Reclaiming 20 Years with One Simple Hack: Insights from Michelle Glogovac

In this episode, we sits down with Michelle Glogovac, founder and CEO of the MLG Collective, an award-winning podcast publicist, and host of the Simplified Life Podcast. Michelle shares insights on how to simplify our lives by managing screen time, particularly the impact of smartphones on our happiness and productivity. We discuss practical tips for reducing mindless scrolling, setting boundaries with technology, and the importance of being present in the moment.

Key Topics:

• The impact of smartphones on happiness and productivity
• Practical strategies to manage screen time and reduce mindless scrolling
• The significance of being present and setting clear boundaries with technology
• Noticing and appreciating nature as a simple way to find peace and grace
• Michelle’s entrepreneurial journey from the corporate world to founding the MLG Collective
• The importance of aligning work with personal values and finding joy in what you do

About Michelle:
Michelle Glogovac is THE Podcast Matchmaker™, a podcast publicist, author of How To Get On Podcasts (McGraw Hill, 2024) and host of the award winning podcast, My Simplified Life. She works with entrepreneurs, authors, and experts hone their storytelling abilities, grow their businesses, and elevate themselves as thought leaders. Michelle is a wife, mom of two, stepmom of two, and a fur mom. She has her B.A. and M.S. in Law, and is the Founder + CEO of The MLG Collective®.

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Hey everyone. It's Kristina with the She's Brave Podcast. Imagine it's the end of your life and someone says, would you like an extra 20 years? And your answer is, no, I'd rather have 20 years scrolling mindlessly on my phone.

Well, I have news for you, my friends. Did  that on average you will spend 20 years of your life just scrolling through your phone. That's according to Dr. Adam Alter, PhD.  What can we do about this? And how can we simplify our life in today's world? This is just one of the many topics I'll be covering with today's guest, Michelle Glogovac. By simplifying your life in one easy hack, you can get back 20 years.

Michelle Glogovac is the founder and CEO of the MLG Collective, a podcast public relations agency.  She is an award winning podcast publicist and host of the Simplified Life Podcast. I love it so much.

Welcome, Michelle. 

Thank you. I'm so excited to get to talk to you today, Kristina. 

You speak on a variety of topics, including PR, entrepreneurship, life lessons. You've interviewed and worked with Emmy award winners, international best selling authors, advocates, activists, and many other individuals.

We have so much to unpack today, Michelle, I'm super, super excited to have you on my podcast. 

Thank you. I am super excited to talk to you and to get people to simplify their lives, especially with the scrolling.  

Let's just dive in and start right there. Let's start with that because that is such a shocking statistic. And I've been reading a book recently, called The Anxious Generation and they have been doing studies mainly about young people, Gen Z.  Even in the general population, happiness levels have gone down by 10 percent since smartphones became a thing. And it's so interesting.

I feel like our lives just keep speeding up and we're going faster and faster. Give us some tools about this whole smartphone issue. How can we simplify things as far as our smartphones? 

I'm curious about the 20 years, is that 20 years for people our age or 20 years from like my children are obviously getting screen time much earlier than when I did because cell phones didn't even exist?

So what is this 20 years? And is it for them going to be more like 30 years of scrolling that's being taken away because we're introducing screens at such an earlier age. We just gave them iPads for Christmas because they're learning how to type. And this is another thing, back in my day, high school was when you learned how to type, um, so that you could use all 10 fingers. They're learning now in third grade. So I didn't want them to get behind by not knowing how to type. So we got them iPads with Bluetooth keyboards and everything. But I have noticed that when my son, he's nine, has too much screen time, his attitude changes, he gets angrier, and he's noticed that too.

So he knows that when I say,  what, bud, we are taking it away. His attitude changes. He becomes much more. Just the regular person that we know, so if that's doing that to him, and we know that his brain still formulating and our brains aren't completely done until we're 25 plus, what is it doing to the rest of us?

I know that for myself, , my kids might say, oh, you're on the phone all the time. Mom. And yet I'm not because when I go pick them up from school, that's two o'clock in the afternoon, my day is done. So as I'm, , doing dinner or doing homework, I will pick up my phone to check my emails because I've just left three hours earlier than, , what a nine to five person is. 

I think that there's a difference in when we say scrolling through, are we just mindlessly scrolling on social media or are we purposely going into our email saying, did I miss something? If not, do I put it down and stick it away? There's the wonderful flexibility of having access to our emails.

When I get out of the shower, I can check my email and I don't have to go run to my desk or, , leave to go to an office to do all of this. But at the same time, Are you putting it away and not looking at it like you would if you were at a nine to five and in the office, and that was where your only access was. 

I think that we talk about work-life balance a lot, and I don't believe that balance really exists. I believe that you need to be present in the moment that you're  And that is how you achieve, quote unquote, balance. So if my moment is to be right here with you, my phone is in airplane mode. I am focused on you.

I'm not looking at my emails. I don't have children coming in. If my time is to do homework with my kids, then I'm at the kitchen table doing that homework and I'm fully present. 

And that's really what balance is. And , if we look at it that way and you put the phone down, , are you eating dinner and have your phone in your hand?

We don't. That's something that you don't get on your iPad at the dinner table. We don't get our phones. That's when there is no screen time, unless there's some sort of a big game on the TV, that's the only screen that's going to be on so we can watch it. 

I love it. I think that's how you simplify it. You have to be present in the moment that you're in and fully present, not distracted by something else.

Are you reaching for your phone because you're bored? I have found that if I'm watching TV with my husband and it's not something that's been DVR'd, so there's commercials, we'll both pick up our phones in the middle of the commercials because we're bored. And that's literally why we're checking it.

The commercials are not doing anything for us. Who wants to watch a commercial?  So we pick up our phones and we're scrolling and it's like, Oh, do you see this? Reel? Oh, do you see this on Facebook? This is hilarious. That's what we're doing. What is it taking it away from? Are we not connecting with other people when we should be?

Or are we just on our phones looking at what other human beings are doing and do we need to.

You have a lot of really, really great points. One I liked was that you mentioned later on in the day, like you're done with your workday at 2 PM. I love that set, you've set a lot of really clear boundaries.

I think that's key, but to get us to spend less time on social media. I love the fact that you said later you might pop in and check your emails. That's actually very different. According to the studies, that's actually very different from being on social media. Being on social media actually does something very, very different to your brain than watching TV. Or even checking your work emails. Like those two things actually are not that bad for your brain. Watching a TV show is actually just sometimes giving your brain a rest. It's not really that bad for your brain, but social media basically creates a sense of urgency that never goes away.

That's actually not natural. In our society, if you think of how life was a hundred years ago, they had a sense of urgency during harvest, for example, but then that sense of urgency would go away, right? Like there was an end to it, but with social media, there's no natural end anymore. And I love the fact that you've set parameters like, okay, now it's dinner.

So like no social media during this time. And I think that's really the best way to start like for those listeners out there who are just saying, OMG, that's me. Like I don't want to be that person who at the end of my life has spent 20 years scrolling mindlessly on social media. Cause that's what they're really talking about.

They're not talking about watching a show that you really love, or even doing work. It's not about that. It's about mindless scrolling. So, I love your advice about just starting with  having those parameters, like for that listener out there, who's just saying, that's me, I'm freaking out and I'm scrolling mindlessly nonstop.

What advice do you have? What little hack do you have to get them going? Maybe spending less screen time, set some time limits. I do this for my children. When you have the family share plan, you can go in and say that you don't get to look at the SAP at a certain time.

You have only so many minutes a day on this one. Everything shuts down at a certain time, , do that to yourself. Yeah. Take off the apps on your phone because you can use desktop versions too. I love that. I love going on for me. I find it easier when  you have to engage, right? This is what all the algorithms tell us we have to engage.

I prefer to go on my desktop to pull up threads and to type my reply that way. 

I love that. 

I'm not just on my phone.

I love removing social media from your phone. It's no longer on your phone. And then it becomes work. It's like, I'm going to sit down on my computer and get my social media work done because we do have some, in our field, we have social media work that does have to get done.

And then, it makes looking at stories different. It's not the same. You can't click through it the same way and it doesn't make it as enjoyable, it's much more intentional. I think that if you're using a desktop and you have to do this, as you're scrolling with a mouse instead, it's very different than just flicking with your finger. 

There is, I don't know if this Instagram account, it's called influencers in the wild. No, never heard of it. It's Hilarious. This is where I would go for my entertainment because it is videos of people who  aren't all  influencers. They think of themselves as influencers who are out in the wild and caught doing their selfies, doing things for the camera.

And when you look at it also that way, , besides the scroll, what are we doing for social media? It is so hysterical and yet utterly sad because if you end up on this Instagram page, you don't really want to end up there. It's what would you do to be on social media? That one I can look at all day because it's just, people who are on the beach and they're posing and then the wave crashes and makes them fall down.

Gosh, that would be funny. 

And there goes their phone into the ocean. 

Yeah. 

But somebody caught this on video. Yeah. So, these are hilarious. To us watching them. But why are we doing this? Why are people out there? Basically risking their lives on a cliff in the ocean with their children.

And then others are finding it so ridiculous. I'm going to capture that moment too. We just live in this different world, all around, and for it to be 20 years of our life, it's baffling. I just started reading this new book. It just came out this month. It's called 4,000 Mondays by Jody Wellman. 

And we all have 4, 000 Mondays on average to live. So what do you want to do with those 4,000 Mondays? And she gives you a calculation from where you are today. How old are you? Are you male? Are you female? Calculate it by 52 weeks. And these are how many Mondays you have left.  So what is it that you want to do with the remaining Mondays that you have?

To go, do you want like 20,000 of them? Well, 20 years times 52 weeks, a thousand, right? A thousand Mondays. I only have 2080 Mondays left. I calculated it this week. So half of that, I want to be on social media. No, absolutely not.  So my new question that I'm doing now, because her whole book is about having regrets when you die.

Cause we're all going to die at some point. 

Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to say, I wish I had done this.  

My whole question now when it comes to, do I volunteer for this? Do I want to do this task? Will I regret doing or not doing this? 

Yeah. I love that so much. I actually just finished the five regrets of the dying. I think that was the name of it. Bronnie Ware is the author. Bronnie Ware, she's Australian and she spent eight years as a caregiver. She was young. She was a young woman who just kind of like accidentally found herself like to be really, really good at caregiving people that were dying. And she learned so much about what is important in life. And it's not what we think it is, or the way we're behaving right now. Speaking of such, like getting back to that hilarious thing about influencers of the world and people like, look at me at the beach and then the wave comes in and knocks you down. And, it said that the environment around us has an absolutely huge impact on the quality of our lives.

Like there's a lot of studies about this going on right now. And it's interesting to, to even, there's a lot of studies going on about what happens when we go as far as possible away from our screens to natural environments, tell us a little bit more about what you think about that and how that can help us.

I think about when I'm on vacation and the most peaceful vacation I've ever taken. I went to Necker Island in the British Virgin Islands and I was there for a week and we had cell phone coverage, but. We weren't using our phones and I felt just this grace. That was the word that kept coming up to look at what's around me.

Look at this, is what I get to wake up to, this is so beautiful. And now I come back home and now what do I do with it? How do I bring that feeling into my everyday life? And, of course, then all the responsibilities come back and now you're in mom mode and I got to go do this and I got to run my business and I have to do this and the to do list continue.

I have a client whose book just came out. It's a photo book called Still the Art of Noticing. In which she decided 12 years ago that she was going to go on her walks with her dog and take one picture every day of something she found in nature  and she would post about it and it's now this gorgeous bestselling book, but she talks about how in noticing she then discovered the Japanese 72 micro seasons.

So everything in our world, in our nature, in our world changes every five days. I've never heard this before. This is so fascinating.  And so when I read, she's got essays within the book and then these beautiful photos. But when I read that, I went, Oh, , I, I didn't know. I noticed when, , the leaves change, I noticed when they fall off or whatever.

And so as I was washing dishes, I have a view into my neighbor's and got some beautiful magnolia trees and different things. And I started paying more attention to it and looking, and I could see that, yes, every five days, These buds change and the leaves change and there's something, and it's beautiful.

And it's literally right outside my kitchen window. And then I started noticing it on the drive and pointing it out to my children every morning, , we're going two miles to school. Look at that tree. Did that look like that way yesterday? And there's something about you connecting much deeper with what's around you.

And you notice that we were surrounded by beautiful things. We don't have to go to the British Virgin Islands to see them. It's nice, but we have these things right here in our backyards and our front yards. On the drives that we're taking every day to work. How about on our break?.

At work, maybe stepping outside for a few minutes, right? 

Yeah. That walk around the block, where you're already looking at the neighbor's house to see what they've done. So let's look at the flowers that are planted. What trees, what do they all look like and how are they changing?

Because these are living things too. And I think as we take notice of them.  There's a difference that grace, that peace within us starts to come out even more. And of course this then ties back to now you aren't scrolling. You don't need to see all of these things. There's beauty right outside your window that you can look at and notice and create this emotion inside of yourself as well as appreciate what you're surrounded by. 

Michelle, I love that. And those are just ridiculously easy hacks. So if you're saying I'm a mom, I don't have time for this, , but you're the mom that's  usually driving your kids to school and or picking them up at least some of the time. And why not spend that time, looking out the window or you're the mom doing the dishes, look out the window.

There's a tree or a bush, or something out your window that you can look at and just such easy hacks or even just out running errands, you're going to be driving through, you're going to see some trees, even if you live in a city, there's trees, there's trees, there's flowers, there's green, there's beauty at just such a great hack.

I mean, love it. 

Yeah, it's so simple. And it's so funny because when you realize it and you start paying attention, then you notice it. And that her book is so beautifully named, , the art of noticing, because if you do just stand still for a moment and notice what is right in front of you, then the world looks totally different. 

Yeah. Yeah. Love it so much. And I love that whole five day thing too. Like how everything changes. 72 micro seasons. 

Yeah. That is really cool.  And there is something to it, just stopping and noticing. And when we're just looking at nature, it just calms us down and it's such a beautiful thing. 

I want to switch gears a little bit with you. Just because my favorite topic of all time is entrepreneurship. And I do love your story. So I want to, I want to go there a little bit and just have you share your journey of how you got to where you are today because you initially started out in podcasting production and you were really deeply unhappy.

So tell us that story. And I love how you didn't just say, well, I don't like this, so I need to just completely stop and go do something else. Do something else. And I just love everything about your story. So tell us more about that. 

Yeah. So I started off in the corporate world. I sold jet fuel to corporate flight departments for 18 years and I was laid off.

And at that point I thought, , I've done my time. What can I do for myself? How can I make a living? But be at home with my kids. So I don't have to travel if I don't want to. I don't need to have a part time panty. And a friend from a birthing class said, there is a life and business coach who's launching a podcast.

You should listen. And I said, how do I listen to a podcast? This was 2018. And I discovered the purple button on my iPhone. Oh, that was how. I knew the podcast has been around. I knew what they were. I never knew how to listen to one. And so I started listening and she was saying, we all have a purpose and a passion and I was like, yeah, I got to figure that one out.

So I was putting that on social media of I'm on this journey. I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to figure it out. So if you want to follow along, here I am. And this is the show I'm listening to. And she ended up reaching out to me and said, do you want to pitch me to be on podcasts because you obviously like the content I'm putting out there. 

And I went, yeah, I'll do that. I'll try that. I don't know how I'm doing it or what I'm doing. And in the way that I am, I have to learn everything that goes into something that I'm doing. So when I sold jet fuel, I could tell you everything about how oil came from the pipeline and it got to the plane and how we sold it.

So I wanted to learn everything about a podcast. So I took an editing course. I figured out I didn't like editing, so I knew how to do it, but I didn't want to do it. But I also learned how to write show notes, and how to repurpose content. And I did all of these things. And I did the pitching part and I fell in love with the pitching part.

The production part, I was sharing with you. Like, I did not like the emails at five o'clock on a Monday night of, Hey, I just forgot. I have an episode that should go live tomorrow at 5. 00 AM. Can you just get this done? 

I can't believe somebody did that to you. Hey, it's 5 PM on Monday. And can you please just do all the work there is to putting together an episode and I need it by 5 AM.

Wow. It was a lot. And that happened more often than I would like to remember. And at that point, there's the work-life balance thing. I believe that owning my own business and working for who I want to and setting my own prices meant that I could have that boundary.

'cause it's five o'clock and I need to make dinner too. And I have kids to bathe and put to bed and this doesn't work with all of that because now I'm gonna be up until midnight. No, this isn't acceptable. I don't want to do this. I don't enjoy this. And if you can't figure that out, we need to part ways, but I need to figure out what do I like to do?

And I found that in pitching clients, I was getting to know the person I got to know their story. I got to figure out, who is it that you want to reach and where are those podcasts listeners? And then researching the hosts. And what are they trying to accomplish and bringing people together and then hearing from listeners of, Oh, I'm so glad I listened to this interview because it did this for me, or I learned this and I went, this is what I love.

This is what I meant to be doing. And so I stripped away all of the services. Um, the offerings of production and said, I'm just going all in on pitching, the niching down, there's that, do we niche don't we niche. And if you're going to just do this one service offering, do you only work with a certain type of client?

And no, I don't, I work with all kinds of people who do all kinds of things, which makes it more fun for me too, because it's not the same thing that I'm working with every single day. Right. Okay. But I love that I get to help people share their stories while also building their brands while helping other people.

It's such a win-win all around and it's rewarding. And so I figured out that's what I love to do. And , as any good business owner does, we look at what others are doing in our space, and how can I achieve more than that? How can I give a bigger offering to my clients that exceeds what they'll get anywhere else.

And so I've always strived to do that and to give more, to do more.  And then that's how I came up with it. I'm going to write a book about it too, because I know not everybody can afford to work with me, but I feel. That everyone deserves to be able to share their story and that they should do it the right way.

And there should be a right way and a standard in podcasting. And so that's why I wrote the book. So now instead of spending thousands to work with me, which you still can, you should, but if you can't afford that, then there's a book for under 25 that will teach you everything that I know how to do.

To help you share your story and to build your brand and to elevate yourself. And so that's where we've come to today. 

That's incredibly generous of you that you wrote a book and that you were willing to share that information because there's all kinds of people out there, there's people who do want to do it themselves and then there's people who don't and all the people in between , and what I love also about your story so much is it's I think sometimes, especially in today's world, again, getting back to the cell phones, like our attention span has decreased.

So like our ability to stay with a task long term has decreased, like to really stick with things to get things, to have more patience, that is really decreased. And I love that. You were in production and yeah, people were saying, Hey, like it's 5 PM. I need this.  Do you need to do it now? And, there could have been a part of you that just said,  I'm done.

Like this crazy and it's great that you noticed and you're like,  I don't want to live this way. Like I don't want to just be told at 5 PM that I've got to get this done by 5 AM. I don't want that. And yet there's parts of this that I like. How can I?  So instead of just throwing the towel in, you just thought about how can I make this better?

And what parts do I like? And I just think this is such an important point because we all have jobs, we all have careers, we're all doing different things. And sometimes there's parts of it we like and don't like. And think there can be a tendency to just kind of gloss it over and just think it's all or nothing.

And you didn't do that. 

No, and, I think that as an entrepreneur, as a business owner, especially when you're just starting out, you come from the corporate world. We have all of these mindsets that we think are, this is how it is. And, customer service, you have to do what the client says.

You have to work with these people because they came to you. And yet as a business owner, you get to kind of pick and choose, is this who you want to work for? Is this who you want to represent? This, the service offering that you want to, you don't have to do that. If a client takes advantage of, he doesn't understand the boundaries of, no, we're not communicating at 10 PM on a Saturday night because you're not recording a podcast.

You're not saving a life now at 10 o'clock on a Saturday. Yeah. You need to realize that and set those boundaries for yourself. It is absolutely okay because you're in charge. And for me, coming from the corporate world where you always had a manager and a director and a VP, and there were so many layers of, no, you work for us.

This is what you do to become the person who is, no, I work for myself. Like, yeah. That was an adjustment. That was an adjustment. 

Yeah. And it's taken years and there's still bad habits of like, I check the email at 10 o'clock at night. It doesn't mean I'll respond. And I've learned that, you can also schedule your emails to go out the next day.

So even if I want to write one reply on a Sunday afternoon, it doesn't mean it has to go out Sunday afternoon. It can be scheduled for Monday morning and making sure that, ,  you're there for yourself, that the whole self care thing. But. Respecting yourself and knowing what you like, what you want, and making sure that that comes through in your business.

And this is, your values, whatever it is that you stand for. Allow them, allow them to come to life because you are in charge, this is your business. And if you don't like doing a task, whether it's something that you can then hand off to someone else, that's fine. But if you don't even want it to be a part of your business, then don't have it be a part of your business.

It's truly that simple. And I think for me, a big mindset change that I needed to make was that when a client either leaves or you decide that you don't really want to work with this client, it's just not working out. It's just like a relationship. , if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be, but to then say,  what, it's okay, because something better and bigger is going to come next.

And the moment I realized that.  It always became true. I'd say, okay, that client. Oh, they want to break their contract. Okay, go ahead, leave them. And my husband will be the first one to say, why, why would you do that? It's a contract. And I go, because, , if they don't want to work together or they can't afford to pay me all of a sudden, because they spent money on something else.

That's not my problem. So I'm going to release them. Something better is on the way.  

I always like to say too, like I do love talking about women entrepreneurs talking to you and you have just shared so many great empowering points of entrepreneurship as a woman.

But I always like to also put in there, even if you don't have your own business, apply these principles to your whole life. Like what people do I want to spend time with or what do I have time with? Like I have to say when I found out that whole scrolling on my phone thing, um, I was like, what changes can I make to spending less time on iPhone?

And one of them was, I realized that I was a part of tons of group chats and most of them weren't serving me. So like I would keep getting these pop up notifications, like just a group chat? And I decided to spend some time. Just sending a message to the group and saying I've got this and this and this onto my life.

I love you guys but I'm not going to be part of the chat. You're always welcome to connect with me individually because there can be a lot of time wasted. And just mindless group chat, right? Like, know, whether it be a friend group or podcasting, there's group chats on anything and everything.

So, that's just like one example, but it's the same concept, whether or not you are an entrepreneur. It's like, let's figure out there might be some things that I need to let go. And I love that empowering statement where you said, if a client wants to leave, I'm going to let them go.

I could. Yeah. It's just like a relationship. If you don't want to be with me, then don't be with me. Cause why would I want to be with you if you don't want to be with me? 

I actually did a whole solo episode, my very first solo episode. Cause I just didn't feel the calling, but suddenly one day I woke up and I had a lot to say about relationships and the people who do belong in your life and the people who maybe don't belong in your life, and setting some of those boundaries and noticing what works and what doesn't work and, as far as relationships go. 

You mentioned something that I want to point out to you when you talked about the scrolling in the group chats, turn your notifications off.

That was something that I did because I had emails. All the alerts would come up for all of the different accounts because I have a business account. I have a personal account. Yeah. I had the PTA account. Yeah. I had all of these different email notifications coming up for Instagram. Every time there was a, like there would be a notification.
 
I had my phone connected to my Fitbit, so every time a text message would come in, my Fitbit would buzz, whether it's five in the morning because FedEx has a delivery. It would buzz. And so I turned all of those things off and advice. It's fantastic. Yes. So you have to purposely go into your phone, go into, , your e inbox to find these things versus it's just calling you and blinking at you and alerting you.

I think that's a really big one that I honestly didn't even remember that I. Had taken care of because it's been so long. 

Yeah. I have done something similar to like different notifications. I've been doing it gradually, but then somehow a couple of days ago, I suddenly realized that, why am I getting notifications on, like probably 10 different group chats.

And most of these are not actually serving me. So, take care of it. Yeah.  I like that. Wow. Wow. Michelle,  this has been so enlightening today and so pertinent to everything that's going on in today's world. Is there any last thoughts, any advice that you would like to leave with my listeners? 

If there is something that you want to share, whether it is your story, your journey, if there is a business that you're considering launching, a book you want to write, you just start. Take a step towards that and just start. And I know that it's scary, coming from a job where you get a paycheck every two weeks to, I'm kind of in charge of making sure I get paid. That's scary. And at the same time, it also can be so rewarding. So, simply start and take that step and be kind to yourself because you won't fail. As long as you put your best foot forward and you try your hardest, you're just going to figure out what you like to do.  

Wow, great advice. I absolutely loved today's conversation, Michelle. I feel like I have learned so much. I think my listeners are going to be feeling the same way.

There's so much great information.  How can we find you?  

You can find me at the agency website is the MLG collective. com. And my personal website's michelleglogovac.com. My podcast is my simplified life. I'm over on the gram, Michelle Glogovac, and basically anywhere there is social media, I am there and I will check in.

Hopefully not mindlessly scrolling and you can get my book, how to get on podcasts, anywhere you buy books. There's also an audio book. So if you like listening to me, I'll read you the book. 

Oh my gosh. Thank you so much, Michelle. Thanks so much for your time today. I know it's valuable. You are such a gem. Thank you for your generosity and your wisdom. 

Oh, thank you so much, Kristina. I appreciate you.