Nothing But Anarchy
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Producer: Morgan Williams
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Nothing But Anarchy
Eps #99 The Future of Anarchy, Authenticity in Media, Tyler the Creator & AI in Art, and Emmanuel Acho's Comments on Angel Reese
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
Welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. This is episode number 99. Wow, okay, so we have made it almost to a year. It's a year on Tuesday, it's a year today.
Speaker 2:No, it's a year today. It's a year today, we've made it to a year of this show.
Speaker 1:We have done a year. On Tuesday, dear, today it's a year. Today it's a year. Today we've made it to a year of this show, we have done a year's worth of this show and we are coming up upon episode number 100, which is on Tuesday. Um, more on that. My dog is trying to get in to the office and it's fine. I don't know, I don't. They just it's just fine, it just is what? Fine, I don't know, I don't, it's just fine, it just is what it is. I don't know how that sounded.
Speaker 1:We got some stuff to talk about today. There's a lot to talk about today. I am incapable of focusing while burying the lead, so I'm going to start with that. We are coming up on our 100th episode of Nothing but Anarchy a year today to date, as I mentioned, but Anarchy, a year today to date, as I mentioned. And what is going to happen on episode 100 is that is going to wrap season one of Nothing but Anarchy.
Speaker 1:This is the only thing that I know of that does 100 episodes in a season, and there's a few reasons for that, and so I'm going to let you guys under the hood on that, because I think that's what we do on this show and I think it's important to be forthcoming in that way. There's probably a hundred reasons for them, but I'll give you, guys, the big reasons. Number one is that it takes a lot out of you to. It takes a lot out of us to self-produce a show for a year, um, including travel, preparation, studio costs, production costs, content costs, um, like a regular churn of trying to find things to talk about, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And we are people and, like like anything, um, I think it is worthwhile to take a breath and take a break so that you can do your best work when you show up to work and so that you're not like, I don't know, smoking on cigarette ashes is the way that I think about it. Like sometimes where, when I watch what people are doing and saying, and the ones who are less inspiring to me are the ones who are trying to make it work, just to make it work so they can show up and get their check, and that doesn't feel good, and we don't show up and get a check. So there's that too.
Speaker 1:Number two this was an interesting, so I would encapsulate that entire one as, like it's just time. It's time to take a breath and take a break. I have a lot of shit going on. Morgan has a lot of shit going on. We both have 50-11 jobs. Lot of shit going on. Morgan has a lot of shit going on. We both have 50, 11 jobs. I have a book coming out soon and there's a lot that requires my focus as I get ready for said book to come out. And so we got to take a break for a second. We got to take a break for I don't know how long of a second, but we got to take a break.
Speaker 1:Second thing this one is more uh, this one is more uh entertaining to me. So me and morgan were planning to have a. Me and morgan were planning to have like a catch-up, like a um sit down, catch-up, meeting. You know, morgan and I are like always running, running, running, texting, calling, seeing each other in the studio. You, you know, making things happen on the fly, like, okay, we want to try, this thing Got to execute. Okay, we want to try to get an influencer. Oh, I just got my coffee package, morgan, today, so I can drink the coffee and then advertise it. We're like trying to make deals happen.
Speaker 1:We're trying to make stuff happen. We're doing all the things and we rarely get a chance to like sit down and, you know, talk face to face and just take stock of everything and decide what direction we're going to go with things. We were supposed to do that, I thought, wednesday of this week, and after our Tuesday show, morgan says to me I'm paraphrasing hey, do you want to have that catch up call later today? And I like to think of myself as an intuitive person, especially when it comes to people who I am close to, and something made me feel like Morgan is going to drop some kind of a bomb on me, or not. Not a bomb exactly, but there's something Morgan wants to say that will be said in this conversation, and this is not just like a housekeeping catch up. Morgan, you're playing with your hair, are you nervous?
Speaker 1:No, this is just funny to hear you To see how I was processing it.
Speaker 2:Can you try holding the mic closer?
Speaker 1:How's that Better? Yeah, I knew there was something that Morgan wanted to say. I will give more context to this. This is this job, and by this job I mean all of this writing, tv writing, books, making podcasts, making things that are like each one is its own, individual, encapsulated world, world.
Speaker 1:Um, think of these as like little spaceships, each one of them and at different times. There are different people who come onto a spaceship, do maintenance, drive it, give it directions, you know, clean the inside of it, design different parts of it whatever, co-pilot it, pilot it whatever. And then people leave and sometimes, like the spaceship lands, sometimes like it keeps going, but with a different crew, whatever. As an example, like I was a part of the Rapshit spaceship for one season of its life and then the ship, the spaceship, landed and asked me to please kindly step off, and then it took back into flight as a spaceship with a slightly different crew, whatever. So for this particular spaceship, like I think, for its life to continue like we will probably need to tinker with the crew and with the pieces and etc. Etc. Etc. And we gotta take a breath for it. But anyway, when Morgan told me there was something that she what Morgan asked me can we catch up? I just had this feeling that what would follow would could be Morgan saying like hey, I need to take a break here, um, with this. I also just to tell you guys, like emotionally, um, I am processing the feeling of, frankly, just like losing people. Um, I just did a whole damn project on losing somebody from my high school life. I was recently in a relationship that I am no longer in. Somebody just quit on me two seconds ago on a different project entirely. I am coming to grips with the very cliche adage that, like you know, people in your life are seasons. They come into your life, they leave it, they leave your life, or sometimes they come in and they stay for a long time or forever.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all that said, I was like I went for a walk and I took Penny and I called a friend of mine who advises me on a lot that I do. He's, I would call him like my executive coach, basically in, among other things, and I called him literally. I called him and I was like Morgan wants to have a conversation this afternoon. I think it could be about her either wanting to step off of the ship or find another place to be on the ship. And what I said to him was like I'm going to ask Morgan what she wants, because that's most important, because I feel like Morgan, as most people are, like they do, she does her best work with what is exciting and what's inspiring to her. But then I was like but I also got to figure out what I want and it was opaque to me, it was unclear to me, what do I want? So we talked it out, we laid out all the pieces of like what I have going on right now, have going on right now book is coming out. I have tv pitches that are constantly going, you know, into the conveyor belt to go through my agents and go out to the networks to see if we can get bites.
Speaker 1:I now this is like I guess I mean I have an influencer. Does that make me an influencer, morgan? Morgan nods her head. Yes, she nods it, so, so, swiftly and easily. She nods her head yes, thank you for our Gen Z representative to not feel gross about calling me an influencer.
Speaker 1:There's, there's. You know, I'm trying to do more public speaking. I'm trying to like also sort of mentor and coach other people into this industry. I'm making advertisements. There's a lot. There's just a lot of shit that's going on around here and I want to lay it all out with this person who I was talking to, so that I could think to myself, okay, well, like, unless Morgan is just saying she's ready to step away altogether, like maybe there is something else here that Morgan would feel excited about. And it took the laying out of all of that, for what came to mind to me, like actually toward the end of the conversation, was, like you know, what I have been doing, the like process of pitching and writing up pitches and taking them out and taking them to my agents. I've been doing that basically alone for like seven or eight years, taking them to my agents. I've been doing that basically alone for like seven or eight years, and I don't really love doing it alone.
Speaker 1:And Morgan, as her stated goal, wants to be a showrunner and wants to make TV and she has fantastic design skills and creative skills and I think she's like a really talented you know business person. I guess like she's someone who knows how to talk to people and make people feel comfortable, whatever. Blah, blah, blah. So call morgan when I get back in the house and I'm like hey, morgan, um, okay, like know, let's talk about the show, but first can we talk about just like everything. Can we just take a look at the design of everything that's here and what's going on here and then just like make sure that we are doing what we want to be doing and what makes sense here? And what followed was I have to truncate this because it was like an hour-long conversation but I thought we had a very easy and very like positive, healthy, easy conversation. That was just like Morgan is going to slowly Well, not even that slowly Morgan is going to thoughtfully step away from this particular role and basically like lead up, you know, development. I guess that's what the role is. I guess that's what the thing is like development and some other things like Morgan does.
Speaker 1:Morgan helps me with a lot. She partners with me a lot. Morgan helps me with a lot. She partners with me a lot. Morgan also is like a captain. She's like a team leader type of person. She's like a you know she can rally the troops and so she's going to be doing some other stuff like that with me.
Speaker 1:I am going to be transitioning this brand probably into something else. There's some stuff that I want to do on Tik TOK to grow my following there. There's some other stuff I want to do on Instagram. That's going to be like rollout for my book, and so I think we'll probably be transitioning the brand there and then eventually, when we have someone else to step back into the role of like really head down producing this show, um, we will, will. We will pick it back up for a season two, which maybe won't be 100 episodes long, but maybe like 50 or 35 or something like that. So, uh, morgan, this is the part that I wanted to check in on. What were your, I would like to know what was inside your head leading up to the conversation that we had yesterday, and what sort of emotional processing have you been doing recently in preparation of that conversation, for that conversation?
Speaker 2:um, I would say I had been like thinking about that conversation for like months, but I didn't know how to. I don't know. I like I was feeling uneasy about it, um, just because I didn't know how you were gonna react, or like more. So just what would happen, like with the show, like I didn't. What I didn't want is for it not to happen because I wasn't involved. That's a shitty feeling. So I was like thinking about that and then, I don't know, like a couple of weeks ago, it just kind of all like aligned.
Speaker 2:I feel like in this type of work, where you're constantly saying yes and no to things, you have to be pretty aligned within yourself. And I stopped being like anxious about it. Well, I was anxious about talking to you about it. I really just like wanted to get because, once I knew it felt like I was keeping something from you and I was like I just need to say it um. But but aside from that, the actual like like saying that I, you know, wanted to move out of this role, um felt a lot. I felt good about it, like I felt very like at peace about it because it just felt like the right thing um to do and like so. So, yeah, I think that that's's like, but it took me a while to like marinate on it and kind of pros and cons it out, um, but yeah what did you think would be the worst case scenario for how the conversation would proceed?
Speaker 2:um, I think the worst case scenario I don't even know, I mean, I guess, like, I guess the worst case scenario for me would have been you saying like okay, we're gonna try to like find somebody and like and still do this, and then that taking forever, and then we never actually migrating out. I think that would have been the worst case scenario, because then that would have, like I don't know, just taken a turn and then like probably wouldn't have been good and yeah. So I think that. But I don't think I never imagined you like screaming at me or being like. That never crossed my mind.
Speaker 1:But yeah, okay, good, yeah, that was never gonna happen. Like I think life is funny in that. Well, it's just. Sometimes I feel like everybody has like a sense of we're like fish, like we're like a school of fish, like everyone has an intuition of where the school is at and where the school is going and where it's moving. And sometimes those things get blocked, sometimes that intuition gets blocked, and it can be blocked for a lot of reasons. It can be blocked because of denial you just don't want something to be so, so you refuse to see it. It can be blocked because of avoidance, where you know it's so, but you just try to steer the car in another direction, even though you're no, you're going uphill.
Speaker 1:Um fear and I don't know. Self-consciousness, like, um, insecurity, like whatever. I think, uh, and then I'm gonna stop talking about this, but I just I am this person. If I go to a party, I must call my friends the next day and be like, let's talk about the party. Like I must, if something happens. I must, the next day, talk to my friends and say like wasn't that thing so crazy? Like did you hear the person say this? What do you think about this? What do you think about this and on all of this, you know the people who I admire, like the people that I really look up to, even the people who I don't think are good people but who I look up to from like a professional sense, like I'm not even going to say their names, because some of them I just don't want to promote what they do, because some of them I just don't want to promote what they do. But what I like about them is, as people put it, like they play the long-term game with their people, like you play the long-term game with your people, you play the long-term game with your projects. I am starting to feel less and less of, I would say. Up until literally now, I felt such an intense urgency to get everything done and get everything out at one time, and now that I'm old, now that I've turned 36, I'm like, well, anything I didn't get done already I'm not getting done by the time I turned 35. So now maybe I can take a breath and like, look at the long term vision here. And I don't know. I just think there's way more cool shit that we have to do.
Speaker 1:And for those who love this show and this is really the important part here, not me and Morgan's feelings. The important part here is, like, in a short amount of time you know a year sounds like a long time, but it's really a short amount of time in the lifespan of media we have amassed, like we have brought together a community of people who really have shown up for this show, who really listen to this show. Some people listen to this show multiple times when it comes out. There are people who download this show every single time it comes out, who listen to it immediately, who give us their weekend hours, who give us hours with their family, who listen to it with their partner. Like that is that is what I love about this job. That is what I want to spend my life doing is bringing together communities like this to have real conversation and also to like just have a good time with each other. Like we like get a break from the like the seriousness of everything you know and the the, the proposed urgency of everything, and I mean I don't like just to shout out a few like TJ and Ashil came to New York to be in the studio with us when we were, like, really just beginning.
Speaker 1:Obviously, josh has been here for every step of the way. My sister, shannon, has been both a guest on the show and also probably our most avid listener, listening to every single episode of this thing. Um justin lovett, uh and leon listened to, as far as I know, pretty much every single episode of this thing. My god brother, jonathan cooper, has been has been a big supporter of the show. Charday, who came in, who was in studio with us and who also listens to the show regularly. Um brian shields, who was a guest on the show for like the first 30 episodes. He was like a caller for everything. Um melissa ingram, who obviously like brought us into um, what was that shit called? You know? Who brought us into amp and quincy, who listens to the show and also who connected me to melissa to help us get this thing going and on the rails. Luigi, who has been cutting all the content and like really helping us have an aesthetic on our digital presence.
Speaker 1:Charlotte, who's been in, who I was gonna say, david Atkinson is like David Atkinson who's all who always shows up and who showed up for us at the live show. All 50 people who bought all 50 tickets for the live show, including my parents, um shanklin hall, which gave us a venue for the live show. Uh, fucking tia, who dj'd for both the launch party and the live show. Everybody that showed up for the launch party, jeff Lee, jeff Lee, who I've known almost my entire life, who I went to church with, high school, with Cub Scouts, all that basketball teams, and these are just the people I know. I guess I also want to say you know, we see the numbers. There's obviously people out there who oh damn, we're forgetting someone else Kendra Yesra yes, definitely kendra, who showed up for us. Jasmine ellis cooper, who showed up, who started off as a fan of the show, came to the launch party, then came on, then came as a guest, then we went to our fucking baby shower. Um, but no, I'm forgetting um hillary hillary as well, who used to be at every amp show. He was a caller all the time. I mean literally, like, as I'm saying it out loud, I'm recognizing these are like they're. This show has touched thousands of people, um, I would say even at a high touch way, like at least a hundred people have been around it, like callers show up, people who shut up for live shows, people, people who came in studio, thank you. Like this has been, I would say this show has shown me and proven to me I always hoped that I would be able to build something that was meaningful and that touched people and that actually had legs, like that actually could grow without a studio, an agent, an executive, a financier, like something that was truly ours and that truly nobody else could tell us what it needed to be or how it needed to be. And we have now built the foundation of that here with the show over the course of 100 episodes.
Speaker 1:And so, last thing I want to say this just became a speech. It's what a weird episode um is. Just thank you to all of y'all who have shown up over and over and over and over and over again for the show, because you guys have given me the thing that is most valuable to all of us as creatives, which is confidence that, like we oh wow, we can do this. So now Tuesday will be episode 100. No idea what we're going to talk about on Tuesday. Then we will close the book on season one and we will be back to you with season two some point in the near to mid future. I mean, I'm thinking I'll probably want to relaunch around the time that my book comes out, which is in February, and start the conversation around what's in that book, because I think it's going to be very spicy and I think it's going to have some interesting conversations. The book, by the way, is called how to Sell Out, and we can go to break for a quick second and then come back and we're going to talk about something that's happening Someone who I think is an interesting character study for the concept of how to sell out. So thanks y'all, love y'all. We'll be back in two seconds.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I'm saying that there's no one here live. This is a podcast recording, but keep it in because it's funny. All y'all you guys know where to find me. I'm at Chad Sand on Instagram. We're going to be reaching out to you guys with a couple other things via email. We're not going anywhere, but just because we're not going to talk to you guys every Tuesday and Thursday, as we have for the last year, for a few months or however long, I just want to say thank you. So thank you. Now we're going to go away Not really, but we're going to talk about Emmanuel Acho in a second, because that's the point of the show.
Speaker 1:So I was living my life. You know what? I forgot to add one other thing, which is it doesn't have to be this way. So I don't want to be discouraging to anybody who wants to do this job, but this is a very quick backtrack. It's expensive, it can be expensive. So you know, this is why TV series, this is why radio shows, this is why productions have breaks. It's because, like, you pour resources into them and you need a break.
Speaker 1:So, all right, let's talk about Emmanuel Acho, and we're going to talk about Raven Simone, as she has told us to call her, who was once a guest on Quitters. So, mr Emmanuel Acho, I got to pull it up. Emmanuel Acho, who we have talked about before on this show. Emmanuel Acho says of Angel Reese. Angel Reese, as you guys know, star player for the LSU Tigers, ncaa champion last year, just declared for the WNBA draft, hails from Baltimore, maryland, my home state, emmanuel Acho, who we have talked about on this show. So I'm not going to recount who Emmanuel Acho is, you guys know who he is. He says on his show sorry, I have to see. What is this show called? It's called Speak. This is so ugly.
Speaker 1:Anyway, he says, and I quote this is a tweet by Mr Emmanuel Ochoa, and then I'll get into what he said on the show. He says he tweets this this is like a crazy way to start a tweet. It says black women have historically been the most marginalized group in America. Right, pretty normal way to start a tweet, pretty straightforward. The next word is what makes this such a ridiculous way to start A sentence, a tweet, anything? Then he says but and already, before any other words are said or typed like, you're already going down the wrong anytime. You say someone, some party is the most marginalized group in some geographical body, and then you follow that up with but you're already going down a bad road.
Speaker 1:It says but I'm going to give a gender neutral and racially indifferent take on Angel Reese. So I'm not even going to get to the take yet. I just writing is important, and so I just want to talk about the phrasing and the framing of what this person has to say. I'm going to read it one more time Black women have historically been the most marginalized group in America. But I'm going to give a gender neutral and racially indifferent take on Angel Reese. Um, why? That's that's my first question Like why, why do we need a gender neutral that first? That also is a ridiculous way to suppose what it is that he's about to say. But why do we need what? What is racially indifferent? Even mean no-transcript. There is no way to be racially indifferent when you're talking about a team that is led by a bunch of black women. Why would you want to? What is valuable about such a thing Like that has no value. There's, no, there is no such thing as a racially indifferent world. And so what is the value of a racially indifferent take? There's no such current. There's no such current status of such a world, anyway. And then he has a take. It's like a minute and a half long. I can paraphrase it for y'all, but I'll just pull a quote here, which is a quote he pulled for himself.
Speaker 1:This man quoted his own take in his tweet. He says in sports you can't act like the big, bad wolf, then cry like Courage the cowardly dog. And the way this tweet made it to me was justin sent it to me. Taylor rooks wrote um man, do I hate when people do this on twitter. Taylor rooks wrote like a really long tweet of response to it and the whole value initially of twitter was that like this was truncated messaging, these were like short form messages and so I get that. Like that's where Taylor Rooks is platformed, that's where the breadth of her following is outside of TV, so she wants to get that message across there. But like it was just long. But I read it and in so many words I think she said what I also feel, which is why you can't give a racially indifferent take on something that has such race involvement.
Speaker 1:When Angel Reese talks about and cries at the podium, talking about the vitriol that she experiences as a black woman star basketball player who is herself because I don't even like when people use the terms unapologetically or like bold or searing that or hissing is one of the ones that people use because, like, if Angel Reese didn't look how she looked, I don't think she would be taken to be so bold or I don't think she would be like her mannerisms on a basketball court, very similar to Caitlin Clark's mannerisms on a basketball court. Okay, but my point is, when she gets up there and she cries and she tells us y'all don't know how much pain, how much tension, how much of a burden I have been holding up for the last couple years because of the success that I'm having as a black woman who's the star of a great black basketball team. When she says that, I think my own personal reaction to that watching her cry, someone who I think to be really tough, someone who I, literally, while watching her as someone who plays basketball, I'm like and like plays for fun, like so many people do I'm like, damn, I wouldn't want to guard that person. Like she's big, she's tough, she's really skilled, she plays hard, she plays physically, like she looks like a tough check. When I think I think of her as someone who is, as a definitional trait, I look at her as like she's tough. She just twisted her ankle and got right back on the court. A lot of people aren't built like that. When I see her crying at the podium, I know that cry is a little bit about. Okay, we just lost, and this is me relieving the feelings that I have been sitting with for however long as we have tried to repeat as champions this year. But what I also see there is like and what I, I kid you, not like.
Speaker 1:Every time I see the LSU Tigers women's basketball team, I think to myself man, I cannot imagine what their mentions look like on Twitter and I don't want to see like. I think we've seen it bubble up all the way to mainstream media, where, you know, the Los Angeles writer for the LA Times calls them dirty debutantes Like we've seen it bubble up into, like publications. But I wouldn't even want to know what kind of mentions both real human beings and bots are delivering to Angel Reese on a daily basis. And if she is a human, as she is, she cannot. She can only try to do her job every day without letting those things affect her. But of course the critical mass of them does, and so I don't think that in fact, I love an emotional response from an athlete in at a podium like.
Speaker 1:I don't think that has anything any connection to or any. I don't think that has anything to do with how she behaves on a basketball court. For example, ron Artest, one of the toughest, most feared, most domineering basketball players of all time, also known to be emotional, also known to have emotional health issues that he's dealing with, is any less sort of aligned as a tough guy or any more inappropriate for talking shit on a basketball court or being physical or pushing guys around, because he's also the guy who will tell you I was sad, I was scared, I was broken, and so I don't think Angel Reese needs to live up to those particular standards either. But fuck all of that. Who cares about any of that? That's semantics. Here's what's really here.
Speaker 1:Um, after george floyd, there's a window that opened black voices because companies were under pressure, media entities, studios, networks were under pressure. Frankly, from each other I mean like more palatably than from us to give green lights, give funding, give budgets, give space for black people to specifically to air their grievances with race and white people, full stop. I was among many who jumped into that void with both feet, saw the opportunity, didn't expressed my feelings and took a career out of it. Honestly, emmanuel Acho similarly jumped into that void, but did so with the strategy as far as I can tell of and I've talked about this before, so I won't stretch it out I am going to be the black voice that is going to be the most placating to white people, so that I can have longevity here. And it's worked. Here he is. Here he is back again doing the manual ocho dance Telling us you know, black women are the most historically marginalized group in the country. But dot, but, dot, dot, dot.
Speaker 1:And I think we are now stepping into a particularly scary and distorted place as it regards black voices that have been able to hold on to their grip of opportunity in these last four years, that have been able to hold on to their grip of opportunity in these last four years, which is that the ones that have really been able to seize the moment many of them, not all are the ones that are most willing to bend now that the mandate has changed. The mandate at the beginning was come in here and talk about your pain. The mandate at the beginning was come in here and talk about your pain. Come in here and talk about how fucked up white people are, come in here and talk about how fucked up America is, how bad racial standing is in America, etc. That was the mandate for a second and for those that jumped in, the ones who are willing to now do this like, the mandate is different now. The mandate is we don't want to hear about that black shit, no more. The mandate is if you want to talk about that kind of shit, well, we need a new spin on it, because we're all exhausted with having to hear area grievances. We're all exhausted having to hear about how sad and how painful and how miserable the experience is. Here Now we want something different and people like this who will twist themselves up to get a click, as he is literally told us he is willing to do there's a good possibility that those might be the ones with the biggest platforms going forward, be the ones with the biggest platforms going forward, and so I personally am right now. I just told somebody like this.
Speaker 1:Last night I caught up with an old friend. She was the person who recruited me to Google when I was in college. She is now the vice, I want to say the vice president of culture at a big tech company, I won't say which. We caught up last night and I told her it's so crazy. I feel so much lighter and so much more free right now, where I don't feel compelled to talk and write about race than I did four years ago, when people were throwing a gazillion opportunities at me to do exactly that. Like in the moment.
Speaker 1:Where said differently, because I didn't make the point In the moment where it was like, hey, black people, we're listening to you. Now we want to hear what you have to say. What I felt was the incredible burden of having to be a voice to white people. And today, now that that is passe, now that nobody gives a shit anymore, it's real man, the door has been slammed. We can like continue to float off and like, watch people You're going to watch. You're going to watch people who think they made a career being a black voice and now that's the thing to continue to do. You're gonna watch them try to pivot or you're gonna watch them try to stretch that thing into more things, and it's just not like. It just doesn't have the same level of opportunity. But this guy, he'll do anything. He'll fucking sell angel resale. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's do one more segment and then let's get out of here. Okay, morgan sent me a what do we call these? A link? Morgan sent me a link. It is a link to Tyler, the creator on De La Soul's AOI podcast. Tyler says I'm always ahead of even myself, so the AI will never catch up to me creatively. That is a. There's a couple things in that.
Speaker 1:I have bit my tongue, so as not to say this conversation about artificial intelligence has reached a pitch where I don't think there are very many anymore who are denying the relevance or even like the magnitude of AI as a wave, of AI as a wave. I do think there are some who are reluctant to participate for different reasons and I think there are some who are excited to participate for different reasons and, honestly, most of those people are people who, I think, do not value creative human beings or like art altogether. If I'm being honest and then like in the middle, somewhere there's a big middle and I'm somewhere further to the right hand of that or further to the latter end of that spectrum, which is like I do care about art. I am a creative person, quite literally myself, and I want to know how to use this stuff. We've talked about it.
Speaker 1:I think all artists have on some level I wouldn't even call it a hubris, because that now is a word that belongs to Amanda Seals there is a confidence that borders on arrogance that I think all working artists who actually push their creative out into the world have to have, which is to say and to feel my particular point of view and my voice is distinct and it's unique and it is mine and nothing else. Nothing else man-made, nothing else computer generated can replace what I see and what I can do, what I see and what I can do, and I haven't like. Tyler the creator is the person to say something like this, because that is like it seems like who he is and how he represents himself is. He is boldly, arrogantly confident about what he can do and he's great. Tyler's last album Love it Still. Listen to it.
Speaker 1:But I think, even if you don't have like the braggadocious tone of Tyler the creator, um, you you must feel that way about yourself as an artist to do the job. Like I was just thinking literally yesterday while cooking my dinner. I was thinking I'm gonna tell you honestly what I was thinking. I know how I want to feel. I know how I want things to feel when people say you're a picky eater, you're this like, you're picky about this, you're picky about that, you're picky about this. And in my head and I don't say this because, like, I am one person and they're societal, but it's like in my head my entire life I have always, my whole life, always known what kind of girls I like. I've always known what kind of ladies I like. Okay, morgan, it's okay, it's going to be okay. I promise, don't get nervous To the point where my friends know, they know I have such a strong point of view on what people I think are beautiful that they, even when they don't like look similar, they can know if we're in some place.
Speaker 1:They're like chad likes that one. They know that and they've teased me for it. Like people have always, like people have lots of jokes about it. It's whatever, whatever. It's whatever. It's whatever.
Speaker 1:In my head, though and I don't say it out loud, and I'm glad Tyler is saying some shit like this, like this but I feel this way about writing, I feel this way about music, I feel this way about food, I feel this way about athletes. Like, in my head, I'm like how come nobody else but me knows what beauty looks like? I think that's what an artist feels. How come and I don't mean nobody else, but I'm like, how come all these other people don't know what to see Like? How come they all see this wrong? How come I see it like this and they all see it wrong? And you can't live your life like that, like you have to like adjust to be like like I'm going to be open to other people's perspectives, I'm going to whatever, whatever. But it's why it is so critical when we're doing the job that, like, all that goes out the window when we do the job, all of it is like all of it has to come down to like does this feel right or not? Does this feel right or not?
Speaker 1:And I do agree with Tyler in in. If this is what he is saying, I know he's saying it for himself, but I think it can apply to other artists. Like, I don't think a computer, I don't think there is a generative software that is going to be able to know close enough to how I know what is right and what is wrong. I must do this because we only have one episode left and I really must say it Like I know I'm right about LeBron. Like, if you see it differently than me, you're wrong. And this is the other thing that I think is important about being an artist too, and about being like someone with a strong and distinct point of view is, I think people, let's use Tyler now, not me.
Speaker 1:We look to Tyler to tell us what he sees. We look to Tyler to be like oh, I see this and he puts it together and it works and it hits and it resonates, because he saw something that you didn't see and he put it together there. I know my friends know I'm right about LeBron. I know that, like I know, because they look at me and they're like I know Chad knows a lot of stuff about this stuff. He has a good point of view, his takes often bear out, but there's a level of denial that they just don't want to accept.
Speaker 1:Then we talked about this earlier. Like they want to avoid that I'm right about this thing, because they don't want to see me be satisfied with how right I am about this thing. And I think the same is the case for, like artists, all the time, people love to watch creative people and bold people and athletes and whoever love to see them get something wrong, because it's so weird that they keep getting the thing like that the thing keeps working for them or that it ever works for them when they try some crazy shit. So back to Tyler, as it regards these robots. I think that is a healthy perspective to have on the robots, that they will never be able to be more, I guess, forward thinking than him. But the hesitation I have to his statement is like they're not trying to be forward thinking, they're just trying to know exactly what we want now and give that to us. That's what the big companies do. Like Amazon doesn't tell you what you're going to want. Like it tells you what you want today, tells you what you want to click right this second. So we see artists fall and fumble all the time because they try to give people something that they're not ready for and then, when it's time and when people actually are ready for it, somebody else seizes that moment're not ready for. And then, when it's time and when people actually are ready for it, somebody else seizes that moment and they miss it. So that's the one like sort of tempering I would put on Tyler's point of view there, but I like the sentiment.
Speaker 1:All right enough, it's been an hour. We're out of here. This is nothing but anarchy. We have one more episode this season, episode 100, on Tuesday. We would love to have you guys here with us for that episode. Maybe we'll figure out if we're going to do that one live, just so we can have all of our usual suspects call in. I'm at Chad Sand on Instagram. Go like and subscribe to us on the YouTubes. I think that's it. Well, here's one more thing that I'll plug. I just added three more live one-on-one coaching sessions for next week Tuesday, thursday, friday. If you want that, go sign up at the top link in my bio. It'll send you to my stand store, that's it. Okay, this is Nothing but Anarchy. Goodbye, thank you. Outro Music.
