The Richard & Dr. Ed Show

#18 - Case studies

Richard Aceves and Dr Ed Caddye

In today's episode, Dr. Ed and I discuss simple tricks to getting out of the freeze or autopilot state. We chat about some case studies and go over googles AI and its capabilities to quote studies. Plus, a ton of golden nuggets.

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Richard Aceves:

we're live. Oh no, we're not I'm not connected hopefully to hold on a second, but login How do you change that shit on here? On almost be live disconnect audio now

Dr Ed:

you hear me? Yeah,

Richard Aceves:

my headphones aren't connected that'd be an awesome intro to podcast How can my headphones aren't technical difficulties they were working two seconds ago

Dr Ed:

Is it the because the audio sounds good maybe it's just the sound

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, I was just I wasn't on the headphones now and can you hear me okay now oh good

Unknown:

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Richard Aceves:

now we are alive after that technical difficulty, but that but

Dr Ed:

we are alive I am good. How are things of you? You're back in Amsterdam back in the land of the living I hope

Richard Aceves:

it's I woke up at 2pm today been miserable. I feel like I've now I truly had like sleep deprivation. No, it was horrible. It was a it was a horrible flight back. I don't know if you can see my my right eye is like just collapse completely. I was looking at that before he joined the call. And I feel like I'm getting the flu so I least this morning I got the morning sunshine even though it's cloudy, but it's nice being back home. I kind of missed it a little bit.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, a lot of it. Give some give some golden nugget about the eye for people or the eyes. What you look at not too much. So

Richard Aceves:

yeah, well I when I look at the eyes, I'm always looking at the kind of cheekbones and and eyebrows and then I start to see the body doesn't lie. And one of the biggest ways of the bite is lies the cheekbones and the and the eyebrows. So we can see arousal rates or like arousal of somebody or like collapse and then the right and the left have certain meanings and fully collapsed moment starting to come back and I can feel it too because even this morning well they kind of got to sleep into and she woke up she woke up and she opened the fridge. She's like, nice way to put away the milk and I was like hmm, I forgot to put the cap back on the milk and I was just like laying sideways in the fridge. I don't like I'm a full blown auto pilot.

Dr Ed:

So I mean, this is actually a topic I was going to ask about so so a nice segue is what advice would you give to somebody who is like they know that they're in a collapse they know that they're in a freeze they know that they that they feel like everything's happening on autopilot in their life and they almost like want to regain a sense of control, I guess a sense of regaining some level of I can see and feel how I am let everything taking

Richard Aceves:

you away with it. Or mu is pick one thing. So for me it's cooking that will always be so back to center. So I love cooking and going to the grocery store like brings me back to center. So find one thing that always brings you back that's an action. I know you can do like the vagal resets and stuff but that's something I don't use often for me it's I always try and think of what's one thing that I can gain control over and that I can be present with and then what's the next one and then what's the next one and I'll just kind of build up from there. Well, that's,

Dr Ed:

that's actually really interesting because you say I mean you could do a bagel reset but actually the cooking you you have to be present to plan to go see what you're going to cook you have to go and shop which means you have to do a bit of movement. You have to choose the things that you want to cook and you have to bring them back you have to be present to create a meal and you're all working towards the meal. You feel proud of what you've done. You've completed a task, you You went at it, you enjoy the meal, maybe you get a bit of socialization out of it. as well. Right. That is a vehicle reset. In the end. That's true. And it's that way. Yeah.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah. And it's funny because like the first day we were just like full blown autopilot and then even yesterday I made chicken. I mean the chicken wings were pretty, pretty good. With blue cheese dressing. But yeah, that's that's good. Yeah, it allows me to kind of come back to him when I when I have like shitty food, like when I cook shitty food, which doesn't happen often. But sometimes I get I goes over like you know what I mean? Like it just doesn't come out as planned. And that's when I noticed that I'm I need to get my head straight. Yeah. But that That for me is one thing. You know, and I think that nutrition always allows you to kind of come back to present again so it's been two months in Mexico and in Cali and it was a lot of eating out and not having your own kitchen. Mexico is a little nicer because you had a lot of amazing seafood. But it's you know, you still are having a beer at lunch and doing this and doing that and so it's never your own kitchen. So you know, so like for me that I really missed that part of it. And I could really feel myself starting to slide in the nutritional scale like just having like shit cravings of you know, the cookies and the cake and the just kind of going down that that path again, shall we say? which I enjoyed all of it. Don't get me wrong. I wasn't. I was like eating. It was delicious food. But now that I'm back home I'm like okay, I'm going back to high fat, low carb, like I'm not going to be doing any, you know, simple carbohydrates I was and that's because I function well under high fat, low carb and like more carnivore style diet. But it allows me to have that that control a little bit and then from there, I build out the rest of the day. The second one is sleep but with the two kids it's kind of hard. So we'll come once the kids adjust.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, I mean, it's the me and I think it kind of feeds into that like fasting leading into the meal. So like, you could you can do fasting as long as you want to but sometimes if you're planning to do a nice evening meal then you can not eat during the day leading up to it. So you can like put all almost all of your energy and effort into preparing and planning that one low one meal meal instead of as you said like rather than focusing on two or three mils or, or whatever.

Richard Aceves:

Right? Yeah, and I think it's the more important parts I can join what you're going to be eating like yeah, you know, so today I'm making went to the butcher this morning after dropping the kids off which made me very happy. I love my butcher

Dr Ed:

in the red light Oh,

Richard Aceves:

yeah. Which is now a lot closer to my house because we moved. And so we have have a really cool butcher and he we've got some black angus beef, beef chuck but closer towards the closer towards the ribs. So it's like basically like short ribs but without the ribs. They call it the poor man ribs because you can get the same effect as the short ribs. But you pay half the price because short ribs got really popular like 15 years ago in restaurants so prices went up like crazy. So they're not on the bone. It's not on the bone. It's it's it's a big piece of meat. That's but it's the same it comes from the same part as the short ribs. Okay. And so that like when you have like beef stews and things like that, they make it from usually like Chuck and round and they have different names. For them depending where you are here. It's like beef stew that's basically stood stood meat. It's what it's called to be translated directly. But it comes from the same part of the ribs. But it's just they don't You don't have to pay the overpriced part of the boneless of the short ribs. Cuz sure it was got super expensive because by star restaurants right using them, which, you know, hipsters and chefs are always destroying good cheap food like lobster used to be super cheap. It was the cockroach of the ocean. And then they decided to put it on the menus and now it's super expensive. And so short ribs were basically the same thing. Now they're always there. They're overpriced in my opinion. Gotcha. Well, I mean, it's already they're delicious.

Dr Ed:

They're cheaper than other cuts of meat these days. That is true. Yeah, but I suppose you're paying for the bone as well.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, but anywho so cooking is a great way for me. But yeah, I think if you're wanting to get out of that kind of autopilot, it's just start to pick one thing. So I always say that and I shaved because when I let myself go, I don't shave like I can. It's not that I don't like growing up here to school and all guys, but for me, it's like when I start to see like I get like cheekbone hairs because I'm just a hairy dude. So when I start to like let myself go and I start to see like the peppered cheekbone, kind of beard hairs and it's not trimmed up. I'm like, for me, that's a sign that I'm going on autopilot. Because if I'm I feel like I'm so busy that I can't shave and so now that I'm trying to get that role as Superman you know, for me being clean shaven and just giving myself that time to shave and kind of manicure myself, shall we say? Also look allows me to kind of gain control.

Dr Ed:

Yes, the the classic shit shower and shave. Right?

Richard Aceves:

Exactly. Where to shave kid good for you. I think when you take time to manicure yourself to make yourself look as presentable as possible. I think that says a lot about your mental health. Yeah, you know, because you see it like you see it here especially because like during the wintertime we just start to get shitty people were shitty clothes, like not shitty clothes, but like baggy clothes and you just start like you start to see like that. The sunlight could be part of the effect right? But I think it's also like you're no longer taking care of yourself like no, it's crazy. I never saw like my grandma, my aunt. You know a lot of like, the Latin Mexican women like you never see them in pajamas. And it's crazy. Like even when I was with with with a family we stayed over and one of her uncle and aunt's house. And dude, it's like six in the morning and I'm waking up and I'm waking up because Franco's crying and I walk outside and she heard me walk outside and within like 20 minutes like she was in her room. You walk down to like all dressed up like painted like shower like ready to go like do you guys need something for food and breakfast? Like, where does this energy even come from? But I think there's a big thing to say about waking up in the morning and just getting ready and getting moving. That allows that mental state to make you feel more present and like wanting to do things

Dr Ed:

and might even be a way to start managing shoulder pain for some people. You just start time on yourself.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah. Yeah, just because it allows that lack of over socialization and lack of always been busy and stressed on stuff, and you'll end up looking better feeling better. Anyhow. Those are my two big things that I've been working on showering. Eating for the last 48 hours, or taking care of crying kids for three hours. At a time. The anti

Dr Ed:

hobo protocol. Exactly. We can set that one

Richard Aceves:

but yeah, it's nice being back we got greeted with beautiful weather. It's sunny today and like almost 20 degrees outside. 21 degrees outside actually

Dr Ed:

has yeah it's definitely warmed up the last week or so. UK I guess it's the same that the weather's fairly unpredictable on an hour to hour basis. But that's nothing new for Amsterdam. Right? And imagine that the sun's out right now so that's nice. I just experienced came across the fact that Bard is working now the Google AI. Okay. So it was kind of interesting, because, I mean, I guess it's joined to Google and I'm working in a Science Institute at the moment. And I was chatting to a few of my colleagues and actually you can write a paragraph and and copy it into Bob and say, Can you give me the references for each sentence? No, it's not perfect, but it's like chat GPT makes up references but BOD gives you ones that you can use so it's really gonna streamline science.

Richard Aceves:

So Google is not going anywhere anytime soon as well. You're telling me I

Dr Ed:

don't think I mean, because that's one issue. For me, it's good because like, there's there's a lot of science out there, that even in the medical world, people will tell you, there's no evidence for that. And then actually, if you go and read the papers, you'll find it. So there's even I think I sent them to you, but I don't think we discussed on the podcast within the last year. They've done two studies, one that suggested that they had pretty robust evidence for the fact that the meridian systems from Chinese medicine can be visualized using Western techniques, right. They actually had like almost a cool heat map where they looked at areas of the body in response to different teas. So the different teas were known to activate specific meridians and they could see the changes with the different teas in the body. So that was a that was in a decent journal as well. And the other one is that they discovered the organs that they think allow the the energy to move, so to speak between the meridians it's almost like a lymphatic system under the skin, like an interstitial system. So yeah, I think there's going to be some cool stuff. So you can write in these paragraphs and then you can go get the reference

Richard Aceves:

references from all the different stuff. That's pretty sweet. I think that's going to put a lot of people out of it allows the fact check. fact checking to become a lot easier. Now as

Dr Ed:

everybody although Yeah, you can just barge or google.com and you're in. So yeah, I'm sure the the algorithms are going to like the word board at the moment. So we can say the more people will listen to this boggles, actually.

Richard Aceves:

Right. Bark Bark Bark Bark. So you're saying is barred.google.com Yeah, this is not a sponsored pocket

Dr Ed:

so that's gonna be fun. I mean, it will be say I think that happening as great as we can leverage for for the benefit of

Richard Aceves:

nice and what have you been working on because you sent me a picture of a PowerPoint was it or was it one of your thesis papers? So we can talk much on that?

Dr Ed:

Yeah, so I'm writing a manuscript basically, that reviews a lot of the work that I've done previously on the importance of lactate. So essentially linking the type of training that we do, the type of workouts that we do and the ways that we move our body to signals that we send to our brain. And, yeah, the image I sent you basically outlines all the mechanisms by which it might be able to influence our behavior for utility for psychiatrist or anybody that wants to improve their behavior. So

Richard Aceves:

yeah, awesome. And that's earlier today, I sent you a message about reaching out to Dr. Amen. Yeah. And this is why it's I think that he's looking, you know, with the with as the brain as the as the organ is as the muscle. I think that you could add a whole nother dimension to all of that.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, maybe we should send him a message. See if we can get him on the podcast would be because I need to really listen to that podcast and grab on to some bits because I don't really know necessarily what he does as an intervention. I know he looks at the areas of the brain and how they activate and sees areas that are sluggish or not working so well. But it doesn't necessarily talk about what he actually does.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, so he does the imaging and he talked about he had a few case studies. So one was like there was a there's like cysts and inflammation or masses that happened in the brain that can cause the behavioral changes. Yeah. And so you know, he was talking like with his nephew, where they took the combat system, the frontal. Yeah,

Dr Ed:

I mean, I think I talked about that on one of our podcast episodes. I think it just goes to show I mean, that's why when my conventional colleagues I mean, he got ridiculed by conventional psychiatrist for doing brain scans, which was ridiculous, but when conventional colleagues say to me, like, where's the evidence for the tests that you do with people? Right? If you uncover something on the test that saved somebody's life, then that's all the evidence you need to do it again. Right.

Richard Aceves:

I think when I put up stuff like the guy moved Academy, he was like, where's the science behind this and why aren't you doing this, this or this? And I was like, the evidence is with my client that is no longer having hip surgery or, you know, is no longer complaining about back pain every single day, like, what other applications do you need? But yeah, I think it would be a cool, it'd be a cool collaboration. I think he approaches a lot of stuff the same way. He talks about exercise he talks about nutrition, and you know, I'm sure there's probably some light going on in there. Where I think just be

Dr Ed:

that's another interesting piece of the puzzle where these guys who are up in their fields, light seems to get missed out, and it's a big piece. Like so if they learn about it. And on this topic, I am currently chatting to Dr. Jack Cruz, who has just had an interview with Andrew Huberman on Rick Rubin's podcast and, I mean, I've been following him for a long time, but I've decided that it's time we have a chat and I asked him some questions and whether or not you're gonna be on here and ask him some questions do or just listen. He just speaks and but yeah, I'll be I mean, hopefully cool. If anybody's listening to this and has any ideas or specific questions that they would want me to ask or pass by Dr. Cruz. Happy for people to send them to me.

Richard Aceves:

I'm excited for that one.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, I think it'd be cool. I've got some ideas about how to ask questions that he hasn't been asked before, depending on how he wants to go. But it's just nice to get a different perspective, you know, and,

Richard Aceves:

yeah, I'll need to do a lot more research on Dr. Jack Cruz so I can not feel so below par. Well, I

Dr Ed:

mean, the thing is, you could you could be a doctor top in your field. I mean, and look at how he treated Andrew Huberman. Yeah. Like completely abolishing some of his beliefs around I mean, Nobel Prize winners. That he said shouldn't be Nobel Prize winners, right? I mean, I think going into these things fresh and being able to kind of ask them more intuitive questions is also helpful because you kind of come to it without like, the difficult thing for me is I've I don't have questions. necessarily too many questions that asked him because I've listened to so much of his stuff. Yeah, they're not so organic, but there's always

Richard Aceves:

what I think is cool. That is that we kind of had that conversation. You sent a message and he was just open about it. He's like, Yeah, let's make it happen. Yeah, that's pretty sweet. Yeah, well, which is the same with us. You guys can just write us a message. We can chat with you guys. Anybody out there listening or are 10 fans?

Dr Ed:

Any directors of any superhero films?

Unknown:

Yeah, right.

Dr Ed:

But yeah, I mean, shout out to my friend, Sarah, who is good friends of Jack. So she, she's in between us. Nice. But yeah, that should be a fun one. So hopefully in the next couple of weeks. We'll make it happen. We'll make that happen.

Richard Aceves:

Cool. What else is going on in your in your side of the world? Well, I guess we're on the same side of the world now.

Dr Ed:

We are. I became an investor in a regenerative farming project.

Unknown:

Nice.

Dr Ed:

Cool move for like if I discussed that with you, but it's like 16 acres of land near where I live, and they are basically they've got full ownership. It's a really cool couple and they're basically trying to their end goal is 100 Farms over the UK to feed 100 families. Each with sustainable and regenerative food. Okay, and the business model is really cool. So there's basically you pay a monthly membership and that keeps the running costs of the farm covered and then you can come to the farm shop and buy better than organic, like local produce local meat. Gorgeous, just getting pigs this week.

Richard Aceves:

So Okay, nice. So you say regenerative farm is that when they have like a whole ecosystem, so it's like not exactly planned? Like industrial agriculture?

Dr Ed:

Yeah. So they plan everything in a specific way. So when one thing like matures the next thing can feed from that, and then they can use the crops to feed the animals and then the poop they use to feed the crops again, and it will create circles.

Richard Aceves:

Nice. Yeah, that's cool. That's pretty sweet. So they give you access to the shot

Dr Ed:

and the land as well. So they have like, Okay, I'm here to there. So they'll have like little seminars and like a fire pit and evening events and

Richard Aceves:

meals and retreat there like a one day Swami and possibly, yeah, that will be kind of

Dr Ed:

like it yeah, we can invite the pigs and

Unknown:

teach them how to relax a little

Dr Ed:

shout out to my little fun day. And then the other thing that we're going to talk about is the assessment I did last Saturday,

Richard Aceves:

yeah. The back pain, that low

Dr Ed:

back pain assessment and as usual, the, the, the education that you can, or the wisdom you can impart, I don't know what word you want. To use the Yeah, the education on somebody's body and how their body works in terms of movement that you can portray and instill just by doing the SWAMI just by breathing and just by creating tension in certain muscles is it really helps because it's not the first person who's come kind of skeptical and that they don't really know what I could offer them more than what they already know have been told or shown before. And I mean, within 510 minutes, they were like, getting up and like doing that whole thing trying to find the pain and be like, like I've never done ever. Like, yeah, you can you can keep going for a while the pain will come back. But it's just that whole like evolution of oh, there is a different way to approach the body and we can we can use breathing and movement in a very precise way to actively pursue the connection to muscles that previously were not firing as, as well or as balanced or as symmetrically as they were before.

Richard Aceves:

Right. Yeah, it's so go into that and then I want to jump into one is, I had a great call with the mentoring group talking about going saw me at the beginning of the session or assessment or doing it at the end. But so the guy came in. It's always funny, right? Because I think the Swami is always very skeptical because when people come in for like movement assessments or things like that they're expecting I think first and foremost, like passive therapy, so you kind of stretching and doing some form of manual therapy. In that sense.

Unknown:

And then it's always difficult. I think it's always a preconceived, like they're going out on a limb to give you some form of trust, because they haven't been able to find the answer anywhere. But they don't really have. I think that their expectation is still my back is going to hurt afterwards.

Richard Aceves:

So when when you say like he, you didn't really know or you didn't really know what to expect. How did you find him and why did he trust you enough to come in for the assessment? So he was

Dr Ed:

referred by a friend of mine who's had multiple issues over the years. So he's a he's a builder and he also plays Aussie Rules, football, so he gets a fair number of hits and like he, he does a lot of manual work. So you can he was doing CrossFit and ended his knees a few times, fractured his collarbone. And we had an interesting as there wasn't an assessment I was just like, well, let's see if let's see if we can do some movement and deal with the pain in the collarbone. It was pretty fresh, like a week or two after he'd fractured it and I was like, maybe it's not the best idea. Like he was in pain for the whole of the hour session. And I was like, Oh, I don't know if that was good. And then he woke up the next morning, moved his arm and it went click and the pain went and I was like Oh

Richard Aceves:

cool. Awesome.

Dr Ed:

So yeah, so he was a referral and my friend, I guess, gave me a fairly good review, so to speak. And then we went to manual back and forth chatting and yeah, I just was able to offer the unlike, I guess maybe the medical system I was able to offer an appointment a session like very soon to help him out with the pain quickly. And then we were chatting back and forth. And then did a bit of a history. And on the SWAMI he'd gone for a while and again he the back pain had started to diminish quite a bit and then I saw some like shifts in his head and neck and did a release on the first rib. Okay. Thing was on the left side, actually. And he was like, when I did it, he was like, Oh, I forgot to tell you I like fractured this collarbone. There we go years ago, and I was like, Yeah, I could see something. And then he was like, Oh, that was the money shot and like could you see his like me relax after a while. And it was it was just a case of going backwards and forwards and like stressing the back to a point where the pain started to come back and then showing him if we move properly and breathe properly without inhaling through the mouth. Then the back and relax. And this was this kind of dance between. Yeah, you can stretch yourself and you can push beyond your capabilities. Right? But then if you move correctly, then you can move correctly and the pain will improve. Right so then you it's about him finding what what's correct and what's not and then building up the confidence.

Richard Aceves:

So did you find it that it was more on the so it had to do slightly on the hardware side and the breathing mechanisms, obviously the tension in the body. But do you feel that a lot of that pain was also being created on the neurological side like on the on the psychological side where he kind of just wants to keep having that pain there?

Dr Ed:

Yeah. A bit of both. I think there was a few clients with this way where you push them to the point and they get like quite a significant nausea response. And then you can kind of tell them somebody's like gone so slight and they're not really paying attention for a while. Right let the adrenaline come back down and then you and then we went back into calf raises to kind of re gather and get a bit of clarity, which again, brought the discomfort back down.

Richard Aceves:

Nice, beautiful and it was a simple assessment of I love you. So you don't run

Dr Ed:

Yeah, I mean it was it was Swami or we Copan us into some so s raises into a glute bridge just to show him that if he doesn't use his glutes, his back will hurt and if he uses his back he can't find his glutes. And then we did some sled work and then finished with some calf raises. And then again, we got into a conversation and again, I never put a time limit on my assessment so give somebody as long as I feel that they need to get as much value from me as I can give on that session without overloading them. Right. And we had a decent conversation he opened up about a few things and then we went and I showed him how to do lat pull downs and actually feel his lapse as well. So go away with play with different things, but gave him two or three of these exercises to go and get really good at and then just keep in touch.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, that's the you know, kind of the harder thing that I've

Unknown:

That's the hardest thing for me is the not being fancy makes it difficult to sell, shall we say? Right but it's I was we had a conversation on the mentoring program we're talking about like the slash races and people always asking what are other exercises that I can use for this so as I'm like, just get really good at one. Like most of these, you know, we're talking about general health or when you're talking about getting out of pain and discomfort. You hear the bells in the background.

Richard Aceves:

Awesome. I have I live right next to a church so we will hear those every 15 minutes. But like when we're talking about general health or we're talking about getting out of pain, we don't need a lot of complexity. And I feel like this is something that's happening in the fitness industry where they just always keep making things more complicated and just keep adding skill when they're just if you can't even understand how to properly raise your leg for five minutes a day to get you out of pain. Like while you want to be in that payment. So that's why I asked like what were the expectations and kind of like people always come in with a little bit of trust and going out on the limb but they expect to be hurting afterwards and to not really fix their discomfort or their pain because they they're expecting exercises to be the full product when it's not the case we're talking about tension and more importantly, we're talking about that feedback loop of the body and the brain right work and the heart and everything else right so then the diaphragm kind of like all the systems working together, but I love the simplicity of just incorporating five exercises, taking as long as you need and giving that kind of I wouldn't say that pass down of wisdom not so much. Because I feel like education is just about I mean maybe I'm misrepresenting it but I feel like education just memorization of information, which you could have done by saying you just need to do these exercises and you'll be good to go. And it's not that we need to pass down the knowledge of how to create the proper tension for the exercise. And it's funny I did a an online assessment. That was this guy has been having low back pain for three years now. I sent him like a full write up and like I'm talking like 10 minute long videos on me trying to explain how to do a hinge for the eye test so that I could see him move because being online is a lot more difficult and person and even after I sent the 10 minute video, the first response I got was like, I don't think it's safe for me to be doing deadlifts. You really think I should do them for the video because my back already like I'm already stressed out that my back is gonna hurt during the deadlifts. And like that means that you didn't even take the time to watch the 10 minute video because I explain exactly why your back would hurt and how it's gonna hurt. And I saw it and then I didn't respond and and he sent me the video and it's exactly how I said not to deadlift on the video that I sent him on how to deadlift so it just It cracks me up on the on the on that concept of like the simplicity of a movement and having needing to have those conversations and teaching the knowledge so they can feel that that connection I think is extremely lost and 99% of current pain management or discomfort management assessments, right? They're leaning towards skill set and, you know, exercise choices that are meant to be for range of motion of the joint rather than the proper tension of people's muscles that require them or allow the muscle to be the joint to be where it should be in order to get rid of that discomfort.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, I mean one thing he said as soon as we kind of done this one, he was oh, it's a bit like meditation. I was like, Well yeah, meditation like translates as knowing oneself. Right? And that is what this like, that's what we're doing. I'm giving you the time to learn your own body. Like I can't do that for you, but I can show you how to start doing that. Right. And I used a quote from USC I was like this. We've just done calf raises, but you don't know how many ways there are to do calf raises. So the longer than the more times you can do calf raises. The more you'll learn that you don't know how to do calf raises even though that you think you're doing arthritis.

Richard Aceves:

Exactly. And if you're doing the calf raises and it's hurting and you're not changing the way you do in the cafe.

Dr Ed:

And that goes back to sometimes. I mean, it's not pleasant, but letting somebody break themselves a bit more is required for the learning experience. Yeah, because you can just be like, see, you did that. And like going back to the guy you were talking about. He he chose not to learn through you. So he went away in it. We'll learn a lesson. It might not be one he wants

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, I mean, I were gonna give video feedback of like, go back and watch the video and then send me another video of doing the actual hinge or deadlift, like that to me cracks me up because it's I feel there's a large majority of people that will throw money at their bodies issues, to prove to themselves that they have their body issues and nobody can help them. You know what I mean? So it's like you're throwing money at this online assessment. But you're not. You know, it's not a cheap assessment. And even then, you're not following the guidelines that I sent you. Which which I find fascinating because it's not like I just do deadlifts and no explanation whatsoever so that he could go and find whatever deadlift video on YouTube. I sent a 10 minute video explaining how to properly deadlift will do a hinge right. And even then you chose not to listen. Like even to the pain point where I said do the dumbbell and on the video I have one dumbbell between my arms and you put two dumbbells on each side. You just want to be in pain and to prove to people that you're going to be in pain that I couldn't fix you. But you're right. I couldn't I can't fix you. It's you that has to fix yourself. Right. I think we've said that before too.

Dr Ed:

Yeah. Which is I mean, it's a scary thing for people to hear. And I think it happens again like with people pushing maybe for a diagnosis of something. So then they can have the excuse that maybe it's not something that they can change

Richard Aceves:

or they just don't want to put the work in. Yeah, I had another client showed him how the SWAMI could released inflammation. And again, it wasn't the only solution. But it's the start of the POM because he's just so chronically ill now that we need to start somewhere. And again, 15 minutes is all I gave him. felt great. Like not great. I mean, there was overwhelming. There was a lot that that happened from it. But then I was like you just need to do this every day. And of course he hasn't done it since and still complains about the issue. I was like you need 15 minutes for yourself a day. You spend more than 15 minutes researching why you may have these issues and these symptoms. Why can you take those 15 minutes and give me at least a six week block of doing this exercise every single day.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, I think there's part of requirement to validate in some way.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, with the appendix. We just need to be more expensive.

Dr Ed:

Yeah. Well, I think in doing so in, in in giving somebody as much time as they need so for example, like having a call as long as it takes to explain that concept. So I think some people are and again, this is one of this is like my purpose, I suppose in life is to show people who are in a situation that might be stuck that there's another way around the problem that they have, right. There are so many ways of dealing with problems and I think Can you hear that? No. That explaining the approach so one thing obviously I'm into light and of Jack crews talks about is light and sunrise and sunsets is the stimulus to create neurotransmitters. That when you're deficient in them, can lead you to having problems with focus and mood and depression and anxiety. Those neurotransmitters are created by light entering your eye and acting in your brain. No. So a pill may not be the solution if you live in the dark. Or if you live indoors all your life. Right? And it's not again, it's not something that's openly discussed. But when you describe to somebody this is the biological pathway by which we can increase serotonin melatonin. Most people that have mood issues have difficulty sleeping so we can tick both those boxes. Again from the foundational level straightaway and for me, just like you used cooking, to bring everything back around full circle is the sunrise and the sunset, just being present. Being outdoors, not being in intense sunlight, but exposing yourself to the elements and just sitting there and watching or standing there and watching or walking and watching. Realizing that like everything comes in a cycle, so you're not stuck, you just have to wait. Sometimes

Richard Aceves:

you need time to have that epiphany moment Right? I mean, it's like a small rock bottom if you will was like Hey, I need to make this change. Yeah, you know, who were I was having that conversation with with another client you know, like, you're just not you just haven't found a deep enough why? You know, and that's going to come the I can't find that for you. You need to understand when that when that ye comes and sometimes it just takes a really long time. So you do have to wait till you're done in that chronic sickness or chronic illness state for you to realize because you keep having these super small cycles of you know, going downhill and you're choosing not to make any changes. So you're waiting to see how far down and then the problem is that then there's a big fight back. You know, like whether it's gaining weight or whether it's whatever that that endless of that symptom is it's you start to get very uncomfortable in that very uncomfortable situation. And the the fight to get out of it is becoming that much harder each and every single time. You know, I saw that this this time around with with my uncle and you can see that he's he's getting older, but his habits aren't changing as much as he should and the fight just keeps getting harder and harder and harder with age. So that's a nice should be like the wake up moment have to start with one small simple thing. Keep at it for six weeks and then add another one. Like it doesn't need to be a fucking all in or nothing type thing because then more than likely it's not going to stick there's few personality types that are good at that but I think most people like you said if you can just commit to seeing the sunrise or seeing the sunset, every single day and giving yourself those 10 to 15 minutes beautiful stick to that. If you can stick to the hydration in the morning with your electrolytes and your your vitamin B 12 And your cod, cod liver oil in the morning. Stick to that if you can stick to having eggs in the morning every single day and waiting later to have your carbohydrates or you know your your caffeine or anything like that. Stick to that it doesn't need to be anything master link people just make their they put their issues on pedestals and then it becomes very difficult to ever surpass them.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, and I think people try and get back to what once was maybe your like again, as you said getting older is challenging. You have more responsibilities and less of your time. What you perceive is spent on things you can do for yourself. Yeah. So it's just taking the moments when you can

Richard Aceves:

for sure. Speaking of moments for yourself, I have two kids that do not give me moments to myself and then have to go pick

Dr Ed:

them up. That's okay, it's good. Time to end it was a good episode.

Richard Aceves:

That was great. We're going to be more consistent now that I'm in Amsterdam, so we'll be having more episodes guys. Make sure to follow us on Instagram at Dr. Ed caddy and at Red barracuda. We have LinkedIn Richard sevice Dr. Ed caddy, we have Richard evans.com Dr. Eide caddy.com. You guys want to chat? We will always answer your questions. Send us a message. You guys want to come on the podcast, send us a message should be fun. We have a great conversation. Thank you very much for listening guys. And we will talk to you guys soon or you have just talked to them right? They were listened to us.

Dr Ed:

Come talk to us. Come on.

Richard Aceves:

Have a good one. Good. Yeah. That was a good one.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, sweet.

Richard Aceves:

Beautiful. Are you still at work? Oh, you're an hour behind?

Dr Ed:

Yeah. I think we'll be done just after six or recommend today.

Richard Aceves:

Nice. We're gonna go check. Check this out, dude. Wow.

Dr Ed:

Have a kid back or have you got to collect No,

Richard Aceves:

I have to go. I think dad might go I'm gonna but I'm not sure if you went back to sleep. Or not so he'd been fucked dude. It's been like the little ones been up for like, blurs everything about their cameras.

Dr Ed:

Because it just does that boiling and water.

Richard Aceves:

Well, it's now stock ish. But but it's beef stock, onions, garlic, oregano. They leaps and then a little bit of a green softer.

Dr Ed:

Alex nice is a planet will just fall apart.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, so we like a pulled pork and I'll make a salad for tonight

Dr Ed:

yeah, the the inconsistency of my job hours is really screwing up my ability to like plan meals in the evening. Yeah.

Richard Aceves:

What didn't you buy the slow cooker? No, I

Dr Ed:

think I will.

Richard Aceves:

Those things are awesome dude. Especially now they haven't like really well, we can just do timers.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, you can get to you could do things cooking at different times that finish at the same time. Yeah.

Richard Aceves:

When you can do like the air fryer is also pretty cool because you can do How the fuck There we go. Because then you can do what some would call it. You can have like on Wi Fi.

Dr Ed:

Oh, really? Well, I don't think you could be

Richard Aceves:

working like I'm gonna be home and like I'll leave at six and I can be home at seven we can turn on Netflix and we'll cook the food for you. You just leave it in there. So that might be a

Dr Ed:

good idea. I don't have Wi Fi yet. I need it. You still have Wi Fi? I mean, I just turned on my phone.

Richard Aceves:

I guess that works. That works. Alright, right broski some get rockin. We'll speak to you soon. Yeah, talk to you soon.

Dr Ed:

Fetch over the weekend.

Richard Aceves:

Later.

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