Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
Music: Marcus Williams
Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #82 The Inconsistencies of What We Can Support, Ayo Edebiri's SNL Debut, Dave Chappelle's Response to Katt Williams, Ariana Grande and the Ethics of Homewrecking, and Doc Rivers Replacing Adrian Griffin
On this episode, Chad reveals his struggle with staying up to date about what we are allowed to support and who we are allowed to criticize. Then he discusses the ethics of Homewrecking, the recent firing of Adrian Griffin by the Milwaukee Bucks, and encourages people to chase their creative dreams.
Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET to watch the show live on Youtube. Follow @chadsand on Instagram and subscribe to the Nothing But Anarchy Youtube channel for full interviews and more anarchy!
Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
Okay, welcome to nothing by anarchy. This is the show that explores and subverts all the things, particularly entertainment, music, sports media. There's so much on this thing today, so we're just going to get right to it. I actually, in the podcast that I listened to now there's a couple Dan Levitar shows one of them that like spends the first 12 minutes trying to be funny and not like talking about the interesting stuff, and I'm just like I mean, they're just not. They're just not funny, like I know.
Speaker 1:Dan Levitar kind of wants to think of himself as in the room with comedians now because he really admires them and he like brings in Hollywood writers who write comedy and he brings on like Neil Brennan and shit like that, and it just doesn't. It's just, it's just not working for me, bro. Just I hate to be one of those fans. But, like, just talk about sports, dog, but I'm definitely not going to do that. So we got a few things to talk about.
Speaker 1:There's a lot on the docket here. I have been walking around feeling quite unhinged because I, in a good way, I feel alive, because I got good sleep last night, because I didn't eat anything that gave me heartburn in the middle of the night, last night, which this is a turning point for me like this is like I've been eating the same basically for 15 years and I just reached an age where my body is telling me there are certain things I'm not allowed to eat, especially after like eight o'clock at night. So I slept, I slept through the night. Crazy, crazy what sleep can do. Okay, um, here's here's here the things at the top of this docket, morgan, we have Dave Chappelle speaks on. He was live at. Do we know where he was at? He was speaking on cat Williams and he says, quote unquote why are you drawing ugly pictures of us? He says cat Williams is one of the best painters in the world. Why are you drawing ugly pictures of us? Um, he didn't say anything about any of these white boys. What was the venue, morgan?
Speaker 2:Durey's at the Hollywood improv okay, a Hollywood place.
Speaker 1:We have a Gen Z segment. I know I'm calling this a Gen Z segment. Even though Ariana Grande is not Gen Z, I feel like she belongs to Gen Z more than she belongs to Millennials, like I actually bet Gen Z people see her as like, almost like the way we see Christina Aguilera, which is crazy like they see her as like a staple of music. And I still see her as like, oh, like, the Ariana Grande thing is happening. That's so cool, that's so good. Good for her. Um, she's in, she's in the internet because of home wrecking. I guess is the reason why she's in the internet right now. Yeah, ready to say, okay, alleged home wrecking, alleged home wrecking, that's okay. We're not. You know, I don't need to say alleged here. Um, unless, whatever, we'll come back. And then the third thing here is Morgan. Can you say this person's name so I don't say it wrong?
Speaker 2:IO Ed Deb RA okay. I don't think that's right that's based off of the link of pedia she said that with maximum confidence and a bar.
Speaker 1:There's a B in it yeah, ed Deb Burr. Okay, I'm gonna look at all right, thank you, morgan, that's okay.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I love you, I oh yes, she loves you great, and we're gonna get right to that I. She loves you, even though she doesn't know how to say your name. Um, so, which one of those three things? Because the first, the first bullet, has Charlemagne also involved in it. Which one of those three things do you guys want me to start with? On the count of three, can you guys both say which is most interesting to you? Either say Dave Ariana or IO 123.
Speaker 2:IO.
Speaker 1:Dave for me, sorry. Okay, the black guy says Dave. The black woman says IO, all right, I'll do IO, just you know to be the guy, all right. So I was at the gym yesterday. Was that yesterday, morgan? Are you still looking for her pronunciation? Yes, I think it's okay, morgan. We've moved, we've moved on. It's okay, because this is actually like what Morgan's doing right now is like what I want to speak to, which is my sister and I.
Speaker 1:We talked last night. I interviewed her for my new love project and she we were talking about you know, um, where I am in life and how I am, and one thing that came up is I'm a, I'm a, I'm a resistant person. I have, I have like a subversive gene, I have like a rebellion to me and, um, man, this show is going to have, the pieces are all going to like touch each other, because here's one way that it's really hard to be black you get conflicting information on exactly what your directions are as a black person and then, inside of all of that, you are just a person who has your own actual purpose and your own actual point of view and you just got to do what you got like. You just got to do what you're literally born to do, and I think specifically that I am born with um vision to see. Sometimes I have giant blind spots. My therapist tells me, um, she doesn't say giant, I'm putting that on myself, but I have blind spots, like everybody. But I can see what I can see, as many people can, in different ways.
Speaker 1:I think my particular vision is to see. Um, hypocrisy is to see, uh, when we are all pretending like we agreed on something but we didn't talk about it. Um, when, when there is a force that is pushing us in some direction and the source is unknown and unnamed and we need to examine it. That's something that I can often feel I guess is a better way to say I can feel, I'm sensitive, I'm like, oh, I feel something coming and I kind of like sometimes I dig my heels in and I'm like wait, what's happening? What's happening, what's happening all right, here comes.
Speaker 2:Can I call myself out? Yes okay, so I'm a. Since this is on the record, I'm going to call myself out for the problematic thing that I just did what did you do? Which is when you see someone's name and you assume that it's harder than it actually is because it's literally how it's spelled, which is at a very okay, so I forgive you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I think you did your best, morgan, that's not where I was going. Here's the thing that I feel coming. Okay, you know before, I'm just going to package this in a little more bubble wrap because because y'all are going to hate this and I and so now I feel excited because I'm realizing I didn't know, this is what I came to say, but I know that y'all are going to hate this. Charlemagne is just a dude, like he's just a person. Okay, we know about Charlemagne. Literally, you guys know why we know about Charlemagne. Do you know why we know about Charlemagne? Do you know why we know about Charlemagne?
Speaker 1:I think you, probably you'll remember as soon as I say it is no, I don't know we know about Charlemagne because Ray J came on the breakfast club 10 years ago, 10 plus years ago, 12 years ago. I was sitting at my desk at Google when I first got this clip. He comes on the breakfast club, coked up allegedly to talk about an interaction that he had with rate, with fabulous, where he said a bunch of just look, you can look it up more.
Speaker 3:You should definitely look it up this is history you need to know this it is one of the most iconic guest appearances on a radio show, I think.
Speaker 1:I think period in culture, definitely in black culture, and like it's, charlemagne specifically was able to exercise out of Ray J a performance of ridiculousness that made that show blow up and it's stay. And then and then Charlemagne and Envy and Angel E did the hard work of remaining relevant over a decade, like doing what you got to do to stay relevant over a decade. Now, whether those are likable people, whether you agree with their politics or how they are, who they are, whatever, like that's individual, I don't know them. I've only met Charlemagne one time. I've sat in their studio when they weren't there, one time when I went to go visit Angie Martínez and I sat there, excuse me, and I thought to myself. I'll tell you guys, something from the beginning of this journey.
Speaker 1:For me, when I have dreamt of what will it look like when my voice is really reaching a place that it can be heard, that dream has always been me sitting in the breakfast club. That's it. Now it has evolved into something different, which is like me doing this thing in a giant venue, like an arena or something like that, but like for the first 10 years, let's call it of like. From the moment I was sitting in that desk at Google until maybe two years ago, that and still that dream has always been I'll go on the breakfast club. I have gone on platforms bigger than the breakfast club and I have gone on platforms that most people who are black in entertainment would value much greater than the breakfast club, aka white people's places. But I know that if I ever go on the breakfast club, I will have something to say to the people who are a part of my culture that I think will connect and will land in a way that is unusual anyway. Here's why it's complicated to be a black person, because everyone not everyone, but so many people have a point of view on what you are allowed to have as your point of view as a black person. For example, dave Chappelle is saying cat Williams, why are you calling out our people in public?
Speaker 1:Chris Rock goes on his own stand up. He does his own stand up special on Netflix after getting slapped up by Will Smith and says, as his landing line in the stand up, he says, after calling will Smith bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. So many times bitch. He then says you were raised poorly because you got to know not to fight in front of white people. Okay, that's a point of view on how black people should behave, but, but again, under the gaze of quote, unquote, the public, white people. Now Charlemagne, and boy would I have to do a lot of homework to actually understand what Charlemagne's real point of view on this is. But Morgan sent me a clip of Charlemagne on Fox News. Do you want to just play the? Would you mind just playing the clip?
Speaker 3:I've never spoken to as many people who are concerned about the migrant issue as I have. You know, over the past year they took 2000 migrants and put them in the school and made the school stay home, made the students stay home and, and, and you know, do school via, via, via zoom, and that was a big issue, like I mean, people were calling okay, you stop it just just okay now.
Speaker 1:First of all, this is a professional orator, guys. This person talks for a living. He's nervous you can hear that he's nervous and he's stumbling. And he's on Fox News. Like he already knows, he has sort of broken a rule of culture even by being appearing on this news channel. But he's nervous like he shook. He's like I'm here to say this thing but I I don't know how it's going to be construed and I don't know. Like I don't know how they're going to edit this. And he's a media expert. Like he knows his words can be taken and manipulated and also like he might actually stand 10 toes down on whatever is the current, like you know, republican conservative stance on immigration. But he's he's scared, like you can hear it.
Speaker 1:That's not how Charlemagne talks. Y'all. Charlemagne talks like he. He is a professional and talented orator. He's a speaker. He doesn't stumble over himself like that. But he shook because he knows, just for being on Fox News and then on top of that what he's saying today, black people, many are going to say I'm gonna call that guy a sellout, right? That's what our conversation, that's what the conversation Morgan and I had about the story around this was this morning. Was he saw. The first link you sent me was Monique at the Breakfast Club Studio.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, calling that was like front years ago.
Speaker 1:Yes, calling Charlemagne in so many words like a slave trader, like someone who hands his wife over to the white slave trader. So here's what I feel in all of this, and this is all coming back to IO Etabiri. Last night I posted a reel. It was me talking about Jerry Krause and Michael Jordan and what I was saying was the beef between Michael Jordan and Jerry Krause is as old as slavery. You know how much I told myself we were not gonna do a race show today. Literally yesterday I was like we're not doing a race show tomorrow, like we're gonna talk about other shit tomorrow, but fuck it. So Michael Jordan has a lifelong beef with a deceased person, jerry Krause, because Jerry Krause talked about, talked to and treated him as property Property In Jerry Krause's own words, property guys and we post a reel of me talking about that beef between them and I stuck.
Speaker 1:You know I have to choose like a cover image for the thing. Right, I have to choose a cover for the reel and the image that I chose was a split screen of me talking about it and Michael Jordan with a look on his like a very searing, aggressive, michael Jordan-esque. You know, look on his face and the word bully for SEO purposes, like I just thought oh, cool, great image of Michael Jordan. The word bully like this will catch people's eye. This will stop people and my spectacular producer, morgan, and I mean that.
Speaker 1:She stopped me and she reviewed the reel and she texted me and she says I don't even think she said you might want to. She said you should change the word from bully to something else because she and I had talked about this. You got too many reels where the cover is a black man and in the reel you are critiquing or criticizing that person's actions. And we don't want to give the implication to someone who just comes and skims through my grid that that's who you are, that you are just the guy who goes in front of a mic and critiques black people. And I always say you know, in response to that, like if anybody familiarizes themselves with my canon, they will.
Speaker 2:I hate that. I hate that oh.
Speaker 1:You hate that I had to think about whether I was gonna do it, but if anybody familiarizes themselves with the books of Chad, they will know I have so much to say, guys, literally about every fucking thing, like everything everybody, myself I have so much to say about. But the rules are you don't critique black people in public. That's the rule, right? You don't even. You don't unless unless we have all decided get that one right, unless we've all decided Charlamagne get him, jason Whitlock get him. Who else who's on the sellout list?
Speaker 4:Ron, no, whitlock was my Whitlock is there. That's who I was thinking of Candace Owens.
Speaker 1:Ah, and I'm not mad, okay, I like. In fact, what I actually feel is man, wouldn't it be a place? And I and here's the thing I think we are actually stepping into this place and these are the growing pains of it as a culture. Black folks, I think we are stepping into a place where we have such a prominence in media and entertainment culture that it's like do y'all think I'm gonna come in here and talk about Sydney Sweeney, Like over Dave Chappelle, over Kat Williams, over IO Adebiri, like that's not interesting, like I'm trying to talk about what's interesting? I'm talking, I'm trying to talk about what matters right now. I'm talking about I'm trying to come in here and talk about culture. We lead culture, like we are the talking points, we are the avatars. Michael Jordan is the avatar of man for society, like Beyonce is the avatar of woman for society, like that's. And so if I'm gonna do my job, I gotta be able to talk with a. I can't just come in here and do Ra Ra Shish Mumbak, because I don't feel that way. And if you don't do Ra Ra Shish Mumbak, the backlash in this part is fucking crazy, comes from black people who are telling you don't criticize black people. That is a mind fuck. Why can't we also have the full dimension of humanity for me to point out that, yes, lebron is all these things. He is also a capitalist. He is also a cheese ball. He is also selling you something Like. I respect LeBron enough, I see him as human enough for me to be honest about who he is and not treat him like a thing that only has to be polished and sparkled.
Speaker 1:Okay, with that said, now here's where I'm actually going with this. You guys, this is what I hate, right? Okay, this is what my sister calls me resistant. I am someone who has felt bullied in life. Okay, I think most people are bullied in many ways. I think we're all being bullied by Amazon. We have no choice but to give in. We have so few choices but to give. We are bullied by Amazon. We're bullied by McDonald's. We're bullied by Starbucks. It's like it's extortion, like nigga.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, that's bullying. A lot of people can feel it, but don't know where it's coming from. Okay, I happen to know where it's coming from because my dad made me know it when I was a kid. Literally, that's the only reason, probably he made me know it. I felt bullied in high school and college as one of the kids at the cool table who was one of the culture bearers of what was probably making other people also feel bullied, I felt it as well. It's hard to bully someone else without feeling bullied by someone else. Let's take talent out of this for a second. Okay, I just watched Bottoms a couple nights ago.
Speaker 1:Ayo Talented, love the bear, love it. Okay. So I don't want this to be about Ayo. She is talented, charming, smart, but as far as I can tell from her performances, like I enjoy her work. But this train is coming, no matter what, y'all are gonna make this Ayo thing happen, no matter what, and there are no dissenting opinions allowed about this.
Speaker 1:When Morgan sent me that she was going to host SNL and I think and I will be sent that link by many other people and I will see it on and I know the only reaction I'm allowed to have to. That is celebratory, right? The only I just got done saying fuck SNL in every possible way that I could think of, and two seconds later, ayo's hosting, and now I'm supposed to be like that's so fire. I'm supposed to be like, oh my God, so good for her, yo. That is why this shit is. That is the fake shit that niggas are on in this whole. It's like, and that's why I could never stay on pulse with the cool kids. I just can't stay on. It moves too fast. I'm like, wait a second. We just got done saying Oscar's so white. Now we're so excited that she won an Oscar.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. I'm like I'm not even. I'm not mad, I'm not mad. You guys confuse me. You guys confuse me. I can't follow, like I'll get lost. I'm like I thought it was fuck SNL. I thought it was fuck. I thought it was, I thought it was, but it's not. It's just not man, you guys don't stand on anything, man, like you guys don't stand on business. So now it's oh my God, ayo, oh my God. And I just Morgan helped me understand. I don't like. I, I agree with you.
Speaker 2:Do you? I do, but I'm also a part of the problem.
Speaker 1:I was like are you gonna watch that? And you were, like you said, the most Gen Z thing, which is I'm gonna catch the replay on Pika.
Speaker 2:Pika, what am I doing? Waiting till midnight to watch a show on a Saturday?
Speaker 1:You'll be out. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what am I doing? Staying up till midnight to watch a show, morgan's like I will have just left the house at midnight. Um, well, okay, and you guys know I'm not you know I'm not being obtuse Like I really can't follow. I'm like, and it reminds me of a DM I got a few DMs from. I actually wanna read them and I'm gonna apologize to this person in advance if this is a Well, you're not gonna say the name.
Speaker 1:No, I won't, but even still, it's just like it was a private conversation. Okay, so high school is the metaphor for everything for me High school, high school. I just did that whole year high school show. It was high school, high school, high school, high school is so formative and high school, I think, is where we, we establish our social decorum and we evolve as people. But I don't think we evolve as a herd, much beyond that. I don't think we evolve much as a herd.
Speaker 1:Much Does that make sense? Like the herd dynamics kind of stay the same. It's like we still got jocks, nerds, bullies, sga presidents, art kids, hookups, cheaters, you know, closeted people. Like it all starts right there Once, I think, after puberty happens or as it's happening. Like as a herd, we lock in those dynamics and they stay that way. And so this is I'll make the connection here so got a text from somebody who I loved in high school and who I still think is lovely today. She is a black woman. She was a black girl in high school, obviously, or maybe not obviously, yeah, whatever, what, morgan, morgan, what Did I say? What I think? No, it's just funny.
Speaker 1:You know what, before I get to that, I smelled BO Today. I was walking behind someone. I was like oh, it's motherfucking stinks. And then I was like our smelly people. Have we established them as a group of people who I cannot say are smelly?
Speaker 2:Well, it depends on if it's like a medical issue.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, thank you.
Speaker 1:Morgan, I'm so glad you're here. Okay, black woman. She was a black girl in high school. We are. This was right after the fourth episode of Yearbook came out, where I start talking about how, when the basketball team came together and we were good, the black boys on that team, myself included, started to be invited to the white parties. Okay, in the cafeteria, you got the black tables, you got the white tables. There's like the one super popular kid table for the white kids, and the black kids on the basketball team started to be invited to that table once we showed value to the high school right. It's like you blacks are now allowed here, blacks A few, just these ones that we, like you guys, come over here.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't, of course, like it's never racist or powerful, it doesn't need to be stated, it was signaled. You know what I mean. Like it's more powerful than had someone said the words. It would have been weird and we would have felt weird about it, maybe even though a couple guys still would have gone. Y'all niggas know who you are, but they didn't say it, they just made us know it. You're now. It's like you know you walk and pass the table and someone kind of like kind of like scooches their ass over. So you have a little you know what I mean A little scooch. So, all right, a scooch Morgan.
Speaker 1:But this was one of the black girls who we had been super clicked up with and who actually used to drive some of my boys to school every day. But when we got to school it would be like, okay, we're allowed over there, but she and her friends knew we can't cross the line with them. Okay, it was just clear. Like I talked on yearbook about a time when we brought one of our black girlfriends to the white kids party and a purse goes missing or a bag goes missing and or allegedly a bag goes missing and now there's this search for it and our friend has to leave and blah, blah, blah and then like eventually, oh, the bag's back. It just turned up out of nowhere. So that was the vibe.
Speaker 1:All right, this is what she said. I gotta read it. This is what she said. This is her commenting on noticing how the dynamics changed with us and the white kids. She says well, we deaf, noticed that you all were increasingly spending more time with the quote unquote white crowd. There were comments made. She means among her and the girlfriends.
Speaker 1:Not that I can remember exactly what was said, but I think we tried to find our moments to set, to stay connected with y'all, at the lunch tables, birthdays, et cetera. Thinking about it now, I think because y'all started connecting with them junior year, by senior year we were also connecting and spending more time with that crowd at parties, bonfires, et cetera. So who knows, in a way maybe y'all helped bridge a gap, a gap dot dot dot for some of us. And I read that and I thought first paragraph it's a little heartbreaking, to be honest. It's like watching your friends drift over there to another place where you can't drift with them. And then second paragraph honestly, this is I actually can read now and what I think of this second paragraph is I see someone being graceful, I see someone being like I know that first paragraph was a little, it's like a little, but don't worry like maybe you guys opened the door for us and I think that's sort of like that's a talking point when we see a black person quote unquote, like break the glass, like Kenya Barris has broken the glass, for it's like really has have any of the statistics around black projects getting green lighted changed since Kenya Barris shattered the glass ceiling. No, I followed by saying hmm, this resonates so much.
Speaker 1:Curious about what was said, question mark, as I reflected on it with the guys, I wish we were more aware of what we were doing or giving way to in the moment. And yet I still think we were well aware. Dot, dot, dot, that's gracious to say. Maybe we bridge the gap, idk. And then I did like the sideways smiley face which is like a semi colon with three slashes. That's my thing, trademark. And then she replies so I think the way we saw it was that y'all were hanging with the white girls a lot more. So I feel like we would make comments about that, because we assumed it was because y'all and not necessarily all of y'all were hooking up with them and therefore they got y'all's time. As far as bridging the gap, I don't think it was intentional, but inevitably our circles started merging a little bit. Now I don't think we were widely accepted in those spaces, but we were able to build relationships with some of the white kids, which gave us some access. Okay, how does this relate to it in a period when people say in a high pitched voice oh my God, so exciting for IO. This is so great.
Speaker 1:Look at a young black woman being honored and seen and celebrated on this big platform which, by the way, I have the ratings guys. It's not that big of a fucking platform. It's prestigious like a Condé Nast property, but Condé Nast is shrinking. It's not big, it's prestigious. Don't get those things twisted. The Super Bowl is big. Snl is medium sized but it is prestigious.
Speaker 1:When people say that they're saying good for her, they're also saying she's opening a door for other people like her and, first of all, that's not her burden, that is not her axe to bear and I hope she doesn't feel the pressure of needing to do that. I hope she just goes up there and bodies it and has a great time and it's funny. But it's not opening a door. Just like us going to party with the white kids to serve their purposes, to capitalize on our coolness, our sexuality, our blackness, whatever, like that's serving them. That does not open a fucking thing for anybody else who looks like us. That is us being capitalized on. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like her going and bodying SNL is gonna be hopefully great for her star. But like, this is media and I know how it works now. Okay. When I have a guest come in here, that's good for me. When I have a guest come and be on my. When Keenan Thompson comes on Quidders with me and Julie Bowen, that's good for me and Julie, a small media property. Keenan doesn't need that look. Io doesn't need this look. Maybe she thinks she does. A publicist no doubt told her that she needs this look, but this is something that SNL will profit from and that doesn't do shit for the rest of us. Going and sitting at the white kid table in the cafeteria does not create new seats for other black kids at the white kid cafeteria table. That's it. Okay, I've said enough. Morgatron is allowing us a three minute backtrack into that segment because both she and Josh had something, had a rebut of sorts. So, morgatron, you go ahead first. What's your point? What do you have to say?
Speaker 2:My point was I feel like as much as SNL might not be as big anymore like the live at least I feel like four comedians still, especially younger comedians it is still a thing that is an honor to host because so many amazing people have done it before. So I feel like if she got the opportunity, it wasn't her publicity saying she needed it, I'm sure, like I mean she was on Comedy Central at first, Like I'm sure it was something she was looking forward to and that would be cool for her to do, especially because there haven't been that many black women. Hosts of SNL.
Speaker 1:I agree. I think the natural current of a comedian's journey, a comics journey and a writer's journey and a New York journey like they, would lead one to feel honored and valued and chosen, to have that platform, it has this historical relevance, et cetera, et cetera. I'm only trying to be and this is what is strictly unallowed is any form of nuance. I am only trying to be precise and nuanced about like where the value is and who reaps that value. I think she reaps the value in prestige, honor If she does a good job and just by being there. Also, I think SNL reaps the value of her likeness in the fact that I even know who's hosting SNL is because she's on it. I think that there will be some black people who reap the value of I say this about Barack Obama sometimes which is like as a politician, as all politicians his actions are. Some of them are assailable. Obviously they're not unassailable, but the figurehead of seeing a black person have a big job. Sometimes you, just as a human being, you just need hope, you just need a dream, and so for black people who see her take that stage, that's gonna be fuel for them to go wherever they're trying to go. Sometimes you just need energy. I just wanna be.
Speaker 1:This part is the part that matters to me, which is we do a lot of. The thing of this is a pioneer. This person is opening a door. This person is and I don't wanna name names because I always name the same names but those doors be closed. Wait a second, why is she having to open a door? She's like how old is she? 28, 30? What happened to the door that was opened from the person before that? And before that, and before that, the doors closed behind people because what's on the other side of that door is a bunch of white folks who wanna have their meal in private and only want one person in a time eating in there with them. So I agree with you mostly, josh. What was your rebut?
Speaker 4:Well, it's not even so much a rebut, because I pretty much I agree with you wholeheartedly, like 100%. I only think I was sort of thinking about was for these institutions, whether it's SNL, whether it's the Oscars or any other sort of what we'll call it white institution, what do you think? What do you think if they actually, in the event that they are actually trying to quote, unquote, be better? What are your feelings about that? And whatever you're about to say, I'm probably going to agree with that too.
Speaker 1:I mean, if there was some way that I could know that to actually be so, maybe I could get behind that like if the intentions were pure, I mean. By the way, I don't know that anybody has made a signal or communicated that this is a part of some sort of larger effort. It really may just be a it's never that simple but like there may be something simple in it which is just like SNL is a platform that needs growth, right now and it needs to have its succession plan set in for the departure of Lauren Michaels.
Speaker 1:It needs to appeal itself to younger people. Right now, the only way it reaches younger people is on social media. Here is a young black star, a woman who just won an Emmy at least one one, right? I don't know how many. Whatever they're doing, it's funny because they're a legacy media company, they're a legacy platform. So they're doing some very basic math which is like Emmy winner, come over here and get on our stage with JLo, yeah, and that math can work to an extent.
Speaker 1:Quite honestly, like that math is not gonna work forever for IO. Okay, taraji could tell her that that math is not gonna work. Like, oh, I'll do the rounds and I'll show up on this red carpet and I'll do this thing and this thing. Like that's talent, like that's talent. That is the job that people break their next four to get in Hollywood and then end up 50 and broke.
Speaker 1:So it's like I'm trying to pull apart. Like what is this tangled web that makes us just that? Just makes us be like, oh, my God, io on SNL? Ah, like, okay, I feel you, but I don't feel you because you guys just told me two seconds ago. It was Oscar, so white. So what? So which one really is it? And on top of that, the super black platforms. You guys criticize those two, you know. You say they're ignorant, you say they're unsophisticated, you say they don't look well produced. You say you want the host to have the exact same politics as yours. You want the host to like so okay. So then what you're telling me and you're saying it to me clearly, and then I move on more gonna promise is it's actually not Oscar, so white. It's actually not fuck SNL, it's man. We want to sit at the white table so bad. So suck off, okay.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about a white person now?
Speaker 1:Yes, good morning. Yes, ariana Grande, she's in the tweets for home, wrecking allegedly. And Morgan, can you give me the high level beats of what's happened here?
Speaker 2:So basically, her and her Wicked co-star, ethan Slater, became public that they were dating and received backlash because he like just got divorced and people believe that they both had affairs on their spouses at the time and that she broke up his marriage with his high school sweetheart Ooh, they also just had a baby, like a year ago, I think. So, yeah, people were dragging her and then she released her new song, yes, and that people then like felt like was a middle finger to the haters, because a line on it says, quote why do you care who's dick I ride? And people thought that was her responding to the public.
Speaker 2:I missed that line honestly, it's during like the quieter part where she's like that hushed voice. Yeah, oh, okay. I didn't mean to hear that. So yeah, but then her fans responded saying not true, ethan has been estranged from his wife, or like they weren't together before. Him and Ariana got together and yeah.
Speaker 1:So Morgan sent me the song. I listened to it. I replied okay, that was fine, you thought that was funny.
Speaker 2:I didn't know what I expected you to say. I didn't expect you to love it, but it was just.
Speaker 1:It's definitely as Ariana Grande's music is like. It ranges, I think, from like distinctly listenable to quite good in a moment it spikes into quite good she's got bangers. Good, ariana Grande. So all right, you start here. Josh, have you ever dated someone who was in a relationship?
Speaker 4:No, actually scratch that. Yes, I forgot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you actually told us the whole story, yeah.
Speaker 4:I forgot. I actually forgot about that.
Speaker 1:You told us the whole story on the record.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Um.
Speaker 2:Morgan, I actually could like cut back to video footage with a date about somebody.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you told us the whole story. I didn't. I actually wasn't thinking of that when I asked the question, but then yeah, it's because in my head I didn't believe they were together.
Speaker 4:That's why Okay.
Speaker 1:Morgan, have you ever dated someone in a relationship?
Speaker 2:No, not. Okay, wait, one person they were in like a situation ship, I guess and the other person I was unaware until later on.
Speaker 1:So then that's, a yes right?
Speaker 2:Yes, but like not knowingly Okay.
Speaker 1:I love how you both modified the question for a denied building.
Speaker 2:Oh, because I feel like that's important.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay it is. So I had a years ago this was probably like eight or nine years ago I used to be quite cavalier, not eight or nine years ago, for most of my life my first girlfriend had a boyfriend. When I met her and when we started talking and that was, you know, a formative experience and I was like, oh, this is something Like you can, you can, you can what's the word? Enchant someone who is in a relationship and in some ways I think people in relationships can be uniquely enchantable, because or not uniquely, but like distinctly enchantable because oftentimes relationships form a pattern, like they can form into something that like just doesn't have the same spark or danger of a new person. Like you can't recreate the.
Speaker 1:You can have magic with your partner for as long as you guys can create that magic, but you can't create, you cannot recreate the magic of a new something, a new person in your life, a new whoa, like that first spark of whatever that you have with a new person. That's its own thing, it's a different drug, you know what I mean. Like you can get drunk on whiskey, but like tequila is something entirely different. They're different. I used to think it was really interesting and almost like an added level of excitement, to see what was up with the girls who were in relationships, like to really see what was what with them, to kind of like to test it, like to see, like to see if, like all that bullshit people be talking about when they're in relationships and you know they'd be lying. To see, like, if all that stuff about like how I mean, y'all know what people in relationships would be saying they'd be lying, to just see if it was real. I used to think it was interesting to test it. Homewrecking is all around us.
Speaker 4:What a phrase.
Speaker 1:You can't Morgan, you literally have that power.
Speaker 1:You can do that. Homewrecking is all the fuck around us. Maybe we should try that shirt out. Like oftentimes, I'm now in an exploration of love and romance for this new project, and so I am learning about couples, a lot about them, and one thing I have seen as pattern not among all of them, but among many of them is like most people are either in or just coming out of a relationship all the time, like whether it's they're dating someone, whether they are in a serious relationship, like people are in and out of these little you know these things all the time, and so and people who are used to being in relationships and want to be in relationships do not stay single for very long, and so when they're encountered by somebody else who also wants to be in a relationship, like they seem available to that and then like we're simple, we're so simple.
Speaker 1:Um, I talked to my sister about this yesterday. I see the reaction to Ariana Grande home record. I felt this also about Gabriela Union. I felt this about Alicia Keys. I just saw that Jeff Bezos is married to someone who he cheated on his wife with, who also cheated on her husband with Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 1:Like home wrecking is all around us. It's like water and it looks like a lot of the couples that exist are a result of if we really went back and looked with a magnifying glass, the way that we can look at Ariana Grande's life the result of some form. Somebody feels home, wrecked in all of it. Somebody does. If you got a partner, they pop up in a new relationship shortly after you guys split up. You're gonna have, you're gonna be curious, you're gonna have thoughts about it, you're gonna wonder, oh, was there already something going on there before this was over? And of course you can never really know, but, like, maybe you can if they tell you. But that's what that is.
Speaker 1:What seems to be here is that Ariana Grande saw a guy she liked, he saw her and they home wrecked each other's homes together, basically, and now they have their own thing or whatever. I used to have this argument with a friend eight or nine years ago. That's where I started. He was in a relationship, I was single and he was in a very serious relationship with someone he did not end up with. They lived together all that, and I was trying to get him to explain to me what is the like, what is the immorality of the third party in pursuing someone who's in a relationship. Can someone explain it to me if you believe that that exists?
Speaker 2:I mean, I feel like it feels a little I don't wanna say like malicious, but that's not the right word but I feel like I don't know. I feel like as a society there are like societal rules that people abide by, and one of which is if, like two people are exclusive and dating and you actively try, it's like poaching, like job poaching. That's not really a thing people like. So I guess the same goes for relationships.
Speaker 1:That sounds right. Well, I hear. Let's just. Let's take a look at it. So, okay, when I worked at Google, there used to be these big power struggles between Google, apple and I forgot who Microsoft, one of them, and it was about poaching, and there were lawsuits filed against all three of those companies for having a cartel that suppressed our wages by having these little under the table, agreements that we will not poach from each other, that, like, the labor pays when the management won't poach from each other. Like, if let this be a message to you If I work with your production company, if I work with your publication, if I work with your studio, if I work with another creator and you have someone fire that works for you and they wanna fuck with me, I will poach them Every 100 times out of 100, I will do my best Because, like, the person who should be choosing what's the best circumstance for themselves is the person, not the employer, not management. So, like, what's wrong with poaching?
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess the job example isn't good.
Speaker 1:Well, now let's apply it to relationship. If I meet Ariana Grande, try to think of the right example. If I meet Ariana Grande out, I told my sisters yesterday if I meet, and my sister was like my sister had so much side-eye for this point of view. I was like you know what happened when I looked at Ariana and I thought like, oh, that's like somebody I would probably date. She was like, do you mean someone like Ariana Grande, like a? Like a Latino performing white girl from Florida? And I was like, well, when you fucking break it down with that like that's not fun.
Speaker 2:I was like, but like.
Speaker 1:I don't know, just like someone like this and she was like she's infantile or some shit like that. But let me make the point. The point is, if I met Ariana Grande, if she came in this studio and did an interview, or if I saw her at, where the fuck would I see Ariana Grande? Dumbbell House, probably not there. I feel so weird there At a party, at someone's house. You know what I mean Hanging out, whatever. I don't know. These things are weird. I don't know the people that I end up meeting are. So I like didn't ever think some of these people I didn't even know some of these people existed and yet somehow I have still not been on the breakfast club. Like, I can meet Julie Bowen, but I don't go on the breakfast club. I don't get it. But and I know she's with this guy, ethan Slater I'm supposed to like, if I think Ariana Grande might like me and might want to spend time hanging out with me, I'm supposed to like not try to do that out of the sanctity of, you said, of society.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever, I say it back, I think you like shoot your shot, do whatever you got to do.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I want to know what you really mean, though. Like, because it's never, it's like wait. So we're all supposed to be protecting the sanctity of each other's relationships. Like I got to do that too.
Speaker 2:That doesn't sound right either.
Speaker 1:But what do you think, Josh?
Speaker 4:I just think it depends on who's initiating the interest. That's really what I think it comes down to. I mean, ultimately, like I don't really feel like the immorality of it is. You know that's up to her debate. I don't know, I don't really feel like they even that's all that interesting to debate, like the immorality of it.
Speaker 4:To me it's just like, but like who you might lay fault at, it's just like whoever's trying, whoever's, whoever's trying like and whoever tries first, like that's kind of where I'm at with it. Like, look, if she was trying what's it called, the person in the relationship was, you know, sort of putting the feelers out there, showing the interest and sort of seeing where, like, because you know it kind of goes both ways. You know what I'm saying. Like you know nine times out of 10, I feel like, unless you know, there are people that are just genuinely. You meet people in relationships that are just sort of flirty people in general, but you know they don't mean anything by it. Those people, that's one thing. But then there's those people you know, like you know you probably met those. We've all met those people. You know they're in a relationship and they're testing you to see what's it called to see if you are, like you know, have whatever the gumption to you know to try to shoot your shot in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1:That's real. Yeah, that's a real thing.
Speaker 4:Like that's a very real thing and I think at the end of the day, I'm like I put the what's it called, I put the immorality at both people's feet. But if you both end up liking each other and you both end up together and it ends up being, like you know, a fruitful relationship, I don't really see a problem with it. The only thing is like I only have an immorality I see with it is if you are like a person that is notorious for just constantly being like, you know, fuck all these single people out here, I'm just going to go after people in relationships.
Speaker 2:And there are people like that too, Okay okay.
Speaker 1:So you're saying if the ambitions are impure, then that's bad right. You're saying, if you do it for Okay, ooh, ooh, thank you, morgan, here you go.
Speaker 2:If the goal is to just be like, ooh, I can take this person that's out of that's in a relationship and make them mine versus I have a genuine interest in this person. Maybe that's where the line is, I guess I don't know. You talk, it's your show.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to do. Okay, I think that, yes, I've asked the questions. Now my thoughts are like you know. I was listening to the Joe Budden podcast and they were batting this around and Melissa Ford speaks up and says she says how do you steal somebody's husband? Like how do you steal somebody who doesn't want to be stole? And that's kind of the only thing that I heard from the whole discussion. I don't remember one other point that was made.
Speaker 1:That was the only thing, because it said the words that I think are what I have felt the whole time, which is like I feel sort of the responsibility to honor and in some ways protect the relationships of people that I care about, such that they're healthy. And, as far as I can tell, like I'm gonna tell the truth. My sister knows what I just said is like half true, mostly when it comes to other people's relationships. Like if people start talking to me about their relationships, I mostly be like giving them every signal that like I'm on Pluto right now, like don't even I have nothing to say, I have no way in, I have like nothing to offer here, like I stay out of it, because what happens is especially people with kids. They feed you all this, and this has happened to me. They feed you all this shit about how their relationship is all fucked up. You then become a receptacle of how their relationship is all fucked up. I wouldn't do this to you, morgan, though, because I am here for you, morgan. I mean that, but most of you guys are not. Most of you guys are not. Don't have the honor of Morgan, which is to say you feed someone all this information about how your relationship's all fucked up. You're so mad. Your partner's this and that and the third, and they undermine you and they don't respect you, and they, you know, blah, blah, blah. You're all there for them. You take it all in. You almost start to build up a resentment for their partner because of the things that they've been telling you, and then you know two shakes of a lamb's tail and you're right back in love, and now I am the reflection of all the mean things that you told me about your partner, and so now our relationship is fucked up because you see me as the person who knows where the bodies are buried in your relationship. I've been through that. That sucks. I don't wanna do that. Why did I even bring that up, because here's what I really feel.
Speaker 1:What I really feel is, like people in relationships, your relationship is your responsibility. It is the third party, whether that is a single person, a person in their own relationship, a person in a polyamorous relationship, whoever like those people can and will. We know now, home wrecking is all around us. They will shoot their shot as much as they feel like it and as much as you leave an opening for shots to be shot. So I really don't feel now a child will suffer for this. A child will suffer for this. Why are you laughing, morgan? You're laughing. Okay, a child will suffer for this, and that's bad. But that child's daddy was already looking for an exit ramp and it found an exit ramp in the form of Ariana Grande, and that is like finding an exit ramp to Chick-fil-A. You, if you're looking for it already, if you're hungry and it's not Sunday, you're going to take that ramp. So that's what he did. All right, on the subject of home wrecking, doc Rivers.
Speaker 4:That's a great second one that was a good transition. That was great.
Speaker 1:Okay, the Bucks. You know what's great when it comes to this NBA shit. I'm going to say this. It's going to irritate my friends. I play this game. Two guys, who I know for a fact, listen to this show. The other two black guys in this league I'm in a league with like six dudes, actually, there's no three other guys listen to this show. One of them is a Shiel who you guys met. One of them is Leon, who you've heard call in. One of them is Justin, who you've probably heard me reference.
Speaker 1:We talk about sports all the time, we debate sports all the time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And we're in this league where, at the beginning of the year, you each choose five or six teams, depending on how many people in the league. It's like a draft and throughout the year, you get points for their wins. You can bet on certain games to get extra points, et cetera, and I win pretty much every single year. This is a fact. This is a fact. Okay, I'm not good at everything. I'm good at that and I love that, because we can debate about LeBron and Giannis and Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, but then in a day, there's a scoreboard, just like Evan who won back-to-back, which is impossible, and we still owe him tickets to a game two games now. Evan won the Tower of Anarchy twice. We had the inaugural season of the Tower of Anarchy and the subsequent season of the Tower of Anarchy and he won twice. And it's amazing that he won twice because it's really hard to bet on basketball or sports in general, because the odds are made so well by computers that have so much more data than the rest of us, which is why I think my friends who bet on sports every single day are masochists. But it's awesome when I'm right. It's so great when I'm right about the NBA. And here's something that I am right about and I will continue to be right about, and every single time there is a new node that supports my rightness. It's going to be irritating to a smaller group of my friends. I'm right about the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1:The Milwaukee Bucks destroyed their identity when they buy Yonis' own wishes and in some cases I mean in some ways people would say they had to do this. They had to acquiesce to Yonis', demands to resign him. But they let Drew Holiday go, they traded him. He is back to haunt them like a wraith, like a phantom, like a ghost on the Boston Celtics, the team that I believe will win the championship and they did so to bring in Damien Lillard. Who the Boston Celtics are like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:The Milwaukee Bucks are like a battering rim. That's their identity. They have Yonis and Brooke Lopez manning the paint protecting the rim, who are just huge trees. They are, in their own ways, uniquely athletic for their sizes, including Brooke Lopez. You guys, it's crazy that Brooke Lopez can hit, you know, 253s in a season and can also be one of the top shop blockers in the league. Like that's an athlete, y'all. Yonis is maybe the best athlete in the NBA of all time ever. It's like him. Lebron, Pete LeBron is in there, pete Dwight Howard is in there, but it really might be Yonis.
Speaker 1:And then, at the point of attack, they had a roaming, destructive free safety in Drew Holiday, who is especially at his prime, but even still past his prime, like as devastating as a point guard defender as you can have at the point of attack on your defense. And they traded, they made, they did that dumbass shit. They got all lubed up for the sexy thing which is Damien Lillard's game, winning shots that he makes in rounds that are irrelevant of the playoffs and sometimes in the regular season, and they traded away their whole fricking identity for Damien Lillard. And now a black will pay, named Adrian Griffin. Because, of course, because, of course, because the GM fucked up the roster. The owner certainly doesn't pay. The owner doesn't pay. That's not a thing that happens, even when terrible things happen in your arena and around your owner. The owner doesn't pay. A black man will pay.
Speaker 1:A black person, a black, adrian Griffin. He's out. He's gone After interviewing 14 times for the job. By the way, if you have to interview 14 times for a job, that's a bad job. Don't take that job. They don't want you, they'd like. If you had to go on 14 dates with someone before they were willing to like say, like, okay, great, like we're dating, that's bad guys. That's too many dates. That's too much. That's too many interviews. Adrian Griffin is out and Ariana Grande is in Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1:Doc Rivers is. He is like a siren for white billionaires. He has them in his tentacles in a way that I have. He needs his brain needs to be studied. I have known no other black man than Doc Rivers to be able to get so many high profile opportunities from white billionaires. It is amazing to me he should be working as like a partner at a hedge fund. He should be raising millions and millions of dollars to be invested because of how much white billionaires love Doc Rivers. And here's here. For those who don't are not familiar with Doc Rivers, here's some things to know about him. He's from Chicago, played in the NBA, was a point guard, shooting guard in the league. Good, but not great. Like at what level? Like a a starter. A starter, but not a star.
Speaker 1:He has a son named Austin Rivers, who played in the NBA for probably eight, nine, ten years, went to Duke, was one of the highest. How did recruits coming out of high school, out of Florida where they lived Doc Rivers used to coach the Orlando Magic. He used to coach the Boston Celtics coached him to a championship. He used to coach the Los Angeles Clippers. He sort of made himself. Doc Rivers is all things Okay, he's a champion as a coach. The NBA almost tried to make him like a civil rights figure when they were getting Donald Sterling out the paint when he said big magic Johnson, what's he ever done? He's got AIDS.
Speaker 4:One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1:Y'all should check that out.
Speaker 4:One of the greatest clips of all time.
Speaker 1:When they were getting Doc Rivers out the I mean Donald Sterling out the paint as the Clippers owner. Doc Rivers was kind of like around that as the head of that Doc Rivers house was burned down because he is married to a white woman in Florida where he was the coach of the Orlando Magic. His house the childhood home of Austin Rivers Please make sure I'm right on the reporting this but was burned down. He coached the Ubuntu Celtics to a championship. He coached the failure Joellen Bede, james Hard and Sixers to the second round, which is where they always look, where Joellen Bede always loses. He is has he? Have I missed a stop for him? He's coached. He is now moving on to another great job. He is coached. I'll just off the top of the head. This is going to make it now. Yannis, encin, ticumbo, damien Lidlard, kevin Garnett, regan Rondo, paul Pierce, ray Allen, chris Paul, blake Griffin. Who am I forgetting? I'm missing? Oh, dwight Howard, no, no, no, t-mac, not Dwight Howard. Joellen Bede, tyrese, maxie, james Harden, ben Simmons. He has coached like 15 All-Star to all NBA level players and now he's going to go coach Yannis, and Yannis has some blood on his hands for this. Like Yannis, has been vocal about the disarray of the team, et cetera, et cetera. Like Adrian Griffin got fired after 43 games, okay, doc Rivers is now going to be on payroll as the new coach. Adrian Griffin is still on the payroll through his contract. Their previous coach what's that guy's name? Bud Bud Budenholzer, also still on the contract. They're going to be paying three coaches to have Doc Rivers come in.
Speaker 1:But this is the most important part. Doc Rivers is a white man whisperer in a way that I want to understand. He was working on the ringer as one of the voices on the ringer for a few months just now with Bill Simmons. Bill Simmons used to skewer Doc Rivers when he was the coach of the Boston Celtics. He brings Doc in as like a voice to come on on basketball every week with Bill and go like head-to-head kind of thing, and their chemistry was lovely. It was like it was fucking buoyant, it was beautiful, it was like it was so easy and I'm just like, wow, doc Rivers, doc Rivers, this is a special person and I don't know where to assign, how he's been able to pull this off. But there is something about Doc Rivers that attracts the trust and love of really, really, really, really, really wealthy white men, and I'm struggling to think of another black person who had it's not like Mike Tomlin Different. Mike Tomlin's had one dope job and he has overperformed to keep that job as the head coach of the Steelers. Like I'm trying to think of who is the other guy or Gal who has this same siren song for the white billionaire? And I can't. I can't think of the person.
Speaker 1:The Milwaukee Bucks are going to fail. A victory for the Bucks this year is a championship because they have Yannis and Dame Lillard and like it's going to fail. Doc Rivers is not the coach that gets you over the hump. He's not the guy that gets you over the hump if you have a broken structure, which is what they do. The problem is they swapped in the sexy thing that had you guys' eyes like all lighting up because it's Dame Lillard. Oh my God, dame Lillard. Like Dame Lillard is not a fixture of winning in the NBA. That's broken. Like it's not going to work until they get somebody else back on the perimeter who has that kind of like, has that kind of impact on basketball.
Speaker 1:So so I was right and I'm going to continue to be right and I love it. All right, we're going to do questions, because some of these questions have been pretty good. I'm learning some interesting stuff. I am starting this week something that I hope will actually next week, something that I hope will grow into a larger like I don't know recurring program. Okay, I'll tell you guys, my big, my big vision for this thing is like one day I would love to have some sort of summit or retreat that is like a three day experience where a bunch of people who are serious about moving forward their creative projects come to a place. What's been in mind for me is somewhere like somewhere like Joshua tree, like a desert, a really really, really really nice Airbnb or like housing venue, and that we spend those three days.
Speaker 1:And I mean like serious people, like people who, people who are like, who want to either get out of their nine to five by way of their creative vision, or who already have taken that jump and are like feel some level of urgency about actually making the thing happen, not people who are kind of like I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, and and I think it's actually going to be easy to screen for that. I think you just make it cost prohibitive for anybody who's going to be like I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And then you find ways to make the cost manageable for someone who can't afford that but is serious, by screening in a different way. We'll figure it out, but the steps leading up to that, I'm realizing, are I have started a dialogue on Instagram with my followers, who I'm learning are, many of whom are people who Really want to step out of their life and into something that they care more about and feel enthusiastic about, like feel electric about, and they just don't know how to get from a to be on that, exactly like how to get the ball rolling. But they are serious, I can tell, because, like, they're willing to pay to talk about it, basically. So One thing that has come up that's been recurring.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna read two questions and you'll get the gist. The question was what do you want this year? Just open ended, I just said what do you want this year? And here's one answer to figure out what to do with my life after 10 years off of work, after having two kids. Here's another one finish my book, but I'll settle for writing a page a day. Join the process.
Speaker 1:And I started conversations with these people in DMs and just to get a sense of what's going on with them, what's blocking them, et cetera. And one thing that's been coming up is like I spent too much time away from my creative project. I spent too much time away also from just the environment that supports these projects. For instance, if I hadn't spent any time in podcasting the last five years and now, after 10 years, instead, let's say, working at Google was like oh, I wanna start a podcast, excuse me, I would be able to hack together some of how to make it, but there's all these little things, and then there's all these almost spiritual things that have to be sorted out to actually clear the runway for you to do what you're trying to do. The same is true for screenwriting, the same is true for production, the same is true for writing a book. It's like, conceptually, these things are simple, and they are simple once you have the right information to make that launchpad.
Speaker 1:So what I see from these people specifically is like one person even shared her age with me and she feels like this is so far gone for me. I actually I don't wanna put a feeling on her, but what I'm inferring from her sharing her age was like that might be a block to me getting traction in this. That might stop some. Maybe that makes me not the right person for this path or whatever. And I think truly, I really truly believe this. I think the person who has the confines of a real life, with real I don't wanna say burdens, but responsibilities, like kids, a mortgage the person who has the structure of a life that says you don't get to spend 10 hours a day every day on this, to me is perfect because you will assign yourself in a lot of amount of time every day and that small, narrow confine of space that you have to walk through it will restrict you, if you like. If you, if you, will be thoughtful about your approach, it will stop you from doing all this dumb shit that I think man have.
Speaker 1:I spent a lot of time doing dumb shit over the last seven years because I've had no job. Like man have I spent a lot of time chasing headlines and relationships that I didn't need to. Actually, I could have been doing this all along. I could have. If I had started doing this seven years ago, imagine where this would have been. But you have the benefit of I was chasing other things. I was chasing social status. I was chasing self-esteem, prestige, hollywood street cred. Boy, did I not need any of that shit. So I think you, with the life that you have, if you have a wifi connection, if you have a basic understanding of social media, that I or somebody else can help you like I am. So not a social media whiz, but I have learned enough to figure out how to like do the same repeatable steps over and over and over again just to get eyeballs on my stuff. Like I think you are well suited. I think you're better suited, probably, than you know that you are Person who has kids.
Speaker 1:Person who's in their 50s, person who has a nine to five job. Like person who now the other question that comes up that I've been or not. It's not a question, it's a response which is people saying I want to spend my life doing something I care about going like that's what they're saying. Like ah, I'm so tired of doing this dumb shit. I wanna do something I love. My challenge to that is like can you green light yourself first by like making the smallest polished version of the thing that you want to spend your life doing? If you wanna be a TV writer, like can you finish your first screenplay? Or, even better, honestly, can you make your first digital short Two minutes, two minutes, and then I can show you how to run a digital campaign on it to get views on it. If you can make one little thing explode, like if you can get a hundred thousand views on one thing, you can leverage that into so much more that you want, like it's.
Speaker 1:The question is just the thing to know is that mysterious person who's going to green light? You is yourself. Like that other person is not out. Spike Lee couldn't do it. Like Spike Lee couldn't get my show on TV, morgan Freeman couldn't get my show on TV. Like that person is not out there. It's you.
Speaker 1:You like, once you show they're all looking for the person who can self-start themselves. Enough, these studios and shit. They wanna pour fuel on a fire that's already burning. So you just gotta like that's all they're gonna do. I promise you, I promise you, especially the agencies, I promise you they are not going to give you a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get your not going to get your flame ablaze. You gotta do that and you can do that from your home living room. You can do that, for, if you have $100 to spend a month on promoting your own stuff, if you can take $100 out of your Uber Eats budget a month and put it into promotion for your own stuff online. So don't rule yourself out. There is, the industry is in disarray. There is no greenlighter right now. If the greenlight is whoever the fuck the audience, whoever the consumer says is the greenlight, that's the greenlight right now. So just don't rule yourself out right now.
Speaker 1:Great speech, okay, live show February 8th, washington DC at Shanklin Hall. Go to Shanklinhallcom or go to the link in my bio Listen. Okay, I have learned something. I've learned this from a sales expert who cut his teeth in sales, really in training and teaching people how to sell at Google, linkedin, what's that? One that starts with an? I Indeed no Good one, though I can't remember. I can't remember. Hi Kenzie, this is a high performing, I would say a highly a person who understands sales okay Deeply, in a real way, not like salesy sales, not like that silly shit on movies, like actual sales. He said Chai, you are good at selling. He says it all the time. He says you are really good.
Speaker 1:Salesman Says that Sell things, sell big things, sell little things. Selling is about honesty. So I am about to sell you all these tickets for this live show. Okay, we started marketing these tickets two weeks ago. There's two weeks until the show. Most people wait until the week of something before they buy their tickets. We have sold out half of the venue, which is to say, in half of the time that we will have spent selling these tickets, we've already sold half the venue, which means the tickets will sell out.
Speaker 1:When you text me because the tickets are sold out, set this before. I'm going to repeat it. At best I will ignore you. At worst the text will turn green because you have texted the wrong number. Okay, when you texted the number, you meant the text, but it's not my number anymore.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to add one more thing, and it's honest. I love it. I love telling the thing. I love saying the truth. It's so, fire. This is the truth. If I know you live in DC and you're not there, you can tell. I'm the kind of person who will remember that. Right, does that seem obvious? I'm the nigga who will see you again and you will go to DapMe and you will feel in my Dap that I remembered that you weren't there. I'm not saying that to scare people into going, because I'm not scary, but what I mean is I will notice because and this is the other thing, and this I love this form of honesty you guys know these shows are going to get bigger and this is show number one.
Speaker 1:You know that by show number 10, this is going to be a rock house event. Okay, you guys know that this is show number one. The people who come to show number 10, not going to notice who's there, it's going to be too many people. This is show number one. Okay, the pictures, all that, these pictures will live. It'll be a picture of me in this venue with you guys, and I will remember that, because at show number 10, we might not even get to Dap because I don't know how many people are going to be there. I know exactly how many people will be there for this one. So go buy your tickets. If you procrastinate, it's still going to be all love, but it'll be a different kind of love. It'll be like the love I have for my colleagues in Hollywood. Okay, this is nothing but air key. Goodbye. Bye, bye.
