#22 The Almost Double Hip Replacement with Jack and Terri

On this episode we Welcome Jack and Terri. They discuss Terri's journey through debilitating hip pain and how they came across Ed's path and then my path to find a solution for her pain. We hope you enjoy. 

Summary

• Introduction of the episode. 0:03
  • Welcome back to the show, jack.
  • Back pain and hip pain.
• How did the hip pain and back pain start? 2:29
  • Finding the missing pieces of a true crime story.
  • Hip pain and back pain.
  • Pregnancy hormones and the left side of the brain.
  • Emotional mapping and trauma.
• Hip pain during pregnancy. 7:13
  • Getting worse hip pain in 2017.
  • Hip pain in 2018 and 2020.
  • Going to a sports doc for cortisone injections.
  • Chiropractor took x-rays.
  • Hip impingement, fly fix program.
  • How hip pain affected her life and her identity.
• The build up of pain. 13:39
  • The build-up of pain intensity over time.
  • From 2014 to 2023, improper movement patterns.
  • The importance of re-teaching the entire body to move correctly.
  • Cortisone injections and hip replacement.
• How did you get through the pain? 18:17
  • Pain and discomfort on a daily basis.
  • Researching private hip replacements in Canada.
  • The pain got worse since 2014.
  • The surgeon asked about cortisone and lumbar spine.
• What are the options for hip pain? 23:05
  • Two options for hip pain, injection and surgery.
  • The first sign of joint pain.
• Confidence and taking risks. 24:55
  • Hip replacement is not the answer.
  • The first question is a funny call.
  • Health is the most important thing.
  • Invest in your health and take chances.
  • Creating safety inside the body first.
  • Creating a form of communication between the body and brain.
• The brain vs. the body. 32:04
  • Body and brain connection is real.
  • Four months of working with a client.
  • Short-term, medium-term and long-term goals.
  • The importance of having a follow-up plan.
• How do you get a clone? 35:51
  • The importance of being open-minded in the first place.
  • Richard and Edie talk about emotional mapping.

Transcript

Richard Aceves: 0:59

Alright guys, so we had Jack in our last episode. And now in this episode we brought Terry along to kind of give us her story her take on kind of her recovery from almost getting a hip surgery. Mr. Ed's here, Jack's here Karis. Here's gonna be a fun episode. Are we doing? Good?

Unknown: 1:21

I'm excited.

Dr Ed: 1:23

I'm great. So I'm going to talk about that first, if I'm allowed to,

Richard Aceves: 1:28

yeah, why not? You got the sun, but no burn this time.

Dr Ed: 1:33

It's all relative. It's certainly not Mexico. But yeah, I wanted to lead off. So we're gonna be talking about Terry, she had some back hip pain for a long time. I wanted to say, kind of I was first on the scene when Jack mentioned this to me. And I will say before we go on to this whole story of a long term back pain that obviously, I'm conscious as a medical professional, that there are some types of back pain that you need to take more seriously. Usually, that's the acute type. And there's certain symptoms that we get worried about as doctors, those are suddenly losing control of muscles, or suddenly losing sensation, not being able to control your bowels and your bladder and having symptoms of infections, fevers and all of these other things back pain in the middle of your back, higher up rather than the lower back tends to be more worrying. If you have those, obviously goes to your doctor, because we're probably going to go down a path that we don't paint the medical profession in a particularly good light here. But sometimes it's important to rule out things that are concerning. As I thought I'd start there. Yeah,

Unknown: 2:56

that makes sense. So last episode, I turn the Cambodia calories. We had people messaging are saying you didn't really talk enough about Terry's here. And so we're back doing this, and we've got a full timeline. So people tuning in, they're going to be people coming from my Twitter whose partners might have issues. Terry's put together a full timeline, we're going to go through the story of what happened. So if people have got pain problems or hip problems, do listen that long, that could be something that you identify in yourself. That's going to be a fun, fun conversation.

Richard Aceves: 3:25

For sure. I told Terry, because she likes true crime stories that we should treat it as a true crime story, which Yeah, I mean, essentially, whenever I work with a client, I am a detective. I'm just trying to find the missing pieces, which I think is what ended up happening in Terry's case. And yeah, seeking, you know, and that's, I think always one of the first things to ask is what are the structural issues because of there is herniations bulging discs, flip discs, use discs, any of these, the nerves do get aggravated, and so there is an extent to my abilities, I wish I could just magically heal everybody. But with the work being put in correctly, I think that there is always at least we could minimize quite a bit of the discomfort and prolong if not completely avoid the surgery. Or having to go under the knife because I think that's a very drastic need. But many people use that as an option, when it doesn't necessarily need to be so. But anyways, so Terry, why don't we start with how did the hip pain and back pain kind of started and what's your, your kind of backstory on it?

Unknown: 4:38

Okay. Please ask questions as I'm going along in my timeline. But it all started in 2014. I had my first set of x rays done on my left hip because it would make noises while I was doing exercises like it would make a clicking sound. So when I had those x rays done, the GP at the time told me that I had mild arthritis, and I didn't ask anything further. I didn't really worry about it at the time because it wasn't hurting me. And I figured I would worry about it down the road, which is where I'm at now.

Dr Ed: 5:16

And were you doing pretty pretty heavy exercise back then powerlifting or

Unknown: 5:20

not at that time I was a couple years into like, I would say bodybuilding but you know I was doing like that style of training back then the for a couple of years. No pain, no gain, no pain, no gain. Yeah. I didn't start more into like powerlifting until 2018. So in August of 2017 That's like when I became pregnant and my hip pain really started when I was pregnant like first trimester. You know, hip pain is excess is expected but it started really early on. I And at that time to that's when I had hired a new coach, like here in Manitoba. And I started focusing on strength training, even when I was pregnant. Like I was like hitting PRs, like doing deadlifts and stuff like that.

Richard Aceves: 6:08

I love pregnancy hormones.

Dr Ed: 6:14

So this is actually a point. I don't know if I'm allowed to interject here. But this is the point when I because I guess it was on the left, because Jack said that it got worse during pregnancy. And in my head, I've seen this a lot of times. And maybe Richard, you want to talk about this, that a woman going through pregnancy is going through a big identity shift or going towards a big identity shifts. And for me, that's why I guess more on the left side, because due to the work Richard's done with emotional mapping, that was where my mind went. So I don't know if you want to jump in there. Richard, you're welcome to carry on the story. If not,

Richard Aceves: 6:55

yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, it's funny how these feedback loops kind of start to play along, but it was, when you start to lose the sense of self, it's usually the loss of neural output for the left, so ask. And less so as just the so as major as a whole can contribute to so much discomfort if it's not being activated or worked on properly and continuously. And so that's where part of that shift happens. I know, there's some other stuff in there that we can go into if Terry wants to go into it. But yeah, there's, you know, it's always a great, I'm not crazy thing, when the emotional, sort of the traumas sort of start to relate to one another. It just keeps confirming the patterns that I find with traumas, traumas, right, with with events happening in life and discomfort, or lack of neural output and connection to muscles. Kind of go side and side and correlate with one another. But, yes,

Unknown: 8:04

I'm definitely comfortable getting into it if you want to. So 2017 you start getting worse hip pain. We're living on our old house. We just moved. Okay. Back here. A few 1017. You had issues started powerlifting. It got worse than during pregnancy. You had back labor, which is Oh, yeah, some kind of that was awful. A lot of pain there. Yeah. But after, as soon as we were done, like labor, my hip pain went away. It was almost instant. It was still there. But it wasn't as severe as it was the entire pregnancy. Like that was the worst part about my pregnancy. It's my hip pain. So then hip pain done to 2018 we're still living at the old house. Yeah. And yeah, 2018 to 2020. I had hip pain, and I had discomfort, but it was like tolerable. And I would just avoid exercises, exercises that would piss it off, like sumo stance, like deadlift and stuff like that. I wouldn't do to clarify on this year, so people don't understand. You know, when someone's in pain, women are, I think women are better at this than men, where they'll kind of keep quiet about it. There'll be some pain, but they'll suffer not silently, but they won't moan as much. If I'm in if I was in that pain, I'd be moaning every day. Right? So at that point, it wasn't ruining your life. No, it was just a it was a pain. It was inconvenient. You weren't moaning about it, but it was always there. Yeah, pain, but two years 2018 to 2020. Yeah, because in 2020, that's when I had another x ray done on my hip, just to check, you know, to see how it was with my GP here in Manitoba. And, you know, she said that it was mild and to continue strength training, and nobody noticed that my hips were I guess, different. And in November of 2021, my hip was bugging me a lot more and I had to go start seeing a physiotherapist. And I don't know at what point I couldn't put like my sock and my shoe on. So January

Richard Aceves: 10:05

Pardot. Oh, no. We're listening. We're doing good.

Unknown: 10:10

Yeah, so and then January and February of 2022. I was working with that physio and she had suggested that I would go see a sports doc and look into cortisone injections in my in my head to see if I would get pain relief because I wasn't getting pain relief with her. You know,

Richard Aceves: 10:26

with the sorry with the with the physio. It started off with pain relief, though, right? I mean, that's where you kind of kept going to see her or not really,

Unknown: 10:35

not really like she also specialized in pelvic floor therapy. So we did you know some stretching there and that gave me a little bit of pain relief and mind you like this entire time, like when I was pregnant until a couple months ago, I was going through deep tissue massages to because that would, you know help the pain for a couple of days and then it would come back? Yeah. And so it took a couple of months for the referral to get in to see a sports doc here. And so that was April but just before that is when I threw my back out, I was doing a like a barbell box squat and my back just went out. And then I started seeing a chiropractor. And he took x rays. And he was like one of the first that recognized that my hip was impinged Collaroy quarter. Yeah, he was really wonderful. He helped a lot, or at least he advocated for me. And yeah, so shortly after that, that's when I had my appointment with the sports doc. And he immediately told me, he couldn't do a cortisone injection on my hip. And then he made a referral for an ortho surgeon there. And this is a sports doctor, this is the best place you go where we are at the top top place you go to get help. There's no you don't have a level above this in terms of sports doctors. So Terry's gone there at this point. This is what we've got. This is all just our, you know, free health care system here. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. So in the meantime, like, we just thought that my hip was impinged and you know, I was looking at getting a scope done, right. And at least that's what we assumed was gonna start with his where they cut into the hip and shave it off or something, right. Yeah. And so yeah, so during that time, Jack found me a program. The Can I say it? Oh, yeah, it was called Fly fix. And that was for hip impingement. It helps people didn't help Terry. Every single time Yeah, I couldn't get my leg in the majority of positions. And like the, it was not fun. But I did it anyways, for a few months until, until my appointment with the ortho surgeon in November. I also worked with a different physio at that time to fly to know but hold on, we're in November 22. At this point on the timeline, in the UK, Terry was in pain to the point where it was ruining her trip, it was ruining her experience. She couldn't do things. And this is where it got to the level of this is actually starting to ruin my life. Right? Because I want to point out cuz I saw that right. And I can remember that, vividly seeing you in that pain. Now, it wasn't just, oh, she's in a little bit of discomfort. But if people don't get this and you don't get this, how much pain was actually increasing? Yeah, it's we're trying to sell like my pain. Yeah, well, you're not. You don't be the victim. So I'm trying to people are listening need to know how that. Yeah, it was affecting every single part of my life. Yeah, it was sleep, walking, sitting, I couldn't run. I couldn't do a lot of things. It hurt. I didn't want to do anything.

Dr Ed: 13:27

And on the other side, it also it's also taking away from the enjoyment of the fact that you like lifting. Yeah. Like it's gotten hobby that you lose.

Unknown: 13:36

That was a huge part of my identity was training like that, for sure. You couldn't, I couldn't deadlift. And it was a huge part of therapy for me. I've been in the gym for over 10 years, and it has helped me manage my anger.

Dr Ed: 13:50

Yeah, and I've seen I've seen, so whenever I hear femoral acetabular impingement. I mean, I immediately just go, how's the psoas? And can they hinge. And so it's words described by the medical system. But again, it's a movement issue. So it's not a medical diagnosis for me. And Rich taught me this. And he has a story about a client who I think ended up having the hips shaved on one side, was that right? Rich, and then they were gonna get the other side done, and you taught them how to hinge in 20 minutes, and then they didn't need to have it done. Yeah.

Richard Aceves: 14:34

Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's the craziness, right? It's always for me, it's fascinating because it's, it's more so the the buildup of of pain, the buildup of intensity that happens over time, when it's stress becoming chronic and a daily thing. And I mean, I remember that from my own recovery, where it would take me 45 minutes to try and get out of bed. Because my hip would lock up so much from from after my accident. And so when you have such a hard will to do a your hobby, which is powerlifting and you are lifting heavy weights, and very, very strong improper movement patterns, because the position looks correctly a lack of knowledge or wisdom from professionals that are trying to help you in the sense that their lack of knowledge comes from being able to see the tension in the right muscles working versus just putting you in the position or giving you a program that says this exercise is going to give the results of no hip pain, right? Because you can do any exercise 10,000 ways, if not more, and so for for, you know, being able to put myself in your perspective, Terry, where you're, you know, the pain starts as a clicking like that's kind of weird. But you want to keep going because your salvation is going to the gym and letting up the anger. And then that, you know, I'm sure that there was a point where there was a little bit of pain or discomfort that was a bit elevated. But then as you start to get used to it, because the body wants to survive that, you know, pain of seven or eight, now becomes a two or three, that improve improper movement pattern cues, building the improper tension in the muscles, keep on building, and then that three or four trends to an eight again, and so then you find somebody else that can quickly relieve the symptoms of discomfort, but not provide a long term solution to get rid of the pain. So then that that eight or nine starts to become a three or four momentarily. So you can continue to push your limits, you know, in deadlifting, or walking at this point, sitting at this point are now all being taught with the improper tension. And so you know, this is starting in 2014. So from 2014 to 2023, you were being taught and conditioned to have an improper movement pattern. And even though it only seems like you're only being taught an improper movement pattern on a deadlift, which is a hinge exercise, a hinge exercise is also walking. It's also running, it's also picking up your kid, it's also trying to sit down. So now, everything is being affected by one exercise that was taught incorrectly, and it translates over to everything else in life. And that's, you know, I think we're maybe jumping a bit on the timeline. But that's kind of where you came to see me as like, we just need to reteach the entire body, how to move correctly again, because these improper movement patterns started to translate over to everything in life. Yeah, we can go into that a little bit later as well.

Unknown: 17:40

They got a couple of things, and then we're gonna get to where we met you. Because that was a fun. Yeah. Go Go. Go. Yeah, so I mean, November 22. You on? Yeah, that's when I met with the ortho surgeon. And he only did scopes. So he told me he could not do a scope. That was the first thing he said to me when he walked into the room and told me I had auto pelvis and then told me my only option would be a full hip replacement. Also, pelvis being the the hips, the hip. It's not the hip joint. It's not the hip socket, it's the actual thing is going into the body. Right. It's pushing up into the body. And we thought it was getting worse and worse. But we'll talk about the circumstances to that, doesn't it? And that was pain related, which is why we thought it was getting worse and worse. Yeah, so He also suggested that I could try a cortisone injection, to see if we could get my left leg like my right, because he obviously did an in person assessment. And I have the range of motion on my right side, but I don't mind. But I don't on my left, you know, and also to like, nobody ever asked me about the way that I train or any kind of exercise or anything like that. It was just, oh, I can't move my leg, we can try cortisone, or you got a hip replacement. Those are my two options. So and then, like, the next like, overwhelming thing was finding like the wait time for an assessment from an orthopedic surgeon was 14 months, and then another 10 for surgery on top of that, which that was overwhelming. Yeah, because it's like, I couldn't imagine living in that pain for that much longer. And then I also was like, super worried about my right side doing the same thing as my left. And you couldn't sleep without pain every night. You went to bed. You were taking Advil far too much. Yeah, it was taking Advil, so you had to, and I wouldn't take anything else, you know, but yeah,

Richard Aceves: 19:23

yeah, it was. I just want to go back really quick. The birth was a natural birth. Yep. Yeah. So just for anybody out there. There was a natural, a woman that was able to handle a natural birth. You know what I mean? Like, just just, yeah, just just to allow you to understand the amount of intensity and pain that you're going through and discomfort on a daily basis. Insane.

Unknown: 19:47

Yeah, I wasn't on pain medication. No, either. Yeah. No. Yes. Which contact

Richard Aceves: 19:53

probably probably better right. To not be taking I mean, not better, but less addiction to our chances of getting addicted at risk. All that all those bills. Yeah.

Unknown: 20:06

Yeah, so December 22. When was it when you got the injection? Was that simple? Okay, no. So that was fast forwarding to January. So, you know, from November to January, it was like a second job trying to research private options for my hip because there was no way I was going to wait 24 months for hip surgery. I couldn't, I could not. No, no. And also like, I'm a stay at home mom. My daughter just started going to like a daycare two days a week in January. So my life has been a stay at home. She's very active. I'm very active. And I just I could not wait for two years. So anyways, we found a handful of companies that are private here in Canada, and I spoke with three surgeons on the phone. And then like I also spoke with the other surgeon here in Manitoba, and then I had sent my X rays to come who only did full hip replacements and they approved me just based off my X rays that I'm qualify for a hip replacement. I'm just gonna talk about the X rays, which I know you don't put a lot of weight on the X rays, but we'll talk about our thinking at that time, the X ray showed the hip hip in 2014. And then the additional X ray showed her hips looked like it was protruding further, it was super inflamed coming up into her body. So the narrative we had was, it's getting worse, it's got worse since 2014, my pain got worse, and the pain got worse. So we're matching that narrative side by side, oh, this image is worse, her pain is worse. So we've got this narrative on our head, and we're doing our research and then also researching autos disease, there's like next to nothing about it on the internet. And the only things that we could find was that people ended up having a full hip replacement, because scopes don't work. And that's their own motion, we'll get back to the X rays,

Richard Aceves: 21:47

because well go back to the X rays, because they'll make a good point that it's not about joint position, and bone structure, it's about the tension in the muscles and the capacity to sustain the structural parts of the bones of the joints. So keep on going.

Unknown: 22:02

So in January, we decided on a surgeon, and he, you know, he asked the most questions, you know, he asked about a cortisone injection. And if I did that, and he also asked about my lumbar spine, because he saw on my X ray that my L five looked a bit wonky, and he wanted to make sure that my source of pain wasn't coming from that. So at that time, too, I also booked surgery with him for March 13. And in the meantime, I was preparing for surgery, like all the pre op stuff, and then I had another x ray done on my lumbar spine. And then he also wanted me to do a local block injection. So it wouldn't be a full cortisone shot, because that would prevent me from having surgery for three months. It was just something temporary, he wanted me to do to make sure that my pain was coming from my hip. I went to my GP here told her what he wanted me to get. And she ended up doing a a numbing injection into my femoral nerve on my isn't the same thing as a local block, which isn't what the surgeon actually wanted me to have done, apparently, but I did get pain relief. Okay, so the injection was done, right? Not done wrong. But the right injection wasn't done. The surgeon wanted it to be injected into a local block injected into the hip joint. What happened was a numbing agent was done around the hip joint. And following that. Yeah, anyways, yeah, so I did have some pain relief with that, but my pain was still there. Like I you know, you measure it, like I couldn't bring, I couldn't lift my leg or my foot to go up the stairs. Right? You know, like, not like a normal person. And I still couldn't put my soccer my shoe on or get full range of motion. Oh, again, it's Amsterdam now. Yeah. And then the next. I spoke to Ed on our early February, I spoke to Ed, we're catching up. We covered this, but I just had a gut feeling just mentioned the X ray, and then Ed, source and stuff and edits of thinking more. And then YouTube got on the phone, and we're talking and it was, and I got a good vibe. About this on last episode, right?

Dr Ed: 24:00

Yeah, I mean, I'll say something about this, just from what you've said. So when Richard said Jesus as to the two options offered, which is an injection into the hip, and surgery. So our framework as doctors is, we have an idea about something what it could be, and then it's conservative measures, I think that you can do without medication and surgery, medication surgery. So for some reason, I probably know the reason but we always seem to miss and go past the conservative lifestyle interventions. And when it's joint related pain, for me as a, a, an apprentice of a movement specialist, will say like, understanding the movement is important. So yeah, if you have a tight so it's the first thing you're going to hear is acid tabular impingement. And then as time goes by, the service gets tighter and tighter and tighter, it's going to start getting pulled into the socket, which is what you saw. So the narrative was there. It just was looked at with the wrong perspective through the wrong facet of the diamond, or however you want to see that. And yeah, as you said, we had a chat and because of a few things I put together and the fact I didn't know, I was probably just in a good mood from talking to you, Jack. And I thought, well, we'll get Richard on as soon as we can. And Richard and I are fairly slapdash with our like, let's just do something immediately. And he was on the call, and then that's where things got fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Unknown: 25:40

I was like, confident not cocky, is what I said. It's how I describe Richard. It was the it was the right vibe. Yeah, we jumped on that jump on the phone with your mom. And then we just flew to Amsterdam, I think within a week.

Richard Aceves: 25:50

Yeah. That was it was a funny call. I mean, we'll recap just in case people haven't heard the other brother. Call but other podcasts but it was. I mean, the first question is, I'm confident because I'm never going to overstep my boundaries, meaning if I don't know something, I'll tell you, I have no clue we could go try something out. But this one, I just didn't see the reasoning. Why hip replacement? was the answer. There was no, there was nothing structurally fucked up on the bone. Like whether the femur head or the hip socket, and even the lumbar, like everything was safe and sound. So it just baffles my mind that the only two options would be those two. And I guess you could have a third option, but you're already way past the pain scale to have that third option, which is stop doing what you're doing. Stop lifting. Stop playing with your kids be sedentary, don't do nothing. And we'll be Yeah,

Unknown: 26:52

sit down. I didn't exercise for three or four pains. My leg was so mad.

Richard Aceves: 26:57

Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. So that was the reason why. And you know, for me, it's like, we can do these interventions online. But it takes so much work, especially, you know, for me, my my, my head frame kind of went my headspace one, two, you've been conditioned to move so well. And just understanding a tiny bit of that history, I was like, anything I tell you to do, you're gonna do it A to Z. But you're not going to understand how you're getting from A to Z. Which means if I would have said do the SWAMI session for an hour, you would just lay there and your backwards still hurt. So it needed to be. That's when I when I was for sure that I was like you need to be here because we need to make sure that you're not just going through the checklist, because it's not the exercise that's going to be fixing you that's going to be helping you right, it's going to be getting rid of the pain. It's how you're doing the exercise, it's going to be so so crucial. And so that's when I told Jack I was like, Hey, you guys can come here for three days. I'll definitely be able to do something about it and a very competent kind of way. And you messaged me like hey, we're flying in on Wednesday. I was like, Oh, cool. People usually people are usually like, oh yeah, that's great. And then I never kind of hear from them again. So I was like, awesome that coming in for three days. I'm excited.

Unknown: 28:16

That's how big of an issue it was. I mean for people listening you know, like you know, there's spending money where it makes sense it like your health is the most important thing. Yeah, your health is the most important thing and people won't spend that on their health because they don't think they have this weird delusion even listening to this episode because they haven't been through this I think in our is that for me and everything else. It's fine to be skeptical but you've got to invest in your health and take chances and I said worst case we fly to Amsterdam it doesn't help

Richard Aceves: 28:43

but and you can you get to go see a stand up comic which Oh, yeah, that's true.

Unknown: 28:51

We come and see you Terry's and bearing in mind Terry aren't lay down without pain, calm walk without paying can't do anything without paying. We can't see you. I'm watching you, right. I've never met you. We talked but I'm watching what you're doing. I'm gonna It's just some like, weird, like, mental thing that he's doing or hypnosis. I'm watching. I'm like, genuinely curious. And like the attention you pay to specific things. That's fascinating. You start off with this some kind of oblique opener, and then you're getting to move and you're adding things in. And you're watching. You're like, so honed in on certain details, and you're pointing and I'm following along. I don't understand that. I understand bits of it. But you're pointing out things she's doing that she shouldn't be like the back the back was contracting in certain movements, and it shouldn't be and you were trying to get it into the glutes. And then she was you're doing deadlifts and your glutes weren't even activating activate your glutes and like I and it was all in her butt and I could see that I could follow along with what you were doing. But what was fascinating of people listening, Terry came with pain, couldn't run couldn't do anything. She was running on her tiptoes racing Richard this is absolutely hilarious, racing him running on her tiptoes holding a 40 or 45 pound medicine ball and this is someone who couldn't sleep without pain that is what blew my mind and that's what has started my curiosity and everything that's going on if I would run like that it would put me out in it for like three or four days I would be in so much pain Yeah, that mess in my mind. So the assessment Richard, what happened? What what were the issues?

Richard Aceves: 30:23

Yeah, so I mean, there was a lack of glute max and so as major and for me it was you know, I go over this so much but we needed to create safety inside of the body first. And the more that we can create the safety in the body, the more we can communicate to the brain to not freak out as much you know, and we've talked with this with that and it's like, people coming to see me that are you know, in Terry situation are always very skeptical. But they're willing to go out on the limb, right? Because there's no other options. And so they come and see me. And they are very, very skeptical. And more importantly, their identity. And their mantra is, it's going to help, but I'm still going to be in pain, no matter how hopeful you want to be. It seems to be like the, the, okay, well, I'm gonna do what you're gonna tell me. But I know, I'm still going to be hurting, and it's going to be painful. But let's go try it anyways. And that was basically like, that was the funniest part was after like five minutes of the of the SWAMI and oblique opener, where I was like, cause of failure, like, well, son of a bitch. You know, because they're like, how is that possible? Like, it's not the exercise. And it's how you're doing the exercise. And so that's been, you know, something that I try and coach to the coaches and tell everybody, it's like, I'm honing in on very specific things. And I know when you're doing it, and when you're not. And so something so simple as laying on the floor, breathing and truly contracting the right muscles, send the signals of safety to the brain going, like, Hey, we got this, like, we don't need to be screaming anymore. And so information immediately starts to go down. And so that's why after 510 minutes as a cause of is like, well, son of a bitch, I feel good. And we just keep pushing. And so basically, all I'm doing is through the muscles, I'm essentially creating a form of communication between the body and the brain. And we're slowly stressing it. So the brain goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're gonna get fucked up. And the body goes, now, well, I got this, we're good. And so that's all we're doing is we're just slowly giving these little hints of neural connection to the right muscles, creating the right amount of tension in the right muscles, so that the body can move how we're supposed to move. So we're just re educating the entire body to how it should have been moving from the beginning.

Unknown: 32:59

of body brain connection is real, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced in theory, but also experienced it myself. We talked about this last episode with the whole bicep thing and being a mental limitation. You know, I didn't, I wouldn't have believed any of this stuff. But having seen it and experienced it, it's kind of shook me up a little bit. If I'm honest, it's kind of undermined everything I believe about the body. It's like a whole new lens. I'm looking at right. I'd also like to note that we're like four months in working together and I'm not in pain.

Richard Aceves: 33:26

Yeah, yeah. And lifting the heavy sandbag. And lifting the heavy sandbag. Yeah, exactly.

Unknown: 33:35

It's gradual, like gradual improvements. Yeah, like there's Yeah, I would say like, there will still be some like discomfort, but it goes away. It doesn't last it doesn't get worse. I I can sit in stand and run and go upstairs and exercise and move like normal is improving. So bringing me up, for example, she took you took a video, I took a video when we got back of how far I could bring my knee up. And we just Yeah, and we checked it the other day, and I can bring it up way higher. Yeah, it's improving. Richard, you gave a period, I don't know, if you said 18 months or 12 months, you said something like that it was significant amount of time. And we're only three months into it. If you think about it, I've been training wrong for like a decade. So, um, I'm on your timeline, I'm good. I'm so certain everything

Richard Aceves: 34:21

I gave I gave 18 months, because there will be some fall backs. You know, and I gave 18 months in the sense that I know how much she loves powerlifting. So my goal is, you know, with 18 months, we're going to have a powerlifting. And going back to her old deadlift PRs and backprop PRs without Pingdom. So that's, that's my goal, at least in my head, like that, like, and that's where I told you, I think, on the call, and or the first day here, I was, like, I, whenever I start working with a client, I really start to understand what it is they want long vision, and I start to create that timeline in my head. And you know, as the as you know, there's always going to be things that might bring you down a bit, so we got sick, or this or that, but for the most part, pain and discomfort and all of this will be minimized, you know, there will be soreness with intensity and such, but it will be the debilitating pain. So the body right now is still fighting when there's that amount of intensity. Mainly because it's just trying to go like, Whoa, we're starting to push really hard, are we sure we can do this, and then it proves that it can still move correctly. So therefore, it gives a little bit more and so to get that full mobility of the hip, and to allow you know what, for me, one of the biggest things was watching your standard she just couldn't she would put zero weight on that left leg and even walking there was that hobble because there was so much fear to put the foot down and three days in and she was we were watching her walk and she was walking so much better. So those are the bigger things that I'm looking for. You know as far as that Short Term medium term goals like the short term goal is out of pain immediately, but also providing long term solutions to that pain, because it's easy to get somebody out of pain. But if there's no follow through pant plan to add more stress, as soon as you start, I mean, what are you going to do when, when your girlfriend's getting a little bit older? Right, the stress is gonna come back when you have to chase her, when you have to pick her up, he's gonna get heavier, you know what I mean? So we need to make sure that when we're getting people out of pain and discomfort, we're continuously adding proper stress, so that you can handle the real world. And that's all we're doing. So that's why I gave 18 months as I think in 18 months, we'll be back to doing, you know, if she's still into wanting to do powerlifting, or strongman or any sort of sport, you can do it and be at those heavyweights because she was she was lifting very heavy, impressive weights.

Unknown: 36:46

That's not. Yeah. And that's, that's where we are. I mean, that's your asset. You're working away with Terry and improving things. We're going to see you in person, hopefully, in August or September or something and keep keep going. We'll make it how do you how do you get a clone, you got to clone you a million times? As learning? Yeah. But it's like zoning, you got to be open minded in the first place. Because Richard, when I met you the emotional mapping stuff I was, you know, I'm like, skeptical about everything, as you know, arising things. But I've now seen enough stuff happened firsthand that it's, yeah, it's very uncomfortable. Because you realize that it's, it's true. The brain connecting with the body is a thing, there is a connection there. And we kind of suppress it because we're all busy working. We're not thinking about that. We're not in a tech world and not tuned into our bodies, we're putting in food that doesn't help us. I can attest to that. And we're just so detached from that. And then someone comes in and has this sort of connected way. And they suggest it to you like no, I don't I can't be that. But it is that and then you you experience it. And you can't argue with it. seeing it firsthand is the ultimate proof. That bicep thing still blows my mind. By the way, the whole guy passed. I'll never forget that in my life. I thought a few people that story. Yeah. But no, Terry Terry can sleep without paying. I mean, yeah, this is not the people listening. I don't know, like, Rich, I feel like you need to be touring, you know, because people want to come and see you. It's like the Richard and Edie tour. There's some things there that can be done. Yeah, because we have

Richard Aceves: 38:20

to get it. Once we get the branding and the name a little bit bigger. I'm sure there'll be there'll be tours. But you didn't give me an idea. Because I can't be everywhere. But I started to make, I put a lot of thought and I started to build a program that will have like, basically the safety competence and then going back to everyday tasks. And so that's going to be hopefully rolling out soon. Awesome. Because I feel like there are people that are not, you know, at a time where they can leave and just, you know, go somewhere for three days and do everything. So for me, the biggest thing is I just want to make sure that I can impact as many people as much as possible and kind of try and make their lives better. So we'll figure something out.

Unknown: 39:09

All right. Well, that's the story.

Richard Aceves: 39:11

Yeah. What we'll do is I think that we should post this up and then we'll see if people start posting questions and we could do like a follow up one. Or maybe we can make like a live and do something exciting. Like that. was great seeing you guys. Love it. We'll, we'll keep on. Keep on chatting. Thank you guys so much for listening. Make sure to follow all of us. I'll have the links in the description. I'm tired of all these out of chakras. I just want to have a good conversation guys. Thank you very much, guys. Have a great one. We'll talk to you guys soon and you guys will be listened to us to a year