so thank you for that tip. Across the board for babies all the way to adults, really, is that to get better sleep, you got to get moving and you got to get outside.
[36:59] Speaker B: And you need to and consistency. So no matter what you're doing, no matter what you're doing with, if you have a newborn, a six year old, anyone in between, consistency. Again, here and there, a party, a late night, that's okay. But just be consistent because that really helps. Like you just said, the circuit in rhythm, it depends on that. And setting it up right in the morning with that sunlight and then just being consistent around the same time going to bed, around the same time waking up, that's hugely helpful. Now, again, that might not be happening with your baby and that's why you're looking for a sleep trainer in the first place. But when you are trying anything new, especially, you do the best you can do in that moment to be consistent because you're the lighthouse, you're leading them. These little ones need boundaries and we're the ones to set them. So they might say, no, I don't want to do this, I don't want to go to bed.
[37:58] Speaker A: But what they do so moving, like exercise, sunlight and consistency, done.
[38:05] Speaker B: Got it.
[38:06] Speaker A: Thank you, Amy, so much. This is so insightful and I hope that it gives a window to other moms who maybe were teetering, like, do I seek help, do I not? Just to give them that comfort and support that people like you are out there who are so passionate and are so ready and willing to help, that this gives them some hope in their DayToday if they are having some struggles with sleep right now. So, thank you so much, Amy. You know, I will be having you back and at this point I'm just going to say goodbye and thank you.
[38:40] Speaker B: Thank you so much, Jamie. And I am going to be sending out a newsletter every week with my tips and free guides. So please, if you guys follow me, sign up and I will send you whatever I can send you to help. And I don't like mail, so you won't get bombarded.
[38:56] Speaker A: Love it. Thanks, Emmy.
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