The Richard & Dr. Ed Show
The Richard & Dr. Ed Show
#30 - Muscles, Medication and Movement
Richard talks about learning new concepts about how the environment affects muscle tension. They debate the side effects of anti-inflammatory medications and how movement and neural output can help regulate the body instead. Dr. Ed prefers testing to tailor individual solutions for clients, while Richard focuses more on human connection. Dr. Ed explains different types of magnesium supplements and how they work differently in the body. They joke about hunting mice and cooking meals for Feast Friday, a hashtag Richard promotes.
We are back with Professor sunshine over here shirtless in the sun. It's beautiful, nice background looks like you're at a Xavier School. You're probably teaching the excellent a few things about sunshine and staying healthy. How are you doing? Pretty good. Just had
Dr Ed:a call with a client. That was nice. He is a super busy guy, and has basically no routine. So it's in a way it's good because we can start building up from the ground. Yeah. So we can we started talking about the anchor, the first thing we tend to work with people is just having that one daily anchor doesn't matter when it is just so when when the chaos gets too much, you can at least come back to one thing and your day that might be the same night was the anchor. He's gonna wait to think about it and work out.
Richard Aceves:Yeah, I it's it's funny, the anchor is always different for people, right? I feel the I have clients that are on both spectrums. So one is they hate routines, and they're always meeting kind of new and exciting things or they don't really care so much. I mean, we all want to have routines, but then reality they don't they they have a chaotic life. I travel a lot and such. And then I have other clients that are very ritualistic ritualistic about their routines and how they kind of go about their day to day life. They're kind of they enjoy more of the Groundhog Day style of living, shall we say? Meaning everyday is the same. Small factors will change. But for the most part, it's very routine routine esque.
Dr Ed:Yeah, I think I mean, there's obviously a benefit of being able to do both. Most people I guess, fall on one side of the spectrum.
Richard Aceves:Yeah, I enjoy chaos. Yeah, but I enjoy my routine. It's weird. For me, it's I enjoy chaos within my routine. But I hate it. Like it not I don't hate it. It's very difficult. Like when I go to Mexico, like to get my routine going again, it takes me a while to find the comfort and safety to try and be like, Okay, I'm going to wake up and go to the gym like that whole process as a whole. It takes me like a week or two to really kind of get into that that new groove at least even when I come back home. I'm sure kids don't help.
Dr Ed:And I mean, I think every every environment, you have to refine to the safety and confidence and performance right? Those those three pillars are important. I didn't ask how you are, we just went straight to talking about things that are interesting.
Richard Aceves:Well, I'm a bit flustered at the moment at the whole system. Because whenever I try to learn something new, the language that the scientific people the academic people choose to use for very simple terms, is the fumbling to my brain. And so once I actually think goodness for AI that is helping me clarify a whole lot of this otherwise, you'd probably be getting a lot more text messages. But you've been replaced with AI, Mr. Ed. Which makes it easier because then we can have a conversation about it. But some of the stuff that I'm reading, I'm like, Oh my God, and then I you put it in through the Google's AI model that has their new edition that allows you to basically go explain in simple terms, and then I go explain as if I were a kindergarten child. And then I'm like, oh, okay, that's exactly what I was thinking about. But there's a I don't get why the language has to be so difficult in the academic world. But it's kind of cool, because I'm finding out basically getting closer to identifying the information stored in muscles and how they respond. And why the everybody that is teaching position instead of tension in order to get results or get out of pain is absolutely incorrect. And more. So speaking about routines, understanding how the body has a lot more control of how your muscles turn on and off. And the environment has a massive massive implication as to the muscles feeling safe or unsafe in order to contract. So that's been my rabbit hole this morning, which has been awesome. But yeah, that's how I am Miss read. Very much in a excited mood, but more on the learning side of things.
Dr Ed:Yeah, well, I enjoyed your your testimonial post today. Yeah, let's which we discussed. I think we discussed on the podcast already, but I specifically think it's great like going from 600 to 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day, for three months, four months, yeah, to nothing in the space of a week or two. Like, if you if you just look at the, the, the the side effects of ibuprofen I will say this, like the, the indications are they're not supposed to be used like ongoing, right, like chronic use of anti inflammatories usually have to prescribe something like people call them antacids or like something that protects the lining of the stomach, because the gastrointestinal lining really needs inflammatory mediators to work properly. So when you cut that, like system out of the body, it's starts to dysregulated a few things. And we know as well, it can impact the cardiovascular system. Like people can have allergies, and all kinds of weird things come other than
Richard Aceves:other, I mean, you're taking these anti inflammatories for physical pain and discomfort. But that means that another system has to do a massive amount of overwork, in order to keep you know, to kind of be able to produce all of this. All of the functions, right? I mean, so that's basically because it was fun, you're like either the liver or the heart with them to give out if it's not gonna be the low back that kills you. It's more of the liver or the or the heart, I think is what you said. So like, that's a whole nother conversation. But it's a at some point, that's the only thing that's gearing them towards safety. And that was one of the biggest things that we were really working on, especially when he came up for the for the assessment is how can I create the most amount of safety in his body, even though there's there's discomfort, and that's more so because I've been there, where, you know, with my hip and my back, I was in a lot of pain. And it was always a I know I'm in this safe position. But why is my back spasm me out. And it's it's how do you start to create safety in Britain, you know, way before it became a trending thing on as a fitness or a social media influencer, I learned to really control my breath as through movement. But more so after the back would start to spasm. It's like, if I learned to control my breath, I can really control how I feel inside of my body, which lowered the inflammation, lower the intensity signals, and then I could start to create the confidence through proper movement, that I'm not going to get hurt again. Because the main thing is, you start to perform too early, and there's a safe sensation of confidence, which would be the anti inflammatories or a cortisone shot, or, you know, whatever it may be, but the system hasn't changed, gotten stronger, hasn't changed his perception or his belief system of the environment, internal or external, it's gonna come back and bite you in the ass. And that's why you have these spurts of intensity. So for him, it was just that it was, how can we get the best results of safety first within the system so that it doesn't have such aggressive signals of intensity. And then from there, we'll build the confidence by re teaching the body how to move properly, and reteach the proper muscles to engage when needed under stress.
Dr Ed:Yeah, and this is where my mind goes as well. So if we, so one of the side effects of non steroidal anti inflammatories, like Ibuprofen is that they, they can be taxing to the kidneys, because the is the inflammatory system that prostaglandins control how dilated the vessels going into and out of the kidneys to how much blood flow is getting to the kidneys. So if you have a really elderly person who has pretty enough blood flow to their kidneys already, you can basically put somebody into acute or chronic renal failure just from giving them an anti inflammatory at the wrong time. And crazy, but going back to movement, the neural output to the muscles is dependent on nerves from the spine. So in back pain, we know that there's probably a lack of neural output to the psoas and the kidneys get neural output from the spinal nerves from the lumbar spine. So l one two L three I think or similar nerves to ones that so acids using and when I do assessments, and we do either the oblique open up Swami or TSO s raises like a pretty high percentage of the time people will go to they'll they'll do the exercise and then realize they need to go to the toilet and they'll go to the toilet. And over the time of like, is that just a coincidence or is it with them? created awareness, neural output to the psoas. And then the kidneys are like, Oh, actually, we need, like, we do need to go to the toilet, and maybe they've numbed that signal. So by if I translate that like that, again, I've got no medical evidence for this, like, Can back pain be associated with poor flow of blood to the kidneys? And then can we make that worse by using things like ibuprofen. So we're stacking these things on top of one another. So by improving the neural output to the psoas, we improve neural output blood flow to the kidneys. And then the whole system can start to regulate itself better.
Richard Aceves:Right? Yeah, and I mean, when you look at Eastern medicine as well, I mean, they had a lot of this stuff mapped out, you know, the, there's a big triangle between the muscles and certain chains of muscles to certain organs to brain parts, the parts of the brain and sorry, not brain parts. It's a it's an interesting concept. And of course, the deeper and deeper you go until you start to look at, you know, the nerves that are actually starting to communicate within the muscles, because it's not about the joint position. It's about the tension in the muscles, and more importantly, the communication that the Mackenna receptors from the skin, the eyes, basically, the observation of what's going on in your external environment is sending internally to how much tension or neural output or connection these muscles need to have. So the muscle, the spindle cells, have the muscle spindle cells have these kind of neural receptors. So they're the nuclear nuclear bag fibers and nuclear chain fibers. See, I'm starting to memorize, I'm getting better at it. But these are afferent signals that are being sent in order to give the muscle the response, which is kind of cool, because that was one of the biggest things I sent you the message this morning. I was like, ah, that's interesting. So these afferent signals, block out the efferent action. So what does that mean, you could still have muscles and not be connected to them. And so the ones that this is where I'm trying to get out, and I'm trying to get flustered, because it's one paragraph, and I'm having to, like decompose it. But essentially, that efferent signal, which is what we're looking for, gets you out of discomfort brings down the inflammation, and allows us to have the change in behavioral cycles, or the information of traumas being released. So that's, that's a very cool concept that I'm going deep deep into, and I'll go a lot more deep into it with the mentoring program, because I want to test out, and that's the stuff I've been talking with you it's where, where the chain of command is with between the bigger, more efferent muscles to the smaller, more afferent, or the kind of emergency signals of the muscles. But essentially, it's all played out. It's just they big, they missed a big part of the study, which is what information do the D cells have? Not just what are they community? Like? What are their signals? That what what information are they holding on to? And how is it? How does it work together as a unit because all this stuff is coming from physiotherapist books and from anatomy of of, you know, anatomies and the anatomy something medical book, so all the information is there. But since they fragmented the muscle to just be this kind of twitching on an off piece of information that's very binary pieces of information. They don't even take into consideration the information that it can hold. And you know, as you start to look more towards Eastern medicine, they were already ahead of the of the game in that one. And then you start to look at physiotherapist is not even like how is the physiotherapist, are you disregarding this and saying that a serratus is under active and needs more work when there's absolutely no neural output of a left Dorsey when the serratus anterior is half of not 1/3 of the size of the lat dorsi. And extremely, it's a lot more a Ferrant a lot more reactive than a lap dorsi. That to me, it's just an easy escape. So they both depress the shoulder but yet when you have shoulder pain, they start to tell you that you need more cereda. So I've had like four or five cases now that have come back and they're like my physiotherapist says I need more serratus I'm like but you don't have an existing lat. The serratus is literally just clinging on to the ribcage, the lat dorsi the insertion of the lat dorsi and the external oblique are both into the spine like they share the same insertion. Like how it just baffles my mind that you've just missed out on what it takes to create tension under Heavy Load or under stress for people that are doing strength and conditioning is ridiculous. I don't I want an assignment. It's been a long day. No, I
Dr Ed:mean, it's irrelevant. It's, I think that's the it's both our superpower. And our challenge is that there's these very obvious things, pieces of the puzzle, which, maybe 80 or 90% of people who are in the mainstream, whatever that is, are not even considering. If they were to address them, then they could have a massive impact on themselves or on their clients. And even even, so I bought the case that you've been working on with the guy that you posted on on social media with reducing his medication, but also, I put my own I test holding something over my head and to your group of coaches this morning. And we had like, what, five or six inputs, which are, like, all useful. From five different coaches that you've coached that all know the way that you look at the body? Yeah, so they can go away and solve the same problem for their client. Which means that they can solve more problems and other coaches.
Richard Aceves:Yeah, they can, they can give more solutions. Yeah, and it's, uh, you know, that's the that's the name of the game is how can we educate more coaches to change their lens or their scope, to challenge what they're learning? And that's, I think one of the biggest issues that we're going to, I don't think issues maybe it's going to be the next evolution of coaching is understanding that we are dealing with the service of human connection. And it should be service to human connection with a solution. And that solution needs to go towards primal. Primal triggers, right? And so the problem is that we're looking at primal triggers as aesthetic changes or numbers on a scale, which is really more of a conditioned, shall we say, fitness matrix of, you know, what is the fad and what you're looking for, as far as losing weight is going to have the results of being health not being a result of fitness, right. So obviously, some people do need to lose weight in order to be healthier. 100%. But we know that, you know, and this has been the conversation for the last three decades, maybe two decades. But you know, the number on the scale does not reflect your health, essentially, I mean, to a certain point it does. But if you're getting lighter and lighter and lighter, but you're still not having muscle mass, you're not necessarily getting healthier. And so the change that needs to happen in the fitness industry is like the change that you're seeing with tequila. And you know, very oxymoron. But when you look at tequila anywhere in Europe, and most of the US outside of the last, you know, four or five years, tequila was That's disgusting. No, thank you. Because whenever you thought of tequila, you thought of the cheap shot that you were being they were going to take at any party to get drunk and wasted and probably wake up hungover and puking. But now that they've invested so much money on tequila, if you've noticed, it probably started maybe about 10 years ago, when the rock started to promote 1942. Don't Julio, and then he came out with his brand. Isn't that weird? You know, so you start to see how they start to change the view of what tequila is. Now tequila isn't just about taking shots. Now there's a lot of like, hey, we sip it, we can actually taste it like a fine whiskey. There's, there's the diversity, there's, there's a craft behind what it takes to make tequila. And then, you know, along came the skull, which is probably like seven years ago. And the skull when you went to Mexico was the cheapest shit. Like you were always afraid to drink because it was mainly moonshine. And so people were like, yeah, there's no way in Mexico, but then some Americans came like, Bro, why are we paying tequila? When we can have this like, you know, kind of crafty hipsterish you know, artisanal new beverage called Mezcal. And so, mezcal came into the scene already becoming this elevated spirit that's competing with tequila and a lot of with whiskey and a lot of countries because it came in with a refined palate. It's not something that you take a shot off, it's something that you enjoy like a smoky whiskey. And so you're starting to see that redefinition. And I think in fitness, it's almost getting to that point where people are just like tired of the bullshit, right? So I mean, it started in the early 90s with like the infomercials or the six minute ABS And, you know, tonne booty for 24 minutes a week. And then you have like the, what was a PR or px 90 or 90 PX or something like that. And you start to see these fads come around orange theory in the US F 45, which f 45 is doing some great stuff. But again, there's it has its limits. And now within the last three years, I mean, right before COVID started, you start to see the talk of mental health coming into the picture, and anxiety and depression and how it can be better for you. So now, a lot of these coaches and PTs that we're used to just passing a test on the NASM, or ACE, or you know, you're crossing level one, or when like, holy shit, well, you know, I could be a great salesman. But then if I don't keep up my knowledge base, I mean, what's what's going to stop AI from having a little hologram popping up and coaching my clients, which is what peloton is sort of doing now, right? They're doing like their live classes, and they're trying to build a community, not really working out. But then you have the mirror, you have all these other other pieces of technology that are coming in, but people are still missing. And the biggest thing, which is the connection of humans, and more so being able to understand that we're extremely complex, and it's not just a fact of, you know, you're going to do ABCD. And you're going to get the results, which is what a lot of people have been, or losing trust in is the program obviously doesn't get the results. John Welborne actually just started doing a podcast. And he kind of went off on these perfect programs that never worked for anybody, which is kind of funny, because he monetized making a shit ton of programs and selling them for quite a quite a few years. But any, neither here nor there.
Dr Ed:That Well, I think that my there's always an evolution. And I guess you'd have to have gone through that phase maybe to then evolve to get to this phase. It's funny because I had somebody say, Oh, I've seen that you've been working with x y Zed, and they've posted that they're doing these things and feeling the benefits. And I wondered if we could have a chat about what I can implement, whether I should do these things. And,
Richard Aceves:oh, hold on a second, I want I'm gonna cut you off really quick. Because I feel that doctors are always the same. You're gonna respond like my dad, although except for my old my dad's very old school, he's like, take to leave in the morning, take to leave at night and you know, go for five days and then see if you feel better. With if you broke your arm, that would be his answer. That would be his answer. For the most part for the other family, that was always the case, right? I'm gonna guess you're gonna respond? Well, let's get some testing done, so that we can really know what's going on? And then answer and then I'm going to follow up as to why that is so important.
Dr Ed:Yeah, well, it was more, at least I need some data about you to then make my decision on. Because the things that have worked for other people unnecessarily like this is this is one pet peeve of mine at the moment, is everybody thinks that by doing an ice bath, you're automatically gonna be healthy. Right? Or like trans, like anybody, just adding adding an ice bath for anybody is going to be better than not doing an ice bath. Right. And I'm like, if you're super stressed, with everything in your life at the moment, and you add in more than two to three minutes, or even less or longer of stress, at the start of your day, you're just training yourself to become very stressed. Yeah, you're not improving your ability to handle stress, you're just training yourself to stress out as soon as you wake up. And everything that goes along with that, like you can change your mineral balance all of the chemical things that can happen downstream of that. For some people, they need to get better at putting themselves in stressful situations, in which case, maybe the ice bath is good training for them. But there's other way to build up stress too. So yeah, it's, it's my, I love to see the patterns, and I love to see the gaps in the whole network. One of the elements of that is having the testing so I can see these are the nutrients you need. These are the behaviors that will be helpful to balance everything for you. And also seeing your life. Like what behaviors are you using at the moment? Or how's your routine? Or how is your sleep? Or what are your relationships like? And then from there, we pick out the low hanging fruits and go again, the one thing that's interesting in conventional medicine, and it's kind of now starting to enter the literature is that if you break a bone, you don't get a medication to help you fix the bone. You have a cast on the bone and that gives you the environmental conditions to allow you to heal by yourself, you can have a cast and you can keep smoking and taking non steroidal anti inflammatories and actually, the bone doesn't heal. And that can lead to incomplete bone healing and lots of problems. So there's other elements to the healing, that's important. But our very primal approach to fixing bones is just put it in the right place and leave it there. And re if you give it enough stress, but not too much, it will start to heal. Yeah, so you can translate everything out from that. It's the one kind of field in conventional medicine that I'm like, Well, that makes sense. That's how the body is designed, like you give it what it needs, which is, it's broken. So stop breaking it even more, just give it give it a bit of support. And then it can foster this like full physical and chemical and maybe even emotional response to allow the bone to go back to where it was. And actually the bone regenerates. It doesn't, like heal. So you get new bone.
Richard Aceves:How could my bone didn't heal, but it was a bone transplant. Maybe that's why Yeah, that could have been,
Dr Ed:I mean, sometimes you need to bridge the gap. But then sometimes,
Richard Aceves:you just don't listen, because you're just stubborn, and you're an asshole at 18 years of age. necessarily give
Dr Ed:it the optimal conditions to allow it to heal on its own. But you did also give it a lot to do like however many fractures at once. That's a lot for the body to man who was trying.
Richard Aceves:I'm here today. So that's what No, but it's a it's a super, I had a conversation today with with David will have to have him on the podcast. But he went to go see one of his doctors. And it's super interesting, because he's like, you're not having enough sodium. No, you're having too much sodium and potassium seemed to change the type of salts that you're having. And then he was also taking the incorrect type of magnesium. And he just thought, you know, just by magnesium, and magnesium is magnesium. But apparently there's like different types of magnesium that you can be taking. So that's also, you know, a very important part of why you should be getting your tests done and understanding having somebody that can actually help guide you through all these parameters. Because when you're hearing that blanket statement of take your vitamin D take your magnesium take this take this take this when you're taking supplements, they also provide when you should probably go deeper into this because now I'm gonna start to sort of bullshit, but you they have different types of magnesium. Is it phosphates or magnesium?
Dr Ed:Yeah, so there's, there's different so you can have magnesium which is bound to different things. So you can have magnesium three and eight, for example, which is they call neuro mag, which is well documented to cross the blood brain barrier. So for people that struggle to sleep or relax, magnesium three and eight can be really helpful. And there's magnesium malate. So Malley is one of the intermediates in the citric acid cycle or your energy production cycle. So it goes to basically is thought to go more to muscle. So if you train a lot, then make magnesium malate can help you relax your muscles better in theory. And then there's magnesium sulfate, which is usually your Epsom salts, which is well absorbed through the skin. And we need sulfur as well. So that can be helpful. And then there's various others magnesium toor eight and chloride I think
Richard Aceves:exactly we should go get tested.
Dr Ed:And there's there's cheap forms as well which they use as fillers, which they sell and end up with a really crappy form that you don't really absorbed very well. It's not very bioavailable, and then you've you've wasted your money
Richard Aceves:is that the more you go and shit your pants because I when I was in my CrossFit days, I bought magnesium. I took a little bit too much, but it felt more like laxatives and a relaxed, I mean it relaxed something.
Dr Ed:So some of them aren't really absorbed. But they they are good as a laxative. Okay, that's what I bought use it.
Richard Aceves:Yeah, go for the cheap supplements, guys.
Dr Ed:But some if that's your intention to if you're constipated, and just go to the bath winning just go
Richard Aceves:buy cheap, cheap, cheap, like Holy smokes. Well, that's again, why there's just I think that that's the key of always needing to have that sort of special touch in the health industry, right. That's where we need to be more precise. And that's why it cost money because there's a lot of time being invested into learning all this shit. But anyhow,
Dr Ed:I dig it. Yeah, and I think in an ideal world where we could live on caves and make fires and go hunting, then you don't need to be so precise with what you do because you do to go catch the food and eat it. Well now, we can do so much this complex in the modern day, then you need more complex solutions sometimes, if the answer is not just going back to the nature,
Richard Aceves:I felt like a caveman today I'm hunting a mouse in my house. Because I live in Houston and throw shade at it. You got away, but I know where he's hiding. So I'm getting prepared. It's gonna be a war tonight.
Dr Ed:Like, you're some you might like, want to play with it.
Richard Aceves:That would be cool. Hey, listen, I mean, as long as he doesn't get rabies, or black plague or something will be okay. But data does not like mice, so or rats of any nature. I already got one. I mean, it's Amsterdam. I'm like we live in Amsterdam, the city center like one of the access to the Amsterdam has, has three axes as their city symbol. And one of them is for the great flood, the great fire and the Black Plague. So, I mean, they're known for having mice and rats throughout the cities, especially in the city center where the buildings are like older than you know, going back to the 1500s. So I need to find a solution for all this. If anybody has solutions, please send me a message. And not the humane kind. I'm not I'm not gonna I'm gonna Pablo Escobar this motherfucker. Okay, so deal with it. I won't eat it. But that's okay. It doesn't need to be the I've seen the shows where the rats and I've had rat soup. These are too small. I don't think it would be edible. We've mainly bones
Dr Ed:on that note, I didn't really have anything to add to today's episode.
Richard Aceves:Feast Friday, so I started this movement hashtag feast Fridays. So it's not a feast every day so don't do like feast every day. Don't change my hashtag. I want to be kind of I would love to add like a trending hashtag. So if you're listening to this on feast Friday, put on your stories hashtag feast Friday and tag me where Barracuda and Dr. Ed catty and it shows what kind of feeds you're going to be cooking. I think I'm gonna go for a be Kanye this week, because I've been pretty into the cut the buff and the bone in rib eyes, but I'm gonna go for it be Kanye or have a vet this week and do more like a taco night. Because I'm in the mood for more Mexican style because it's sunny and warm. But that's we might fees
Dr Ed:Friday. Sounds good. I have to plan. You
Richard Aceves:need to plan something. Don't rush it. I get upset when people rush. Shooting meets. I need to have a talk with actually I have a call with Jack today because he's messed up some meats and he's like, he just throws them in the trashcan. I'm like you we can salvage this. Like if it goes south. It's okay. It's you can still save it. But he chose not to listen to me. So don't waste food guys. If you have questions on food or cooking tips, reach out along with my many hats that I wear. That is also one of them. I enjoy cooking a whole lot.
Dr Ed:Cool, and you can reach out and all of the places. Yeah the servers though at rare barracuda. There's various websites.
Richard Aceves:And that was a great that was a great episode. I love you guys. Thank you for listening all 11 fans were actually was building up fans were doing pretty good.
Dr Ed:Heading towards 10,000 downloads. That's where
Richard Aceves:that's where I want to be. So share this guys share this with everybody. And thank you very much. Have a good one.
