Episode 14: Tapping your Innate Creativity to find Fulfilment & Purpose with Tineke Tammes

Have you ever wished you could be more creative?

Are you feeling disconnected from your purpose and a sense of fulfilment in life or work?

The answer might be far simpler than you think and you’ll find it in this podcast episode.

In this episode, my guest Tineke Tammes, a career and creativity coach, and I chat about what it means to be creative (it’s not just painting and drawing) and how to access your own innate creative talents even if you consider yourself to be a left brained person.

Episode highlights:

• A real world definition of creativity
• How to use your creative brain for problem solving as well as arty endeavours
• The impact creativity has on your wellbeing and mental health
• The value of choosing meaning and doing things that matter to you
• Stopping yourself from drifting through life and taking back control
• Reconnecting with your body to access your creative brain
• The misty, murky process of tapping and working with your creativity
• How feelings of fear block creativity
• Making a habit of nurturing your creativity to allow it to bloom
• Marrying creativity and action to bring your ideas into reality
• Identifying your ‘Everybody’
• Tineke’s inspirational client success stories 
• Two activities you can do TODAY to start tuning into your creativity

This was a wonderful conversation about a topic I feel very passionately about and I hope it’s inspired you to make some space for your creativity to blossom.

Book a FREE saboteur call with Tineke here.

Visit Tineke’s website www.tineketammescoaching.com

Connect with Tineke on LinkedIn here.

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We'll uncover what's holding you back from the goals you want to achieve and you'll leave the call with actionable steps to get you moving in the right direction.

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Transcript

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Emma O'Brien: Hi folks welcome to episode 14 of season. 2 of the lemons and pineapples. Podcast today's topic of conversation is creativity and career change with my guest, Tinica Tams.

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Emma O'Brien: 1st a bit about Tinika. She is a career and creativity coach, and she helps professional women to create fulfilling work and happy careers with her career freedom coaching program. In her approach she focuses on unlocking your creative brain, on creating clarity around what you want, and on taking determined and confident steps

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Emma O'Brien: forward in making it a reality. She is a lifelong feminist, a part-time portrait artist, a never-only read one book at a time. Reader and obsessive, doodler and community host. Welcome to the podcast, Jenika.

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Tineke Tammes: Thank you. Thank you, Emma. Nice to be here.

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Emma O'Brien: I can certainly relate to reading multiple books at a time. So I have a really horrible book buying habit so

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Emma O'Brien: thankfully. Here, I'm in South Africa. There are quite a few secondhand bookshops. So and some of them are online. So I can feed the book addiction without breaking the bank, but yes, little bit obsessive about books as well. So it's good to be a good company.

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Tineke Tammes: The library is my favourite place.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. What book are you reading, or what books are you reading at the moment.

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Tineke Tammes: Oh, I have forcibly stopped myself reading 3 books at a time. For the moment

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Tineke Tammes: I'm reading a terribly boring book on marketing. At the moment after.

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Emma O'Brien: I.

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Tineke Tammes: About 3 others.

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Emma O'Brien: Good for you. Good for you. I see we've got. We've got a task, and then a reward when you complete it. Very good.

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Tineke Tammes: Yes, I I read literally everything to do with neuroscience, with psychology, with creativity. And yeah, yeah, that's that's my bag. Really. That's the that's the things I really really love reading about and also I'm fascinated by the connection between your body and your brain, and how all of that works together. So, yeah, that's why.

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Emma O'Brien: It's brilliant. I love it, I love it. We've got similar taste in nonfiction books, and then I like to mix it in with a Patricia Cornwell just before I go to sleep. You know she doesn't need a bit of mass murder to read about to get a peaceful night's sleep right. I digress before we've even started. So.

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Tineke Tammes: Yes.

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Emma O'Brien: As somebody who identifies as a creative. I've been a photographer for 20 years.

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Emma O'Brien: I 100% agree that thinking outside the box is essential to setting yourself up for a fulfilling life and a career. I I can't really imagine any other way of doing it, so I'm excited to have this conversation with you cause I get the sense that you're working with a lot of women who are not necessarily in a creative space and who need to really activate

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Emma O'Brien: their creative brain. Whereas we have a creative over here who has to activate that left brain a bit more often. So how would you define creativity.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah. So I mean, if you look at the definition, it is something like, you know, using your imagination or ideas to bring something new into the world.

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Tineke Tammes: I spoke to a number of my customers about this, and I said, What does creativity mean to you? And it's much wider than that it is when you say creativity, a lot of people say, Oh, no, but I'm not creative, and what they mean is, they don't pick up a paintbrush on a regular basis.

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Tineke Tammes: And and that is one aspect of it absolutely. So arts and craft, and and and beauty and excellence is one part of it. The other part is also about

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Tineke Tammes: problem solving and and ideas and being innovative. But there is also a real well being and mental health, aspect to creativity as well. And finally.

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Tineke Tammes: I think creativity is also about choosing to matter.

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Tineke Tammes: choosing to be to, to, to.

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Tineke Tammes: and

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Tineke Tammes: choosing to matter, choosing, meaning choosing to say this. What I do is important. It might not be to everyone else, but it is

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Tineke Tammes: to me.

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Tineke Tammes: So that is what what my clients have been telling me that it is all of that.

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Tineke Tammes: Yes, there's a business element to it, and there is a creative element. But it's all of that.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah, a a big, a big part of that that I hear in there is is doing work and living on purpose, with meaning, with fulfillment, and that is a feeling that we have, and and you only.

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Emma O'Brien: You only know when you're doing that, when you feel that you're doing that, I think. And I think that's you know you talked talking about the reading about the

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Emma O'Brien: brain body connection. I think a lot of people are numb from the neck downwards has been my experience a lot of what I do. I mean, I'm a i'm a life coach is helping people really get back into their bodies and how they feel and what they want, cause a a lot of a lot of people, a lot of the women that I coach have.

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Emma O'Brien: for whatever reason, shut off from what they want, and and I can ask them, and they don't actually know.

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Emma O'Brien: And and.

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Tineke Tammes: And that's exactly exactly right. I mean you. You talked about you being a creative the women that I work with have sort of drifted into a career 1520, 25 years doing stuff that you have to do in corporate roles

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Tineke Tammes: and at home they're running after their kids, or, you know, have to do the things they've got to do. Some people say to me just like you just said, you know, some people say to me. I don't even know what I like doing anymore. Or one client said.

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Tineke Tammes: you have made me feel again.

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Tineke Tammes: And and that's you know they lose that

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Tineke Tammes: they lose that complete connection between to your body and your brain, a connection between your left and your right brain. If you want to say it like that? And therefore lose that that creativity. And what what I found with my own career change. Her name was, you know, you spend so much time implementing other people's ideas

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Tineke Tammes: that you forget what yours are.

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Tineke Tammes: Yet.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah. And my next question for for you was going to be what gets in the way of creative

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Emma O'Brien: thinking. I think we've covered some of the things here, so I'd be interested for you to take this a bit deeper. You know, we've talked about being in a job where you're doing other people's stuff.

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Tineke Tammes: Hmm.

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Emma O'Brien: Being in a life that you and I think this happens so gradually. You don't notice that you slip very slowly down the slope into routine and settling, and it's only when you kind of hit the bottom and

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Emma O'Brien: you sit and go. How the hell

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Emma O'Brien: did I arrive in this life that I don't like.

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Emma O'Brien: I don't think I took an active part in deciding this, and it's happened to me because I've not been

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Emma O'Brien: getting in touch with what's what's happening around me. I've not been actively making choices. I've not been listening to myself. So that sounds like it's a big part. We have a crossover there which I love, and what we do. So

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Emma O'Brien: to get people thinking more creatively, what what do they have to

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Emma O'Brien: get past? What's the block in front of that.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah. So so I think

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Tineke Tammes: I mean, our over reliance on our logical brain.

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Tineke Tammes: as you say, comes gradually, is is sometimes valued higher. You know, you can think your way to any solution. So that's what we do. We? We can strategize with the best, with the best of them. And we can plot our way from A to Z. You know no problems whatsoever.

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Tineke Tammes: And the you have started to rely on that logical brain so much because it helps you. It is a coping mechanism, and it is being rewarded as well. So so no wonder you're relying on it. And you don't trust

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Tineke Tammes: your creative brain anymore. I mean for start, it is a really murky process, isn't it? I mean, your ideas only come up when you're in the shower, or when you're going for a walk, or doing something where you preferably don't have a piece of paper to hand, and that is what happened. It's a misty, murky process.

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Tineke Tammes: And you can't command it.

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Tineke Tammes: Which which means that that people stop trusting it.

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Tineke Tammes: You know they stop trusting it. They stop trusting that they are creative. And

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Tineke Tammes: that means, you know. You are starting then, to rely on your logical brain only, and you start becoming fearful you. You start fearing failure, fearing success sometimes. Fearing that you look ridiculous. Th, there is things like you know. Sometimes you don't

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Tineke Tammes: understands the problem you're trying to solve. Because the problem is this big, it's you know your, it's your life. It's not just. Oh, I'm in the wrong job. And even that is is, you can still pull apart.

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Tineke Tammes: So you don't understand which problem you're actually trying to solve. You don't. Sometimes you don't have the information because you've lived in a box, your world has become smaller and smaller and smaller, which means that you only see what you can see.

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Tineke Tammes: and that then means that you don't have any ideas and you don't have the access anymore to your creative brain because you haven't been trusted.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah. Yeah. And I think from from my own experience.

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Emma O'Brien: the more you try to be creative, the more it almost runs away and hides and creativity needs

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Emma O'Brien: space for it to come out. So like you've said, ideas tend to come in the shower, which is incredibly frustrating. So I often keep a pen and paper somewhere close by when I'm getting ready in the morning, because if I've

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Emma O'Brien: provided I've made the time to meditate, which I try to do, especially if I'm kind of mulling something over. Chances are maybe I get in the shower. I'll be like, ding is a really great idea. Thanks. But that's the thing. It pops up when it's given room, and it needs to be nurtured. Almost. I think I I the way I'm and I'm very visual with how I see things is. It's almost like a small child that needs to be

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Emma O'Brien: looked after. It's a small, sensitive child. You can't yell at it.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah.

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Emma O'Brien: You can't chase it, cause it'll just go and hide under a table, and that is very frustrating. And what I hear from what you've said, as well as a lot of the people you're coaching have reached the space where they're very overwhelmed

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Emma O'Brien: and overwhelm is like the biggest creativity killer. That is so. I'm interested to hear more about how you work with your clients to help them get from this space where they can't access

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Emma O'Brien: their creativity to really getting back in touch with it again.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah. So so I mean, at the beginning of of us, starting to talk, you talked about my career freedom program, which is sort of the the program that I support people with women with and

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Tineke Tammes: creativity is really a golden thread throughout, you know, because I almost look at it as an unthawing, you know where people really start to get in touch with what, who they are, what they like and what they want, and so I help them throughout the program with, you know.

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Tineke Tammes: getting curious. Making a for the one of my clients called it a love list. A long list of all the things that you love doing, and then go and actually do these things. You know, these are things that help you

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Tineke Tammes: unfreeze, and to to really go and find out who you are and what you want.

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Tineke Tammes: But what I have found as well is.

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Tineke Tammes: There is more going on

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Tineke Tammes: in the beginning. So what what I mean by that is sometimes women say have real trouble accessing that part of their brain, which is why I have. I put quite a lot of emphasis on that 1st

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Tineke Tammes: part on that on that recovering from of your creative brain. Once a year I run at the artist way group which is what you are, I think. relating to when you talk about the artist child, the other thing I'm doing is I am offering

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Tineke Tammes: The positive intelligence program is what I'm running. I run that I'm currently running a group with on that. And that is really aimed at

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Tineke Tammes: identifying these voices in your head, these these coping mechanisms that you over time have built up, and that are now screaming in your ear. And who who stop you from listening to that much quieter, creative brain sitting in the back? Because you I I really really believe that it is your creative brain you need to bring to the table.

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Tineke Tammes: which is often where my clients get stuck and you can only do that if you have quietened those voices and are bringing that that creative brain to the table. So those are some of my my core offerings that help women access

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Tineke Tammes: that creative brain and that then help you on the way to getting clear on what you want in your career. And also, then, you know that's where my left brain bit comes from. It comes in is, you know, make a plan to make it happen.

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Tineke Tammes: because nothing happens. If you don't take action in the end.

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Emma O'Brien: Yes, I think that's right. Then that's the thing with marrying the the creativity is it's great having lots of ideas.

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Emma O'Brien: but if you don't implement any of them.

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Emma O'Brien: They're useless to to you and and everybody. So a couple of things just want to touch on here. And the and the 1st thing is.

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Emma O'Brien: I think, as women, we've lost the ability to tap our intuition.

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Emma O'Brien: connect intuition with is it's almost a little bit of a mystical thing. Well, creativity is quite mystical, I mean, if we start to look at, where do ideas really come from? Who knows? There's the lovely story that Elizabeth Gilbert shares in her book Big Magic, where she talks about. She had an idea for writing a book. She started writing the book.

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Emma O'Brien: and then didn't really finish it, and then went to a an author's convention and spoke to someone who lived on the other side of the world who she's never spoken to. She's never published anything about this book. She's never shared it. And this woman tells her she's writing

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Emma O'Brien: the book Elizabeth Gilbert was writing, and her take on. This was, if you don't take an idea and bring it into reality by taking action on it, the idea will escape, and somebody else will. The idea will go find somebody who will bring it into reality for you. Which I thought was this really wonderful, wonderful story to share.

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Tineke Tammes: Oh!

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Emma O'Brien: But I think we

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Emma O'Brien: we haven't allowed ourselves to rely on that intuition. I have conversations with people who will, and and I've done it myself.

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Emma O'Brien: Who'll say

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Emma O'Brien: I knew in my heart or in my gut, that this was a wrong decision to make.

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Emma O'Brien: but I went ahead and did it

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Emma O'Brien: anyway. So there's a big piece of how do you start to actually trust yourself enough to know when something is a good idea, when something isn't a good idea. And, you know, to come back to the tools we talked about. It's a tool I share with clients of really helping them to get back into understanding and listening into the feeling of a yes, and the feeling of a no. So you can when you're thinking about doing something you can ask yourself.

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Emma O'Brien: and the which is just so powerful to get back in touch with that

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Emma O'Brien: and the other thing with you talking about these voices. And I think that's so important

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Emma O'Brien: going through the the Martha Beck

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Emma O'Brien: coaching program that I did. And if anyone's read her book, finding your your North Star, she talks about identifying your everybody. We all have one, the voice of everybody. So you you can ask a question of you know. Why can't you do that? Well, because everybody says I can't, and who is everybody?

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Tineke Tammes: Extra.

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Emma O'Brien: And it's unpacking who the hell this everybody is, and shutting them up.

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Tineke Tammes: Because.

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Emma O'Brien: Often the everybody is, and somebody from when you were 5. Who told you? You can't do something, and you're still letting little a little five-year-old part of you. Listen to the person who told them. No, and I think this is where self-development work is that you and I do. It's so powerful to start to uncover that, and for anybody listening. If you if you're relating and going oh, I've not thought of it like that before. Who the hell is the everybody

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Emma O'Brien: that you're listening to?

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Emma O'Brien: That's stopping you from taking the action

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Emma O'Brien: to do the thing that you want to do.

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Tineke Tammes: Absolutely, absolutely. And yeah, it's interesting, because I know Marta Beck's work myself. And it's such a powerful thing. Because when I went through my career change. There were 2 voices. One was my mom, and 2 was a colleague who, I heard say in the back of my head, oh, not another coach. He never said it.

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Tineke Tammes: but I thought that if I told him he would say that. So

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Tineke Tammes: you know, work that one out. But this is the the. This is the thing, isn't it? We have these voices, we have these fears, and and they translate in into us, not doing anything. Us just staying stuck instead of taking little steps forward. And to really.

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Tineke Tammes: yeah, shut it down, as you say.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah, absolutely shut it up. It's so curious. And thank you for sharing that, because I'm sure people will relate, because often it's voices. But nobody said anything to you. It's an assumption you've made that you think this someone's going to judge you. Whoever's in your everybody line up. They're judging you. Meanwhile, I wonder if perhaps you'd have said something to him? He might have said Tinika, that's brilliant. Well done! Can I support you with something?

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Emma O'Brien: But again. This is this is this is why we're all in jobs as coaches and and why, you know, I mean, you'm sure you're doing your own in a work. It's why the inner work never stops, because there's always these things to to keep going before I digress into an inner work track.

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Tineke Tammes: So.

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Emma O'Brien: For the creative bit is ping-ponging around. Could you share some examples of how you've worked with clients to help them really unlock their creative thinking, and it's been life-changing for them. I'd love to hear about the success stories of the work you've done.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah, so so one client I'll I'll call her Kelly for for for now she she came to me a. And she she had already retired, but was felt herself way too young to retire yet, and and she

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Tineke Tammes: you know, she

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Tineke Tammes: she found as we went through the program, and she was actually the one who came up with the word Love list. And she she started slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, doing things she loved doing because she didn't allow herself when she was still working. She didn't allow herself to do these things because it was duty first, st you know, like that.

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Tineke Tammes: And with our work. She started doing things she loved doing more and more. And what we found out as we went through the months was that not only was she? Was she creative? And not only did we peel away the layers of why she felt she had to be. She wasn't allowed to do all these things. We also found that she was what Barbara would call a scanner.

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Tineke Tammes: which is, you know, a multi-passionate someone who does all these things, and and she, you know she she was thriving. She made this whole sort of program of all the things she wanted to do every week

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Tineke Tammes: And another example was, I worked with a lady. Let's call her Linda. She was.

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Tineke Tammes: really get clear about what she wanted in her work. That became clear quite quickly, but she was worried about her work-life balance as well. But what was really, really rewarding was when we went through the program. We looked at her strengths and at her values and all of these things that you do. And and at 1 point her imagination came back to her and she said.

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Tineke Tammes: And she now has a very long term plan. Okay? She went back to this event. She got herself the job that she wanted, which was great, but she also has this thing on the side where she wants to, where she has a Ten-year Plan. I think it was where she wants to to build her design work up so that she can show the world, and that's

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Tineke Tammes: that has been quite a golden thread. I think of the people that I coach with. They all are these hidden creatives? I mean, I say, everyone is creative, but they they all want to do something creative, something for them that if they can't do that in their job, that they have this creative outlet outside of their job, or if they can merge the 2 well, even better. So yeah.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah. And and I love what you share there. I think it's it's this

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Emma O'Brien: solution, really. That's right. In front of all of us is start listening to what it is you want to be doing. It doesn't always have to morph into

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Emma O'Brien: a a career path, necessarily, but I think fulfillment and purpose comes from having things in life that light you up, things that bring you joy. And

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Emma O'Brien: you know, for a lot of people, I think, want to make an impact and want to do something of value. And it's not always possible to do that in your job necessarily. But you can start to have a look at. How could I do that outside of work? Could you go and volunteer? Could you go and teach? Could you go and help children learn to read somewhere

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Emma O'Brien: something that ticks that box that makes life meaningful for you, because I think that's the greatest source of unhappiness for people is not not having stuff, although that's what on the surface folks might think it is.

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Emma O'Brien: It's not having a real reason for getting up in the morning. It's not having not feeling like you have a purpose, and you know that is such an important thing. And what I also hear in there is that in the process of uncovering things that bring them joy, it's building confidence for people. They start to feel better about themselves, they start to feel happier, and there and then they're more likely to be able to step up for themselves, to to go for a different career, to change a career, to like you said

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Emma O'Brien: with your client building up something on the side that she's got a plan for.

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Emma O'Brien: which is, by the sounds of things, going to take her into a full time creative career in due course, and she's giving herself the time for that crossover. And I think that's the other thing is.

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Emma O'Brien: be gentle with yourself in this process. It isn't necessarily an overnight thing, and it's okay. If it takes you some time.

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Tineke Tammes: Yes, and you've got that time, I mean, you know I up until last year I had a grandmother. She was 100 years old.

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Tineke Tammes: and you know, if you think about that, you're only what halfway, not even that. You've got plenty of time. We sometimes think that life finishes when you turn 50. But that's not how it is, you know, if you're lucky enough to live through middle age and beyond. Then

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Tineke Tammes: it's all a gift. You can do these things. There is plenty of time to do the things, and there are things that you can do now.

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Tineke Tammes: And there are things you can do this month, and there are things you can do this year, and there are things that you can plan for the years beyond, and that is is is so

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Tineke Tammes: so fulfilling. And yes, it takes action, it it takes you taking action. And and I mean, when people come to me. They, they say, like, you know, flippantly. Oh, of course I'm also not very confident, and I say, don't worry about that, because I know that as we go through this

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Tineke Tammes: you know, we they are built into the process for you to go out there for you to go and talk to people for you to do stuff for you, to experience things

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Tineke Tammes: as you go through it. You will get more confidence automatically.

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Emma O'Brien: yeah. I think that's the thing is, confidence comes from taking action. But you have to be brave enough to take the action to get yourself started. So you've shared some amazing

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Emma O'Brien: insights today. This has been really wonderful. And I really like the idea of writing a love list of writing out things that you really enjoy doing, or you used to enjoy doing, but haven't done and would like to do again. Make a list, folks. That's a really good start. Could you share one more tool, Tinika? So for somebody listening who's thinking, this is great, I'd love to tap my creativity a bit more.

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Emma O'Brien: What's 1 other thing someone could do today to really start to unlock that.

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Tineke Tammes: you know. Go and lie on your stomach and and take a photograph of of a flower. Go, and and

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Tineke Tammes: to something that is completely different from what you otherwise will do. Do something creative. Do something with your hands.

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Tineke Tammes: and look at things a little bit creatively. That is what I would say, because I firmly believe that doing something creative will make you more creative.

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Tineke Tammes: And even if it feels silly, I mean, I once suggested to one of my clients to do a you know, a silly mom dance.

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Tineke Tammes: go and have a dance, do something completely ridiculous.

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Tineke Tammes: And you know, if if you do it with the curtains closed, if you have to. But the thing is just for joy.

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Tineke Tammes: You don't have to keep the drawings. It doesn't have to be the next Picasso. It doesn't, you know it? You don't have to keep it. No one needs to see just for you.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah, I think that's that's brilliant. And again, it gives you that 15 min of creative breathing room and

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Emma O'Brien: space for to allow the creativity to come in so such such wonderful advice. Thank you very much.

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Emma O'Brien: You're offering listeners a free call to help them uncover what's holding them back with their creativity. Just talk a little bit about that, and I know you're also launching something in September. So just just share a bit more about those 2 things for me.

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Tineke Tammes: Yeah, yeah. So what I am offering to people who are listening is a free what I call a saboteur call. So basically, these inner voices in your head sometimes, but it is so helpful to think of them as

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Tineke Tammes: not you but instead, as voices that yes have helped you get to where you are and well done to them.

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Tineke Tammes: will potentially hold you back to get to where you want to be. So. That's what we do in a Sabbatical. We get up close and personal with them. We identify what they are, and we see how they create havoc in your life, how they create havoc with your performance, how they interfere with your relationships, make you stressed and unhappy quite frankly.

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Tineke Tammes: So that's what I do in the in that call 45 min. You and me just talking about about that.

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Tineke Tammes: and really exposing those inner voices. And what is stopping you.

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Tineke Tammes: leads into? And I spoke about it briefly earlier is a fairly new offering. I'm currently working with an amazing group of women in what I call the Positive Intelligence Program, which is effectively a program that takes that saboteur

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Tineke Tammes: the quiet one in the back, in other words, and that is what I'm currently working on. And in September I will launch the next group. So if anyone is interested in that, I would absolutely welcome them on my side to a call, and then perhaps, we'll see you in the in the, in the group as well.

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Emma O'Brien: Amazing. I'm gonna pop the link to book the saboteur call. I'll put the link to all of your bits and bobs in the show notes as well. Just share with the listeners where we can connect with you on your website and on socials.

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Tineke Tammes: Yes. So if you Google, my name, Tina Thomas, you will find me. But to make it simple, it is Tina Thomas coaching.com

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Tineke Tammes: and you can also find me on Linkedin. I am occasionally on Facebook, but come and find me on Linkedin cause that's where I live.

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Emma O'Brien: Perfect. I'll pop your links in the in the bottom there. Then folks can go and connect up with you. Jenica. Thank you again. This has been a really really wonderful, lively conversation. I've really really enjoyed talking to you today.

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Tineke Tammes: Emma, thank you for inviting me.

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Emma O'Brien: Absolute pleasure. Thank you for joining us folks for this episode. I hope you've enjoyed it, and I will see you same time next week bye, for now.