Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
Music: Marcus Williams
Nothing But Anarchy
Eps #96 Navigating Life's Challenges, Hip-Hop Lifestyles, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, Amanda Seales & Black Hollywood, JLo v the Trolls, and the Theory of an Idea
Join us as we pull back the curtain on the unglamorous truths of career-building and life management. Then, we delve into the cultural waves made by Future and Metro Boomin's latest work and the drama between Kendrick Lamar, Drake, and J Cole. Chad the addresses Amanda Seales' comments about Black Hollywood and the theory of an idea.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
welcome back to nothing but anarchy. Here's what I was gonna say. What was I gonna say? I don't know, I'm lost like and subscribe to our youtube channel. Um, all right, I'm jumping right in. So this is what happened. Um, this is this. Segment is called. Segment is called. This is what is going on in Chad's life.
Speaker 1:And what's that Creative? And, uh, this is like this whole episode today is going to be a little bit more life station-y, a little bit more of like us taking a second to talk about thoughts and feelings and the things that we're threading through. As you know, we chart our own journeys and, for me and Morgan sent me a clip of Kara Lawson, who is the coach of the Duke women's basketball team. Who is the coach of the duke women's basketball team the lady blue devils, I believe they are called maybe for me, right now, there's a lot of paddling going on right now in life. Um, there's a lot of like I have to paddle. I have to like a little ducky or something, or like a dog doing doggies not doggy style, jesus christ, doing, um, the doggy paddle. I have to like. I, right now I'm there's a bunch of plates spinning.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to keep myself afloat, uh, because we're building all the right things, I think. I hope that's my thesis um, but the building is not glamorous. The building of it all is not fucking glamorous, and that's what we're going to talk about a little bit today. And there's like some very real, tangible life analogies to the non-glamorous building of it all that's happening right now. But give you an example Destiny is my assistant, morgan is obviously Morgatron, and both of them are also friends and former colleagues, and they are the two people in my life right now who, in different ways, can remind me of all the things that I haven't done yet right, can remind me of all the things that, like I need to get done so that things can keep moving forward. And because I've asked them to do that, like that's important, I need people to remind me. There's this list of stuff you got to get to and if you don't get it done, things don't happen. For instance, like reviewing a contract, signing said contract, rescheduling a thing that got rescheduled Are you booking a ticket to do this thing? Are you doing that thing? Have you, have you written this down? Have you put this together yet? Are you ready to start marketing this thing? Are you marketing it? Are you going to show up for it? Like those types of things. And then, naturally, I have my own personal list of those things in my head as well and, generally speaking, when I'm not getting done the things that are on their lists, it is because I'm trying to prioritize whatever feels like is the most important thing that has to get done, that second or else nothing else can happen.
Speaker 1:And it's a weird back and forth that I think many of you can probably relate to, where this is the status. This is the situation I think of like modern life, for let's call it young ish to middle aged adults, right? So I'm saying like basically 25 to 49. It's this constant, it's like this constant churn of you're always doing something, you're always processing something, you're always the next thing is always in your head oh, I gotta get this done, oh, I gotta get that done, I gotta schedule this. I always in your head oh, I gotta get this done, oh, I gotta get that done, I gotta schedule this, I gotta pay for that, I gotta buy this, I gotta move that.
Speaker 1:And at the same time you are always being flooded with images and noise and voices and text that is telling you what other people are doing. But what it's actually telling you is what other people have already done, because otherwise it wouldn't be streaming into your brain. And for me, it creates this weird conflict of feeling like I'm tired and like I'm doing something all the time, but also feeling like, damn, damn, is anything actually happening? Am I actually doing anything? Is anything moving forward? Like, is progress happening? And part of it is that, I think because of the internet, because of social media and just because of, like, our addiction to motion. At this point, I find myself constantly taking stock of like where I'm at at all times, constantly checking like, we can say as metaphysical as like where am I at in my life, where am I at in my journey, where am I at geographically? But also like, where am I at in my career? Where are we at on the metrics? Where am I at on my matriculation toward said date of whatever the thing is, whatever, whatever, whatever. Here's an example my book will come out early next year, which means less than a year from now, which to you as the audience and the consumer, means basically never. Until I remind you, but to someone who has to market a book that in a second, is going to feel like tomorrow, in two seconds I'll look up, it'll be June, pre-sales will be available and then I will be sprinting toward that date for the following X amount of months and I'm excited for that, I'm looking forward to that. But today it's March, which means today what I have to do is like do this show. Figure out how we're going to make money with this show, how we're going to be able to continue to pay the bills for the production of this show, figuring out how we're going to grow the show, how we're going to do other things, how we're doing things whatever. Here's the actual point of all of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I traveled over the weekend. I watched while traveling three scary movies the exorcist and insidious parts one and two. I made it through half of part two. Um, those are scary movies and I have a rule, which is that I do not watch scary movies unless I'm with friends or I have Penny, my German shepherd, at the house 80 pounds, big girl. And so when I got back, when I landed, on what day was that? What's today? Tuesday, what's today Tuesday?
Speaker 1:When I landed on Sunday night, I had this list in my head of all the things I was going to do when I got back to New York, of all the shit I was going to get to to keep this train on the track, to make sure that all of Morgan's texts could be answered with good answers and destinies, and my own, and to get it. And finally go back through my email. Look at, likegan has asked me several times if we've been paid for something. I can't even look. I cannot look at my bank account until I'm emotionally ready to deal with whatever has hit and what hasn't hit and all the things, all the outbomb monies as well. Right, because there's a few things right now that I have to look at and be like where's my money for this, where's this, this, where's that, where's this? And these have real I know cry me a river, but like these, have real implications. You guys, I know exactly how much money it costs to be able to keep my life going somewhere, month over month over month over month. That is the situation. It's like some other entrepreneurs call it making payroll month. That is the situation. It's like some other entrepreneurs call it making payroll.
Speaker 1:But so I was ready to do all that shit and I knew the first thing I was going to do when I got back to New York was I was going to go and pick up Penny from the dog sitter, because I watched those scary movies and I knew I wouldn't get any sleep if I didn't have Penny in my house. So I get home, I jump in an Uber, I land at LaGuardia. I jump in an Uber. I get, I land at LaGuardia, I jump in an Uber. I get back to my house. I go to start the car. I take the bags inside, I go to start the car and the car is a brick. It is freezing cold and the car will not. I can't even use the fob to open the key to like open the thing, because it's because the car is dead Battery's dead. So that means I take an Uber pet to go pick up my dog in a giant minivan. It costs $100 to go pick her up and bring her back, which is like half the cost it took just to lodge her there for those three days. I get back, I get a little bit of sleep because I'm still scared.
Speaker 1:I wake up the next day and I have to walk my ass to an auto mechanic shop to buy a car battery, walk it back. A car battery is very heavy. A car battery is something that I probably. I probably squatted and put the car battery down six or seven times while walking it back from the auto mechanic, so I had to switch arms with it because a car battery is heavy. It's probably, if I had to guess, the car battery is probably 50 to 60 pounds. It is very heavy. I get it back to the car.
Speaker 1:I watch a YouTube video of a bro explaining in 12 minutes that I have to slow down and stop and pause. I have to go walk and buy tools and bring them back to the house. I do all this shit. To get my old car battery out of the car and reinstall a new one. It takes about an hour to an hour and a half. Now this is probably the most rewarding feeling that I have felt when the car started after I replaced the battery. Like I, this is a point of growth in my life is that sometimes, when I hit a dead end on something that requires me to like slow down and learn how to do something, I will avoid it, or I will try to go around it, or I'll try to find somebody else to do it. Nobody else was going to come and do that for my car battery Nobody else and I wanted to make it to basketball by one o'clock to play ball. So I learned how to fix the car. I learned how to change the car battery, started. The car drove to the thing, but that is all to say the last 48 hours from the time that my plane landed until this moment have been a comedy of errors of me not getting to actually do any of the things I was supposed to do when I got back here, and so now I'm two days behind.
Speaker 1:Kara Lawson right, that's her name. She says and I relate to this she's talking to the Blue Devils ladies basketball team, which are who are currently in the NCAA tournament, which is a great analogy for this. She's talking to them. She's giving a speech in this clip that Morgan shared with me and she's saying to them college kids right, they're probably between 19 and 22. They probably think life is really hard right now. Right, they're in there. They're probably between 19 and 22. They probably think life is really hard right now. Right, they're like oh, I got to fucking work out every day. The opponent is tough. One of my teammates doesn't like me. The guy that I'm dating is being an asshole. I got to figure out what's up with my. I got to figure out if I'm going to go into transfer portal next year. Oh, my God, I'm 20. Life is so fucking stressful. I don't have any NIL deals coming in, whatever. Whatever. Life is so stressful. And Kara Lawson, who is, as I see her in this clip as serious as a heart attack. She really wants them to get this message to digest it them.
Speaker 1:We as human beings are constantly. We are living life, waiting for and looking for that moment where we're going to turn a corner, feel relief and life is going to get easier, like, oh, when I just get this job and these benefits, life's going to get easier. Oh, when I fucking sell this TV series, I'm going to be fast tracked and then I'm going to and life's going to be easier. Oh man, when I get in this relationship, my life's going to be easier. When I get out of this relationship, my life's going to be easier. When my kids get to X grade and they're not doing blah, blah, blah anymore, life's going to get easier. And it's one one of those. It's like one of those things. I'm watching it and I'm like oof, this is one of those messages where you know it's true. As the words are coming out of her mouth, you almost don't want to hear it, because I think, to some extent, that hope, that like when I just do x, life's gonna be easier I think we like that is the hope that sometimes gets us through is that if I can just power through to this date. Everything is going to be relief after that.
Speaker 1:She is dispelling that myth in a way that you have to do If you care about somebody, like, you have to do it. You have to say it to somebody If you see them living under the precept or the pretense that that's what is the case. But when I hear her say it, I'm like she's right, she's right, I do the thing where I wire myself. That's why I avoid, like, that's why I don't just bite the bullet and do. The thing is because I'm like man, if I can just make it to blank date, this check will hit and then I can just pay for somebody to do blah, blah, blah. Oh man, when I just get this book out, then I'll have X amount of an audience or X amount of a following and I won't have to do these jobs anymore. Whatever, whatever. But like she's right, it's not true.
Speaker 1:But her message is and this is the part that's hopeful to me is it's like life doesn't get easier, but you get better at handling harder things. That is true. That is true, chatty. You do get better at handling harder things. You, chatty, have probably had your hardest year of life Like to this, this last calendar year has probably been your most difficult year of life. Like to this, these last calendar year has probably been your most difficult year of life and yet, like, you're still going, it's still happening, it's still growing every now and then you get a moment, you get like a little glimpse of that good thing that you want to happen is happening. Like this is your life, it's happening.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I needed to give myself a motivation, like like drake, I needed to give myself a motivational speech right now, because I just couldn't believe that that was what. Like I didn't know, I didn't know that the car was dead. That's crazy. Like I was just living my life not knowing that when I got to my car at 10 o'clock pm on a Sunday in the freezing cold, that the car was not going to start. I didn't know that. But like I didn't fucking, I didn't crouch in a corner and cry, I didn't panic, I didn't know that. But like I didn't fucking, I didn't crouch in a corner and cry, I didn't panic, I didn't like yell at anybody there's nobody to yell at. I just went and fucking, got in a minivan and picked up my dog. So all right, this is nothing but anarchy.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to squeeze a few things in here. We're gonna squeeze a few things in here. We're gonna talk about um j cole drake. Uh, we might talk about amanda seals um, yes, those are all three mixed people, but that is not the point of this segment. We're also going to talk about the theory of an idea, which is morgan's segment, which I'm very excited to see how morgan's going to set this up. But let's just start right here. Let's just start here because we do this show on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Music drops on Fridays, which means or Thursdays, which means we don't get to come in with instant response to the music, but sometimes I think that's OK because it has to, has to sit for a little bit, all right.
Speaker 1:So Future and Metro booming Future 40-year-old, metro, 30-year-old. They're like us, morgan. Ten years apart, a dynamic duo, ten years apart, they dropped an album on Friday called we Don't Trust you and, unless you are a future listener, I could give you guys a review of like the album as music, but I don't. I know that's not. This is where we are. This is where we are in society. The review of the album musically is unimportant, because an album at this point is just just a package of songs. That's it. It's not a story with a through line. It's just a package of songs that people literally will take and put them in different order on their own playlists, and that's fine, honestly. That's fine Because what is important here is that Future and Metro Boomin shout out to morehouse college.
Speaker 1:Metro boomin went to morehouse, has a scholarship at morehouse in his name. Um, they are collaborators of many years, probably over a decade. At this point they have put out, um, some very, I think, very important music culturally and the importance that I would speak to is just like big ass hits, big songs. Big songs that you will hear at a sporting arena. Big songs you will hear at a club. Big songs you will hear in your friend's car. Big songs you will hear at the beach. Big songs you will hear at a strip club. Big songs you will hear in your friend's car. Big songs you will hear at the beach. Big songs you will hear at a strip club. Big songs you will hear at a hookah bar. Big songs that you will hear when people are in their most visceral, when people are like living out of their fingertips and not in their head. That's where you will hear their music, and that makes it important to me.
Speaker 1:Now I have a challenged connection to futures music. At this point I am. This is what I'm going through right now. I'm 36, I am obviously a black male and I don't want the life that the most of the specifically rappers of my same makeup are at least projecting that they have. I don't want a life like future's life. I don't want a life like Future's life. I don't want a life like Drake's life. I don't want a life like what it looks like is their life, and that's a strain on me, because part of what they're presenting to have in their life.
Speaker 1:I'll give an example, especially Future. Future goes all the way in on it. Drake actually goes all the way in on it too, but just with a different tone and skin complexion that makes people treat it differently. But they're projecting a life full of drugs, sex, travel, money, jewelry, gluttony lust, slavery, gluttony lust. Like coolness, clothes, cars, like we've been like rinse repeat we've been doing this for 50 years now in hip-hop and all of those things are things that like that's easy candy to show somebody like that is some of those things I truly do not give a damn about no cool clothes like that, but other things, that they have. Cool life, what a cool life.
Speaker 1:But I sit with it for literally one and a half seconds and my next thought on it is oh my god, I'm terrified of how future, of what future, might feel if he sat with himself and didn't inhale or snort or ingest anything to make the feelings go away. I'm scared of those. Right, I don't even drink because I don't like how I feel after I drink right now, which is like after I drink I'm like I can't do anything, I can't think straight, I can't like I said stuff that I don't, that really didn't come from where I wanted to come from, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a level of like tension that I feel with these characters and the life that they're living in general, or the life that they're displaying, because I can't speak to the life that they're living. I have no sense of everything that it takes to keep a creative career on the rails. I bet they don't have that much time for some of the shit that they be acting like. They're up to all the time, like little Wayne made.
Speaker 1:He said this in an interview, maybe like 10 years ago where he was like I'm paraphrasing all that shit that I'd be talking about, that I do in my raps and all that stuff. I don't have time for any of that. I'm rapping all day. Every day I'm writing and I'm rapping and I'm recording and I'm listening to my own music back over and over and over and over again. I don't have time for anything else. That's what he says.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, but the point of what I'm saying here is there's a part of me that when a future album comes out, I am so excited and enthusiastic to hear it. And then there's a part of me right next to that part that's like avoidant. It's like there's a resistance to it, because I know what I'm about to put into my brain. It's gonna hurt a little bit. Honestly, it's gonna hurt a little bit. It's gonna hurt a little bit because I feel scared for this person. Damn, I sound old as fuck. It's gonna hurt a little bit because it makes me feel sad about the relationship between men and women. It's gonna hurt a little bit because drugs it's gonna hurt about the relationship between men and women. It's going to hurt a little bit because drugs it's going to hurt and and yet. So I listened to it.
Speaker 1:There's only one song for us to talk about. Obviously, there's some other tracks that I like, but there's only one song for us to talk about. It is the song called Like that, which has a phenomenal hook by Future On its own. Just the production and Future's hook and the vibe of the song, even without Kendrick Lamar's Drake diss J Cole diss verse, stands alone. It stands alone. I think it would be the best track on the album even without his verse. But there's a Kendrick verse which came as a surprise to basically everybody. That Kendrick was even on this album, that Kendrick is even recording right now.
Speaker 1:And it is Kendrick saying and I will paraphrase again because you can listen to it yourself, and I think legally I'm only allowed to read three lines of somebody's music, but at least that's the case for publishing in books. But anyway, he is saying in so many words Drake J Cole, you guys are trying to do this little thing where you're like you're mobbed up right now and you're hanging out and you're performing together and whatever, whatever, and you're acting like there's a big three and it's y'all, two and it's me, and we're kind of like all on the same platform, same pedestal, whatever. But no, it's not. That, it's me, me, it is me. And even if you two conjoin like twins, you cannot. You guys are not better than me. That that's what he's saying, and what's coming out of him, even aside from the words, is like there's like energy coming out of him. There's like, um, he's doing a voice. You know, kendrick does all his Kendrick voices and shit. He's kind of doing one of those voices, but he's, he's talking. He's talking violently, he's talking competitively, he's talking directly. I mean, he doesn't say their names, but he might as well be doing so because he's talking about songs they've done together. He's talking about albums of each of theirs and he's just right at them.
Speaker 1:And I listened to it and I got on my face a big smile. I felt so happy when I heard it. I felt so happy because from the from inception, I have felt like this drake j cole alliance, drake J Cole Alliance, is fake and corny and silly and unserious and like and I don't, I don't get it. It's like it's almost like a rap version of, like Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry, but more ridiculous. Like I already didn't like it, I already don't feel like Drake can be trusted as an ally for basically anybody, and a part of that is like now, looking at the list of people who are former Drake collaborators, who are probably not on speaking terms with Drake, which includes Kanye West, rihanna, a$ap, rocky Future, metro, boomin, kendrick Lamar I'm forgetting somebody that I had written down yesterday. Whatever, I already just feel like Drake cannot be trusted, but I think to me, I think the cheesiest thing in the world is like two people who know in earnest that they are in competition, pretending to be in allyship, and that what I see between drake and j cole and I was happy to see kendrick poke his head out like a little demon with the and just and just jump right in there and say you guys are ass.
Speaker 1:And now and now we're gonna do the thing. Now we're gonna do the thing that is real. We're gonna do the thing now. We're gonna do the thing that is real. We're gonna do a thing that's honest, which is that we don't like each other. Let's compete, let's battle, let's do it. I've had a thing about competition. I've had a difficult relationship with competition my entire life because I'm a competitive person. But being a competitive person is not the thing that's actually been difficult for me. The thing that's been difficult for me is we have layered rules on top of when competition is required, when competition is celebrated, when competition is unallowed unallowed, for example, boy as I. I'm just going to stop here and just say, as I start marketing for this next book, I'm going to say a lot of things that are going to occur as problematic to the allowed black rhetoric, and this is going to be one of them.
Speaker 1:We ask rhetoric, and this is going to be one of them. We ask our black people, especially the publicly facing ones. We ask of us that we all are like in some sort of connected, conjoined grouping where we're all marching together for the same cause. That is not fair to us. Like that is not. That is not giving us the full range of human dimension. One of the ranges of human dimension is to feel that person is swerving too close to my lane. Is to feel that person is swerving too close to my lane I'm going to bumper cars, push that person back where they're supposed to be, which is not over here. That's just. That just happens societally. That is a cultural, biological trait. Okay, you feel somebody who is too close to your little shack and you push them out, get out of my shack. That's like. That's just what happens, I know. Is it nice, is it kind, is it principled? Does it follow the religious tenets? Of course not, but it is so like that is a part of the human experience. That is a part of the human experience. And so when we say, for instance, when we capture everything in the bottle of, like crabs in a barrel, black men pulling each other down, black people like don't black, you know, people throw this thing on us. Black people don't know how to collaborate. Black people are always fighting to be the one, the token, the whatever. That is not what's occurring here. This is rap. This is these are media titans.
Speaker 1:I'm reading a book called Burn Book by Kara Swisher. It details the intimate history of the people who pioneered Silicon Valley Jeff Bezos, mark Zuckerberg, mark Andreessen I forgot his name, but the former CEO of Uber who got pushed out, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, right, pushed out, etc, etc, etc, right. And a part of her telling, as she knows these people incredibly well, is telling the story of like this is capitalism. These are capitalists. They are going to try to devour each other. That's a part of what's happening here. That's a part of the game. The game board is set up that way. That's what these guys are doing. That's what this is. This is capitalism. Let them do their game like. Let them do their like.
Speaker 1:Let Kendrick come in here and say we're not buddies, we're not friends. They're not supposed to be. It's a competition. Okay, anyway. So I like the song. Go listen to the song. I hope that Drake responds. Drake, you have until Saturday to respond. That is as long as we're giving you, because Beyonce's album comes out on Friday and if you hide behind Beyonce's album, that's bad. Morgan, you're going to set up the theory of an idea. Morgan. Sean texted me. She said I heard this thing that I thought was very interesting. It's the theory of an idea. Morgan, can you please set it up for us so we can discuss it?
Speaker 2:Sure. So I was at this like group creative thing yesterday and this girl that I'm friends with was talking about this idea she had for this like children's book thing, and this other girl that she knew said, well, you know how I feel about ideas, and I was like that's a weird thing to say Like what do you?
Speaker 2:what do you mean by that? She's like well, I read this thing one time that was saying that ideas are like energy. And it's like an idea comes to you, it's like choosing you as a host for it and if you choose not to do anything with it, then that energy will go elsewhere and somebody else will make that idea happen, like turn it into a reality. And she talked about this woman who had this idea for whatever. She hugged somebody. She never told her. This idea hugged this person at an event, saw that person maybe two years later and that person had exactly gone out and done this thing that she had been marinating on. And she's like, wow, it's crazy. And she had never done anything with it. And I thought that was a really interesting concept, because I've always heard like you can't steal an idea, yes, but thinking of it as energy was was just interesting yes, also, I believe this counts as a g, as a gen z segment.
Speaker 1:um, yes, I agree with this point of view. I agree that a genius is a person who like open to trying a crazy idea and executing. And I think, okay. So brief, story-ish kind of thing, the beginning of this path that I'm on, whatever it is, I was starting to write TV pilots and screenplays and stuff and, morgan, you probably encountered this to a degree.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of fear, I think, for especially writers early in their careers, around how they're going to protect their ideas, how they're going to protect their precious TV series idea, their screenplay, their pilot, whatever. And I felt this, I felt this feeling that my ideas, my ideas, the ideas were so precious and they were so unique and they were so spectacular. And if anybody got a hold of my precious ideas and went off and made my thing without me, how broken I would feel and how sad and how like, what a, what a, what a terrible, what a terrible fate to befall me if my precious ideas somehow got out the process of protecting my ideas by registering everything with the Writers Guild and putting things in Google Docs with encrypted passwords and not telling my friends you know friends would ask me like, oh, what are you working on? And I would give them some. I see it right now a writer, early in their career, or you know, honestly, even a 50 year old who has like an idea for something, who's never made anything creative, but like they want to. You know, it's a dream sort of in their heads. I don't know if they want to, but it's a dream. And I'll ask them like, oh, what's up with the thing? What's the blah, blah, blah? And I can feel them being cryptic about it. Like I can feel them being a little bit evasive about it. And I know part of it is that they believe their thing is precious and they're looking at me as someone who might have the wherewithal to go and execute on their idea without them. And the truth is, to me, if someone else can execute your idea without you, you don't actually have autorial ownership over that idea. Like the idea has probably already hit other people and inspired them, but like if you're just sitting on it, it's it's not yours until you. It's that it's just an idea, it's nowhere. Like it's not yours until you start to put the path down in front of you. Like it's not yours until I.
Speaker 1:I feel this way I've said it before but like I get frustrated with the, with the brazen, bodacious fearfulness of people who call themselves or consider themselves to be, like ideas. People Like, oh, I'm an ideas person, oh, like I'm a strategist person. Like I'm like it's like it feels so, both at the same time fearful and self-aggrandizing. To be like my job is just to think and other people's jobs are to go out there and try things, experiment, fail, run into a wall, trying the things that I have so beautifully thought through. And I don't actually think those people ever get the glory in life that they have built up for themselves in their heads. Because, like we want to see somebody's walk, like we want to see the idea is useless. We want to see somebody get out there and push that shit and see what happens to them.
Speaker 1:Like I feel inspired by the person who is willing to go and look like an idiot, putting one foot in front of the other on something that was just an idea. Because the thing that happens is, once you start building on your idea, you need another idea. You need another idea. You need another idea. Like we started down the path with this show a year ago as a freaking sports show on AMP and I was sitting in that couch and the camera was pointed that way. Was there even a camera in the beginning? I don't remember. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2:There was a camera in the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:There was never not a camera, but they couldn see you in in real time gotcha, okay, okay, so they could see me, they could see the clips.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right, yes, there was always a camera, yes, but I'm. But here's the point. The point is like the ideas are like I have a iphone notes app full of the shit that comes up in a day because they're like logs in a fire. I just have to keep throwing them in there, throwing them in there, throwing them in there.
Speaker 1:Later today I will, or tomorrow, or something I will post like a short video of me and Alex, who you've met before, like in his studio messing with some, like messing with some, like messing with some um synthesizer boards and like a microphone and just like, kind of like just playing around trying to make something and like that won't be anything unless we do that a hundred times until it becomes something.
Speaker 1:And so I actually think this is sort of a message to the early 20s to mid 30s crowd of but not just them, but like crowd of us, sort of like, well, I'm not in that crowd and we're shit, but like the crowd of people with big dreams who are mostly sitting with and talking about those dreams all the time um, you can't, you're not allowed to be, but you will be, but you're not allowed to be mad and jealous and spiteful of the people in your community and in your circle who are gonna go out and like do the shit, because it's sitting right there. It's sitting right there for you to do it. Okay, morgan, what else did you think was interesting about this theory of ideas?
Speaker 2:Um, just that, the way she was talking about ideas was very like it's not yours, like, unless you make it yours Otherwise. It's kind of like this gift, like this like energy gift that can go to anybody, but it shows you, and whether you take responsibility to do something with it is one thing, otherwise it just goes away. Or, like somebody, it goes to somebody who will do something with it. I just had never heard someone explain it like that.
Speaker 1:And it will leave you like it. It like that, I just, and it will leave you like it it will that you know that feeling where you like you're writing something or you're making something, and then you get up and leave it and sometimes when you come back you get better energy for it. But, like, sometimes you come back and you're like this is not something. I don't even know what I was excited about here, because your whole, your whole life has changed around you and you're not the same anymore and so, like it is, it does, it does belong to somebody else now, because if you stay open to ideas, they can pass through you and you can give them to other people generously. There are really accomplished people who talk about how freely they will give away ideas because they know they're not the person to execute them. But that sort of that that free, generous, like offering to make sure somebody else can have it if it's a good one, I think leaves you open to the next good one that's supposed to pass through you. And I think that's what we're supposed to be doing as creative people is like we're supposed to be creating a network of these good ideas. We're supposed to be creating a network such that the things actually get done over time.
Speaker 1:Okay, in 90 seconds I am just going to respond to this Amanda Seals thing, because we never got to it before. Amanda Seals says of acceptance, in quote unquote black Hollywood I don't get invited to essence women in Hollywood. I've never been invited to the NAACP image awards. I've been. I've been nominated for an image award. Never been invited to the NAACP image awards. Never been honored at Black Girls Rock. Like I've hosted these events. I literally hosted the BET Awards in 2020 at my fucking house and I was not invited to the bet awards since. Okay, first thing, that last sentence is extremely confusing to me and I don't understand what it means. Did she literally wait 2020? Like the pandemic, she hosted the awards at her house. What does that mean? Also, okay, I gotta say it, fuck it. I gotta say it. I'm glad we, I'm glad we stopped here. Maybe we'll do j-lo on thursday with charlotte, but like, is it just me?
Speaker 2:I only know amanda seals from insecure she's been like a actor for like a long time well.
Speaker 1:I only know her from insecure and from people talking about her on the internet and seeing her face on the internet like is what's the other? Is there another out there? You guys, I'm sure someone will feel a way about this am I supposed to know amanda seals from something else? And I guess this is a perfect opportunity for me to talk about black hollywood, which is what I have done many times here. But like so here, here's one thing about black Hollywood it is quite literally a geographical region. It is not like black Hollywood does not extend to you If you live in, for instance, new York city, washington DC, another country like black Hollywood is literally a reference to the black people that live over there and not actually even in hollywood pretty much any of them. But like it is, it is a circle and a context and a tone and a internet pathology. It is a region of people who are like an interconnected community of folks that help each other, get jobs, go to brunch together and work in Hollywood, and there's a hierarchy that I do not completely understand or connect to. There is a way of being that I do not completely understand or connect to, but as far as I can tell most of the people who are in. I mean, I know some people very well. I have some great friends who are a part of that particular community and they don't love it. A lot of them feel lonely and isolated. A lot of them feel like they're not a part of something at all and I guess in that way, some of them probably feel how Amanda Seals feels, which is like if this is supposed to be a thing that encompasses all of us or that, you know, make gives us a place to be included, certainly I, as someone who has had a career in this business I guess Amanda Seals is probably in her forties, she's probably been doing this for 20 years or so Like, certainly I should be invited to the cookout if anybody. But it goes back to the thing. That is the thing which is, like most communities around Hollywood are centered around who has a budget. When the NAACP awards come up, someone produces that show when the BET awards come up. I've been to the BET awards. I sat in the second to very last row, right next, right behind Rudy Gobert. He's the biggest person on earth.
Speaker 1:When the BET awards come up, someone has a budget to produce that show. Someone has a budget to produce that show. That means money decisions are made. That means like a wedding, seating arrangements are made, sponsors get involved, tv series and movies and producers and studios say I want my person there. Agencies say I want my person there, there, there, there, there. There's trading that happens, there's bartering that's happening and I think Amanda Seals probably knows as well as anybody and this is probably her making her plea so that it doesn't go this way again against her favor. But, like she probably knows as well as anybody, those decisions are made as trades.
Speaker 1:It's not about it's's, I mean, it's kind of about quote unquote, who likes who. But like it's really just about like who owes who a back scratch or who wants a back scratch from who later on in the future. And so in that regard, to get our seats, amanda seals is probably gonna have to. I know amanda seals can ask the right person and get her seats at the bet awards. I know that she can. I know that she can, I can do that, a lot of people can do that. Just ask the right person.
Speaker 1:I don't know that you need to make a public plea of it, but if you do, I'm not even mad, because I feel the same way about Black Hollywood that you do Not, that I feel. I guess I feel excluded from it, even though I haven't asked for entry, but like, let's name this what it is it's like a for profit. It's like a for profit entity of bartering and trading and paying for favors. It is not a bunch of people sitting at the same cafeteria table, okay. Lastly, jlo. We're going to go through this very quickly, morgan, in 90 seconds or less. Can you tell us why are people making fun of JLo? We're going to go through this very quickly, morgan, in 90 seconds or less. Can you tell us? Why are people making fun of JLo.
Speaker 2:Okay, my TikTok has been filled with JLo slander. That is basically people stitching together the commentary on a recent— Her documentary came out and in it she's in her home home gym. It looks like with like her hair out naturally and she's talking about how she loves wearing her hair like this. It reminds her when she was like running up and down the block when she was 16 in the bronx and people are just like I don't know. I I don't know the deep history of her relationship to the bronx, but from the gist of it I can gather she hasn't been super present and so people currently living in the Bronx call her out a lot for constantly bringing up the Bronx because she is a millionaire and they think she brings it up to be quote-unquote relatable and they make fun of that.
Speaker 1:That's it. She's doing marketing. Marketing needs a story. As I have started to think through how I'm going to market my book, this is the thing that happens. I don't know why JLo was doing this interview about her bodega order.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was a couple of years ago. It was like a 20 questions thing. They asked her.
Speaker 1:There you go, but JLo will not be doing any interviews that are not meant to sell something, and selling and marketing requires you have to tell a story, and it's not interesting if you just say, man, I've been living in West Hollywood for the last 30 years like, and I'm rich as hell and I've been living with Ben Affleck and Alex Rodriguez, so, like, I never go to the bodega, I only eat, you know, vegan bacon, egg and cheese from. I don't know John and Vinny's, but the John and Vinny's doesn't have bacon, egg and cheese, especially not vegan. But I'm just mashing Los Angeles things together. Okay, the point of what I want to say here is like I'm learning a new part of the game. Maybe it's an obvious part to some of you, but this is new to me. It's new to me wrapping my head around it.
Speaker 1:You make something to be one thing. You title it to signal to the people what you think they want to try. You tell a story to signal to the people what you think will make them, give it a chance. Those are three different things what you made, what you call it and what you tell people about it are three different things. In my opinion, to have integrity. They should all be true, but that doesn't mean they all have to align. That doesn't mean they all have to be the same.
Speaker 1:Like I'm now thinking about, how am I going to market this book? It has this title. It is actually about these things, but I got to tell people a story that makes them feel like it is the thing that they want to pick up and open. And JLo has to do that too to us common folk, which means she has to pretend like she remembers eating bacon, egg and cheese in the Bronx. Also, I have lived in New York for 13 years. I think I've been to the Bronx maybe five times. Is Fordham in the Bronx? Yeah, so you've lived in the Bronx? What's your bodega order? Bronx woman.
Speaker 2:Oh, I am a bacon, egg and cheese person.
Speaker 1:Well, this has been Nothing but Anarchy. Thank you. We will see you guys on Thursday. Oh no, we won't, because we're going to be outside in the world somewhere, but we will. Oh no, we won't, because we're going to be outside in the world somewhere, but you can download. Any way that you get podcasts. Go like and subscribe us on YouTube. We will see you guys next time. Bye.
Speaker 2:Thanks for watching.
